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- WARNING: You cannot un-see the dodginess inside this Esinomed Infoview Medical Tablet Computer!
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Just imagine what the first one looked like...
+LazerLord10 it probably looks like the back of my desk. (not good)(horrible)
+LazerLord10 was probably a cardboard cutout. .:D
+LazerLord10 I almost spit the water out of my nose reading this comment. So thanks. LOL.
+LazerLord10 You can't because that one must have exploded on someone's face by now
+LazerLord10 This is probably is the first one they fitted into a case to show to as a working proof-of-concept.
I've watched this video maybe a dozen times since it was uploaded. The entertainment value here cannot be overstated.
This indeed have some entertainment value. Dave's comments about definitely laughable assembly are hilarious. I would completely understand if this device would be assembled by a student as DIY school project. But as commercial tech from German company - it is unbelievable.
this is gold ! someone sold a diy prototype as a product
I haven't even bought it and I want a refund
ffs
More people wanting a refund than people who bought it is probably why the company went bankrupt...
Lol
MrStickmanPro1 lmao
xD
I'm surprised they didn't paint it red to make it go faster.
+dorpth Needs some stickers too
+dorpth It needs crap loads of Vtec to go ANY faster.
+Alari645 You didn't get that reference, did you? > .>
Hannah Rien I did...
How exactly would painting it red make it go faster?
MacGyver soldered that board with a magnifying lens and some sunlight.
+Maddin1313 yep! haha nice one
.. using the lead from some discarded roof flashing and tin from an old tin can.
Yes, I know tin cans are mostly steel but can't we MacGyver your belief for a bit.
... while his right arm was in a plaster cast.
+mikedelhoo Both arms, definitely both arms!
+Maddin1313 Nope... even MacGyver has standards.
"Hi Tech Solutions"
I don't want to see the Low Tech version.
Works on flintstones ;)
its an abacus tied to one of those dippy birds you put on your desk
etch a sketch? lol
SpitfireMkIIFan safer than this
it's a fucking abacus
"We need 15 volts to power this"
"Alright, 10 rechargable AAs, that's about 15 volt isn't it? Put them in series, be sure to find some hobbled man with only one hand and half an eyeball to solder it."
+Nukle0n Well, it was probably as you say; But rechargables are nominally 1.2 volts, so 10 of them would make 12 volts. I wouldn't have trusted them to know that....
+Robert Backhaus That'd explain why they have more bunched in there in the side because the voltage was too low on that "battery pack" they made.
+Nukle0n Or because they didn't measure the battery voltage under load after watching a battery-enhancement scam product's instructional video.
+Nukle0n Sure! Li-ion need controller - could explode if overcharged.
+Daedalus Young Ahhh. We may have found a use for Batterizer.....
I don't beleive I said that #$/*NO CARRIER
I have an idea what might have happened here.
Imagine: You need 20 demonstration units to show people at the big trade show two days from now. You have a custom shaped battery pack as well as power supply designed and being produced, but shipping is running late, and you're not probably going to receive your parts in time. Oh, and due to size constraints in the case, off the shelf battery packs and power supplies don't fit. Nor does a full length USB cable, for that matter.
All the other parts have already been shipped to you, and you know the software mostly works because you've been testing it on your development unit, which is better described as components wired together and laid out on the table than a self-contained tablet.
So what do you do? You could wait for the next trade show, but it's next year. Or you could hastily design your own rudamentry power supply and stay up all night soldering. Remember, the demo units only need to function for a few hours until the trade show's over.
This does make sense, and hopefully it's what happened. I'd hate to imagine anyone would actually produce this turd and ship it to customers.
but its the 11th one
lol and the soldering, there is no excuse for that
@@membola And you have only an old gun soldering iron around to put it together... With knowing the exact circumstances we would maybe amazed of the resulted quality.
@@membola the 10 before were even worse
Why is ESINOMED spelled DEMONISE backwards :P
Lmao
Wow! Impressive finding.
I saw that straight away. 😈
disturbing
@@colin7406 damn, i can't even remember posting that :P
As a software developer this is exactly my reaction when I get asked to look at legacy code.
Or some garbage code when they outsource the job to India.
