My story: My character, Immotus was an Oath of Glory paladin. I had a lot of fun with him and played him all the way to lvl 20 with my group. As we were begining to disband the campaign and start a new one, I wanted to keep playing Paladin but try a different subclass out, Oath of Vengeance. So I wrote this story where Immotus, after a long retirement and at old age, gets robbed by bandits and killed. In a seething rage and in has dying moments a fragment of his soul held onto his armor through sheer will. Many years later an adventurer, my new character found the armor, and was infused with Immotus rage filled soul, and so Viego the Oath of Vengeance paladin was born, and with the experience of Immotus on his side he went about claiming vengeance on evil people. I only wished the race Reborn had been around when we played it
You could have had the armor come alive and simply flavor the warforged race for use (im doing that now with my vengeance paladin who was shoved into a scarecrow so..... Yeah)
My first campaign character was an Oath of Vengeance centaur. Wound up getting the Horseshoes of speed, so I took the mobile feat... Wound up with 80ft of innate movement speed, and the ability to cast haste. With all that movement speed I could actually make use of the centaur's bonus hoof attacks (you need to move 30ft first) Was super fun. Run across the battlefield and smash 3 or 4 enemies on your way to save an ally, and the whole time they can't take opportunity attacks because you have mobile. Wound up being this high AC super mobile skirmisher that could be literally anywhere and drop smites anywhere you wanted... all the while concentrating on something like bane. Was super duper fun to play.
I built something recently that was pretty god tier when it came to nova damage. Using the 'Necromancer' Class from Valda's Spire of Secrets (not an official source, but is published). 7 Levels of Necromancer (Death Knight), with three levels of Paladin (Vengeance). The death knight has a pool of "lay on harms" that they can essentially smite with on a weapon attack hit, so you essentially get to smite while you smite, in addition to the fact that the Necromancer class is a caster with full spell slot progression, so your Paladin Smites are very high level. The nova damage was pretty insane.
Have to say I loved the Homebrew classes and subclasses in Valda's Spire of Secrets but unfortunately my DM will not allow me to play any of them at our table for fear they are overpowered and not properly balanced. I find this a little ironic when I'm able to play a Peace or Twilight Domain Cleric (which are potentially game breakingly strong).
@@insertphrasehere15 Valda's spire of secrets also has a class called Martyr. Page 115. Very fun, like paladin but cooler if you ask me, even though paladin is probably more powerful
When I ran Descent into Avernus for my group (bit of spoilers ahead), I suggested to my sister-in-law that she played Reya Mantlemorn, which in the module is supposed to be just an NPC with the veteran statblock who helps the group. We both felt that the Oath of Vengeance paladin was a perfect fit for that character. If you know the story a little bit, you know that her whole city was dragged into hell, and her spiritual leader was to blame, because he sold not only his soul, but also the soul of everyone whoi signed the Creed Resolute, which is, well, pretty much everyone, including her. So yeah, Oath of vengeance, right?
Loved the echo knight part. I was expecting Champion but the echo knight was a welcome surprise. Echo Knight could also go well with the Living Shadow Dark Gift since it would be their shadow coming alive and being given more substance.
double crit chance is hard to pass up, makes Champion fighter one of my favorite 3-5 level dips, I have never understood why Battlemaster seems so popular for a dip, a handful of dice to use for special attacks has always seemed so much less useful overall than doubling your chance to crit I, too, was pleasantly surprised by the echo knight, I must say
@Quendi555 True, but the ASI can improve an important stat. Improving to hit stat has some benefit. I acknowledge that it's a tradeoff as so many choices are.
My favourite vengeance pally is one that started at 3, the backstory allowed for the tragic oath-swearing. A former-mercenary turned bandit captain (picturing the character Harkyn from Fallen Lords) manages a (costly) total-party-kill of low-level adventurers guarding a merchant caravan, and happens to be standing over a dying cleric of unspecified denomination as he checks for spoils. The cleric tries to speak, offering the captain his massive, rune-engraved, glowing iron chain focus. The uncomprehending bandit leader accepts the offering and puts it over his head to hang around his neck at which point, with the cleric's dying laughter, it activates a searing, holy light, triggering a BSOD/trauma faith-reset, converting all his bandit captain/fighter levels into level 3 vengeance pally. He betrays and kills his murderous fellow bandits then vows beyond that to hunt not only other bandits and monsters but also the corrupt merchants, officials, and nobles who caused the conditions that turned so many to banditry. So now we've got an untrained paladin with no religious or dogmatic knowledge who only knows he has to serve 'the light' that he sees when he grasps his iron chain focus, with a terrible rep with his bandit former comrades, the law, and the populace in general for all his crimes, but determined to hunt evil (in all its forms) anyway. All in service of 'The Light'.
So I want to preface this by saying that I absolutely love this build! It's one of your best in my opinion! HOWEVER! I think there is a fundamental flaw in the calculations for the build, specifically in how Nova builds are measured. The goal of a Nova build is NOT "How can I do the most damage in A turn" it is instead "how can I do the most damage in THE FIRST turn" or at the very least "how can I do the most damage as fast as possible." The reason I say this is that the goal of a Nova build is to do as much damage as possible and bring down a baddie as fast as possible to eliminate an enemy and turn the action economy in your favor. So if I have character A who can do 1000 damage in a single turn but takes 4 set up rounds to do it and character B who does 200/round but can do it every round from the very start of the fight then they are accomplishing the same thing. (Actually B is far far better and more versatile for a number of reasons but you get the idea) The more front loaded the better for Nova builds. For this reason I think it's necessary when comparing Nova builds to compare the damage DISTRIBUTION as well as the damage. A great weapon master fighter with a glaive who does his full Nova round on the first turn is in my opinion more valuable than a spellcaster who does 50% more damage but doesn't do it until round 3. Because the great weapon master would also be doing things on turns 2 and 3 making more attacks and raising his 3-turn damage total. But if you're comparing what one character can do in one turn vs what another can do in 2 or 3 then the numbers stop being comparable. At this point I think I'm beginning to get repetitious so I'll end it here. It's always fun to see what big numbers we can achieve given the right circumstances or set up time. But if you're going to compare damage between your builds I think it would be worthwhile to add a distribution element as well. Turns 1-2 or 3 with damage done in each turn as well as the total and see how it averages out with more weight given to earlier turns. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk and please forgive my long-windedness!
@@bluesman2050 I appreciate you reading all the way through my rambling lol. I was incredibly sleep deprived when I wrote it. I may go back and edit for brevity
I know this a rather late reply but I feel you missed something - The only thing to consider here that you didn't mention at all is your party members and the targets you are fighting - even if it takes you a few turns to set up whatever you are going to do when your important round comes up it can be really great for your party in many situations. So while the whole party better not be waiting till round 4 (or later) to achieve anything, and I do agree the earlier you can pull off whatever your combo is generally the better, it is not a problem if these signature power moves are only worth the setup against the toughest BBEG's of the campaign, or your party is taking a bit more damage before your move is ready if they can take it easily. If the power move is good enough it can be more than worth it for the party as a whole, they may even want to build to actively improve the effectiveness of your combo.
While I agree with the notion of “how often do you need to do over 300 damage to a single target in one round?” As someone who is currently in a Monster Hunter inspired game, where each session is some role play, some mystery to find out what the monster is to prep and then fighting a super powerful (and usually home brewed) monster, having that kinda damage can sometimes be a big help. (Note we just fought a home-brewed Dire Troll, the combat in total took about 1 minute and 50 seconds of in game time, and we did 1,300 damage to it since none of us had any fire or acid to stop it’s healing…)
I really love your content but this video in particular I like. I have some difficulty in applying some of your builds to my brand of roleplaying but a build that is so heavy in one class like this one works perfectly thanks!
Love the build! I love both of these subclasses so it’s fun to see them combined. One question: did you consider that the channel divinity and summoning Echo both take a bonus action, so you’d either have to wait an extra turn to get the burst round or forgo the bonus action attack during the burst round?
I suppose my assumption is that we'd just have the Echo out already. It lasts until it's destroyed, you dismiss it, or you're incapacitated, so I don't know why we wouldn't just have it out all the time when we weren't in combat. Just my little shadow buddy. :)
As soon as you post this video I had so much hope then I realized it wasn't Conquest but it's another good option keep up the good work hopefully You do one for Conquest
I second this. I built an Oath of Conquest Paladin multi classed with a Path of the Berserker barbarian fully knowing some people don't like Berserker but I wanted that bonus attack and damage reduction.
I’m starting a Paladin in a game tomorrow. The plan is a 4 year campaign that goes to high level play (20 hopefully) I’m trying to build into conquest to fully maximize on the fear mechanic. It’s going to be sword and board build. I’ve built a standard array Fallen Aasamar 15 str (want to be in plate mail eventually), 10 dex, 13 con, 8 Int, 12 wis, 17 cha. My plan is to go Paladin 5 (Fey touched feat at L4 for bless, misty step & round out charisma then essentially you have 3 attacks in big fights with spiritual weapon), dip into hexblade to attack using Charisma instead of strength and get shield spell, then go Paladin to 8 to quickly max Charisma (9th level with awesome aura), from there Whispers Bard to 5th (not so much for the fear mechanic than for the psychic blades 5x per short rest) and all the extra spell slots, utility magic and great party buffs, likely going Resilient Con with the ASI (14th level), round off Hexblade to L2 to get the 2nd pact spell and Eldritch Mind & Devils Sight. Then just finish out whispers bard to 10th, likely adding +2 Constitution. If you can prep for combat, you can get a 7th level Armor of Agathys up and drop hexblade’s curse on the big bad. Round 1 you can start up Aasamar Necrotic Shroud and spin up a spiritual weapon (+20 necrotic damage from the shroud and +6 damage from hexblade’s curse) and maneuver into any frightened creatures spaces to lock them in the aura and get the free 4 psychic damage. Round 2 you can start swinging away remembering to smite 5d8 radiant, psychic blades 5d6 psychic damage, necrotic shroud +20 necrotic damage and +6 hexblade’s curse if you can hit your cursed target, who you crit on 19 or 20 which doubles damage dice if/when crit.) You’ll only have 5th level spells, but you’ll have a 6th & 7th level slot (Aid & Armor of Agathys both are incredible when upcast). Also, Counterspell with magic secrets gets you the bard boost of 1/2 proficiency on counterspell checks against higher level spells & magical secrets Spirit Guardians can shred anyone locked into your fear aura if you have multiple targets on lockdown.
