Saying that someone is depressed is not enough. Why were they depressed is a more complicated question. People generally have very simple understanding of the condition. They think they have a solution, but they don't, and can often make the situations worse.
I’ve followed Christine’s story for many decades, and I was very pleased that you avoided jokes in this video. Thank you for treating her with dignity.
@@chucklebutt4470 Different figures involved have felt freer as time has distanced them from the event, and yes - at the speed of molasses racing down a hill, actually things have been added/changed/clarified. So...I guess what you’re really putting out isn’t picking nits as much as just showing that you haven’t been following it. Hope that makes more sense to you.
I don't know anything about this case but I'm wondering why I keep seeing comments about people making jokes why would anybody make jokes about someone's suicide?
BUT, he used some failed logic in the analysis. It’s frequently used, but wildly incorrect. “Suicide for attention,” is failed logic. If you aren’t here for a reward, you are in fact negating any possible reward. She was desperately trying to get people to see and prevent the inevitable ending of the motto, “if it bleeds, it leads.” If media actually shared all news without prejudice instead of sensationalism, we wouldn’t be subjected to “alternative facts” and other unreal realities. Sadly, the incident proved her point and her suicide became the story instead of the failure of media to provide dispassionate facts. She was correct in her assumptions regarding the direction of broadcast news and, unfortunately, propelled it further and faster in that direction quite literally like a shot.
If someone had been seen Christine Chubbuck on the air in the days and weeks before she killed herself, they might have thought that she had the world by the tail. She was the anchor of a local news station, she was attractive, appeared confident, and seemed on the path to a great future. But behind the scenes she was a lonely, sad and tormented woman. It goes to show that you shouldn't envy other people no matter how great their lives might first seem, because you never know what they're really dealing with in private.
I wish people knew this always instead of envying people know that each person has their own unique experience and no one knows what is inside another person's head.
She was very outwardly depressed and alone. She was critical of herself and shot down compliments anyone paid to her. Try not to make up stories in your head and present them as fact to people next time
Large chunks of my life have been destroyed by serious depression. Amazed that she was working on such morbid topics. When I was at my worst, I couldn't go out in public. I feel like a survivor.
You are a survivor and it is courageous when anyone who has depression faces the day. My husband has had lifelong depression. I love him very much and I know that he fights against the ANTS (automatic negative thoughts) every day. Keep up your fight too because your life has incredible value. The Bible says so. ❤️
yep i’m incredibly depressed even with medication and would never do something like this. it’s selfish and repulsive. people should save their sympathy for someone worthwhile
@@ownedbymykitty270 The implication is there. "Back in the old days, 1970 and all the years leading up to it". Btw. Any country bumpkin can pick up a book and read. Knowledge is freely available to whoever looks for it. Superiority or inferiority has nothing to do with it. Anyway, your kitty cat is waiting to play with you.
"...This is expected. When a person decides to commit suicide their mood often gets better because they believe the end of their suffering is near" I had to pause and stop myself from crying
@@achingaster1199 I haven't experienced anything like Christine Chubbuck has but I'm an empathic person and It's easy for me to assume/understand a persons emotional situation by simply listening to someone describe themselves, how they feel and understanding them. I love life and the inner quality of people, for me to recognize all the reasons/situations from her perspective that caused her conviction for ending her suffering, really hurt me. I'm doing well overall, but i hope you're coping with whatever it is that scares you as you mentioned.
I have seen this in real life. My friend killed himself 3 years ago and he became super happy before he left, also told me he wanted to tell me everything about his life I didn’t know and asked my forgiveness for things that didn’t need my forgiveness. He told me I meant a lot to him and changed his life being his friend and then the next night his body was found hung in the garage.
I actually propose a fourth theory as to why Christine did what she did: announcing it on tv would force her to go through with it. She tested this out by making a sarcastic statement, then once it was said and witnessed by both her coworkers and the viewers, she felt like she had to do it. Just my two cents, anyway. It’s incredibly heartbreaking hearing her story. It moved me to tears.
I think what I find the saddest is that no footage of her other broadcasts have been shared, I think it'd be nice to see something of her as a human being rather than just discussion of her at the end of her life if this makes any sense
My son was depressed-I tried so hard. The day that he chose to end his life-he seemed happy-I remember him coming to my home and he told me things were going so well for him (he had tried suicide before this-he even said that his first attempt at suicide felt so comforting) 2 weeks before he decided to end it-he went to his Nanas house with his favorite niece-they spent hours together-laughing and enjoying the moment-the day he decided to end it-his brother asked him to go fishing for the weekend-he said “yes-for sure” He did it that night with my gun. He seemed so happy- I’m a wreck
I'm so sorry that you have suffered such a terrible loss. I can't imagine losing a child under any circumstances, but I would imagine that losing one to suicide is probably the worst way. I hope you find peace in the future.
We want to protect our children at all costs. But there is no way to protect them from themselves. Suicide prevention sometimes work. But other times, it seems that nothing can be done to stop it. Particularly if that is what they truly believe will end their suffering. In a way it does, but the suffering that it causes to other people is huge. After the fact the only way to find peace is to realize they made the choice and you could not stop "the car wreck from happening."
😭 I send you my condolences. I have depression + more. I had thought about ending my life early before my diagnosis. That was 30 years ago. It’s rough, but I have been blessed with the only psychiatrist that has given me the right medication, and is truly caring and knew exactly what med combination worked. It took some months, but it’s working. This NEVER goes away! If you have a family member or friend who seems to be crying out for help, don’t hesitate to talk to them! You can definitely save a life!! God bless.
I am bipolar and am a single divorcee and understand wanting to have a husband and a child. I am shy and tend to get into bad relationships. I have tried to end my life in the past so I understand. I am so grateful to be here. My heart breaks for people who feel this way.
Thank God you Betty. I don't know you but I care about you and I understand you're shy but babe theres sooo many groups for people just like you you can find them on your phone online or computer not even the hug ur pillow types real legit nip it in the bud therapy through everyday stuff but just with you guys
It makes me so sad that she had told multiple people how much she was struggling.... I understand completely how it feels when no one hears you crying out.
Other people have problems too. Sometimes their problems take up their time, the idea that someone can drop their baggage and be a therapist in an instant for someone seems odd to me.
@@navykeef she wasn't asking for anyone to be her therapist (except her own, who also failed her). She just needed someone to be there for her and maybe urge her to seek professional help. Remind her that life wouldn't always feel so awful.
Even when she was smiling in pictures, you could see a deep sadness in her eyes. It shows that, despite upbringing, mental illness doesn’t discriminate.
She wanted witnesses to her death. This way, she would finally get the attention she so desperately wanted and needed. I also believe that she was on the spectrum because of her inability to connect with and create any meaningful relationships with anyone other than her family. She felt invisible and she most likely believed that her death wouldn't affect anyone or that she wouldn't be missed. She was incorrect; we're still talking about her now. What a heartbreaking story.
I can definitely relate to Chrstine's intense depression over her perceived romantic failings. I was a virgin well into my 30s and it's something that ends up being a huge source of shame in a person's life. You get into a warped state of mind where you feel like a complete fraud and failure because this one thing that is seemingly so easy for everyone else to achieve (sex and a romantic relationship) feels completely impossible and out of reach for you. it does cause you to reject compliments and makes you unable to see what others see when they look at you because while they see a normal, attractive, intelligent woman (as Christine certainly was) all you can think is that you're a mess and that there's something deeply wrong with you. it can also make you feel as if you're blocked in a infantilized state of existence where everyone else is growing up and doing adult things (like go on dates, have sex, enter serious relationships/marriage etc.) while you're stuck in a perpetual state of awkward adolescence. What happened to her was immensely sad and the reality is, no matter how much those around us might love and care for us, depression is something that can only be overcome by ourselves.
I can so relate to this. Being disabled makes it worse. I have friends. I have family that loves me. I exercise. I have hobbies. I take care of myself. I just can't shake this. It's so fucking hard.
I wish I had been the opposite and had some respect for my sekf, I let myself be used and abused and I'm not sure I ever got over that either. Hope you are all well and happy? God bless us all. Xxxx
@@zackattack9228 just thinking of that lol. For us Asian being a" virgin" is actually good for us and better. Men take pride if a girl he will marry is a virgin. Just a culture and traditions thing per say. Nowadays if course its doesn't matter if you're virgin or not( Asian) we don't care about that anymore.
I feel her pain. I'm also clinically depressed. My husband died in 1993, it disintegrated my family. 6 children, 8 grandchildren. They couldn't come home to me anymore, they wanted it to be the way it was ...both mama and dada....Grammy and papa. They wanted their parents the way it was BOTH of us together. We couldn't have that anymore, they wouldn't accept the way it is. So I miss them so much and cry for all I've missed. And keep hoping. Life can hurt.
Your family should have rallied around you! Instead they made your life a living hell by not having them around anymore. I hope you have gotten therapy for it. If not and if you could afford it maybe you should try it now. Your comment made me cry. I wish I could be there for you! Much much Love
I never heard about this case, but i'm not surprised. Suicides are just buried, nil news about them everything goes silent. Weird to see that food commercial
It is known that a suicide being reported in the news correlates with an uptick in suicides for weeks after the initial report. Some news organizations prefer not to report on them because of that.
With things like these, there's also the factor of 'oh, they've always been like that' so even if the person is getting more serious about it, people around them aren't alarmed by it
Maybe I'm naive but I do feel like we're much more aware of mental illness, signs and "cries for help" now then we were as a society then.. maybe? 😔 (Sorry for the typos 🤦🏼♀️)
@@MargotHypnos Do you know what that is like? It is a toxic situation that most people are capable of handling especially those who are effected as well. Imagine the blind trying to help the blind, that's what mental health is like, it is hit or miss, there is risk either way, not an ideal situation.
@@roathripperDo you realize how many hours people put into recording, editing, and uploading content to RUclips? Grande uploads almost DAILY. Those are hours out of his life, dude. If he's going to commit so much time to entertaining us with this kind of content he should absolutely be compensated for it. I mean, come on. You wouldn't want to work for free.
My sister took her own life in 2018 after two years of her family doing everything we could and spending all the money she needed for help. After her second attempt, her psychiatrist told us it was rare that someone who attempted more than once didn’t eventually succeed. As Dr. Grande noted, it was exactly like watching a train wreck in slow motion. Tragic but not surprising conclusion. 💔 I hope someday they will have the right treatments for severe depression.
I feel for the mother; she was torn between reaching out to the work place on behalf of her daughter’s depression for fear it would make things worse & Christine would lose her job… It’s incredibly sad.
I feel at the very end that she was overcome with extreme anger. She was tired of never being noticed, never being able to understand, and never having relationships. The fact that she knew that an on-air suicide would be gruesome and hard to fathom was her one GUARANTEED way to get noticed, while ending her sadness at the same time. "I'll show everyone to NEVER forget who I am."
While this can certainly be true, I wonder if this has more to do with hindsight bias? Based on what we've seen/read about her through media we know that she was severely depressed so when we look back at old pictures of her we tend to think her sadness and dissatisfaction was "visually" obvious. But if a photograph of her was presented to people with no context about her condition/death most of them may have very well thought she was absolutely normal or that there was nothing wrong with her.
I saw a movie about her life, simply titled, Christine. I had never heard of her before that. I struggle with Clinical Depression too, but by the Grace of God, I keep chugging away. I feel great compassion for her. I wish her life had been better for her. ❤ Edit: Thank you, Dr Grande for your analysis. I enjoy your channel very much. Happy Thanksgiving 🍽♥️
I’m a 31 y.o woman & never have any boyfriend in my life. Sometimes I do wonder why I was made this way. I’m not good looking & I have health issues. I feel like I am not worthy. I do have thoughts that I better disappear. Sometimes when people compliment me I’d brush them off. However my love of movies & music makes me less depressed. There’s so many things I can enjoy alone. I earn money from my job & at least I feel happy to go shopping (although I have no friends & mostly alone). This is too sad. If I were friends with her, I’d definitely hug her & tell her she’s not alone.