@@frosty129 but bro, sir, plz giv meh teh codez
I'm just amazed that it worked at all. Maybe it took 10 unsuccessful tries to put it all together and that is why this is # 11.
Video Summary: Wow!!
+DUSTINODELLOFFICIAL haha
Wooow
*Weow
.. Дас ист фантастиш..
You said it best!
Sorry dude but you just lose the warranty
@advsoft but they aint gonna replace your device if warranty seals are broken :/
As a German engineer, I apologise!
same here... I'm ashamed...
+YensR yes, it's a shame...
Germans actually still make poorly engineered equipment, I service and install them for a living.
+Peter Hofland for some reason I guess, your costumer check the prices more carefully then the product they are ordering. I think poor engineering practices exist all over the world.
True, customers expect to get a lot more for the very high price. Luckily they don't pay as much attention as we do. I often wonder if our equipment comes off the old Trabant assembly lines. 😝 Don't get me wrong, everything else from Germany is usually well made.
This is what i would do.... for a fun home project. Not for a hospital.
"assembled this together"... as opposed to assembling something apart?
LMAO
Yeah... Even on the surface it looks like a "proof of concept" like homemade prototype that was thrown together in an hour.
I mean Its like something I would be in the middle of making, then decided it was late and went to bed. Then while I was sleeping some gnome or something "finishes" it.
Even my home projects don't look this bad :')
even im better then that
Some cable management would of helped alot
***Small Business Secret Alert***
Many small businesses start their serial numbers or invoice numbers at number greater than zero so that their clients think that they/the product isn't the first. For example if you want to give the impression you're really busy when your not, you're not going to invoice a customer three weeks into the month with a low invoice number. Likewise if you're prototyping a cobbled together medical tablet pc you don't want the investor to think that you knocked it up in your bedroom the night before so you serial number starting from five or ten to pretend there was a proper process carried out before you presented the product. Serial number 11 sounds very like actual serial number 1.
I agree that could totally explain the serial number.
The company must have been under some serious pressure to get this tablet prototype made. They should've been honest as far as it taking longer to design a good prototype, so they would've had more time in my opinion. (If they were rushed)
Spell esinomed backwards.... Coincidence???
+Steve Smith Brilliant ;)
wow
+Steve Smith I had the same thought, lol.
+frumbert demonise
+Zuul47 Lol, that one went right over the ol' head eh?
That is actually pretty impressive. It's like a Mad Max styled computer made out of scrap! I like it lol.
Seriously, if I was on the operating table and saw medical equipment like that, I'd collect my organs and run.
This looks like it was someone's first project for a high school electronics class.
Do not insult high school electronics classes, this is far worse than my first few projects
I never do "that" at high school !!!!!
And failed.
I did btter than THAT my first time
That Soldering job is just as good as my high school peers
Looks horrifying, even for a prototype. I cant believe they actually made a run of these and gave them to customers. The guts of this thing are literally taped together. It'd fall apart within weeks of actual use.
The thing that baffles me is that this is meant to be a medical device. It's dangerous. There's no way this would meet standards to be used in, e.g. a hospital or a doctor's surgery in any first-world country I can think of.
How on earth they ever sold any of these is beyond me.
ESINOMED? Seriously? DEMONISE spelled backwards? This is Alucard level bullshit right there.
god frickin right!
am I the only one thinking MAJOR fire hazard in a hospital... how can they sleep at night.
New drinking game - take a shot every time he says 'hacked' or 'bodged'
If you do it every time he says "Wow" you'll die!
Empty your bottle for "Hot-Snot"
you'd fall into a coma, watching this video
Stop! Are you trying to get people killed?!
Penurious Sierra yes
Medical facilities use hardware like this?
+homeycdawg Pray that you don't ever need urgent care at any place which uses a piece of equipment such as this.
+homeycdawg ikr? i am just asking my self this whole time, who the fuck paid for this? i would be pissed.
+homeycdawg It looks like the sort of cheapo piece of junk an American hospital would pay too much for.
+Comedic Sketches
for something that is essencialy a small touch computer SN#11 is further down the line of almost ready to release, or to make the final product that you will hand to the customer.
+InfernosReaper true
Sometimes I feel depressed in my engineering projects, then I come back to this video and I feel instantly better
At least it has a much higher repairability score than your average Apple product.