So, one of my favorite builds I have ever played was a pacifist Life domain Cleric. I had to curb my attacking tendencies to just aid and buff my allies and de-buff the enemies. For the most part I could not do any damage directly. The only exception I made was for Spirit Guardians thinking that it was the spirits my deity sent to aid doing all of the damage. It was a challenge and some of the most fun I have ever had as a player. It was surprisingly easy as a Life domain cleric to do this, but I wonder how difficult playing a pacifist would be as any other class...
Dang I’ve been waiting so long for this build. I knew it would be strong, but gosh dang I didn’t know it would be that strong. This might be the best subclass in the game. Totally want to play it!
Wow, almost a pure build. This episode got me thinking of back stories and character progression; good on you! I can see a lot of different ways to approach this character in an RP sense.
In a game I was running, a friend chose to play a Bilbo-esque older halfling that swore an oath to destroy a tarrasque when it's nearby burrowing shook his house and broke his favorite porcelain cup. He wore the broken away finger loop of the teacup on a chain around his neck to serve as a grim reminder, lest his resolve ever falter.
:D How funny! This was my first ever Character in DnD, only reached lvl 9 sadly. I played a kalashtar and rp the echo knight as a manifistation of my quori.
Best Paladin there is. Very strong. Another very strong is Battlemaster with Greatsword, though I do tend to take three levels of Bear Barb with that it is a really difficult choice. I would love to see your BM build. Also a "Hoplite" build; PA Master, Sentinel, Shield Master, is quite powerful. That is another build I would like to see you optimise.
Starting campaign this Saturday and want to go mainly paladin for our small party of 3. Starting at level 5. Was initially going to go Pally 4 and Warlock 1 for a hexadin build over 12 levels. But saw this video and rethinking (the hexadin build seems so bonus action heavy, vow of enmity, hexblade curse, bless, hex/hunters mark etc), the foe may be dead by then! After seeing this video I might start Fighter 1 for that constitution proficiency instead, and then pally 4. Yes delay extra attack, but polearm bonus attack will suffice for 1 level. Thank you for the ideas, much appreciated!
Hey Colby! Long time fan, I host a 5e PvP arena and have been doing this and had the love for the numbers for years now. Just commenting to say hey! And that I haven't forgotten that nearly 20 builds ago now, you said you'd add the underplayed racial feat to your build list. The "OP" dwarven fortitude! Haha. Love the content!
Hello, Colby! Just a heads-up, in your D&D Optimized playlist this video is between videos #66 and #67, and video #58 is between #62 and #64. I'm not sure if that's a thing that only appears on my end, or yours, but I just wanted to send a message just in case. Have an optimized day! :-)
I’ve built a Veng Paladin as a Crit Fisher. I know it’s not the most popular but the great weapon feat, coupled with Vow of Enmity. Multi-classing with Champion. I use Great Sword for powerful damage. Focusing all the pain on the big bodies or bosses. I might take Slasher, even though people don’t seem to like it. See slowing people down is powerful for a Veng Pal that’s keeping targets from moving. My smites can rock so hard on a Crit for huge spike damage.
Yeah, I had the same Problem - the "Batman-Problem". Rogue/Fighter is great for a SpecOps Soldier (add Druid for becoming a SEAL - Pun intended). But Vengance Pally works so great and rewards RP-wise so greatly, only a Twilight Cleric can add up to that. Primary Wisdom (Perception, planning and Predicting) and then Charisma (ntimidation) - all else is secondary (Dex/Stealth as well as Armor Requirements). Spells are "Gadgets" you suddenly "pull out of a Pouch" fluffwise. Whenever I start to create Rogue/Fighter I end up Cleric/Paladin or similar. The best Idea came from a Friend of me - a "no Magic"-Char from a Shaolin Temple-esque Assassin Guild (Yeah, there Batman came around the Corner agan in the form of Raz alGul as "Enemy"....). It was Inquisitive/Battle Master allow for much Feats and additional Damage in Coop-Combat (Putting them lorewise to work in Teams of Two normally).
Going to be playing a Leonin Oath of Vengeance Paladin soon starting at level 3 with a free feat. This video was entertaining and has made me reconsider a few things.
Here’s a backstory for my character: Roland had a milquetoast upbringing. By 22, he had developed a gambling addiction and was amazing at it. He eventually cheated a man out of all his money and a fight broke out. Roland was too defensive and a bit drunk, leading to him nearly choking him out. Roland was sentenced to a life in chains working in the graveyard while the other man was regarded as a hero and a victim. After 20-something years, he had to bury a town guard and got an idea. Stripping the corpse of all its equipment, he escaped one night after smashing his chains and is now seeking to finish what he started with that man. As a side note, in his time, he had heard about all the vendettas the people he's buried had. As a religious man, he wants to avenge these souls in hopes that they’ll help him back. And yes, if anyone noticed, it’s based on a Fish in a Birdcage song, Four Aces or something similar.
Currently rolling a Vengeance Paladin with a 3 level dip into Hexblade so I can use Charisma for all my weapon attacks. I took Strength up to 15 to wear plate and dumped the rest into Charisma and Constitution. I took great weapon master and defense fighting style (swapped from great weapon fighting) and am using a greatsword. DM gave us all homebrewed legendaries at about level 15. Mine lets me choose to crit once per long rest and reroll 1 and 2s on attack rolls. Devastating when you pair it with great weapon master to get the additional attack on crit and a level 4 smite. We went up against a black dragon recently. I spent my first 2 turns casting haste on myself, hexing the dragon and using vow of enmity. On the third round, I went buck and downed him. Adult black dragon from max HP to dead. The table was speechless. Vengeance Paladins are fucking awesome.
I'm playing an Oath of Vengeance Paladin in an upcoming campaign, and while I'm not exactly optimized for dealing all the damage, more sword and board and packing 16 charisma which I'm willing to raise because I definitely want to make use of spells. And if it really comes down to smiting being better outside of bless and such, I still have 16 Charisma and that's nice.
For the record, while I have enjoyed many of your videos over the last moth or so since i discovered you, THIS is the one that go me to join you. Partly because I am playing a VP currently, but mostly because this is the first time I realized I could get written copies of the builds. Out-freakin-standing! Keep up the good work. (But bring back the heavier intro occasionally, please. It would have been very fitting here.)
I had a level two paladin who came home to find that his brother had left to follow in my footsteps and find adventure. The party tracked the brother down to an abandoned lich's lair and found him just in time to see him get possessed by the lich's phylactery. My character swore an Oath of Vengeance to destroy the lich and save his brother, and that lich became the BBEG of the campaign.
Hey, fantastic guide. Borrowing some of this for my character build and i just got to level 2. where thinking about the fighting style and we are playing with a few extra hand books, so i have a few more choices then the standard once. Blessed warrior - Blind Fighting - interception - Protection. Was thinking about your answer that none of the original choices where super good, so my question is: are any of those new once any better? Was maybe thinking of 2 cleric can-trips as a blessed warrior, but not sure which 2 to choose. Blind Fighting may also come in handy since i don't have dark vision, but would always be able to see things to trigger my Polearm Master - Opportunity Attack Keep up the Fantastic content WG Gray
I have been refining a character for a while now and am just about ready to play them: He was a perfect paradigm paladin, an aasimar devoted to his guide and loyal his Oath of Devotion... until he discovered how his diva was leading him down a path of destruction. At that moment, he swore an Oath of Vengence against all the corrupt, from celestial to fiend, and in doing so fell from grace.
I have an alternate OAV Paladin build, not built for the Nova. Rabbitfolk, +2 Cha +1 Str Criminal Background, with Intimidation and 12 OAV Paladin, Protection Fighting Style at 2nd. 5 Hexblade Warlock, with Devil's Sight, Improved Pact Weapon, and Relentless Hex 3 Fighter Rune Knight, with the Defense Fighting Style, and mainly using the Fire and Frost Runes Feats are Menacing, Savage Attacker, Sentinel, and Shadow Touched. The main tactic in battle is using Intimidation and locking down opponents, and being the tank.
So there's a flaw with multiclassing out of Pally, you dont get that sweet 20th level flight feature, it could also be said that even if you dont multiclass it comes too late game. I fixed this issue by choosing Aasimar who get a flight with less duration at 3rd level and instead of taking Polearm Master I just used the glaive for the range. I also rolled 5d6 for my abilities instead of point buy and was able to eventually get 3 18s in all three of my important skills which lowered the time it took to get to 20 allowing me to focus more on my feats. Everything else is still the same just taking PAM at a later level. The +2 CHA and +1 CON thanks to Tashas allowed me to only need 3 ability points.
Went a little ways into the comments, but didn't see it. This build specifically has a silly interaction with Relentless Avenger + Manifest Echo + PA Master in that you end up being able to move half your movement speed by making an opportunity attack against a target with your Echo against targets up to 30+ feet away from you.
