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Love your videos, you're the best channel on this type of subjects! Would love you to do videos on atmospheric diving suites (metal ones, that eliminate the need for SAT diving to a degree), even if there's no actual accident
Have you considered doing a documentary about, the Herald of Free Enterprise disaster in 1987, (the UK's worst peacetime maritime disaster since the Titanic, that cost 193 lives)
@@waterlinestoriesthere are other ones from the UK too, the Piper Alpha oil rig disaster in 1988, that claimed the lives of 165, the Marchioness disaster in 1989, on the Thames in Central London, 51 lives lost, and probably the worst one, the Penlee Lifeboat disaster in 1981, that cost the lives of all of the 8 volunteer lifeboat crew members, during a wholly impossible and unbelievably heroic rescue attempt, of a ships captain and his family.
I was stationed on USS Reeves (CG-24) when this happened. A friend of mine’s, also on the Reeves, wife was on that ferry. She died in the accident. Our home port was Yokosuka Japan and while we were deployed to the Persian Gulf, many of the Wife’s would visit family in the Philippines. So sad.
I served on uss carl Vinson cvn-70, we ported in yokosuka while on our west pac cruise. I didn't like yokosuka that much, how was your experience there?
Awww I’m sorry… I’m not trying to bring any memories up but do you know what it was called? I would like to research it these topics greatly interest me ❤
A ship built for 400 people, modified to carry 1500 (LOL) but stuffed with over 4000 people, with an unqualified derelict crew and a tanker with just as poor of a crew. This is way beyond negligent. It’s so far past negligent it should be considered capital murder.
Funny how the brutal nutcase president of the Phillipines sees ZERO reason for punishment here with 4K dead due to extreme govt corruption, yet the man just LOVES executing ppl accused of possessing small amounts of low level drug offenses- including completely harmless ones like pharmaceuticals that are legal in the U.S., & Marijuana)
The "captain was watching a movie". Seriously smaller ships supposed to give way to larger. Yet they blamed the fuel tanker that they hit! Yeah the 3rd world countries.
My country is #1 in corruption in the EU and I still cannot comprehend the amount of incompetence there was in the Philippines. The ticket sellers should have been sent to life in prison. Similar is the case today with Pakistan - 40% of pilots with fake licenses... Pakistan Airlines 8303 flight crashed due to having a very experienced captain yet very incompetent at the same time.
You are talking about a country where people still cook scavenged food from the trash dump. This isn’t meant as an insult but to illustrate how impoverished the Philippines are. Corruption is usually rampant in poorer countries.
Ok, I've lived 12yrs in Philippines, I'm RAN (Retd) & yes, this WILL happen again. This was very big ofc. Safety on our island ferries imo varies from 'barely adequate' to 'we're all going to die". Always gather lifejackets. Sulpicio Lines trundled unsafely on after this, until bankruptcy through failing to pay kotong [corruption]. My final Sulpicio voyage was ~2010. We luckily failed to sink. _[PS: some pronunciations are dodgy!] ;-)_
To often when i was at sea I wondered how many of the cargo ships plodding along had a crew member in the bridge. To often they would take for ever to respond to the radio.
@NathanBlake-z legally yes but it not all ways the case with often late night watchman Falling asleep or not being there. Most of these cargo ships would have 1 person on watch late at night. So when we radioded them it some time took for ever for them to respond.
Every region or culture generally lives in its own little vacuum. If you weren't from or had ties to people in the Philippines all you may have heard was a quick mention on the evening news or a number going by on the headline ticker once... very sad😥
@max.racing yeah, what would I do with my life if I didn't get constant updates about Johnny Depp and Amber Heard? Good thing we had that news instead of actual major issues around the world.
Because of the socioeconomic status of the victims. Same with when the Oceangate sub sank with 5 millionaires in it, news was completely focused on that and ignored an accident that caused the loss of 700 lives on a Greek ferry hauling migrants that happened at the same time.
I remember reading a short news brief, of this accident, back when it happened. The article was short on details. I just assumed that being a massively overloaded ferry, that most of he deaths occurred due to the passengers not being able to escape the sinking ship, much like that Korean ferry, only a few years go. Didn't realize, until this video, that burning fuel (from the tanker) surrounded the ferry (on most sides), killing most of those who managed to flee the ship !
fuel was the major factor, particularly the fact it was Gasoline, which is extra flammable and easily spreads over the water... unlike in the Korean case, non of the crew survived, and the fact of who was and was not on the bridge is mostly hearsay, with the story about the captain hosting a party for some high-honored guests, whilst not unlikely, was something that appeared much later... since no action was taken, we can assume the ship had no proper watch maintained, though, the ability to maintain it was also strongly impaired by the ships poor construction (with awing's of the top decks very much blocking the view from most of bridge) the tanker, whether it had a watch or not, could effectively not maneuver, since the ship had lost all hydraulics to it's rudder, and relied on a direct pulley and drogue system that was extremely slow & made the ship zigzag by about 10 degrees.
