50% of the horror in this case for me is how everyone ignored her husband's role in all this. He did so many things wrong and almost intentionally to antagonize her when she was already severely struggling, I mean he made her live in a van with 5 kids for christsakes. The fact he faced 0 consequences still makes my blood boil. Those babies blood is all over his hands too.
I’m thinking of ALL the blood being on HIS hands. She was straight emotionally abused when she was extremely ill. He took total advantage. She has no culpability because of her mental state. He supposed to have his head screwed on right. This is an affair of the heart. She had a good heart. His was black.
MCRtrash#1, thank you for bringing up her husband's role in this tragedy. He has moved on with his life with absolutely no consequences which is unfair. It was clear that Andrea was suffering and needed help and yet he and everyone else in her life ignored the situation and gave her no help. It's absolutely horrible what she did, but I think the tragedy could have been avoided if somebody had cared enough about her to help her.
@@lynamor2959 I agree. As I just posted, he has moved on with his life as though nothing happened. He is responsible for this tragedy as well as the others in her life who knew she was struggling and needed help and did nothing.
She kept stopping her meds because her husband wanted her to have more children. The meds that she took potentially caused birth defects. It's terrible that he ignored the psychiatrist who told them to stop having more kids.
@@cattycorner8 I couldn't agree with you more. Rusty always said that they were devout Christians and believed that Jesus wanted Christians to raise as many children as possible. Okay, I can understand that (I disagree with him, btw). But if Rusty was/is as devout as he claimed, then why was it all right to live together for 4 years before they married?! Rusty made up the rules for HIS kind of Christianity! It all benefitted him; there was no regard, respect, or caring about his wife. Christ told men to love their wives as they loved themselves and as Christ loves His Church. I am close friends of a very nice and devoutly Christian married couple. The wife is to submit to the husband in family, financial, and marital issues as is stated in the Bible. She is not in any way, shape, or form a dutiful Stepford Wife or robot. They discuss all major issues and make decisions together. They have been married about 30 years and are very happy together. If she has had a trying day, she'll often come home to find that he's cooked a delicious dinner for her and their one remaining child who still lives with them. He will grocery shop. He will surprise her with beautiful bouquets of red roses for no reason other than to express his love and appreciation for her. Her car was becoming less and less reliable and he told her that they just can't afford to buy a car at the moment, meaning a newer but used car. Unknown to her, he asked her random questions about cars and pickup trucks in general for a year. One day, she awoke to find her car gone. She thought that it had been stolen. Her husband said that they'd go to the police and file a report. At the precinct, she noticed this very lovely brand new car in their parking lot, and said that if she could have a brand new car, that would be exactly what she'd buy. Hubby dangled keys in front of her face and asked if she was okay with him buying that car for her!!! The police were in on the surprise and came out clapping for her. THAT is how a good, Christian couple should treat each other, and definitely showing her with his actions that he loves her very much. The thing about a wife submitting to her husband?? Marry a man who makes it joyful for a woman to submit. As for sex, they communicate effectively. If one or the other is too exhausted, is sick, or for another reason doesn't want intercourse, then they may just cuddle or issue a "raincheck" for another time. In this, the most intimate subject of a marriage, husbands and wives have equal say. If Rusty didn't make Andrea his fertile sex slave - in his mind, that was his right as a husband - then they may have had less children, but they would have been alive and growing up. As for my friends, they are very happy together, and watching how they interact with each other is a joy.
@@2manybooks2littletime25 I’m sorry but nobody really knows what goes on behind closed bedroom doors, especially when it comes to marriage, and wives expected to submit to husbands, and how happy, or unhappy a marriage might be. Describing this story through such rose colored glasses, definitely doesn’t convince me to any degree that a controlling husband going ahead and choosing the new family vehicle, was anything but a coverup where he got to pick out the make, model, year, and type of vehicle she/or they were going to drive around in, especially if money was so tight, as you’ve described. Personally, I would have been upset if my husband turned around and spent what little savings we may have accumulated, on a vehicle, and just said “there ya go honey, hope you like it, because you don’t have any say about it anyway!” Just sayin’
@@launabanauna8958 her husband told her that money was tight because, in actuality, he was saving money to buy her the car that she really wanted. She was thrilled when she realized that the new car was hers and hers alone! It was fully paid for, as well. Each marriage is different, just as the people in them are different. While you or someone else may have gotten angry, she didn't. Her husband handles the financial situation and she is glad that he is good with it. He assured her that they were just fine ; he invests their money well. He came up with the excuse that money was tight so that he could surprise her. But I can definitely see where, if it were 2 other people, the wife would have been furious. P. S. Her husband isn't controlling. She can come and go as she pleases. He does his fair share of the chores, and will do more if his wife is tired or sick, or if she's not. My point is that he really loves her and appreciates her. They know each other very well, so he knew exactly what car she wanted, down to the color. The car is hers; another vehicle is the family one. Do they have a perfect marriage? Of course not! Nobody does. But they take care of the love they have for each other.
@@launabanauna8958 I don't think the above story was said to be taken the way you took it.. It clearly means, that there was respect and love both ways.. And if I understood correctly, the husband was asking questions, in order to get the car she would want, not forcing "his choice" on her.
I would love a separate analysis of Rusty. He didn't ignore red flags, he ignored NYC NYE fireworks in front of his face. If memory serves me correctly, he was very intent on Andrea being released and having more children.
He was. Plus after the murder of his children; Rusty acted like he wasn't a contributing factor in what Andrea did, claiming that had she been receiving competent psychiatric care their children would still be alive today. Do I believe that Andrea was a good mother? Yes when she wasn't in a state of psychosis. There is really no evidence that would suggest Andrea was abusive towards any of the kids.
Yeah, I mean I felt bad for him, but he had that weird robotic look... I don't know, that was a long time ago but I remember thinking, what is up with this guy? What is his story? Never came out.
I was in Rusk State Hospital in February 2006 when Andrea was moved there from prison before her second trial. I learned a very important lesson to never deign to judge someone when you know nothing about the person or the situation. Andrea is one of the sweetest people I have ever known. She was pitiful, but the other women in Rusk were so kind to her and someone was with her at all times. She had gained a lot of weight from her medications and the ladies found her clothes that fit her and the sweet black girls braided her hair like theirs. She loved it. When she went to eat, she always was holding hands with one of the other girls. She was as innocent and loving as a child. I was so happy that she was found not guilty in her second trial. I have kept up with her. She is in a home with other patients. She has a job and as Dr. Grande said, she has never sought release. George Parnham, her attorney, has always been afraid that she will die by her own hand and the staff is very protective of her. I think of her often and pray that she is doing well. Rusty Yates belongs in prison.
I remember when it happened. I felt bad for her but I felt like I was the only one. Everyone I worked with seemed to hate her with a passion. I have a brother that has schizophrenia and I have seen him very sick over the years. She reminded me of him in a lot of ways and I could see that she was very sick. I am glad to hear that the ladies were kind to her and still are. Of course I grieved for her children but I always thought she didn’t know what she was doing.
@@pwallace5359 You're so right - all one had to do was be around her for a few short days and it was so obvious that she was really sick. When I would see her in line at the canteen, I would ask her how she was doing and she would always give me a hug, just like a child. I was filled with self-loathing to think I said mean things about her without knowing her, like the ignorant idiot @Saint Beezer did above. I'm sure you know how that feels to hear unkind comments about your brother, when he is no more responsible for his actions during a mental health episode than the man in the moon. I, too, was thankful that the other patients and staff were so kind and gentle to her. I never heard one person there say anything derogatory about her. Thank you for your comment!
When Andrea was convicted and sentenced to life in prison, Rusty said to the press: "She will be okay...she doesn't need much." That's all we need to know, folks.
It would be all we needed to know if she killed her husband but nope she killed her kids. She wanted rid of them she hated being a mom and didn't realize how hard and draining it is. She was depressed and wanted her kids gone, just because rusty was a shit husband doesn't mean Andrea isn't evil for what she did. She could have easily just ran away.
@@polarpop666 she was psychotic. Her basic needs as a human being and a woman and a mother were unmet, and her serious mental health crisis was back-burnered so she could mind Rusty's house and kids. She was really really sick and needed medical attention and lots of help. She got instead hyperreligious full quiver abuse.
@@polarpop666 I don't think you understand mental illness well. She thought she was 'saving' them by murdering them because they were sinful. Running away wouldn't solve the problem of them being sinful, would it?
@@polarpop666 I'm go glad someone else said it! I have a HUGE problem with Andrea waiting until she had a window of opportunity alone, after Rusty left for work and her mother-in-law hadn't yet arrived. I have a MASSIVE problem with the insistence the couple was deep into religion, to the point of cult-like craziness....but she claims to "hear the voice of Satan" and this deeply religious woman does what Satan asks of her. Yeah right. I have a GARGANTUAN problem with her calling the police right away, and especially calling Rusty to say, "I finally did it!" like she were giving him a huge F-U. Mental illness my butt. They are both disgusting and should never have been parents.
@@jessicaduque4148 I would say that while we can be understandably angry with Andrea for murdering her children; we can also have a slight amount of sympathy for her without condoning what she had done. Andrea Yates had a very potent combination of Postpartum Depression and Postpartum Psychosis. In my honest opinion; Harris County Children's Services should have stepped in and removed Noah, John, Paul and Luke from the custody of their parents and put them in the care of one of Andrea's siblings following her severe mental breakdown in the summer of 1999.
This case has always troubled me. She was totally failed by the system, the mental health community and her own spouse! What she did was horrible but how can anyone examine the facts and not feel great compassion for her? She was emotionally and psychologically abandoned by everyone. It's just incredibly sad.
I feel bad for the kids that are no longer here. They didn't get a chance to be adults and have families of their own, first graduate high school prom college live a adult life at all
@@lynettewilson7396 If a mother left her children alone with a pedophile or maniac who happened to be a family member and that person harmed the children, you'd probably blame the mom. And you'd be right. For some reason, you don't want to look at Rusty's behavior in this situation. Aren't fathers supposed to be protectors of their kids?
