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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- Jason Whitlock and Marcellus Wiley discuss NFL on today's show. Hear why Marcellus Wiley respects Le'Veon Bell's decision to not report to the Pittsburgh Steelers for the rest of the 2018 NFL season.
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What are your thoughts on Le'Veon Bell's decision not to return to the Steelers?
I think he'll get a very nice contract, but it won't be with a top tier team. They aren't going to have the cap space to pay him what he wants and many already have RB's almost as good. Teams like the Saints, Rams, and Chiefs are not going to be interested. He's going to end up with a team that's rebuilding, behind a below average O line, with an average or below QB. He'll take more of a beating than he would have with the Steelers and it's costing him $14.5 million. He better be staying very far away from any illegal substances in the meantime.
Speak For Yourself , aye this a message for Whitlock and Wiley, y'all making good television. Keep it up. It's important
Speak For Yourself. Fat guy stay hating. Smart move by Bell
Speak For Yourself why can’t Wiley make eye contact? Urkel’s glasses are lenseless. Why is Whitlock stuck in AAA? He’s so much better than this; he’s being forced to facilitate utter dreck.
I think it's a negotiation and they can't come to terms. One side is off on their valuation, but, I don't think either side is in the wrong.
Love the analysis on this. I'm so happy SPEAK FOR YOURSELF got a added half hour. This is a quality group of analyst.
I didn't realize how running backs get used up before their payday on new contracts.
Yea I love it too.
Yup me three. I also remember your old comment on it.
Hey man thats exactly why the redskins had Kirk Cousins for so long. 3 franchise tags. They literally paid him i believe 32m to play that final yr in WASH. Crazy to me 😆
Great analysis from Bucky. The new line up is great!
Except for saying the steelers are easier to beat im the playoffs lol! That makes no sense lol!
Whitlock is ironically the MOST infatuated over Kapernick than anybody else in the media.. He literally brings him up for absolutely no reason at least once every show😂
Facts!! Even more so than Cowherd was with Carmelo years ago and Westbrook more recently.
He actually brings up articles that other ppl write about Kaepernick and speaks to what ppl comment on his social media pages. He doesn't let the media drop the topic just because Kaepernick's lawsuit isn't working out.
If Kaepernick were winning his case the rest of the media would still talk about him.
LeSean Walston - Is it safe to say that it would not be a good idea to buy Whitlock a Kaepernick jersey for Christmas ?.
I think he secretly loves Kap. He finds a way to talk about him AL the time.
@tonie starks please, inform us all on how you know ALL the owners are talking behind closed doors about Bell? Your answer should be hysterical...
Look what happened to Dez Bryant
Who even brought up Kaepernick how even make it into this discussion Whitlock your really over reaching bro
Mista JAYBEE I know I was like wtf
I haven't seen anyone compare Bell to Kap...
It's not a Colin Kaepernick racial situation, it's a Colin Kaepernick trend setting situation.
There’s a reason why Pitt has 6 Lambos , they are one of the few consistent Organizations. I think they are better at their job than us
Exactly!! The Steelers are a stable organization who knows what they're doing. In almost 50 years they've only had 3 coaches & all 3 has SuperBowl wins. The lack of Leveon Bell's presence will hurt the Steelers in the short term, but they'll recover.
The Duke : so you think the giants are as consistent as Steelers year to year ????
They need to change the CBA for the running back position specifically. The teams use the wear and tear of the RB position against the player. Rookie running backs should only be able to be signed for three years and then they can be free agent or start being franchise tagged, so they are making bigger money earlier since they think their careers end earlier.
Benjamin H. That is what giants did for saquon
@@desmondokyere Saquon's agent a true G tho n he was picked 2nd, other RBs like Kamara n Hunt getting like under a mil a year when they looking like they're gonna have 20 TD seasons by the time they get to FA they'll be 26 which gives team reason to undervalue them or franchise them for a season then undervalue them lol NFL savages man
Deion Lewis got almost 9 mil a year too so did ATLs RB Freemon this is just a carefully crafted narrative from former NFL players that leave out all of Bells off the field issues and make Pittsburgh out to look like a greedy franchise
@@desmondokyere what I'm getting at is the market keeps going up. the NFL is a money printing machine that keep making more and more money. So saqoun will want more at that time also
Justin Mitchell yeah okay bud, like dion lewis and freeman are the same players as kamara and bell. This aint some crafted narrative, its literally what the teams are doing. Why you think they drafted conner lol
I hope connor is paying attention because they're gonna juice you too. Bell isn't just a rb fr.
