Stop Loss Strategy VS Buy & Hold? (11 year study)

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  • Опубликовано: 15 май 2024
  • What is the best stop loss strategy and how does is compare against a buy and hold strategy?
    Which stop loss percentage is the best?
    Is a trailing stop loss strategy better?
    Well in this video we look at a research study which will help answer some of those questions.
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  • @timlangford8678
    @timlangford8678 10 месяцев назад +67

    I realize the time period of the study (1998 to 2009) was not cherry-picked, but it included two of the largest draw-downs in history, with no long periods of trendless trading. That would greatly favor a stop loss system. They couldn't have picked a better "arbitrary" time period.

    • @7425park
      @7425park 2 месяца назад

      Ok how about 2019-2023? This shit happens all the time.

    • @timlangford8678
      @timlangford8678 2 месяца назад +2

      I would argue the Covid crash of 2020, the melt up of 2021, the bear market of 2022 and the subsequent recovery were all BIG moves, not trendless.

    • @Ozzie12
      @Ozzie12 Месяц назад +1

      I came here to say the same thing. Buy and whole traditionally will have a positive game. Whether it's more or less than a 15% stop loss is not clear. Plus what's really important is not what you make but what you keep! Taxes will be much higher if you're buying and selling all the time. That needs to be factored in. Those are the two things to consider when looking at this video.

    • @maxmaxed2887
      @maxmaxed2887 Месяц назад +1

      Not if it is IRA/Roth

    • @lindwurm5976
      @lindwurm5976 Месяц назад

      @@timlangford8678 The Covid-Crash and Recovery took like 6 months total, with 5 months being the recovery. A stopp loss strategy would have missed out on big parts of the recovery there.

  • @cyberryderfx7577
    @cyberryderfx7577 Месяц назад +12

    it’s a huge difference if you speak about SINGLE STOCKS or ETF for a SL. This wasn’t clearly mentioned, but it seems he speaks about single stocks

    • @rl1271
      @rl1271 23 дня назад

      True. I use small % stop losses for individual stocks. An ETF i would only stop loss for 20% + downwards movements

  • @tomb8430
    @tomb8430 Месяц назад +5

    Hodling is truly a problem, and usually pushed by those who are stuck by it. I wish I would have put a stop loss on my TSLA purchase, because I have now been stuck in a loss position for a couple of years. It's not fun at all.

  • @gagnepaingilly
    @gagnepaingilly 2 месяца назад +104

    My portfolio for the past 30 years has always been self managed and I own 3 shares of Berkshire Hathaway Class A stock (BRK:A) which I bought in at about $17,000 during the mid 90s, I’m currently liquidating some of these positions to incoporate new Gen. Stocks, but am I better off re-investing into Gold as it seems stocks are a little too unstable right now.

    • @sommersalt88
      @sommersalt88 2 месяца назад +1

      Invest in real estate, ETFs and high-yield savings account.

    • @Lewyn298
      @Lewyn298 2 месяца назад +1

      Just buy Gold and protect your assets, the stock market is a rollercoaster.

    • @84gaynor
      @84gaynor 2 месяца назад +1

      The market is not necessarily a rollercoaster if you know your way around the market, there are various opportunities in the present market to accrue good profit, If you are not too savvy with the market, just buy and hold on strong companies with good earnings, or consult with advisors on ETFs and actively managed funds.

    • @Curbalnk
      @Curbalnk 2 месяца назад

      How do I reach out to a financial advisor, my portfolio has been struggling since 2022 and I’ve been holding on by the skin of my teeth.

    • @84gaynor
      @84gaynor 2 месяца назад +2

      Jessica Annabelle Rupp is the licensed advisor I use. Just research the name. You’d find necessary details to work with to set up an appointment

  • @colorado841
    @colorado841 3 месяца назад +23

    There are two problems I see with this strategy that are worth thinking about. One is that a lot the trades are short term trades which will be taxed at a higher rate and the taxes will compound with time. The second is that if you set a stop loss...at some point you have to get back in. If your plan is to get back in if the market reaches the stop loss value (like in this study) once you sell there is a very well get bounced in an out of the money multiple times in one day or week or month. This could result is losses do to stock liquidity problems or the exact timing of the trades. If you delay getting back in the market could recover a lot of territory quickly and you could loose money. The market normally goes up within 24 hours of a major dip. If you set the re entry point a few percentages above the exit point you will loos a few percentage points for each trade which will compound over time. If there was a way avoid downside risk entirely while keeping the upside....every day trader would be a millionaire by now. A 7% stop loss is better than your stock loosing 50%. However a 7% is very likely to trigger, and if you keep doing that you will end up down over 50%.

