Slavery in Islam | Dr. Jonathan Brown & Shaykh Dr. Yasir Qadhi
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Dr Jonathan Brown spoke at my Masjid in Las Vegas (Al-Noor) a few months or a year, after I converted to Islam.
Assalaam alaikum... Not to sound cringey, but i was always curious to ask... Is it hard being a Muslim in Las Vegas? How do you guys do it? 🤤
Masha'Allah
Was his talk recorded, brother?
@@oceanflyer7078 - It was. Then we had a power struggle and videos disappeared
I will call my friend down there to see if he can locate it and I will send you a message after my jummah (starts in 15 minutes) Insha'Allah
@@danoneall4013 JazakAllah khayr brother. To be honest, these kinds of lectures have renewed my faith tremendously. Especially those by Prof Brown and Dr Qadhi, I really can't thank them enough.
MashaAllahu tabarakallah! What a wonderful informative lecture! May Allah (swt) bless & protect Dr. Jonathon Brown, Sheikh Yasir Qadhi, and all Muslim scholars.
Rezwan what did they try to say.
I discovered JB from YQ. I like their same approach of thinking, analyzing, disect, thinking again & conclude. Insightful.
I'm a simple man. I see Yasir Qadhi, I click
lol
I even give 'like' before listening to the lecture.
I'm simple too.. I see Brother Jonathan Brown.. I click😃
@@oceanflyer7078 I agree with everything before hearing what he has to say. That's critical thinking 🙈
Great lecture indeed. Thanks Mr. Brown.
Jazakallaaaahu khair...happy to see many new lectures...الحمد لله
I love epic 😙😙😙...use Sk YQ as maximum as u can
Can someone explain me why Sheikh YQ is in this mosque not in Icna or Manphis? Just I want to understand
@@datejumane5579 - He moved. He transferred. Allahu a3lam the reason
we are in great need of scholars like them in Arab countries and bypass the Ghusl, Gin, 4 wives, Hoori issues and jump to a deeper and real target of Islam.
That’s a shame that the Arab people are still stuck on them issues
Subhana'Allah. Dr Brown, on another level!
A CIA level
????????
Slavery was never abolished, it was only extended to include all the colors
Right? And I guess their minds it make more equitable. The depths of denial and and rationalizing the human can go to is astounding. It's a pity because no Muslim or rationale person would like to be a slave, and because God okays it still doesn't make it reasonable.
You Guys realize that the Interest Based Banking and Capitalist Economic System is the currently unprecedented GLOBAL ENSLAVEMENT INSTITUTION ??!
Joe George
Well you apparently do
Seriously, so does that make okay to continue upholding slavery? Be better and "what aboutisms" do not erase the discomfort you feel when you read verses in the Qur'an and Sunnah justifying slavery.
So what he is saying is that Allah wanted to end slavery slowly buy putting restrictions on dealing with slaves. This seems like a terrible plan since slavery in Arab world didn't end for the next 1500 years but only recently.
It makes no sense no matter how you look at it. And the prophet was participating in the buying and selling of slaves. How can you end something when you’re an active participant?
A summary here: 45:35
great vision brother well done keep it
Excellent talk man, great details
here are some information about slavery in islam:
in the islamic "version" of "slavery", slaves actually had rights and were supposed to be treated with respect, similar like ordinary workers or merchandisers in today's time. they could even have power and work their way up. Contrary to the rest of the world, in the Islamic world Slaves could become and have become possesors of high positions and prestige, like doctors, military generals, scholars, advisers to kings or even themselfes becoming kings and heads of states. Many so called slaves were appointed by muslims as governors, commanders of army and administrators. we have in the islamic history several SLAVE KINGDOMS. slaves who became the kings and rulers in the islamic system. like the mamluke sultanate in egypt or the delhi sultanate, these were slave kingdoms (a quick google search should be enough for haters to get to know about these great islamic slave kingodms). in our islamic system, the "slaves" could become and have become many times in history, THE RULERS AND THE KINGS. In the mamluke sultanate in egypt, the slaves even had a social status above the citizens of Egypt (source:Perry, Glenn E. (2004). The History of Egypt. pp.51-52). this would not be possible in the western-style slavery, where the slaves were treated worse than animals and had no rights and were only used for labour work, and where there were active "human zoos" up until the 1950s (disgusting). thats a huge difference between the islamic system of "slavery" and the slavery which comes to mind, when you think about the ruthless barbarious european slave system. Even the word "slavery" is totally unappropriate within the islamic regulations and islamic system. Islam made it a virtue to free slaves, and inculcate them into society as equal citizens, almost 1500 years ago. islam encourages the muslims very much to free slaves. the freeing of a slave is a very noble good deed in islam. Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari: "The Prophet said, "Give food to the hungry, pay a visit to the sick and release (set free) the one in captivity (by paying his ransom)."8 (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Food, Meals, Volume 7, Book 65, Number 286)" . furthermore, the holy Quran says: "And what do you know what that difficult steep (good way) is? It is the freeing of a slave" [90:12-13]. and the freeing of a slave also became a duty for muslims after comitting a certain types of sins. some sins must be eradicated by the freeing of a slave. Slavery was a universal law in the Roman, Greek, Persian, Indian, and Arab civilizations. It was not Islam that introduced slavery. After the advent of Islam, as i said, slaves were given better treatment. All their human rights were safeguarded. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) commanded proper treatment for slaves, that they should be fed from what other Muslims eat, be clothed from what other Muslims wear, and be not asked to do work beyond their ability unless they're helped. The prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Your servants and your slaves are your brothers. Anyone who has slaves should give them from what he eats and wears. He should not charge them with work beyond their capabilities. If you must set them to hard work, in any case I advise you to help them. (Source: Bukhari, Iman, 22; Adab, 44; Muslim, Iman, 38-40). in the western christian world (and in other non-islamic lands), the poor slaves were treated worse than animals. and not to forget, Islam came when slavery was practiced widely. It was not suitable to ban slavery at once. Islam, however, tried to drain the source of slavery and close its gate gradually. In fact, Islam was the first system to inculcate the freedom of slaves and take steps to make them equal citizens of society. also in islamic law, the slaves had the rights to demand freedom if the ransom was payed (that right was called "mukataba"). if the slaves couldn't afford the ransom, they usually found merciful and God-fearing muslims who donated the ransom for them. you wont find such a right in any other system, where the slave could demand freedom from his chief. Moreover, the islamic "version" of "slavery" is so different to the western-type slavery or other types, that it should not even be called slavery. First of all, it had NOTHING to do with skin color, as opposed to the barbaric european atlantic slave trade. The europeans considered it as morally fine to enslave africans and use them like animals for labour work, due to their skin colour. In fact in islam, people who captured free people in order to enslave them (as europeans colonizers did to africans) are regarded as one of the worst type of creatures. the Prophet Muhammad (blessings of Allah and peace be upon him) said: "There are three categories of people against whom I shall myself be a plaintiff on the Day of Judgment . Of these three, one is he who enslaves a free man, then sells him and eats this money" (Bukhari and Ibn Maja). Skin color was never an issue when it came to slavery. As the Prophet Muhammad said: "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action"
Reference: Al-Bukhari, Hadith 1623, 1626, 6361
@darkness101011 thank you. but it's not a summary of that lecture (i didn't fully watch that lecture) . i just posted this as an addition
some of the "slaves" became sultan warriors and were great help in defeating emenies.
