This Lookout Killed 4386 People
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Sounded familiar. lol
Love your videos, you're the best channel on this type of subjects! Would love you to do videos on atmospheric diving suites (metal ones, that eliminate the need for SAT diving to a degree), even if there's no actual accident
Have you considered doing a documentary about,
the Herald of Free Enterprise disaster in 1987,
(the UK's worst peacetime maritime disaster since the Titanic, that cost 193 lives)
@AdamGoodman4U thanks I’ll add it to the list
@@waterlinestoriesthere are other ones from the UK too, the Piper Alpha oil rig disaster in 1988, that claimed the lives of 165, the Marchioness disaster in 1989, on the Thames in Central London, 51 lives lost, and probably the worst one, the Penlee Lifeboat disaster in 1981, that cost the lives
of all of the 8 volunteer lifeboat crew members, during a wholly impossible and unbelievably heroic rescue attempt, of a ships captain and his family.
A ship built for 400 people, modified to carry 1500 (LOL) but stuffed with over 4000 people, with an unqualified derelict crew and a tanker with just as poor of a crew. This is way beyond negligent. It’s so far past negligent it should be considered capital murder.
Funny how the brutal nutcase president of the Phillipines sees ZERO reason for punishment
here with 4K dead due to extreme govt corruption, yet the man just LOVES executing ppl accused of possessing small amounts of low level drug offenses- including completely harmless ones like pharmaceuticals that are legal in the U.S., & Marijuana)
The "captain was watching a movie". Seriously smaller ships supposed to give way to larger. Yet they blamed the fuel tanker that they hit! Yeah the 3rd world countries.
My country is #1 in corruption in the EU and I still cannot comprehend the amount of incompetence there was in the Philippines. The ticket sellers should have been sent to life in prison. Similar is the case today with Pakistan - 40% of pilots with fake licenses... Pakistan Airlines 8303 flight crashed due to having a very experienced captain yet very incompetent at the same time.
all things typical for the third world
I disagree.... IT was NOT the lookout that killed 4386 people... it was the greed of the company that put 4000 people on a boat that should only have been carrying 600. The boat would have been much faster with 6 times less passengers and could thus not have collided with the tanker had it been so. The culprit or black sheep is always a lone person, while the real crooks walk free. Disgusting.
Exactly. It's just like with the Estonia. They act like if the captain seen the damage minutes earlier that he could've saved them when if they would've stayed docked knowing the weather was good, they'd still be alive.
I've listened to the section about the crew a couple of times. I can't figure out if the title was straight-up click bait or if I'm just missing it.
If they had a look out on either ship, I don't thing it would be okay if they identified them because, like you folks said, it's the greedy people at the top who are at fault.
tl;dr I just want to know how much of a click-bait title this is.
But still if the look out didn't fail to do his Job they wouldn't collide with the oil vessel. Greed plays a part but ships crew are the main reason why many people died.
@@kevinreyimperial722 Maybe nobody would have died if the ship was carrying the allowed number of passengers (making it faster and not being in the way of the vessel it collided with) and if it did collide only 600 people could potentially have lost their lives instead of 4000+.
The greed was also responsible for the 'extra cargo upgrade' of the vessel without taking into account to spend money also on ship stability and passenger safety.
So, NO. Greed was the main actor here. It would be too easy to use the lookout as a scapegoat for this accident. The CEO's who were only interested in ROI instead of making sure their boats wouldn't claim lives when sinking are the ones that should spend the rest of their lives in jail and have their assets confiscated and redistributed among the families of the deceased.
@@MrDertien okay. But remember the ocean is so wide for both of them to safely pass. The problem is the captain was partying with the crew that's why they didn't notice the vessel.
This one hurts because my cousin died while on crew on another Sulpicio Lines boat that sank and killed 800+ people.
Awww I’m sorry… I’m not trying to bring any memories up but do you know what it was called? I would like to research it these topics greatly interest me ❤
Sorry for your loss 😢🌹🕊️
are you talking about the princess of the star??
Sorry for your loss. That can be hard to deal with.😔
A passenger ship in 1987 HAS NO RADIO to communicate with other ships? Un-f-believable!
I know. I'm an ex Merchant Seaman. The idea of a vessel that size with no VHF at the very least is astounding.