    • @Vidyasagarbb
      @Vidyasagarbb 2 месяца назад +5

      True. In all the bull market phases & developing economies, buy & hold has far outplayed the stop loss strategies. In fact the very reason many traders missed big bull runs in history in my country India is because they were traders seeking 20% return per year with 30% of the returns taxed while buy & hold investors could make 30% returns CAGR in long run with just 10% tax. this video is so untrue.

    • @Elaba_
      @Elaba_ 2 месяца назад +1

      @@Vidyasagarbb30% returns on the long run are impossible. These numbers can be obtained for a couple of years but it is only exception. I agree however buy and hold is superior. Cutting your losses and letting your winners run like in this video is also a good idea. I hold my winners and sell my losers after 6 months of ownership.

    • @Vidyasagarbb
      @Vidyasagarbb 2 месяца назад +1

      @@Elaba_ well from investing, in long term many portfolio managers could go past 20%. So my point is still valid. But in keep booking profits and not sitting tight on stocks is trading. 20 to 30% post tax is as difficult from trading as investing. More over it needs lot of time. >20%Pre tax may still be possible. That’s my experience as well,. But with large sums

    • @BlazingShackles
      @BlazingShackles Месяц назад +1

      the second approach presented is total nonsense. buy and wait for your SL to get hit with no Take Profit. Insanity.

  • @carter3294
    @carter3294 Год назад +19

    Most difficult part about this current market environment for new investors, is filtering out the good from the bad. Just because a company is down 50%+, does not make it a sound investment. Do your OWN due diligence & invest in great companies or IFs/ETFs.

    • @LuisVargas-ih5vm
      @LuisVargas-ih5vm Год назад +4

      Buying during a panic, selling during euphoria, and holding on when you are bored and just craving a little action. Investing is 5% intellect and 95% temperament.

    • @billybrannon6394
      @billybrannon6394 Год назад +1

      The ability to predict the market is the most important skill a trader needs. This is the biggest lie in trading

    • @cuddyb9631
      @cuddyb9631 Год назад

      @@billybrannon6394 managing your Trade Or Account is more important than forecasting the outcome of any trade.

    • @Steyne968
      @Steyne968 Год назад +3

      @Gregory Feigenberg Thats why it’s important to trade with guidance and over some sort of speculations. since i started trading with ''Casey Allen Gray'' i have understood that strategy and time in the market beats alot of volatility. i am 25% up and still counting.

    • @Steyne968
      @Steyne968 Год назад +2

      @Gregory Feigenberg You can look her up and drop a message for her through her webpage.

  • @Mr-sweeny
    @Mr-sweeny 2 месяца назад +39

    80% equities 20% cash. I plan to take advantage of the s&p 500 as leading indicators predict above 10% rise by this year, my only issue is how to properly allocate a large stock/bond portfolio for substantial gains at minimum risk.

    • @Nernst96
      @Nernst96 2 месяца назад +2

      I believe that diversifying your investments is the safest way to handle it. One way to lessen the effects of a market crisis is to distribute investments over a variety of asset classes, such as international equities, bonds, and real estate. It's critical to look for expert advice.

    • @hankmarks69
      @hankmarks69 2 месяца назад +1

      Everyone has means and unique ways of operation, the point is ensuring you’re profitable, I’ve seen my $170k startup surpass a million and its been only eighteen months having an FA guide me on my investments. It’s a necessity going about the fin market if you want to be profitable nothing can match professionalism and experience.

    • @PhilipDunk
      @PhilipDunk 2 месяца назад +1

      Please can you leave the info of your lnvestment advsor here? I’m in dire need for one

    • @hankmarks69
      @hankmarks69 2 месяца назад

      Amber Dawn Brummit is the licensed coach I use. Just research the name. You'd find necessary details to work with a correspondence to set up an appointment.

    • @PhilipDunk
      @PhilipDunk 2 месяца назад +1

      Thank you for this Pointer. It was easy to find your handler, She seems very proficient and flexible. I booked a call session with her.

  • @drkrueger
    @drkrueger Месяц назад

    This was just what I needed! Great work. Thank you!

  • @gagangames4813
    @gagangames4813 5 месяцев назад +1

    I love your videos. Please make more video on what academic research say about various subject on equity

  • @Biergeliebter
    @Biergeliebter 3 месяца назад +3

    I would like to see the results with ETFs. Since they tend to be less volatile I assume a smaller percentage stop loss would be the sweet spot.