This is crazy! That ship was way overcrowded and badly maintained! I feel bad for the children who were brought/dragged along onto the boat of bad decisions! Bad decisions all around! 🤦🏽♀️ May those people rest in peace...🙏🏽
I disagree.... IT was NOT the lookout that killed 4386 people... it was the greed of the company that put 4000 people on a boat that should only have been carrying 600. The boat would have been much faster with 6 times less passengers and could thus not have collided with the tanker had it been so. The culprit or black sheep is always a lone person, while the real crooks walk free. Disgusting.
Exactly. It's just like with the Estonia. They act like if the captain seen the damage minutes earlier that he could've saved them when if they would've stayed docked knowing the weather was good, they'd still be alive.
I've listened to the section about the crew a couple of times. I can't figure out if the title was straight-up click bait or if I'm just missing it. If they had a look out on either ship, I don't thing it would be okay if they identified them because, like you folks said, it's the greedy people at the top who are at fault. tl;dr I just want to know how much of a click-bait title this is.
But still if the look out didn't fail to do his Job they wouldn't collide with the oil vessel. Greed plays a part but ships crew are the main reason why many people died.
@@kevinreyimperial722 Maybe nobody would have died if the ship was carrying the allowed number of passengers (making it faster and not being in the way of the vessel it collided with) and if it did collide only 600 people could potentially have lost their lives instead of 4000+. The greed was also responsible for the 'extra cargo upgrade' of the vessel without taking into account to spend money also on ship stability and passenger safety. So, NO. Greed was the main actor here. It would be too easy to use the lookout as a scapegoat for this accident. The CEO's who were only interested in ROI instead of making sure their boats wouldn't claim lives when sinking are the ones that should spend the rest of their lives in jail and have their assets confiscated and redistributed among the families of the deceased.
@@MrDertien okay. But remember the ocean is so wide for both of them to safely pass. The problem is the captain was partying with the crew that's why they didn't notice the vessel.
I can't get enough of your videos. Ultra detailed and researched, and a somewhat hypnotising pace. A fascinating (albeit sad given the topics covered) window into a world I know nothing about. Keep'em coming skip, I'm here for them.
I was serving my first year in the USN and 19 years old. For context, the number of people that lost their lives is close to the full complement of a US Navy suppercarrier. Crazy.
@free_balloons No smarty but in the overall context of incidents at sea and loss of life I was trying to relate the loss of life as it compares to modern super ships like CVNs and their compliment.
The fact that the line continued to work after this makes it even more absurd. But in 2nd world countries safety regulations and their enforcement are usually an expensive luxury.
@@1978garfield Local shipping companies tend to cheap out especially if their ships only sail to local ports where the occasional bribe is cheaper than complying with the standards. The actual competent sailors want to sail internationally on foreign-owned where the pay and living conditions on the ships are generally better.
PLEASE DONT BLAME THE POOR LOOK OUT..Blame the port authorities for letting the ship sail from the port with a list to port cos it was overloaded..? It’s always pinned on some poor guy on the ferry when we all no who’s responsible
Oil tankers aren't traditionally known for their stealth capabilities so how did the LOOK OUT who's job is to LOOK OUT for other ships miss it. While yes the ship should have never left port but if the LOOK OUT had done his job and LOOKED OUT for the tanker this wouldn't have happened.
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Well, she likely lost her employer, her job, and landed in a unfamiliar island were she didn't knew anyone, without any resources. No wonder it took her so long, but what a tenacity to not give up and settle somewere during 25 years
as a person from the country this happened in... not surprising. It's 3rd world stuff. There was that time some time the other year when we had like 3 oil spills from maritime accidents all within the span of 2 months. 1987 was a little after the 20 year dictator and his crony capitalist economy was replaced and the constitution was rewritten so at the height of pre-duterte government corruption when the government no longer had control over media and things were suddenly allowed to be known to the public.
It most likely had a radio, but it was "broken". But the idea of it not having a radio installed at all is astounding, to say the least. - by autosensoring this reply, YT automatically agrees that it's bullying and harassing me thus causing me lasting psychological harm.
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@@Pewnhound112 A tanker carrying "1 million liters of gasoline and petrol products" is by no means a large vessel. A large ocean going vessel has almost ten times as much fuel oil onboard as the Vecter had as cargo. There are literally fuel barges in ports that are larger than the Vecter has been.
The crazy thing is that in terms of safety, so little goes so far. They could've had one watchperson in each corner of the ship and still would've made a huge profit. In the end, it's not about the cost, but about ignorance and indifference.
im not far into the video yet but so far i gotta admit, atleast valories employers cared enough to get her a life jacket cause they knew how sketchy these ferries get. its not often you see employers caring in these vids
@@nativeafroeurasian The truck driver set a brick on the accelerator and curled up in the sleeper for a nap. The bus driver drank too much and fell asleep with his foot on the accelerator.
While watching the video, I kept thinking of another, even worse, sinking. The ship was the MV WILHELM GUSTLOFF a passenger ship used to transport German refugees fleeing from the Russian army in Courland, East Prussia. The vessel was carrying over 10,000 people, and over 9,000 perished after the ship was sunk by a Russian submarine.
