All the whining about smol is nonsense...it only has 2 smokes..good players can still nail you anyway. It has no armor, no radar and yes it has good aa...which doesnt stop cv from getting you. It was not op at all..:it just added to the HE meta...which nobody really wanted. This game needs new ships that are unique from one another...not more HE spammers.
I dont know, it a bit anyoing facing it, my pc is trash so i lose a lost of fps when being hit by it, still though, i oneshot smolensk so many time i lost count
@@robo2729 Well, mine has 3 smokes and 4 hydro charges and main battery range of 19km. You absolutely don't have to be good to play Smol. With its amount of guns and that reload, if you throw enough shit at something it's bound to stick. I was going to get Georgia instead of Smol but I was tired of getting shit on by it so I got my own. I agree with you on the need for uniqueness. The last thing WoWS needs is more HE spammers and this is coming from someone with multiple spammers.
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I vaguely remember a version of the PR directives released where you literally could not grind for the PR unless you had every single tech tree T10 because a big chunk of them were things like "do 80k damage in Japanese T10 BBs"
I do remeber that the total amount of xp and free xp you had to earn was enough to get you to t10 in every single line that was in the game at the time
Ideas for part2: Nikolai, Belfast (there is a reason those two are not in store), Krasny Krym, Viribus Unitis (both are IV ship in V), Giulio Cesare (they wanted to uptier her to VI), Missouri (insane credit earner).
The only thing worse than them adding the Smolensk to the game, was when they removed it from the shop. That just means now only some people have the total BS, everyone newer can never get it, making the power imbalance even greater.
The graf zep thing is a little confusing so here is the full version: Back before the cv rework they gave her to CC's, she was a relatively good ship with weak fighters, good strike. But on release they made a last minute change and she was complete garbage. After her release IChaseGaming made a rant video complaining about wg's bullshit in a vulgar way and wg removed him temporarily from the CC program and threatened to strike his youtube channel, they didn't in the end. after much uproar from the community they put the zep back into testing and went through several versions until the final release still pre rework, this zep was a monster with powerful torpedos and dive bombers that could 1 shot tier 7 battleships(you can find replays of this on farazelleth's youtube channel) and she continued this way until the rework hit, and post rework as we all know the zep is trash right now.
Compared to the kaga, and enterprise I agree a bit trashy... but the graf is still a capable cv albeit difficult and cannot hold its own if uptiered, but still better than the indomitable
I won it and it's a weird ship. fragile but fast planes, excellent secondaries and torps so slow you have to launch them yesterday to hit something tomorrow. If only everything could be a Ryujo - now THAT'S O.P
WG absolutely needs to revisit the old tech tree tier 10 DDs. The Gearing and Z52 need buffs with this crazy power creep. WG is pushing out rediculous ships for $$$$$.
Gearing is fine, it's one of the best generalists DDs, sure it loses gunfights to the hyper dedicated gun boats, but it has both super smoke, defensive aa with decent values(for what it's worth since the aa nerf that hit everything when the cv rework hit), good concealment (relative to the gun boats), great torps with very large range, damage and stealth, and it still wins gun fights vs DDs that aren't specialized gun boats. Z52 on the other hand isn't much of a torp or gun boat and it's not really good at either, it has trash smoke and it's only gimmick is useless if there is an enemy radar, since hydro has very low comparable range.
Here is an honest question: If the Smolensk is so OP, why is it not still ubiquitous? Did the players manage to adapt, so the Smolensk had a hard enough time that it stopped being as OP as it was when no one had figured out counters? The vast majority of my matches are in co-op and scenarios, so my experiences with the Smolensk are not the same as everyone else's. I did not get the Smolensk, when it first came out, but after it had been out for several months. My Smolensk is owned by Des Moines cruisers spamming HE and Minotaur cruisers rapidly firing AP. Surprising a bot Smolensk and scoring six hits for two fires and four citadels with HE shot from my Thunderer still gives me warm fuzzy feelings. The Smolensk is a glass cannon. A lone BB caught in the open, at range, by a Smolensk with an available smokescreen still suffers horribly, but I never saw it as commanding a club in a match of 'World of Pinatas'.
@@richardbell7678 you play co-op mostly so you dont understand the pain this ship causes and the *disgusting* passive playstyle that this POS of s ship encouraged.
@@richardbell7678 The Smolensk is not as OP as it is Super Annoying. A great game is not a given, although a great game happens often enough. I believe, a big reason people don't play it is due to the peer pressure. You are a "jerk" if you play it. Your Karma goes down. And lastly, some people see it as a boring play style. Myself, I have many other ships to play, so it isn't like I play it every day. However, it is good to play for certain missions. I do try to limit myself to no more than one win in it a day. Just doesn't feel right to play it too often.
For once I'm exited for an Aircraft Carrier Line. *I simply cannot wait to witness helpless Smolensks fall victem to the German Carrier Blitzkrieg Armour Piercing Rockets. The Soviets will never expect it...!!! :D*
The Stuka was a land based dive bomber, they had sirens built into the wing tips so when it went into a dive, you'd get that scream of death siren which put the fear of the Gods into anyone on the ground, but before too long, they were obsolete but still used. I'm amazed that WG decided to turn them into naval planes at all... at the start of the war, when the likes of Poland didn't have AA, they really were effective and feared... but virtually any later raid firing AA guns could shoot them out of the sky.