Ad astra fortunately, Apple products aren’t built anything like this, and are reliable.
Mel Gross yea, that’s why all the gpus in the 2008, 2010 and 2011 MacBooks failed
My 2010 MacBook had 0 problems so it can't be all GPUs.
Schrader One example doesn't set the average! ;)
Mel Gross but not repairable without paying out the ass or just upgrading, hence the point of his comment
Hahaha that USB cable
***** true, it's still a nightmare though.
+David Scott you can still cut the casing of the mini usb plug and plug in it anyway with cables at a 90 degrees angle
+SeeWaffle9 Can you even call it a cable, if it doesn't have connectors at both ends?
nychold Well I guess that would be technically true.
+nychold It would still be a cable with no connectors. Where are you getting this idea?
I wonder what other absolute shite is out there masquerading as quality professional equipment, in medical establishments in particular. They seem to like having bespoke equipment, and paying through the nose for it.
Certainly here in the UK we have a lamentable record of wasting vast sums of cash on IT equipment and systems. Many many millions have been frittered away by apparently imbeciles who have no idea what they are doing.
+rationalmartian Canada too. That's what ends up happening when you're not running it as a business and it's also run by the government.
+sc0tte1 In germany, there are hospital run as business chains. That might be cheaper, but not necessarily better. Image a long waiting time for trivial cases - a woman even died because no one of the staff dared to ask if she has anything. And just because they are a private holding does not mean that they would not beg for money from the local government. I mean: Which company that has some influence on a good number of jobs and/or has control over infrastructure is not begging for government money?
+sc0tte1 exactly
+sc0tte1 Government shouldn't be run like a business -- though I'm not sure if that's what you were trying to say.
+rationalmartian -- I guess that tablet went for approx. £ 15 000,-
MADE IN GERMANY, hehe.
This is literally something I would put together if asked to make a tablet
I was expecting a badly put together tablet, but this was on another level! absolutely horrific
Can´t believe that thing is "Made in Germany" :( Really sad
+MrDoccodyblue Made in Zimbabwe :P
Made in Germany is does not mean high quality. It litterally only means that it is made in Germany.
+MrDoccodyblue It's made in the Hot Glue section of Germany.
as some1 developing tablet computers in Germany, me neither. this isnt even a protoype this is .. idk.
you mean Zwickau?
this is actually a really heartening and encouraging video because even my most amateurish hackbodge projects are done to far, far higher standards of workmanship than this
It needs a "No serviceable parts inside" sticker like nothing has before it.
the number of times he says "wooooow" is what actually surprises me
woooooow
TheLatvianHamster wooooow
I need to splice together every "wow" in a video now.
There ya go ruclips.net/video/Z5PCHEk-q84/видео.html
I have had this happen more then once, where i end up getting a device that looks right from the outside but is carnage inside. But it's not okay to asume that this is the end product from that company. It might have been a privatly owned device that has it original guts removed and replaced by an electronics hobbyist, while not bothering to remove company labels.
But, we used the the good batteries. See? It says "Professional" right on it.
... and we replaced the cardboard battery sockets with the quality plastic ones. Notice the corrosion didn't spill out onto the boards/components.
Don't forget about the high tech wire cutting!
all i can hear while skipping is WOW!!
Unbeliiievable!!
wooooowww
it's awfull woooow unbeli....
Yeah, my wife thought I was watching porn!
Masoud Gheysari
LOL
"On the outside it looks pretty good". Only if by "pretty good" you mean disgustingly soapy.
Better than inside.
Looks shit on the outside, and is even worse on the inside. Sounds like my ex.
+Incinium
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
That doesn't seem even like a quick way to do things.
+aaroNiGHTS Exactly. For prototyping one usually uses "of the shelf" buildingblocks, then refining it to custom stuff if needed.
Here they went to town with a piss-poor doublesided PCB layout for powersupply. populated by a blind guy and soldered by a monkey.
hacked in a touchcontroller by solder instead of a usb-usb cable etc
+Daniel Regnér
like i said somewhere else, a lipo with chargin circuit and 2 of those arduino dc-dc step ups would have been smalled and better looking than that and you wouldnt even have to do that crappy pcb which looked like it was soldered with a hot nail. Makes me think about why did i bother buying a 60 bucks soldering iron when i could just put the solder wire on it and melted it with a lighter.