Great Weapon Fighting When you roll a 1 or 2 on a damage die for an attack you make with a melee weapon that you are wielding with two hands, you can reroll the die and must use the new roll. The w eapon must have the two-handed or versatile property for you to gain this benefit. you reroll 1 and 2s on damage die for an attack you make with a melee weapon wielded with 2 hands. you are not just rerolling the weapon damage die, but all the die for the attack. So if you attack with a glaive dealing 1d10, sure your average d10 will become 6.3 instead of 5.5, so about +.8 damage. it is weak. BUT if you use your divine smite on it, you may reroll 1 and 2 from the smite portion (since it is part of your melee attack with a weapon wielded in 2 hands (average D8 with great weapon fighting is 5.25) If you cast hunter mark, that extra d6 is part of the attack damage so that 3.6 bcome a 4.16667. So at the hand of the swing, what shoul dhave been 5.5+6*4.5+3.5=36 (1d10+6d8+1d6) will become 6.3+6*5.25+4.16667= 41.966667. That is an additional 6 damages PER SWING and if you crit it will give you 12 extra damage (since this fighting stile increase the average of your dice which are doubled on crit). Sure here I'm assuming you are using your 5th level slot to cast your divine smite (or you are using your th level slot+improved divinte smite from level 11th, or even lower spell slot agains fiend or undead etc... So sure at low level when you cannot smite often or you cannot control your crit (as a vengeance paladin you have access to hold person... and hold monster) and when you do not divine smite, the small 0.8 damage is insignificant, but when you start adding more dice to your damage roll (Hex, collossus hunter, dread ambush, divine smite, improved divine smite, gift of the chromatic dragon, blade maneuvers, blade fourish, that whisper bard ability etc...) rerolling any 1 and 2 from any of those dice add up quicly and outshine many other fighting style
Hello! How would you go for the armor in order to get the highest AC possible for the Double Bladed Scimitar version? Studded Leather? Great video btw!
Not the Oath of Vengeance but still a solid ground for picking your oath - the beggining of adventure Out of the Abyss. Demons everywhere are slaughtering npcs and drows who captured you! Cleric died on the 1st session holding a demon and drow priestess. Player picked the Oath of the Watchers to save the realm against this evil. I believe it is a good opportunity to pick Oath of Vengeance if we are talking about vanilla source books
Ooh my oath of vengeance story was a 'revenant' phoenix sorcerer vengeance paladin... fire was his theme. Ancient Egyptian theme, he was cursed to return again and again with few memories, and his last for vengeance was that of the fiend who cursed him
Apologies this will be a long post. We have been playing a campaign for over a year now I have a Leonine LG fighter battlesmaster based around the Spartan / Hoplite style of using spear and shield with the Interception fighting style, but his back story as a member of a LG mercenary company that are very much build around shield wall / phalanx fighting, they have a reputation but not renowned yet. My character is the prodigal son and will one day inherit the honour of leading the company. I have played him pure LG at least to the best of my interpretation I even wrote him an almost paladin like code but with no powers to come from it. Now being Leonine in the FGR setting is very fun with the fact he eschews the pantheon and hates gods (see Leonine Lore) Through clever manipulation with the backstory the GM had written a schism to happen between the leadership of the company, my character being the centered one to evwntuky take charge, unbeknownst to him my Leonine fell for it because the manipulations played up in his honour and pride as a warrior, the current leader of the company was old and didn't have the passion for combat and war like the company was built for. It was clever of the GM to play on those emotions, anyways getting to the grit of it, we had a session very much like the "Red Wedding in GoT" very much a grandeous betrayal from the company's 2nd in command and an element within the company that wanted change. My character throughout this whole session wasn't present as I'd been sent away on a side quest (convenient at the time) but i got to watch the ensuing betrayal ooc. Upon my characters return the company had been devastated and the brotherhood bound within broken, one thing I forgot to mention the leader of the company was my characters Foster Father (An old Loxodon barbarian / knight). Upon having possibly the most heartfelt session of RP and witnessing the old man dying in my characters arms ... My leonine cursed the Heavens and swore an oath of Vengeance upon his former brothers that had committed this. And again in very GoT style I now have a list of enemies much like Arya's list ... all of which need to die and my character will not stop till this is over. I will state we are currently lv 9 on cusp of lv 10 so from this point I will be dropping fighter and going paladin all the way, our campaigns are long and we will get to 20 eventually it will be a somewhat diluted version but the story was too compelling not to. And as much as my character doesn't believe in the gods the GM is happy to throw other entities in as a source of power for the trade of names Upon his list ...
good build. not much to comment here except it would've been nice for you to push the burst envelope further after paladin 11 as vengeance polearm master smiter is a bit cookie cutter already. you could've leaned towards pumping attacks more with gloomstalker for that burst opener or as you mentioned in your alternatives get more spell slots/extra dmg by going whispers bard or by leaning into another smite by going genie lock and getting eldritch smite + booming blade so you can do the polearm master/warcaster/booming blade combo. i also think your dmg is technically higher as you aren't factoring the dmg of find steed/greater steed into that dmg calculation. those are like summons with their own set of actions. I am glad you did a vengeance paladin as it's my fave paladin subclass. i am doubtful though on the haste and unleash incarnation interaction though. seems like based on my searches online haste limits you to 1 attack and doesnt work with a similar ability (dread ambusher).
The way I read the rules, RAW Unleash Incarnation doesn't work with the additionnal action provided by haste. Both Extra Attack and Unleash Incarnation have very similar wording when it comes to their trigger, so it stands to reason that what keeps one from resolving would also keep the other. Moreover, Unleash Incarnation can be applied to any Attack Action taken, while the limit imposed by Haste only applies to the extra action given by Haste. And since specific beats general, Haste would overrule UI.
If you take requests, I would love to see a teleporting combatant. Preferably starting at early levels. What I narrowed it down to is: echo knight, shadow monk, bladesong wizard. Horizon walker would be perfect but teleport comes online at lvl 10 and many campaigns end around there
Hey Colby, great video as always. I’ve never thought that the unleash incarnation would work with haste but I can’t see a reason it wouldn’t so bravo. I noticed your copy of the Witcher that looks like baptism of fire. I’m not sure if you’ve played the games but I’ve always wondered what your take on a Witcher would look like in 5e, hope we could see a build soon that maybe explores the signs more than other builds I’ve seen.
I am a big fan of the games, books, and show :) - Season 2 soon! I'm not generally into recreating characters from other fictions in D&D, but I've got it on the list regardless :).
@@DnDDeepDive just before Christmas - do a build, do a build. I was thinking it’s gotta have Hexblade in it (the original TV show was called the Hexer) and although not thematically on point I was thinking Bladesinger along with it since you need a decent AC but can use only studded leather if you are keeping in with Geralt’s style.
would be nice if in the future you named 3 magic itens to make attunument by the end of the campaing or something alike. even doing builds that are depending for magic itens. i dont see videos like that offten
I played a narcissistic vengeance/hex blade warlock of the raven queen. Max charisma. Raven queen lore of betrayal, how she plays games in games, leaves allot of room for a neutral or struggling to do good paladon.
I just created a character with this build in mind. He’s kinda like Batman but he grew up poor. His parents were religious but he wasn’t and then one day he found his parents dead and called upon the god Noctem to grant him strength and he revenge killed the thugs that murdered his parents. Since then he became a vigilante going to the streets and protecting the weak as well as training to become a paladin. I’m trying to tie in something about the ghosts of his past coming to haunt him for the echo fighter portion now.
Vengeance 👍 Shadow Elf light armor Dex build. Blind fighting style, revenant / double scimitar feat, Elven accuracy feat. Fight in darkness and crit fish with 3d20 each attack. 2 attacks a round plus bonus action extra 1d4 attack. Use darkness to avoid AoO.
Nice episode as always. I thought about making a character that uses their surroundings to attack or overcome problems. Depends on the dm tho. Like control water into someones mouth/lungs. My guess is it would be too op?
I'm currently play a Dhampir Vengeance Paladin who was kidnaped by a hag and was experimented on turning her into a dhampir. Do to the experiments she can't really remember about the outside world but only remember a burning hate for someone out there. When she managed to escape and meet the party she swore to Helm that she strike down any evil that would harm her friends and to find the one that allows this burning hate to linger in her chest.
1 level dip into hexblade would make this build a lot less MAD, allowing you to dump STR and pump up CHA and CON - Thus improving your Save DC on Hold Person, and how many times you can use your Echo Knight's attack.
Indeed it would! It would also bring all of the "You use Hexblade all the time!" commenters out from their hiding places and I *just* calmed them all down a couple of weeks ago. I need to let them sleep longer :P
I like the build. Sadly, it has no answer to archers across a (big) chasm, nor to flying opponents. Personally, I think I'd either dip aberrant mind or clockwork sorcerer at level 2 to fix this and gain a bunch of utility... OR...dip hexblade from levels 2-4 or 5 and get agonizing blast, improved pact weapon (now we can make a +1 polearm), armor of agathas and hex... this would then allow for pumping Cha without needing a Str > 15, and that would mean that at level 1 custom lineage could have been used, thus allowing for a later fey touched Cha with gift of alacrity for an 18 cha and better initiative rolls... thoughts?
My Vengeance Paladin for this weekend (because I chose custom lineage, I needed to convince my dm why my race is what it is, and how I obtained my starting feat (polearm master): I am Avalaor, a mutt of sorts. My father was a sailor at sea and of Half-Orc blood. While on his travels, he would help transport goods and people traveling to far away lands. He met my mother on one said expedition, where they fell in love. However, when I was born, her family denied my existence, and she was forced to find my father and have him raise me at sea alongside him. After years of travel at sea, our ship was attacked. My father told me to hide in one of the barrels. While under siege, I heard one of the pirates yell if they had found the boy and gotten rid of him. I am not sure if they were specifically trying to find me, but after the other pirate said no, they decided to burn the ship down. With the ship ablaze, and throughout the chaos, I was able to jump ship, floating in my barrel until I drifted onto an island. The island was a private base used to train mercenaries. I was forced to grow up in the dirt and harsh pits, learning the ways of the shield and spear, until I was old enough to forge my own destiny. I am not sure if there were other survivors from the attack at sea. All I have is the memories of my father, a rose amulet my mother left me with, and a vow to take revenge on the pirates that killed my crewmates and sunk our ship. Vengeance will be mine!