The original plan in real life for the Graf Zeppelin's air wing was 12 Ju87's, 10 Bf109T's and 20 Fi167's, that was modified later to 30 Ju87's and 12 Bf109T's (yes, a carrier with no torpedo bombers). GZ's air wing, Tragergruppe 186, actually was formed up in Sept 1939 with Ju87's and Bf109's, although they never deployed of course, and never actually received their full allotment of navalized planes. Oh and the Ju87's sirens were in the wheel spats, not the wingtips.
The thing about Odin is, is it worth getting her when you could just get tier 9 Agir with free xp? Agir has more HP (62,000), runs faster (33 knots), and has cruiser dispersion on the same 305 mm main turrets, while possessing all necessary tools on Odin such as hydro and heals. I personally would prefer the latter.
I did the PR Grind, probably 12-16 hours a day & still ended up paying doubloons for 3 phases, technically I could have paid for 2, but I was pretty well burned out by that point and quit playing altogether not long after.. It was utterly twisted of them to make what was supposed to be a gift to thank its players over the holidays into an unobtainable grind. Of course the ~10k doubloons I used came from Santa containers so I didnt overly care, and PR is a really good fun ship. But damn, that Grind was BRUTAL.
Love the Odin. The armor is so trollish especially the belt on the back. If you have a half decent team that supports you somewhat you can tank against 3-4 ships within secondary range. Always fun matches even at losses. Yes, you will be burnt down a lot but with right movement/positioning and well used DC and Heal you can even mitigate that a lot. Regarding the "Scout Planes" on the GZ. The Ta 152 was a special design by Kurt Tank (hence Ta) , head of Focke Wulf design. It is indeed an odd choice since it was introduced as a high altitude fighter (39 produced) but there were concepts for fighter bombers, torpedo bombers and trainers. Ju 87's are now exclusive to the Loewenhardt. One can only guess why. XD
The Graf zepplins planes now are High altitude interceptors. (Also they were no rockets before the rework) I am pretty sure she returned before the rework.
Hats of for WG for having the courage to return with the Dockyard, because the idea is great and the art department did not embarrass themselves with it. And now it is fair and good, though Odin itself might be a bit questionable as a ship. I've had a blast watching the ship being built, though I probably wont pay the 3,500 doubloons to get it in the end.
2 things: Graf Zeppelin had no rocket planes at initial release, it was released pre-rework with 1 massive squad of fighters. I think it’s loadout was 1/0/3. And why were the Mikhaïl Kutuzov, Belfast, Flint, Stalingrad and maybe Black not honorable mentions at least?
You forgot one of the biggest controversies with the Puerto Rico was that if you didnt want to grind the directives you had to spend 300 dollars. They also gave you boosters that you could buy to speed up the cobstruction but if you didn't finish the directives by the time the event ended you werent getting your doubloons back. So you either spend money for nothing or wargaming got even more out of you
Belfast definitely needed to be on this list. It wrecked the game balance when it was released. Being able to f dd's like it did was horrible and pissed a lot of people off. Ship didnt last long at all for sale
Any T10 BB HE except for Bourgogne and Montana can HE cit the Smol, not just the Thunderer. Thunderer just combines accuracy, high alpha and enough pen to make it extra painful. But Conq and GK have 1/4 pen to get enough pen on their small guns (for T10, also Conq short fuze has its use here too), while even Repu with 431 mm gets 71 mm of pen and 457-460 obviously gets more. Also, minor detail that you forgot: OG Zeppy had hydro. Got lost with rework, but you could hydro rush DDs. Lastly, Odin controversy is recent, thus memorable, but imo, somewhat minor. We had a longer-lasting and greater outrage when the Stalingrad released. You know, the kinda outrage we had now when a whole CA line with similar gimmick came out and everyone again called it OP.
@@BIGmlems And 13.5-17.5% fire chance. Given your HE shell has crappy damage, nerfing your own fire chance into the ground is the best way to reduce your HE efficiency to nothing. Given Ägir has to shoot HE at angled targets though, you'll need an HE shell that has at least some functionality. Also, without IFHE you get 76 mm of HE pen, which is more than enough.
Smolensk is in the top 5 in every single category that maters in Wows! Right? I wonder why we see so few of them these days. It is almost like the Boogeyman myth was exposed and players figured out how to pound them just like you have to do with every other ship.
Seems folks forget about how WG burned Humble Bundle and the community with their bait and switch during an E3. They offered the Murmansk for 1$ in a bundle during closed beta. After it went open beta they removed the ship without warning of any kind. They were eventually forced to give the ship back because they got enough heat from the FTC and other such organizations. Look up Murmansk Humble Bundle and you should be able to find the posts and articles written during the time.