Thank you for getting back to me. You are so correct concerning a peacetime vs. wartime sinking. I attempted to let the video viewers know that larger losses of lives in ship sinkings have occurred. @@knockeledup
your research and presententation of these stories is top notch! the vivid descriptions make it all too real! thank you for your time in sharing these! 😢
In New Zealand on October 2011 a container ship crewed by Filipino officers who as result of incompetence of the Captain & Watchkeeper allowed their ship to slam into a charted reef which destroyed the ship and also caused an enormous environmental disaster.
What's your point? The Philippines supplies more seafarers and officers than any other country. My ex-gf's dad was a seafarer (ship engineer), and my wife's sister's husband is also a ship engineer. Of course when you are the biggest supplier of employees in a 2-million person industry, some of them are going to be less competent/professional, but that doesn't mean they all are.
@@DavidTheScientist I would also like to add that we are grateful in my country because our Filipino healthcare workers are among the best in the world.
This is by no means an extraordinary tragedy save for the number of lives lost. Corruption of this kind in this part of the world is very much the norm. RIP to all those who died in this terrible tragedy.
As an Indonesian who knows well how corupt my country is, watching this video makes me sick. This is too much corruption from the Philippines, y'all need to reduce your overcorruption.
seeing the gravity of corruption in the country back 80-2010's, yea, the ship company will blame the passengers instead of the overload capacity due to feign ignorance of their irresponsibility
I've known about this for a long time but every time I read or watch something about it I get the same awful feeling. This tragedy is one of the most sickening things I've ever seen. The absolute disregard for human life for the sake of being lazy, cheap, and greedy is hideous and it's good to see more attention finally being drawn to this in the west.
It's horrendous, especially when she should have been taken care of by Sulpicio Lines. Unfortunately in the Philippines, so many live day-to-day, and once stuck somewhere, they may rarely have an opportunity to return home. I sponsor a kid who lives in the slums of Manila, and when I visited his family, his mum told us that she hadn't been back to her island to visit her family in about 20 years if I recall correctly. I definitely struggled to hold back tears hearing that... after all, I'd just hopped off a flight the day before from Tacloban, it cost about $100, not so much for me, but for their family, a $500 trip home to see family is simply an impossibility 😔
A good friend was a missionary and got married in the Philippines and has a very smart and beautiful daughter, who was beyond respectful, stories they told me about safety and corruption there was unreal. I really felt bad for her, I've lost touch with both of them, they both needed help.
🇵🇭 Im still puzzled. The sea is so big and wide. How the Heck did two tiny dots on the sea collided. Dumb Boat Captains! Lost more than 4000+ lives in 2-3hrs.
Its super sad that guy had to go 25 years w/o seeing his daughter bc no one would own up and buy her a return ticket. Man humans can be horrible critters!
Let me guess, no one from either company or the Philippine Coast Guard went to jail? Most people don't understand just how easy and how fast a quiet watch can go to hell. Naval ships are over manned with watch standers and we still end up in collisions. On our honeymoon, we went on a Caribbean cruise. I mentioned that I was a serving Naval Officer and asked if I could show my wife the bridge and try and explain what I did at sea. The watch officer agreed. The first thing I did was look in the radar repeater. When I saw a contact I asked if the scope was in true or relative. He said relative. I looked out the port hatch and saw a small sail boat at about a quarter mile that the watch had completely missed. The cruise ship was doing 20 knots so that is one nautical mile every 3 minutes. Easy to get in trouble. I would have made a big deal but it appeared that the bridge watch was otherwise competent and actually doing their jobs. After that, my wife said that she was glad it was me and not her going to sea.
Reminds me of the Sultana paddle wheel boat on the Mississippi River at the end of the Civil War. Way overloaded on a boat that wasn't meant to carry even half the number of people she was carrying. More people died than on the Titanic, many of them were Union soldiers trying to get back home after the war.
I think they need to teach ethics to their children in school so later in life they would think twice about taking bribes or putting peoples lives in danger.
That father recalling how his daughter's skin came off and he lost her under the waves is not something I was ready for with a toddler of my own. God damnit.
Company Guidebook 101: Whenever tragedy strikes always look for a scapegoat. In this case, never mind a severely overloaded vessel, go for the lookout.
Safety violations work on the 'boiling a frog' principle. A number of violations that by themselves are minor, build up over time. And every time you make a safety violation that does not cause an accident, then you have set a new - and loser - safety standard.
These companies must be fined very hard because they keep on hiring personnel that hasn't the requested skills to work on a petrolship, it happens in every field of the ships compartment
First read of the title - this must be a typo. Second thought: its got to be a RO-RO. Nope - wow. Cannot even imagine that level of hell, makes pearl harbor look surgical.
From watching this man’s recounts I’ve gathered this- Never doing cave diving Never going on a boat Never going to have a bath. The water is too crazy.
I swear I have seen this before. I remember the story so well and I know how it ends although you posted the video 2 days ago… Have you re uploaded the video?