Never have i been able to understand the mentally ill defense, if you commit murder, you for sure have some sort of mental illness, so if that's true, every murderer is innocent. I feel bad for the dead children, not for a vicious child murderer. She deserves to die for her crimes, there is no sympathy. Just because you are mentally ill, doesn't give you a get-out-of-murder-free card. She has gone on in the years since to show NO REMORSE for murdering them, even being heard calling them nothing but trouble.
Could Rusty Yates have molested the kids and Andrea felt the kids were “ tainted?” Could she have been paralyzed in a marriage bound up by religious fear ? Being unable to leave RUSTY YATES ? He now has a new wife and kid(s) He has remained in the area and kept his same job. Andrea’s attorney may have suppressed her outcry of Rusty’s Abuse of the children because in a twisted,religious way it gave her a reason to view the kids as hopelessly,irretrivably damaged Thus giving her a reason to mercifully( psychotic) end their Damaged lives. Atty. Parnam might have known many details of OUTCRY by ANDREA From staff at Devereaux Hospital.
Their "pastor" too. He was a guru tbh, preying on and harrassing young women on University campuses, dragging this family along with him, putting these thoughts in these people's heads. If Charles Manson is responsible for putting murdering thoughts in his followers' heads, what about this man? He was spoon-feeding this satanic mambo-jambo to a depressive and vulnerable woman for years, persuading her husband that her medication was not good for her and that prayer - and THEIR weird ass religion (not Christianity, I'm talking about his particular vision of things) were the only answers!
I live in Houston and at the time I felt that Rusty was culpable-still do, actually. He KNEW Andrea was dangerous. That had arrangements for Andrea’s mother to come during the day while Rusty was at work. That morning, her mother was running late and instead of staying home with Andrea until her mother got there, he went to work and left his five children with a woman KNOWN to be a danger to herself and by extension, HIS and her children. Taking care of five young children is challenging under the best of circumstances. All of Andrea’s medical records were published at the time of the trial. She had had postpartum depression after her 4th child and was specifically told not to have any more children. She quit the medication each time at Rusty’s insistence. Fundamentalist like this believe they can pray away illness. I read those medical records and it was just terrible what she was going through. There isn’t a mean bone in her body. The worst thing that ever happened to her was meeting Rusty Yates. She loved being a nurse and was a good one. While Andrea lives in a secure mental facility, Rusty has remarried and has several more children. The only positive outcome from all this is that Harris county voters no longer vote for prosecutors who ALWAYS go for the death penalty.
From what I have heard; Rusty had only one child with his second wife Laura Arnold, but he did gain a stepson who was the product of Laura's first marriage. I heaved a sigh of relief to learn that Laura essentially realized that Rusty was trying to do to her what he had already done to Andrea and as a result filed for divorce and got out of the relationship before it was too late. I hope that no more women fall under the spell of Rusty Yates.
@@michaellovely6601 I have tried to verify what you wrote. The only thing I cannot find is that Laura Yates divorced Rusty because he was trying to do to her what he did with Andrea. It sounds very plausible. I would almost be surprised if something like that wasn’t what ended his second marriage. In one article I found, he said he would never marry again. Let’s hope so. Rusty is a religious nut job that still believes a woman is a man’s property and she must do what he wants because he is the head of the household and makes ALL decisions. My first husband was in a church like this. It drove his family nuts that I insisted on thinking for myself. My demand to have a say in major decisions is what made him decide to leave. He bought several cars and two houses without saying he was even thinking about it, much less getting my input. I moved into a house he had already bought without me ever even seeing it. This was LEGAL at the time, 1965-1973. It seems to me like the GOP is trying very hard to erode women’s rights. The idea of Roe v Wade being overturned is absolutely terrifying. Andrea Yates’ life would have been so much better if she had been allowed to use birth control and the right to an abortion without her husband’s consent if the thought of another child was more than she could cope with. Especially with a husband like Rusty. She would possibly be a grandmother today if she had had only one more two and they had been spaced much further apart. Five children in six years! Religious nuts are trying to determine what children can and cannot read in PUBLIC schools. This is a SECULAR country that does not endorse any religion, much less endorsing and presumably enforcing very restrictive social mores. Except, now, abortion may soon be banned and that ban enforced in most places. In Texas giving children gender affirming treatment is being called child abuse and the Governor has ordered CPS to investigate those parents. These same people go nuts at the idea of Muslims getting enough power to force Sharia law on the US. The only difference between Sharia law and the Biblical law some evangelical Christians profess is that the dress codes would be much less restrictive-at first. I am a religious person myself, but I do not think I have the right to tell anyone what they should believe and how they should live their lives.
Yeah, when I heard that they periodically took knives from the home when she was having her worst episodes, I was shocked and actually yelled at the t.v. "In what universe would it be totally cool to leave 5 small children alone with someone like that?!" She was so wrapped up in delusion and intense fundamentalist teachings that she thought the only way to save their souls was to kill them before they could commit terrible sins and risk their places in heaven. I've been around folks who think this way; hell, I was raised fundamentalist myself (and devoured those stupid Chick Tracts because that was pretty much the only books that were mine in the house). I was so worried about sinning and going to hell that I hoped the Rapture would come before I graduated high school and I'd get to heaven, since the odds of me "going wrong" would increase as I became an adult and went out in the world (yes, that's how I was thinking about it). As I began to read and question--and got away from those teachings entirely--those things I feared felt stupid and I just began to try and live my life. Some things I learned still affect me, but I just keep trying to improve. The fundamentalist bubble--whichever version you're in--has it's own bizarre rules. Her thinking about killing her kids to save them in the long run sounds ridiculous to most of us, but with what she was taught, it was logical to her.
Her husband holds some culpability imo. He continued to insist they have children even though she was EXTREMELY ill and very much so after her births. Andrea Yates fits the description of legal insanity. As much as I hate what she did, I also have sympathy for her. She is truly ill. My mom had severe situational depression followed by an episode of catatonic depression that lasted for at least a month and I can’t even begin to explain how awful, scary, and sad it was. My family fortunately had the funds for her to get the best help and she’s been fine for over 30 years now.
@@merricat3025 Agreed, most. I have always believed he should be in prison. Many laws were changed after this concerning parental responsibility. He goes by Rowdy Yates for his next marriage; hope he saw this wife as more than a subservient beeder. He is certainly no Clint Eastwood, a very faulty "Rowdy Yates".
Rusty holds ALL culpability IMO. Andrea's brain and rational thought had been reduced to oatmeal. He was driving that train all the way to the station!
The fact that he was told not to leave her alone with the kids, as she was a danger to them, and did it anyway makes him completely responsible for what happened. He ignored all of her mental health issues.
@@mirandahopkins3676 Religious indoctrination and manipulation! She had no voice. She was so sick that she shouldn’t have been given a choice about receiving help.
@@mwillis7791 I agree that she was manipulated and even brain washed. Still she had a brain for all those years before she was married! She knew it was wrong!
@@mirandahopkins3676 That’s not true nor how it works. People that suffer from psychosis do not believe or realize anything is wrong. Her husband KNEW she suicidal, hallucinating and completely disconnected from reality. HE also didn’t want her on meds because they caused birth defects and HE wanted more children. How do you not blame the person who knowingly left child with a person in crisis? She is a prime example of how the system in this country is broken. Edit: My daughter and I are writing her a letter. I don’t care if she ever responds, but I want her to know she deserve(d) better, she deserves a life.
Dr Grande, I'd be very interested in your analysis of Yates' husband Rusty. He seemed like an exceptionally controlling and manipulative individual. What part did HE play in the tragedy?
Andrea Yates was openly being abused by a husband who used religion to protect himself as the abuser - he literally and successfully hid his abuse of her behind an image of religious committment, and got away with it. She was at the mercy of her controlling and abusive husband who had his own agenda, at the expense of her and the children's wellbeing. She had no escape from him, and analysing this tragedy without recognising her husband's personality is a huge disservice to both Andrea and the children. Dr Grande, I think you missed a huge part of the actuality of this case by not analysing the husband. Also, did Andrea come from a family in which she experienced abuse, leaving her vulnerable to an abusive relationship? This woman was in a dreadful situation. Her mental health suffered due to the situation she was in, and yet it is her actions that are focussed upon instead of WHY did she act in this way. There is much MUCH more to this story.
Do a video on Rusty and the Dumb, corrupt courts , lawyers, Judges, psychopath psychologist of Harris county Courts. Who abuse women And children coming forward Proclaiming abuse from family Member. Texas is a white male Supremacy state.
He was the cause of her Problems. He knew her Diagnosis and ignored it. He should have received Prison time. But he got Away with it in dumb squat Harris county court. In California , Massachusetts, Vermont, . More educated System would have caught This way before the children Were murdered. But with The yee haws , judges, Court quack Docs, and Texas being a third world Country inside USA. Look At the result.
He was not delusional at all. Like you said Susanna y, he was selfish. He put his sexual desires above his wife's mental health. No one that loves their partner would do that. The doctors told him she should not have more children. I hope his present wife does not share the same fate.
had she never married him, continued working maintaining her own independence, she might have received help with her condition and have been a "normal" functioning, contributing adult..
Mia bear And with all those children they had bible study at their house 3 nights each week. Sounds like the reasoning she used to decide to murder her children was directly related to their religious teachings.
From day one, my heart has been with this woman. I cant imagine how she felt and what led to this tragedy. She was failed on so many levels, by so many individuals and agencies. So, so, so sad.
And where was your god? Why didn't he avoid this? If she was ill then she didn't have free will, so god would not break his "rule" of not taking action against free will, he could have done something to save the children... and he didn't and she did killings due to religious ideas. You are a very low value human, my friend, congrats
Thank you for giving Andrea Yates a voice through your analysis. I dont understand how her ex husband is walking this earth a free man (he started a new family) while she was mentally broken and used by him as much as possible - until she did something he totally could have seen coming.