Also muslims were integral to the trans-atlantic slave trade thru the Muslim kingdoms of West Africa who sold them.
... because that's the rumor that's been going around. We're WOMEN treated as human beings?
What's the name of the book mentions at the beginning?
Misquoting Muhammad
1:35:40 😄 sheik Yasir and Dr. Brown partners in Mad Max situation.
Subanallah
No religion or prophets tried to abolish slavery but he came and successfully abolished it.
No religion or prophets tried to abolish polygamy, but he is almost abolish it
No religion or prophet tried to increase the matrimonial age of a woman , but he almost made all the countries to pass a law on this.
And he has many cool achievements and projects on his resume.
But when the appointed day comes, he will dissolve like salt dissolve in the water
Allah is the Akbar
Haniff Umar but a Muslim man can marry four wives??
Allah bless u dr jonathan brown
Lol ! This is so funny - how does any of this excuse ownership of human beings ?
depends on the social contract. Same way a corporate CEO owns your resource from 9-5 with a set amount of break time and expects certain output results each day
Did I understand correctly. Is Brown saying that slavery could be needed in the future?
He absolutely is not saying that. He starts out by saying it is an abomination.
Baehooda ads na dikhaen plz
41:28 1
Salaam. Thanks to the person who asked the question about concubinage. I think Jonathan at 1.40 really is stretching Islamic law. I do not believe the Qur'aan or the Sunnah allow ANY form of concubinage. The Qur'aan makes it clear that sex is only allowed with a female slave in the state of marriage. Her freedom being her dowry. Other verses make which talk about what '..your right hand possess ' clearly apply to men and women, the rules of grammar making it obvious. Furthermore the Qur'aan actually describes forced sex on a female slave as nothing better than 'whoredom'. No Jonathan really needs to think before opening his mouth and claiming such and such is Islamic law, because its 'custom' when there are clear nass from the Qur'aan and the lifelong example of the Prophet[saw].
The idea that 'raiding' has iktalaf is shocking.
There’s the Prophet and Mariya, there’s whole sets of narrations in basically every single book of ahadith describing how Sahaba bought and had sex with female slaves, without marrying them. You’ve misunderstood the Quran. It refers to the ban on forcing your slave girls to prostitute themselves not that a master himself can’t have sex with his own female slaves.
As for a woman having sex with her male slave, one woman actually tried that during the time of the Sahaba and they judged her as a transgressor. So that argument has been dealt with.
@@mrana2424 Sorry but I disagree. You and Jonathan are telling Muslims this is Islamic law because Muslims practiced it that way. Jonathan needs to fully respond to this criticism. Why is there a nass in the Qur'aan saying sex with slave women outside the state of marriage is a sin ? Sura 4:25 .... "they being women who give themselves in honest wedlock , not in fornication , nor as secret love companions ".. CONCUBINAGE is not HALAL.
Furthermore Sura 24:32 again commands only marriage with slaves, male or female.
Then sura 23: 5-7 discusses those who guard their private parts except with their spouses i.e. what their right hand posses through marriage. Grammatically 'azwaj' refers to men and women. Why restrict a general ?
Jonathan needs to respond to this. He needs to explain why clear nass condemning concubine can somehow be ignored.
Your logic or lack of logic in describing whatever we read in hadith can override the Qur'aan is wrong. Nothing in the Qur'aan can be ignored, even with fictitious ideas about abrogation.
"Abu Sai'd al-Khudri said : The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur'anic verse: [Sura 4:24) *"And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you.... "* 4:24 - Abu Dawud
Note the added emphasis - *" [This is] the decree of Allah upon you" **4:24*
I wish I see you debating Sam Harris. Not the easy audience you have there.
Deffinately: never .Mention the chapter of the Qur'an, speak in language we don't understand
Sounds like apologetics to me.
It's ment to explain why slavery is wrong and not only state why it's wrong. To get perspective and so on. Such as the point he made about the process of slavery becoming abolished in America was only because the country was in a state where the economy wasn't being fully dependent on slavery. In other words slavery was replaced by modern technology. And not because the moral of the modern world is much superior to the past world.
@@jae-oh846 When is an economy "dependent" on slavery? Slavery has always been a moral choice. There is no difference in the manpower needs of a slave holding society and a non-slave holding society. Saudi Arabia only banned slavery in 1970. And it wasn't because they evolved beyond the economic need.
@@drmodestoesq What I'm saying is that people in the past also considered slavery as bad, bad because they feared the decline in the economy they would not free them, at most that guilt would make them treat the slaves better at most. In other words, the help of modern technology had a huge part in finally abolishing slavery. Slavery was sort of the meta of effective profit and humans were the source of manpower to get tasks done.