This is an outrageous failure on every level it always ends this way with a shock and awe devastating level of loss truly appalling. God have mercy . ✝️
Worse than the titanic with the fire and jumping into a fiery water , the number of people. Absolutely worse than the titanic and first I’ve ever heard of this 😢
I have taken more than a few of fairies like this on the Philippines. I always hate being on them you never feel safe and you can see the lack of safety measures , the poor Maintenance and Untrained crew. This story is heart breaking and what makes it worse a lot of simple things could have prevented it.
This is the state of humanity, if these were americans or europeans it would have been the biggest story of the century, 3x as many people died here as on the Titanic from complete neglect by everyone.
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Sounded familiar. lol
Love your videos, you're the best channel on this type of subjects! Would love you to do videos on atmospheric diving suites (metal ones, that eliminate the need for SAT diving to a degree), even if there's no actual accident
Have you considered doing a documentary about,
the Herald of Free Enterprise disaster in 1987,
(the UK's worst peacetime maritime disaster since the Titanic, that cost 193 lives)
@AdamGoodman4U thanks I’ll add it to the list
@@waterlinestoriesthere are other ones from the UK too, the Piper Alpha oil rig disaster in 1988, that claimed the lives of 165, the Marchioness disaster in 1989, on the Thames in Central London, 51 lives lost, and probably the worst one, the Penlee Lifeboat disaster in 1981, that cost the lives
of all of the 8 volunteer lifeboat crew members, during a wholly impossible and unbelievably heroic rescue attempt, of a ships captain and his family.
I was stationed on USS Reeves (CG-24) when this happened. A friend of mine’s, also on the Reeves, wife was on that ferry. She died in the accident. Our home port was Yokosuka Japan and while we were deployed to the Persian Gulf, many of the Wife’s would visit family in the Philippines. So sad.
Such a terrible event.
I served on uss carl Vinson cvn-70, we ported in yokosuka while on our west pac cruise. I didn't like yokosuka that much, how was your experience there?
My condolences to your friend. That kind of corruption is obscene.
I'm curious do you happen to be a Black guy?
May Your Gods bless You and Yours and all those before...
This one hurts because my cousin died while on crew on another Sulpicio Lines boat that sank and killed 800+ people.
Awww I’m sorry… I’m not trying to bring any memories up but do you know what it was called? I would like to research it these topics greatly interest me ❤
Sorry for your loss 😢🌹🕊️
are you talking about the princess of the star??
Sorry for your loss. That can be hard to deal with.😔
I am sorry to hear this.
Everyone knows about the Titanic, but very few people know about the Doña Paz tragedy, which was like 3 Titanics Sinking in terms of ppl killed.
Yeah, first time I heard about it was on this channel
Their not the right skin color. And their not wealthy
World population:
1912 - 1.8 billion.
1987 - 5.0 billion.
So relative to the number people on Earth, the tragedies were similar.
White supremacy. Same reason people act like 9/11 was a genocide
@@jamesfahey4508What a weird way to look at things. As if the number of people on earth ever mattered for a tragedy.
A ship built for 400 people, modified to carry 1500 (LOL) but stuffed with over 4000 people, with an unqualified derelict crew and a tanker with just as poor of a crew. This is way beyond negligent. It’s so far past negligent it should be considered capital murder.
Funny how the brutal nutcase president of the Phillipines sees ZERO reason for punishment
here with 4K dead due to extreme govt corruption, yet the man just LOVES executing ppl accused of possessing small amounts of low level drug offenses- including completely harmless ones like pharmaceuticals that are legal in the U.S., & Marijuana)
The "captain was watching a movie". Seriously smaller ships supposed to give way to larger. Yet they blamed the fuel tanker that they hit! Yeah the 3rd world countries.
My country is #1 in corruption in the EU and I still cannot comprehend the amount of incompetence there was in the Philippines. The ticket sellers should have been sent to life in prison. Similar is the case today with Pakistan - 40% of pilots with fake licenses... Pakistan Airlines 8303 flight crashed due to having a very experienced captain yet very incompetent at the same time.
all things typical for the third world
You are talking about a country where people still cook scavenged food from the trash dump. This isn’t meant as an insult but to illustrate how impoverished the Philippines are. Corruption is usually rampant in poorer countries.
Ok, I've lived 12yrs in Philippines, I'm RAN (Retd) & yes, this WILL happen again. This was very big ofc.
Safety on our island ferries imo varies from 'barely adequate' to 'we're all going to die". Always gather lifejackets.
Sulpicio Lines trundled unsafely on after this, until bankruptcy through failing to pay kotong [corruption].
My final Sulpicio voyage was ~2010. We luckily failed to sink. _[PS: some pronunciations are dodgy!] ;-)_
TYVM for sharing!!! Glad you lived to tell us!!
To often when i was at sea I wondered how many of the cargo ships plodding along had a crew member in the bridge. To often they would take for ever to respond to the radio.
@NathanBlake-z legally yes but it not all ways the case with often late night watchman Falling asleep or not being there. Most of these cargo ships would have 1 person on watch late at night. So when we radioded them it some time took for ever for them to respond.
