I would agree that Eric's unorthodox style was one of the key reasons he reached such a high level. BTW, when you reach the top 20 in the world rankings and beat the reigning world champion, you've earned the title of "real player".
I was in 5th grade with older brother Scott, Merrick LI.. Love the sport😁🏓 As a counter-driver, I'd like to take Tim Jr. on best of 5. As long as he feeds me that pace, i can see ripping a few by him. I noticed, some ganging up on the back hand side variations and that he seemingly worked to pressure then misdirect wide to the forehand as his opponent started to cover said backhands. Strategically wise. Bounce in step preceded being sure to get well under the ball with pips, likewise constantly redirecting the competition. Awkward players can be the hardest to pin down.
"Real players" are generally taught to play in a standard way and have no choice, it's always interesting to see different styles. Maybe if Eric Boggan had learnt to play like "real players", he wouldn't have reached the same level as with his "ugly style". And anyway, what matters is not to play like other players, but to treat yourself in playing, whatever your style is. Long live to diversity ! ;)
Received lots of money from whom? USATT never pays any players to come to their tournaments - they can't afford it. That's one of the beauties of table tennis, that such a wide variety of styles can still compete at the highest levels. Boggan reached #18 in the world in 1983 and had wins over many of the world's top players while competing in the first division of the German Bundesliga.
Eric Bogan was such a great player in his day---him and Dan Seemiller had a great rivalry --teacher vs. student. The use of anti-spin at the top level nowadays is pretty much gone--all the top players hit so hard and so often---that anti spin is no longer effective at the highest levels---however still effective at the lower levels.
What would you guys rate these guys now against the top? The game has changed so much, the science, the technique, the players... In Boggan's prime he would be rated what now? 2700? I am assuming he'd get shat on by Ma Long...
I think that world 18 would be much higher than 2700 today. USA's Kanak Jha is currently rated 2700 and is world ranked #72. I think world 18 would be 2850 2900. Canada's Eugene Wang is over 2800 and he was about 50th before the ITTF recently changed their ranking system. So if his rating is over 2800 at 50-60 in the world, imagine what top 20 in the world would be. There are players in the world that can beat him every single time with no chance of losing, and then players like Ma Long can beat those players every single time with absolutely no chance of losing. It's amazing, Ma Long with an accurate USATT rating would maybe be 3300.
You think so? See Chen Longcan vs Waldner. But you got another player who continued to compete (with little or no training) same style as Longcan and Jaliang. What could he do? Well, beat Gatien, Wang Liqin, Roskopf (Ranked 8,1997 in a set was able to make topspin just twice) Liu Guoliang (in 1996 China Open, Guoliang being Olympic Gold) Boll (in 2003) etc.etc. (including Waldner, Lindh, Saive,...) Your assumptions got a proof against as Yang Min,1963, reached world ranking #16 in 2000.
@zsyed12345678 Very good observation. His anticipation more than makes up for his untrained footwork. Like my old coach says of my backhand, it doesn't look pretty but it works.
Yeah, this is great stuff, could rather have been the worldchampion singles final. China vs Usa is always like El classico of table tennis. If Usa plays likes this they maybe even can upset China in the next(2012) team event.
@@mparento Get real and pay attention to details moron. He was just being humble. You haven't seen Chen killing everyone no mercy in world class level competitions. Go dig out some of the past world championships.
What a treat to be able to watch this video. Please post more of its kind. The quality is excellent too! 8>)
Great match ! Thanks for sharing
I would agree that Eric's unorthodox style was one of the key reasons he reached such a high level.
BTW, when you reach the top 20 in the world rankings and beat the reigning world champion, you've earned the title of "real player".
I was in 5th grade with older brother Scott, Merrick LI.. Love the sport😁🏓
As a counter-driver, I'd like to take Tim Jr. on best of 5. As long as he feeds me that pace, i can see ripping a few by him.
I noticed, some ganging up on the back hand side variations and that he seemingly worked to pressure then misdirect wide to the forehand as his opponent started to cover said backhands. Strategically wise. Bounce in step preceded being sure to get well under the ball with pips, likewise constantly redirecting the competition. Awkward players can be the hardest to pin down.
this footage is excellent. Boggan was always my favorite player to watch, with his unorthodox style. he plays with anti (on the red) right?