@@AntoDesormeaux For all those concerned; Rusty's second wife Laura Arnold realized that Rusty was trying to do to her what he had already done to Andrea and as a result filed for divorce and got out of the relationship before it was too late.
She chased her last child down cause he walked in on her killing Mary and asked what was going on. He ran away and she chased him down and forced him into the bathtub and held him down. She deserved the death penalty the amount of fear that child felt in the last moments of his life...justice will never be served in this case.
@@edsondosreis1568 In 2015; Rusty's second wife Laura Arnold realized that he was trying to do to her what he had already done to Andrea and as a result filed for divorce and got out of the relationship before it was too late. Fortunately for all those concerned; Rusty only had one biological child with Laura but he gained a stepchild from Laura's previous marriage. Andrea is no longer psychotic and has since been diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. She mostly spends her days watching home movies of herself and her family from "Happy times" and designing crafts and aprons which she sells anonymously to raise money for the Yates Children Memorial Fund. This charity was established by Andrea's attorney George Parnham and his wife and it campaigns for Postpartum mental health screenings.
I always thought Rusty had something to do with it. He pushed her to have more kids when he knew she had breakdowns. He didn't even put the children in school so she could have a break! Made her homeschool all the time, and living in a bus sounds like a nightmare.
Plus; Rusty Yates was working as a Civil Engineer for NASA, so he had the financial means of being able to buy a house for his family. Aside from buying the house; Rusty should have considered the idea of hiring a housekeeper and a nanny to help out Andrea with the housecleaning and caring for the kids along with putting the two older children in a private Christian school as a means of maintaining their religious beliefs but also allowing their eldest children to socialize and make friends.
You are so right. Any parent needs a break now and then. Parenting os stressful and especially so many and living in a damn bus. Rusty should have been charged, at minimum, with neglect and failure to protect. He was an equal cause of their deaths. If the shoe was on the other foot, and she left the children in his care, knowing he was psychotic, is their any doubt she would have been held equally responsible? I think not.
@@cieartimus766 yes there I doubt as there is no precedent for that Also, Rusty is ignorant and needful but under the law there really isn't anything to charge him with. What would you suggest the prosecutors charge? Here is the truth...he didn't k ow she was psychotic. He was a religious whacko. Christianity teaches ppl that mental illness is sin and mental Healthcare is a sham. That is the problem here.
"Her own symptoms interfered with her receiving proper care." This is a huge problem in mental health treatment still today! What can be done about it?
It is a very tricky issue. Do you take away people's freedom to decide what medicines go into their body or do you let some very sick people self destruct and possibly harm others? Right now we err on the side of freedom. Edit: But erring on the side of medicating with body damaging medication is dangerous also ...
I remember when this happened and it shook the nation. My mom being a full blown paranoid schizophrenic it really had an impact on people that were acquaintances of ours , my granny owned a daycare and one of the women didn’t want her kid coming here anymore 🙄🙄. I felt so bad for her and her children (Andrea Yates) but couldn’t resonate with it bc my mom never “turned against” her babies. In fact she became almost overly protective of me and my brother against my dad and grandparents who she thought were apart of the conspiracy against her or any of her delusions. She was actually the most loving, caring momma and thought the world of me and my brother! She clung to us for comfort in a world she perceived as dangerous and out to get her. I was so lucky to have such a loving momma for the 21 years I was able to. Sadly in 2011 the voices kept her awake all night (she believed it was satan), she wasn’t getting any sleep, the pathetic antipsychotic had no affect, and she had no lucid periods for a 4 year span! She took her life and it was a nightmare that came true for me! Still to this day, especially with my own baby being a toddler I miss her so much bc there has never been a human since that’s loved me like her!! She would have felt the same for her grandchildren!! This is such a sad case and I won’t disagree that schizophrenics and psychotic people can be dangerous to themselves and others but they definitely go through hell on earth and are severely failed by the US healthcare system!! My heart goes out to anyone that has these horrific imbalances in the brain bc I witnessed a jaw droppingly gorgeous, generous, humble mother with the most loving heart’s life be destroyed by the genetic cards that were dealt her!! I’ve heard and read it skips generations so my new fear is for my child and my brothers two kids!! I pray over and for them every day!!!
Sorry to hear your story but most people understand only a tiny minority of the mentally ill commit crimes. In fact, they are more often the victims of a crime.
@@pennybourban3712 yeah I was talking about an atmosphere around the time of this happening. Once things like this happens it affects a lot of ignorant peoples way of thinking and judgment of others. Actually schizophrenics can be very dangerous, I can admit this fully well even tho I had the sweetest mother that was one. I’ve actually been incarcerated with a lot of women that were schizophrenic and the reason being was they had been through so much trauma and had zero support system from “family”. It’s horrible how the mentally Ill are treated in this country.
I find that wacko pastor equally guilty, if not more. I hold him morally responsible for those deaths, and I think he should have been jailed instead of Andrea. People like that are very dangerous. These frothing at the mouth, fire and brimstone religious ideas should be kept well away from the ears of a schizophrenic. For someone whose mental health is already fragile, being fed this delusional model and encouraged in it is the last thing they need.
@@carmensavu5122 Those ideas should be kept far away from everyone, always. The fact that someone is strong enough mentally is no reason to subject them to toxic, abusive rhetoric and psychopathic manipulation, which are going to be destructive no matter what.
we should add "who radicalized them..." yes, the addage people use against a muslim if they commit crimes and offenses, should be equally used in this case. or the lori ryan/vallow/daybell case..
I have wondered, now that her psychosis is being treated and she realizes what she has done, does she now how episodes of severe depression? A truly heartbreaking situation all around.
I remember this case well. I felt at the time, and still feel, that she was engaged in a misguided attempt to "save them" from something. If I recall correctly she had asked for the death penalty for herself. Also, I recall her husband bouncing back fairly quickly and re-marrying.
With her previous high level of functioning as an RN, maybe if she had married a different partner and never had children her stress level would have been much less and she may have fared better psychologically. Or if she had belonged to a more normal church, her thinking might have been less distorted. Having 5 kids must have been quite stressful and totally unnecessary.
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I love Dr. Grande but felt this analysis was less than compassionate towards women with postpartum psychosis. I am glad he recognized that women with previous mental health issues are more predisposed to problems postpartum, but the part about saying no to satanic teddy bears was uncalled for. This woman suffered at the hands of many in the mental health field, her husband, and her church. Yes, her children also suffered; that's a given. Her husband should have been hanged in the town square with other women beating the crap out of him as he waited. When men have "authority" over their wives but not responsibility for caring for them, body and soul, this kind of thing can happen. Andrea had all the responsibility but none of the power. She was probably targeted because of her compliance and agreeableness by this horrible excuse for a husband, already suffered from severe depression and other things, then her husband made her have baby after baby. I am glad she is being treated humanely now and that her conviction was overturned.
The statement you made about her own symptoms interfered with her getting proper treatment hits close to home. My own son has a diagnosis of schizophrenia and for almost a year it was hell trying to get him treatment because he thought and still thinks he is perfectly fine. We finally had to get police and emt involved to escort him to treatment. Luckily he is doing relatively well and has community mental health care that checks up on him regular. It was a scary and sad time for our family. Thank you for your great educational looks into mental health.
Most people do not have any idea about real face of extreme mental illnesses and what it does to the patient and relatives. The hardship starts from lack of insight in patients and goes all the way up to this so called health care system that is as broken as hell. Mental health too has become a matter of entertainment to us. We rely on movies and TV where focus is on the detective aspect of the story, the aha moment, the magic of knowing phone book by heart, or snapping out of one personality to fall into another. Mental health professionals are extremely misrepresented in motion picture either as buffons or evil. There are only a handful of professional ones in history of Hollywood. Hope your son continues to get the compassionate care that every mental health patient deserve.
I have bipolar. When I had a manic episode, I had psychosis. I had no insight, no idea that my behaviour was not OK. It was my reality, and I believed it. I thought I was fine. Thank goodness other people got me committed to hospital.
Yeah it's difficult. I suffer from espresso and getting help is difficult for me sometimes as I believe I should die etc . It's good your son has your support.
After the birth of my 2nd baby I suffered severe post partum depression. I never had thoughts of killing my baby but my mind starting to to area of "maybe it would be better if I hadnt brought any children into this terrible world". That thought suddenly made me realise how close it could lead to infanticide. I got profressional help. This case was a factor in helping me realise the situation Inwas in.
This was such a sad case; I remember being horrified at the initial conviction when she was so clearly in desperate need of medical care. She was screaming for help and was ignored by her husband, her therapist and the whole terrible medical system in Texas. Unbelievably, when Rusty Yates was standing outside the house waiting for the children to be brought out, he was complaining that his wife wasn't a good housekeeper.
Uhm she killed her kids because she was depressed and hated being a mom, she wasn't out of touch with reality she knew what was happening made a plan, killed them one by one even chasing after the oldest one. Shes pure evil.
@@thetruthwillsetyoufree9209 Absolutely! The research is 95% of the work! You're spot on. He does an amazing job. I'm a teacher but I hold a Master's Degree in Psychology as well as Education. The ONLY case I have ever disagreed with him on was the Scott Petersen case. That's pretty good odds! You're awesome Dr. Grande! Thank you for all of your hard work.
@@RachelTriesHard I think you're right, and it makes me giggle to think he must have to change shirts between takes to give the impression they are seperate sessions. Not to mention he must be conscious of his beard lol
I've followed this case since it happened and I still think Rusty is morally responsible for the death of his children. He went on to remarry and have more kids, while Andrea remains institutionalized to this day. At University, I took a Deviant Behavior class with this AMAZING professor who holds a Ph.D. in clinical psychology and a Juris Doctorate degree, and we covered the case. Rusty didn't care that Andrea was severely ill, he just wanted to use her as an incubator. He said she was just lazy and people with depression just needed a "swift kick in the pants" to get them motivated. The doctor told him not to leave Andrea alone with the kids and intentionally told his mother, who was helping Andrea, to give her an hour alone with the kids to get her used to being a Mom again. It was during that time that she drowned the children.