Why doesnt anyone bring up the fact Bell has been suspended on multiple occasions for failed drug test and the next one will cost him an entire season. Or the fact he has been injury prone for 2 post season runs. Or the fact he skipped the team walk thru last year the day before a playoff game. Everyone always say that the Steelers should just pay him whatever he asked for but never mentions that he has only given them 1 full season. I hope one day Greg Jennings owns a team that way whenever a player demands a high dollar amount he can just give it to them
because people like you like to hold the "past" over certain players but override the past of others... people only bring that up (2015) in order to make their argument stronger... "bring up a persons history to devalue the production he has produced on the field"
Being avalible to be on the field for the team is a big part in deciding to pay someone 50 million dollars garenteed when they have shown you more then once that breaking the rules and hurting the team is something he is willing to do
Justin Mitchell well wht about Ben not being on the field.. dude has played 4 seasons out of 15... is that reliable?
So skipping a team walk threw the day before a playoff game vs a team that already whooped you once shouldnt be put into consideration? Is the 5 year 60+ million with 17 million garenteed in the first year a slap in the face? Bell is a big time talent but the narrative that he is this saint of a running back who's never had any issues and deserves every penny he asked for in the Steelers are some greedy football team is a false narrative that is not the actual situation Bell deserves to get paid but the Steelers shouldn't be demonized for not giving him the contract he wanted he can get it elsewhere
Justin Mitchell reports stated it was family related so make sure u include all the details!! And is a QB thats hurt every other seeason worth 100 mill a guy who hasnt been to the superbowl in 8 years?
If there were no James Conner I think you'd see the Pitt front office singing a different tune
Ted LeMoine RBs are a dime a dozen. That’s why
Let me see...Pittsburgh has 14 million put back in cap for this year. To tag Bell next year it will be 25 million. Well Pitt already has 14 million from this year so for 11 million dollars Pitt can tag Bell again.......you know they will do it.....11 million to sit his arse again and keep him from going to another team....I would do it out of spite.
Oh Poor Bell. Guy missed 15 games over 5 years. If he was reliable he would have got more Gauranteed in the 70mil they offered him. Guy turns down 14.5 Fully and now Steelers can still match lol
You obviously didn't hear what Brooks stated.
Um...no. It's how Steelers pay contracts that dictated how much they gave him guaranteed.
I'm a Steelers fan as well and I just don't get how fans throw Bell under the bus in regards to his performance for us. Sure he was suspended and those were his own fault but have you forgotten those injuries were not just part of the game...BURFICT...yeah, like I'm not laying that injury on Bell.
Still glad he didn't accept that long term deal. I think it would have turned out bad for the team. Not that I don't think Bell is good just the reality of how punishing his position is.
Wiley is wrong about Bell’s impact, he is a high value producer.
this show is growing on me. can't get with many of whitlock's takes, but he and marcellus seem to be clicking well.
There's something wrong with Whitlock, who even compared this to Colin.
Exactly!!! Nobody mentioned Cap..
people on twitter
akindele13 - Maybe he is having nightmares about the guy ?.
Bucky Brooks is too good for these clowns. He should still be in a front office. Love the Bucky and Jeremiah move the sticks pod. But Wiley and Jennings are clowns...
Bob Montez - Its called objectivity , and its actually good for networks to have different perspectives on issues .
Bell not a victim. CHOSE to be an NFL running back. CHOSE to sign every contract he signed. CHOSE to sit out to avoid injury before becoming a free agent. Expecting the Steelers to put Bell's interests before their team's is ridiculous. Hearing these commentators just say "pay the man" drives me crazy. Steelers came out of this one smelling like a rose.