  • @Outshinedsg
    @Outshinedsg Год назад +8

    Could I make a video request? You've made a lot of great videos about topics related to risk management, trading strategy, psychology, position sizing and other aspects relating to the trading process. Would it be possible to make a video about asset selection and the research process to finding/choosing your investments? This is the part I'm struggling with right now. There are so many options out there, it feels overwhelming and it would be great to have some ideas on where to start or how to narrow things down. Thanks again for the great content!

    • @akashbhayani2092
      @akashbhayani2092 Год назад +3

      Pls check dual momentum video. It will address ur concerns

  • @bhavinvakil6061
    @bhavinvakil6061 Год назад +16

    I think stop loss results also depends on the stock selection and the timing. We can't just rely on the stop loss on an overall basis....

  • @Soundista
    @Soundista Год назад +20

    I wonder what the results would be when using an ATR instead of a trailing percentage?

    • @glife8478
      @glife8478 2 месяца назад +1

      ATR works good on a horizontal VWAP

  • @infinityprodinc
    @infinityprodinc Год назад +13

    These are great videos! 10min long with great content and examples. Please continue with these videos. Thank you very much!!!!

  • @michaeljordana6779
    @michaeljordana6779 Год назад +8

    I don't know about stop-loss settings based on PERCENTAGES. The late Dr Van K Tharp -- a trading psychologist about whom you've done a couple of videos -- recommended basing them on AVERAGE TRUE RANGE (ATR). He suggested stop losses of 3 ATRs, with the idea that if an instrument moved that much against you, it was probably time to get out of it.

  • @jimmyt5241
    @jimmyt5241 Месяц назад +1

    Thanks for sharing this I was wondering about this a trailing stop loss vs buy and just hold

  • @sudhakar1dw
    @sudhakar1dw Год назад

    Great Video, Just a question, Is there any specific criteria to select the stocks. Are they trending/sideways etc

  • @coppcar
    @coppcar Месяц назад +1

    Thank you. I needed this and it is superbly done.

  • @foreverunknown23
    @foreverunknown23 2 месяца назад +3

    Apologies if this is beginner question. What makes us believe that specific 11 years from the study indicate future performance and risk ratio?

  • @FrozenDoberman
    @FrozenDoberman Год назад +3

    Certain traders use an index no-buy rule filter. During bear markets where the relevant indexes are trading below down-sloping 10 and/or 20-week EMA lines, normally profitable trading strategies have a much higher failure rate. Stop losses also more frequently get hit. In a bear market, they eventually get to all sectors. Even the standout 2022 leading energy sector was recently hit. This is why Dr. Chris Kacher discusses the importance of contextual factors in his book, and newsletters. Chris is currently either almost completely, or entirely in cash until a bull market eventually resumes. Even Nicolas Darvas stated that he was only able to achieve unusually large stock gains when the Dow Industrials index was strongly trending up between early 1958 to early 1960. Darvas dynamically responded by going to cash by 1960. Anecdotally, by trading using exclusively long positions, the market is only worth being involved with for circa a third of the time during the stage 2 phase.

  • @rodf1021
    @rodf1021 2 месяца назад +1

    Thank you for the content. Very clear and direct. Do you place your trailing stops in the market, or keep track outside the market and place orders when the stop is passed? There seems to be a good deal of content advising not creating the stop loss orders in the market.

  • @bjoernwuest7483
    @bjoernwuest7483 2 месяца назад

    Nice insights into this stop-loss strategy. One question remains open: of course, setting a TSL is easy, and prevents you from even more losses. But once the TSL is triggered, you have cash on the side line and the question pops up "when to buy"? It is very easy to miss the right time, just buying prices are above TSL trigger price. How to prevent that?

  • @Kantor895
    @Kantor895 2 месяца назад +29

    I remember having a consultation with a trade analyst last August, and it was incredibly insightful. Can’t stress enough how helpful experts in this field are!

    • @Heavenonearth760
      @Heavenonearth760 2 месяца назад +1

      Absolutely agree! A good trade analyst can make a world of difference. What specific insights did you gain?

    • @Kantor895
      @Kantor895 2 месяца назад +2

      My colleagues had a good laugh at me when I told them I got into trading and started my journey with $5k and how much I accumulated within a span of 7 months. They never believed me until I pulled out my P&L.
      Jonas, who's a pro trade analyst, has guided me to identify key market trends, pinpointed strategic entry points, and provided risk assessments, ensuring my trades decisions align with market dynamics for optimal returns.

