0:48 default 1:03 only time to not do default = 1) small ssd and want to make max use of leftover space = small a size unit but will take longer to browse 1:30 2) large drive, only storing large media files = big a size unit = can browse it faster It’s only a slight diff in browse speed that’s it really So just set to default it’s fine
I'm not a pro but I know: You can select all your data and show in propreties your size and size used on disk. If there is not much a difference you can grow up your Block size to grow up your performance of your drive... You can also orientate by (Size / Number of files). Now you see your average file size. Choose a block what is about 4-10 times smaller than your average file size...
Helpful comment. Note also for others: it takes some time for the 'size on disk' number to calculate, and for a moment it might even be lower than the 'size' number until it catches up. Another thing I'd like to note though is that that real-life tests sometimes seem to show lower speeds at higher cluster sizes, contrary to what you would expect. Higher sizes are generally indicated if file sizes tend to increase over time, as in this case having more leeway reduces the likelihood of fragmentation. But deviating from the default size may result in unpredictable issues down the line due to some programs not expecting such deviations. (This information is based on a couple hours of research. I'm not an expert.)
I have a slightly different application, & related question. I use two separate flash drives as part of my mobile storage system. One stays with me at all times, while the other remains in secure storage. Once a week, the two flash drives are brought together to sync a backup. Currently, I've been using two 512GB Flash Drives. After several years of service, I've reached a point where the flash drives are nearly full. Seeing that an upgrade was required, I purchase two 1TB Flash Drives. Both the 512GB & the 1TB Flash Drives are formated, using the exFAT File System. After completing the process of data transfer, from the 512GB to the 1TB Flash Drives, I expected to have significant free space left on the 1TB FD's. To my surprise, the 1TB FD's were nearly full! A quick comparison to the 512 FD's revealed that the same files were taking up substancially more space on the 1TB FD's. Is this due to a difference in clustor or allocation size, between the 512GB FD, & 1TB FD? Since the whole point of migrating to a larger Flash Drive was for addition space, how do I 'squeeze' more capacity out of the 1TB FD's? Do reformat the 1TB FD's to NTFS? All usage is on Windows-based systems (XP, 7, 10, etc...). Thanks in advance.
yeah thanks for vid, but i've been looking for some benchmarks with different allocation sizes to see if it really makes any difference on r/w speeds. i know in your vid you show the graph with the seek times just seems weird how it got slower with the larger allocation above 4k until it got to the biggest size. idk just formatted my new hdd w/ default like i usually do. ✌
Which ones best for my situation, I downloaded some games on an external standard hard drive. I was downloading a new game and trying to play a different game on the same hard drive and it glitches out and won’t open games. I did a quick format and that didn’t work :(
In my experience Windows is better with caching read files in RAM if you use NTFS instead of exFAT. Switching to NTFD improved external HDD dramatically for me.
Isn't the results within a margin of error and really has no real world effect on day to day operation. Thus this option is more of a preference and should usually just be left to default?
Can I still store smaller files if the allocation size is 64k? Coz I'll be using the HDD fir both games having large files as well as word files, ppts, etc. for my school
Yes you can store any file of any size. The only problem is that even if the file is smaller than 64 kilobytes, it will be stored as 64 kilobytes on that HDD. So for example if you have a text file or a picture on your pc that is 8KB in size. When you copy that file to the HDD that is formatted with the 64K unit allocation, the picture will be stored as 64KB. And if you have a file that is 85KB in size. when you copy it to that 64K HDD, the file will take up two 64KB blocks (which means the file will be stored as 128KB on that HDD).
I have a 500 GB Samsung T7 Portable SSD that I'm going to use for 3D & video projects (Maya, Photoshop, Premiere, etc). I don't care too much about space-saving, as much as I care for optimal read & write (I/O) speed, as I'm going to use it as a project based work drive and when finished, offload the finished work onto backup media. So ... can someone give me a rough "sweet spot" Allocation Unit Size aka Cluster Size for this purpose? Doesn't have to be scientifically defendable, I just someone's general suggestion.