@NathanBlake-z radar needs a person
This is such a tragedy, how the hell have I not heard of it till now
Every region or culture generally lives in its own little vacuum. If you weren't from or had ties to people in the Philippines all you may have heard was a quick mention on the evening news or a number going by on the headline ticker once...
very sad😥
@max.racing yeah, what would I do with my life if I didn't get constant updates about Johnny Depp and Amber Heard? Good thing we had that news instead of actual major issues around the world.
This thing is still remember here well, though part of the public culture cannon now since it happened a long time ago
The passengers weren't rich white people. That's why.
Because of the socioeconomic status of the victims. Same with when the Oceangate sub sank with 5 millionaires in it, news was completely focused on that and ignored an accident that caused the loss of 700 lives on a Greek ferry hauling migrants that happened at the same time.
It reminds me of the old proverb, "Train as you will fight for you will fight as you are trained".
I'm afraid this is worsening my phobia of ships and cruises or being anywhere near the ocean and water but I can't stop watching this channel
I remember reading a short news brief, of this accident, back when it happened. The article was short on details. I just assumed that being a massively overloaded ferry, that most of he deaths occurred due to the passengers not being able to escape the sinking ship, much like that Korean ferry, only a few years go. Didn't realize, until this video, that burning fuel (from the tanker) surrounded the ferry (on most sides), killing most of those who managed to flee the ship !
fuel was the major factor, particularly the fact it was Gasoline, which is extra flammable and easily spreads over the water... unlike in the Korean case, non of the crew survived, and the fact of who was and was not on the bridge is mostly hearsay, with the story about the captain hosting a party for some high-honored guests, whilst not unlikely, was something that appeared much later... since no action was taken, we can assume the ship had no proper watch maintained, though, the ability to maintain it was also strongly impaired by the ships poor construction (with awing's of the top decks very much blocking the view from most of bridge)
the tanker, whether it had a watch or not, could effectively not maneuver, since the ship had lost all hydraulics to it's rudder, and relied on a direct pulley and drogue system that was extremely slow & made the ship zigzag by about 10 degrees.
The Sewol? Yeah man that was devastating. Those poor kids. The "captain" deserves nothing short of hell.
This is crazy! That ship was way overcrowded and badly maintained! I feel bad for the children who were brought/dragged along onto the boat of bad decisions!
Bad decisions all around! 🤦🏽♀️
May those people rest in peace...🙏🏽
Very professional presentation.You always present with knowledge and compassion.
I disagree.... IT was NOT the lookout that killed 4386 people... it was the greed of the company that put 4000 people on a boat that should only have been carrying 600. The boat would have been much faster with 6 times less passengers and could thus not have collided with the tanker had it been so. The culprit or black sheep is always a lone person, while the real crooks walk free. Disgusting.
Exactly. It's just like with the Estonia. They act like if the captain seen the damage minutes earlier that he could've saved them when if they would've stayed docked knowing the weather was good, they'd still be alive.
I've listened to the section about the crew a couple of times. I can't figure out if the title was straight-up click bait or if I'm just missing it.
If they had a look out on either ship, I don't thing it would be okay if they identified them because, like you folks said, it's the greedy people at the top who are at fault.
tl;dr I just want to know how much of a click-bait title this is.
But still if the look out didn't fail to do his Job they wouldn't collide with the oil vessel. Greed plays a part but ships crew are the main reason why many people died.
@@kevinreyimperial722 Maybe nobody would have died if the ship was carrying the allowed number of passengers (making it faster and not being in the way of the vessel it collided with) and if it did collide only 600 people could potentially have lost their lives instead of 4000+.
The greed was also responsible for the 'extra cargo upgrade' of the vessel without taking into account to spend money also on ship stability and passenger safety.
So, NO. Greed was the main actor here. It would be too easy to use the lookout as a scapegoat for this accident. The CEO's who were only interested in ROI instead of making sure their boats wouldn't claim lives when sinking are the ones that should spend the rest of their lives in jail and have their assets confiscated and redistributed among the families of the deceased.
@@MrDertien okay. But remember the ocean is so wide for both of them to safely pass. The problem is the captain was partying with the crew that's why they didn't notice the vessel.
I can't get enough of your videos. Ultra detailed and researched, and a somewhat hypnotising pace. A fascinating (albeit sad given the topics covered) window into a world I know nothing about. Keep'em coming skip, I'm here for them.
Lovely story thank you ❤
I've lived out here for a decade, it's still talked about . A national tragedy
Even though I watched your original video on this, I ended up watching the whole video again. Your videos are really captivating.
I was serving my first year in the USN and 19 years old. For context, the number of people that lost their lives is close to the full complement of a US Navy suppercarrier. Crazy.
@free_balloons No smarty but in the overall context of incidents at sea and loss of life I was trying to relate the loss of life as it compares to modern super ships like CVNs and their compliment.
@@rickbase833 Plus how tiny that ferry is compared to a super carrier and yet carried nearly the same amount of people.
Stay safe out there sailor!