Oh, a few episodes ago. I still get people asking for the old music but more people seem to like the new tune better... including me :P - the old one will probably resurface now and then!
What about taking 15 CON at lv 1 (and sacrificing everything else to an 8)? This allows you to take Resilient: Con instead of the +2 ASI which gives you a +10/11 to CON saves depending on when you take it which would go a long way to ensuring you never hit that downside of Haste.
Depending on your level, enemy AC, etc, it might be. But GWM-infused bonus action attack hits a smidge harder than 2d8-worth of booming blade… if it hits.
I played an Oath of Vengeance Paladin recently, and his story was that he's a tiefling, frowned upon by society in general because of his Infernal heritage, so he's forced from town to town, looking for somewhere to belong. He hears of a tiefling community living near the edge of a large forest, so he goes to live there. Fast forward a few years, he's married and his wife is expecting their first child. One day while he's out hunting, he hears sounds of battle coming from his village, so he rushes back. His finds his community under attack by mounted, armoured humans. Ultimately the community of tieflings is killed, including his pregnant wife, and he is grievously wounded. He is found and healed, and he learns of a secretive cult called the Angel's of Humanity, that target and kill tieflings. So he sets out for vengeance against them, and the DM has used the backstory to add some interesting plot hooks to the campaign, and has given my paladin a target to focus his vengeance against. With lots of interesting roleplay moments trying to uncover information about the cult. Very enjoyable.
I want to see a team-up build with a support artificer using haste (without fear of dropping concentration because of Mind Sharpener) and the Spell-Storing Item on a Homunculus Servant casting Faerie Fire as a bonus action to give a martial class advantage on all attacks and haste. Using the Alchemist you could even add in concentration-less bless through the Boldness elixir.
I'm curious what the highest flat damage dealt in one round or attack is. I'm thinking oathbreaker if your dm allows, plus a hex blade with thirsting plade. Takes till level 15 but with charger, great weapon mastery, max cha if you can get it. Play scorge assimar (og better for this but the access there varies table to table. Counting all that with improved pact weapon and aura of flies... Cha(3)+5+10+lv=damage bonus. +46 under perfect circumstances. Or it would be 2 attacks at +41 and +21 if we didn't use charger. Then at the start of The enemies turn here they would take a extra 20 damage. 83 damage minimum with 2 hits, 20 being confirmed even with 2 missed attacks, and a extra potential for up to two attacks additionally on a crit or kill or a enemy getting hit by a aoo as they run from our aura. It's aggressively stupid, and will slow down damage stacking a lot by lv 5 but still fun and weird.
I am Currently at a Tyranny of dragons campaign and I made a dragonborn paladin, no clue what I was doing, but made him an exiled acolyte. So my dm and I started talking about the fact that the cult of the dragon could have infiltrated his church. He requested an escort for his family, who were bakers, which had to travel to do a delivery, he was denied and his parents were murdered by bandits on the way back. When he went to confront the higher ups he saw the cult's symbol and was promptly excommunicated, so he swore vengeance against the cult of the dragon for his parent's death . A bit cliche, but hey, it works for taking a great paladin subclass
Hey Colby love your videos! Wanna put out a request for the future… a “Machamp” build. Machamp is a four-armed boxing Pokemon. I think it’s a super cool concept with a few possible avenues, but it would take number crunching to actually be viable (if viable at all?). Anyway looking forward to the next vid!
What is the book on the 3rd shelf on the right, or your left with the red bottom and someone holding some kind of weapon? A little ways over from the Sanderson book?
Could you quickly clarify, with the help of the echo, you can attack the same enemy 4 times with extra attack (2), butt attack (1) and unleash incarnation (1), then with Action Surge, can you also attack 4 times with extra attack (2), butt attack (1) and unleash incarnation (1)? In total, making 8 attacks with one turn. Also are you able to make the butt attack from the echos location as well?
With these DPR calculations, do you start with the lowest level smites and go higher and higher, but then when you crit you use the highest level possible or do the calculations not go that deep? I am trying to recreate the DPR in a calculator for the DPR you give for level 13, but I am coming like 20 DPR short at 17 AC enemies (the 10 AC is off as well, but less so). Perhaps you can tell where I am making a mistake, but probably this video is way too long ago for you to remember, so I'd get it if you wouldn't be able. Anyways I am accounting for 1d10 + 14 + 2d8 times four, since you have 4 attacks made with 1st level smites. 1d10 + 14 + 3d8 times three. since you have 3 attacks made with 2nd level smites. 1d10 + 14 + 4d8 times one. since you have 1 attack left made with a 3rd level smite after which you're out of spell slots. Finally 1d4 + 14 (if you wanted to, one maneuver for +1d6) for the bonus action butt attack. With a to hit of 13 against 17 AC (prof 5 - GWM 5 + 4 STR = +4) and attacks made with advantage the chance to hit is 84% and the chance to crit 9.75% According to the calculator I am using this comes down to 267.68 DPR as opposed to the 287 DPR you quote. Do you know what I am doing wrong here?
Trying to find a good multiclass woth ansestral guardian. We already have a cleric and a rogue but we dont have a paladin. Thinking vengence is what im looking for!
Love this build. I am in a campaign where my Vengeance Pally is about to hit level 9. I have PAM already but not GWM feat yet. Should I take my 9th level in Paladin or start going into fighter?
It was a gloomy day. The adventurers had made their way norht to find the missing band of soldiers that Zarilea's father had lead. Following the footprints of the scuffle that had previously happened, they made their way to a clearing in some trees. There they find dead soldiers and Zarilea's Father, Sgt. Rei'kar on his deathbed. "FATHER!" she screams as she throws herself to his side. She tries to heal him but the spell seems to be for not. He points to the nearby bushes where she sees a reflection of sorts. She runs over and finds the broken half of her father's blade dug into the ground. She quickly grabs it and returns to his side. He coughs as blood platters from his mouth. He hands her the other end of the blade. In on final cough, life leaves his body. She screams out in agonizing pain. She will not leave him here to rot in a field. She picks him up, fully armored, and carries him 2 hours south to their home so that his body may be put to rest. After setting his body at the keep in which he commanded, she collapses with exhaustion... (fast forward 2 days later) The adventurers carved their way through the moat house. They over here a conversation ".... Even now I have made a plan for this... HERO... of Hommlett." As the adventurers return, Zarilea goes home in hopes of seeing her mother. Only to have blood drops fall on her from the ceiling. Running upstairs, there, she finds the body of her mother, sliced open and an evil sigil written in her blood on the side of the shelf. Shes craddles her mothers head, screaming at the top of her lungs in pain. It was there... she spoke her oath of vengeance. And it was there, her life would never be the same
My story:
My character, Immotus was an Oath of Glory paladin. I had a lot of fun with him and played him all the way to lvl 20 with my group. As we were begining to disband the campaign and start a new one, I wanted to keep playing Paladin but try a different subclass out, Oath of Vengeance. So I wrote this story where Immotus, after a long retirement and at old age, gets robbed by bandits and killed. In a seething rage and in has dying moments a fragment of his soul held onto his armor through sheer will. Many years later an adventurer, my new character found the armor, and was infused with Immotus rage filled soul, and so Viego the Oath of Vengeance paladin was born, and with the experience of Immotus on his side he went about claiming vengeance on evil people.
I only wished the race Reborn had been around when we played it
love it!
That is a great backstory, well thought out!
You could have had the armor come alive and simply flavor the warforged race for use (im doing that now with my vengeance paladin who was shoved into a scarecrow so..... Yeah)
you could call him a ruined king, heh ?
My first campaign character was an Oath of Vengeance centaur. Wound up getting the Horseshoes of speed, so I took the mobile feat... Wound up with 80ft of innate movement speed, and the ability to cast haste. With all that movement speed I could actually make use of the centaur's bonus hoof attacks (you need to move 30ft first)
Was super fun. Run across the battlefield and smash 3 or 4 enemies on your way to save an ally, and the whole time they can't take opportunity attacks because you have mobile. Wound up being this high AC super mobile skirmisher that could be literally anywhere and drop smites anywhere you wanted... all the while concentrating on something like bane. Was super duper fun to play.
Vroom vroom!
@@DnDDeepDive Hold up! RUclips's translate feature is translating "vroom vroom" as "devout devout" and I think that is just fantastically appropriate.
@@CalebS1330 😂😂
I’m getting “Pious Pious!”
+1 for a Conquest Paladin build! This build was awesome Colby, perfect for my next Pally. Thanks for the great info.
I built something recently that was pretty god tier when it came to nova damage. Using the 'Necromancer' Class from Valda's Spire of Secrets (not an official source, but is published). 7 Levels of Necromancer (Death Knight), with three levels of Paladin (Vengeance).
The death knight has a pool of "lay on harms" that they can essentially smite with on a weapon attack hit, so you essentially get to smite while you smite, in addition to the fact that the Necromancer class is a caster with full spell slot progression, so your Paladin Smites are very high level. The nova damage was pretty insane.
Have to say I loved the Homebrew classes and subclasses in Valda's Spire of Secrets but unfortunately my DM will not allow me to play any of them at our table for fear they are overpowered and not properly balanced. I find this a little ironic when I'm able to play a Peace or Twilight Domain Cleric (which are potentially game breakingly strong).
@mickthelick5788
Im playing a Martyr from that book in one of my games, and it's such a fun class. I honestly wish it was in the core game
@@commonsenseless9894 Martyr is from Galdur's... But that book is also fantastic!
Really excited about DC20 honestly.
Not sad to leave 5e behind.