+aaroNiGHTS Well in fairness, they probably took crayons, craft glue and glitter off the table before they settled on this design.
+aaroNiGHTS I'm sure we'll hear that the guy who built this was trapped down a mineshaft at the time and then it will make a lot more sense and be impressive.
+aaroNiGHTS Yeah, it took some TIME to fuck up that power supply like that.
Can't believe a German engineering made this I'm very sad
Look at their car and you will believe :D
Robert Haxor and it probably cost an arm and a leg because of Made in Germany sticker. Germans cannot into electronics
Tomas Av. Eyyy
januszbanderas :D
Ausnahmen bestätigen die Regel, richtig? =)
1 of 11 that's a collector's item there
Trash collectors item
Nullpointer
One man‘s trash is another man‘s treasure.
Although I wouldn’t call it a treasure.
Wow.. now that's so bad it looks like something I would've made... expect even I would've had the sense to just grab a power brick and instead of bodging together 10 batteries, simply took a 12V laptop battery pack or three 18650s and slap it inside, bam I just saved a ton of space plus it doesn't look as shit.
+vgamesx1 "It makes you want to stab your eyes out with a soldering iron" :)
Tito1337 pretty much :D
+vgamesx1 they could have made a better job using a lipo baterry with the protection and charging circuit built in, and 2 of those arduino mini dc-dc step ups. The would be smaller and better in every way.
+vgamesx1
I was about to defend the choice of parts a little (but definitely not the way of construction), because I thought that abomination had to be 10 to 15 years old. At that time getting the right parts was more difficult (ebay/amazon in their infancy). But then I saw the datecodes from 08 on several parts. No excuse! Absolutely none! And although I speak german and almost live in Germany I deny any relation with the "engineers", who built this.
+Laharl Krichevskoy think more of 2005-6 when stuff like arduinos and lipo batteries are either non existent or too expensive
You wouldn't even be allowed to sell this in the EU, I can't see any CE-conformity-print or similar. And for medical equipment I believe they would at least need a "TÜV"-Sign (which means they are technical-security-proven). And not to forget UL-Standards for internationally sold medical equipment. This wouldn't even pass any of the mentioned tests, so there must be another reason why there was a german company giving their name to this kind of crap. Even if this was a prototype, they wouldn't be allowed to sell this in Germany or the entire EU. Must be some kind of secretly sold stuff. Or maybe a very bad copy, where they even copied the company name print on it?
The only reason for the existence of this kind of dodgy power supply might be, that they had like a day to deliver, and no distributor for power-bricks nearby. But even then you could drive a few hundred kilometers to buy some.
This would never pass any engineering level. Even as a home-tinkering EE-Student it would bring me tears of shame to build something like this!
I feel really bad, that the name of my country is on there, especially because I have some kind of pride for our engineering skills... maybe they got a middle-school student with a soldering iron some of the employees knew? :D
+7head7metal7 Come to think of it, somebody might just have reused the case and display still with the company-sticker on it, and just hacked it together. The examples of crappy self-built handheld consoles from bigger ones, especially all that hotglue and the disgusting home brew powersupply might be the indication for this.
+7head7metal7 To simplify, that doesn't even pass an eye inspection by a rectal examiner.
Jonathan Poncelow
Thank you very much for your nice words! :) I will definitely engineer the shit out of it!
No problem, I'm far from taking this as an insult, you actually might be right. I just don't know that much about mechanical engineering to really examine this. No doubt, the japanese engineers are the very best in electrical engineering! I try my best to learn from their beautifully engineered products.
And I have to admit, I myself am not that of an expert in thermoplastics, maybe material engineering is something not so well taught in EE classes. But it is definitely a reason to try and learn more about it to make some products even better, so thanks for the hint!
Your idea is so good, that I'm almost shocked nobody tried this before. Maybe because of the ridiculous amount of money needed... But still made my day, thank you! :D Also, nice touch with the company name, the "GmbH" made it golden! Nothing in Germany works better for a company.
Personally I would add some american programmers, too, a lot of very good software comes from the other side of the Atlantic!