Had the Kitakami. Originally had no smoke. Even with smoke it totally sucked unless enemy mindlessly attacked around an island corner and even then it had to be slowly. It was very slow and with 10k torps and 10k visibility it was useless in the push. About 1 in 10 battles did you ever actually get to use it the way you thought you would. Very frustrating. Pretty soon no one with a clue played it.
this is deffo becoming a top 5 channel and first and second impressions of new ships why not concentrate on how bad the some of the older ships have been power crept and making proper historical ships almost obsolete in the game and no fun to play
Im going to say it and its just because I have and actively play odin, she does not have the best armor of t8 bb's not even remotely close she eats citadels in a similar way to yammy, for some reason that boy just gets penned at the right spot while getting that 3rd turret on target and just enough broadside is shown it can be citadeled by cruisers, I've citadeled it in balti, tirp/bis, nc, amagi, shcarn, gneis. Its kinda sad more than anything to me because i love that ship but once you find its citadel it gets nuked like no tomorrow and finding it isnt as hard as finding it on tirp/bis.
Fully agreed that PR was a horrible grinding and dollars event... Man, WG really not improving the tech support as well.. it's all becoming of a lip service in my opinion. Smolly is 200% OP hence now, if u sees it. All wanna delete it! ODIN, still WIP hence can't comment much but the HP is kinda low to be competitive. CV... I m NOT a fan after the rework... Cheers mate
Allow me to correct you. Regarding the Smolensk you said: they favourite targets are the german BB-s. Its not quite true. As a smolensk owner I can state that the French BB-s are better targets.
I got the Thunderer instead of Smolensk. I have regrets, but when I dev strike a Smolensk with either AP or even HE with mine, I can tell you that there is little in the game that is more fun.
Kitakami lol. I loathed that ship back in OBT when I first started out. The 40 torps were bad enough, but a lot of players would triple div them, essentially nuking entire swaths of the map in one fell swoop. If you saw a triple Kitakami div, you better hope you didn't spawn on their side of the map lol
I have the pay to rico. I still attract so much salt from enemy players (and friendly players) that it's now a strategy that I use to b8 enemies to chase me
There were 2 Things that were Insane. The Puerto Rico Event and the Original Idea of the Naval Training Center (NTC). The PR Event. Just before the Patch hits we learn the Scale of the Directives. I knew before that I would not get the Ship because I do not Play that Much on Christmas since that is Family Time. But I did not Know that even Unicum Players like Flamu or Flambass with Lots of Free Time were not able to do that They would have to Play this Game 24/7 for a Month during Christmas. Original NTC. You reset your Line and if you have done that 3-4 Times you could Buff One Ship. The Buffs were not to be Ignored. Better Dispersion and more Secondary Range for example. But If you want to Buff all the Ships you like Playing you would have to Play for 100 years or More. Your Life would be Reseting and Playing Ships you have already Played and again and again. If this Sounds far more Insane than Jack Torrance writing his Book in the Shining repeating one Scentence. That´s because it is far more Insane. Even the Players from the Top Competetive Clans said they would not do That Grind. It was the first Time I saw Everybody having the same Opinion. The Backlash was so Hard that the Idea was dropped in Hours.
My top 5 1. Puerto Rico (definitely agree with you) 2. Graf Zeppelin 1.0 (def agree ) 3. Gulio Cesare (Odin doesn't make the top 20) 4. Missouri (available FOREVER!) 5. Kitakami (original controversy before my time though)
I didn't think Odin was that controversial. The community was more suspicious and cautious. But i think the version we got is decently balanced and fun, WG told us everything up front, including what costs would be involved and the directives weren't Super-Unicum level difficulty. I guess the controversy is admitting even WG can learn lessons if the out-rage is large enough.
The whole controversy about the PR was the reason i installed the game for a while. Because for some reason i felt so offended because i am from Puerto Rico. I was disgusted with WG handling of the whole situation
I mean, i uninstalled for 3 months. It took a lockdown and reduced work hours to bring me back and even now im a once or twice a week player down from almost nightly before. And i havnt spent a dime on the gane since after buying a years worth of premium the year before. They lost a paying customer in me with that one. Odin wasnt much better. This time the missions were possible, but they only did it in hopes of baiting you into paying for it. Either make the ship grindable like the kamikaze back in the day or the original anime ships or make it paid. Dont try and trick people
You buy ships? Ugh! You whale! ... Anyway, engaging fast comment Mode, the Odin grind ist quite alright, you just play and not even that much. PR was definitely the largest oof. I think the Kitakami won't be that bad this time around since everyone is camping at 20km anyway :) good video!
@@MrSpako13 base turret rotation speed reduced by 5,5 seconds, base max dispersion decreased by 9m, rudder shift time improved by 3,4 seconds, base main battery range improved by 1.1 km, and AP shell maximum damage raised to 9900. Oh and last but not least, it's a troll :D
The latest version of the Smolensk is a lot weaker. I regularly kill them with Germain BB secondaries and germain DDs. The Z52 can easily crit it with its guns.
I would've mentioned Giulio Cesare. Not only she is stupidly strong, she is so far the only attempt from WG to "nerf" one of those OP ships, which is fine if you don't own them but it's terrible if you do. Also, GZ planes are not scouts. They are Focke Wulf TA 152, which were arguably the best German fighters in WW2, the only capable of giving Mustang pilots the shitters
Kitakami should be released as a tier x dd. With 20 torps but with only one double gun turret in the front with like a 5 sec reload. Then it will be mainly a torp boat and wont survive any close range dd fights.