I don't trust this giy☝🏻
why
There is no one that hasn’t defended or condoned religion including religions until 16 century, Dr. Brown stated.
What is the argument here, religions has come to enlighten people,and eradicate injustice. What is more inhumane than enslaving people.
What is more inhumane than killing unjustly
This is how much we like seeing a person who we think is not muslim and suddenly he says some amazing arabic words😂...btw assabiqun al thabitun
the intro was cringey
WhiteChocolateMocha you suck
What will slaves do when all of them was expelled.
For women, it would be prostitution.
Bcs, no office job like today
No agriculture, but dates farms
So they would die begging or So in this present condition better to be your masters wife,if he wishes.
Men, same,bcs
only job prevailing was trading, which, in my knowledge, requires tribal connections for both trading and security. Or you will loseout or robbed,killed when travelling.
But still, a slave can Make a contract with his master to, free himself in sheriya by paying for himself if he needs. If he cant pay, then the state should pay for his freedom.
If slave decides not to be free, he has his rights over his owner, and can complain to court.
you may ask,Why do someone decides to be a slave?Answer is Bcs they do not know to be free,and live free. Theyre mentally incapable.
Look at abraham lincon. When he freed slaves, many came back running to their masters asking them to take them back. Bcs all these years they were told what to do..
But isn't Islam supposed to be timeless? It's the last religion shouldn't it have pushed towards abolition from its inception? There are a lot of things in Islam that at the time of the prophet(pbuh) the sahaba didn't completely understand and just said allahu alim. Wouldn't you think that Allah would just make it haram? This is something that I just can't quite understand and I don't think has a straight forward answer. I'm not a scholar just an average Joe with questions. Other than that this was a very interesting lecture.
re watch the video, it was clearly stated
sammy salama
Hi
Some things are prohibited via negative command and some via positive command
In school a teacher can say to kids
Don’t run
Or
Can just say to them: walk!
Saying do not run is a negative command
Saying :walk is a positive command
Saying do t have a slave is a negative command
Saying free slaves is a positive command
Islam
Used positive command to free slaves
I witnessed this lecture in masjid.. It was informative and a tough topic to lecture... Dr Jonathan Brown is very respectful n decent. Post lecture in mksque he walked towards us greeted n shook hands.. This shows his manners.. Those talking negative can rather give a better suggestion to improvise the lecture
We need a Jonathan Brown youtube channel with high quality 1080p videos
Assalamualikum, best so far is the Bayan Online course at www.bayanonline.org/ and then you also have the Unofficial Dr. Jonathan Brown RUclips channel: ruclips.net/channel/UC4L23Z_agh1qeV_odQfV6Vg
Rayhan is Jonathan Brown a Muslim?
@@rrc7878 Thanks bro
@@Gazus12345 Yes, he is, he says so in the video aswell I think
@@talhatariqyuluqatdis you are welcome!
The EPIC facepalm by Dr. Brown 48:11 Thank me later.
All Movie Dr. Brown Mentioned:
Wonder Woman I 27:44
13th 32:11
Thor Regnorak 32:15
The 13th Warrior 48:18
The Spartacus 65:35
12 years of a slave 71:21
Mad Max 95:39
I will make sure I eat h the movies
Serfraz Qayyum let me know if they are tasty
some of these films should be avoided
@@AC-mp7cxFor what reason? If one's iman and fitra are intact and strong nothing should shake the individual.
This is lot of obfuscation and fudging going on here. God could prohibit legal adoption, change the qiblah, enforce defensive warfare (Jihad), command women to cover up, and much more with a single verses in the Qur'an. Are we to believe that God could not, if he so wished, ban slavery too in the same way? It is pure sophistry to say that if a verse had descended from heaven abolishing all forms of slavery, the Muslims society would have plunged into total anarchy, and people would not have known left from right. It is a facile, dubious argument. Slavery was a great evil in the so called Jahiliya times, as was seen in the life of the companion, Bilal Ibn Rabah, who was tortured mercilessly by his masters for adopting Islam. If he could be manumitted from slavery, why not everyone else? Only one answer suggests itself, and it does not cast the God of Qur'an in a favorable light: God did not really think non-muslims slaves deserved freedom; it could even be that he did not think certain races deserved to be free. The phrase, 'whom your right hand possesses' is a damning evidence that Islamic slavery, no less than transatlantic slave trade, was in its essence a tyrannical owning of one person by another. Doctor Brown seems to be suggesting that the more benevolent forms of slavery are permissible, and even recommended.
Absolutely. Allah phased out alcohol, which was apparently a big part of the culture back then, as was slavery. So why was there nothing the same for slavery? And because there has been no direct banning of slavery has led to the continuation of slavery in Muslim societies to this day e.g. Mauritania.
Much more important than the abolition of slavery is the justices and equality. The face to the final triumph of Islam when Mohamed defeated Macca was a Black Slave named Bilal standing on the top Kabba the most secret place for Arabia and Muslims basically accounting that Humans are the holiest being on earth and a black slave represented the human race. Even when Muhamad entered the Kabba he choose Bilal and Osama another dark skin and the son of servant. The last thing Mohamed said in his major speech to Muslims in Hajj “There are no difference between black and white or Arab and other races or a man and a woman but their deeds toward God”. That is why you can hardly find a block person killed because he was black through out Muslims history but we still seeing black being killed just because they are black in the western countries the most free places in world.
Abolition of slavery means nothing without serious and sincere abolition of racism. Muhamad made sure abolition of racism is core concept of being a Muslim and that what the west cannot accomplish until now even when full abolition of slavery is achieved. It is much harder to achieve abolition of racism.
Killing an individual has always been universally looked down upon and will not disappear anytime soon, so let's regulate the killing and make it "less" evil! In all seriousness, its so disappointing to see how people in this day in age still justifying a crime that we know is an heinous act.
false equivalency ... slavery was not "always been universally looked down upon..." as you assume
The eloquence of YQ is sublime ma shaa Allah, so privileged to learn from him
Dr. Jonathan Brown is an extremely intelligent man.