Hold on friend. You're valid like everyone else. We are lucky to be born in the digital age. Christine wasn't so. Let's be happy with what we have even if little.
@@falconeshield Thank you and I will. At least I can enjoy nice videos, movies & music from RUclips or Spotify. And they keep me busy in my lonely time. Well at least I earn some money & I can buy clothes I love and wear them happily. Small things like these make it more bearable indeed.
How do you know she was genuine? Many people may have tried to help her - and she refused their advice and support. Maybe she made it impossible to help, by demanding a certain kind of help and declining all others. Narcissists are impossible to help, usually. They say "no" to everything. They won't try any kind of healing if it doesn't give them a pay off in some way
@@pm2886 You know what, after watching this again and reading additional coverage of this...I think you have a great point. An article I read solidified a change in viewpoint: '...minister Thomas Beason delivered the eulogy stating, "We suffer at our sense of loss, we are frightened by her rage, we are guilty in the face of her rejection, we are hurt by her choice of isolation and we are confused by her message."...' It sounds like people most likely did help but it sounds like she turned it down. But she did hint at her plans kill herself on air and one person took it as a joke and told no one. Her mother suspected doom as well but didn't say anything in order to keep her daughter's job safe. It's not those people's fault for not speaking up but if we see or hear things like this it's best not to keep them silent. Like Dr. Grande said at the end...lessons learned.
My aunt took her own life in 1975. I don’t think people back then in the 70s looked at mental health the way we do today. I remember a lot of anger after she did it instead of empathy with what she was going through. Very sad time in my family’s history.
I'm really sorry to hear that my friend 🙏 I hope society becomes more empathetic for people in your Aunt's situation. God bless her soul Peace be with you all ❤️
So sorry no one really heard her. Seems like she defined herself by the friends/boyfriends she felt she "should" have. Love comes from within, you need to have it for yourself before you can give it to another.
I applaud you Dr Grande for covering these difficult stories and doing it with such dignity, this can be the reality of mental health conditions unfortunately.
It shows how complex mental ill health is I can't imagine how her parents felt knowing people saw her do that to herself This video has touched me in a deep way A very sad set of circumstances
This shows you the cognitive dissonance of "I'm not worthy" "I'm unlovable" "I'm inadequate" a lot of black and white thinking and so much more. If anyone out there is hearing this, just know that you are a great person. You are loved, and that you are worthy of love and to be loved
She was an extremely beautiful woman. With a beautiful heart it’s so disheartening that she never had the chance to meet someone that would make her feel special
Perhaps the very thing that made her want love is the same thing she tried to hide from the world... Poor girl, she must have felt so trapped... Indeed a beautiful lady but perhaps something she wasn't prepared to admit to herself
I learned from her tragedy to never not take someone seriously when they are contemplating taking their own life, and i think if someone trusts you enough to tell you how they feel then please get help for them ❤
As someone who has been severely depressed most of my life people can't handle my dark thoughts. I am 54. I learned how far I can say how I feel without scaring people or being admitted to the hospital. Decades ago the mental health hospitals used to actually help. They had your days planned out with different types of therapies. You were not allowed to sleep all day. The staff treated patients with respect. Years ago mental health hospitals changed to just keeping a person looked in the building but not offering treatment. I already have a Dr. and counselor so the hospital Dr. basically just goes over my meds. No one truly understands. My family cares very much but it is also hard on them. They get angry sometimes because they want to "fix" you but know they can't. All of the treatments (non medicine ones) are still to expensive to get. Electroshock, Ketamine, TMS, medical marijuana. I have been approved for all of those things but even with insurance my co pays are too much. I completely understand why the lady did that on TV. No one understands the depths ones mind can go unless you have been there.
This made me want to get help immediately. I relate to her so much and I’m in denial about it but I see so much of myself in her and it scared me. I’m so sorry to her and her family.
That could be true. But also remember if u were experiencing this after watching the movie u could also be adapting "main character vibes". Cuz I kinda felt it too. But then I realised I feel that after watching so many movies true or fiction...
This young woman was beautiful, smart, funny, creative, and sensitive. She had so much to give to the world--if only she saw it. For anyone reading this, you are here for a reason. You were created for a specific purpose, including calling others into their purpose, to Love, and to allow Love into your life. Don't give up.
But you didn't know her. Also what good is it that you can give stuff to the world when it doesn't get you you what you want? That sounds very selfish from us. Maybe she was right to cheer up at the prospect of the end to her agony, just wish it would have been less gruesome.
@@A_Box well the problem is that there is no coming back from death. You can’t come back from it. Well if your body’s already stiff anyway/ 4 hours. The suffering in life may have come to an end if she stayed alive. Also, giving of oneself to the world is not selfish of the world, the ‘world’ doesn’t care either way. However, it’s courageous, heroic, and gracious of the person.
This one haunts me. I've felt this too, feeling unheard, unseen, and wanting to end it all. There's so much pain behind her eyes, I wish something could have been done. It's one of those situations where, I wasn't even born then, but I wish I could go back in time and just say 'I know how you feel. I'm here to listen. How can I help you.'
God bless you with courage, comfort, strength and healing! Lord, give them your peace, provision, blessing and a special sense of your presence. Please keep on keeping on. We need you.
I lost my brother to suicide. He had a similar problem with the dichotomy of either good things are happening therefore life is worth living/bad things are happening therefore life is no longer worth living. I have learned from this to at least teach my children that in as much as possible celebrate not only victories but also the defeats the life deals you. In fact often, the hardest and darkest times of our lives are where we learn the most.
Sadly, there are a few poor mental health practitioners out there. I had a toxic one, and was just lucky to get away from him before more damage was done. I don’t get why they seek out such a career field if they don’t care about helping people
The formula is that if the patient doesn't have a plan the risk is low. I was always amused by this rule because do they think patients tell everything if they are truly suicidal?
@@jenh6247 Same thing happened to me. I can only assume they just treat it as a day job and don’t care too much about their impact on people, it really felt like my counsellor was reading off a script off at times.
I'm supposed to be cleaning my apartment, but I saw the notification and now I'm going to binge watch Dr. Grande. It's important to set priorities in your life
it's insane how many people she told about her thoughts, but no one took them seriously then so they never even acted or asked her to explain. the terrible culture back then just reinforced those feelings that no one cared about her. rest in peace
@@latinaalma1947 Absolutely. Mental illness was not something talked about, people suffering as such were certainly not embraced. We are living in kinder times.
i can tell why no one cared about her, she was incredibly selfish. everyone seems to feel bad for her, but what about the innocent people watching that broadcast that were subjected to that?
Christine’s story always interested me. Probably because I can relate to her on so many levels. Ever since I found out about her at 13 years old, I always sympathized with her and understood her pain. I’m now 22 years old and I still do. Feeling like you don’t exist to people and nobody caring to listen to what you have to say that’s on your mind and all is very frustrating. I suffer from depression, anxiety, and bipolar so I know it’s very frustrating and knowing it was especially frustrating for her.
I feel bad for Christine. I know someone that attempted suicide. She said she reached out for help and she didn't receive any. I don’t understand how some people can ignore a cry for help.
Sometimes people get so overwhelmed with their own lives and they dont know how to help. 😪 They may simply not know what to do one day. It just takes 1 time not to be there for someone w severe depression. You can be there 100xs but 101 you really were too exhausted or just didnt know how to handle it and bam its over. 😢😢
A lot of people say that they would be there for a mentally ill person if they need help but don't realise what that task may entail, so when the time comes to help many may ignore them because they suddenly realise they really do not want that level or kind of responsibility. I don't think it's anyone's duty to commit themselves to that task particularly if they're also struggling mentally themselves, but at the same time, it can only make it more frustrating to the ill person to hear that they would get support if they open up, only to be met with none because others only said it to seem comforting and out of moral obligation. It can just exacerbate feelings of loneliness in some. Proper mental health treatment just needs to be made much more accessible so that doesn't happen. I think the blame should fall mostly on the mental health professionals who saw these patients but failed to listen and properly assess them with regard to likelihood of suicide because that's literally their jobs.
Very sad. She needed help. It’s too bad the things that could have helped her never came together for her. No one should ever feel that suicide is their only solution.
It really is too bad we live in a world where you have a better chance of surviving many cancers than having any long term remission of serious depression. No different than it was for those born with asthma in the 15th century. Arbitrarily cruel, but that’s the way it’s been to people forever. I have bipolar. 25 to 60% of us will attempt suicide at least once in our life (depending on the study)
I've been suicidal try to kill myself in a car accident but came through disfigured and disabled. I was in torment because of my narcissism and need to control everything that existed in my life. I learned from the incident that I control nothing but my response to my reaction towards situations. I am thankful for surviving and I grateful for every day that God grant me to live. My egotistical view of a good life was a delusional empty existing. I now live.
My dad committed suicide publicly. A whole additional layer of grief hit when I heard how he chose to end. I really struggle with how loud his cry was, because he was a private sufferer.
Her story is so heartbreaking. She considered herself undateable but she was such an interesting and objectively attractive woman. Imagine how much different her life would have been if she just had a relationship. ugh I wish I could have done something to help her. Rest in Peace Christine. ❤
@@kenfryer2090She only had 2 dates in her life so it doesn’t sound like she ever had a relationship. So much for any empathy for her mental health status since you speculated it would have been a “nightmare” to be in a relationship with her.
I know where this is all leading. Next we'll be forced to witness Dr G's 'Reacting to...' videos. OOTD. Room Tour. Best Friend Chooses My Outfits. and of course 'My Anxiety and Self-Image Issues'
I see so many similarities with this woman and myself. Not the suicidal thoughts right now but the personality and lifestyle traits are so much like my own.
Me too. I am 46, not married and no children. I have given up on marriage and at 46, I'm too to have children. Sometimes I am overwhelmed with loneliness but I do appreciate my family and friends
I struggle every day with depression. It is a horrible state to live in and it is invisible so not many people understand or even know what is going for the person.
There's always hope. Sorry to hear about your situation. Please consult an alternative medicine practitioner. Dr. Mark Hyman, is one of many that has shown to help people with depression. He written books about healing. He's has a clinic in Ma.
"she appeared to be in a extremely good mood. this was expected, when a person decides to commit suicide their mood often gets better because they believe the end of their suffering is near" same
Can relate to her internal thoughts so much. The inability to attract a partner can truly drive someone insane. Like trying to not sleep at all for years and years
yep and no one talks about that part. like sure feel bad for her if you want, but i feel bad for the REAL victims, the innocent people just trying to watch tv that day who were subjected to watching that
I tossed and turned all night last night...At 4 AM I decided to check on your channel and I clicked on this video. Apparently I fell asleep within 4 minutes. Your videos are sooo calming. No annoying loud music/sounds. No annoying ads every 5 minutes. No super bright white blinding lighting. Thank you Dr. Grande🙏
I can relate to most everything that y’all are sharing and just want to say thank you for this conversation. I hope you all have better days ahead and call someone if you think you might need to. Don’t wait until tomorrow. Be safe and healthy
Amazing analysis and narration, and the best thing ever, I don't have to shove my face in this tiny screen, I still can do my work and listen, it is like I can see everything, precise, clear, soothing, absolutely not distracting, detailed but also cery summerized, so natural talent you have doctor sir! 😊 I also learned two new words today. This is perfect, I am going through all your videos and I don't want to comment on every single one of them, I feel embarrassed doing so, so I comment on few chosen ones. Thank you doctor, I mean it, I do really appreciate your work, and the lack of ads, this is like heavens.