Pit organization is a joke now. Their only saving grace is a weak division
Then I guess the Pats are a joke as well. Ravens, Bengals, Browns>Dolphins, Bills, Jets.
AND HE ALSO CHOSE NOT TO SIGN THE FRANCHISE TAG CONTRACT....so Bell also owes the Steelers nothing
I agree with you on the victim part. He chose all this. That’s cool he can choose to drive a school bus for all I care. As long as he owns up to it, I’m cool with it - if he pulls the victim card, nah that ain’t gonna fly.
Jon Vich you and the dude that made the original comment are stupid. He never said he was any victim, he just wants to be paid what he thinks he’s worth. You two sound stupid.
"what these Back's can give you"
Todd Gurley - 1,390 yards from scrimmage
Saquan Barkley - 1,116 yards from scrimmage
Alvin Kamara - 1,019 yards from scrimmage
Christian McCaffreey - 1,018 yards from scrimmage
James Conner - 1,158 yards from scrimmage....
Whitlock never agrees with anything a black person does 😂😂😂
Please. Give Marcus Wiley his own show, so I don't have to see him on here anymore.
This show is starting to be pretty good!
PackSquad 45 it’s got a lot better since they brought on Wiley
Hes gonna be real surprised when he gets paid by a mediocre team like the Jets and nobody in the media is talking about him anymore. He will never play in a market like the Steelers again. Will never be in that kind of spotlight again.
yesiwillsubscribe and before you know it? 30 years old
I have watched this show for some time and I must say, I absolutely love this show. They are real. I don't often agree with them but I watch them because they are real and they speak real. This is a model show with some very thought-provoking issues regarding the world of sports.
Whitlock is so nauseating
Even though I dont like the dude I agree with him on this. Bell is done & he know it that's y he was trying to get that money.
Le'Veon Bell: Toxic masculinity at any price. Good riddance. He apparently wasn't happy with the black and gold brotherhood. How much are the intangibles he left on the table worth? Being a member of one of the best sports franchises in the world apparently has no value to Le'Veon. Its not always just about the money. My prediction is that he will have another major injury for the next team he plays for due to the year of downtime he took off from the game. And that's not schadenfreude, that's injury prone. Remember Dez?
1 inhale away from another season gone....Facts
Man, Marcellus analysis and principal/principle analogy was phenomenal. Very brilliant guy, everyone had good takes in this segment but he really shined.
Bell did perfectly. Absolutely perfect. Healthy......time for next year
Pay attention to the man who worked in the Front Office, his comments, his stated facts, Brooks broke it down nicely for the fans who thinks that the NFL is the same as their HS team or their local softball team. This is a business and players are realizing their worth more so now compared to years and years ago. If you look back, to 1980 John Riggins wanted to renegotiate his 300k contract with Washington, they didn't agree on terms so he sat out that year. Riggins came back the next yr, led the team to two superbowls and also led the league in rushing as the oldest back in the league...
It's not an accident that Whitlock said, "auction yourself."
Whitlock doesn’t understand because he’s never held out on any plates of food in his life. Seize the opportunity
Everything Whitlock said was A1 on point Facts. Great discussion gentlemen.
I admire his stance. But my concern is whether I’ll be able to put up similar numbers on a new team, with a mediocre offense line?
*Lmao it might not happen, but imagine Le'Veon with the Bucs or Packers.*
Thanks, Bucky.
THIS IS MY FAVORITE NEW SHOW!!
*so what if Leveon gets injured!! Majority of players come back fine. Allen Robinson got injured his last year with JAX, yet he still got a huge contract. Why? Bcuz ppl know that knee injuries aren't as devastating as they once were. So many teams need a good RB. Bell shouldn't be worried about money cuz a team wouldv3 overpaid for him anyway* 😳
Pitt was looking for any excuse not to pay bell his value and injury would hurt his market bad
it's not because knee injuries aren't as serious, the injury he had is one that players still cant return to form from. WR was a position of need for the bears and others and he was top of the FA list for wideouts regardless of coming off of injury.
michael McDonald nope. Bell has a history of being suspended. That alone drops his value cuz now you can't 100% trust that he won't get suspended again n miss games ending up hurting his team.