I was stationed on USS Reeves (CG-24) when this happened. A friend of mine’s, also on the Reeves, wife was on that ferry. She died in the accident. Our home port was Yokosuka Japan and while we were deployed to the Persian Gulf, many of the Wife’s would visit family in the Philippines. So sad.
Such a terrible event.
I served on uss carl Vinson cvn-70, we ported in yokosuka while on our west pac cruise. I didn't like yokosuka that much, how was your experience there?
My condolences to your friend. That kind of corruption is obscene.
I'm curious do you happen to be a Black guy?
May Your Gods bless You and Yours and all those before...
Everyone knows about the Titanic, but very few people know about the Doña Paz tragedy, which was like 3 Titanics Sinking in terms of ppl killed.
Yeah, first time I heard about it was on this channel
Their not the right skin color. And their not wealthy
World population:
1912 - 1.8 billion.
1987 - 5.0 billion.
So relative to the number people on Earth, the tragedies were similar.
White supremacy. Same reason people act like 9/11 was a genocide
@@jamesfahey4508What a weird way to look at things. As if the number of people on earth ever mattered for a tragedy.
Ok, I've lived 12yrs in Philippines, I'm RAN (Retd) & yes, this WILL happen again. This was very big ofc.
Safety on our island ferries imo varies from 'barely adequate' to 'we're all going to die". Always gather lifejackets.
Sulpicio Lines trundled unsafely on after this, until bankruptcy through failing to pay kotong [corruption].
My final Sulpicio voyage was ~2010. We luckily failed to sink. _[PS: some pronunciations are dodgy!] ;-)_
TYVM for sharing!!! Glad you lived to tell us!!
To often when i was at sea I wondered how many of the cargo ships plodding along had a crew member in the bridge. To often they would take for ever to respond to the radio.
This is such a tragedy, how the hell have I not heard of it till now
Every region or culture generally lives in its own little vacuum. If you weren't from or had ties to people in the Philippines all you may have heard was a quick mention on the evening news or a number going by on the headline ticker once...
very sad😥
@max.racing yeah, what would I do with my life if I didn't get constant updates about Johnny Depp and Amber Heard? Good thing we had that news instead of actual major issues around the world.
This thing is still remember here well, though part of the public culture cannon now since it happened a long time ago
The passengers weren't rich white people. That's why.
Because of the socioeconomic status of the victims. Same with when the Oceangate sub sank with 5 millionaires in it, news was completely focused on that and ignored an accident that caused the loss of 700 lives on a Greek ferry hauling migrants that happened at the same time.
To be fair Oil Tankers are small stealthy, fast and very hard to notice
I was thinking the same thing. How do you not see a slow-moving vessel the size of a small country bearing down on you?
My sarcasm alarm is deafening me.
Drunk. The watchman should only drink to keep alert.
Nothing could be done…
It reminds me of the old proverb, "Train as you will fight for you will fight as you are trained".
I remember reading a short news brief, of this accident, back when it happened. The article was short on details. I just assumed that being a massively overloaded ferry, that most of he deaths occurred due to the passengers not being able to escape the sinking ship, much like that Korean ferry, only a few years go. Didn't realize, until this video, that burning fuel (from the tanker) surrounded the ferry (on most sides), killing most of those who managed to flee the ship !
fuel was the major factor, particularly the fact it was Gasoline, which is extra flammable and easily spreads over the water... unlike in the Korean case, non of the crew survived, and the fact of who was and was not on the bridge is mostly hearsay, with the story about the captain hosting a party for some high-honored guests, whilst not unlikely, was something that appeared much later... since no action was taken, we can assume the ship had no proper watch maintained, though, the ability to maintain it was also strongly impaired by the ships poor construction (with awing's of the top decks very much blocking the view from most of bridge)
the tanker, whether it had a watch or not, could effectively not maneuver, since the ship had lost all hydraulics to it's rudder, and relied on a direct pulley and drogue system that was extremely slow & made the ship zigzag by about 10 degrees.
The Sewol? Yeah man that was devastating. Those poor kids. The "captain" deserves nothing short of hell.
I'm afraid this is worsening my phobia of ships and cruises or being anywhere near the ocean and water but I can't stop watching this channel
I was serving my first year in the USN and 19 years old. For context, the number of people that lost their lives is close to the full complement of a US Navy suppercarrier. Crazy.
@free_balloons No smarty but in the overall context of incidents at sea and loss of life I was trying to relate the loss of life as it compares to modern super ships like CVNs and their compliment.