It is extremely difficult to work with Major Depression and you can even be lured into a false sense of trust to talk to your boss- but it NEVER ends well for the person with depression. People ARE shunned and seen as a liability and just a downer to the boss's day. I know it very well. I have to hold it all in when I go to the office and pretend. And it is exhausting which just makes the depression worse. And I am then constantly tired and on days I don't have to work I just hide away. It is a neverending treadmill and you DO just want it to stop. And you want someone to take it seriously - well everyone probably. Which may be why Christine chose that way to express her pain.
@@marcusboddington7554 No, because they have a relatively comfortable living and don't care who they beat down in the process. Partly when the modern American workforce/culture is incredibly narcissistic and sociopathic. I've spoken to people in European countries. Sure, they have faults like everywhere else but the culture isn't nearly as toxic.
@@Helicopterpilot16 Narcissism is Pandemic and has been for a long time. I agree it is worst in the West. Overt, covert, invert, vulnerable, fragile, the whole spectrum, all the way up to sociopath and psychopath. My intuition tells me this woman may have had a covert narcissist parent who psychologically abused her, the family scapegoat. The narcissist deliberately invalidates the needs and emotions of the scapegoated child.
You just have to get used to boredom to get rid of depression. Being bored is what triggered my depression the most. Boredom triggers loneliness. I just slowly trained myself to be content and the depression finally disapeared.
Thanks for covering this story. I've always been interested in the unfortunate incident. I understand I'm way late but gotta give you love for your amazing content ❤
As someone who has suffered from mental illness almost my entire life, and a suicide survivor, I am exceptionally sensitive to others who are depressed, anxious, and suicidal. I feel so sorry for Christine.
As a person who has gone through feeling suicidal and basically ignored when reaching out, I can tell you that as far as my experience it was frustrating being ignored. It really reinforces the idea that nobody cares. I have one person who cares in my life who did reach out back to me which really helped. But for me, I have been in undiagnosed Intractable pain from both a mystery illness and extreme arthritis. Its the way the medical profession was treating me that really pushed me into a " no way to fix this" mindset. The way people in physical pain are disregarded by doctors who don't seem to care about quality of life is producing a group of people who do not want to live with pain that keeps you from being productive. What saved me was finally getting a doctor who was willing to listen to me and point me in the direction of at least trying to find out whats going on. But mostly my son being with me through all this pain. I'm sorry she felt there was no other way. I hope she is at peace now.
I was fired for. the symptoms of bipolar depression, more than once. Symptoms included tearfulness, anxiety that causes cognitive processing difficulties, and others. With treatment I do okay, but one is never forgiven for having mental illness. The stigma of mental illness is very potent, and the idea of mental illness is used to explain away behavior that is just bad. If I hear one more person say something like "She's off her meds" I may just scream. In my experience, employment discrimination for mental illness is as common as age discrimination, and just as easy to deny. Dr Grande, it would be great if you could do a video on mental illness stigma.
In all reality, that can be extremely disruptive for the entire workplace. People need to find jobs where they are not disruptive to others, it's not discrimination. We do need more access for ALL better medical care, not just mental illness.
@@Lunarstruck1Are you being serious? Try telling this to someone who has an obvious/physical impairment… How is having a mental impairment different? You need help.
Well if you constantly cry and could not complete your duties, you were not fire for your mental illness, you fire for not being able to complete your duties. Because if you were fired for having a mental illness, they are just asking to be sued for discrimination. So stop with the woe is me and actually take some responsibility. Having mental health illness does not excuse you of responsibility.
This was in my hometown, Sarasota, and believe me we were shocked in the community in 74. Thanks for exploring this tragic story. The story was that she was overwhelmed by all the violence which she, as a broadcast journalist, was overexposed to. Remember the Vietnam War was still going on and society was in turmoil. And she was probably too sensitive to handle it all. Edit: the matter was hushed up in short order. Sad.
holy moly. I had never heard about this until today when I found your channel and listened to many different videos. It’s so interesting how you explain everything and let us know about how people think. It’s so chilling.
I really appreciate how you relayed Christine’s story and her mental health analysis without showing any judgement towards her. Hers is such a sad story, and it’s sad how people who commit suicide are often stigmatised or blamed as attention seeking.
@@immanuelhall4577 I can’t say for her, naturally, but when I’m in a really dark episode, hearing anything about politics, crime, or awfulness in humanity adds some “public” hopelessness to my personal hopelessness. I need to avoid it if I feel myself getting dark.
@@birnamwoodfan hey thats true. when i'm exposed to news that happen somewhere in the world its often negative news; where this country is arguing with this country, this country is opressing these people, this person killed that person, this prominent person is not a good person. its all just conflict. it makes me depressed about the dark things that happen in our world and i cry during those times more than any other time. whats really helped me is to work on my passion.
Agreed. I saw the movie, and there was a time she was having a psychotic episode on air. The camera person even stopped like wtf?? Because Christine was in a zone.. stuck in her mind, and that showed on air.
Sometimes people have to ask themselves “am I the problem?” and if they never do they may become very depressed. But if you realize that it’s you who need to change then you might just do it and things will go better
As someone who had to endure threats of suicide for many years, it’s hard for me to get past the anger I feel when people are so selfish! Yes, it’s sad on many levels, and I do feel sad for her family and friends. However, if you really want to die, go be fish food! There’s no need to traumatize a whole bunch of people… Especially people you don’t even know that’s just selfish. And like mean people, selfish people suck!
Yay, Dr Grande, love Hello Fresh❣️ In 1974, I was seeing a psychiatrist/psychoanalyst after a divorce. I told him I no longer wanted to live. The best advice anyone has ever given to me: “Don’t do it; your children will never recover.” Isn’t it sad when we cannot live for ourselves rather than for others. I am sad that there was nothing she cared about enough to not continue to live. Her mother lives with the pain of losing her child.
The philosophical question of if or when suicide is appropriate is certainly complicated. I would never encourage anyone to take their own life. My mother did and I never harbored much of a resentment towards her. She is at peace now. She also went through years of therapy and medication after a traumatic experience and eventually the pain was to great for her to bare. I don't think it was done on a whim. And I'm sure she weighed the consequences to those that loved her. I'm sure it was not an easy choice. The fire must have been at her back and so she jumped from this world and hopefully into a better one. Rip mom.
That 'public announcement', i.e. advertisement was out of ordinary grande videos. also the food looked quite bad ;) WAIT 12 free meals including shipping? I'm a hungry Finn. Free food changes the equation, what's the catch? ;) Pretty sure the ship would get stuck in Öresund or something ;)
@@jokusekovaan Not worth the trouble. Just order some lean cuisine frozen dinners from you're local grocery. It's nearly the same thing! And way less expensive! 😆
I can't believe I never heard of this. I'm in tears, how sad she must have been. Of course my heart goes out to her family as well. For many years the only thing that kept me alive was knowing how devastated my family would be if I were to take my life.
I relate to this case. I am almost her age and have never had any romantic relationship, and I don't know what it feels to have true friends. To be honest, at the beginning I did not experience any kind of depression or sadness because of my extreme isolation, but like since 2 years ago or maybe a little bit more, it has starting to hitting me hard. And if you add these to the many problems that I already have, uffff I am not gonna lie, but it becomes super hard and even more when you do not have someone to talk to, to trust, to communicate your feelings, etc..... I just want everything to change. I have heard "everything is temporary", hopefully that is true. Good luck to everybody 😀
Journal your thoughts AND feelings. Get sunlight, good sleep, and get vitamin D3 & Vitamin B12. And lastly meditate - whatever type of meditation works best for you. The Real Work is the journaling and communicating with parts of your mind (subconscious/unconscious) about what is bothering you AT THE CORE - that is prohibiting you from BEING the Person you want to be, so that you can Have what you want in life (personal, love life, business, etc.). You gotta be really HONEST with yourself. Only YOU know how YOU really feel about things, and what YOU really want.. Then find a solution by using intuition, logic, and rationality. It's not about having the stuff (material, achieving goals, relationships) it's more about being the person you love, that you love how you are from the inside. Lastly, a huge helper - I know it's a cliche but - FUCK what people think about you - even family. You got one life bro, stop trying to live up to anybody's else's expectations, they don't know what you want, how things make you feel. Do and be who the fuck you want be. Be strong bro, and Good Luck! :)
Please allow Christine's story to motivate you to seek help. Things have been difficult for all of us these couple of years during the pandemic. There are so many more options to help with mental health today, than in Christine's days. Please take care of yourself.
I wouldn't go through in detail what lead me to jesus, but he saved me from myself. All the medication over the decades didn't help me! It was only when I pleaded for the Lords help, he filled me with love I have never known. I hope you have found your salvation ❤🙏
We have a lot of empathy our emotions are roller coasters everyday We feel every reject We feel every laughter towards us We feel every heartbreak We feel people laughing at us or looking at us like we ird rejects. Bullying gaslighting at work church places where people can get away with it It happens people whispering and groups laughing at you and mopping you making your emotional and thinking that you're going crazy It's a horrible life but somehow most of us make it through everyday. Suicide doesn't usually happen very rarely but this beautiful young lady felt like she had no other options She felt like she wasn't seen She wasn't heard no one cared no one wanted her in her life. I wish I could have told her she is awesome She is so beautiful someone special kind of wait for her and look for her but she's gone
Because she chose to do it on air makes me have less empathy for her. She chose to shock viewers she never met, and didnt care that young children could be watching.
I’m also 30 in two weeks and have never had a girlfriend or an active sex life. It’s hard to feel like it’s possible to learn to be with another person after all the time that’s gone by. I’m not bad looking, but it’s difficult to know what’s wrong with me. Like Kristine, I get almost offended when people complement me, and I’ve only witnessed my life continue to grow smaller year after year. I’ve been seeing a mental health professional twice a week for a year now and don’t feel like I’ve made much progress. I don’t think I want to make any progress. It’s like I’m just so incredibly convinced that I can’t that what I would have to do to open up my life would be total wasted effort. I’m just to scared I suppose. I really feel for Kristine and may she Rest In Peace.
I just want you to know that I read your comment and I really hope you keep trying. Sometimes it takes a long time to find a place you belong but trust me that it is worth fighting for. There is a person or situation that will change your world for the better. Please don't give up. I'll be thinking about you.
Relax you still young, there’s a purpose why you still haven’t had a girlfriend etc.. you would understand later on. Just enjoy life, focus on other things keep your mind busy; if it makes you feel better I am 48 and I am used to being alone and love it if things change for me fine if not then fine. So stay relax,in control and at peace.
Barnabyssjones I can tell you that yes you are nice looking but that's not important. What matters is being a nice person with a good sense of humor. Please keep trying to make that connection.
I hope you are doing okay. I guess I know how you feel. I'm as old as you are and I've never been in a relationship before either. Getting attention from guys only drives me away. It's a strange dilemma, on one side I crave love and connection but on the other side it scares me to death once its offered to me. I learned two years ago that I have a personality disorder (AvPD), learning about this has helped me to understand why I feel afraid of social interactions and well... life in general really. Of course knowing this doesn't make my anxiety and self-doubts go away but it's nice to at least have a name for it, instead of feeling like the odd one out. It's made me understand that there are other people out there, who struggle in similar ways like me. And that fact, as f*ed up as that may sound, gives me some comfort. You may not have the same issue as me but I hope hearing from someone who's dealing with a similar problem can give you some comfort as well. I know how hard it is to keep going when you don't have much hope left or you feel like it's not worth the effort or simply feel like you don't have any strength left in you but try and keep going. I know this sounds corny but you really never know what's waiting for you around the next corner.
I'm a retired mental health/public heath and addictions R.N.. I appreciate how you offer a quick connect option to a crisis line! So many people are overwhelmed and don't know where to start.
There was a State Treasurer in Pennsylvania that shot himself on the air . I saw it live on the air and it freaked me out . It happened in 1987. His name was R. Budd Dwyer.