@Turito Bassu I play WoWS for the simple reason that, being in my fifties, I can no longer enjoy games that require clicking the mouse at the correct instant. WoWS actually rewards patience and the window for correctly clicking the mouse button is seldom one that opens AND shuts in a fraction of a second.
This has nothing to do with the video but I had a very interesting game yesterday. So I was trying to hunt down a battleship by pushing in on one of the flanks (I thought he was alone and I was in a heavy cruiser). Turns out he was there with a destroyer, but instead of fighting he decided to floor it together with the destroyer. Fast forward 2 minutes and one of the enemy flanks had collapsed even though it was quite well defended and I managed to heard the enemy fleet into a small area where they were obliterated (I died with only 43k damage but my team finished them off).
Shes coming back (sort of)! Due to the Azur Lane collab that is coming we are more than likely getting an 'AL Belfast' (which they showed off on Stream along with some other ships). I don't think Bel is as OP as she once was either, she's been kind of power crept (more as in she has been caught up to, if not actually surpassed) by things like the Russian Cruisers and stuff.
I dont think they can, for the same reason tanks couldnt change them or the premium ammo system. There are laws in the eu related to bait and switch. Every time they balance something that cost actual money, even if through a surrogate like dubloons, they are legally required to offer a refund for anyone who has it. Or so ive been told by ccs in the past
@@JKSSubstandard it's because they have pretty crap T&Cs. If there was a clause along the lines of "product may change. This is a game you idiot" in the terms they could get away with balancing it. In my opinion it's the community perception that premiums are immutable that WG allowed to grow to unsustainable levels
I would argue that the smolensk doesnt belong on this list because it isnt controversial. Its universally hated
Not universally hated, just universally hated by those who don't have it or end up facing it......
All the whining about smol is nonsense...it only has 2 smokes..good players can still nail you anyway. It has no armor, no radar and yes it has good aa...which doesnt stop cv from getting you. It was not op at all..:it just added to the HE meta...which nobody really wanted. This game needs new ships that are unique from one another...not more HE spammers.
I dont know, it a bit anyoing facing it, my pc is trash so i lose a lost of fps when being hit by it, still though, i oneshot smolensk so many time i lost count
@@robo2729 19km range HE spammers with 360 towers is OP. Does not matter how many smokes it has.
@@robo2729 Well, mine has 3 smokes and 4 hydro charges and main battery range of 19km. You absolutely don't have to be good to play Smol. With its amount of guns and that reload, if you throw enough shit at something it's bound to stick. I was going to get Georgia instead of Smol but I was tired of getting shit on by it so I got my own. I agree with you on the need for uniqueness. The last thing WoWS needs is more HE spammers and this is coming from someone with multiple spammers.
I remember CBT, those days when Kitakami roamed. Truly, one learned very quickly the art of torpedobeats.
Ah yes, CBT brings back memories...
Good days those were
- And Yuro was born.
Yep if u saw a kitty all bbs would aim at it
We need to get Sealord to do patch notes.
"Plane go fast now."
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I think I got a idea for a other top 5 video, Top 5 Premium and Tech line Ships that need a buff.
you mean top 5 ship LINES that need a buff (not individual shit.... sorry..........................ships)....
That's pretty much every tier 7 premium and below
German tech tree. All of it.
Except, maybe the carriers, oddly enough.
german battleship line. dispersion is horrendously laughable. even at less then 9km..
I think they said they won't buff premium ships through direct buffs.
I vaguely remember a version of the PR directives released where you literally could not grind for the PR unless you had every single tech tree T10 because a big chunk of them were things like "do 80k damage in Japanese T10 BBs"
I want to see a diective:
Tank 10 millions damage. Ship type dd
I do remeber that the total amount of xp and free xp you had to earn was enough to get you to t10 in every single line that was in the game at the time
2017 wg said that we cant release the British cruiser line with HE because it will break the game. They need that person back in charge again...
To avoid Flint 2.0 in the words of iChase.
Ideas for part2: Nikolai, Belfast (there is a reason those two are not in store), Krasny Krym, Viribus Unitis (both are IV ship in V), Giulio Cesare (they wanted to uptier her to VI), Missouri (insane credit earner).
Kamikaze!
I expected Viribus Unitis on the list. Was funny to see the hype for that ship only to watch the people getting farmed in tier VII matches every game.
Belfast is one of the most broken ships in game... Why the F* does a t7 cruiser has access to T8 modules?!
And Kutuzov, the OG HE cancer
@@MRx36000 z-39 is in he same situation
The only thing worse than them adding the Smolensk to the game, was when they removed it from the shop. That just means now only some people have the total BS, everyone newer can never get it, making the power imbalance even greater.
This is true for Giulio Cesare too.
Usually when a ship is overperforming, WG slaps a Russian flag on it, makes the guns better, and then calls it balanced.
What's the Thunderer?
The graf zep thing is a little confusing so here is the full version: Back before the cv rework they gave her to CC's, she was a relatively good ship with weak fighters, good strike. But on release they made a last minute change and she was complete garbage. After her release IChaseGaming made a rant video complaining about wg's bullshit in a vulgar way and wg removed him temporarily from the CC program and threatened to strike his youtube channel, they didn't in the end. after much uproar from the community they put the zep back into testing and went through several versions until the final release still pre rework, this zep was a monster with powerful torpedos and dive bombers that could 1 shot tier 7 battleships(you can find replays of this on farazelleth's youtube channel) and she continued this way until the rework hit, and post rework as we all know the zep is trash right now.