Jonathan Poncelow
Thanks again for your kind words! I hope to match these expectations some day.
Russians sound good, too. Well, that too might be a reason, so it must be nice to work there. (Thank you very much, i appreciate it!)
Reminds me of a working prop from a TV show. They are often cobbled together like this. Would have been interesting to see it work.
@0:54 Is that an...AMD Geode?! Holy crap, I never thought I'd see one of those.
+nychold Until today, I didn't believe they were real.
+nychold Whats so special about them?
+Fraser Hughes They're like intel atom but way older and pretty crap by todays standards.
Fraser Hughes For me, I remember reading about them in the late 90s and thinking "This is the way computers will go in the future." So it's probably just nostalgia.
nychold Oh ok cheers
it looks like something a highschooler threw together with what was in his engineering classroom.
+Blake Roberts nooooo not even. this is worse. a high schooler would have been too lazy to even attempt to solder the usb wires to the touch controller. he/she would have squeezed the connector in until some thing broke or it fit
I take offense to that. I have made far better, I would never even think of doing a battery pack like that
+Blake Roberts Hm, not really. My blinking Christmas tree board looked far better... not by much, but it blinked.
+ganymedeIV4
_"Schools in texas would call this a bomb."_
In a manner of speaking, _they would be right!_
+Blake Roberts Naw even a highschooler in engineering class could have done better.
Having worked for a company supplying blood test machinery in the medical world (Johnson and Johnson) I actually know that this sort of thing isn't that uncommon. We were engineers for a class of machines called Inova, and everytime there was an issue at a company using our machines, we'd help out. The machines looked fine, they worked fine, but on the inside, both in the hardware and the software, it was a mess. You'd need special login details to get to the service side of the machine, and half the functions in that system didn't work, or you had to get to through remote commands, it was a giant mess, just one the customer was never going to see.
And I think that might be the same for this device, once in use, it probably does what it needs to do and NOTHING MORE... And that is fine.
If the movie, The Room was a circuit-board... Thats what it would look like.
Ive had the luxury of having one of these in my computer shop recently... the device wouldnt turn on and the customer wanted me to fix it...i opened the back cover and took a look saw the re-heated taco bell soup inside....promptly put the cover back on it....and handed it back to the customer and told them to scrap it.. LOL
why can't you fix it am not going to your repair shop
You can't polish a turd... The point was probably that the money for the repairs was just not worth being put into this thing.
This thing does not require fixing, it needs reengineering from the ground up. That is probably more than the standard repair shop can handle or wants to do.
technology productions 2018 dont think he gives a shit bro lol
Maybe the name is a warning? Backwards it's "Demonise"...
My first project when I was 12 looked better than that!
-- Mike
Holy shit.
Holy shit indeed. Years later, only now does this unholy abomination make sense... it's officially the anti-christ of electronics products.
I thought exactly the same. I remember the first circuit board I made when I was 13 or 14. It was much neater than this.
I noticed that too - clearly made by Satanists ;)
My sbc tab even look better than thus hahaha , ps: im 15 :3
3:15 That soldering looks even worse than mine - and that's saying something!
It looks like something a placement student (intern) might have done. I can't believe this actually made it to the customer, surely it is just a proof of concept thing to show the client? Number 11 doesn't mean that they made another 10 like it, just that another 10 were made at different stages in the development. It may even have been the student's 11th project.
+Zadster I'm currently a 16 year old intern at a marine electronics design and repair company. If I turned something in like this the first time, I would probably be lectured for hours on bad engineering practice. By the 11th time it would be outa there for me...
To be fair, I was doing better stuff than this when I was 16 too, but I'm afraid real world deadlines do horrible things to an engineers' self respect and pride. Want to pay the rent this month? Then you'll get this project out on time, no matter what. Managers don't give a flying fig what the thing looks like - all that matters is; does it work? You know the mantra: On time, on spec, on budget. Pick two.
It sounds like I'm standing up for bad workmanship - I'm really not - but I can see that there may be real world reasons for shovelling a pile of crap into a case, and after all, it does actually appear to work.