    • @Fleneroy77
      @Fleneroy77 2 месяца назад +2

      That’s awesome! I’ve been contemplating hiring one since I can’t get a hang of trading even after buying courses. I’d like a discussion with him. Any means to reach him?

    • @Kantor895
      @Kantor895 2 месяца назад +3

      Hermanw Jonas (a Gma!L
      Is he taking commissions for his services? Yes, I’m I still making money in the process. Hell yes!

    • @theindianmerchant2860
      @theindianmerchant2860 2 месяца назад +2

      Thanks for the advice, both of you. It’s reassuring to hear positive experiences.
      I feel more confident about moving forward with Herman now. I just shot him a mail. Thanks for sharing your experiences!

  • @SamCarleton
    @SamCarleton 2 месяца назад

    I love the length of the video. I have watched it a few times trying to understand the two difference stop loss approaches and I don’t see the difference, what am I missing?

  • @thomasrandle2000
    @thomasrandle2000 Год назад +6

    Great video but confused as earlier in video a 15% trailing stop was best at over 70% returns, yet at end was second to 20% trailing stop at around 20% returns?

  • @Outshinedsg
    @Outshinedsg Год назад +8

    Eye opening video. It's really helpful to cut away all the noise from various opinions and see scientifically-supported examples of what's optimal. Definitely feel like I need to be a little more active in managing this stuff (or else intentionally pick investments that do not require management)

  • @W-HealthPianoExercises
    @W-HealthPianoExercises Месяц назад +1

    "Buy and hope" can make sense (at most) on mkt indexes (especially after strong corrections), not on specific stocks, where it can be suicidal. The best is just do automated hedging working on suitable instruments 🙂

  • @zakadams6916
    @zakadams6916 Месяц назад +1

    Hi. I really enjoyed your video. If u don’t mind me asking what Trailing Stop Loss would you recommend for Crypto.. As my buy and hold policy sees in exactly the same predicament as described in here 🙏

  • @braddeicide
    @braddeicide 26 дней назад +1

    I like when my stoploss is hit during a brief flash down during a bull run.

  • @jean-marcducommun8185
    @jean-marcducommun8185 Год назад +2

    Just stumbled over your channel and after a few videos I‘m a fan already. Very solid and professional content that let‘s viewers take steps to get better in their investing or trading results. Thank you!

    • @FinancialWisdom
      @FinancialWisdom  Год назад

      Welcome aboard!

    • @theWebWizrd
      @theWebWizrd Год назад

      A word of caution though; be very sceptical about all financial content on the Internet. This random RUclips-channel claims stop loss orders are clearly much better than buy and hold, yet Warran Buffet, considered the greatest investor of all time, famously subscribes to a buy and hold. At the end of the day, it makes more sense to listen to people who have actually proven their insights by becoming billionares through investing rather than most financial content creators on RUclips who can't beat the marked consistently like most professional investors (really by definition when you think about it, most people can't beat the average).
      No one, absolutely no one ever, have been able to consistently make returns even at 30%+ per year through investing in the stock marked without inside information. That's vital context to know when exploring financial content on RUclips.

    • @lakshay534
      @lakshay534 Год назад

      @@theWebWizrd sometimes logic speaks louder.

  • @alemao8584
    @alemao8584 Год назад

    your videos offer the best trading course ever and are free, and to think a lot of people charge for trading coaching etc.......

  • @el-sig2249
    @el-sig2249 Год назад +3

    Excellent video. I wonder if it is possible to factor in drawdowns in such a study as they impact psychology and the traders ability to follow their rules consistently.

  • @fturla___156
    @fturla___156 Месяц назад +1

    A stop loss strategy is simply a tool that can have a high variance of outcome based on several factors and the skill of the user, and because the data variance have always exceeded more than a 20% difference both on the up and down side, you cannot explicitly state that usage is significantly beneficial to the user in relation to other strategies both in the short and long term trades. Usage of the tool is significantly advantageous if combined with other knowledge based tools on the data set being examined, because negative outcomes has a lower chance of occurring in connection to variance analysis for violating the likely movement of a valuation of an asset. Basically, you are now trying to statistically avoid negative out comes within one or two standard deviations of what is likely to occur.

  • @sheldonvandal6895
    @sheldonvandal6895 Год назад +5

    I have been in the markets for 20 plus years, and I have watched 1000's of trading videos, read 100s of books, and the MACD trading example for exits is FUCKING AMAZING! Thanks! Your other content is gobsmacking as well.