That video clip can still be found. One of the bloodiest clips a person can watch. I don't remember which musical group it was, but Bud is mentioned in one of their songs.
It's an especially tragic case, because he was being blackmailed with false allegations. I watched the clip as a teenager. The only comfort is that the lights went out immediately, he didn't feel a thing, he used a .357
Your delivery of such sensitive stories is delicately well done. Thank you for your care and ability to do so. Mental health needs more resources in the public community in my opinion. Less bombs and more psychotherapy please.
I think we need to have higher standards, we need higher precision from modern medicine, we need the facts and risks, not self promotion, also awareness at all the options. Things can improve or get worse or nothing can change, this has been documented. People should do their research before going forward, people should be financially empowered to take care of their health, or we just let people fend for themselves, medical industry sucks, we need more from them, for profit is lazy. better results and more transparency.
A lot of attention is paid to being an older male virgin in our society, but a lot less is spoken about being a female virgin and being insecure about that. I think part of the issue is the negative connotations with being a virgin, as if losing one's virginity young is any sign of achievement. Teenagers with low self-control have promiscuous relationships in an attempt to increase social status, which also increases unwanted pregnancies and a whole list of other unwanted side effects. The idea that being a virgin is somehow the same as being a loser needs to end.
Great comment. Where I live it wasn't an "achievement" to have sex early, it was something rather... shameful at an early age. I live in a conservative community which I like because there is an emphasis on morals and being chaste. So, it was more about waiting for someone special. Now days I see such young girls openly stating they are active. I feel like it's pushed by media and social media. Honestly I wouldn't have had the emotional or mental capacity to carry on a sexual relationship at a very young age. I waited until after I was 18 but in retrospect I wish I had waited for a better guy. That all being said, I can't imagine being 30 and being a virgin. It truly would cause a huge self esteem problem & then the surgery on top of that. Yes men are not the only ones out there who have this issue. Also yes, sex can and often is overrated. Having the right partner is so important but try convincing someone who is desperate of that. Weird topic. It's like wait but not too long. I think starting " The dateless wonders knitting group" didn't do her any favors for actually getting dates.
I also think it's indicative of the times when this happened, a lot of the pressure on women even in the 70's was to eventually get married and have children. Also, I think it's understandable to feel undesirable or have your mental issues even exacerbated with social issues going on for long periods of time.
As someone who’s struggled with depression and social interactions I want to thank you. It gets tiring to hear most guys claim women have it easy when it comes to sex or relationships.
“The mental health professional did not think Chubbuck was serious about not wanting to live” This saddens me that she sought help and it was denied in such form. Great video as always Dr G, congrats on the new sponsor! Yum!
I think the movie version of her sad story made some relevant points. Although I know it was fictionalized in a lot of ways, I think the way it shows how some women in her life(a co-worker, her mother) are also going through tragic lives and isolation. Yet, THEY have coping skills. They deal with it, they try to connect and soothe themselves. Christine didn’t seem to have any natural ability to connect or even cope.
Dr Grande, I think you should use the five factor model in your next Hello Fresh commercial. Something like “you can see this broccoli is high in agreeableness and low in adventure seeking traits.” And “remember, I’m not diagnosing the Hello Fresh meal, just speculating on what could be going on in a meal situation like this.”
I have such mixed thoughts about people who are suicidal and/or commit suicide. I have experienced how a family member of mine had ptsd because she found another family member who had tried to commit suicide. The impact on those around the suicidal person is tremendous, and that makes me very angry; to drag others down with them in a spiral of misery. On the other hand however, when I read (for instance) about children who are suicidal because they’re bullied I just feel so sorry for them and want to help them get better…it’s difficult.
This is so sad. I attempted suicide and failed, because of very similar reasons. Crazy to think how everything ended up changing for me soon after….had I not survived, I would have missed out on everything I wanted so badly. I can’t help but feel sad that maybe that is what happened to Christine…
Im a regular viewer of Dr.Grande's videos & am a big fan. I m not sure if he had any sponsors in his videos earlier, but Im really glad he is getting sponsors now. I love supporting my fave youtubers. Keep up the good work Dr.Grande.
I really like llistening to mental health professionals explain these difficult topics. Thank you Dr. Grande we I am so grateful for the insights that you and others like you have and share.
Yo when he said her mood was better the day she died because she felt relieved like, I felt that so deep. Editing to comment: yes, I know it’s common because I experienced it myself personally. I had a serious attempt when I was younger and had that exact feeling. It was the only relief I had felt in months if not years. It’s still hard not to run to that feeling.
@@lilianmcguigan9240 yeah so I actually experienced this when I was 14 and attempted overdose, I ended up just getting high and it was the only relief I had felt in months. I thought it was just the blissful feeling of not having to deal with it all anymore. I still have days where that “relief” sounds comforting but I keep pushing through it
Depressed people don't pretend to be depressed. They pretend to be okay.. if someone is reaching out. Reach for them.
Exactly. They live a lie basically. I don’t feel bad for this woman at all. And to do it on television. Pathetic and selfish.
@@toreckman8899 I'm shocked your comment has likes 😲
@@Reticence9zen924 feel better Biff?
Saying that someone is depressed is not enough. Why were they depressed is a more complicated question. People generally have very simple understanding of the condition. They think they have a solution, but they don't, and can often make the situations worse.
@@John_Sash feel better Johnboy?
I’ve followed Christine’s story for many decades, and I was very pleased that you avoided jokes in this video. Thank you for treating her with dignity.
Kind of a nitpick, but how are you following her story? Weird way of putting that considering he book isn't getting longer lol
@@chucklebutt4470 Different figures involved have felt freer as time has distanced them from the event, and yes - at the speed of molasses racing down a hill, actually things have been added/changed/clarified. So...I guess what you’re really putting out isn’t picking nits as much as just showing that you haven’t been following it. Hope that makes more sense to you.
Why would anyone joke about someone's death? 😿
I don't know anything about this case but I'm wondering why I keep seeing comments about people making jokes why would anybody make jokes about someone's suicide?
BUT, he used some failed logic in the analysis. It’s frequently used, but wildly incorrect. “Suicide for attention,” is failed logic. If you aren’t here for a reward, you are in fact negating any possible reward. She was desperately trying to get people to see and prevent the inevitable ending of the motto, “if it bleeds, it leads.” If media actually shared all news without prejudice instead of sensationalism, we wouldn’t be subjected to “alternative facts” and other unreal realities.
Sadly, the incident proved her point and her suicide became the story instead of the failure of media to provide dispassionate facts. She was correct in her assumptions regarding the direction of broadcast news and, unfortunately, propelled it further and faster in that direction quite literally like a shot.
If someone had been seen Christine Chubbuck on the air in the days and weeks before she killed herself, they might have thought that she had the world by the tail. She was the anchor of a local news station, she was attractive, appeared confident, and seemed on the path to a great future. But behind the scenes she was a lonely, sad and tormented woman. It goes to show that you shouldn't envy other people no matter how great their lives might first seem, because you never know what they're really dealing with in private.
I wish people knew this always instead of envying people know that each person has their own unique experience and no one knows what is inside another person's head.
Don t compare your insides by someone s outsides. 8 words.
I would not trade mine for say, a Matthew Perry.
You can never ever really know any person, especially if they don't want you to know.
She was very outwardly depressed and alone. She was critical of herself and shot down compliments anyone paid to her. Try not to make up stories in your head and present them as fact to people next time
Large chunks of my life have been destroyed by serious depression.
Amazed that she was working on such morbid topics. When I was at my worst, I couldn't go out in public.
I feel like a survivor.
You are a survivor and it is courageous when anyone who has depression faces the day. My husband has had lifelong depression. I love him very much and I know that he fights against the ANTS (automatic negative thoughts) every day. Keep up your fight too because your life has incredible value. The Bible says so. ❤️
yep i’m incredibly depressed even with medication and would never do something like this. it’s selfish and repulsive. people should save their sympathy for someone worthwhile
You are a survivor. And so am I.
I was there, in '79, I to attempted my story then as well. I take anti-depressants and it helps.
In the 70s, people didn't talk about suicide, which made people feel even more isolated and depressed. It's a sad story.
Yeah, instead now we get tv shows that romanticize suicide and get kids copying it.
@@ojyochan No we don't. That is pure bullshit.
This proves you are not wellread. Charles Dickens, Dostoevskij, Shakespeare, Kafka, and many other masters of the pen mention it often.
@@valeriemacphail9180 Sorry to interrupt your superior well read life, but I don't think any of the above authors lived in the 1970s.
@@ownedbymykitty270 The implication is there. "Back in the old days, 1970 and all the years leading up to it". Btw. Any country bumpkin can pick up a book and read. Knowledge is freely available to whoever looks for it. Superiority or inferiority has nothing to do with it. Anyway, your kitty cat is waiting to play with you.
"...This is expected. When a person decides to commit suicide their mood often gets better because they believe the end of their suffering is near"
I had to pause and stop myself from crying
@Ignirium Me too. In moments of clarity, I’m scared for myself. I hope you’re still doing okay.
@@achingaster1199 I haven't experienced anything like Christine Chubbuck has but I'm an empathic person and It's easy for me to assume/understand a persons emotional situation by simply listening to someone describe themselves, how they feel and understanding them. I love life and the inner quality of people, for me to recognize all the reasons/situations from her perspective that caused her conviction for ending her suffering, really hurt me.
I'm doing well overall, but i hope you're coping with whatever it is that scares you as you mentioned.
Same. I can't imagine . Ok, I'm actually crying now.
I have seen this in real life. My friend killed himself 3 years ago and he became super happy before he left, also told me he wanted to tell me everything about his life I didn’t know and asked my forgiveness for things that didn’t need my forgiveness.
He told me I meant a lot to him and changed his life being his friend and then the next night his body was found hung in the garage.
I actually propose a fourth theory as to why Christine did what she did: announcing it on tv would force her to go through with it. She tested this out by making a sarcastic statement, then once it was said and witnessed by both her coworkers and the viewers, she felt like she had to do it.
Just my two cents, anyway. It’s incredibly heartbreaking hearing her story. It moved me to tears.
I had not thought about Christine's situation like that. Thanks for your incite.
I think you make a pretty good point.
I agree, that makes sense to me.
It makes a lot of sense to me as well.
That’s not so far fetched, I can see that
I think what I find the saddest is that no footage of her other broadcasts have been shared, I think it'd be nice to see something of her as a human being rather than just discussion of her at the end of her life if this makes any sense
Yes
There is a bit of footage somewhere of her regular broadcasts. I saw it maybe 20 years ago. Probably on the internet somewhere.
ive saw the suicide clip - way back when on yahoo groups - i know a few others that saw it also - its nowhere to be found nowadays...
@@ftollan hardly the black and white one
@@the-np4mr its was colour - the bw one is all over the net...
My son was depressed-I tried so hard. The day that he chose to end his life-he seemed happy-I remember him coming to my home and he told me things were going so well for him (he had tried suicide before this-he even said that his first attempt at suicide felt so comforting) 2 weeks before he decided to end it-he went to his Nanas house with his favorite niece-they spent hours together-laughing and enjoying the moment-the day he decided to end it-his brother asked him to go fishing for the weekend-he said “yes-for sure”
He did it that night with my gun.
He seemed so happy-
I’m a wreck
I'm so sorry that you have suffered such a terrible loss. I can't imagine losing a child under any circumstances, but I would imagine that losing one to suicide is probably the worst way. I hope you find peace in the future.
We want to protect our children at all costs. But there is no way to protect them from themselves. Suicide prevention sometimes work. But other times, it seems that nothing can be done to stop it.
Particularly if that is what they truly believe will end their suffering. In a way it does, but the suffering that it causes to other people is huge.
After the fact the only way to find peace is to realize they made the choice and you could not stop "the car wreck from happening."