"Real players" are generally taught to play in a standard way and have no choice, it's always interesting to see different styles. Maybe if Eric Boggan had learnt to play like "real players", he wouldn't have reached the same level as with his "ugly style". And anyway, what matters is not to play like other players, but to treat yourself in playing, whatever your style is. Long live to diversity ! ;)
Received lots of money from whom? USATT never pays any players to come to their tournaments - they can't afford it.
That's one of the beauties of table tennis, that such a wide variety of styles can still compete at the highest levels. Boggan reached #18 in the world in 1983 and had wins over many of the world's top players while competing in the first division of the German Bundesliga.
Nice style! Like the way he loops with the anti rubber. Longcan never knew what hit him :D
Okay, but this is way too fast for my untrained eye. Does Eric mix up his offensive play and blocking with both the red and black rubber?
Eric Bogan was such a great player in his day---him and Dan Seemiller had a great rivalry --teacher vs. student. The use of anti-spin at the top level nowadays is pretty much gone--all the top players hit so hard and so often---that anti spin is no longer effective at the highest levels---however still effective at the lower levels.
Right. Players always travel halfway around the world to the US Open just so they can intentionally lose.
What would you guys rate these guys now against the top? The game has changed so much, the science, the technique, the players...
In Boggan's prime he would be rated what now? 2700? I am assuming he'd get shat on by Ma Long...
I think that world 18 would be much higher than 2700 today. USA's Kanak Jha is currently rated 2700 and is world ranked #72. I think world 18 would be 2850 2900. Canada's Eugene Wang is over 2800 and he was about 50th before the ITTF recently changed their ranking system. So if his rating is over 2800 at 50-60 in the world, imagine what top 20 in the world would be. There are players in the world that can beat him every single time with no chance of losing, and then players like Ma Long can beat those players every single time with absolutely no chance of losing. It's amazing, Ma Long with an accurate USATT rating would maybe be 3300.
@Tobiasdaneels I agree! It is the Quasimodo of TT!
It may be the only Chen Longcan I have. I think I have him playing Primorac the same tournament, but I'd have to see.
0:39 Is that a RPB from Chen?
Chen Longcan??? Please share more my friend
He probably received lots of money for being there.
But I do find it amazing some can play such a high level with a bizar style like that.
lol. Funny level in US :) Thanks for the vid.
You think so?
See Chen Longcan vs Waldner.
But you got another player who continued to compete (with little or no training) same style as Longcan and Jaliang.
What could he do?
Well, beat Gatien, Wang Liqin, Roskopf (Ranked 8,1997 in a set was able to make topspin just twice) Liu Guoliang (in 1996 China Open, Guoliang being Olympic Gold) Boll (in 2003) etc.etc. (including Waldner, Lindh, Saive,...)
Your assumptions got a proof against as Yang Min,1963, reached world ranking #16 in 2000.
Don't remember Chen Longcan winning an Olympic medal. When was that?
@zsyed12345678 Very good observation. His anticipation more than makes up for his untrained footwork. Like my old coach says of my backhand, it doesn't look pretty but it works.
Yeah, this is great stuff, could rather have been the worldchampion singles final. China vs Usa is always like El classico of table tennis. If Usa plays likes this they maybe even can upset China in the next(2012) team event.
Chen wasn't even trying. So many shots that was an easy kill he just let it go easy.
"Not even trying" is what you want people to believe when you are afraid of being embarrassed by losing to a lower ranked player.
@@mparento Get real and pay attention to details moron. He was just being humble. You haven't seen Chen killing everyone no mercy in world class level competitions. Go dig out some of the past world championships.
Ugly, but efficient. ;) Eric uses the Seemiller grip.
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I wouldn't call it efficient...it's pretty awkward and really only a gimmicky trick for junkers. There's a reason no real players use it...
Not just unorthodox he has quite stupid unnecessary movements. The ageing Chen is way below par and doesn't look like he's too bothered. Not good.
below par ranked 4th on the planet at that time yeahhh ok
He was just letting him win.
Ugliest style of table tennis i've ever seen. :)