But not more than Dr yasir Qadhi
@@propheticadmirer1701 haha
He is intelligent alright, and he made less informed people, oppressors, and fanatics, feel good about religion allowing slavery. Smile and rejoice that an intelligent man made you feel justified in the legality of slavery.
Carl Stokes sure we are gonna take our morality from you , a mere mortal.
@Lord Slade Cool. while you have none.
I REALLY REALLY LOVE IT HOW DR. BROWN IS SO SO COOL AND CHILLED OUT! I JUST FELL IN LOVE WITH HIM.
It's sad that we have to have this conversation due to the pressures political activism based in non Islamic ideology. Liberalism truly ruines everything it touches.
Obviously every nation only a few centuries ago had slavery and was eliminated by industrial progression & efficiency due to the demands of the market.
True. Have you read any books on the economic reasons behind the abolition of slavery tho? I'd like to hear your sources.
You guys should invit brother dr
Jonathan to internationella islamic confrannce
Aslam Alaikum, Jazak Allah Khair Dr Brown and Dr Yasir Kadhi for sharing your knowledge on this topic. A sister from India.
Masha Allah very nice to see a scholar of Dr Jonathan calibre spearheading the truth
People getting triggered in the comment section. Basically in a nutshell what hes saying: Slavery was 'normal'/ 'the norm' in past history. Islam is the first religion in world history which puts rules and regulation on having slaves.
Excellent discussion. Sundiata Keira, the founder of the Mali Empire banned slavery in the 13th century. However, his successors reverses his policy on slavery. Also Queen Nzinga (West African)abolished slavery for any black person who stepped foot in her empire in the 17th century. Unfortunately, her kingdom was overrun by the Portuguese after her death.
Sundiata Keita. Great uncle of Mansa Musa Keita.
Unfortunately what we see here is another islamist ridiculous apologist. I am disappointed
points this speaker is covering
1) Dr Brown mentioned early Muslims had slaves , no Muslims have had slaves right up to the present day.
2) American is not perfect but has acknowledge slavery is WRONG. Lets hear if Muslims will say Mohammed was wrong.
3) Dr.Brown - Defining Slavery is problem. No it is not. Comparing factory workers to slavery is a cop out
i could go on but the whole exercise is an excuse , just hurry up and admit Slavery is wrong.
Masha'Allah Dr Jonathan Brown.
Sheikh, I also watched those movies.. For research.. 😜
not good brother
His lectures are far, far, far better than his Facebook posts. JazaakumAllah to everyone involved with this.
whats bad about his posts
This guy Dr Jonathan Brown have done a lot of research on various topics of Islam and Muslim history! Mashallah!!
Watched "WonderWoman" And "ThorRagnarok".
Just for research purposes.
The reasons why Americans feel a great sense of discomfort regarding slavery is because they treated black slaves worse than animals. For the rest of us here in Africa, where people struggle worse than the slaves of ancient Arabia, we would be happy to have a home and a master who treats us well and allows us to have safety, security and a family, than to starve in the drought of Somalia or Kenya. American guilt should shape our view of the world. They are the ones who did the deed, not us, and not the Muslims. Nobody promotes slavery, and Muslims take great pride in freeing slaves. However, every time and place in history has a context. If I was prisoner of war, I would rather be a slave to the ancient Muslim companions, than be in an American prison or in Guantanamo bay.
Shukran. Very informative lecture.
Haha, at 32:37 no one at the mosque admits to have watched the movie THOR.....right.
Great minds!!!
15:16 😂😂😂 Biryani party
Slavery could have been ended with one verse. The problem is, where would the slaves have gone? How would they've fed themselves. What about women slaves. Children? Old people? Quran set a gradual program of emancipation. 47-4 closed the door on new slaves. 24-33 provided deed of emancipation. 90-13 reads: free slaves, literally, take off their yokes; this verse came very early in Islam; following verses address potential needs of freed slaves. 4-92, 58-3, 5-89 made freeing of slaves the primary, if not the only, way for expiation of bigger sins. 9-60 opened state's treasury for freeing slaves.
I'm not sure if Jonathan Brown addressed this, but doesn't slavery still exist today in various forms?
A person who is forced to work +50 hours per week, forced to pay 30-40 percent income tax, forced to adhere to a certain standard of living, forced to reduce activities relating to family, deen, volunteering, are they still not a slave? Just because we get weekends off and 3 weeks vacation?
Slavery still exists. It just evolved.
Yes
No one forces anyone to work these days - you can work to live and pay taxes to get security in the country you live or live like a beggar not utilising your God given abilities and talents and not prosper in society.
In USA, if I want to quit my job who I work 50 hour per week and get e other that only work 30 but pay more I can. Can a slave go to be the slave of other person just like that? No. So no working in a company does not equality to slavery. Company has rules that ones accept but later decide is not fair we can just quit. A person in a company can missed day with no problem (depending of the attendance policy) if person does not return to work the company does not persecute the person to come back. There free will and freedom.
I am agree that jail people are like slave and that depend of the state the person are. But work in person are made to debilitation (porpoise of the prisoner to be able to maintain sanity during imprisonments) there is work release programs that is a privilege to the inmates (they able to work in company outside the prision and interact with other not inmates) this program is done when sentence is about to finish to Ensure a job security and moral stability for the inmate integration to society (at least in my state they get pay like any other person but the money have to put in bank account in their name only)
I most say other state are barbaric
@@elisalopezdelacruz3563 Miss if you are a worker You are a slave.It is calles wage Slavery.This is in a historical context 100% Fact.Your example does not change the fact that the person is a slave,he just changes his owner.Even Abraham lincoln admitted that admitted that working for a wage for the rest of your life was slavery,his ony defence was that workers had the freedom to become self employed.But that is not the fact,you are forced to work because of the cirmcumstances your goverment and the tyrannical capitalistic sysytem has put you in that the only way you can earn a living i.e SURVIVE is to be a slave for them.Think about,you own your whole life for them,the books you read and the Subjects you study in your degree is all tailored to serve the companies needs etc.You can listen to Noman Chomsky's lectures about wage slavery.