@@bonnierobb9211 Rusty didn't have psychosis. Rusty didn't stop eating, start pulling out his hair, have auditory and visual hallucinations, and have PPP. Rusty was the only one who was a capable adult in that situation who chose to leave his kids with their mother, knowing she was thinking about drowning them a week before. You are so angry at Andrea, refusing to understand her mental state at the time.
@@bonnierobb9211 Andrea Had options. She could have divorced him. She could have used birth control, had a tubal ligation. Her 2 oldest children were old enough to attend public school, she could have enrolled them. Instead she chose to kill. Rusty was no prize, true, but in the end she is a spree killer.
@@bonnierobb9211 That's a long way to say "I don't understand PPP, hallucinations, delusions, or severe mental health issues." Her husband actually convinced her to stop taking her meds so he could keep knocking her up. She did want her kids, she thought she was saving them from the devil. Maybe instead of arguing with educated people on the internet, you take the time to educate yourself on the topic you're discussing. You're so angry that you're not listening to logic or reason.
I asked my doctor what the medical recommendation is for someone who has had serious postpartum depression and one of the things he said was, "No more children." He's only one person and not a psychiatrist. But apparently the Yates case caused a new turn in thinking about PD.
@@dianastvarnik697 I misspoke and thank you for correcting me. It would be wonderful if women with symptoms of ppd could be evaluated and treated before they develop psychosis. My mother was a visiting nurse and did well baby visits, which she said were as much for the mother as the baby.
Sadly, her children always seem totally overlooked in these discussions. Everyone talks or comments on Andrea Yates herself, or her husband Rusty, they talk about the system and courts and how it failed her, or his culpability. But imagine for a moment the terror, fear and panic those poor kids must of endured in their final moments. Sadly they seem to be the forgotten victims in all of this.
@berjaboy they’re forgotten because their damn dad forgot about them - people aren’t “forgetting” the children, they’re trying to make sense out of tragedy and find out how to prevent this from happening ever again. That’s a legitimate way to remember and honor victims. Why would we sit in the horror and fear, gruesomely replaying what it must have been life for so long? What a waste of grief - I choose to try and contribute to the conversation about how we prevent this from happening to other mothers and their children.
Her husband proudly told his mother-in-law shortly before the crimes that he had never changed a diaper in his life. He and the pastor, imo, are just as culpable.
@@k_a_y_l_e_e Plus; there's no evidence that would have suggested that Andrea was abusing any of the children, so they thought that the Yates children were not in any sort of danger that would warrant the Harris County Department of Children and Family Services the right to intervene.
@@michaellovely6601 Andrea's mother said she noted Andrea wasn't in her right mind when she saw Andrea force feeding solid food to Mary causing her to nearly choke. She filled the bathtub once before days leading to the final murders & she said she have had been having thoughts of killing her children for 2 years leading up to the tragedy. You see I think even if there was abuse the family must've neglected it, Texas veing Texas a few beatings or whatever went down didn't make anyone concerned. Apparently, one of the children Noah ran from his mother for his life and he was chased down. How did someone so severely psychotic really act okay with the children when unsupervised is a question that should be asked. And Dr. Saaed urged against leaving Andrea alone with the children to Rusty but that guy wanted her to be responsible and left her alone with them either way.
@@blue_sugar_falls What I meant was that after Andrea was treated for her mental health issues following her very severe mental breakdown in the summer of 1999; people said that Andrea had appeared to have gotten back to normal through her medication regiment.
Well remember this is Texas. Women and children victimized By The good old boy Husband Become victims of the good Old boy Court system if They come forward complaining of abuse even With physical, emotional, Psychological evidence And Doctors reports of Physical evidence. All this is Ignored by the nasty, ignorant, Dirty little judges that make Up the corrupt court system In Houston, Texas. Today Houston is the murder capital Of the United States. Not even Our Great Mayor, Governor Is aware of statistics. Another Igmo Good Old Boy!!
As someone who has dealt with postpartum psychosis, I would be devastated if my husband pushed another pregnancy on me. Pregnancy was great, I was rational, happy, not an ounce of depression but as soon the hormone shift after delivery my body and mind couldn't handle that sudden shift, I tried to hide how I was feeling until I attempted my own, twice, life 4 months later. the postpartum psychosis and treatment was traumatic enough. Never again for me.
Thank you. I was one of many that requested this case. It really interested me because when I worked in a Neonatal Intensive Care Unit, a baby I cared for was killed by her mother months after the baby’s discharge. What little I know about the circumstances is that the mother was given the dx of “postpartum depression”. Heartbreaking to say the least. 💔 Sadly, but not surprisingly, I didn’t know that there’s new research and the dx has since changed to Peripartum Onset. I’ve said it before...mental health training for medical personnel needs to be ramped up, focused on and factored heavily in the plan of care for all patients. More research and training on how to get people through hospitalizations without becoming completely traumatized is needed, especially for patients that spend a lot of time in any Intensive Care Unit. Sometimes people seem like they’re literally “losing their mind” when they have to endure long hospitalizations and/or life-long chronic illnesses. We can keep people alive but what good is that if they’re not mentally able to handle the burdens that comes with illness and disease? PS: “Society” also needs to be a tad more understanding of people with these burdens. (end of rant 😜🤷🏼♀️)
This was an incredibly tragic case, and I don’t think Andrea was of sound mind when she did that to her children. I think she loved her kids but acted while psychotic, depressed, hormonal from postpartum hormones, and on/off meds. She also had religious cult-like beliefs that added guilt and shame. It’s a terrible tragedy all around, but most of all for the kids.
Lady Cheyne he left his children in harm’s way. There is no way I’d leave my kids with a mentally unstable partner who you know has harmed themselves and also had known thoughts of killing the kids!
Omg! YES!! He sickens me. It is just as much his fault. (Plus what he put her through. Living in a bus at one point, heavy religious control, homeschooling all the kids, and then another baby when the doctor told them no way!- this would be way too much stress for any woman.) Why wasn’t he charged????
I absolutely love Dr. Grande's perspective, insight and delivery on addressing these various cases. Very informative and underrated RUclips Channel. Thank you for all of your research and analyzing.
I think the only real thing that can be done for Andrea Yates is life in a mental institution; either that or the death penalty. This is not something she can put behind herself. What life could she possibly live after what she has done? Rusty and his religion are also certainly to blame, but in Andrea's case I think it's best that she is never released into normal society again.
In the UK it is a legal defence for a woman who kills her child shortly after birth that it is postpartum psychosis. As I understand it, this is what Andrea Yates suffered from in a previous pregnancy. She and her husband were warned about this and told a further pregnancy could cause issues. They decided to have another child anyway.
@@nancyjones6780 Right-wing, male totally dominant religions are known to have little or no concern for the man's sex-slave and baby incubator. I am male myself, but these people and the MRAs give normal, egalitarian, caring men a bad name.
I'm reminded of the behaviour of one of my mother's brothers. I remember hearing her speak very scathingly of him. He had many children, I think at least six, and in my mother's words "He kept getting her pregnant knowing that as soon as she was pregnant she'd go off her rocker and she'd have to go to the secure ward, so he'd be able to dump his existing kids on Mum. {>>my grandmother} and have a batchelor's life for months until the new baby arrived and they all came home" For context I heard this about fifty years ago, they lived in rural Queensland, Australia, near what then counted as a major town, with a country hospital about two hours drive. My mother also on other occasions said her parents were Christian Scientists, so they wouldn't have welcomed medical "interference". Therefore I've wondered if as well as a post partum psychosis it's possible to repeatedly suffer from a pregnancy psychosis. I assume it is, given the many changes to hormones and emotions that occur during pregnancy(specifically, repeated unwelcomed pregnancies with an unsympathetic husband and extended family) specially fifty or sixty years ago Of course, given what I know of my mother's family, it wouldn't surprise me to find out the pregnancies were welcomed because my aunt got to go on what must have seemed like a holiday, with meals cooked, laundry done, no kids or husband to bother about! On a serious note, from the first time I heard of Andrea's case I felt Ol' Rusty should have been at least on trial with her, maybe even as the more guilty party. He wasn't a stupid man, iirc his profession was an academic one of some sort. Andrea was very intelligent and intellectually curious and she was able to work in a physically, mentally, emotionally demanding profession as a Registered Nurse. She knew she shouldn't have more pregnancies but he over-ruled her every time despite strict medical advice. He deliberately left her alone with the children after having been explicitly told not to do so. He's far more guilty of the children's deaths than she was.
Too often, children’s mental health is ignored if they are excelling academically. I was one of those who was the least of adult’s concerns because they assumed giftedness meant I had an advantage in life, despite many indicators of need in other areas. This story is a great reminder that kids need attention their physical and mental health, and continuing support, to have a chance in life. We have come a long way, in the last few decades, in this understanding. Many thanks to people like Dr. Grande, for bringing awareness to mental health issues!
I lived in Houston when this happened. I'd hear people say she should get life or execution, and I'd say "Only if her husband gets life as well." That man was pure evil. Rusty remarried before her second trial and we all said, "Poor woman! She's got a rough revelation coming up." She later filed for divorce.
5 children, her husband wanted to sire More offspring than an Aberdeen Angus, He should wear a rosette behind his ear, he knew she had problems with her mental state, but his sex life was more important, he has a lot to answer for!
@@davidabest7195 I think the point they're trying to make if a little badly was that he just wanted loads of children with no regard for their safety or well being as he was happily leaving them along with a wife clearly in dire need of proper medical care. So when they say his sex life was more important I'm assuming they just mean having kids was more important. although the yeah AND? Is not really a very intelligent reply I'll try. Anyway have a good holidays.