Compared to the kaga, and enterprise I agree a bit trashy... but the graf is still a capable cv albeit difficult and cannot hold its own if uptiered, but still better than the indomitable
However, in 1v1 tier 8. It's a monster
I won it and it's a weird ship. fragile but fast planes, excellent secondaries and torps so slow you have to launch them yesterday to hit something tomorrow. If only everything could be a Ryujo - now THAT'S O.P
The PR grind would be perfect for pandemic lock down.
The small POI in the corner when you said you are using Yuudachi instead of Kitakami made my day :D
Poi?
WG absolutely needs to revisit the old tech tree tier 10 DDs. The Gearing and Z52 need buffs with this crazy power creep. WG is pushing out rediculous ships for $$$$$.
Gearing is fine, it's one of the best generalists DDs, sure it loses gunfights to the hyper dedicated gun boats, but it has both super smoke, defensive aa with decent values(for what it's worth since the aa nerf that hit everything when the cv rework hit), good concealment (relative to the gun boats), great torps with very large range, damage and stealth, and it still wins gun fights vs DDs that aren't specialized gun boats.
Z52 on the other hand isn't much of a torp or gun boat and it's not really good at either, it has trash smoke and it's only gimmick is useless if there is an enemy radar, since hydro has very low comparable range.
Okay before i watch the video, PR will be number 1
Ding ding ding! You win an insane grind instead of a Xmas vacation!
Smolensk should've been given the kitakami treatment and removed *entirely*
Agreed. Refund the coal and delete it.
Kitakami is returning though
Here is an honest question:
If the Smolensk is so OP, why is it not still ubiquitous?
Did the players manage to adapt, so the Smolensk had a hard enough time that it stopped being as OP as it was when no one had figured out counters?
The vast majority of my matches are in co-op and scenarios, so my experiences with the Smolensk are not the same as everyone else's. I did not get the Smolensk, when it first came out, but after it had been out for several months. My Smolensk is owned by Des Moines cruisers spamming HE and Minotaur cruisers rapidly firing AP. Surprising a bot Smolensk and scoring six hits for two fires and four citadels with HE shot from my Thunderer still gives me warm fuzzy feelings. The Smolensk is a glass cannon. A lone BB caught in the open, at range, by a Smolensk with an available smokescreen still suffers horribly, but I never saw it as commanding a club in a match of 'World of Pinatas'.
@@richardbell7678 you play co-op mostly so you dont understand the pain this ship causes and the *disgusting* passive playstyle that this POS of s ship encouraged.
@@richardbell7678 The Smolensk is not as OP as it is Super Annoying. A great game is not a given, although a great game happens often enough. I believe, a big reason people don't play it is due to the peer pressure. You are a "jerk" if you play it. Your Karma goes down. And lastly, some people see it as a boring play style. Myself, I have many other ships to play, so it isn't like I play it every day. However, it is good to play for certain missions. I do try to limit myself to no more than one win in it a day. Just doesn't feel right to play it too often.
yes I enjoy the graf Zeppelin very much. Thanks again.
For once I'm exited for an Aircraft Carrier Line.
*I simply cannot wait to witness helpless Smolensks fall victem to the German Carrier Blitzkrieg Armour Piercing Rockets. The Soviets will never expect it...!!! :D*
I have not played them yet but i guess they will just overpen dds with those rockets.
@@snens7179 you do get some full pens, but the damage is only really useful for finishing an already low dd
Guess it's only right to fight paper ships with paper ships.
@@DarkRipper117 lets just get an H44 for Target practice!
The Stuka was a land based dive bomber, they had sirens built into the wing tips so when it went into a dive, you'd get that scream of death siren which put the fear of the Gods into anyone on the ground, but before too long, they were obsolete but still used. I'm amazed that WG decided to turn them into naval planes at all... at the start of the war, when the likes of Poland didn't have AA, they really were effective and feared... but virtually any later raid firing AA guns could shoot them out of the sky.
The original plan in real life for the Graf Zeppelin's air wing was 12 Ju87's, 10 Bf109T's and 20 Fi167's, that was modified later to 30 Ju87's and 12 Bf109T's (yes, a carrier with no torpedo bombers). GZ's air wing, Tragergruppe 186, actually was formed up in Sept 1939 with Ju87's and Bf109's, although they never deployed of course, and never actually received their full allotment of navalized planes.
Oh and the Ju87's sirens were in the wheel spats, not the wingtips.
You missed 2 very big ones:
MURMANSKGATE. The ability to donate as little as 1 dollar and get a Murmansk.
ALABAMA ST DEBACLE.
The thing about Odin is, is it worth getting her when you could just get tier 9 Agir with free xp? Agir has more HP (62,000), runs faster (33 knots), and has cruiser dispersion on the same 305 mm main turrets, while possessing all necessary tools on Odin such as hydro and heals. I personally would prefer the latter.
Yeah this aged poorly.
'First three months 6 smolensks for the first several months' imagines 6 kitas for the first several months of release "internal screaming"
I did the PR Grind, probably 12-16 hours a day & still ended up paying doubloons for 3 phases, technically I could have paid for 2, but I was pretty well burned out by that point and quit playing altogether not long after..