Default is overall better for mix type of files and for movies/series and there ain't much use around it to be honest. All and all if you truly seek performance use free Defraggler (is free), is slow as FK but that programs after a few days of constantly running on the background will probably double the performance of your HDD since that one truly arrange all files base on folder locations for easy access in true sequential order. For games using 32K/64K cluster HDD will help as long as this driver is not mix with windows files, otherwise you risk increase the size as mention on the video...Get and SSD still 10x better solution for games and music or anyone doing video edition (Fast M.2 recommended at that point, even raid-0 for temp files), anything else like movies/series using Defraggler already solve most issues and there is no need to worry about clusters sizes. Only issue with Defraggler is the extreme slow time it takes to do all the calculations and move all files around, is slow just for safety measures and compatibility, they could solve it using bigger chunk of temporary files allocated on the RAM but will risk your data while is move around. For SSD there shouldn't be any noticeable increase in performance going high or low and making cluster smaller could save some space but I wouldn't bother considering windows take 50Gb at most and by today standard that's equal to a single AAA game alone or a couple of 4K movies in compress format. I only see a good reason to jump into 32K/64Kb cluster if you listen to ton of music or play games and you can't afford a SSD to manage them, seek times help a lot on SSD and HDD fill outdated and slow when it comes to big FLAC files or high quality formats, and totally waste of time for games, for video editor is better to play around those config on the program and use as much RAM as possible and prevent any use of the HDD at all cost (you can for most basic things). If you download lot of stuff from the internet using frees-pace defragmentation is a better solution than wasting time arranging files all around when they keep getting deleted and replace constantly but you can do some quick defragmentation every now and then when you took a brake from downloading new files on it.
no matter how much people describe it and how much i understand i still feel like i dunno if im picking the right size. for ps3 i think the max size is 32 so i think ill use that as my max on my 2tb externals and so my old tvs pick it up as well. i usually use 4 but i realize i think i can at least bump it up to 32
im wondering the exact same thing. Mine is external and i will use it for games and videos (like screen recordings). Im not sure what to do because i dont want to waste too much space, but it is a 2tb hdd so maybe it doesn't matter and because its external maybe the extra speed is worth it. If anyone knows an answer pls let me know asell
@@real_pewtato I recently done it because I want to know the result. From default of 4k kbp to 2M for modern disk. I would say it find the file faster. For example I want to find the screenshot folder of Fallout4 with the files name deathclaw404.jpg it finds it quick rather than waiting to load the entire steam common folder. As per downloading files or moving file like WD 500gb to Seagate 2tb it was a constant 90mbps instead of 40-70mbps if allocation unit size is at default of 4k.
Look, I'm not the smartest man around and that's why even after I watched your video I'm still confused. I have an external SSD 1tb and I want to format it to FAT32, what cluster size do I need to choose?
GMODISM. Fancy seeing you here. My SSD drive is full from all these bloody games. PES2021 virtuared 4.1 mod has depleted my space. Lets see if you can fix the problem. I'm optimistic.
I'm trying to restore my laptop because it don't work anymore but I need the tb flash drive in this format.. not sure what to pick of size .. I guess I'll leave it as it is
0:48 default
1:03 only time to not do default =
1) small ssd and want to make max use of leftover space = small a size unit but will take longer to browse
1:30 2) large drive, only storing large media files = big a size unit = can browse it faster
It’s only a slight diff in browse speed that’s it really
So just set to default it’s fine
I had both small and large files in my hardisk !
What should i do ?
Should i choose standard/default ?
Standard :)
I'm not a pro but I know: You can select all your data and show in propreties your size and size used on disk. If there is not much a difference you can grow up your Block size to grow up your performance of your drive... You can also orientate by (Size / Number of files). Now you see your average file size. Choose a block what is about 4-10 times smaller than your average file size...
Thanks, this comment helped me more than video.
Helpful comment. Note also for others: it takes some time for the 'size on disk' number to calculate, and for a moment it might even be lower than the 'size' number until it catches up.
Another thing I'd like to note though is that that real-life tests sometimes seem to show lower speeds at higher cluster sizes, contrary to what you would expect. Higher sizes are generally indicated if file sizes tend to increase over time, as in this case having more leeway reduces the likelihood of fragmentation. But deviating from the default size may result in unpredictable issues down the line due to some programs not expecting such deviations. (This information is based on a couple hours of research. I'm not an expert.)
I have a slightly different application, & related question. I use two separate flash drives as part of my mobile storage system. One stays with me at all times, while the other remains in secure storage. Once a week, the two flash drives are brought together to sync a backup. Currently, I've been using two 512GB Flash Drives. After several years of service, I've reached a point where the flash drives are nearly full. Seeing that an upgrade was required, I purchase two 1TB Flash Drives. Both the 512GB & the 1TB Flash Drives are formated, using the exFAT File System.