Players shouldn't be mad at owners for exercising the tags when it's the players union leaders that agreed to it.
If they don't like tags, then negotiate better.
Also, nobody would care if Bell gets injured. He'll have plenty of time to heal. And there are too many teams with lots of money to spend that desperately want a talent like Bell. That's just the bottom line
eric holliday so what if WR was a position of need for the bears...RB is also a position of need for tons of teams. Bell getting injured isn't gonna stop them from pursuing him in FA
@@wolf2109 agreed it won't stop him from being pursued but the price tag that he's looking for might not be what he wants maybe not even 14.5 per year. it's a risk regardless
I like the fact that Bell stood on his words for not reporting especially after his offensive line switched sides on him. And 1 thing no one has said about james Conner numbers is that Bell takes up more attention as in Conner doesn't so when you say his numbers are better asked the defensive coordinators did they scheme for him or was just like were going to stop AB.
Glenjiman Grant great point bro but I wouldn’t mind having both can u imagine that another AK and Ingram prolly better
@@skolnation4206 I dont think that would work with this team tho or the players that is tied to this team. AB is a under cover stat chaser not really a true team player due to the fact he been over looked coming into the league by his metrics and Bell is about being the Hybrid of the RB'S and gotta keep setting the bar. But I do like the concept only if mike and the organization can sit down and show them they could be the next dynasty if they accept team money and not Super Star money.
If bell opens up the passing game why do they average more passing yds without him?
@@wilcross50 because Conner not getting as many touches or plays called for him as bell due to the fact he doesnt have that ego factor and they know what he's conner able to do but they dont know if he's durable at doing what bell does
@Glenjiman Grant and that's a bad thing? We're airing it out where we average like 7 yards per play instead of feeling obligated to feed a RB to get us 4 yards per play. Seems like taking the elite RB away is working quite well for our offense.
Whitlock is on a streak with the Ws man
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marcellus willey is one of best well spoken analyst on TV !!!!
Who compared this to Kapernick
Doah and Duce podcast a loser
Bell has never been the same 20/20 hindsight
So who brought up a comparison of Kapernick and Bell? Only Whitlock brings up Kapernick. He has to stop.
It’s because a lot of paranoid race conspiracy theorists were saying that L Bell was gonna be blackballed like Kap now, which is crazy. L Bell is a top 5 RB with at least 5-10 teams who would pay him. Kap was a bottom 5 QB with a shitload of personal baggage that would have sunk a franchise.
@@BrockLanders What personal baggage? And he wasn't a bottom 5 QB.
@@BrockLanders: Well you got it half right. When it comes to Kap try facts instead of gossip.
@@BrockLanders 16 tds to 4 ints led all qbs rushing yards and tds is "garbage" to you?
Whitlock is dumb as they get
Dude is not worth anywhere NEAR the 70 mill they offered him...Leveon is delusional
Everyone is forgetting one key factor. Le'veon bell has not played a lick of football since last season and I think what he is looking at is the fact that two people who were holding out for a better contract or opportunity are now out with injuries for the rest of the season. He will get a big contract because you have desperate teams out there that are looking for a combo like what Mahomies/kareem and Goff/gurley and brees/karmar have to solidify their offense and help carry them over the top. It isn't brain surgery. All you have to do is wait and see and once you get your contract with your new team go out there and in off season and training camp, get your body right. Dez came back to aggressive and now he is out and has to comeback from an Achilles tear that can possibly cause him to retire. I commend Le'veon bell for looking at the situation and realizing that he wasn't in football shape and shouldn't appease to anyone's opinions as to what he should do but rather take his time, get his self together and comeback next season and give his new team 110% of himself. 15 million is a lot but sometimes it's about using command sense and not looking at the paper. He has made enough. Smart financial decisions should keep most of these athletes from going broke.
Prettyfresh20 Dez didn’t tear his ACL
@@Dom1a I meant Achilles.