It was utterly twisted of them to make what was supposed to be a gift to thank its players over the holidays into an unobtainable grind.
Of course the ~10k doubloons I used came from Santa containers so I didnt overly care, and PR is a really good fun ship. But damn, that Grind was BRUTAL.
Did he say the Smolensk is still in the store?
Also also, the Graf Zeppelin is the Most Expensive Aircraft carrier in the Shop by 1-2k Dubloons!!! Theyre charging a premium for it -.-
right now i rarely see smolensk in random battle :(
That’s good. You don’t want to see them
don't worry, you'll see me playing it :)
@@Macaroni139 smolensk for farm fireproof achievement
@@PrintScreen. you will see me blapping smolensks off the map in my Thunderer
Love the Odin. The armor is so trollish especially the belt on the back. If you have a half decent team that supports you somewhat you can tank against 3-4 ships within secondary range. Always fun matches even at losses. Yes, you will be burnt down a lot but with right movement/positioning and well used DC and Heal you can even mitigate that a lot.
Regarding the "Scout Planes" on the GZ. The Ta 152 was a special design by Kurt Tank (hence Ta) , head of Focke Wulf design. It is indeed an odd choice since it was introduced as a high altitude fighter (39 produced) but there were concepts for fighter bombers, torpedo bombers and trainers.
Ju 87's are now exclusive to the Loewenhardt. One can only guess why. XD
The Graf zepplins planes now are High altitude interceptors. (Also they were no rockets before the rework) I am pretty sure she returned before the rework.
Top 10 tech tree ship that needs to be buffed to fit the meta
Hats of for WG for having the courage to return with the Dockyard, because the idea is great and the art department did not embarrass themselves with it. And now it is fair and good, though Odin itself might be a bit questionable as a ship. I've had a blast watching the ship being built, though I probably wont pay the 3,500 doubloons to get it in the end.
The Venezia in the Smolensk game was useless. We needed to push into that side for a chance, and he ran away and we lost that game.
2 things: Graf Zeppelin had no rocket planes at initial release, it was released pre-rework with 1 massive squad of fighters. I think it’s loadout was 1/0/3.
And why were the Mikhaïl Kutuzov, Belfast, Flint, Stalingrad and maybe Black not honorable mentions at least?
I'm old enough to remember all the hate for Asashio with 20 km ultra deepwater torpedoes
You forgot one of the biggest controversies with the Puerto Rico was that if you didnt want to grind the directives you had to spend 300 dollars. They also gave you boosters that you could buy to speed up the cobstruction but if you didn't finish the directives by the time the event ended you werent getting your doubloons back. So you either spend money for nothing or wargaming got even more out of you
Belfast definitely needed to be on this list. It wrecked the game balance when it was released. Being able to f dd's like it did was horrible and pissed a lot of people off. Ship didnt last long at all for sale
Any T10 BB HE except for Bourgogne and Montana can HE cit the Smol, not just the Thunderer. Thunderer just combines accuracy, high alpha and enough pen to make it extra painful.
But Conq and GK have 1/4 pen to get enough pen on their small guns (for T10, also Conq short fuze has its use here too), while even Repu with 431 mm gets 71 mm of pen and 457-460 obviously gets more.
Also, minor detail that you forgot: OG Zeppy had hydro. Got lost with rework, but you could hydro rush DDs.
Lastly, Odin controversy is recent, thus memorable, but imo, somewhat minor. We had a longer-lasting and greater outrage when the Stalingrad released. You know, the kinda outrage we had now when a whole CA line with similar gimmick came out and everyone again called it OP.
If u run agir with fuse it gets like 94-97mm of HE pen
@@BIGmlems And 13.5-17.5% fire chance. Given your HE shell has crappy damage, nerfing your own fire chance into the ground is the best way to reduce your HE efficiency to nothing. Given Ägir has to shoot HE at angled targets though, you'll need an HE shell that has at least some functionality.
Also, without IFHE you get 76 mm of HE pen, which is more than enough.
I think you forgot about Kutuzov which was basically a tier VIII Smolensk, with of course less guns but still smoke, hydro and also 8 km torps.
At least kutuzov has more normal armor scheme
I managed to get the west virginia 1941 from a container from the PR dockyard event.
Apart from that there were no other good points on the PR event
Smolensk is in the top 5 in every single category that maters in Wows!
Right?
I wonder why we see so few of them these days.
It is almost like the Boogeyman myth was exposed and players figured out how to pound them just like you have to do with every other ship.
Seems folks forget about how WG burned Humble Bundle and the community with their bait and switch during an E3. They offered the Murmansk for 1$ in a bundle during closed beta. After it went open beta they removed the ship without warning of any kind. They were eventually forced to give the ship back because they got enough heat from the FTC and other such organizations.
Look up Murmansk Humble Bundle and you should be able to find the posts and articles written during the time.
Had the Kitakami. Originally had no smoke. Even with smoke it totally sucked unless enemy mindlessly attacked around an island corner and even then it had to be slowly. It was very slow and with 10k torps and 10k visibility it was useless in the push. About 1 in 10 battles did you ever actually get to use it the way you thought you would. Very frustrating. Pretty soon no one with a clue played it.