I'm so sorry for your loss! May God comfort your broken heart and spirit!
I am so sorry for your loss. It is not your fault. ❤️
😭 I send you my condolences. I have depression + more. I had thought about ending my life early before my diagnosis. That was 30 years ago. It’s rough, but I have been blessed with the only psychiatrist that has given me the right medication, and is truly caring and knew exactly what med combination worked. It took some months, but it’s working. This NEVER goes away! If you have a family member or friend who seems to be crying out for help, don’t hesitate to talk to them! You can definitely save a life!! God bless.
I am bipolar and am a single divorcee and understand wanting to have a husband and a child. I am shy and tend to get into bad relationships. I have tried to end my life in the past so I understand. I am so grateful to be here. My heart breaks for people who feel this way.
You are sweet and I understand being lonely.. sending you lots of love ❤️
Thank God you Betty. I don't know you but I care about you and I understand you're shy but babe theres sooo many groups for people just like you you can find them on your phone online or computer not even the hug ur pillow types real legit nip it in the bud therapy through everyday stuff but just with you guys
I'm glad you're still here, Betty. Trust me, the world is a much better place with you in it! Stay Strong!
Betty Gravel, you are worth while and I pray you always remember that! Life never stays the same, hold on to a better tomorrow ❤️ You have a purpose!
@@JohnnyS1cK wonderfully said!
It makes me so sad that she had told multiple people how much she was struggling.... I understand completely how it feels when no one hears you crying out.
The only thing worse is when people actively try to make others's struggles worse, because they find it funny to watch.
Especially when your own counselor says it's not a serious threat. My god how horrible poor Christine
Other people have problems too. Sometimes their problems take up their time, the idea that someone can drop their baggage and be a therapist in an instant for someone seems odd to me.
@@navykeef she wasn't asking for anyone to be her therapist (except her own, who also failed her). She just needed someone to be there for her and maybe urge her to seek professional help. Remind her that life wouldn't always feel so awful.
Hardly anyone cares or takes you seriously. Best to just let everyone go on thinking everything is ok. Ignorance is bliss.
Even when she was smiling in pictures, you could see a deep sadness in her eyes. It shows that, despite upbringing, mental illness doesn’t discriminate.
She wanted witnesses to her life. That she did exist. She felt invisible, unwanted, and unheard.
Well said!
I know! It was very sad.
Lady incel
@@FuzzyWalrus123 Officially known as a legbeard
She wanted witnesses to her death. This way, she would finally get the attention she so desperately wanted and needed. I also believe that she was on the spectrum because of her inability to connect with and create any meaningful relationships with anyone other than her family. She felt invisible and she most likely believed that her death wouldn't affect anyone or that she wouldn't be missed. She was incorrect; we're still talking about her now. What a heartbreaking story.
I can definitely relate to Chrstine's intense depression over her perceived romantic failings. I was a virgin well into my 30s and it's something that ends up being a huge source of shame in a person's life. You get into a warped state of mind where you feel like a complete fraud and failure because this one thing that is seemingly so easy for everyone else to achieve (sex and a romantic relationship) feels completely impossible and out of reach for you. it does cause you to reject compliments and makes you unable to see what others see when they look at you because while they see a normal, attractive, intelligent woman (as Christine certainly was) all you can think is that you're a mess and that there's something deeply wrong with you. it can also make you feel as if you're blocked in a infantilized state of existence where everyone else is growing up and doing adult things (like go on dates, have sex, enter serious relationships/marriage etc.) while you're stuck in a perpetual state of awkward adolescence.
What happened to her was immensely sad and the reality is, no matter how much those around us might love and care for us, depression is something that can only be overcome by ourselves.
I can so relate to this. Being disabled makes it worse. I have friends. I have family that loves me. I exercise. I have hobbies. I take care of myself. I just can't shake this. It's so fucking hard.
I wish I had been the opposite and had some respect for my sekf, I let myself be used and abused and I'm not sure I ever got over that either.
Hope you are all well and happy? God bless us all. Xxxx
Pretty sure this is only in western countires, everywhere else in the world being virgin is not that big of a deal
@@zackattack9228 just thinking of that lol. For us Asian being a" virgin" is actually good for us and better. Men take pride if a girl he will marry is a virgin. Just a culture and traditions thing per say. Nowadays if course its doesn't matter if you're virgin or not( Asian) we don't care about that anymore.
@@Mr_Reeflaythat’s a funny joke, haha. There is no major culture that is free of rigid, judgmental norms. Not one.
I feel her pain. I'm also clinically depressed. My husband died in 1993, it disintegrated my family. 6 children, 8 grandchildren. They couldn't come home to me anymore, they wanted it to be the way it was ...both mama and dada....Grammy and papa. They wanted their parents the way it was BOTH of us together. We couldn't have that anymore, they wouldn't accept the way it is. So I miss them so much and cry for all I've missed. And keep hoping. Life can hurt.
I am so sorry. I hope things get better for you.
@@marymorgan3244 Thank you Mary, your comment was very kind.
Your family should have rallied around you! Instead they made your life a living hell by not having them around anymore. I hope you have gotten therapy for it. If not and if you could afford it maybe you should try it now. Your comment made me cry. I wish I could be there for you! Much much Love
@@greatsmilesThat’s because there’s obviously a ton of details missing
I hope you see them now, and often. If one of my parents passed, I would spend even more time with them. I'm sending you hugs and prayers.
I never heard about this case, but i'm not surprised. Suicides are just buried, nil news about them everything goes silent. Weird to see that food commercial
It was fifty years ago. That could possibly be why😂
The food is triggering
There is a great deal of proof that suicide incidents, promote suicide incidents! Knowing that , what would you do?
I also uncomfortably laughed when he quickly shifted to a hello fresh sponsor, as it seemed out of place
It is known that a suicide being reported in the news correlates with an uptick in suicides for weeks after the initial report. Some news organizations prefer not to report on them because of that.
She outlined her plan and talked about being depression. Not being taken seriously was deadly.
With things like these, there's also the factor of 'oh, they've always been like that' so even if the person is getting more serious about it, people around them aren't alarmed by it
People try and reach out for help, but no one really LISTENS (sadly)
@@imogenstroud1024 if someone has ‘always been’ depressed you need to be listening to them even more
Maybe I'm naive but I do feel like we're much more aware of mental illness, signs and "cries for help" now then we were as a society then.. maybe? 😔 (Sorry for the typos 🤦🏼♀️)
@@MargotHypnos Do you know what that is like? It is a toxic situation that most people are capable of handling especially those who are effected as well. Imagine the blind trying to help the blind, that's what mental health is like, it is hit or miss, there is risk either way, not an ideal situation.
Much respect to you Dr Grande for no jokes about her in this episode.
You're pure class
he monetized her though.
He got a sponsor. They wouldn't like it.
@@roathripper he monetizes everything it's his way of making a living. Let's stay on topic and see why he didn't make his usual jokes 🤔🧐
@@roathripperDo you realize how many hours people put into recording, editing, and uploading content to RUclips? Grande uploads almost DAILY.
Those are hours out of his life, dude. If he's going to commit so much time to entertaining us with this kind of content he should absolutely be compensated for it. I mean, come on. You wouldn't want to work for free.
@@jamaaldavis6243 profiting off of human tragedy is not a good look IMO. He's chasing the utube swag and losing his moral and clinical objectivity.
My sister took her own life in 2018 after two years of her family doing everything we could and spending all the money she needed for help. After her second attempt, her psychiatrist told us it was rare that someone who attempted more than once didn’t eventually succeed. As Dr. Grande noted, it was exactly like watching a train wreck in slow motion. Tragic but not surprising conclusion. 💔 I hope someday they will have the right treatments for severe depression.
Very sorry for your loss
I and very sorry you lost your sister to this disease.❤
I'm very sorry for your loss 💔
I feel for the mother; she was torn between reaching out to the work place on behalf of her daughter’s depression for fear it would make things worse & Christine would lose her job…
It’s incredibly sad.
I feel at the very end that she was overcome with extreme anger. She was tired of never being noticed, never being able to understand, and never having relationships. The fact that she knew that an on-air suicide would be gruesome and hard to fathom was her one GUARANTEED way to get noticed, while ending her sadness at the same time. "I'll show everyone to NEVER forget who I am."
Which is irrational because she can't celebrate the fact that she was noticed because she's dead.
@@chrisking6695 mental illness is irrational
Why do so many people think it is fake then?
@@chrisking6695 well no shit its irrational, she was clearly in a very very poor mental state
Awe. Poor baby. How she ended her life is indicative of how she lived. Selfishly.
You can see the severe depression in her eyes. You can hide depression from others but only to a certain point.
B Wolf what? That makes no sense
You can see the sadness behind their eyes. I always saw it in Robin Williams' eyes.
@@music_games_more Yes,for sure. He laughed out loud,and cried inside.🌫☹
While this can certainly be true, I wonder if this has more to do with hindsight bias? Based on what we've seen/read about her through media we know that she was severely depressed so when we look back at old pictures of her we tend to think her sadness and dissatisfaction was "visually" obvious. But if a photograph of her was presented to people with no context about her condition/death most of them may have very well thought she was absolutely normal or that there was nothing wrong with her.
In hindsight sure but before she committed, no
I saw a movie about her life, simply titled, Christine. I had never heard of her before that. I struggle with Clinical Depression too, but by the Grace of God, I keep chugging away.
I feel great compassion for her. I wish her life had been better for her. ❤
Edit: Thank you, Dr Grande for your analysis. I enjoy your channel very much. Happy Thanksgiving 🍽♥️
I’m a 31 y.o woman & never have any boyfriend in my life. Sometimes I do wonder why I was made this way. I’m not good looking & I have health issues. I feel like I am not worthy. I do have thoughts that I better disappear. Sometimes when people compliment me I’d brush them off. However my love of movies & music makes me less depressed. There’s so many things I can enjoy alone. I earn money from my job & at least I feel happy to go shopping (although I have no friends & mostly alone).
This is too sad. If I were friends with her, I’d definitely hug her & tell her she’s not alone.
Hold on friend. You're valid like everyone else. We are lucky to be born in the digital age. Christine wasn't so. Let's be happy with what we have even if little.
I can relate. I would do the same
@@falconeshield Thank you and I will. At least I can enjoy nice videos, movies & music from RUclips or Spotify. And they keep me busy in my lonely time. Well at least I earn some money & I can buy clothes I love and wear them happily. Small things like these make it more bearable indeed.
I feel ya! Im the guy version of ya
To this precious woman with a BEAUTIFUL soul. You are SPECIAL and needed in this world.
The amount of times she so clearly expressed cries for help with minimal response is so sad.
How do you know she was genuine? Many people may have tried to help her - and she refused their advice and support. Maybe she made it impossible to help, by demanding a certain kind of help and declining all others. Narcissists are impossible to help, usually. They say "no" to everything. They won't try any kind of healing if it doesn't give them a pay off in some way
@@pm2886 You know what, after watching this again and reading additional coverage of this...I think you have a great point. An article I read solidified a change in viewpoint: '...minister Thomas Beason delivered the eulogy stating, "We suffer at our sense of loss, we are frightened by her rage, we are guilty in the face of her rejection, we are hurt by her choice of isolation and we are confused by her message."...' It sounds like people most likely did help but it sounds like she turned it down. But she did hint at her plans kill herself on air and one person took it as a joke and told no one. Her mother suspected doom as well but didn't say anything in order to keep her daughter's job safe. It's not those people's fault for not speaking up but if we see or hear things like this it's best not to keep them silent. Like Dr. Grande said at the end...lessons learned.
@@pm2886 many people who depressed or have other mental health do avoid anything especially help.
Yes. It bothers me that no one work listened to her but again it wasn't talked about in the 70S
@@pm2886 I understand but she did see a psychiatrist. Maybe it wasn't a very good psychiatrist
Dying on Air was a statement, one expressing the depth of her loneliness and sense of alienation.