I’ve been waiting for someone to cover this. This was one of the first major cases I remember seeing on the daily news as a child. It’s interesting to look back on my understanding of these events as an adult.
What stops me from fully sympathizing with Andrea Yates is how methodical and coherent she was in the planning and the execution of the murders. The very planning shocks me - if it was planned was it not premeditated murder? Maybe not all forms of psychosis result in disorganized and violent outbursts. I see yet another moral in her story though - STOP the pressure on women to become mothers at any cost. Andrea was spiraling down with each new pregnancy further throwing her into the pit of mental illness yet her husband thought that putting more load on her unstable shoulders is what would magically cure her.
One of the most disturbing cases, a mother systematically murdering her 5 beautiful children. Given she was a danger to herself, was it not considered she could also be a danger to her children? The system failed those poor innocent kids.
They knew she was a danger to them. IIRC, she had spoken of "sending them to God," before they committed sins that would damn them to Hell for eternity. Her husband and her mother were trading off, making sure one of them was always with her, to protect the children. At the time of the killings, they were leaving her alone with them for an hour or two, so that she would "fulfill her duties" as a mother. I've always thought the husband should have faced charges, too.
Her HUSBAND FAILED HER AND HE FAILED THEIR CHILDREN AS WELL. HE USED RELIGION TO ABUSE HER AND SENTENCED HER TO YEARS OF PREGNANCY AND A PASSEL OF CHILDREN TO CARE FOR AT THE SAME TIME. LIVING IN A TRAILER.....A BUS.......AND FINALLY A HOUSE. HES A MONSTER.
This case it's close to home . My sister had bipolar w/ episodes of psychosis, which became worse with each pregnancy, she attempted suicide, was hospitalized on several occasions, Drs advised her husband not to have any more children , he said he just wouldn't have sex with her, refused to get a vasectomy, what an a** ! Luckily she never hurt her children like Andrea , but they divorced and he got full custody. Was a very sad situation. We just lost her in December. She had a very rough life !
As always, Dr. Grande provides an outstanding and illuminating analysis. There are many facts about this case that I was not aware of. Just having had a baby several months ago myself I am acutely aware of perinatal mental health. Just before conceiving my baby, like Yates, I suffered a miscarriage, which was truly devastating mentally, physically, and emotionally. Many people assume that once a baby is born, the mother just goes back to being her normal self, but the postpartum period is perhaps one of the most difficult experiences that many women will endure. You're exhausted mentally, physically, emotionally - and then everyone expects that you just bounce back. As experienced during pregnancy, hormones are still at play, and for me, I did not feel like myself until several months after giving birth. Many women, like myself, who have experienced trauma, also have to deal with reliving or re-experiencing it, whether family, partner, or sexually-related. For some women, the birth process itself is both physically and mentally traumatic. Fortunately for me, although I've experienced much trauma and depression, my symptoms improved after giving birth. And today there are many mechanisms in place in the medical system to screen and intervene to help women with perinatal depression. While I have never experienced psychosis, I can empathize with what Andrea Yates must have endued. We as a society do not support women in general in the perinatal phase - just look at our family and medical leave situation in the United States. Women need to be listened to. They need to be taken seriously. Hormones are REAL. And mothers need SUPPORT! Thank you Dr. Grande for bringing this to light, and I hope the discussion on perinatal mental health is something that you will continue to speak on and widen the discussion of.
“How to ridicule logic and convict” as a court pamphlet - that’s part of a series on rejecting reason and logic while working on behalf of the bureaucracy, is it not? this is the first of your videos I’ve watched, and appreciate your clear explanations of social, cultural, and legal factors that seemed to influence both her treatment history prior to the crimes, as well as the outcomes during her trial and incarceration. I’m a lay person, but have a strong interest in psychiatry (for personal reasons but also simply because I find people interesting, and their stories emotionally gripping) - your videos and explanations are ideal for someone like me; your deadpan sarcasm and the dryly humorous bits are a bonus! Thank you for taking the time to post these thoughtful videos that represent current consensus from experts in mental/behavioral health - my hope is that media such as your videos will help dispel misconceptions and reduce taboos that cause great harm to the mentally ill - and our society in general.
Thanks for sharing Dr.G, things are not as black and white as they appear. I didn’t understand her actions as a teenager at the time. As a grown woman, mom and daughter of a lovely mom who happens to have schizophrenia... I see things differently. My mom had a hard time until she found support and suitable meds. She carries much guilt for her actions to this day. A mother’s guilt is haunting.
I stand with you 100%, just say no to satanic teddy bears! Seriously, this case has always fascinated me. I feel like there were many opportunities for a different outcome that were missed. I feel sorry for the rest of the family that lost the children, but I feel sorry for Andrea, too. Rusty? I think he played a huge part in this, in a negative way. I am sure he didn't want to lose his children, but he placed no importance on her mental health at all. I am religious, too, but I still listen to my physicians. Rusty wasn't some dumb guy, either. His education was not in a mental health discipline, but he should have known better. I am always amazed at the people who willingly replace someone else's thoughts, teachings, judgement above their own just because that person is thumping a Bible. This case is heartbreaking for everyone involved.
I recall an episode of 20/20 where she went to her OBGYN after the birth of her last child. She was aware that she was suffering post partum depression with psychosis. This particular doctor told literally told her to suck it up and use her mind to get rid of the depression. Holy crap. That angered me to no end.
I was so confused when he started talking about the teddy bears, mostly because he said it in his same even tone with no real hint to being comedic. Of course that had the direct effect of making it even funnier when I realized he wasn't being entirely serious.
Teddy bears being linked with delusional thinking was an interesting aspect of this video, I had no idea that it was so common. Thanks for another fascinating video.
Does anybody remember Teddy Rupskin?? He was a teddy bear that read stories to kids. He was really popular in the mid 80s and he cost like $60-70. He could blink his eyes and maybe turn his neck?? Maybe that is where the satanic teddy bear idea comes from.
As a clinical psychologist Dr Grande's discussions come as a welcome reprieve from the usual pseudo-psychological analyses. I thoroughly enjoy the content, ethical and clinical considerations. Thank you!
"No Teddy bear collection is complete without a satanic teddy bear ". Love it! Andrea Yates husband and mental health professionals failed her drastically. They should also be held accountable. This Dietz character I can't even comment on him.
I have been interested in this case for years now. It still bothers me that Rusty has not been held accountable in any way for this tragedy. Andrea is just as much a victim as the kids. She needed help and he was supposed to be a source of support for her. Now he has remarried and has other children, while Andrea is in a mental institution.
Yes, he remarried in 2006, so he apparently brushed off the tragedy of loosing his entire life quite quickly and has one son. He has declared that he and Andrea no longer lived AS HUSBAND AND WIFE since the day of the murders.... Probably that is all that matters to him... Someone that fulfills her wifely duties. Mind you that Amdrea was in prison when he married again, she had not yet been sent to the institution she is in now.
It's official: After binge watching Dr. Grande videos, I am addicted. Although I am not diagnosing myself, just speculating and wondering what he will post tomorrow.
There were so many factors playing into this that it's hard to just blame Andrea for what Andrea did. But the case seems to show that her religious leader is complicit, too. If Charles Manson and David Koresh were guilty, then he should be, too. I think it's likely she wouldn't have killed her kids without that religio-fascist misogynist pounding away at her mentally. I despise all religions and their thought policing, but his particular brand is really galling to me. And then there's the wonderful healthcare system in the USA... Personally, I'd rather believe the teddy bear did it than to know what I know of failed mental healthcare systems in the U.S.. Terribly sad material today, doctor. Thank you for bashing Park Dietz a bit. I never could endure him and his huge mistake on this, but only because he's so arrogant. Gotta run. Teddy bears are fighting over the Swiss army knife. 😊 Thank you, Dr Grande! 👍🌹
Well to be fair he had a cult like mentality..very common with Mormonism, Jehovah Witness's, Catholicism, megachurches, prosperity preachers, etc..which is they pervert, twist, lie and make up aspects that, surprise surprise, make them appear more superior..they like the notion of themselves being deities..Christian faith debunks alot of their ridiculousness, if not all of it..Christianity and religion are not the same thing..the New Testament actually says it is better for an *adult* to tie a millstone around their neck and drown themselves than hurt a child, lead them astray, misguide them..that's why you can't just listen to someone bc they sound good..I went into clinical psychology with such respect of their knowledge and dedication..after a couple of years I came to realize *MANY* are toxic narcissist's with a god complex, like many of these religious leaders..but so are alot of lawyer's, doctor's and politician's..I'm not saying every single one is bad..I had a child psychologist mentor that was one of the most tenderhearted, caring and understanding individuals, of any in his field..he was extremely thoughtful and humble too..I think every field of any kind of work has disgusting people..when there's power to be had, ego, manipulation and corruption will ALWAYS linger..tough hurdle to get around..sad but true =/ and on a side note, a *teddy* *bear* knocked me unconscious 25yrs ago..sure it was my friend that hit me with it in the head, but nontheless the teddy bear knocked me unconscious and I woke up with my head cut open and blood gushing everywhere..turns out the teddy bear had a small ceramic nose..I took a direct hit to the temple..I straight up still have a dime sized scar..what's even more crazy is that this event doesn't even make the top 100 weirdest things that have ever happened to me in my life..I also have a feeling that I'll die in some extremely bizarre incident..like accidentally inhaling a daffodil and dying..LoL..I have the right personality to laugh at these things =) just thought I'd share my crazy teddy bear story =) God bless
@@thecassandraeffectvsperilo6754 Jesus was, if he existed, a religious leader/guru. He is the founder of Christianity which condones slavery (Ephesians 6:5-7and again repeated in Colossians). And yet people still follow Christianity by the hoards. There are many variations of it, but the Bible is the widely accepted version of its tenet laws. So...