+Zadster I agree.. This looks like someone had maybe 1 hour or less to build a working product and he had no components ready so he just took whatever he had lying around and tried to figure out how to get it working.. So he just took as many batteries as possible to get the right voltage for the battery pack and then he couldn't find a spare power brick with the right voltage so he decided to just build one himself on a some scrap project he had lying around and rushed the soldering by just being as fast as he could before he had to run into his car and drive to the meeting where he had to give the product to the customer...
Or maybe he actually while driving the car he used his right hand to solder the bloody thing, that would explain such outrageous solderwork :DD
Was this really ever sold to a end user?
+Mark Paul Jordan Most likely not. Probably a short run of demo units for a contract that most likely fell through..
I am wanting a refund just looking at this mess
I will never be able to unsee the power supply board.
+ECX0x100h You were warned.
+EEVblog xDDD
WOW!!!! You should send it to +photonicinduction hahahahaha
+alananderson007008 HiPot test ?
+alananderson007008 Photonic:"I ain't 'avin it, let's wire it up to the big boy's power supply!"
Tablet: BANG!
Photonic: "What? No flames? I'm disappointed! Where's my 'ammer?"
+digitalradiohacker Crank it up on the variac till it pops volts is what he would use to power it up.
Looks like an "etch-o-sketch" case without the holes
Surely this wasn't delivered like this. I refuse to believe that; much more likely someone got hold of the screen, gutted it and jerry-rigged it for himself. No engineering company, no matter how small or shoddy puts out work like that. My first job was an electronic engineer (with no formal training, I'm a computer scientist not a solder monkey) and even my bodgy efforts were nothing like this.
+Jason james Someone went to the trouble to make a double sided home made PCB for it!
TBH that might have been something I might have tried back in the day, I attempted (with little success) to etch my own circuit boards, with a permanent marker... If you were going to build this as a company you wouldn't bother to make a power supply like that, you'd just buy in a ready-rolled board from the RS catalogue (or tear down a wall wart) and bodge to suit if necessary. We did cut down costs on one of our designs by buying in off-the-shelf AT power supplies for some limited run test gear - yes I worked for a small bodge-merchant ;-)
+Jason james And to be honest, that PCB is a micro-atx power supply. Something you can readily obtain on ebay all day long for cheap cheap. It may have a custom 1/C charger circuit, but even then you can pick those up cheap too....
Interesting.
Esinomed is Demonise backwards.... Something fishy here.
+Shadow Warrior Productions It's just bloody odd.
We were hired to service a bunch of bulky, heavy "all in ones" with the same build quality.
They where "simply" an info screen, which had to be updated once a month with new info. A cheap tablet with a webpage full-screen would be overkill. They where once upon a time updated over the net using remote desktop to upload new binaries (Visual Basic, header based database), to reduce costs they where taken offline, USB drive and biweekly round around seven cities, sometimes with only a few hours of warning.
The same genius who made them also affixed a 24" LCD monitor (with standard VESA wallmount screw points) to a glass pane by means of two rubber suckers, held in place by one self-tapping wood screw, which perforated them (and the screen casing) all the way though.
We quit. The last straw was which they wanted us to pay for the replacement parts, and get the money back along with our pay in six months time. This in a very profitable sector, and we found out from to a few angry clients (service being charged for close to a year without working) that they were massively overcharging them.
Some had ripped the devices off the wall in frustration and wanted nothing but for them to be taken away.
Hey Dave. what's the model number of that PC board?
+CreativeType NX80GLX
+EEVblog Correction NX800LX
Thanks, just seemed like a nice board lol, can't say the same about the rest of it. haha
Jeremy Dixon Its good if you have X86 applications.
+EEVblog Nice, in my company we use ALIX Boards as routers, they have the same processor, but RAM is integrated (not changeable) and they only need a simple external 12V power supply.
We changed them with APU Boards which are similar, but have a better processor (AMD G-T40e) and are pretty nice too.
Looks like one of those screens you seen on airline seats.
oh god...If that would have been a prototype...okay, but with serial number 11, this makes me sad. Especially as I'm German and kind of proud, of our reputation to build solid engineered stuff...
This looks like a tablet that you would get if you took a random German and locked them in a room with a big pile of random electronic parts, and would only let them out if they could make a tablet.
there is no way that this shit can be sold in germany. probably thats the reason why the company closed in the first place. the battery pack are enough to declare this product illegal in germany. so dont be sad, be happy instead.