@@rickbase833 Plus how tiny that ferry is compared to a super carrier and yet carried nearly the same amount of people.
Stay safe out there sailor!
I've lived out here for a decade, it's still talked about . A national tragedy
I never get the gross disregard for safety. Rated for 1500, but carrying 3 times that. Nobody on watch....on either ship.
The fact that the line continued to work after this makes it even more absurd. But in 2nd world countries safety regulations and their enforcement are usually an expensive luxury.
It gets me that the crews on these ships accept this as normal.
"Who's on watch? Nobody? Oh, well. I'm sure it will be fine."
3rd world standards of operations.
Life is cheap.
" God will protect us"
Catholic church . . .
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It took her 25 years to get home and see her father?? That is crazy!
Well, she likely lost her employer, her job, and landed in a unfamiliar island were she didn't knew anyone, without any resources. No wonder it took her so long, but what a tenacity to not give up and settle somewere during 25 years
@@aterxter3437 lol I wasn't having a go at her
@@johnmckay1961 I don't think any go's was had on either side, my friend.
@@johnmckay1961What… He’s not having a go either he’s explaining…..
I'm having a go! What the hell, there werent that many survivors and the company still weasled their way out of paying her. That is horrific.
This is crazy! That ship was way overcrowded and badly maintained! I feel bad for the children who were brought/dragged along onto the boat of bad decisions!
Bad decisions all around! 🤦🏽♀️
May those people rest in peace...🙏🏽
It's like a drunk driving 18-wheel trucker collided with a bus load of people going to Atlantic City....whose driver was also drunk.
A bus that burned down, was rebuilt into a double decker and still packed people in the aisles and on the roof
And both drivers are sleeping
@@nativeafroeurasian The truck driver set a brick on the accelerator and curled up in the sleeper for a nap.
The bus driver drank too much and fell asleep with his foot on the accelerator.
@@1978garfield no need for a brick with cruise control but best analogy so far
No where close to the magnitude. It's like a hundred trucks, trailers filled with people hit a hundred busses
This is one tragedy that I am actually well aware of; it disgusts me that such corruption can occur at this scale
Then you have the Bidens...
It's Asia... this shit happens all the time over there...
You can't trust in anything else at sea, except you, your vessel and your crew. I take full command and responsibility for the safety of my vessel.
Hell yeah!
Aye aye cap i tain
A rubber ducky raft isn't much of a vessel but as long as you take command of it sail on Capt sail on ! 😂.
I'm just joking bro . 👍.
Even though I watched your original video on this, I ended up watching the whole video again. Your videos are really captivating.
PLEASE DONT BLAME THE POOR LOOK OUT..Blame the port authorities for letting the ship sail from the port with a list to port cos it was overloaded..? It’s always pinned on some poor guy on the ferry when we all no who’s responsible
Oil tankers aren't traditionally known for their stealth capabilities so how did the LOOK OUT who's job is to LOOK OUT for other ships miss it. While yes the ship should have never left port but if the LOOK OUT had done his job and LOOKED OUT for the tanker this wouldn't have happened.
I can't get enough of your videos. Ultra detailed and researched, and a somewhat hypnotising pace. A fascinating (albeit sad given the topics covered) window into a world I know nothing about. Keep'em coming skip, I'm here for them.
Lovely story thank you ❤
Very professional presentation.You always present with knowledge and compassion.
You threw me for a loop putting a video out on Thursday. Again my favorite site and story teller. 😉❤😉
I know. This was just an old video that I had to make some tweaks to do I published it as soon as it was ready. Great too see you as always.
@@waterlinestories With my broken ankle I can't join your other sight but I hope I don't lose contact with my favorite guy??!!
@beverlyreiner-baillargeon6205 I always try to keep an eye out for you. 😁
@@waterlinestories And I keep an eye out for you, my friend 😉
@beverlyreiner-baillargeon6205 👍🏻
Thanks for bringing misconduct like this to light, we can only hope that the water will become safer eventually
The Dona Paz is straight horror
From the fires of hell
In New Zealand on October 2011 a container ship crewed by Filipino officers who as result of incompetence of the Captain & Watchkeeper allowed their ship to slam into a charted reef which destroyed the ship and also caused an enormous environmental disaster.
You are doing an incredible job!
Agreed
The crazy thing is that in terms of safety, so little goes so far. They could've had one watchperson in each corner of the ship and still would've made a huge profit. In the end, it's not about the cost, but about ignorance and indifference.