Thank you for your excellent story telling, the best I have heard.😊
Thanks, I really appreciate that
I never get the gross disregard for safety. Rated for 1500, but carrying 3 times that. Nobody on watch....on either ship.
The fact that the line continued to work after this makes it even more absurd. But in 2nd world countries safety regulations and their enforcement are usually an expensive luxury.
It gets me that the crews on these ships accept this as normal.
"Who's on watch? Nobody? Oh, well. I'm sure it will be fine."
3rd world standards of operations.
Life is cheap.
" God will protect us"
Catholic church . . .
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@@1978garfield Local shipping companies tend to cheap out especially if their ships only sail to local ports where the occasional bribe is cheaper than complying with the standards. The actual competent sailors want to sail internationally on foreign-owned where the pay and living conditions on the ships are generally better.
You can't trust in anything else at sea, except you, your vessel and your crew. I take full command and responsibility for the safety of my vessel.
Hell yeah!
Aye aye cap i tain
A rubber ducky raft isn't much of a vessel but as long as you take command of it sail on Capt sail on ! 😂.
I'm just joking bro . 👍.
PLEASE DONT BLAME THE POOR LOOK OUT..Blame the port authorities for letting the ship sail from the port with a list to port cos it was overloaded..? It’s always pinned on some poor guy on the ferry when we all no who’s responsible
Oil tankers aren't traditionally known for their stealth capabilities so how did the LOOK OUT who's job is to LOOK OUT for other ships miss it. While yes the ship should have never left port but if the LOOK OUT had done his job and LOOKED OUT for the tanker this wouldn't have happened.
They needed a fall guy.
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This is one tragedy that I am actually well aware of; it disgusts me that such corruption can occur at this scale
Then you have the Bidens...
It's Asia... this shit happens all the time over there...
Thanks for bringing misconduct like this to light, we can only hope that the water will become safer eventually
It took her 25 years to get home and see her father?? That is crazy!
Well, she likely lost her employer, her job, and landed in a unfamiliar island were she didn't knew anyone, without any resources. No wonder it took her so long, but what a tenacity to not give up and settle somewere during 25 years
@@aterxter3437 lol I wasn't having a go at her
@@johnmckay1961 I don't think any go's was had on either side, my friend.
@@johnmckay1961What… He’s not having a go either he’s explaining…..
I'm having a go! What the hell, there werent that many survivors and the company still weasled their way out of paying her. That is horrific.
You threw me for a loop putting a video out on Thursday. Again my favorite site and story teller. 😉❤😉
I know. This was just an old video that I had to make some tweaks to do I published it as soon as it was ready. Great too see you as always.
@@waterlinestories With my broken ankle I can't join your other sight but I hope I don't lose contact with my favorite guy??!!
@beverlyreiner-baillargeon6205 I always try to keep an eye out for you. 😁
@@waterlinestories And I keep an eye out for you, my friend 😉
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A passenger ship in 1987 HAS NO RADIO to communicate with other ships? Un-f-believable!
I know. I'm an ex Merchant Seaman. The idea of a vessel that size with no VHF at the very least is astounding.
as a person from the country this happened in... not surprising. It's 3rd world stuff. There was that time some time the other year when we had like 3 oil spills from maritime accidents all within the span of 2 months. 1987 was a little after the 20 year dictator and his crony capitalist economy was replaced and the constitution was rewritten so at the height of pre-duterte government corruption when the government no longer had control over media and things were suddenly allowed to be known to the public.
Probably sold it for some beer money.
It most likely had a radio, but it was "broken". But the idea of it not having a radio installed at all is astounding, to say the least.
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@@plateshutoverlock YT's censorship is such BS. The most harmless comments disappear
First time I've watched a video from this channel and I'm impressed! Already subscribed! The wealth of material, images, and information are amazing. Great research work! Kudos 👏👏👏👏👏
To be fair Oil Tankers are small stealthy, fast and very hard to notice
I was thinking the same thing. How do you not see a slow-moving vessel the size of a small country bearing down on you?
My sarcasm alarm is deafening me.
Drunk. The watchman should only drink to keep alert.
Nothing could be done…
@@Pewnhound112 A tanker carrying "1 million liters of gasoline and petrol products" is by no means a large vessel. A large ocean going vessel has almost ten times as much fuel oil onboard as the Vecter had as cargo. There are literally fuel barges in ports that are larger than the Vecter has been.
Thanks again for another great video mate. Always keen for a waterline drop! Even if I start work in 5 hours!
You are doing an incredible job!
Agreed
The crazy thing is that in terms of safety, so little goes so far. They could've had one watchperson in each corner of the ship and still would've made a huge profit. In the end, it's not about the cost, but about ignorance and indifference.
im not far into the video yet but so far i gotta admit, atleast valories employers cared enough to get her a life jacket cause they knew how sketchy these ferries get. its not often you see employers caring in these vids
Another case of people on the ground unable to refuse upper managements BS, but trying their hardest to mitigate the danger; tale as old as time
Another well presented and researched maritime doco! Well done and best wishes from Australia! 😁😄😄😄
Thanks mate. 👌🏻
Really enjoy your videos, glad I found your channel.