    • @FinancialWisdom
      @FinancialWisdom  Год назад +1

      Thanks Sheldon, glad people are finding value...

    • @sheldonvandal6895
      @sheldonvandal6895 Год назад

      @@FinancialWisdom I am joining your group today ;)

  • @niidaimehokage5731
    @niidaimehokage5731 Год назад +1

    A very good and meaningful content, I seldomly used 5 % stop loss so this video teach new thing to me. Can you do video explaining the differences between trailing stop loss & traditional stop loss? And also can you make a video explaining more about market structure? Thank you

    • @Witroodwit
      @Witroodwit Год назад

      Differences between trailing stop loss & traditional stop loss: Trailing stop loss moves up with the price. Traditional stop loss will not move and stay at the price entered.

    • @lycanravage
      @lycanravage 6 месяцев назад

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  • @KpxUrz5745
    @KpxUrz5745 Месяц назад

    There are many factors in trading which make even Buy&Hold capable of up to 60% profit per year. Things like building a position, partial or full profit targets, receiving dividends, selling covered calls and puts, etc. I mostly Buy&Hold, and work diligently at it every day to try for the goal of achieving a fairly steady rate of growth. And I plot a daily graph which includes the cash and positions value of 4 trading accounts, along with the mathematical best fit linear regression line as a measure of progress. This works remarkably well for me without using any stop losses. I do try to constantly veer into good timely stocks, and take profits when robust profit targets are reached.

  • @omarboscolo
    @omarboscolo Месяц назад +1

    such studies should be done on lots of different equity lines to come up with a meaningful result. Otherwise the results may be affected by the known "over-fitting" issue. In other words the strategy may work good on this specific equity line but not on different ones

  • @JoeCliftonPerry
    @JoeCliftonPerry 2 месяца назад

    Thank you for this great content. I’m a novice trader. When utilizing trailing stop losses with swing trading, do you set your chosen stop loss percentage below the days closing price? If not, what figure should be used to set the stop loss? Thank you.

  • @josebaez3729
    @josebaez3729 Год назад +2

    Hi, I am new to trading, I think your videos are awesome, I am learning so much from them.
    Thank you very much.
    I have a question, when you talk about my stop loss should be 20% of the amount of money I am trading?
    Sorry for the question.

    • @FinancialWisdom
      @FinancialWisdom  Год назад

      A 10% stop loss is based on the position not the overall equity. I would risk up to 1.5% of equity on one position.

    • @STAZ1980
      @STAZ1980 Месяц назад

      @@FinancialWisdom Can you give an example? When you don't give an example all your explanations are worth nothing to be honest. Thanks.

  • @samcurran8124
    @samcurran8124 Год назад +2

    Best channel on stock market.

  • @tarp-grommet
    @tarp-grommet 2 месяца назад

    Thanks for the insight. Just to be sure I understand - a "trailing stop-loss" is where you keep adjusting the stop price as the stock moves up?

  • @NoMamonos
    @NoMamonos Месяц назад +2

    Interesting... but what's the re-investment/re-entry rule? That makes all the difference. Don't get me wrong, that's also a problem for buy and hold, were you generally end up with you absolute max amount of capital invested just before downturns. Also, the described strategy is terrible in sideway markets.

    • @FinancialWisdom
      @FinancialWisdom  Месяц назад

      Reinvestment/re-entry does not have to be the same stock or asset, it can be a different stock setting up appropriately so that you are constantly moving money into the right price action.

  • @Frank020
    @Frank020 3 месяца назад

    I feel bad for not holding uber, and many others. True, some dicey stocks it is probably better to sell and never come back. Percentages are based on an initial comparison. 5-10$ is still a 5$ difference up or down. Comparisons are only of value when comparing to a different asset, not to itself.

  • @nelliemillan4627
    @nelliemillan4627 Месяц назад +1

    I'm beginning to think u r absolutely right , my friend & mentor told me just hold for ever , the mrkt will always be back & you'll b ok . No losses whatsoever as long as u do not sell , he says that's what he does and he does have a LOT of $ . But he bought me 10 thousand dollars worth of LUMN , which had a great dividend , but now is worth nothing .so ......

    • @FinancialWisdom
      @FinancialWisdom  Месяц назад

      Singular stock buy and hold is a risky business

  • @lorne778
    @lorne778 3 месяца назад

    Thanks for the video! Does the stop loss principle apply to ETFs? Or are they more of a buy and hold product?

    • @seanwool
      @seanwool 3 месяца назад

      No, it would be very different. That's actually the reason I favor ETFs because they sort of have a built in stop loss. One company can go to near zero and stay there. A group of 100 companies generally doesn't do that. The one company within the 100 that did that would be eliminated from the index.