I never see the Puerto Rico in game anymore after that holiday season
this is deffo becoming a top 5 channel and first and second impressions of new ships why not concentrate on how bad the some of the older ships have been power crept and making proper historical ships almost obsolete in the game and no fun to play
I am going to guess no.1 and if I am right you must like(even though you actually dont have to Idrc about likes)
Edit: dammit I am wrong
What about the Hiryu? That was removed from the game.
Im going to say it and its just because I have and actively play odin, she does not have the best armor of t8 bb's not even remotely close she eats citadels in a similar way to yammy, for some reason that boy just gets penned at the right spot while getting that 3rd turret on target and just enough broadside is shown it can be citadeled by cruisers, I've citadeled it in balti, tirp/bis, nc, amagi, shcarn, gneis. Its kinda sad more than anything to me because i love that ship but once you find its citadel it gets nuked like no tomorrow and finding it isnt as hard as finding it on tirp/bis.
Fully agreed that PR was a horrible grinding and dollars event... Man, WG really not improving the tech support as well.. it's all becoming of a lip service in my opinion. Smolly is 200% OP hence now, if u sees it. All wanna delete it! ODIN, still WIP hence can't comment much but the HP is kinda low to be competitive. CV... I m NOT a fan after the rework... Cheers mate
Allow me to correct you.
Regarding the Smolensk you said: they favourite targets are the german BB-s. Its not quite true. As a smolensk owner I can state that the French BB-s are better targets.
Lol they are not, french bbs are fast and can run. Germans can't. Big, fat, slow and easy-to-burn-armour is the best target
Gotta love when they replace stukas with bomber hunters
I got the Thunderer instead of Smolensk. I have regrets, but when I dev strike a Smolensk with either AP or even HE with mine, I can tell you that there is little in the game that is more fun.
Kitakami lol. I loathed that ship back in OBT when I first started out. The 40 torps were bad enough, but a lot of players would triple div them, essentially nuking entire swaths of the map in one fell swoop. If you saw a triple Kitakami div, you better hope you didn't spawn on their side of the map lol
I guess there is some advantage to being awake at 5am on a tuesday
Yup
01:35 KITAKAME
04:29 SMOLENSK
09:08 ODIN
11:41 GRAF ZEPPLIN
14:45 PUERTO RICO
Merry Christmas🎁🎄🎁🎄
I have the pay to rico. I still attract so much salt from enemy players (and friendly players) that it's now a strategy that I use to b8 enemies to chase me
There were 2 Things that were Insane. The Puerto Rico Event and the Original Idea of the Naval Training Center (NTC).
The PR Event. Just before the Patch hits we learn the Scale of the Directives.
I knew before that I would not get the Ship because I do not Play that Much on Christmas since that is Family Time.
But I did not Know that even Unicum Players like Flamu or Flambass with Lots of Free Time were not able to do that
They would have to Play this Game 24/7 for a Month during Christmas.
Original NTC. You reset your Line and if you have done that 3-4 Times you could Buff One Ship.
The Buffs were not to be Ignored. Better Dispersion and more Secondary Range for example.
But If you want to Buff all the Ships you like Playing you would have to Play for 100 years or More.
Your Life would be Reseting and Playing Ships you have already Played and again and again.
If this Sounds far more Insane than Jack Torrance writing his Book in the Shining repeating one Scentence. That´s because it is far more Insane.
Even the Players from the Top Competetive Clans said they would not do That Grind.
It was the first Time I saw Everybody having the same Opinion.
The Backlash was so Hard that the Idea was dropped in Hours.
now you can add soviet cvs to the next edition
My top 5
1. Puerto Rico (definitely agree with you)
2. Graf Zeppelin 1.0 (def agree )
3. Gulio Cesare (Odin doesn't make the top 20)
4. Missouri (available FOREVER!)
5. Kitakami (original controversy before my time though)
You forgot to mention the hundreds of dollars some people spent to finish the PR dockyard
Hey Sea lord. just an idea for a top 5 or 10 list. bad ships that are surprisingly good at operations.
I didn't think Odin was that controversial. The community was more suspicious and cautious. But i think the version we got is decently balanced and fun, WG told us everything up front, including what costs would be involved and the directives weren't Super-Unicum level difficulty. I guess the controversy is admitting even WG can learn lessons if the out-rage is large enough.
The problem is if the out rage is large enough. I highly doubt WG will listen to anything below the level of outrage over the PR.
''kitakami™ coming to an armory near you ''
Moskva going premium is bs. Giving everyone else the premium camo that many of us paid good money for.
The whole controversy about the PR was the reason i installed the game for a while. Because for some reason i felt so offended because i am from Puerto Rico. I was disgusted with WG handling of the whole situation
I mean, i uninstalled for 3 months. It took a lockdown and reduced work hours to bring me back and even now im a once or twice a week player down from almost nightly before. And i havnt spent a dime on the gane since after buying a years worth of premium the year before. They lost a paying customer in me with that one. Odin wasnt much better. This time the missions were possible, but they only did it in hopes of baiting you into paying for it. Either make the ship grindable like the kamikaze back in the day or the original anime ships or make it paid. Dont try and trick people
Wow you weren't around for the Alabama cry fest? The sheer levels of player entitlement was through the roof
Smolensk so WTF. I hate it but same time i want to purchase it too but its not available in store right now.