I believe she died on air so that people such as you and me would watch a video about her many years past 1974. Literally, gone but never forgotten.
I also believe that. It was an expression of grief and possibly anger at the world that rejected her, a look at what you’ve done, if you will.
@@heatheryfeathery1 , if this was my decision i would be taking taking a few with me !
Don't romanticize suicide.
@@nelsonmcpal3414 romanticize ! I'm living on the edge of life.
My aunt took her own life in 1975. I don’t think people back then in the 70s looked at mental health the way we do today. I remember a lot of anger after she did it instead of empathy with what she was going through. Very sad time in my family’s history.
I'm really sorry to hear that my friend 🙏
I hope society becomes more empathetic for people in your Aunt's situation.
God bless her soul
Peace be with you all ❤️
So sorry no one really heard her.
Seems like she defined herself by the friends/boyfriends she felt she "should" have. Love comes from within, you need to have it for yourself before you can give it to another.
I applaud you Dr Grande for covering these difficult stories and doing it with such dignity, this can be the reality of mental health conditions unfortunately.
It shows how complex mental ill health is I can't imagine how her parents felt knowing people saw her do that to herself
This video has touched me in a deep way A very sad set of circumstances
What is the reality of mental health conditions? That Dr. grande covers them with dignity? Bizarre nonsensical comment.
And yet you've wasted your time not only reading it but also replying to it, that seems "nonsensical" to me.@@JuxJacy
This shows you the cognitive dissonance of "I'm not worthy" "I'm unlovable" "I'm inadequate" a lot of black and white thinking and so much more. If anyone out there is hearing this, just know that you are a great person. You are loved, and that you are worthy of love and to be loved
Not all of us.
Thank you
@@Kyutenessss you're welcome
💕
If you think I'm a great person, then you've obviously never met me.
She was an extremely beautiful woman. With a beautiful heart it’s so disheartening that she never had the chance to meet someone that would make her feel special
Nobody else can make you feel special if you don’t love yourself first. She obviously didn’t. So sad.
@@amygalvin1799maybe you need some1 to show you first
Yes she was pretty. So she would have had it easy finding a partner. Maybe she just didn't make the guys feel comfortable.
looks aren’t everything. she likely couldn’t find a partner because, evident from her death, she was a selfish and unlikeable human being
Perhaps the very thing that made her want love is the same thing she tried to hide from the world... Poor girl, she must have felt so trapped...
Indeed a beautiful lady but perhaps something she wasn't prepared to admit to herself
I learned from her tragedy to never not take someone seriously when they are contemplating taking their own life, and i think if someone trusts you enough to tell you how they feel then please get help for them ❤
As someone who has been severely depressed most of my life people can't handle my dark thoughts. I am 54. I learned how far I can say how I feel without scaring people or being admitted to the hospital. Decades ago the mental health hospitals used to actually help. They had your days planned out with different types of therapies. You were not allowed to sleep all day. The staff treated patients with respect. Years ago mental health hospitals changed to just keeping a person looked in the building but not offering treatment. I already have a Dr. and counselor so the hospital Dr. basically just goes over my meds. No one truly understands. My family cares very much but it is also hard on them. They get angry sometimes because they want to "fix" you but know they can't. All of the treatments (non medicine ones) are still to expensive to get. Electroshock, Ketamine, TMS, medical marijuana. I have been approved for all of those things but even with insurance my co pays are too much. I completely understand why the lady did that on TV. No one understands the depths ones mind can go unless you have been there.
This made me want to get help immediately. I relate to her so much and I’m in denial about it but I see so much of myself in her and it scared me. I’m so sorry to her and her family.
that’s exactly how i feel. i am downright scared by how much i see myself in her.
How are you doing now?
I hope you're doing better now
That could be true. But also remember if u were experiencing this after watching the movie u could also be adapting "main character vibes". Cuz I kinda felt it too. But then I realised I feel that after watching so many movies true or fiction...
Just checking in to see how everyone who commented is doing?❤
This young woman was beautiful, smart, funny, creative, and sensitive. She had so much to give to the world--if only she saw it. For anyone reading this, you are here for a reason. You were created for a specific purpose, including calling others into their purpose, to Love, and to allow Love into your life. Don't give up.
Depression is the great liar.
It is the worst feeling I know of when you’re aware you have an illness like this, and you can feel it stopping you from living up to your potential.
But you didn't know her. Also what good is it that you can give stuff to the world when it doesn't get you you what you want? That sounds very selfish from us. Maybe she was right to cheer up at the prospect of the end to her agony, just wish it would have been less gruesome.
@@A_Box well the problem is that there is no coming back from death. You can’t come back from it. Well if your body’s already stiff anyway/ 4 hours. The suffering in life may have come to an end if she stayed alive. Also, giving of oneself to the world is not selfish of the world, the ‘world’ doesn’t care either way. However, it’s courageous, heroic, and gracious of the person.
@megalop2015 ..Well said! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
This one haunts me. I've felt this too, feeling unheard, unseen, and wanting to end it all. There's so much pain behind her eyes, I wish something could have been done. It's one of those situations where, I wasn't even born then, but I wish I could go back in time and just say 'I know how you feel. I'm here to listen. How can I help you.'
God bless you with courage, comfort, strength and healing! Lord, give them your peace, provision, blessing and a special sense of your presence. Please keep on keeping on. We need you.
Bless you ❤ I hope you have joy and peace in your life 😊🙏
I lost my brother to suicide. He had a similar problem with the dichotomy of either good things are happening therefore life is worth living/bad things are happening therefore life is no longer worth living. I have learned from this to at least teach my children that in as much as possible celebrate not only victories but also the defeats the life deals you. In fact often, the hardest and darkest times of our lives are where we learn the most.
Why, why, why would a therapist (psychiatrist) NOT believe her suicidal ideation? Thanks for your kindness sir, in telling us about this sad story.
Sadly, there are a few poor mental health practitioners out there. I had a toxic one, and was just lucky to get away from him before more damage was done. I don’t get why they seek out such a career field if they don’t care about helping people
@@jenh6247 I'm surely glad you got away!
The formula is that if the patient doesn't have a plan the risk is low. I was always amused by this rule because do they think patients tell everything if they are truly suicidal?
It happens a lot, unfortunately
@@jenh6247 Same thing happened to me. I can only assume they just treat it as a day job and don’t care too much about their impact on people, it really felt like my counsellor was reading off a script off at times.
I'm supposed to be cleaning my apartment, but I saw the notification and now I'm going to binge watch Dr. Grande. It's important to set priorities in your life
😁
@Darryl Darichuk, the world may never know 🦉
I agree!!!!
@Darryl Darichuk I can't do both at the same time...I love Dr. Grande and his videos too much to be distracted
@@craigduncan4826 I really hope you get the help u need before you do something that would hurt so many people
it's insane how many people she told about her thoughts, but no one took them seriously then so they never even acted or asked her to explain. the terrible culture back then just reinforced those feelings that no one cared about her. rest in peace
The terrible culture back then??????
@@latinaalma1947 Absolutely. Mental illness was not something talked about, people suffering as such were certainly not embraced. We are living in kinder times.
i can tell why no one cared about her, she was incredibly selfish. everyone seems to feel bad for her, but what about the innocent people watching that broadcast that were subjected to that?
@@char5435 They'll move on. She never will.
@@latinaalma1947 Society is worse now.
Christine’s story always interested me. Probably because I can relate to her on so many levels. Ever since I found out about her at 13 years old, I always sympathized with her and understood her pain. I’m now 22 years old and I still do. Feeling like you don’t exist to people and nobody caring to listen to what you have to say that’s on your mind and all is very frustrating. I suffer from depression, anxiety, and bipolar so I know it’s very frustrating and knowing it was especially frustrating for her.
I feel bad for Christine. I know someone that attempted suicide. She said she reached out for help and she didn't receive any. I don’t understand how some people can ignore a cry for help.
Sometimes people get so overwhelmed with their own lives and they dont know how to help. 😪 They may simply not know what to do one day. It just takes 1 time not to be there for someone w severe depression. You can be there 100xs but 101 you really were too exhausted or just didnt know how to handle it and bam its over. 😢😢
I tried twice. It was via bottles of aspirin. No one really understood.
Im not mad at them. They didn’t know better.
A lot of people say that they would be there for a mentally ill person if they need help but don't realise what that task may entail, so when the time comes to help many may ignore them because they suddenly realise they really do not want that level or kind of responsibility. I don't think it's anyone's duty to commit themselves to that task particularly if they're also struggling mentally themselves, but at the same time, it can only make it more frustrating to the ill person to hear that they would get support if they open up, only to be met with none because others only said it to seem comforting and out of moral obligation. It can just exacerbate feelings of loneliness in some. Proper mental health treatment just needs to be made much more accessible so that doesn't happen. I think the blame should fall mostly on the mental health professionals who saw these patients but failed to listen and properly assess them with regard to likelihood of suicide because that's literally their jobs.
unfortunately it's probably just more complicated than that.
@@Kyutenessss that's exactly right.
Very sad. She needed help. It’s too bad the things that could have helped her never came together for her. No one should ever feel that suicide is their only solution.
More people have killed themselves than have died in war. The brain breaks and cannot make any chemicals to allow you to endure it.
@@camogrrl How do you know that? Just asking.
It really is too bad we live in a world where you have a better chance of surviving many cancers than having any long term remission of serious depression. No different than it was for those born with asthma in the 15th century. Arbitrarily cruel, but that’s the way it’s been to people forever.
I have bipolar. 25 to 60% of us will attempt suicide at least once in our life (depending on the study)
I've been suicidal try to kill myself in a car accident but came through disfigured and disabled.
I was in torment because of my narcissism and need to control everything that existed in my life.
I learned from the incident that I control nothing but my response to my reaction towards situations.
I am thankful for surviving and I grateful for every day that God grant me to live.
My egotistical view of a good life was a delusional empty existing.
I now live.
@@fatimaamerson3232
Bravo! Stay safe and strong!
I feel horrible about her life. They finally acknowledged her life a few years ago with 2 movies about her life. Even that took over 40 years. Sad. 🙏
My dad committed suicide publicly. A whole additional layer of grief hit when I heard how he chose to end. I really struggle with how loud his cry was, because he was a private sufferer.
Her story is so heartbreaking. She considered herself undateable but she was such an interesting and objectively attractive woman. Imagine how much different her life would have been if she just had a relationship. ugh I wish I could have done something to help her. Rest in Peace Christine. ❤
I agree! I'm 30 and I would welcome a girl like that into my life, easy. She seemed like a kind person.
Theres not such a thing as objective beauty. Although I agree with you, she was very attractive
@@kenfryer2090She only had 2 dates in her life so it doesn’t sound like she ever had a relationship. So much for any empathy for her mental health status since you speculated it would have been a “nightmare” to be in a relationship with her.
she probably was undateable since she was such a selfish person 😭
The most abrupt, unnatural cut to a sponsor I have ever seen. Liked.
I seriously thought it was an ad, i tried to skip it😂
Love the channel but this felt somehow inappropriate.
I know where this is all leading.
Next we'll be forced to witness Dr G's 'Reacting to...' videos.
OOTD.
Room Tour.
Best Friend Chooses My Outfits.
and of course 'My Anxiety and Self-Image Issues'
It’s exactly what I expected, 11/10
Same!
I see so many similarities with this woman and myself. Not the suicidal thoughts right now but the personality and lifestyle traits are so much like my own.
Me too. I am 46, not married and no children. I have given up on marriage and at 46, I'm too to have children. Sometimes I am overwhelmed with loneliness but I do appreciate my family and friends
Classic example of the ideation becoming realized. Horribly sad and no doubt this woman suffered. Rest in peace Christine.