@@insertphrasehere15 Valda's spire of secrets also has a class called Martyr. Page 115. Very fun, like paladin but cooler if you ask me, even though paladin is probably more powerful
When I ran Descent into Avernus for my group (bit of spoilers ahead), I suggested to my sister-in-law that she played Reya Mantlemorn, which in the module is supposed to be just an NPC with the veteran statblock who helps the group. We both felt that the Oath of Vengeance paladin was a perfect fit for that character. If you know the story a little bit, you know that her whole city was dragged into hell, and her spiritual leader was to blame, because he sold not only his soul, but also the soul of everyone whoi signed the Creed Resolute, which is, well, pretty much everyone, including her. So yeah, Oath of vengeance, right?
I skipped most of the comment because I haven't played Avernus but I think we're going to one day! :P
@@DnDDeepDive It's cool, that's why I put the spoiler warning! Really fun module, my players loved it, and I loved running it.
Level 1:(see above) [paladin 1 & race]
Levels 2:(see above) [paladin 2 & fighting-style]
Levels 3:(@14:48) [paladin 3 & sub-class]
Levels 4:(@19:09) [paladin 4 & ASI]
Levels 5:(@20:15) [paladin 5]
Levels 6:(@22:17) [paladin 6]
Levels 7:(see above) [fighter 1 & fighting-style]
Levels 8:(@29:17) [fighter 2]
Levels 9:(@29:51) [fighter 3 & sub-class]
Levels 10:(@37:30) [fighter 4 & ASI]
Levels 11:(@38:02) [paladin 7]
Levels 12:(@38:54) [paladin 8 & ASI]
Levels 13:(@39:28) [paladin 9]
Levels 14:(@46:48) [paladin 10]
Levels 15:(@47:11) [paladin 11]
Levels 16:(@48:07) [paladin 12 & ASI]
Levels 17:(@48:43) [paladin 13]
Loved the echo knight part. I was expecting Champion but the echo knight was a welcome surprise. Echo Knight could also go well with the Living Shadow Dark Gift since it would be their shadow coming alive and being given more substance.
double crit chance is hard to pass up, makes Champion fighter one of my favorite 3-5 level dips, I have never understood why Battlemaster seems so popular for a dip, a handful of dice to use for special attacks has always seemed so much less useful overall than doubling your chance to crit
I, too, was pleasantly surprised by the echo knight, I must say
@@ghostfather1390 battlemaster is stupid versatile that's why, but yeah I do feel like people underestimate Champion.
Going two more levels of Fighter gives another ASI
@@saintpaulsnail Aye, but it does delay spell slot progression.
@Quendi555 True, but the ASI can improve an important stat. Improving to hit stat has some benefit. I acknowledge that it's a tradeoff as so many choices are.
My favourite vengeance pally is one that started at 3, the backstory allowed for the tragic oath-swearing. A former-mercenary turned bandit captain (picturing the character Harkyn from Fallen Lords) manages a (costly) total-party-kill of low-level adventurers guarding a merchant caravan, and happens to be standing over a dying cleric of unspecified denomination as he checks for spoils. The cleric tries to speak, offering the captain his massive, rune-engraved, glowing iron chain focus. The uncomprehending bandit leader accepts the offering and puts it over his head to hang around his neck at which point, with the cleric's dying laughter, it activates a searing, holy light, triggering a BSOD/trauma faith-reset, converting all his bandit captain/fighter levels into level 3 vengeance pally. He betrays and kills his murderous fellow bandits then vows beyond that to hunt not only other bandits and monsters but also the corrupt merchants, officials, and nobles who caused the conditions that turned so many to banditry. So now we've got an untrained paladin with no religious or dogmatic knowledge who only knows he has to serve 'the light' that he sees when he grasps his iron chain focus, with a terrible rep with his bandit former comrades, the law, and the populace in general for all his crimes, but determined to hunt evil (in all its forms) anyway. All in service of 'The Light'.
I didn't know Homelander played DnD
So I want to preface this by saying that I absolutely love this build! It's one of your best in my opinion!
HOWEVER! I think there is a fundamental flaw in the calculations for the build, specifically in how Nova builds are measured. The goal of a Nova build is NOT "How can I do the most damage in A turn" it is instead "how can I do the most damage in THE FIRST turn" or at the very least "how can I do the most damage as fast as possible."
The reason I say this is that the goal of a Nova build is to do as much damage as possible and bring down a baddie as fast as possible to eliminate an enemy and turn the action economy in your favor. So if I have character A who can do 1000 damage in a single turn but takes 4 set up rounds to do it and character B who does 200/round but can do it every round from the very start of the fight then they are accomplishing the same thing. (Actually B is far far better and more versatile for a number of reasons but you get the idea)
The more front loaded the better for Nova builds. For this reason I think it's necessary when comparing Nova builds to compare the damage DISTRIBUTION as well as the damage. A great weapon master fighter with a glaive who does his full Nova round on the first turn is in my opinion more valuable than a spellcaster who does 50% more damage but doesn't do it until round 3. Because the great weapon master would also be doing things on turns 2 and 3 making more attacks and raising his 3-turn damage total. But if you're comparing what one character can do in one turn vs what another can do in 2 or 3 then the numbers stop being comparable. At this point I think I'm beginning to get repetitious so I'll end it here. It's always fun to see what big numbers we can achieve given the right circumstances or set up time. But if you're going to compare damage between your builds I think it would be worthwhile to add a distribution element as well. Turns 1-2 or 3 with damage done in each turn as well as the total and see how it averages out with more weight given to earlier turns. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk and please forgive my long-windedness!
Strongly agree. Willing to sacrifice substantial damage for the ability to do my damage on round 1.
@@bluesman2050 I appreciate you reading all the way through my rambling lol. I was incredibly sleep deprived when I wrote it. I may go back and edit for brevity
I know this a rather late reply but I feel you missed something - The only thing to consider here that you didn't mention at all is your party members and the targets you are fighting - even if it takes you a few turns to set up whatever you are going to do when your important round comes up it can be really great for your party in many situations. So while the whole party better not be waiting till round 4 (or later) to achieve anything, and I do agree the earlier you can pull off whatever your combo is generally the better, it is not a problem if these signature power moves are only worth the setup against the toughest BBEG's of the campaign, or your party is taking a bit more damage before your move is ready if they can take it easily. If the power move is good enough it can be more than worth it for the party as a whole, they may even want to build to actively improve the effectiveness of your combo.
While I agree with the notion of “how often do you need to do over 300 damage to a single target in one round?” As someone who is currently in a Monster Hunter inspired game, where each session is some role play, some mystery to find out what the monster is to prep and then fighting a super powerful (and usually home brewed) monster, having that kinda damage can sometimes be a big help. (Note we just fought a home-brewed Dire Troll, the combat in total took about 1 minute and 50 seconds of in game time, and we did 1,300 damage to it since none of us had any fire or acid to stop it’s healing…)
I really love your content but this video in particular I like. I have some difficulty in applying some of your builds to my brand of roleplaying but a build that is so heavy in one class like this one works perfectly thanks!
Love the build! I love both of these subclasses so it’s fun to see them combined. One question: did you consider that the channel divinity and summoning Echo both take a bonus action, so you’d either have to wait an extra turn to get the burst round or forgo the bonus action attack during the burst round?
I suppose my assumption is that we'd just have the Echo out already. It lasts until it's destroyed, you dismiss it, or you're incapacitated, so I don't know why we wouldn't just have it out all the time when we weren't in combat. Just my little shadow buddy. :)
As soon as you post this video I had so much hope then I realized it wasn't Conquest but it's another good option keep up the good work hopefully You do one for Conquest
Won't lie I saw oath of and immediately thought conquest
I second this. I built an Oath of Conquest Paladin multi classed with a Path of the Berserker barbarian fully knowing some people don't like Berserker but I wanted that bonus attack and damage reduction.
I’m starting a Paladin in a game tomorrow. The plan is a 4 year campaign that goes to high level play (20 hopefully) I’m trying to build into conquest to fully maximize on the fear mechanic. It’s going to be sword and board build. I’ve built a standard array Fallen Aasamar 15 str (want to be in plate mail eventually), 10 dex, 13 con, 8 Int, 12 wis, 17 cha. My plan is to go Paladin 5 (Fey touched feat at L4 for bless, misty step & round out charisma then essentially you have 3 attacks in big fights with spiritual weapon), dip into hexblade to attack using Charisma instead of strength and get shield spell, then go Paladin to 8 to quickly max Charisma (9th level with awesome aura), from there Whispers Bard to 5th (not so much for the fear mechanic than for the psychic blades 5x per short rest) and all the extra spell slots, utility magic and great party buffs, likely going Resilient Con with the ASI (14th level), round off Hexblade to L2 to get the 2nd pact spell and Eldritch Mind & Devils Sight. Then just finish out whispers bard to 10th, likely adding +2 Constitution. If you can prep for combat, you can get a 7th level Armor of Agathys up and drop hexblade’s curse on the big bad. Round 1 you can start up Aasamar Necrotic Shroud and spin up a spiritual weapon (+20 necrotic damage from the shroud and +6 damage from hexblade’s curse) and maneuver into any frightened creatures spaces to lock them in the aura and get the free 4 psychic damage. Round 2 you can start swinging away remembering to smite 5d8 radiant, psychic blades 5d6 psychic damage, necrotic shroud +20 necrotic damage and +6 hexblade’s curse if you can hit your cursed target, who you crit on 19 or 20 which doubles damage dice if/when crit.) You’ll only have 5th level spells, but you’ll have a 6th & 7th level slot (Aid & Armor of Agathys both are incredible when upcast). Also, Counterspell with magic secrets gets you the bard boost of 1/2 proficiency on counterspell checks against higher level spells & magical secrets Spirit Guardians can shred anyone locked into your fear aura if you have multiple targets on lockdown.
Playing this build right now and I'm loving it!