  • @obcane3072
    @obcane3072 Год назад

    I dont understand why wait until the next quarter.
    How about a trailing percent stop loss and turf you want for it to go up by a similar percentage of she the stop loss would be.
    So if you put in 10% stop loss, you get it once it goes up 10% from the low.

  • @jb_makesgames2264
    @jb_makesgames2264 Год назад +2

    Excellent video - Your analysis re % stop loss ties into my own analysis which was based on reviewing actual drawdowns on various stocks. I had previously used volatility.

  • @titanstrading
    @titanstrading Год назад +1

    Thanks so many gems here
    !!

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    @alexeykaplin5979 Месяц назад

    Sir, you are amazing! Useful info, perfect delivery. Keep it up please!

  • @simmonds788
    @simmonds788 Год назад +1

    Thank you, excellent content time and again.

  • @goncaloveiga
    @goncaloveiga Год назад +1

    I love your videos. Thank you.

  • @michaelpaul9179
    @michaelpaul9179 3 месяца назад +1

    Great video!

  • @JadeSiriswad
    @JadeSiriswad Год назад

    Your vdo are fun to learn. Thank you so much

  • @EvandroSegundo
    @EvandroSegundo 2 месяца назад +1

    It is hard to make a definitive comment based on the abstract alone but 11 years is actually the size of the data available which is already too short for any financial study. The holding periods matter a lot and they are only 3 months long. This is not a buy and hold strategy because BH is by definition a long term strategy (the holding period itself should be 10+ years). Also, in real life the portfolio of a buy and hold investor differ from the portfolio of a trader. And finally, tax and transaction costs were note mentioned. They also differ from one strategy to the other.

  • @chan400
    @chan400 Год назад +3

    Very useful video!
    Using Stop losses at support levels would be fantastic!!

  • @ashutoshdongare5370
    @ashutoshdongare5370 2 месяца назад

    Fantastic video !

  • @peterking8722
    @peterking8722 Год назад +3

    Hi Financial Wisdom, Thanks for presenting the study. At around 6:19, it shows 15% trailing stop loss is better than 20% trailing stop loss with returns close to 74% vs close to 64%. However, near the end, from around 8:45, when compared to traditional stop loss, 20% trailing stop performed better than the 15% trailing stop loss. This seems to be a contradiction. How to explain this?

    • @FinancialWisdom
      @FinancialWisdom  Год назад

      Hi Peter - The way they calculated the study was to take away trailing stop from the traditional stop loss to find the variance.

    • @derekwatson7037
      @derekwatson7037 6 месяцев назад

      Yes, but that does not make it the best strategy. Best would surely be 15% trailing? @@FinancialWisdom

  • @DarkBullCapital
    @DarkBullCapital Месяц назад

    good stop loss strategy. Do you have similar video that applies to futures?

  • @michaelb7829
    @michaelb7829 2 месяца назад +1

    What about setting the stop loss under the last local low according the market technique or dow theory instead of a trailing sl?

    • @FinancialWisdom
      @FinancialWisdom  2 месяца назад +2

      That would be my approach. Technical rationale

  • @williamkz
    @williamkz Год назад +1

    Very interesting. Many thanks. I tend to be a 10% man, but I'll certainly start looking at 15% - it makes more sense in a volatile market.

    • @rashidkhan-xm4rl
      @rashidkhan-xm4rl Год назад +1

      i use stoploss between 1-4 percent which allow me to get 5R-50r trades but you need to know when to be cold

    • @FinancialWisdom
      @FinancialWisdom  Год назад

      Likewise but with market structure.😉

    • @cabocloxish507
      @cabocloxish507 Год назад

      @@FinancialWisdom I assume a 20% trailing stop loss would be best in these current crypto markets

  • @jesusventura2509
    @jesusventura2509 2 месяца назад +1

    Excelente gracias

  • @yappy7788
    @yappy7788 Год назад +4

    it doesnt work for blue chips. If i had done this for my macdonalds or unp stock that i hold for retirement, i woulda lost these positions and had to come back at higher prices.

  • @Caroxxxy
    @Caroxxxy Месяц назад +1

    Will this also apply to forex markets

  • @nomcognom2332
    @nomcognom2332 Год назад

    Very insightful video.

  • @Conorallan
    @Conorallan Год назад

    I learn (and apply) so much from this channel. I am so grateful. Thank you!