@@elisamastromarino7123 wow, ya just gonna skip over the homicidal teddy bear story? LoL..well many many Atheistic scholars agree Jesus did indeed exist..in the recent past they even found documentation in China of them acknowledging His existence, even mentioning He was the Son of God, dated back in the first century..it's also really interesting to see what science now backs up that's Biblical..they found documents in Jordan made from men recording constellations nightly, that recorded fire falling on Sodom and Gomorrah..when you reverse the time according to the constellation documentation it matches within the date in the Bible..specific tiny ornaments Jewish priest's wore (that people argued never existed) were found in Israel the past year or so..it's really interesting what all is supported now that was contested for a long time..and as far as Ephesians goes Ephesians 6:1-24 () Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;) That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth. And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him. Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak. But that ye also may know my affairs, and how I do, Tychicus, a beloved brother and faithful minister in the Lord, shall make known to you all things: Whom I have sent unto you for the same purpose, that ye might know our affairs, and that he might comfort your hearts. Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen. And you got out of that entire text Jesus loved slavery?? Really? The point was whoever you were, follow the teachings of love, no matter the circumstances..we were given a Supernatural arsenal, which it also goes in to..keep in mind Jesus taught to turn the other cheek and forgive, not just when it's easy..throughout history every gender, creed, race, has been a slave at one time..look into what the Jews endured in Egypt and for how long..God stressed patience and did deliver them out of bondage..He didn't give a thumbs up for the Jews to attempt to beat the crap out of them..not to mention the fact human trafficking runs rampant today, but human's are not responsible for this? Every country supports some kind of modern day slavery, TODAY..are you currently pursuing justice with your government or do you just skip over that while paying taxes to help said government? When God gave free will to mankind that meant 2 things 1) some will choose right 2) some will choose wrong Would you have preferred to be made a robot with no free will, no drive, no say in anything..no choice of love, family, enlightened experiences..love has to do with choice, family same thing, and there would be no place for enlightened experiences because you're a robot, which would deem it totally unnecessary..do you think people follow Christianity because they were like, "ya, slavery, I want a piece of that!"? When you choose to pick only a few verses (which most don't understand even the ones they choose) it's the equivalent of reading a couple of soliloquies from Hamlet and then attempting to teach a college class on all the works of Shakespeare..accountability is ours, hence free will..people still buy clothing made by children..you know for sure you don't own any? Also keep in mind according to the Encyclopedia of Wars, religion has not been the main perpetrator of war..it states only 8% of wars have been religious in nature and ⅔ of that 8% were Islamic wars..the other 92% of wars were secular wars..wars like the World War 1, political..World War 2, political..Vietnam war, Korean war, nothing to do with religion but politics and land..and you know who the greatest killers of war are, atheists..you've got Pol Pot, Mao, Lenin and Stalin, responsible for 100 million deaths through atheistic communism..but ultimately the problem is not communism or religion *BUT* mankind itself..something to think about =) God bless
@@thecassandraeffectvsperilo6754 Wow. That's riddled with logical fallacies and cherry picked ideas. I have no time to school you about Christianity, how many atheist historians don't believe Jesus existed nor how free will is an illusion, so maybe we should leave it at this. 😆
Avalanche I agree, Andrea should have been hospitalized. I don’t feel her husband cared about her at all, knowing she was ill and continued having more children....those poor babies ....their father is equally responsible for their deaths.
Andrea is still living in a mental institution. However; Andrea is no longer psychotic and has since been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. She mostly spends her days watching home movies of herself and her family from "Happy times" and raising money for the Yates Children Memorial Fund.
When this happened, I was about a year out- and still recovering- from significant postpartum depression. What happened is terrible, all the more so because it could have been prevented. At the time, I was horrified by the deaths of the children but I could not condemn Andrea because I knew that she had not received the care and treatment that she and her family desperately needed. I felt then and I feel now that her husband failed her and his children. He knew she was struggling and did not insist on getting care for her but rather continued to push his own agenda. He, as well as Dr Saiid with his “happy thoughts” treatment plan, have a substantial degree of culpability in this terrible terrible situation.
Thank you so much for your analysis. As a perinatal mental health certified registered nurse who has witnessed postpartum psychosis, and has been learning from survivors for years, this is a wonderful way to get the word out. Our systems need to do better and thankfully, with a maternal mental health hotline about to go live this spring, our dream is to prevent this from happening again. I hold you in such high regard. Thank you. Thank you.
At the time the system let her down, her health insurance didn’t allowed her to be long term admitted. They released her knowing full well she was a danger for herself and to others. At that time, I remember her husband saying he needs to work and the best place for her was the hospital, under supervision. Even her meds probably didn’t set in yet when she left the hospital. She was unstable at the time, the hospital wiped under the rug their deeds at the time. Such a shame, and still happens to this day, with or whiteout health insurance.
I wish you would have discussed Rusty's behavior in this case. He was clearly abusive and extremely neglectful and his absence/lack of care for his family definitely attributed to her psychotic breakdown. Truly one of the most tragic and disturbing cases out there. ps - that bit about the teddy bears is gold
I had really severe episodes of psychosis when I was 11 through till I was in my early adulthood and I remember in my teen years I had the weird teddy bear delusions, it started when I was a small child with compulsive behaviours like having to give them all a kiss goodnight and if I missed one or thought I'd missed one I'd have to repeat it over and over again until I'd got it right and later in my teens this tranformed into my believing a teddy bear was watching me, was demonic and I was scared to do anything or even look at it I was terrified to upset the teddy bear. I couldn't be anywhere near dolls, I'm still creeped out by realistic dolls and mannequins and statues although I don't have any magical thinking about them anymore. They just creep me the fuck out, I used to have horrible hallucinations of a life sized ventriloquist dummy clown that would sit in my office chair and chatter it's teeth at me at night. Ive been totally psychosis free now for about five years due to good medication and reduction in triggers although I'm terrified of ever ever coming off my medication even though it has horrible side effects. Psychosis is so so fucking horrible and I'm so glad I'm healthy now. It turned out I had bipolar although again I've not had a manic episode since 2016.
She was in a church that was a borderline cult, with a husband that clearly couldn't be bothered to be concerned about her mental health, and extended family that didn't know how to help her. What she did was horrible, but also preventable and nobody did a thing.
Dr. Grande! "The popular court pamphlet on how to ridicule logic and convict in three different steps! " was priceless. You are a MASTER at understatement! Ain't it the truth!
Hi have been watching your videos and it's really great content, really like the tone and consistent approach. My favourite part is the always present snarky comments, the deliverance is just to brilliant.
Wow Dr Grande’s long-awaited speculation on my fav of all time Park Dietz ! His interview with the Ice Man/Dahmer is riveting. He is reportedly very embarrassed about this error in the Yates trial. Like it’s it’s his one big career failure. In my opinion Rusty ultimately bears some moral responsibility for the awful event. Andrea was on the down slide for some time & should not have been left alone with the children. She clearly was in a fragile mindstate & not fit to be in charge of all the children alone.
Totally, the husband should've been help responsable, instead of helping his clearly ill wife, he moved them into a bus and kept making her have children a,d leaving her alone.
I remember this case and while it was happening someone asked me if I was in favor of the death penalty. I said I wasn't and got asked why. I replied: "Do you know the amount of people with mental illness convicted and being executed?" The person replied: "I didn't thought about that could happen..."
Unbelievable! I'm terrified about the genetic aspect of mental illness. One of the reasons that made me give up on have kids is the fact that my brother-in-law has schizophrenia. Thanks for the video, Dr. Grande!
"Think positive thoughts"?!! That’s only slightly more encouraging psychological advice than saying to a majorly depressive patient "Cheer up!" or "Pull yourself together!"🧐🤦🏻♀️ I’ve always had great sympathy for Andrea Yates. This was a truly awful tragedy where the media & especially the prosecution were so massively concerned with being seen to punish the killer of just so many defenceless children, that they _completely_ lost sight of the complexity & severity of Andrea Yates’ clearly well-documented mental illness history & the extreme depth of her psychosis at the time of the drownings. Plus the false & damaging testimony given by Park Dietz was totally unforgivable. However, I shall mostly remember this episode for truly epic quotes like: *"Although no Teddy Bear collection is complete without the Satanic Teddy bear, it is quite understandable why many people exclude this one from their collection!", "MacGyver Teddy Bears with advanced technical skills"* & finally the absolutely _amazing_ sentence: *"Just say no to Satanic Teddy Bears!"😈🧸😳😬* ...Sage advice indeed!
I had an appointment with my doctor to talk about my depression and her husband appeared for the visit. He was a doctor at same clinic but I had not made apt with him but wanted female doctor. He actually told me when I was describing my childhood abuse, asked me "why can't you just get over it?" He was from Iran and I don't think there is much sympathy for abused in that culture.
@@tundrellaCat68 I notice in myself, but also in others, that empathy from others goes a long way towards helping someone in emotional pain heal. If I tell someone about the traumatic experiences that have caused me emotional pain I still struggle with and that person dismisses it, I lash out. If someone even only acknowledges that I have a real problem, I calm down. I've seen the same thing over and over again in others (I won't go into the specifics here). I can only imagine that a culture which has no empathy for emotional pain and dismisses it can lead to a a very unpleasant situation.
My mother died in September, then I had to put two pets to sleep, then my sister died in April while I was laid off and dealing (like all of us) with the virus. My two best buds and the people who I could always talk about things to are gone. Still can't wrap my head around it. Then I went back to work and found out that the company had been hit by ransomware and all of the tools I needed to do my job were gone. After mentioning to someone that I was feeling kind of sad because of all the things that happened, but was working my way through it, I received an email from the person telling me that I needed to smile. Wow. Yep, who knew that with all of the things that I was feeling and experiencing, the issue was that I was not smiling. Nuttiest thing that anyone ever advised me to do. The equivalent of "Cheer up!" or "Get over it", I guess. Yeh, I'll work on that. :o) Nope, didn't help.