After completing the process of data transfer, from the 512GB to the 1TB Flash Drives, I expected to have significant free space left on the 1TB FD's. To my surprise, the 1TB FD's were nearly full! A quick comparison to the 512 FD's revealed that the same files were taking up substancially more space on the 1TB FD's.
Is this due to a difference in clustor or allocation size, between the 512GB FD, & 1TB FD? Since the whole point of migrating to a larger Flash Drive was for addition space, how do I 'squeeze' more capacity out of the 1TB FD's? Do reformat the 1TB FD's to NTFS? All usage is on Windows-based systems (XP, 7, 10, etc...).
Thanks in advance.
So if my disk allocation unit size is 4kb,
and i have a file with 5kb, will it occupies 5kb or 8kb on the drive?
8kb
8kb. You cannot partially fill a sector so any file spanning multiple will take up the entirety of each.
It find it satisfying the video stops at 2:59, it would he 10x more satisfying if the video made it to 3:00
Thanks for clarity. This is what exactly I wanted.👍
Hey! I'm glad you enjoyed the video ^__^
Please leave a like for the algorithm! 😊👍
Will that affect the read-write speed?
yeah thanks for vid, but i've been looking for some benchmarks with different allocation sizes to see if it really makes any difference on r/w speeds. i know in your vid you show the graph with the seek times just seems weird how it got slower with the larger allocation above 4k until it got to the biggest size.
idk just formatted my new hdd w/ default like i usually do. ✌
Thank you for this short but very useful information!!!
Concise and to the point, thanks you saved me lots of time!
You're welcome!
Thanks for the video, it really helped!
Which ones best for my situation, I downloaded some games on an external standard hard drive. I was downloading a new game and trying to play a different game on the same hard drive and it glitches out and won’t open games. I did a quick format and that didn’t work :(
does this mean that if i have 2MB allocation size it might render in lesser time my sony vegas videos ?
no
I copy a LOT of videos over 100MB (usually closer to 300MB) to a flash drive. So 64K or 128K? Thinking of using Exfat instead of NTFS. Thanks.
In my experience Windows is better with caching read files in RAM if you use NTFS instead of exFAT. Switching to NTFD improved external HDD dramatically for me.
Hi can you make video about how to wipe drive entirety without going to settings and letting windows do it. (Basically do it manually)
use killdisk its a free ware
Great short and to the point. Thank you so much brother. Subbed
Thanks for the sub!
It was helpful! So I'm giving you a thumbs up.
What if you have mixed large files and small files? What size best to take then? Standard?
Yeah standard is the best generally!
What is the best allocation unit size for sd card A1 526gb?
Is exFAT locked at 64kb? I have a folder with 950,000 files. Windows (NTFS) - 270GB. Portable SSD for Mac (exFAT) - 613GB
Isn't the results within a margin of error and really has no real world effect on day to day operation. Thus this option is more of a preference and should usually just be left to default?
Can I still store smaller files if the allocation size is 64k? Coz I'll be using the HDD fir both games having large files as well as word files, ppts, etc. for my school
Yes you can store any file of any size. The only problem is that even if the file is smaller than 64 kilobytes, it will be stored as 64 kilobytes on that HDD.
So for example if you have a text file or a picture on your pc that is 8KB in size. When you copy that file to the HDD that is formatted with the 64K unit allocation, the picture will be stored as 64KB.
And if you have a file that is 85KB in size. when you copy it to that 64K HDD, the file will take up two 64KB blocks (which means the file will be stored as 128KB on that HDD).
100% Helped out! Thank you :)
You're welcome
Do u have any recommendations for a budget ssd card? I’m talking maybe 100$ ssd cards that are reliable
WESTER DIGITAL !
samsung evo 970s are very good quality
I have a 500 GB Samsung T7 Portable SSD that I'm going to use for 3D & video projects (Maya, Photoshop, Premiere, etc). I don't care too much about space-saving, as much as I care for optimal read & write (I/O) speed, as I'm going to use it as a project based work drive and when finished, offload the finished work onto backup media. So ... can someone give me a rough "sweet spot" Allocation Unit Size aka Cluster Size for this purpose? Doesn't have to be scientifically defendable, I just someone's general suggestion.