@@elisalopezdelacruz3563 if there was no slavery then now we not have Egyptian pyramid , great wall of China , taj mahal , and many more structures which helped human civilisation to evolve
Well covered, I guess the reality is modern employment, particularly for immigrants, is a lot worse than the slavery ever was under Islamic rule.
How did you draw that conclusion? A slave do not have the same rights as a non slave even in the Qur'an. What? You think because the prophet advocates treating slaves a bit better than they used to treat them, it is now okay? I find it remarkable that a god who call himself Al adl, Al Aziz the judge the mighty can sit around and forbid consumption of pork, but fail to forbid slavery, which is a gross human Injustice. What a farce. Everybody in this feed nodding their heads in tacit agreement to what this guys said aught to feel ashamed of themselves. I morn at the treatment of Muslims around the world by colonial powers and their puppets, but I would not feel sad if Abrahamic religions, Hinduism, and any other institutionalized religion advocating supremacy, slavery, bigotry, mycoginy, and any other ideas of oppression would disappear or get so watered downed that it no longer reassemble the source material. I find it odd that Muslims complain about how the kuffar abuse the believers stealing their lands and resources, but the Quran advocates such treatment of non believers. I agree that some Western powers abuse believers, but that does not by anyway justify the same unjust dictates in the Qur'an and Sunnah. The Muslims if they maintained their control over the world that they once held would have not been any better than the greedy capitalist of today, I go even further they may have been worse. Yemen is a prime example why I think this. It is far past time to start questioning these antiquated concepts of the past and find healthy and just ways to structure our societies. Slavery is horrible across time, it is horrible no matter who is doing it, and who is legislating it.
@@carlstokes1984 My friend I have lived in over 12 countries across all continents (not Antarctica of course). The connotations that a westerner carries with him over a matter such as slavery are vastly distinct from a learned muslim. In many places including the US ,the life of an low-income illegal immigrant compared to slave under muslim rule is much worse. they have absolutely no rights of ownership in society, and live under very severe working conditions. A prime example could be the UAE, devoid of any islamic practice (as they have ditched all of that) employ thousands of labors from the indian subcontinent(nepal, bangladesh). these guys are put in labour camps, they begin work at 4am-6pm, with an hour drive back to the labour camp, 6 days a week, with extremely bad living conditions. Formally, this is considered 'employment' and not 'slavery'. Compare that to Islam, where the Prophet commands to take care of the slave: 'clothe them with what you clothe yourselves, feed them with what you eat'. you are making judgements about slavery 1400 years latter when basically your economy no longer needs high intensive labour. Moreover, Islam eradicated slavery through encouraging freeing the slaves like no other system/ person did, untill 11 hundred years later.
Other remarks about the Quran are completely false, the main fundamental of the Quran is to establish justice, as stated in surah 57 verse 25:
"We have already sent Our messengers with clear evidence and sent down with them the Scripture and the balance that the people may maintain [their affairs] in justice. And We sent down iron, wherein is great military might and benefits for the people, and so that Allah may make evident those who support Him and His messengers unseen. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might."
Basically stating that the mission of the messengers of God and the whole essesnce of religion is to establish 'justice', and if the powers wont allow God has given you means of Arms to fight those injust, tyrannical powers, to ensure Justice pervails.
this is very heavy stuffs... Dr Brown is too smart for me ^^
@David Lynch ah yes sheikh google when in doubt never fails.
You skipped the bit about how male slaves were castrated, & huge numbers died from the barbaric surgery, Thank you for acknowledging why the term slave derives from the words Slavic and the vast number of slaves transported to the Middle East and East were from the Slavic regions - google it and went on for far longer than the Atlantic slave trade. I agree slavery was common everywhere. What was unusual was that Britain and the US ended it and that was a god thing. I wish I had been in the audience so I could have pointed out the fallacies in your justifications. Do you debate non-Muslims Dr, because if you don’t that might be why you’re not recognising the fallacious arguments you’re making. Hopefully i’ll come across questioning or curious Muslims who use your arguments and I’ll be able to point out the flaws, especially Muslim women who I’m sure were very interested in your seriously limited response to the question of consent. Goodness me.
slavery in the muslim world was tragic. Granted a lot better than the Trans-Atlantic slave trade; but i dont deal with relative morality- so it was disgusting for the most part, as u might've guessed. The west only ended it due to the industrial revolution. So much so that any country that the industrial revolution took longer to proliferate and flourish in; slavery took longer to be abolished. That slavery was abolished due to moral reasons is a modern myth.
Why would that be mentioned? This speech was about the islamic slavery not muslim attrocities. you would have to prove to me that the castrating of the male slave was allowed in the authetic sources to make the your complaint worthwhile, he already said the reason it ended in the UK and the US was because of industrial revolution which only started for other countries as recent as 40 years ago, He did mention the issue of consent but said to refer to his book for further detail , he also that "consent" is a western idea or liberal where in islam its about pain or wellbeing where the concern lies. I suggest you open your ears and re watch
@@Abuzahra21 Muslims were integral to the trans-Atlantic slave trade thru the West African kingdoms who sold them, so...
@@HueyPPLong Ehhm I'm not too familiar with that history; so I can really say much. I know there was one Muslim prince who was taken as a slave but don't remember the details. Anywho, thats not something I find hard to believe or grant. The Prophetic roadmap for change was aborted 30 years after the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) passed away as he himself prophesised. Despite, the Islamic civilisation is still a spectacle and had a moral fibre you'd not expect in that time period. I don't let my religion make me to romanticise the history. Don't let your subscribed position taint history to look more gruesome than it is
roxee57
Tell me more about this slavery stuff please
Funny when he makes references to movies on slavery. Lol people are ehhh no no no no. ... We dont. Lol funny.
Maansha Allaah this American Brother is very humble . Respect from Somalia.