I struggle every day with depression. It is a horrible state to live in and it is invisible so not many people understand or even know what is going for the person.
Electro shock therapy could help
I'm so sorry. I hope you are doing ok today and have some peace of mind.
Been dealing with this shit for decades
There's always hope. Sorry to hear about your situation. Please consult an alternative medicine practitioner. Dr. Mark Hyman, is one of many that has shown to help people with depression. He written books about healing. He's has a clinic in Ma.
@@kevinmalone3210 Thank you
"she appeared to be in a extremely good mood. this was expected, when a person decides to commit suicide their mood often gets better because they believe the end of their suffering is near" same
I hope you don’t really mean the same for you….
Can relate to her internal thoughts so much. The inability to attract a partner can truly drive someone insane. Like trying to not sleep at all for years and years
She suffered. But she caused so many others suffering because of the trauma from seeing her suicide. Overall a terrible situation.
yep and no one talks about that part. like sure feel bad for her if you want, but i feel bad for the REAL victims, the innocent people just trying to watch tv that day who were subjected to watching that
I tossed and turned all night last night...At 4 AM I decided to check on your channel and I clicked on this video. Apparently I fell asleep within 4 minutes. Your videos are sooo calming. No annoying loud music/sounds. No annoying ads every 5 minutes. No super bright white blinding lighting. Thank you Dr. Grande🙏
low key I treat dr grande as informative asmr , I bet I'm not alone
Congratulations on the sponsorship 💅🏾, Dr. Grande officially a clouted RUclipsr 😂
YES👏🏽
That was some serious ad whiplash.
Yeah. I went, what!
Haha!
But I could feel some of that Dr Grande humor, deadpan, and analysis slipping in to the add.... these are going to be awesome eventually
I can relate to most everything that y’all are sharing and just want to say thank you for this conversation. I hope you all have better days ahead and call someone if you think you might need to. Don’t wait until tomorrow. Be safe and healthy
Amazing analysis and narration, and the best thing ever, I don't have to shove my face in this tiny screen, I still can do my work and listen, it is like I can see everything, precise, clear, soothing, absolutely not distracting, detailed but also cery summerized, so natural talent you have doctor sir! 😊
I also learned two new words today. This is perfect, I am going through all your videos and I don't want to comment on every single one of them, I feel embarrassed doing so, so I comment on few chosen ones.
Thank you doctor, I mean it, I do really appreciate your work, and the lack of ads, this is like heavens.
It is extremely difficult to work with Major Depression and you can even be lured into a false sense of trust to talk to your boss- but it NEVER ends well for the person with depression. People ARE shunned and seen as a liability and just a downer to the boss's day. I know it very well. I have to hold it all in when I go to the office and pretend. And it is exhausting which just makes the depression worse. And I am then constantly tired and on days I don't have to work I just hide away. It is a neverending treadmill and you DO just want it to stop. And you want someone to take it seriously - well everyone probably. Which may be why Christine chose that way to express her pain.
My boss found out through someone else I talked to at work, who, obviously told the boss and I got fired.
@@marcusboddington7554 Because the boss probably lived a comfortable life.
@@Helicopterpilot16 They all think they are perfect.
@@marcusboddington7554 No, because they have a relatively comfortable living and don't care who they beat down in the process.
Partly when the modern American workforce/culture is incredibly narcissistic and sociopathic.
I've spoken to people in European countries. Sure, they have faults like everywhere else but the culture isn't nearly as toxic.
@@Helicopterpilot16 Narcissism is Pandemic and has been for a long time. I agree it is worst in the West. Overt, covert, invert, vulnerable, fragile, the whole spectrum, all the way up to sociopath and psychopath.
My intuition tells me this woman may have had a covert narcissist parent who psychologically abused her, the family scapegoat. The narcissist deliberately invalidates the needs and emotions of the scapegoated child.
You just have to get used to boredom to get rid of depression. Being bored is what triggered my depression the most. Boredom triggers loneliness. I just slowly trained myself to be content and the depression finally disapeared.
Thanks for covering this story. I've always been interested in the unfortunate incident. I understand I'm way late but gotta give you love for your amazing content ❤
This case is so horrific! Thank you so much for covering it with so much respect and empathy ❤️❤️❤️
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Yes but I think the Hello Fresh commercial should have either been at the beginning or the end.
Yes it was handled with great respect and HELLO FRESH dignity.
As always
@J N what are you talking about? Are you mistaking me for someone else?
I grieve the pain suffered by every person who has taken their own life. I’m so sorry that this lovely woman could not get the help she needed.
very sad story...she was an attractive girl......
As someone who has suffered from mental illness almost my entire life, and a suicide survivor, I am exceptionally sensitive to others who are depressed, anxious, and suicidal. I feel so sorry for Christine.
As a person who has gone through feeling suicidal and basically ignored when reaching out, I can tell you that as far as my experience it was frustrating being ignored. It really reinforces the idea that nobody cares. I have one person who cares in my life who did reach out back to me which really helped. But for me, I have been in undiagnosed Intractable pain from both a mystery illness and extreme arthritis. Its the way the medical profession was treating me that really pushed me into a " no way to fix this" mindset. The way people in physical pain are disregarded by doctors who don't seem to care about quality of life is producing a group of people who do not want to live with pain that keeps you from being productive. What saved me was finally getting a doctor who was willing to listen to me and point me in the direction of at least trying to find out whats going on. But mostly my son being with me through all this pain. I'm sorry she felt there was no other way. I hope she is at peace now.
I was fired for. the symptoms of bipolar depression, more than once. Symptoms included tearfulness, anxiety that causes cognitive processing difficulties, and others. With treatment I do okay, but one is never forgiven for having mental illness. The stigma of mental illness is very potent, and the idea of mental illness is used to explain away behavior that is just bad. If I hear one more person say something like "She's off her meds" I may just scream.
In my experience, employment discrimination for mental illness is as common as age discrimination, and just as easy to deny.
Dr Grande, it would be great if you could do a video on mental illness stigma.
Yeah is like mental illness is like having a felony and went to prison so jobs don't like it.
In all reality, that can be extremely disruptive for the entire workplace. People need to find jobs where they are not disruptive to others, it's not discrimination. We do need more access for ALL better medical care, not just mental illness.
@@Lunarstruck1Are you being serious? Try telling this to someone who has an obvious/physical impairment… How is having a mental impairment different?
You need help.
Well if you constantly cry and could not complete your duties, you were not fire for your mental illness, you fire for not being able to complete your duties. Because if you were fired for having a mental illness, they are just asking to be sued for discrimination. So stop with the woe is me and actually take some responsibility. Having mental health illness does not excuse you of responsibility.
How would they even know unless you told them. In that case, they would avoid it.
This was in my hometown, Sarasota, and believe me we were shocked in the community in 74. Thanks for exploring this tragic story. The story was that she was overwhelmed by all the violence which she, as a broadcast journalist, was overexposed to. Remember the Vietnam War was still going on and society was in turmoil. And she was probably too sensitive to handle it all.
Edit: the matter was hushed up in short order. Sad.
I read similar also that she was being bullied by the men in the newsroom and there was a lot of sexism in the industry in general.
I remember that another tv news reporter, a man, did the same thing, the 80's I think, at a FLA station.
@@sandrasanders706 you're not thinking of Budd Dwyer are you? I'm in the journalism industry and I'm not familiar with an incident like you describe.
holy moly. I had never heard about this until today when I found your channel and listened to many different videos. It’s so interesting how you explain everything and let us know about how people think. It’s so chilling.
There is a movie about Christine, I can't remember the name, but you can rent it. It was a good movie.
I really appreciate how you relayed Christine’s story and her mental health analysis without showing any judgement towards her. Hers is such a sad story, and it’s sad how people who commit suicide are often stigmatised or blamed as attention seeking.
Cable news is probably one of the worst things you could expose yourself to if you have depression. Geez that was morbid
why?
Toxic workplace
@@immanuelhall4577 I can’t say for her, naturally, but when I’m in a really dark episode, hearing anything about politics, crime, or awfulness in humanity adds some “public” hopelessness to my personal hopelessness. I need to avoid it if I feel myself getting dark.
@@birnamwoodfan hey thats true. when i'm exposed to news that happen somewhere in the world its often negative news; where this country is arguing with this country, this country is opressing these people, this person killed that person, this prominent person is not a good person. its all just conflict. it makes me depressed about the dark things that happen in our world and i cry during those times more than any other time. whats really helped me is to work on my passion.
Agreed. I saw the movie, and there was a time she was having a psychotic episode on air. The camera person even stopped like wtf?? Because Christine was in a zone.. stuck in her mind, and that showed on air.
That was the best Hello Fresh sponsorship ad I've ever seen.
I agree
It’s a huge inspiration for me. My voice overs suck.
We tried it for a while. It is very good. (we might start it up again - it was fun getting the boxes too)
Why did I find it so adorable? The sight of Dr Grande’s oven and carrot distribution technique has somehow made my day.
Ditto!
Sometimes people have to ask themselves “am I the problem?” and if they never do they may become very depressed. But if you realize that it’s you who need to change then you might just do it and things will go better
As someone who had to endure threats of suicide for many years, it’s hard for me to get past the anger I feel when people are so selfish! Yes, it’s sad on many levels, and I do feel sad for her family and friends. However, if you really want to die, go be fish food! There’s no need to traumatize a whole bunch of people… Especially people you don’t even know that’s just selfish. And like mean people, selfish people suck!
Yay, Dr Grande, love Hello Fresh❣️ In 1974, I was seeing a psychiatrist/psychoanalyst after a divorce. I told him I no longer wanted to live. The best advice anyone has ever given to me: “Don’t do it; your children will never recover.” Isn’t it sad when we cannot live for ourselves rather than for others. I am sad that there was nothing she cared about enough to not continue to live. Her mother lives with the pain of losing her child.
The philosophical question of if or when suicide is appropriate is certainly complicated. I would never encourage anyone to take their own life. My mother did and I never harbored much of a resentment towards her. She is at peace now. She also went through years of therapy and medication after a traumatic experience and eventually the pain was to great for her to bare. I don't think it was done on a whim. And I'm sure she weighed the consequences to those that loved her. I'm sure it was not an easy choice. The fire must have been at her back and so she jumped from this world and hopefully into a better one. Rip mom.
I don’t know why but seeing dr grande make food was so heartwarming.
That 'public announcement', i.e. advertisement was out of ordinary grande videos. also the food looked quite bad ;) WAIT 12 free meals including shipping? I'm a hungry Finn.
Free food changes the equation, what's the catch? ;)
Pretty sure the ship would get stuck in Öresund or something ;)
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@@jokusekovaan Not worth the trouble. Just order some lean cuisine frozen dinners from you're local grocery. It's nearly the same thing! And way less expensive! 😆
@@LDiamondz or learn to cook
I can't believe I never heard of this. I'm in tears, how sad she must have been. Of course my heart goes out to her family as well. For many years the only thing that kept me alive was knowing how devastated my family would be if I were to take my life.
I relate to this case. I am almost her age and have never had any romantic relationship, and I don't know what it feels to have true friends. To be honest, at the beginning I did not experience any kind of depression or sadness because of my extreme isolation, but like since 2 years ago or maybe a little bit more, it has starting to hitting me hard. And if you add these to the many problems that I already have, uffff I am not gonna lie, but it becomes super hard and even more when you do not have someone to talk to, to trust, to communicate your feelings, etc..... I just want everything to change. I have heard "everything is temporary", hopefully that is true.
Good luck to everybody 😀
Journal your thoughts AND feelings. Get sunlight, good sleep, and get vitamin D3 & Vitamin B12. And lastly meditate - whatever type of meditation works best for you. The Real Work is the journaling and communicating with parts of your mind (subconscious/unconscious) about what is bothering you AT THE CORE - that is prohibiting you from BEING the Person you want to be, so that you can Have what you want in life (personal, love life, business, etc.). You gotta be really HONEST with yourself. Only YOU know how YOU really feel about things, and what YOU really want.. Then find a solution by using intuition, logic, and rationality.