You buy ships? Ugh! You whale! ... Anyway, engaging fast comment Mode, the Odin grind ist quite alright, you just play and not even that much. PR was definitely the largest oof. I think the Kitakami won't be that bad this time around since everyone is camping at 20km anyway :) good video!
Wait so y'all haven't heard about the stalingrad incoming buff yet ?
Whats the buff?
No, elaborate
@@MrSpako13 base turret rotation speed reduced by 5,5 seconds, base max dispersion decreased by 9m, rudder shift time improved by 3,4 seconds, base main battery range improved by 1.1 km, and AP shell maximum damage raised to 9900.
Oh and last but not least, it's a troll :D
Belfast and Nicholai didn’t make the list?
Nicholai stopped mattering when they made tier 4 redundant.
The latest version of the Smolensk is a lot weaker. I regularly kill them with Germain BB secondaries and germain DDs. The Z52 can easily crit it with its guns.
Top 10 ships you don’t need skill to win in. And put Smolensk on nr.1
Why don't u apply for CC program my dude ????
I love to see u as a CC
I think it has bunch of stipulations tied to it
That’s incorrect with being able to get tier 10s form Santa containers..
Idky ppl hate on the kitakami. Not like we don’t have DDs that spam tones of torps allready
I‘m really missing the Payfast on this list.
Sealord when you get the new German t8 CV check out it's secondaries
I would've mentioned Giulio Cesare. Not only she is stupidly strong, she is so far the only attempt from WG to "nerf" one of those OP ships, which is fine if you don't own them but it's terrible if you do.
Also, GZ planes are not scouts. They are Focke Wulf TA 152, which were arguably the best German fighters in WW2, the only capable of giving Mustang pilots the shitters
Ironic the most controvercy of the most controvercial ship on the list had nothing to do with the ship herself.
And it is definitely not an OP ship, but it is likewise not a bad ship. Personally, I like it.
Kitakami should be released as a tier x dd. With 20 torps but with only one double gun turret in the front with like a 5 sec reload. Then it will be mainly a torp boat and wont survive any close range dd fights.
I don’t know why I’m still playing the game after the pay-to-rico disaster
@Turito Bassu I play WoWS for the simple reason that, being in my fifties, I can no longer enjoy games that require clicking the mouse at the correct instant. WoWS actually rewards patience and the window for correctly clicking the mouse button is seldom one that opens AND shuts in a fraction of a second.
This has nothing to do with the video but I had a very interesting game yesterday. So I was trying to hunt down a battleship by pushing in on one of the flanks (I thought he was alone and I was in a heavy cruiser). Turns out he was there with a destroyer, but instead of fighting he decided to floor it together with the destroyer. Fast forward 2 minutes and one of the enemy flanks had collapsed even though it was quite well defended and I managed to heard the enemy fleet into a small area where they were obliterated (I died with only 43k damage but my team finished them off).
Funny.. I can't seem to remember where I asked
my issue with Odin is that it's pay walled
ARP yamato now exists
Pr is a fine ship, it is the dockyard that ruined whole thing. It shouldnt be on this list.
It's ok, frankly a decrease in horizontal dispersion and a sigma increase would be nice as Montana or gk outperform it gun accuracy wise.....
gz has had the piss nerfed out of it since the cv rework
Where's Slava on this list?
I think you´re missing another really big one when it comes to controversy, I mean it´s not like the Stalingrad was well received by the public.
Wait for the Slava.
You forgot the WV controversy
Talkinh about PR...now we got the Hizen..I'm mean its way more doable, but still grindy af.
Belfast?
Shes coming back (sort of)! Due to the Azur Lane collab that is coming we are more than likely getting an 'AL Belfast' (which they showed off on Stream along with some other ships). I don't think Bel is as OP as she once was either, she's been kind of power crept (more as in she has been caught up to, if not actually surpassed) by things like the Russian Cruisers and stuff.
German dd 150s need ramge or reload
kitakami is not relesed yet ffs
Comment before watching the video! If every ship on this list isnt Russian or American i dont know what to say.
On console we only go to 8 no carryers
smolensk has pritty much the same shell travel time as the Des moines.....
None of this wouldve happened if WG balanced premiums
I dont think they can, for the same reason tanks couldnt change them or the premium ammo system. There are laws in the eu related to bait and switch. Every time they balance something that cost actual money, even if through a surrogate like dubloons, they are legally required to offer a refund for anyone who has it. Or so ive been told by ccs in the past
@@JKSSubstandard it's because they have pretty crap T&Cs. If there was a clause along the lines of "product may change. This is a game you idiot" in the terms they could get away with balancing it. In my opinion it's the community perception that premiums are immutable that WG allowed to grow to unsustainable levels
Let me guess the list
1. Smolensk
2. Slava
3. Smolensk
4. Slava
5. The secret child Smolensk had with Slava's father.
Kitakami isn't in the game yet, Would have liked to see the list without it.
The only thing bad about Smolensk is the game play
Hahahaha i bought too (discounted) no regrets i like her
the Belfast is quite annoying...especially in ranked battles