Unfortunately, but German product can no longer be made by Germans. Maybe it has been done by some lost migrants...
like, just say bmw had chinese factory, but quality is scrutineered by bmw.
It's so ugly, it could be a modern art masterpiece.
+Kabuki Jo Almost!
EEVblog
But not quite!
Would have been nice to see you get it working before destroying it.
+3D Motor Maker I'm surprised this thing worked for more than ten minutes.
+Roxor128 yes looks a fire hazard lol.
+3D Motor Maker Indeed!
+3D Motor Maker "Don't turn it on, take it apart!" And there was literally nothing to safely turn on here so...
I'm here rewatching this for the hundredth in 2023 because it's still, to this day, the greatest teardown video ever made. This is the sort of thing engineers talk about when they're sitting round a campfire telling scary stories.
That looks like something I would make as a teenager lol
I don't know. I think even us teens would have had the capacity to make a proper battery
+Novashadow115 Not if you don't have any money, and especially no way of getting parts from China on the cheap, about 10 years ago
nrdesign1991 Well, yea, that would seem to be the case if we are talking about ten years ago, but then again, ten years ago I could have just picked up spare batteries from the junkyard in town. Tons of people would throw away perfectly good electronics that just needed a quick repair
I think it's actually one of the most amazing computers every made. Think about it, someone without resources made it work. It WORKED, from probably the worst possible situation.
I have heard that it was a prototype, which was not produced in series. In Germany, there are legal requirements for medical technology. The product has no CE marking and can not be sold. You'd better informed in advance.
All in all it just seems like some prototype. Maybe this person just took a normal working device from the not yet sold ones and put some extra stuff in there, like the additional batteries and the psu (imo the even the board didn't look like it was made for this machine with some open component pads).
Also, didn't he say that the person who sent this to him didn't buy it from some retailer, but the company itself and wouldn't this mean that it was just a prototype in the end?
So, in Europe can such a device not be placed on the market, let alone be used in the medical field. There are clear legal provisions. The device is made in insolvency and was eleventh prototype, not the eleventh model. Clear processing is very bad and embarrassed, but it was used only internally and for testing purposes only. The company seems to act very professionally on the Internet. I go with prototypes also as before, but process it much better. It's still embarrassing
Hey Dave, are you sure somebody didn't just put some stickers on something they cobbled together in their basement, just to see you freak out? ( and maybe cause some other ramifications. ) I have a hard time believing that thing made it into any medical facility, or even would be considered by one. There are some areas that show almost blatant short circuits. I would think, any amount of walking around would cause that "what ever it is" to fail in short order.
I Think Someone Is Pulling Your Leg!
that looked like a suitcase computer i built...when i was 10.
+Rinoa Super-Genius i bet it was not as bad as that tho
***** it was pretty bad lol
you built a suitcase computer when you were 10? Damn, I was making Velleman kits with a Velleman plug-in soldering iron.
@@thomaswepfer you mean a fruit
I've seen those patterns before on the touchscreens of ATMs at my bank.
I have little to no experience on soldering... and I would do a better job... for sure!
You wish. Those cells suck away heat and many common fluxes don't work on them. You need a powerful iron and strong zinc chloride-based flux. That's why professional packs are spot-welded, not soldered.
Same
I can only imagine what numbers 1-10 looked like.
Work of art. Love it!
Yeah the touchscreen is an old style pressure type. We had one of these attached to an OCE high speed printer (which was about the size of a closet)
"If it's stupid and it works, it ain't stupid:" Obviously this was way beyond the skillset of whoever made it - yet somehow they managed to botch it together anyway. Fantastic. Value engineering at its finest.
Made right on the Oktoberfest, im sure!
Got a German adress on the label, indeed 😂😅
What Motherboard is this? I cant find it anywhere. I cant find The Mainboard in the description.
The fact that it ever worked at all is amazing.
There should be an actual contest for the world's ugliest electronics. The trophy could be something like some dog poo wrapped in tin foil.
+Steve Robbins The Golden Turd award!
what pisses me off is I can go to any electronics store anywhere in the world and get a battery pack(that's smaller than what they had and probably far better) + power supply.
David Folsom go back in time by about 14 years and can you still do it then?