It's not about having the stuff (material, achieving goals, relationships) it's more about being the person you love, that you love how you are from the inside. Lastly, a huge helper - I know it's a cliche but - FUCK what people think about you - even family. You got one life bro, stop trying to live up to anybody's else's expectations, they don't know what you want, how things make you feel. Do and be who the fuck you want be. Be strong bro, and Good Luck! :)
Please allow Christine's story to motivate you to seek help. Things have been difficult for all of us these couple of years during the pandemic. There are so many more options to help with mental health today, than in Christine's days. Please take care of yourself.
Hugs, hope you’re doing well.
I feel way better. Thanks 😀
I wouldn't go through in detail what lead me to jesus, but he saved me from myself. All the medication over the decades didn't help me! It was only when I pleaded for the Lords help, he filled me with love I have never known. I hope you have found your salvation ❤🙏
Lack of empathy is right, there’s a lot of that going around.
We have a lot of empathy our emotions are roller coasters everyday We feel every reject We feel every laughter towards us We feel every heartbreak We feel people laughing at us or looking at us like we ird rejects. Bullying gaslighting at work church places where people can get away with it It happens people whispering and groups laughing at you and mopping you making your emotional and thinking that you're going crazy It's a horrible life but somehow most of us make it through everyday. Suicide doesn't usually happen very rarely but this beautiful young lady felt like she had no other options She felt like she wasn't seen She wasn't heard no one cared no one wanted her in her life. I wish I could have told her she is awesome She is so beautiful someone special kind of wait for her and look for her but she's gone
Because she chose to do it on air makes me have less empathy for her. She chose to shock viewers she never met, and didnt care that young children could be watching.
I’m also 30 in two weeks and have never had a girlfriend or an active sex life. It’s hard to feel like it’s possible to learn to be with another person after all the time that’s gone by. I’m not bad looking, but it’s difficult to know what’s wrong with me. Like Kristine, I get almost offended when people complement me, and I’ve only witnessed my life continue to grow smaller year after year. I’ve been seeing a mental health professional twice a week for a year now and don’t feel like I’ve made much progress. I don’t think I want to make any progress. It’s like I’m just so incredibly convinced that I can’t that what I would have to do to open up my life would be total wasted effort. I’m just to scared I suppose. I really feel for Kristine and may she Rest In Peace.
I just want you to know that I read your comment and I really hope you keep trying. Sometimes it takes a long time to find a place you belong but trust me that it is worth fighting for. There is a person or situation that will change your world for the better. Please don't give up. I'll be thinking about you.
@@kimberlymarino7344 thanks kimberly that's really cool of you
Relax you still young, there’s a purpose why you still haven’t had a girlfriend etc.. you would understand later on. Just enjoy life, focus on other things keep your mind busy; if it makes you feel better I am 48 and I am used to being alone and love it if things change for me fine if not then fine. So stay relax,in control and at peace.
Barnabyssjones I can tell you that yes you are nice looking but that's not important. What matters is being a nice person with a good sense of humor. Please keep trying to make that connection.
I hope you are doing okay. I guess I know how you feel. I'm as old as you are and I've never been in a relationship before either. Getting attention from guys only drives me away. It's a strange dilemma, on one side I crave love and connection but on the other side it scares me to death once its offered to me. I learned two years ago that I have a personality disorder (AvPD), learning about this has helped me to understand why I feel afraid of social interactions and well... life in general really. Of course knowing this doesn't make my anxiety and self-doubts go away but it's nice to at least have a name for it, instead of feeling like the odd one out. It's made me understand that there are other people out there, who struggle in similar ways like me. And that fact, as f*ed up as that may sound, gives me some comfort. You may not have the same issue as me but I hope hearing from someone who's dealing with a similar problem can give you some comfort as well. I know how hard it is to keep going when you don't have much hope left or you feel like it's not worth the effort or simply feel like you don't have any strength left in you but try and keep going. I know this sounds corny but you really never know what's waiting for you around the next corner.
I'm a retired mental health/public heath and addictions R.N.. I appreciate how you offer a quick connect option to a crisis line! So many people are overwhelmed and don't know where to start.
I’m totally amazed at how astute and scholarly your videos are tremendous job
People be like- "Don't worry, be happy"
Me- Uhm, that's not how it works.
exactly
RIGHT
After watching kids and families getting shot and bombed in the middleast..our lives aint that bad after all
@@stivi739 ikr!!@
Huh
There was a State Treasurer in Pennsylvania that shot himself on the air . I saw it live on the air and it freaked me out . It happened in 1987. His name was R. Budd Dwyer.
I was looking through the comments to see if anyone would mention that. It was really shocking!
Yeah. That was ‘87. Christine was ‘74.
That video clip can still be found. One of the bloodiest clips a person can watch. I don't remember which musical group it was, but Bud is mentioned in one of their songs.
@@perplexetic Thanks. I couldn't remember the group or the name of the song.
It's an especially tragic case, because he was being blackmailed with false allegations. I watched the clip as a teenager. The only comfort is that the lights went out immediately, he didn't feel a thing, he used a .357
Quite often people want their pain to be witnessed, it's a sad story, even her therapist didn't take her seriously..... kindness can't be legislated.
Loneliness and unrequited love is a dangerous combination. RIP and RIL Christine. Thank you doctor.
Your delivery of such sensitive stories is delicately well done. Thank you for your care and ability to do so. Mental health needs more resources in the public community in my opinion. Less bombs and more psychotherapy please.
@@craigduncan4826 I had no issues with that, I had issues with the self promotion and the jab at skeptics.
I think we need to have higher standards, we need higher precision from modern medicine, we need the facts and risks, not self promotion, also awareness at all the options. Things can improve or get worse or nothing can change, this has been documented. People should do their research before going forward, people should be financially empowered to take care of their health, or we just let people fend for themselves, medical industry sucks, we need more from them, for profit is lazy. better results and more transparency.
@@Tethloach1 What do you mean by self promotion and sceptics?
@@lynncrf video was good up until 16:10 - end of video
"successful"
There is still a stigma associated with seeking therapy we need culture changes.
A lot of attention is paid to being an older male virgin in our society, but a lot less is spoken about being a female virgin and being insecure about that. I think part of the issue is the negative connotations with being a virgin, as if losing one's virginity young is any sign of achievement. Teenagers with low self-control have promiscuous relationships in an attempt to increase social status, which also increases unwanted pregnancies and a whole list of other unwanted side effects. The idea that being a virgin is somehow the same as being a loser needs to end.
You're not really missing much, most of the time.
Sex can be very overrated
Great comment. Where I live it wasn't an "achievement" to have sex early, it was something rather... shameful at an early age. I live in a conservative community which I like because there is an emphasis on morals and being chaste. So, it was more about waiting for someone special. Now days I see such young girls openly stating they are active. I feel like it's pushed by media and social media. Honestly I wouldn't have had the emotional or mental capacity to carry on a sexual relationship at a very young age. I waited until after I was 18 but in retrospect I wish I had waited for a better guy. That all being said, I can't imagine being 30 and being a virgin. It truly would cause a huge self esteem problem & then the surgery on top of that. Yes men are not the only ones out there who have this issue. Also yes, sex can and often is overrated. Having the right partner is so important but try convincing someone who is desperate of that. Weird topic. It's like wait but not too long. I think starting " The dateless wonders knitting group" didn't do her any favors for actually getting dates.
I also think it's indicative of the times when this happened, a lot of the pressure on women even in the 70's was to eventually get married and have children. Also, I think it's understandable to feel undesirable or have your mental issues even exacerbated with social issues going on for long periods of time.
As someone who’s struggled with depression and social interactions I want to thank you. It gets tiring to hear most guys claim women have it easy when it comes to sex or relationships.
Thank you for this, Dr. Grande.
You have a real gift at explaining very complex concepts in a way that anyone can understand. I'm glad you're here on RUclips! 🥰
“The mental health professional did not think Chubbuck was serious about not wanting to live” This saddens me that she sought help and it was denied in such form.
Great video as always Dr G, congrats on the new sponsor! Yum!
There's something to be said about doing it on live TV. Same for Bud Dwyer. These cases are very unique.
It makes you wonder what else the therapist thought was more relevant. This would be pretty high on the list.
Those allegations should never be taken lightly. I hope the psychiatrist resigned after hearing of her suicide.
@@AJgypsy3 Spokesperson for psychology.
Sadly relatable.
Your calm rational yet principled thought process is a breath of fresh air.
I think the movie version of her sad story made some relevant points. Although I know it was fictionalized in a lot of ways, I think the way it shows how some women in her life(a co-worker, her mother) are also going through tragic lives and isolation. Yet, THEY have coping skills. They deal with it, they try to connect and soothe themselves. Christine didn’t seem to have any natural ability to connect or even cope.
I think she was trying to get help by communcation. She was telling a lot of people about her depression and this is a cry for help!
Dr Grande, I think you should use the five factor model in your next Hello Fresh commercial. Something like “you can see this broccoli is high in agreeableness and low in adventure seeking traits.” And “remember, I’m not diagnosing the Hello Fresh meal, just speculating on what could be going on in a meal situation like this.”
that's hilarious!
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LOL!!!!
Yeah, super weird ad placement. But I don’t really have any better suggestions:)
Is your name supposed to be "sabrosa"?
I have such mixed thoughts about people who are suicidal and/or commit suicide. I have experienced how a family member of mine had ptsd because she found another family member who had tried to commit suicide. The impact on those around the suicidal person is tremendous, and that makes me very angry; to drag others down with them in a spiral of misery. On the other hand however, when I read (for instance) about children who are suicidal because they’re bullied I just feel so sorry for them and want to help them get better…it’s difficult.
This is so sad. I attempted suicide and failed, because of very similar reasons. Crazy to think how everything ended up changing for me soon after….had I not survived, I would have missed out on everything I wanted so badly. I can’t help but feel sad that maybe that is what happened to Christine…
Im a regular viewer of Dr.Grande's videos & am a big fan. I m not sure if he had any sponsors in his videos earlier, but Im really glad he is getting sponsors now. I love supporting my fave youtubers. Keep up the good work Dr.Grande.
Me too! I'm so proud 🥺🥺
My god have you ever seen anything more wholesome and sweet than Dr. Grande cooking food in his kitchen.
When did he cook food in his kitchen? He usually sits at a desk talking into a microphone.
@@robynalvin6319 He cooks a Hello Fresh meal in this video @ 12.55 mins
I really like llistening to mental health professionals explain these difficult topics. Thank you Dr. Grande we I am so grateful for the insights that you and others like you have and share.
thanks for another great video dr. large
I’m loving all the supportive comments about the great doctor getting a sponsor 💕 Congratulations! 🙂
Yo when he said her mood was better the day she died because she felt relieved like, I felt that so deep.
Editing to comment: yes, I know it’s common because I experienced it myself personally. I had a serious attempt when I was younger and had that exact feeling. It was the only relief I had felt in months if not years. It’s still hard not to run to that feeling.
That reminds me of ancient Romans. They tortured people prior to killing them because they considered death a release.
It is common for suicidal people to appear upbeat once they have formulated a plan to kill themselves. A red flag.
@@lilianmcguigan9240 yeah so I actually experienced this when I was 14 and attempted overdose, I ended up just getting high and it was the only relief I had felt in months. I thought it was just the blissful feeling of not having to deal with it all anymore. I still have days where that “relief” sounds comforting but I keep pushing through it
That is common. They feel relieved and at peace at the fact that they will no longer experience suffering.
@@arraikcruor6407 I know, I experienced it when I attempted at 14