Bell made the biggest mistake of his career. Good luck getting back that 14.5 million and the Receiver money he seek.
Its not about race, its about the owners colluding to suppress his value.
What Kap got to do with this
Ronnie Jones he talkin bout what Stephen A been saying nfl already discrediting smith
How you gonna say the Steelers got a whole lot easier to beat in the playoffs ,but the offensive numbers prove otherwise, the numbers are way better than last years
1:29 Yeah, LeVeon's a real trailblazer... He GUARANTEED that no Steeler currently in contract talks with management will EVER think that it's a good idea to hold out... I thought when the Steelers traded Franco Harris to the Seahawks after his contract fiasco; that no Steeler would ever be dumb enough to roll the dice with the Steelers again, but I was wrong.... Bell is insane if he thinks any team with a decent O-line is gonna pay big money for that headache... If any line is that talented, they'll make any RB look good, so why should they pay for him? And if an O-line isn't good, his career won't be any longer...
Marcellus Wiley gets it
Whitlock love bringing up Colin Kaepernick for no reason. I did not hear anyone comparing Le'Veon Bell situation to Colin Kaepernick situation.
ESPN did
Whitlock never misses an opportunity to take shots at Kap🤦🏽♂️
5:55 I don't see him getting his money... I don't think any team can afford that headache...
$$$Le'Veon Bell$$$ < James Connor ....compare the stats because facts don't lie
Wiley was wrong about Kaep. That whole Denver situation was before the protest ever started
That IS the argument, Whitlock!
great discussion!
We believe in Uber drivers lol 😂
I'm a huge Steelers fan and I have a feeling L Bell is going to New England... Fits what they do perfectly and what away to really stick it to the Steelers... Join the franchise that the Steelers can't get past...
He's really taking advantage of his situation and it's not about football anymore it's about the money what about winning a championship and the love for the game as a professional
Dear Wiley, how is 5 years $70 million not paying him proper value? How many RB’s in league history have been offered that? Discussion over.
You expect me to wait for you for 20 more years?
This was 100% about money.
I think he made a mistake by not reporting on the last day so he could control his deal next year where ever he goes.
My patients are hurting
People keep comparisons to Kap is First Take they been bringing it up plus some of the ESPN shows. Thats where the Kap analogy keep coming in. .thats why Whitlock said its not the same
Marcellus Wiley looks like a well spoken Ahmed Johnson
I'm confused who the heck said something about Kap but him.
The play for LeVeon should always have been, I play on the tag this year, and then under no circumstances do I go back to Pittsburgh. I leave Pittsburgh.
Instead, he sacrificed 14 million dollars for the possible long term deal he may receive from a really bad team, and allowed other teams to notice that he was replaced in Pittsburgh, which allows doubt to creep into their minds as to whether he is a system running back or not. They moved along without him almost seemlessly. Because of definite collusion, there is no way a team is going to give him what he is asking for, lest their own players who may be tagged might try the same thing to get rewarded. He put himself on an island.
NFL players, (both former and presently playing) are like females. They are whimsical and change their opinions at the drop of a hat. LeVeon Bell has shown himself to be unreliable off the field, which puts himself in jeopardy on the field. IN WHAT WORLD DO YOU GIVE THAT MAN A MAX MONEY CONTRACT? He already has 2 failed tests which means the third one results in a year long suspension, and he had a capable backup on the team. I'm waiting for a reason.
I heard no one mention Kap except Whitlock he added the layer of Kap to the argument. The butter biscuits waiting underneath the podium on break for Whitlock.
The argument based on less risk if he doesn't report and play out season is irrelevant because it ignores the same possibility of injury next season. After signing with a new team for the money that he is looking for next offseason he could very well get a season ending injury week 1 2019.
Yes . Very good views comming forward here. As a pittsburgh native and fan...Bell became poison for the team.. glad to see him go..honestly.
We naming top RBs and no one is mentioning Zeke
The Steelers don't give overly extended bonuses because they may be the only team that continuously tries to HONORS CONTRACTS !!! I wish I had a list of players that they could have cut early but they didn't because they try to HONOR CONTRACTS. Most if not all teams don't operate like this. They do.