Really appreciate the video and discussion. Will look at buying some of Dr Browns books!
His answer wasn't knowledgeable..he needs to study more in Islamic history
May Allah guide us and him
who is His in your comment? Dr Yasir Qadhi or Dr Jonathan Brown? and what answer that wasn't knowledgeable that you pointing?
@@hanifsoul my point is Dr brown
Mashallaha he is a good doctor but not a scholar
He even point slavery in the time of profit Mohammed (peace be upon him) as act of injustice
@@aminpop6674 somebody needs to watch it one or two more time.
@@aminpop6674 You seem to not know what 'Dr.' stands for. He is not a doctor like a hospital doctor, he got the 'Dr'. in front of his name because of his PhD. Dr. Jonathan Brown is a Scholar in Islamic Studies, you can look it up yourself. He is also probably more knowledgable about Islam than you and me combined, so telling him to study more is ironic. If you disagree with him, that is entirely possible, but please explain why.
@@MrTuticmen look please see the video again from 14:20 - 18:30 lint
He couldn't find any religion throw history that condemned the slavery even in the time of profit Mohammed S.A.W
mashaAllah brother Jonathan. May Allah bless you
Ameen and you
slavery is inevitability, that's why islam not strictly prohibit the slavery and only recommend to free the slavery, wawallahu a'lam 🙏
One of the miracle of the quran. Slavery can never be abolished, it comes in one form or the other. Hence Allah asked us to free them, which is a better instruction than absolution. ALLAHU AKBAR!
Exactly. and that is what modern people fail to understand.
yahyajamiu Thank you for making this distinction. People keep confusing “freeing” with “abolishing”. Theoretically speaking, if all the slaves were eventually freed or died through natural causes in an Islamic country, then slavery would be temporarily “abolished” but that doesn’t mean that slavery can’t exist again in the future.
Why do I feel like he is justifying slavery. I wished Muhammad abolished slavery instead of regulating it.
MAY THE PEACE MERCY AND BLESSINGS OF ALLAH ALMIGHTY ALWAYS BE WITH YOU AMEEN
If Muhammad owned slaves, why is the Qu'ran insisting on freeing them?
Why freeing Bilal for a start, why did many companions bought and freed slaves? Why would Muhammad own slaves if he knows Allah doesn't condone it?
It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, I don't believe they owned slaves, I believe they had maids and servants (who are paid)
So the term slaves should not apply here.
Shallallahu alaihi salam
This was a wonderful lecture about not just slavery in Islam, but slavery overall by Dr Brown.
My main problem with discussing slavery in Islam (or any religion for that matter) is that religions are believed to have originated from the Creator of the universe. Meaning, the criteria for judging any decree of religion is vastly different from judging any human institution throughout history, because one is by definition believed to come from a perfect law-giver.
Therefore, it is absolutely true that slavery was as universal a human institution as sex, hunting or war. There is no doubt that every human society practiced in one shape or form. However, if we believe that Qur'an is the revealed book of Allah, then we cannot judge it's moral instructions by the same criteria. Allah is supposed to exist beyond time and space, therefore we cannot justify Islamic slavery by simply appealing to history. I can certainly excuse the Ottomans, Abbasids or anyone else for not abolishing this institution, but I cannot say the same thing about holy scripture, which is supposed to be perfect for all times and places.
And an even bigger tragedy in all of this is that Muslims themselves were basically one of the last peoples on Earth to abolish slavery. Paradoxically, if it weren't for colonialism, slavery would likely be more wide spread today than it is, and it would certainly be legal in a way that it is not in this day and age. Saudi Arabia banned slavery in 1962, Mauritania in 1980. Even the Ottoman shaykh-ul Islam caved under pressure by the British to declare fetwa against slavery, only to have the person and many Ottoman soldiers massacred in Medina after reading this declaration.
sensible and good articulation.
Not you trying to justify slavery in Islam 💀
as usual, everything is a fucking conspiracy
Amazing how Dr. Brown cleverly danced around the subject of sex slaves as war booty which is legitimised in Islamic sources. I guess for Dr. Brown, consent is not important when non-Muslim women were aken as sex slaves; they were non-Muslims after all, so their worth and dignity weren't important. Mind you, these were women whose husbands were killed in war, and as such pose no imminent threat to the Muslim army whatsoever.; yet, it's okay to enslave and rape them. Go figure....
Islam abolished slavery by ELIMINATING the conditions of slavery, just as it has prohibited zina (fornication and adultery) by FORBIDDING believers not to "come near unto zina."
Muhammad Bought and Sold slaves..
BLACK SLAVES OF MUHAMMAD
Sahih Muslim, Book 10,
Number 3901:
Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:
There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) on migration; he (the Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man).
im sorry wonder woman is half naked, i dont think he, and we for that matter should be watching such films
BlindHobo I heard that the film is not worth watching. You are not missing anything.
If unwanted sexual contact being forced on a woman is always considered harmful outside of a marriage, why not within a marriage?
well within the confines of marriage sex is to be expected so if one spouse denies the other that is a sin as far as i know especially since it will tempt them to then at the worst case commit adultery
@Haqim Al-Arabia Yes there absolutely is such a thing as rape within marriage. Dr Brown said things are traditionally evaluated on harm. Being forced into sexual acts when you don't want to be touched is psychologically harmful whether you are married or not. But when you have to live with your rapist, who rapes you repeatedly, it can be much more traumatic.
A wife doesn't need to submit to everything. Abuse is never acceptable. Sexual consent cannot be simply taken for granted. Wive are supposed to loved, not degraded and sexually assaulted.
Marital rape is also much more likely to be violent than rape by a stranger or new aquaintance. Societies that don't acknowledge marital rape also ignore that their mothers, sisters and daughters are being beaten up. It's morally reprehensible.
@@madaxwayne Rape is a far worse sin, it is even worse than adultery. For the same reason that being raped by a stranger is more traumatic than being merely assualted, so too being raped by a spouse is more traumatic than being physically assualted by them.