  • @SkellyGamingCreates
    @SkellyGamingCreates Год назад +6

    Amazing work! Love to know what the results would’ve been based on a trailing stop of the ATR.

    • @FinancialWisdom
      @FinancialWisdom  Год назад +2

      Yes would be more meaningful

    • @cody9271
      @cody9271 Год назад

      Agreed, I'd like to see that.

    • @ewlincueto
      @ewlincueto 6 месяцев назад

      I always use ATR with trailing once it goes up a good spot above my entry. But I tend to make the ATR a bit bigger just incase

  • @MeditativeMindset
    @MeditativeMindset Год назад +1

    Great Video My friend. Keep up the good work!!🔥🔥

  • @venkataraghavan6301
    @venkataraghavan6301 Год назад

    Really lovely content

  • @delhitepawan5804
    @delhitepawan5804 Год назад

    Can you compare stoploss vs buy and sell double qty. So it will have one open position everytime. Plz see this.

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    @gagansingh-kb6gu 5 месяцев назад

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    @MrYodaOSRS Год назад +2

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      @FinancialWisdom  Год назад

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  • @dominikfrohlich6253
    @dominikfrohlich6253 2 месяца назад +4

    „based on a 3 month holding strategy“ - lol! Of course you’re always losing money buy and holding over such a short holding period. also, never buy and hold single stocks as trades. If you are a trader, trade. If you are an investor, you don’t trade, you invest based on fundamentals and research, not technical analysis.

  • @EPYCMX
    @EPYCMX 2 месяца назад

    How often was the trailing stop adjusted to actual price -10% on the study?

  • @fredatlas4396
    @fredatlas4396 11 дней назад

    If you follow a low cost passive strategy, use broad market cap weighted index funds or etfs that invest in the indexes, then a buy & hold strategy works best as investing is a long term project. There is plenty of evidence to back up this approach

  • @boblow2186
    @boblow2186 Год назад

    Thanks for a great presentation. Find the info a great help. Hope to join you on the forum soon.

  • @axelnovion4066
    @axelnovion4066 Год назад

    Question…With the static stop loss in the calculations, is the stock sold at the end of the quarter, or is the stop loss raised to the then current percentage of price?

    • @axelnovion4066
      @axelnovion4066 Год назад

      Assuming, of course, the price has gone up.

    • @FinancialWisdom
      @FinancialWisdom  Год назад

      Raised underneath the new price the next quarter

  • @ratmirsusanin5496
    @ratmirsusanin5496 7 месяцев назад

    Great content!

  • @dartek14
    @dartek14 Год назад +3

    Simply Stop Loss allows/encourages more risky purchases. The greater evaluation mental cycle gets a person to the point of purchase/investment. On the 2020 Post March 23rd crash I knew it was a Fire Sale for the biggest names in the market. So had a great run until late May where I wanted to keep my 30% profits so I entered a conservative 5.6% Stop Loss, On June 10th all my stops executed, so collectively on 8 Fire Sale investments I lost 5.6%each that's over 40% of 30%. By Mid June 6/8 ran again and surpassed where I was stopped and continued to another 20%. So it would seem set a stop after you have gained 5% then set a stop at 5.5% then 10.1 and then sit back

  • @kikilynn1167
    @kikilynn1167 Год назад

    Interesting research! Thank you for creating this video and sharing it with us. Much appreciated!

  • @smeshnoymatvey2054
    @smeshnoymatvey2054 7 месяцев назад +1

    Suppose I bought split adjusted TSLA at $2 in 2014 and used a trailing Stop Loss of 20% I would have been stopped out more than 50 times each time losing 20% of my capital.

    • @Derek_1111
      @Derek_1111 2 месяца назад

      I'm more in favor of the 60/40 rule for investing. If it's a stock you want to hold for years, then never sell more than 40% during what appears to be market highs. Always keep a core position on. Of course you can tweak these percentages to your own style. Maybe for more speculation stocks you may go 20/80 and only hold 20% as a core position. And if fundamentals of a company change you need to change your core position along with that. Possibly even selling 100% and moving that capital to a company with better fundamentals.

  • @GlebKretinin
    @GlebKretinin Год назад +3

    Was the study done on the index (sp500?) level or on random stocks (us?)? It would be nice to include a link to the study.

  • @chuankityap6160
    @chuankityap6160 Год назад +1

    Loved all your videos. I hope to see more of your videos.

  • @gobot4455
    @gobot4455 3 месяца назад

    I wonder if this would work with index funds....