Evil doesn’t deserve discretion, they get the deluxe justice package.
So, one of my favorite builds I have ever played was a pacifist Life domain Cleric. I had to curb my attacking tendencies to just aid and buff my allies and de-buff the enemies. For the most part I could not do any damage directly. The only exception I made was for Spirit Guardians thinking that it was the spirits my deity sent to aid doing all of the damage. It was a challenge and some of the most fun I have ever had as a player. It was surprisingly easy as a Life domain cleric to do this, but I wonder how difficult playing a pacifist would be as any other class...
Dang I’ve been waiting so long for this build. I knew it would be strong, but gosh dang I didn’t know it would be that strong. This might be the best subclass in the game. Totally want to play it!
I think, echo knight could take an idea from Tasha's, specifically, features that use proficiency bonus instead of ability modifiers.
I really appreciate how you also weigh viability in terms of progression during thr game.
Wow, almost a pure build. This episode got me thinking of back stories and character progression; good on you! I can see a lot of different ways to approach this character in an RP sense.
In a game I was running, a friend chose to play a Bilbo-esque older halfling that swore an oath to destroy a tarrasque when it's nearby burrowing shook his house and broke his favorite porcelain cup. He wore the broken away finger loop of the teacup on a chain around his neck to serve as a grim reminder, lest his resolve ever falter.
ha!
After being disappointed with Tulok's build for Vergil, I realized this is what I've been looking for all along.
Thanks, Colby!
:D How funny! This was my first ever Character in DnD, only reached lvl 9 sadly. I played a kalashtar and rp the echo knight as a manifistation of my quori.
Best Paladin there is. Very strong.
Another very strong is Battlemaster with Greatsword, though I do tend to take three levels of Bear Barb with that it is a really difficult choice.
I would love to see your BM build. Also a "Hoplite" build; PA Master, Sentinel, Shield Master, is quite powerful. That is another build I would like to see you optimise.
Brilliant video as ever. Those numbers are insane! :O Thanks a bunch for sharing Colby :)
Gracias!
Starting campaign this Saturday and want to go mainly paladin for our small party of 3. Starting at level 5. Was initially going to go Pally 4 and Warlock 1 for a hexadin build over 12 levels. But saw this video and rethinking (the hexadin build seems so bonus action heavy, vow of enmity, hexblade curse, bless, hex/hunters mark etc), the foe may be dead by then!
After seeing this video I might start Fighter 1 for that constitution proficiency instead, and then pally 4. Yes delay extra attack, but polearm bonus attack will suffice for 1 level. Thank you for the ideas, much appreciated!
Hey Colby! Long time fan, I host a 5e PvP arena and have been doing this and had the love for the numbers for years now. Just commenting to say hey! And that I haven't forgotten that nearly 20 builds ago now, you said you'd add the underplayed racial feat to your build list. The "OP" dwarven fortitude! Haha. Love the content!
Thanks! Still on the list! :)
Hello, Colby! Just a heads-up, in your D&D Optimized playlist this video is between videos #66 and #67, and video #58 is between #62 and #64. I'm not sure if that's a thing that only appears on my end, or yours, but I just wanted to send a message just in case. Have an optimized day! :-)
I’ve built a Veng Paladin as a Crit Fisher. I know it’s not the most popular but the great weapon feat, coupled with Vow of Enmity. Multi-classing with Champion. I use Great Sword for powerful damage. Focusing all the pain on the big bodies or bosses. I might take Slasher, even though people don’t seem to like it. See slowing people down is powerful for a Veng Pal that’s keeping targets from moving. My smites can rock so hard on a Crit for huge spike damage.
Yeah, I had the same Problem - the "Batman-Problem".
Rogue/Fighter is great for a SpecOps Soldier (add Druid for becoming a SEAL - Pun intended).
But Vengance Pally works so great and rewards RP-wise so greatly, only a Twilight Cleric can add up to that. Primary Wisdom (Perception, planning and Predicting) and then Charisma (ntimidation) - all else is secondary (Dex/Stealth as well as Armor Requirements).
Spells are "Gadgets" you suddenly "pull out of a Pouch" fluffwise.
Whenever I start to create Rogue/Fighter I end up Cleric/Paladin or similar.
The best Idea came from a Friend of me - a "no Magic"-Char from a Shaolin Temple-esque Assassin Guild (Yeah, there Batman came around the Corner agan in the form of Raz alGul as "Enemy"....).
It was Inquisitive/Battle Master allow for much Feats and additional Damage in Coop-Combat (Putting them lorewise to work in Teams of Two normally).
Going to be playing a Leonin Oath of Vengeance Paladin soon starting at level 3 with a free feat. This video was entertaining and has made me reconsider a few things.
I basically played this character in a campaign, the Echo was his shadow and it was an absolute blast to play!
This is my new favorite build!!
Here’s a backstory for my character: Roland had a milquetoast upbringing. By 22, he had developed a gambling addiction and was amazing at it. He eventually cheated a man out of all his money and a fight broke out. Roland was too defensive and a bit drunk, leading to him nearly choking him out. Roland was sentenced to a life in chains working in the graveyard while the other man was regarded as a hero and a victim. After 20-something years, he had to bury a town guard and got an idea. Stripping the corpse of all its equipment, he escaped one night after smashing his chains and is now seeking to finish what he started with that man. As a side note, in his time, he had heard about all the vendettas the people he's buried had. As a religious man, he wants to avenge these souls in hopes that they’ll help him back.
And yes, if anyone noticed, it’s based on a Fish in a Birdcage song, Four Aces or something similar.
I’ve made a new Kenku character named Blix. They’re a rogue(soul knife) paladin (oath of vengeance) mulitclass!
Basically a bird version of Batman
At the beginning i thought you were gonna sing an intro to the backgroundmusic as it aligned perfectly rhythm- and soundwise :'D
Currently rolling a Vengeance Paladin with a 3 level dip into Hexblade so I can use Charisma for all my weapon attacks. I took Strength up to 15 to wear plate and dumped the rest into Charisma and Constitution. I took great weapon master and defense fighting style (swapped from great weapon fighting) and am using a greatsword. DM gave us all homebrewed legendaries at about level 15. Mine lets me choose to crit once per long rest and reroll 1 and 2s on attack rolls. Devastating when you pair it with great weapon master to get the additional attack on crit and a level 4 smite. We went up against a black dragon recently. I spent my first 2 turns casting haste on myself, hexing the dragon and using vow of enmity. On the third round, I went buck and downed him. Adult black dragon from max HP to dead. The table was speechless. Vengeance Paladins are fucking awesome.
I've been waiting for a good vengeance oath build, yay. (I misspelled a word, hence the edit).
I'm playing an Oath of Vengeance Paladin in an upcoming campaign, and while I'm not exactly optimized for dealing all the damage, more sword and board and packing 16 charisma which I'm willing to raise because I definitely want to make use of spells.
And if it really comes down to smiting being better outside of bless and such, I still have 16 Charisma and that's nice.
Crazy... There's a reason that Paladin is my favorite class!
I wanted vengeance on the corrupted church that killed my noble family to rule their kingdom
Ok so I have only just started the video and your voice and mannerisms are SO calming and welcoming. Have you considered doing ASMR?
For the record, while I have enjoyed many of your videos over the last moth or so since i discovered you, THIS is the one that go me to join you. Partly because I am playing a VP currently, but mostly because this is the first time I realized I could get written copies of the builds. Out-freakin-standing! Keep up the good work. (But bring back the heavier intro occasionally, please. It would have been very fitting here.)
Ha ha ok! And thanks :)
I had a level two paladin who came home to find that his brother had left to follow in my footsteps and find adventure. The party tracked the brother down to an abandoned lich's lair and found him just in time to see him get possessed by the lich's phylactery. My character swore an Oath of Vengeance to destroy the lich and save his brother, and that lich became the BBEG of the campaign.
Love it.
Hey, fantastic guide.
Borrowing some of this for my character build and i just got to level 2.
where thinking about the fighting style and we are playing with a few extra hand books, so i have a few more choices then the standard once.
Blessed warrior - Blind Fighting - interception - Protection.
Was thinking about your answer that none of the original choices where super good, so my question is:
are any of those new once any better?
Was maybe thinking of 2 cleric can-trips as a blessed warrior, but not sure which 2 to choose.
Blind Fighting may also come in handy since i don't have dark vision, but would always be able to see things to trigger my Polearm Master - Opportunity Attack
Keep up the Fantastic content
WG Gray
I have been refining a character for a while now and am just about ready to play them:
He was a perfect paradigm paladin, an aasimar devoted to his guide and loyal his Oath of Devotion... until he discovered how his diva was leading him down a path of destruction. At that moment, he swore an Oath of Vengence against all the corrupt, from celestial to fiend, and in doing so fell from grace.
I have an alternate OAV Paladin build, not built for the Nova.
Rabbitfolk, +2 Cha +1 Str
Criminal Background, with Intimidation and
12 OAV Paladin, Protection Fighting Style at 2nd.
5 Hexblade Warlock, with Devil's Sight, Improved Pact Weapon, and Relentless Hex
3 Fighter Rune Knight, with the Defense Fighting Style, and mainly using the Fire and Frost Runes
Feats are Menacing, Savage Attacker, Sentinel, and Shadow Touched.
The main tactic in battle is using Intimidation and locking down opponents, and being the tank.
This is great HOWEVER I want the Rogue/Fighter build.
My Professor Hickle (Gnome Sage background Rouge 3/Fighter 4 "Field Researcher") would love it !
So there's a flaw with multiclassing out of Pally, you dont get that sweet 20th level flight feature, it could also be said that even if you dont multiclass it comes too late game. I fixed this issue by choosing Aasimar who get a flight with less duration at 3rd level and instead of taking Polearm Master I just used the glaive for the range. I also rolled 5d6 for my abilities instead of point buy and was able to eventually get 3 18s in all three of my important skills which lowered the time it took to get to 20 allowing me to focus more on my feats. Everything else is still the same just taking PAM at a later level. The +2 CHA and +1 CON thanks to Tashas allowed me to only need 3 ability points.