Not to mention that the flash memory is incredibly slow. My USB external drive is faster than that shit.
Mr Vuck Fiacom CF cards have IDE interface, they can replace hard drives directly. And XP doesn't boot from USB.
They didn't use a power brick because of the height above the on-board connector. The lid has to be very low. And the reason why they used those gross NiMH cells is that they don't cause fire when overcharged. Li-Ion cells have to be managed properly and it's difficult to find off-the-shelf balancers for packs.
This video is truly inspirational! I now know I can make and tablets from the work bench in my laundry room using parts from my local radio shack!
What did I just witness... This is like a nightmare!
+RamblingEngineer I take no responsibility for permanent psychological scarring!
if I had the skill to build something like this, This is will be my build. This is call homemade
I would expect you to purchase an off-the-shelf power supply and a shor USB cable to connect stuff. Low-level DIY would be better.
+94XJ if I would build one yep I will
It reads backwards "DEMONISE"... Hmmm...
Hey, it works.
***** I think he was just installing stuff or it was some software issue.
Doesn't mean that it's still working now that he opened it up though.
8-)
It looks as if it was made in an hour, while drunk and high, using a USB soldering iron, by someone who doesn't know how electronics work.
can't believe they put their name on that thing.........really it's so embarrassing to admit that your company made such garbage and put your name on it!!!
+Ahmad Alghannam I build computers for people. and I would have fired the person who thought this was a good idea.
"You know the Germans make good stuff!"
+rentacow
Someone use the housing and the display to create his own Tablet-PC ... this is okay.
But do not believe that this comes from a real medicine technique manufacturer!
If I use a iPhone6 enclosure, use the display and but a 8Bit / 16MHz Micro-controller in it with 64kbyte Flash, then you would believe that this is made from Apple?
If you buy a Medical devices in Germany, you can be sure that it was tested, have a high quality and is save.
In the USA you have the concept of after-care ... if something happened they can sue.
In Germany we have the concept of prevention. They test a device till it is save, else way they can not sell it because you do not get a accreditation for the device.
This device was build from someone at home, for sure!
Possibly this is one of the first projects, because his soldering skills and Layout-Skills are not so good.
This was a good Idea, he have make some failure, but this is okay, he have learned from this and in the future he can be a good engineer.
+rentacow +1 for vincent offer quote
+SinterBronze
I think I prefer that theory than to believe it was made by a pro company as a serious medical tool. Maybe the night watchman at the research lab got bored and decided to have a go himself, "anyone can do that, it's not rocket science". Then got sacked for mucking about in the lab and nobody noticed the bodge till Dave opened it.
+SinterBronze you are right! - its custom made by a private person. "medical tech" need some certification and long time tests...
That thing was never ever made in Germany itself. The regulations for medical equipment there are insane, this garbage would never get an approval to be used...
I am actually watching this as an inspiration for building similar device, that actually has some quite good ideas
The sight of that contraption gave me cancer.
Which is a shame for a "medical" stuff thing.
I've enjoyed watching your teardown segments. This one so far is my favorite! Just love everything about it!
In my country, we call this "getting a 6 for a 9" LMAO thanks for the laugh, man!
Oh god.
This makes my first prototyping board projects look good.
And that's saying a lot.
Couldn't even use electrical tape 😂
To be fair, electrical tape has the flaw that it unravels when warmed up. Stationery tape doesn't do that. If they wanted to be perfect, they would have to use kapton, but even Chinese kapton is comparatively an expensive tape.
So did you at least fix the shortcomings of the device and get it work reasonably well? I'd love to see that.
batteries in the paper... it's for more flamable effect! 8-)
those cells say professional right on them and are therefore totally legit. :P
You forgot to put a disclaimer at the first seconds of the video :"WARNING, in this video i will show you a more than horrible setup. Do not try this at home cuz the battery pack may explode."
This is actually a very good video. It sets the base line on what shitty electronics looks like. lol That soldering.....eeeewwwwweeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!
+BondServant1110 I've actually seen things almost as bad as this, but that was from China, and it also wasn't medical equipment.
When I seen this the first thing I thought was Medicaid Fraud. Can you imagine what type of ineffective equipment and procedures hospitals buy and order just because the director is getting kickbacks from the company.