  • @haplo3100
    @haplo3100 2 месяца назад +1

    But how much to sell if stock goes bellow 20% u sell everything? 😅

  • @TInyK12
    @TInyK12 Год назад +3

    Problem is, when do you exactly buy again after exiting?

    • @jbwhy5155
      @jbwhy5155 Год назад

      There are different approaches people prefer, but a good example would be waiting for a stock to truly reverse and break/hold out of its long downtrend and above the moving averages. Buy a good pullback that aligns with the new trend and stop out if it breaks. Hope that makes sense 💪

    • @FinancialWisdom
      @FinancialWisdom  Год назад

      20 week MA or channel resistance line break etc

  • @briandarr8149
    @briandarr8149 3 месяца назад +2

    I use this process, but use trailing stop losses. But I will add I do so when I feel risk is high based on factors like the Buffett indicator and the CAPE valuation. Using a large margin of safety in analysis reduces the trade…buy low and sell high. 8-15% trailing stops are the sweet spots.

  • @AM2K2
    @AM2K2 Год назад +1

    Do you use this approach just in your swing trading or in your actual 'long term' ISA investments?

    • @FinancialWisdom
      @FinancialWisdom  Год назад

      With some variation i use this for my week to week trading strategy.

    • @AM2K2
      @AM2K2 Год назад

      @@FinancialWisdom Cheers - and if you have an stocks and shares ISA, is that just passive no touch?

  • @barteveraert888
    @barteveraert888 Год назад

    what % below entry price are good to place a stop loss ?

    • @FinancialWisdom
      @FinancialWisdom  Год назад +1

      depends on your timeframe etc etc, I use weekly charts and i'm around the 9% mark on average

  • @chaudhrynomaanmand9042
    @chaudhrynomaanmand9042 Год назад

    I am fan of your channel. But please mention this stop loss research applies on some specific kind of trading. Every stop loss %age depends upon trading style.

    • @FinancialWisdom
      @FinancialWisdom  Год назад

      I dont understand sorry Chaudhry ?

    • @chaudhrynomaanmand9042
      @chaudhrynomaanmand9042 Год назад

      @@FinancialWisdom I am sorry, I could not describe it properly. First logic behind the 5% or closer stop loss is that you only need a 5.25% return to break even. If you make 15 or 20% loss then you have to make 25% back to break even.
      There is a logic behind the 5% or less stop loss as We only take those trades when 5% stop looks reasonable and when we think that all the supply is diminished. At this point if we are wrong then no need to be in the trade for 10-20% stop loss. 5% is a good stop loos to prove that I am wrong.

  • @stevesavage8784
    @stevesavage8784 3 месяца назад +1

    Trailing stops work well for locking in profit.

  • @glorgau
    @glorgau 3 месяца назад +3

    I did a buy and hold on some AAPL acquired in 2003. Actually forgot that I had it until about 2014. That turned out OK.

  • @erniekeller1093
    @erniekeller1093 Месяц назад +1

    I don't understand how you compare price gains/losses on shares you don't sell. I sold nothing in 2009, and though stocks recovered more slowly than I hoped, they recovered, and I still own them. Furthermore, my portfolio yield adds considerably to my gains. My price above cost basis from 2011 is 54%, but that's just current price.
    The point of buy and hold is that you *don't* realize losses on shares, not even during your carefully chosen 2009 end point. We don't got end points!!

  • @shawnirwin6633
    @shawnirwin6633 Год назад +3

    This could likely justify doing a study on the Trailing-Traditional percent range between 15% and 25%, somewhere between 17-23% might be even better.

  • @Smallpriest
    @Smallpriest 3 месяца назад +1

    When I first discovered trailing stop losses, I was so amazed, because it essentially allows you to benefit from the upside, while limiting your downside, the best of both worlds

  • @alanmacias5978
    @alanmacias5978 2 месяца назад

    My strategies worked better when my first premise is: If I am wrong. Where do I exit? instead of If I am right how much do I win?

  • @7425park
    @7425park 2 месяца назад +1

    “Not to mention the time capital is tied up”
    Go ahead and mention it! It is fucking important!

  • @Amitkumar-gh7wc
    @Amitkumar-gh7wc Год назад +1

    Amazing and knowledge full video, you taught a lot to beginner like me. Thanks

  • @slide4348
    @slide4348 Год назад

    Amazing video ! Thank you for your work.
    Would you please tell me where do you find your researches please ? I am interested in looking into it too !
    Thanks in advance, keep up the good work

  • @jagparuchuri7558
    @jagparuchuri7558 Год назад

    Excellent content. Thanks for posting.