If an unmarried man is expected to not sleep around then a unsatisfied married man has no excuse. A husband and wife have an obligation to look after each others needs. But if the womans needs are not being met in other areas of the marriage and she is angry or depressed then no, she should not be expected to sleep with him on command.
Muslims believe Muhammad is the BEST example for mankind so we have to hold him to a HIGHER standard,so if today we can,t take Slaves THAT means he is NOT A GOOD EXAMPLE for us Today. The bible CONDEMNS slavery ..
Exodus 21:16
16 “Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession.
Muhammad bought and sold slaves.
Sahih Bukhari 8:73:182
Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle was on a journey and he had a black slave called Anjasha, and he was driving the camels (very fast, and there were women riding on those camels). Allah's Apostle said, "Waihaka (May Allah be merciful to you), O Anjasha! Drive slowly (the camels) with the glass vessels (women)!"
Look what Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم truly said about slavery:
This is a brief summary of some of the principles of dealing with slaves in a just and kind manner:
1 - Guaranteeing them food and clothing like that of their masters.
It was narrated that Abu Dharr (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “They are your brothers whom Allaah has put under your authority, so if Allaah has put a person’s brother under his authority, let him feed him from what he eats and clothe him from what he wears, and let him not overburden him with work, and if he does overburden him with work, then let him help him.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (6050).
2 - Preserving their dignity
It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I heard Abu’l-Qaasim (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Whoever accuses his slave when he is innocent of what he says will be flogged on the Day of Resurrection, unless he is as he said.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (6858).
Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) manumitted a slave of his, then he picked up a stick or something from the ground and said: There is no more reward in it than the equivalent of this, but I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Whoever slaps his slave or beats him, his expiation is to manumit him.” Narrated by Muslim (1657).
3 - Being fair towards slaves and treating them kindly
It was narrated that ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan tweaked the ear of a slave of his when he did something wrong, then he said to him after that: Come and tweak my ear in retaliation. The slave refused but he insisted, so he started to tweak it slightly, and he said to him: Do it strongly, for I cannot bear the punishment on the Day of Resurrection. The slave said: Like that, O my master? The Day that you fear I fear also.
When ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Awf (may Allaah be pleased with him) walked among his slaves, no one could tell him apart from them, because he did not walk ahead of them, and he did not wear anything different from what they wore.
One day ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab passed by and saw some slaves standing and not eating with their master. He got angry and said to their master: What is wrong with people who are selfish towards their servants? Then he called the servants and they ate with them.
A man entered upon Salmaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) and found him making dough - and he was a governor. He said to him: O Abu ‘Abd-Allaah, what is this? He said: We have sent our servant on an errand and we do not want to give him two jobs at once.
4 - There is nothing wrong with slaves having precedence over free men in some matters
- with regard to any religious or worldly matters in which he excels over him. For example, it is valid for a slave to lead the prayer. ‘Aa’ishah the Mother of the Believers had a slave who would lead her in prayer. Indeed the Muslims have been commanded to hear and obey even if a slave is appointed in charge of their affairs.
5 - A slave may buy himself from his master and be free.
If a person is enslaved for some reason but then it becomes apparent that he has given up his wrongdoing and forgotten his past, and he has become a man who shuns evil and seeks to do good, is it permissible to respond to his request to let him go free? Islam says yes, and there are some fuqaha’ who say that this is obligatory and some who say that it is mustahabb.
This is what is called a mukaatabah or contract of manumission between the slave and his master. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), give them such writing, if you find that there is good and honesty in them. And give them something (yourselves) out of the wealth of Allaah which He has bestowed upon you”
[al-Noor 24:33]
This is how Islam treats slaves justly and kindly.
One of the results of these guidelines is that in many cases, the slave would become a friend of his master; in some cases the master would regard him as a son. Sa’d ibn Haashim al-Khaalidi said, describing a slave of his:
He is not a slave, rather he is a son whom [Allaah] has put under my care.
He has supported me with his good service; he is my hands and my arms.
Another result of the Muslims treating slaves in this manner is that the slaves became part of Muslim families as if they were also family members.
Gustave le Bon says in Hadaarat al-‘Arab (Arab Civilization) (p. 459-460): What I sincerely believe is that slavery among the Muslims is better than slavery among any other people, and that the situation of slaves in the east is better than that of servants in Europe, and that slaves in the east are part of the family. Slaves who wanted to be free could attain freedom by expressing their wish. But despite that, they did not resort to exercising this right. End quote.
Look what the Bible says:
Isiah 13:16
“Their little children will be dashed to death before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked, and their wives will be raped.”
Psalm 137:9
“A blessing on the one who seizes your children and smashes them against the rock.”
Leviticus 21:9
“If the daughter of a priest defiles herself by being promiscuous, she defiles her father, she must be burned with fire.”
Hosea 13:16
“The people of Samaria must pay for their sins. They refused to obey me. They will be killed by swords. Their little children will be smashed to the ground. Their pregnant women will be ripped wide open.”
Deuteronomy 20:16
“However, in the cities of the nations of the lord inherits, do not leave anything that breathes.”
Chronicles 12:16
“They entered into a covenant to seek the lord, the god of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the lord, the god of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.”
Exodus 21:5
“Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.”
Jeremiah 48:10
“Cursed be he who does the lords work remissly; cursed he who holds back his sword from blood.”
Excerpt from Exodus 31:12-15
“Because the lord considers it a holy day, anyone who works on Sabbath must be put to death.”
Jeremiah 50:21-22
“Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Perkod. Yes, March against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land I will judge! Pursue, kill and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you, says the lord : Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction.”
Deuteronomy 17:12
“Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel.”
Excerpt from Samuel 15:2-3
“Go now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.”
Maybe it's just me, but I think he doesn't understand the difference between labor and slaves. Not a troll, just a person who wants to learn about islam
yes its just you, because you forgot the whole context of that part.
@@shayanarif1718 listen to 1:36:37 when he explained about mad max and the possibilitiy of using human instead of machine and fossil fuel energy. He said slavery, not labor, may return. Labors can quit from their jobs while slaves don't. Labors are free human who can make their own choices, while slaves are not.