THANK YOU SO MUCH IT REALLY HELPED ME :)
You're welcome!!
Thanks for the video
No problem!
Default is overall better for mix type of files and for movies/series and there ain't much use around it to be honest. All and all if you truly seek performance use free Defraggler (is free), is slow as FK but that programs after a few days of constantly running on the background will probably double the performance of your HDD since that one truly arrange all files base on folder locations for easy access in true sequential order. For games using 32K/64K cluster HDD will help as long as this driver is not mix with windows files, otherwise you risk increase the size as mention on the video...Get and SSD still 10x better solution for games and music or anyone doing video edition (Fast M.2 recommended at that point, even raid-0 for temp files), anything else like movies/series using Defraggler already solve most issues and there is no need to worry about clusters sizes. Only issue with Defraggler is the extreme slow time it takes to do all the calculations and move all files around, is slow just for safety measures and compatibility, they could solve it using bigger chunk of temporary files allocated on the RAM but will risk your data while is move around. For SSD there shouldn't be any noticeable increase in performance going high or low and making cluster smaller could save some space but I wouldn't bother considering windows take 50Gb at most and by today standard that's equal to a single AAA game alone or a couple of 4K movies in compress format. I only see a good reason to jump into 32K/64Kb cluster if you listen to ton of music or play games and you can't afford a SSD to manage them, seek times help a lot on SSD and HDD fill outdated and slow when it comes to big FLAC files or high quality formats, and totally waste of time for games, for video editor is better to play around those config on the program and use as much RAM as possible and prevent any use of the HDD at all cost (you can for most basic things). If you download lot of stuff from the internet using frees-pace defragmentation is a better solution than wasting time arranging files all around when they keep getting deleted and replace constantly but you can do some quick defragmentation every now and then when you took a brake from downloading new files on it.
Very helpful thx
Glad it helped
Thanks!
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
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How to use 128k
0:11 you could've said it in english though😔
no matter how much people describe it and how much i understand i still feel like i dunno if im picking the right size. for ps3 i think the max size is 32 so i think ill use that as my max on my 2tb externals and so my old tvs pick it up as well. i usually use 4 but i realize i think i can at least bump it up to 32
Set it to default for pendrives
Thank you, chad!🥃
My pleasure!
Thanks i would have missed allocation part.
You're welcome 😊
Thank you
You're welcome
Nice! Keep it up!
it would be better if u have a presentation with graphs
nc short and simple
Gaming NVMe SSD (Gen4) in 2024: It makes sense to use 64K according to your Big & Moderate file sizes!
I have a 2TB and purposely for games, do I need to set it at the maxium like 2mb?
im wondering the exact same thing. Mine is external and i will use it for games and videos (like screen recordings). Im not sure what to do because i dont want to waste too much space, but it is a 2tb hdd so maybe it doesn't matter and because its external maybe the extra speed is worth it. If anyone knows an answer pls let me know asell
@@real_pewtato I recently done it because I want to know the result. From default of 4k kbp to 2M for modern disk. I would say it find the file faster. For example I want to find the screenshot folder of Fallout4 with the files name deathclaw404.jpg it finds it quick rather than waiting to load the entire steam common folder. As per downloading files or moving file like WD 500gb to Seagate 2tb it was a constant 90mbps instead of 40-70mbps if allocation unit size is at default of 4k.
@@strahl_licht wow thanks. I just finished formatting with default 4k bug maybe i will redo it since it is faster.
gracias por los subtítulos gracias vídeo ma muchas bendiciones suerte
It's same as exfat sd card
Look, I'm not the smartest man around and that's why even after I watched your video I'm still confused. I have an external SSD 1tb and I want to format it to FAT32, what cluster size do I need to choose?
Thank you from TX.
but my 4tb says the biggest is 2M whatfk
thats pretty high m8
Interesting
Smaller allocation reduce hard drive lifespan
Probably its not a big difference
Sweden
A poor explanation.
GMODISM. Fancy seeing you here. My SSD drive is full from all these bloody games. PES2021 virtuared 4.1 mod has depleted my space. Lets see if you can fix the problem. I'm optimistic.
Good luck!
I'm trying to restore my laptop because it don't work anymore but I need the tb flash drive in this format.. not sure what to pick of size .. I guess I'll leave it as it is