It's like a drunk driving 18-wheel trucker collided with a bus load of people going to Atlantic City....whose driver was also drunk.
A bus that burned down, was rebuilt into a double decker and still packed people in the aisles and on the roof
And both drivers are sleeping
@@nativeafroeurasian The truck driver set a brick on the accelerator and curled up in the sleeper for a nap.
The bus driver drank too much and fell asleep with his foot on the accelerator.
@@1978garfield no need for a brick with cruise control but best analogy so far
No where close to the magnitude. It's like a hundred trucks, trailers filled with people hit a hundred busses
While watching the video, I kept thinking of another, even worse, sinking. The ship was the MV WILHELM GUSTLOFF a passenger ship used to transport German refugees fleeing from the Russian army in Courland, East Prussia. The vessel was carrying over 10,000 people, and over 9,000 perished after the ship was sunk by a Russian submarine.
That was during war, this was the worst during peace time.
Thank you for getting back to me. You are so correct concerning a peacetime vs. wartime sinking. I attempted to let the video viewers know that larger losses of lives in ship sinkings have occurred. @@knockeledup
Soviet, not russian
@@KlaunFuhrer-du7fr Cause russia is so different from the soviet era lol. russian and civilian killing a love story.
@@knockeledupWhy would that distinction matter? It was still the sinking with the biggest loss of lives.
your research and presententation of these stories is top notch! the vivid descriptions make it all too real! thank you for your time in sharing these! 😢
Thanks 👍🏻
The Dona Paz is straight horror
From the fires of hell
In New Zealand on October 2011 a container ship crewed by Filipino officers who as result of incompetence of the Captain & Watchkeeper allowed their ship to slam into a charted reef which destroyed the ship and also caused an enormous environmental disaster.
What's your point? The Philippines supplies more seafarers and officers than any other country. My ex-gf's dad was a seafarer (ship engineer), and my wife's sister's husband is also a ship engineer.
Of course when you are the biggest supplier of employees in a 2-million person industry, some of them are going to be less competent/professional, but that doesn't mean they all are.
@@DavidTheScientist I agree, regardless of nationality.
@@DavidTheScientist I would also like to add that we are grateful in my country because our Filipino healthcare workers are among the best in the world.
Purely criminal even though a common practice. Sounds like tanker was single-skin hull and easily punctured.
literally hell or high water, what an inferno. damn, over the capacity, there's always a disaster happening
This is by no means an extraordinary tragedy save for the number of lives lost. Corruption of this kind in this part of the world is very much the norm. RIP to all those who died in this terrible tragedy.
As an Indonesian who knows well how corupt my country is, watching this video makes me sick. This is too much corruption from the Philippines, y'all need to reduce your overcorruption.
I‘ve traveled a lot of ferries in my life and I was always comfortable with it. Stories like this scares the shit out me though
seeing the gravity of corruption in the country back 80-2010's, yea, the ship company will blame the passengers instead of the overload capacity due to feign ignorance of their irresponsibility
good to know Ppino corruption ended in the 2010s.
🇵🇭 Vector: Capt Not on Wheel
Dona Paz: Capt having party, not on wheel too
I've known about this for a long time but every time I read or watch something about it I get the same awful feeling. This tragedy is one of the most sickening things I've ever seen. The absolute disregard for human life for the sake of being lazy, cheap, and greedy is hideous and it's good to see more attention finally being drawn to this in the west.
It took 25 years for that poor girl Valerie to make it back home?! I'm sorry, WHAT?!
It's horrendous, especially when she should have been taken care of by Sulpicio Lines.
Unfortunately in the Philippines, so many live day-to-day, and once stuck somewhere, they may rarely have an opportunity to return home. I sponsor a kid who lives in the slums of Manila, and when I visited his family, his mum told us that she hadn't been back to her island to visit her family in about 20 years if I recall correctly. I definitely struggled to hold back tears hearing that... after all, I'd just hopped off a flight the day before from Tacloban, it cost about $100, not so much for me, but for their family, a $500 trip home to see family is simply an impossibility 😔
The more I learn about this, the more insane it becomes.
LEGENDARY WORK AS ALWAYS!
A good friend was a missionary and got married in the Philippines and has a very smart and beautiful daughter, who was beyond respectful, stories they told me about safety and corruption there was unreal.
I really felt bad for her, I've lost touch with both of them, they both needed help.
Thank you for making such quality content really good video.
This was a very interesting story thanks !
It took her 25 years to reunite with her father?! Wow, another tragedy upon tragedy!
Of all the people eventually blamed, the Coast gaurd escaped any at all? It took them that long to respond? Really?
🇵🇭 Im still puzzled. The sea is so big and wide. How the Heck did two tiny dots on the sea collided.
Dumb Boat Captains! Lost more than 4000+ lives in 2-3hrs.
Same way two airplanes collide. It never happens, until it does.
The blame is totaly down to the Harbour Master - for allowing the vessel to sail.