One of the creepier aspects of this tragedy, is that Chad Yates would remarry shortly after divorcing her, conducting the ceremony at the home where his 5 children were killed. Who tf does that?
New subscriber here, and I’ve been binge-watching for a couple of days now. I truly appreciate your insightful observations and unbiased remarks, but I have to say, your sense of humor is also what keeps me coming back. Your delivery is impeccable, and I always look forward to it. Wen you mentioned Steven Wright as one of your favorite comedians, and referenced Woody Allen, I was not surprised in the least, lol! Perhaps another topic for review could be about children who have killed other children, or even the psychopathology of school shooters. Keep up the good work!
I used to work corrections at the county level and am wondering about a possible contributing factor. A number of female inmates would complain about depression, however almost none of them had ever had a full endocrine work up. Is it possible that a severe hormone imbalance played a role in this woman's condition?
You, sir, are a treasure. I have learned so much in these past few weeks since I discovered your channel. I admire your ability to present these tragic topics with respect, compassion, knowledge, logic, and wit. Reasonable voices are a rare commodity--at least they seem to be rarely amplified in the media space--so it is refreshing to listen to you and to read the sometimes insightful comments of your regular viewers. (Considering that the comment section is often the place where happiness goes to die, I find that this, too, is refreshing.) You think out your words before you speak and it shows. I admire that. I think we can use more of that careful deliberation in the world. May all be free from suffering.
I'm from Texas and was at the time mother to a young daughter. I too felt that he was to blame and just wanted more babies. Later to find out that most of the blame rested in the mental health "business." I had worked in an inpatient, mental, private hospital and got to see first hand the power that business office manager had. Bottom line won EVERY TIME over patient welfare. Russell tried to keep her hospitalized but her insurance benefits had run out. The max benefits for mental health, at the time, were very reduced compared to medical benefits. The doctors (psychiatrists) declared she was in remission and was being discharged. This didn't happen just once. Andrea Yates was a very sick young mother. Of course, the doctor could not predict the horrible tragedy that would unfold. If he COULD NOT get the approval of the director or Business office, a recommendation could have been made for a temporary stay at a government (in this case state) hospital. There were system failures. I am very glad when insurances started paying more benefits for mental and substance abuse illness. It was a huge tragedy, for all involved.
Bless you for doing this analysis of Andrea Yates. From the onset of this case my thoughts were that she was completely overwhelmed by her domineering husband and who treated her, IMHO, like a brood mare. What she did was horrendous, but the treatment she received by everyone involved in her case was even more horrendous! No wonder she doesn’t ask for release when her hearing comes up. What a silent statement that makes to Harris Co that she would rather be incarcerated than released. ( I am a native Texan and lived for a few years in Friendswood which is near Clear Lake City where I believe the incident occurred.)
Hi Dr. Grande! Good video as usual. I lived in Houston for a number of years and followed this case quite closely. It seemed obvious from her medical records that Andrea was not mentally sound. I couldn't believe it when the jury convicted her of murder, and I'm very happy she got a second chance at an insanity defense. Thanks again for the video!
i really feel bad for her. she wanted and asked for help. everyone just ignored it. my heart goes out to her, and to her children. gutwrenching. thank you again, and stay well
50% of the horror in this case for me is how everyone ignored her husband's role in all this. He did so many things wrong and almost intentionally to antagonize her when she was already severely struggling, I mean he made her live in a van with 5 kids for christsakes. The fact he faced 0 consequences still makes my blood boil. Those babies blood is all over his hands too.
I’m thinking of ALL the blood being on HIS hands. She was straight emotionally abused when she was extremely ill. He took total advantage. She has no culpability because of her mental state. He supposed to have his head screwed on right. This is an affair of the heart. She had a good heart. His was black.
Yeah and it's REALLY scary that he could remarry and something similar happening totally would be in the realm of possibility.
Welcome to America. Men aren't held accountable in these situations.
MCRtrash#1, thank you for bringing up her husband's role in this tragedy. He has moved on with his life with absolutely no consequences which is unfair. It was clear that Andrea was suffering and needed help and yet he and everyone else in her life ignored the situation and gave her no help. It's absolutely horrible what she did, but I think the tragedy could have been avoided if somebody had cared enough about her to help her.
@@lynamor2959 I agree. As I just posted, he has moved on with his life as though nothing happened. He is responsible for this tragedy as well as the others in her life who knew she was struggling and needed help and did nothing.
She kept stopping her meds because her husband wanted her to have more children. The meds that she took potentially caused birth defects. It's terrible that he ignored the psychiatrist who told them to stop having more kids.
The husband is responsible as far as I am concerned.
@@cattycorner8 I couldn't agree with you more. Rusty always said that they were devout Christians and believed that Jesus wanted Christians to raise as many children as possible. Okay, I can understand that (I disagree with him, btw). But if Rusty was/is as devout as he claimed, then why was it all right to live together for 4 years before they married?! Rusty made up the rules for HIS kind of Christianity! It all benefitted him; there was no regard, respect, or caring about his wife. Christ told men to love their wives as they loved themselves and as Christ loves His Church. I am close friends of a very nice and devoutly Christian married couple. The wife is to submit to the husband in family, financial, and marital issues as is stated in the Bible. She is not in any way, shape, or form a dutiful Stepford Wife or robot. They discuss all major issues and make decisions together. They have been married about 30 years and are very happy together. If she has had a trying day, she'll often come home to find that he's cooked a delicious dinner for her and their one remaining child who still lives with them. He will grocery shop. He will surprise her with beautiful bouquets of red roses for no reason other than to express his love and appreciation for her. Her car was becoming less and less reliable and he told her that they just can't afford to buy a car at the moment, meaning a newer but used car. Unknown to her, he asked her random questions about cars and pickup trucks in general for a year.
One day, she awoke to find her car gone. She thought that it had been stolen. Her husband said that they'd go to the police and file a report. At the precinct, she noticed this very lovely brand new car in their parking lot, and said that if she could have a brand new car, that would be exactly what she'd buy.
Hubby dangled keys in front of her face and asked if she was okay with him buying that car for her!!! The police were in on the surprise and came out clapping for her.
THAT is how a good, Christian couple should treat each other, and definitely showing her with his actions that he loves her very much. The thing about a wife submitting to her husband?? Marry a man who makes it joyful for a woman to submit. As for sex, they communicate effectively. If one or the other is too exhausted, is sick, or for another reason doesn't want intercourse, then they may just cuddle or issue a "raincheck" for another time. In this, the most intimate subject of a marriage, husbands and wives have equal say.
If Rusty didn't make Andrea his fertile sex slave - in his mind, that was his right as a husband - then they may have had less children, but they would have been alive and growing up. As for my friends, they are very happy together, and watching how they interact with each other is a joy.
@@2manybooks2littletime25
I’m sorry but nobody really knows what goes on behind closed bedroom doors, especially when it comes to marriage, and wives expected to submit to husbands, and how happy, or unhappy a marriage might be. Describing this story through such rose colored glasses, definitely doesn’t convince me to any degree that a controlling husband going ahead and choosing the new family vehicle, was anything but a coverup where he got to pick out the make, model, year, and type of vehicle she/or they were going to drive around in, especially if money was so tight, as you’ve described.
Personally, I would have been upset if my husband turned around and spent what little savings we may have accumulated, on a vehicle, and just said “there ya go honey, hope you like it, because you don’t have any say about it anyway!”
Just sayin’
@@launabanauna8958 her husband told her that money was tight because, in actuality, he was saving money to buy her the car that she really wanted. She was thrilled when she realized that the new car was hers and hers alone! It was fully paid for, as well.
Each marriage is different, just as the people in them are different. While you or someone else may have gotten angry, she didn't. Her husband handles the financial situation and she is glad that he is good with it. He assured her that they were just fine ; he invests their money well. He came up with the excuse that money was tight so that he could surprise her. But I can definitely see where, if it were 2 other people, the wife would have been furious.
P. S. Her husband isn't controlling. She can come and go as she pleases. He does his fair share of the chores, and will do more if his wife is tired or sick, or if she's not. My point is that he really loves her and appreciates her. They know each other very well, so he knew exactly what car she wanted, down to the color. The car is hers; another vehicle is the family one. Do they have a perfect marriage? Of course not! Nobody does. But they take care of the love they have for each other.
@@launabanauna8958 I don't think the above story was said to be taken the way you took it.. It clearly means, that there was respect and love both ways.. And if I understood correctly, the husband was asking questions, in order to get the car she would want, not forcing "his choice" on her.
I would love a separate analysis of Rusty. He didn't ignore red flags, he ignored NYC NYE fireworks in front of his face. If memory serves me correctly, he was very intent on Andrea being released and having more children.
He was. Plus after the murder of his children; Rusty acted like he wasn't a contributing factor in what Andrea did, claiming that had she been receiving competent psychiatric care their children would still be alive today. Do I believe that Andrea was a good mother? Yes when she wasn't in a state of psychosis. There is really no evidence that would suggest Andrea was abusive towards any of the kids.
I LOVE the fireworks analogy! It is spot on.
Yeah, I mean I felt bad for him, but he had that weird robotic look... I don't know, that was a long time ago but I remember thinking, what is up with this guy? What is his story? Never came out.
He's definitely a narcissist, and perhaps a full-blown sociopath.
He remarried. Probably breeding again
I was in Rusk State Hospital in February 2006 when Andrea was moved there from prison before her second trial. I learned a very important lesson to never deign to judge someone when you know nothing about the person or the situation. Andrea is one of the sweetest people I have ever known. She was pitiful, but the other women in Rusk were so kind to her and someone was with her at all times. She had gained a lot of weight from her medications and the ladies found her clothes that fit her and the sweet black girls braided her hair like theirs. She loved it. When she went to eat, she always was holding hands with one of the other girls. She was as innocent and loving as a child. I was so happy that she was found not guilty in her second trial. I have kept up with her. She is in a home with other patients. She has a job and as Dr. Grande said, she has never sought release. George Parnham, her attorney, has always been afraid that she will die by her own hand and the staff is very protective of her. I think of her often and pray that she is doing well. Rusty Yates belongs in prison.
ya she was really sweet as she was holding her kids under the water as they struggled.