Went a little ways into the comments, but didn't see it. This build specifically has a silly interaction with Relentless Avenger + Manifest Echo + PA Master in that you end up being able to move half your movement speed by making an opportunity attack against a target with your Echo against targets up to 30+ feet away from you.
By the end of this build...that Kobold never knew what hit him. Rest in peace little dude 🙏
ha!
Great Weapon Fighting
When you roll a 1 or 2 on a damage die for an attack you
make with a melee weapon that you are wielding with
two hands, you can reroll the die and must use the new
roll. The w eapon must have the two-handed or versatile
property for you to gain this benefit.
you reroll 1 and 2s on damage die for an attack you make with a melee weapon wielded with 2 hands. you are not just rerolling the weapon damage die, but all the die for the attack.
So if you attack with a glaive dealing 1d10, sure your average d10 will become 6.3 instead of 5.5, so about +.8 damage. it is weak.
BUT if you use your divine smite on it, you may reroll 1 and 2 from the smite portion (since it is part of your melee attack with a weapon wielded in 2 hands (average D8 with great weapon fighting is 5.25) If you cast hunter mark, that extra d6 is part of the attack damage so that 3.6 bcome a 4.16667.
So at the hand of the swing, what shoul dhave been 5.5+6*4.5+3.5=36 (1d10+6d8+1d6) will become 6.3+6*5.25+4.16667= 41.966667. That is an additional 6 damages PER SWING and if you crit it will give you 12 extra damage (since this fighting stile increase the average of your dice which are doubled on crit). Sure here I'm assuming you are using your 5th level slot to cast your divine smite (or you are using your th level slot+improved divinte smite from level 11th, or even lower spell slot agains fiend or undead etc... So sure at low level when you cannot smite often or you cannot control your crit (as a vengeance paladin you have access to hold person... and hold monster) and when you do not divine smite, the small 0.8 damage is insignificant, but when you start adding more dice to your damage roll (Hex, collossus hunter, dread ambush, divine smite, improved divine smite, gift of the chromatic dragon, blade maneuvers, blade fourish, that whisper bard ability etc...) rerolling any 1 and 2 from any of those dice add up quicly and outshine many other fighting style
YES my favorite class and subclass!!
Hello! How would you go for the armor in order to get the highest AC possible for the Double Bladed Scimitar version? Studded Leather?
Great video btw!
Not the Oath of Vengeance but still a solid ground for picking your oath - the beggining of adventure Out of the Abyss. Demons everywhere are slaughtering npcs and drows who captured you! Cleric died on the 1st session holding a demon and drow priestess. Player picked the Oath of the Watchers to save the realm against this evil. I believe it is a good opportunity to pick Oath of Vengeance if we are talking about vanilla source books
Ooh my oath of vengeance story was a 'revenant' phoenix sorcerer vengeance paladin... fire was his theme. Ancient Egyptian theme, he was cursed to return again and again with few memories, and his last for vengeance was that of the fiend who cursed him
Apologies this will be a long post.
We have been playing a campaign for over a year now I have a Leonine LG fighter battlesmaster based around the Spartan / Hoplite style of using spear and shield with the Interception fighting style, but his back story as a member of a LG mercenary company that are very much build around shield wall / phalanx fighting, they have a reputation but not renowned yet. My character is the prodigal son and will one day inherit the honour of leading the company. I have played him pure LG at least to the best of my interpretation I even wrote him an almost paladin like code but with no powers to come from it.
Now being Leonine in the FGR setting is very fun with the fact he eschews the pantheon and hates gods (see Leonine Lore)
Through clever manipulation with the backstory the GM had written a schism to happen between the leadership of the company, my character being the centered one to evwntuky take charge, unbeknownst to him my Leonine fell for it because the manipulations played up in his honour and pride as a warrior, the current leader of the company was old and didn't have the passion for combat and war like the company was built for. It was clever of the GM to play on those emotions, anyways getting to the grit of it, we had a session very much like the "Red Wedding in GoT" very much a grandeous betrayal from the company's 2nd in command and an element within the company that wanted change. My character throughout this whole session wasn't present as I'd been sent away on a side quest (convenient at the time) but i got to watch the ensuing betrayal ooc.
Upon my characters return the company had been devastated and the brotherhood bound within broken, one thing I forgot to mention the leader of the company was my characters Foster Father (An old Loxodon barbarian / knight). Upon having possibly the most heartfelt session of RP and witnessing the old man dying in my characters arms ... My leonine cursed the Heavens and swore an oath of Vengeance upon his former brothers that had committed this.
And again in very GoT style I now have a list of enemies much like Arya's list ... all of which need to die and my character will not stop till this is over.
I will state we are currently lv 9 on cusp of lv 10 so from this point I will be dropping fighter and going paladin all the way, our campaigns are long and we will get to 20 eventually it will be a somewhat diluted version but the story was too compelling not to. And as much as my character doesn't believe in the gods the GM is happy to throw other entities in as a source of power for the trade of names Upon his list ...
im creating a vengence pala with 1 lvl hexwarlock to attack with cha and so its possible to take elven accuracy :D
much love
good build. not much to comment here except it would've been nice for you to push the burst envelope further after paladin 11 as vengeance polearm master smiter is a bit cookie cutter already. you could've leaned towards pumping attacks more with gloomstalker for that burst opener or as you mentioned in your alternatives get more spell slots/extra dmg by going whispers bard or by leaning into another smite by going genie lock and getting eldritch smite + booming blade so you can do the polearm master/warcaster/booming blade combo.
i also think your dmg is technically higher as you aren't factoring the dmg of find steed/greater steed into that dmg calculation. those are like summons with their own set of actions.
I am glad you did a vengeance paladin as it's my fave paladin subclass. i am doubtful though on the haste and unleash incarnation interaction though. seems like based on my searches online haste limits you to 1 attack and doesnt work with a similar ability (dread ambusher).
The way I read the rules, RAW Unleash Incarnation doesn't work with the additionnal action provided by haste. Both Extra Attack and Unleash Incarnation have very similar wording when it comes to their trigger, so it stands to reason that what keeps one from resolving would also keep the other.
Moreover, Unleash Incarnation can be applied to any Attack Action taken, while the limit imposed by Haste only applies to the extra action given by Haste. And since specific beats general, Haste would overrule UI.
If you take requests, I would love to see a teleporting combatant. Preferably starting at early levels. What I narrowed it down to is: echo knight, shadow monk, bladesong wizard. Horizon walker would be perfect but teleport comes online at lvl 10 and many campaigns end around there
ok on the list!
I was really hoping that Bob would have a fake mustache.
Hey Colby, great video as always. I’ve never thought that the unleash incarnation would work with haste but I can’t see a reason it wouldn’t so bravo. I noticed your copy of the Witcher that looks like baptism of fire. I’m not sure if you’ve played the games but I’ve always wondered what your take on a Witcher would look like in 5e, hope we could see a build soon that maybe explores the signs more than other builds I’ve seen.
I am a big fan of the games, books, and show :) - Season 2 soon! I'm not generally into recreating characters from other fictions in D&D, but I've got it on the list regardless :).
@@DnDDeepDive just before Christmas - do a build, do a build. I was thinking it’s gotta have Hexblade in it (the original TV show was called the Hexer) and although not thematically on point I was thinking Bladesinger along with it since you need a decent AC but can use only studded leather if you are keeping in with Geralt’s style.
I'm glad Colby stoped using echo knight on his builds.
would be nice if in the future you named 3 magic itens to make attunument by the end of the campaing or something alike. even doing builds that are depending for magic itens. i dont see videos like that offten
I played a narcissistic vengeance/hex blade warlock of the raven queen. Max charisma. Raven queen lore of betrayal, how she plays games in games, leaves allot of room for a neutral or struggling to do good paladon.
I just created a character with this build in mind. He’s kinda like Batman but he grew up poor. His parents were religious but he wasn’t and then one day he found his parents dead and called upon the god Noctem to grant him strength and he revenge killed the thugs that murdered his parents. Since then he became a vigilante going to the streets and protecting the weak as well as training to become a paladin. I’m trying to tie in something about the ghosts of his past coming to haunt him for the echo fighter portion now.
Nice!
Vengeance 👍 Shadow Elf light armor Dex build. Blind fighting style, revenant / double scimitar feat, Elven accuracy feat. Fight in darkness and crit fish with 3d20 each attack. 2 attacks a round plus bonus action extra 1d4 attack. Use darkness to avoid AoO.
My wife played a vengeance paladin in Tyranny of Dragons, writing it in that she was the only survivor of a dragon attack.
Nice episode as always. I thought about making a character that uses their surroundings to attack or overcome problems. Depends on the dm tho. Like control water into someones mouth/lungs. My guess is it would be too op?
I'm currently play a Dhampir Vengeance Paladin who was kidnaped by a hag and was experimented on turning her into a dhampir. Do to the experiments she can't really remember about the outside world but only remember a burning hate for someone out there. When she managed to escape and meet the party she swore to Helm that she strike down any evil that would harm her friends and to find the one that allows this burning hate to linger in her chest.
Oh man this was a fun one. I've been wanting to play a pali for a while! To be fair.... I've been wanting to play a lot of things for a while.
lol same!
1 level dip into hexblade would make this build a lot less MAD, allowing you to dump STR and pump up CHA and CON - Thus improving your Save DC on Hold Person, and how many times you can use your Echo Knight's attack.