Its super sad that guy had to go 25 years w/o seeing his daughter bc no one would own up and buy her a return ticket. Man humans can be horrible critters!
Horrible incident. Bless the people.
Over loading ferries seems to be common place in many countries. As usual unqualified people were employed who took bribes to compensate for low pay.
Let me guess, no one from either company or the Philippine Coast Guard went to jail? Most people don't understand just how easy and how fast a quiet watch can go to hell. Naval ships are over manned with watch standers and we still end up in collisions. On our honeymoon, we went on a Caribbean cruise. I mentioned that I was a serving Naval Officer and asked if I could show my wife the bridge and try and explain what I did at sea. The watch officer agreed. The first thing I did was look in the radar repeater. When I saw a contact I asked if the scope was in true or relative. He said relative. I looked out the port hatch and saw a small sail boat at about a quarter mile that the watch had completely missed. The cruise ship was doing 20 knots so that is one nautical mile every 3 minutes. Easy to get in trouble. I would have made a big deal but it appeared that the bridge watch was otherwise competent and actually doing their jobs. After that, my wife said that she was glad it was me and not her going to sea.
Reminds me of the Sultana paddle wheel boat on the Mississippi River at the end of the Civil War. Way overloaded on a boat that wasn't meant to carry even half the number of people she was carrying. More people died than on the Titanic, many of them were Union soldiers trying to get back home after the war.
Great watch ..many thanks !
I think they need to teach ethics to their children in school so later in life they would think twice about taking bribes or putting peoples lives in danger.
The insurance companies of both ships should not have to paid out the insurance due to too many factors that were
illegal.
Great video man im a new subscription 😎❤
Wow, never heard of this sinking. Over 4000 dead. Whoa. Shocking.
How very heartbreaking, and infuriating!
That father recalling how his daughter's skin came off and he lost her under the waves is not something I was ready for with a toddler of my own. God damnit.
Honestly... that was haunting to see and hear. Poor man, I don't think he'll ever find peace
Nice video waterline.
Thanks👍🏻
Company Guidebook 101:
Whenever tragedy strikes always look for a scapegoat.
In this case, never mind a severely overloaded vessel, go for the lookout.
what a nightmare
Don't they have a simple radar monitoring system, like a close proximity alarm?
The ferry didn't have one.
It's always a bad sign when someone has a gut feeling abut something you just no that you know.
I never get the gross disregard for safety. Rated for 1500, but carrying 3 times that.
Safety violations work on the 'boiling a frog' principle. A number of violations that by themselves are minor, build up over time. And every time you make a safety violation that does not cause an accident, then you have set a new - and loser - safety standard.
It took Valerie 25 years to get home? That's terrible. It's great that times have changed. That would never happen to someone today.
"Making it one of the safest means of transport in the Philippines" isn't much of a boast is it.
Certain parts looked like the ferry I took in Japan in 1972, but I remember it had a lot more deck space. Perhaps it's the same one...?
12:30 It took her 25 years to get back to where her father was? I don't understand that part at all.
This is such a horrible story. I have no words.
These companies must be fined very hard because they keep on hiring personnel that hasn't the requested skills to work on a petrolship, it happens in every field of the ships compartment
Wow!! Sounds like all she wanted to spend time with her family during the holidays
First read of the title - this must be a typo. Second thought: its got to be a RO-RO. Nope - wow. Cannot even imagine that level of hell, makes pearl harbor look surgical.
How did it go from a capacity of 650 to 1,200 passengers when it sold??!
The tanker did everything correct and got screwed over.
Total scapegoats. The judges were bribed
Excellent video as always, cheers m8!
9:14 "It had no radio"
From watching this man’s recounts I’ve gathered this-
Never doing cave diving
Never going on a boat
Never going to have a bath. The water is too crazy.
I think we should pitch in and finally send her the $500 she is owed.
Fun Fact: The MV Dona Paz is literally smaller than the Titanic.... Yet it got overcrowded with 4000 people
I swear I have seen this before. I remember the story so well and I know how it ends although you posted the video 2 days ago…
Have you re uploaded the video?
Yeah, I had to fix a few issues with it and then put it back out. 👍🏻
This is an outrageous failure on every level it always ends this way with a shock and awe devastating level of loss truly appalling.
God have mercy .
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It was nice of you to show some compassion for the Phillipino maritime industry but you'll never catch me there on a local vessel.
"In the name of profit." Hmmm...never heard of that before!
Overcrowded still happens here
Worse than the titanic with the fire and jumping into a fiery water , the number of people. Absolutely worse than the titanic and first I’ve ever heard of this 😢
I have taken more than a few of fairies like this on the Philippines. I always hate being on them you never feel safe and you can see the lack of safety measures , the poor Maintenance and Untrained crew.
This story is heart breaking and what makes it worse a lot of simple things could have prevented it.
This is the state of humanity, if these were americans or europeans it would have been the biggest story of the century, 3x as many people died here as on the Titanic from complete neglect by everyone.
The bottom line comes at 12:45 Things have gotten dramatically better, you learn at the end.
25 years to reunite with her father?!