I think the only thing that went wrong with the Bell/Steelers situation was the communication. If they would of had a private but open dialogue with each other no one would be angry about this. Bell was so criptic in his communication with his teammates and front office. And the Steelers let dirty laundry out. And now that's it's over why keep talking about it ?
Anybody watching this segment could see the discussion of Kap didn't even belong. So why did Whitlock keep bringing it up? Why did the other analysts just politely ignore it or at least tried to ignore it? Because Whitlock masters have told him to keep pushing the issue. The others would not bite.
I don’t need them… They need me
His best chance at a chabot would have been showing up and growing on a tear down the stretch 🤷♂️
They didnt want to pay him, the Steelers were lowballing him period.
I bet Earl Thomas wishes he'd sat out
Marcel bodied everyone - CLEAR
They offered him 70 mil get out of my face when you say he wanted what he's worth. This shows that he only cares about money and not about the game and winning. Because the only way he can get more money is if he goes to a terrible team where he will never get a ring. His best choice was the Steelers.
Offering me 70mil and guaranteeing me 70mil are two different things
70 mil with probably 20 guaranteed really this not a deal
@@brandonwilliams6397 not if I'm him and I know what I'm worth. 45 guarantee and 20 upfront now we talking
dupp2424 over paid for easy to find RBs
Replace Whitlock with Chris Broussard and this show would be great
You telling me Before the protest and before the injury he wasn't considered one of the best players in the NFL You'll sound like straight puppets 2017 stats : 16 TD, 4 INT
Plenty of franchises would LOVE to have Leveon Bell’s talent and versatility. Colts could use him and he’d be Andrew Luck’s best friend lol
There should be a life time medical plan because of the head injuries and a nfl minimum wage.
Matter fact, I can be gone from here in five minutes
If he does leave, it wont affect steelers at all
I come here for Wiley, Bucky has great insight on football, Whitlock is a less silly more hating black version of Skip Bayless. Atleast when skip hates it’s funny playful hate, Whitlock is like jealously “ITS NOT LIKE THEIR GONNA NOT GONND PAY LEVEON WHY WOULDNT HE PLAY” because he works harder at his craft than you have at anything Whitlock..... everyone else makes more money off his name than him and a player is tired of the run around from the owners. It’s called Self Worth Whitlock. #NEVERSETTLE
they fumbled the Kaepernick comparisons. they must have been triggered. saying Kaepernick's name doesn't mean they're making it about race. and just because it's not identical doesn't mean it doesn't have one thing in common.
this is it: in 2018... despite the "overpaid greedy athlete national felon league" narrative.... this young man chose principle over money. and most people are honest enough to admit that they don't have the grit to turn down millions of dollars in ANY circumstance. and clearly the stance they took will improve the lives of other people. it's that simple.
This man is obsessed with Kaepernick. Literally no one has mentioned Kap in this LB contract situation.
I'm late but the Kaepernick comparison has nothing to do with race or talent, it has everything to do with the owners taking control over a rogue player!
Someone that gives away 14 million dollars doesn't want to play football.
I don't think Le'Veon Bell took his contract serious because he was partying in Miami while the season had begun.
Teams are not going to take Bell serious know that he recently left 70m dollar on the table.
The money that's offered to these players, they have the best doctors trainers physical therapist etc..
Do you even know football
What kind of question is that?
Do u really think he was going to get 70mil guarantee thats the nlf not the nba
And for what he does on the field his worth more then 70mil
@@brandonwilliams6397 I think you should read my whole comment. All of these athletes are being overpaid on and off the field.
And if you think that Bell is worth more than 70m on the field, well first of all, he's not on the field and 2nd he's giving 14m away off the field.
Would you give away that 14m?
Kaepernick?! They’re responding to an issue that isn’t even a minority opinion!
Wait, how TF did Kaepernick's name come into the argument??
Of all the Pro sports the NFL players get the shaft worse than all of them. Weak salaries, short careers, and non guaranteed contracts.