Thank you for your excellent story telling, the best I have heard.😊
Thanks, I really appreciate that
Thanks again for another great video mate. Always keen for a waterline drop! Even if I start work in 5 hours!
im not far into the video yet but so far i gotta admit, atleast valories employers cared enough to get her a life jacket cause they knew how sketchy these ferries get. its not often you see employers caring in these vids
Another case of people on the ground unable to refuse upper managements BS, but trying their hardest to mitigate the danger; tale as old as time
First time I've watched a video from this channel and I'm impressed! Already subscribed! The wealth of material, images, and information are amazing. Great research work! Kudos 👏👏👏👏👏
While watching the video, I kept thinking of another, even worse, sinking. The ship was the MV WILHELM GUSTLOFF a passenger ship used to transport German refugees fleeing from the Russian army in Courland, East Prussia. The vessel was carrying over 10,000 people, and over 9,000 perished after the ship was sunk by a Russian submarine.
That was during war, this was the worst during peace time.
Thank you for getting back to me. You are so correct concerning a peacetime vs. wartime sinking. I attempted to let the video viewers know that larger losses of lives in ship sinkings have occurred. @@knockeledup
Soviet, not russian
@@KlaunFuhrer-du7fr Cause russia is so different from the soviet era lol. russian and civilian killing a love story.
@@knockeledupWhy would that distinction matter? It was still the sinking with the biggest loss of lives.
🇵🇭 Vector: Capt Not on Wheel
Dona Paz: Capt having party, not on wheel too
Really enjoy your videos, glad I found your channel.
As an Indonesian who knows well how corupt my country is, watching this video makes me sick. This is too much corruption from the Philippines, y'all need to reduce your overcorruption.
Purely criminal even though a common practice. Sounds like tanker was single-skin hull and easily punctured.
It took 25 years for that poor girl Valerie to make it back home?! I'm sorry, WHAT?!
This is by no means an extraordinary tragedy save for the number of lives lost. Corruption of this kind in this part of the world is very much the norm. RIP to all those who died in this terrible tragedy.
your research and presententation of these stories is top notch! the vivid descriptions make it all too real! thank you for your time in sharing these! 😢
Thanks 👍🏻
Thank you for making such quality content really good video.
literally hell or high water, what an inferno. damn, over the capacity, there's always a disaster happening
I've known about this for a long time but every time I read or watch something about it I get the same awful feeling. This tragedy is one of the most sickening things I've ever seen. The absolute disregard for human life for the sake of being lazy, cheap, and greedy is hideous and it's good to see more attention finally being drawn to this in the west.
This was a very interesting story thanks !
Great watch ..many thanks !
seeing the gravity of corruption in the country back 80-2010's, yea, the ship company will blame the passengers instead of the overload capacity due to feign ignorance of their irresponsibility
good to know Ppino corruption ended in the 2010s.
THIS is what they think of their own citizen's safety. Think what they feel about yours when sending fish-or even canned Spam made in the Philippines!
Shop local grown. Only way to be sure.
The blame is totaly down to the Harbour Master - for allowing the vessel to sail.
The more I learn about this, the more insane it becomes.
Great video man im a new subscription 😎❤
It took her 25 years to reunite with her father?! Wow, another tragedy upon tragedy!
Of all the people eventually blamed, the Coast gaurd escaped any at all? It took them that long to respond? Really?
A good friend was a missionary and got married in the Philippines and has a very smart and beautiful daughter, who was beyond respectful, stories they told me about safety and corruption there was unreal.
I really felt bad for her, I've lost touch with both of them, they both needed help.
Over loading ferries seems to be common place in many countries. As usual unqualified people were employed who took bribes to compensate for low pay.
Nice video waterline.
Thanks👍🏻
Horrible incident. Bless the people.
Its super sad that guy had to go 25 years w/o seeing his daughter bc no one would own up and buy her a return ticket. Man humans can be horrible critters!
I swear I have seen this before. I remember the story so well and I know how it ends although you posted the video 2 days ago…
Have you re uploaded the video?
Yeah, I had to fix a few issues with it and then put it back out. 👍🏻
How very heartbreaking, and infuriating!
Wow, never heard of this sinking. Over 4000 dead. Whoa. Shocking.
How did it go from a capacity of 650 to 1,200 passengers when it sold??!