@@nia8044 again, you are not keeping in mind the whole context. for example , if you remember , he said before that do you think it is coincidence that the industrialization era and the abolition of slavery era time periods are similar.
Also he gave the quote of Aristotle , that until the clothes started weaving themselves , there would be slavery.
So if you keep in mind this whole context , then you can understand that, if in future, lets say fossil fuels runs out or due to some dramatic turn of events we cannot use machines to do our tasks etc, then do you think slavery will not return ?
@@nia8044 also if you want to learn about Islam , then read Quran:
[Quran 9:60] Charities shall go to the poor, the needy, the workers who collect them, the new converts, to free the slaves, to those burdened by sudden expenses, in the cause of God, and to the traveling alien. Such is God's commandment. God is Omniscient, Most Wise.
[Quran 2:177] “Righteousness is not turning your faces towards the east or the west. Righteous are those who believe in God, the Last Day, the angels, the scripture, and the prophets; and they give the money, cheerfully, to the relatives, the orphans, the needy, the traveling alien, the beggars, and to free the slaves; and they observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat); and they keep their word whenever they make a promise; and they steadfastly persevere in the face of persecution, hardship, and war. These are the truthful; these are the righteous.”
[Quran 90:10-13] Did we not show him the two paths? He should choose the difficult path. Which one is the difficult path? The freeing of slaves
It was narrated that Abu Dharr (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “They are your brothers whom Allaah has put under your authority, so if Allaah has put a person’s brother under his authority, let him feed him from what he eats and clothe him from what he wears, and let him not overburden him with work, and if he does overburden him with work, then let him help him.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (6050).
He is an inspiration for us. May Allah sw be his helper in the amazing work that he does.
I wonder if Dr. Jonathan Brown gets dentain at US Airports (Customs & Border Patrol) like I do every time I travel to Egypt, North Africa & Middle East.
I am convert also, so I am just checking
Phrase your question properly u are saying if he gets detained in us no he doesn't he probably does by what you meant in arab tho idk
@@betiknow9020 - What? Learn correct grammar, how to properly conduct sentence structure and use capital letters when needed, dweeb.
How do you know he doesn't get detained at the US Airports? Most people I know who travel get those 4 capitalized SSSS on their return tickets and get put into a room to be integrated by US Customs & Border Patrol
Reading comprehension is NOT your strong point.
i think he went towards the core teachings of islam. well, dress code is just as much essential, as you do, but keeping in view to the political atmosphere, he can escape his way out easily. at the end, its your intention.
I watched for an hour. In the beginning he says slavery is wrong, but he never explains how it is viewed by God. This is not a teaching style that helps me.
Basically he says we think it's bad but there are varying levels of bad.
he speaks out of what god said in quran islam had canceled slavery because god creates us free ,all the best jo
Think about it this way, how right can it be to enslave any of Allah's creations.
Jazak Allahu khair very informative
Why brought this subject, if you don’t have clear answer. He didn’t say what Quran says about that. You need more knowledge to say anything like big subject.
watch the video again. it made alot of sense. it is better to free a slave.
what answer you want. a "no" or a "yes" ?????
At the start he said that he would not explain this the easy way. If you don't understand the answer, it's probably because of the level of English he used.
white man speak arabic is always interesting for me
There are many white arabic muslims worldwide. I've met Muslims of every race in my life.
MashaAllah TabarakAllah Alhamdulillah
For both of you!!!
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We need more such the lectures from the such peoples
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Masha'Allah may Allah continue to guide him
Islam didn’t banish slavery, slavery is not something evil. If it was, our prophet wouldn’t have owned slaves. Islam gave slaves their rights and limited the ways in which a person becomes a slave. What Islam did is banish the Jahilliyah slavery which was similar to American and European slavery. This is the evil type of slavery.
May Allah bless you, Amen
sadly the reality is that we are all slaves to the system and have been since birth, All being fooled to believe we have it good to keep us working hard till we eventually reach our graves.
Slavery was never abolished, it was only extended to include all the colors”.
Come on both of you.
Drama bund karo.
Hum to doobay hain sanum tumhein bhi dooboyein gey.
Slavery is long gone.
And now you are trying to kill the truth and simple law.
About 50:00 Discusses how morals come from the society you grow up in. Logically, he is suggesting that if you are raised in a 'Christian' society, then you will see 'Christian morals' as normal and not realize it.
Look what happened when mosses free the children of israel only Allah knows what's good, alhumdulillah majority of africa know islam so it abolished
Why do Shias and Sunnis disagree with the Hadith????
First the question should be.. why they disagree with each other.. And that itself should answer your question
People should NOT think of slavery in Isalm (as they put it), as being the 'same' as slavery in America. The simple fact is that (in most cases), you find slavery in our human history is in cases where a person was 1. Enslaved due to the conquering of their land (which was the most common). 2. Due to debt (that one would have to work off) 3. Due to crimes (mostly during the rule of England where people had to work off a crime or be banished etc.
In Islam we are not taught to treat slaves in the same way as we find in the history of America or UK. In fact there are various ahadith that mention treating them as you would a family member. Clothing them with what you clothed yourself. I think people try to use slavery in 'Islam' to harm the religion and or take some of the burden off of what was done in the states pertaining to the treatment of black slaves. Through history we find all types of slaves not just blacks. And sadly in a lot of countries this still exist due to proverty, etc.
The term slavery is in the Bible, Torah and Qur'an because again it was done during the conquering of lands and their people became enslaved. Its not rocket science but people are always looking to point the finger without full knowledge. And we are always catering to the west b/c the ruling lands is ALWAYS the land that's imitated.
Muslims countries need to get more backbone (ie stop always catering to the west, yes be respectful and cordial but stop overdoing it), b/c we have the success (Sunnah as practiced according to the early generations of Muslims ) , we just dont understand or use it properly. We again imitate the ruling countries who are not going to succeed b/c they put their desire before their Lord. May Allah have mercy on our souls Ameen
MashAllah