Indeed it would! It would also bring all of the "You use Hexblade all the time!" commenters out from their hiding places and I *just* calmed them all down a couple of weeks ago. I need to let them sleep longer :P
@@DnDDeepDive Those who sleep on that glorious 1lv Hexblade dip are weak, their kind must be culled so that the flock may grow stronger.
@@faisalhussain2270 lol!
I like the build. Sadly, it has no answer to archers across a (big) chasm, nor to flying opponents. Personally, I think I'd either dip aberrant mind or clockwork sorcerer at level 2 to fix this and gain a bunch of utility... OR...dip hexblade from levels 2-4 or 5 and get agonizing blast, improved pact weapon (now we can make a +1 polearm), armor of agathas and hex... this would then allow for pumping Cha without needing a Str > 15, and that would mean that at level 1 custom lineage could have been used, thus allowing for a later fey touched Cha with gift of alacrity for an 18 cha and better initiative rolls... thoughts?
My Vengeance Paladin for this weekend (because I chose custom lineage, I needed to convince my dm why my race is what it is, and how I obtained my starting feat (polearm master):
I am Avalaor, a mutt of sorts. My father was a sailor at sea and of Half-Orc blood. While on his travels, he would help transport goods and people traveling to far away lands. He met my mother on one said expedition, where they fell in love.
However, when I was born, her family denied my existence, and she was forced to find my father and have him raise me at sea alongside him.
After years of travel at sea, our ship was attacked. My father told me to hide in one of the barrels. While under siege, I heard one of the pirates yell if they had found the boy and gotten rid of him. I am not sure if they were specifically trying to find me, but after the other pirate said no, they decided to burn the ship down. With the ship ablaze, and throughout the chaos, I was able to jump ship, floating in my barrel until I drifted onto an island.
The island was a private base used to train mercenaries. I was forced to grow up in the dirt and harsh pits, learning the ways of the shield and spear, until I was old enough to forge my own destiny.
I am not sure if there were other survivors from the attack at sea. All I have is the memories of my father, a rose amulet my mother left me with, and a vow to take revenge on the pirates that killed my crewmates and sunk our ship. Vengeance will be mine!
Wait, when did the intro music change?.. I dig it!
Oh, a few episodes ago. I still get people asking for the old music but more people seem to like the new tune better... including me :P - the old one will probably resurface now and then!
What about taking 15 CON at lv 1 (and sacrificing everything else to an 8)? This allows you to take Resilient: Con instead of the +2 ASI which gives you a +10/11 to CON saves depending on when you take it which would go a long way to ensuring you never hit that downside of Haste.
Would a quickened booming blade be a better bonus action use if you have sorcery points?
Depending on your level, enemy AC, etc, it might be. But GWM-infused bonus action attack hits a smidge harder than 2d8-worth of booming blade… if it hits.
I played an Oath of Vengeance Paladin recently, and his story was that he's a tiefling, frowned upon by society in general because of his Infernal heritage, so he's forced from town to town, looking for somewhere to belong. He hears of a tiefling community living near the edge of a large forest, so he goes to live there. Fast forward a few years, he's married and his wife is expecting their first child. One day while he's out hunting, he hears sounds of battle coming from his village, so he rushes back. His finds his community under attack by mounted, armoured humans. Ultimately the community of tieflings is killed, including his pregnant wife, and he is grievously wounded. He is found and healed, and he learns of a secretive cult called the Angel's of Humanity, that target and kill tieflings. So he sets out for vengeance against them, and the DM has used the backstory to add some interesting plot hooks to the campaign, and has given my paladin a target to focus his vengeance against. With lots of interesting roleplay moments trying to uncover information about the cult. Very enjoyable.
I want to see a team-up build with a support artificer using haste (without fear of dropping concentration because of Mind Sharpener) and the Spell-Storing Item on a Homunculus Servant casting Faerie Fire as a bonus action to give a martial class advantage on all attacks and haste. Using the Alchemist you could even add in concentration-less bless through the Boldness elixir.
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I'm curious what the highest flat damage dealt in one round or attack is. I'm thinking oathbreaker if your dm allows, plus a hex blade with thirsting plade. Takes till level 15 but with charger, great weapon mastery, max cha if you can get it. Play scorge assimar (og better for this but the access there varies table to table.
Counting all that with improved pact weapon and aura of flies...
Cha(3)+5+10+lv=damage bonus. +46 under perfect circumstances. Or it would be 2 attacks at +41 and +21 if we didn't use charger. Then at the start of The enemies turn here they would take a extra 20 damage.
83 damage minimum with 2 hits, 20 being confirmed even with 2 missed attacks, and a extra potential for up to two attacks additionally on a crit or kill or a enemy getting hit by a aoo as they run from our aura.
It's aggressively stupid, and will slow down damage stacking a lot by lv 5 but still fun and weird.
I am Currently at a Tyranny of dragons campaign and I made a dragonborn paladin, no clue what I was doing, but made him an exiled acolyte. So my dm and I started talking about the fact that the cult of the dragon could have infiltrated his church. He requested an escort for his family, who were bakers, which had to travel to do a delivery, he was denied and his parents were murdered by bandits on the way back. When he went to confront the higher ups he saw the cult's symbol and was promptly excommunicated, so he swore vengeance against the cult of the dragon for his parent's death .
A bit cliche, but hey, it works for taking a great paladin subclass
Hey Colby love your videos! Wanna put out a request for the future… a “Machamp” build. Machamp is a four-armed boxing Pokemon. I think it’s a super cool concept with a few possible avenues, but it would take number crunching to actually be viable (if viable at all?). Anyway looking forward to the next vid!
Ok will put it on the list!
@@DnDDeepDive awesome!! I hope it works out!!
What is the book on the 3rd shelf on the right, or your left with the red bottom and someone holding some kind of weapon? A little ways over from the Sanderson book?
The Witcher! I think that might be book 3?
@@DnDDeepDive Ah, haha, I thought I recognized it. Thank you!
Man, for shits and giggles, you should have ran all the nova numbers for fighting an undead with that extra 1d8 per smite.
All you need is 6 to 7 lvl in paladin, is the sweet spot, then go divine sorcerer
Another banger Mr. Lander
Could you quickly clarify, with the help of the echo, you can attack the same enemy 4 times with extra attack (2), butt attack (1) and unleash incarnation (1), then with Action Surge, can you also attack 4 times with extra attack (2), butt attack (1) and unleash incarnation (1)? In total, making 8 attacks with one turn.
Also are you able to make the butt attack from the echos location as well?
With these DPR calculations, do you start with the lowest level smites and go higher and higher, but then when you crit you use the highest level possible or do the calculations not go that deep? I am trying to recreate the DPR in a calculator for the DPR you give for level 13, but I am coming like 20 DPR short at 17 AC enemies (the 10 AC is off as well, but less so).
Perhaps you can tell where I am making a mistake, but probably this video is way too long ago for you to remember, so I'd get it if you wouldn't be able.
Anyways I am accounting for
1d10 + 14 + 2d8 times four, since you have 4 attacks made with 1st level smites.
1d10 + 14 + 3d8 times three. since you have 3 attacks made with 2nd level smites.
1d10 + 14 + 4d8 times one. since you have 1 attack left made with a 3rd level smite after which you're out of spell slots.
Finally 1d4 + 14 (if you wanted to, one maneuver for +1d6) for the bonus action butt attack.
With a to hit of 13 against 17 AC (prof 5 - GWM 5 + 4 STR = +4) and attacks made with advantage the chance to hit is 84% and the chance to crit 9.75%
According to the calculator I am using this comes down to 267.68 DPR as opposed to the 287 DPR you quote. Do you know what I am doing wrong here?
Trying to find a good multiclass woth ansestral guardian. We already have a cleric and a rogue but we dont have a paladin. Thinking vengence is what im looking for!
I hadn't considered using all of the echo knight's echo attacks on the same round.
Love this build. I am in a campaign where my Vengeance Pally is about to hit level 9. I have PAM already but not GWM feat yet. Should I take my 9th level in Paladin or start going into fighter?
Love the work you have been doing and now there is a lot of content. Have you done anything with the Soul knife that I may have overlooked?
Only the Skill Monkey, I believe, though it's on the list!
It was a gloomy day. The adventurers had made their way norht to find the missing band of soldiers that Zarilea's father had lead. Following the footprints of the scuffle that had previously happened, they made their way to a clearing in some trees. There they find dead soldiers and Zarilea's Father, Sgt. Rei'kar on his deathbed. "FATHER!" she screams as she throws herself to his side. She tries to heal him but the spell seems to be for not. He points to the nearby bushes where she sees a reflection of sorts. She runs over and finds the broken half of her father's blade dug into the ground. She quickly grabs it and returns to his side. He coughs as blood platters from his mouth. He hands her the other end of the blade. In on final cough, life leaves his body. She screams out in agonizing pain. She will not leave him here to rot in a field. She picks him up, fully armored, and carries him 2 hours south to their home so that his body may be put to rest. After setting his body at the keep in which he commanded, she collapses with exhaustion... (fast forward 2 days later) The adventurers carved their way through the moat house. They over here a conversation ".... Even now I have made a plan for this... HERO... of Hommlett." As the adventurers return, Zarilea goes home in hopes of seeing her mother. Only to have blood drops fall on her from the ceiling. Running upstairs, there, she finds the body of her mother, sliced open and an evil sigil written in her blood on the side of the shelf. Shes craddles her mothers head, screaming at the top of her lungs in pain. It was there... she spoke her oath of vengeance. And it was there, her life would never be the same
haste doesn't give you the Attack action, it gives you one weapon attack. You do not get the bonus attack for that.
I know this video is about a year old but i just gotta say, your audio quality is insane! What mic are you using?
Thanks! It’s a Blue Yeti. I edit in iMovie
MY CABBAGES!! *swears oath to remove from the world all who would endanger merchants and their cabbages*
Bob was pretty good in the videos. I hope the host isn't jealous! :D
Dammit Bob!