Reminds me of the Sultana paddle wheel boat on the Mississippi River at the end of the Civil War. Way overloaded on a boat that wasn't meant to carry even half the number of people she was carrying. More people died than on the Titanic, many of them were Union soldiers trying to get back home after the war.
The insurance companies of both ships should not have to paid out the insurance due to too many factors that were
illegal.
I think we should pitch in and finally send her the $500 she is owed.
Don't they have a simple radar monitoring system, like a close proximity alarm?
The ferry didn't have one.
Let me guess, no one from either company or the Philippine Coast Guard went to jail? Most people don't understand just how easy and how fast a quiet watch can go to hell. Naval ships are over manned with watch standers and we still end up in collisions. On our honeymoon, we went on a Caribbean cruise. I mentioned that I was a serving Naval Officer and asked if I could show my wife the bridge and try and explain what I did at sea. The watch officer agreed. The first thing I did was look in the radar repeater. When I saw a contact I asked if the scope was in true or relative. He said relative. I looked out the port hatch and saw a small sail boat at about a quarter mile that the watch had completely missed. The cruise ship was doing 20 knots so that is one nautical mile every 3 minutes. Easy to get in trouble. I would have made a big deal but it appeared that the bridge watch was otherwise competent and actually doing their jobs. After that, my wife said that she was glad it was me and not her going to sea.
what a nightmare
I've seen this before 9 hours ago "upload time" is this a re-upload or uploading the same content twice
So I’ve always wondered- is your background a green screen? Or do you have the coolest study ever?
"This Lookout Killed 4336 People"
Did anyone find the spot in the video that talks about the lookout? I've listened to the section on the crew for both ships, and all I have found is that there weren't any.
I'm 100% serious. I'm not sure if I missed something or not.
I never get the gross disregard for safety. Rated for 1500, but carrying 3 times that.
Safety violations work on the 'boiling a frog' principle. A number of violations that by themselves are minor, build up over time. And every time you make a safety violation that does not cause an accident, then you have set a new - and loser - safety standard.
Are you going to do the Sewol?
9:14 "It had no radio"
Excellent video as always, cheers m8!
How did ferry hit the oil tanker on a clear day
25 years to reunite with her father?!
Certain parts looked like the ferry I took in Japan in 1972, but I remember it had a lot more deck space. Perhaps it's the same one...?
That father recalling how his daughter's skin came off and he lost her under the waves is not something I was ready for with a toddler of my own. God damnit.
🇵🇭 Im still puzzled. The sea is so big and wide. How the Heck did two tiny dots on the sea collided.
Dumb Boat Captains! Lost more than 4000+ lives in 2-3hrs.
Same way two airplanes collide. It never happens, until it does.
First read of the title - this must be a typo. Second thought: its got to be a RO-RO. Nope - wow. Cannot even imagine that level of hell, makes pearl harbor look surgical.
Wow!! Sounds like all she wanted to spend time with her family during the holidays
these large ships did not utilize radar to scan for other ships???
I think they need to teach ethics to their children in school so later in life they would think twice about taking bribes or putting peoples lives in danger.
Overcrowded still happens here
These companies must be fined very hard because they keep on hiring personnel that hasn't the requested skills to work on a petrolship, it happens in every field of the ships compartment
The tanker did everything correct and got screwed over.
Total scapegoats. The judges were bribed
Tragic but not surprising.
"Making it one of the safest means of transport in the Philippines" isn't much of a boast is it.
Why would life jackets be locked away were they afraid they would be stolen or something?
It's always a bad sign when someone has a gut feeling abut something you just no that you know.
12:09 Over 24k? It says 8.21 (thousand) on the screen.
At first I thought I read the number wrong. If I didn't know what the channel was about I'd think this was some kind of natural disaster or war.
I have taken more than a few of fairies like this on the Philippines. I always hate being on them you never feel safe and you can see the lack of safety measures , the poor Maintenance and Untrained crew.
This story is heart breaking and what makes it worse a lot of simple things could have prevented it.
If you are afraid of having access to a life jacket when on a boat or ship ....
26 people survived. Fuck, I am gutted, no one deserves this. In the Australian Navy on even the same mine hunters a watch is a watch. You keep your eyes on the direction your looking after, Stern etc. yes we have radar, but you need eyes when also doing port to port passings etc in smaller areas. Even at sea, we continue to watch.
Did the captain and crew survive? This is horrific!