@@mcchickenmuhchicken Saint Nothing.
I remember when it happened. I felt bad for her but I felt like I was the only one. Everyone I worked with seemed to hate her with a passion. I have a brother that has schizophrenia and I have seen him very sick over the years. She reminded me of him in a lot of ways and I could see that she was very sick. I am glad to hear that the ladies were kind to her and still are. Of course I grieved for her children but I always thought she didn’t know what she was doing.
@@pwallace5359 You're so right - all one had to do was be around her for a few short days and it was so obvious that she was really sick. When I would see her in line at the canteen, I would ask her how she was doing and she would always give me a hug, just like a child. I was filled with self-loathing to think I said mean things about her without knowing her, like the ignorant idiot @Saint Beezer did above. I'm sure you know how that feels to hear unkind comments about your brother, when he is no more responsible for his actions during a mental health episode than the man in the moon. I, too, was thankful that the other patients and staff were so kind and gentle to her. I never heard one person there say anything derogatory about her. Thank you for your comment!
@@festivelady826 wow very interesting glad you had compassion in your heart❤️
When Andrea was convicted and sentenced to life in prison, Rusty said to the press: "She will be okay...she doesn't need much." That's all we need to know, folks.
He took care of only his own needs.
It would be all we needed to know if she killed her husband but nope she killed her kids. She wanted rid of them she hated being a mom and didn't realize how hard and draining it is. She was depressed and wanted her kids gone, just because rusty was a shit husband doesn't mean Andrea isn't evil for what she did. She could have easily just ran away.
@@polarpop666 she was psychotic. Her basic needs as a human being and a woman and a mother were unmet, and her serious mental health crisis was back-burnered so she could mind Rusty's house and kids. She was really really sick and needed medical attention and lots of help. She got instead hyperreligious full quiver abuse.
@@polarpop666 I don't think you understand mental illness well. She thought she was 'saving' them by murdering them because they were sinful. Running away wouldn't solve the problem of them being sinful, would it?
@@polarpop666 I'm go glad someone else said it! I have a HUGE problem with Andrea waiting until she had a window of opportunity alone, after Rusty left for work and her mother-in-law hadn't yet arrived. I have a MASSIVE problem with the insistence the couple was deep into religion, to the point of cult-like craziness....but she claims to "hear the voice of Satan" and this deeply religious woman does what Satan asks of her. Yeah right. I have a GARGANTUAN problem with her calling the police right away, and especially calling Rusty to say, "I finally did it!" like she were giving him a huge F-U. Mental illness my butt. They are both disgusting and should never have been parents.
Andrea Yates case is the saddest I have ever read about. She had a long history of severe mental illness and the whole system failed her.
Her husband failed her more than anyone.
@@merricat3025 I just came to say that
@@jessicaduque4148 And therein lies the dichotomy...good question only you can answer personally.
@@jessicaduque4148 I would say that while we can be understandably angry with Andrea for murdering her children; we can also have a slight amount of sympathy for her without condoning what she had done. Andrea Yates had a very potent combination of Postpartum Depression and Postpartum Psychosis. In my honest opinion; Harris County Children's Services should have stepped in and removed Noah, John, Paul and Luke from the custody of their parents and put them in the care of one of Andrea's siblings following her severe mental breakdown in the summer of 1999.
@@merricat3025 . I agree. Her husband did fail her.totally
This was one case where you didn’t need a psychology degree to know this lady was insane. Such a horrible story. 😢
This case has always troubled me. She was totally failed by the system, the mental health community and her own spouse! What she did was horrible but how can anyone examine the facts and not feel great compassion for her? She was emotionally and psychologically abandoned by everyone. It's just incredibly sad.
I feel bad for the kids that are no longer here. They didn't get a chance to be adults and have families of their own, first graduate high school prom college live a adult life at all
@@lynettewilson7396 If a mother left her children alone with a pedophile or maniac who happened to be a family member and that person harmed the children, you'd probably blame the mom. And you'd be right. For some reason, you don't want to look at Rusty's behavior in this situation. Aren't fathers supposed to be protectors of their kids?
@@flopster7009 EXACTLY THANK YOU!! The guy had a pregnant kink that's all he cared about
Never have i been able to understand the mentally ill defense, if you commit murder, you for sure have some sort of mental illness, so if that's true, every murderer is innocent. I feel bad for the dead children, not for a vicious child murderer. She deserves to die for her crimes, there is no sympathy. Just because you are mentally ill, doesn't give you a get-out-of-murder-free card. She has gone on in the years since to show NO REMORSE for murdering them, even being heard calling them nothing but trouble.
The system did not fail her,her husband did
This is one of the saddest events that has ever happened.
😥😥😥
Ugh ya
This one I'll always remember as a FAILURE OF THE SYSTEM
Could Rusty Yates have molested the kids and Andrea felt the kids were “ tainted?” Could she have been paralyzed in a marriage bound up by religious fear ? Being unable to leave RUSTY YATES ?
He now has a new wife and kid(s)
He has remained in the area and kept his same job.
Andrea’s attorney may have suppressed her outcry of Rusty’s
Abuse of the children because in a twisted,religious way it gave her a reason to view the kids as hopelessly,irretrivably damaged
Thus giving her a reason to mercifully( psychotic) end their
Damaged lives.
Atty. Parnam might have known many details of OUTCRY by ANDREA
From staff at Devereaux Hospital.
Amen
Her husband afterwards kept insisting on wanting to have more children with her despite killing her children. He is equally culpable
Exactly He left her alone with the kids when she hadn’t bathed or eaten in days
Their "pastor" too. He was a guru tbh, preying on and harrassing young women on University campuses, dragging this family along with him, putting these thoughts in these people's heads. If Charles Manson is responsible for putting murdering thoughts in his followers' heads, what about this man? He was spoon-feeding this satanic mambo-jambo to a depressive and vulnerable woman for years, persuading her husband that her medication was not good for her and that prayer - and THEIR weird ass religion (not Christianity, I'm talking about his particular vision of things) were the only answers!
I agree.
True.
The religion they followed was very culty. That and fragile mental health are a terrible mixture.
I live in Houston and at the time I felt that Rusty was culpable-still do, actually. He KNEW Andrea was dangerous. That had arrangements for Andrea’s mother to come during the day while Rusty was at work. That morning, her mother was running late and instead of staying home with Andrea until her mother got there, he went to work and left his five children with a woman KNOWN to be a danger to herself and by extension, HIS and her children. Taking care of five young children is challenging under the best of circumstances.
All of Andrea’s medical records were published at the time of the trial. She had had postpartum depression after her 4th child and was specifically told not to have any more children. She quit the medication each time at Rusty’s insistence. Fundamentalist like this believe they can pray away illness. I read those medical records and it was just terrible what she was going through. There isn’t a mean bone in her body.
The worst thing that ever happened to her was meeting Rusty Yates. She loved being a nurse and was a good one. While Andrea lives in a secure mental facility, Rusty has remarried and has several more children.
The only positive outcome from all this is that Harris county voters no longer vote for prosecutors who ALWAYS go for the death penalty.
From what I have heard; Rusty had only one child with his second wife Laura Arnold, but he did gain a stepson who was the product of Laura's first marriage. I heaved a sigh of relief to learn that Laura essentially realized that Rusty was trying to do to her what he had already done to Andrea and as a result filed for divorce and got out of the relationship before it was too late. I hope that no more women fall under the spell of Rusty Yates.
@@michaellovely6601 I have tried to verify what you wrote. The only thing I cannot find is that Laura Yates divorced Rusty because he was trying to do to her what he did with Andrea. It sounds very plausible. I would almost be surprised if something like that wasn’t what ended his second marriage. In one article I found, he said he would never marry again. Let’s hope so. Rusty is a religious nut job that still believes a woman is a man’s property and she must do what he wants because he is the head of the household and makes ALL decisions.
My first husband was in a church like this. It drove his family nuts that I insisted on thinking for myself. My demand to have a say in major decisions is what made him decide to leave. He bought several cars and two houses without saying he was even thinking about it, much less getting my input. I moved into a house he had already bought without me ever even seeing it. This was LEGAL at the time, 1965-1973.
It seems to me like the GOP is trying very hard to erode women’s rights. The idea of Roe v Wade being overturned is absolutely terrifying. Andrea Yates’ life would have been so much better if she had been allowed to use birth control and the right to an abortion without her husband’s consent if the thought of another child was more than she could cope with. Especially with a husband like Rusty. She would possibly be a grandmother today if she had had only one more two and they had been spaced much further apart. Five children in six years!
Religious nuts are trying to determine what children can and cannot read in PUBLIC schools. This is a SECULAR country that does not endorse any religion, much less endorsing and presumably enforcing very restrictive social mores. Except, now, abortion may soon be banned and that ban enforced in most places. In Texas giving children gender affirming treatment is being called child abuse and the Governor has ordered CPS to investigate those parents. These same people go nuts at the idea of Muslims getting enough power to force Sharia law on the US. The only difference between Sharia law and the Biblical law some evangelical Christians profess is that the dress codes would be much less restrictive-at first. I am a religious person myself, but I do not think I have the right to tell anyone what they should believe and how they should live their lives.
Forshaken, the hidden baby shaker
Yeah, when I heard that they periodically took knives from the home when she was having her worst episodes, I was shocked and actually yelled at the t.v. "In what universe would it be totally cool to leave 5 small children alone with someone like that?!"
She was so wrapped up in delusion and intense fundamentalist teachings that she thought the only way to save their souls was to kill them before they could commit terrible sins and risk their places in heaven. I've been around folks who think this way; hell, I was raised fundamentalist myself (and devoured those stupid Chick Tracts because that was pretty much the only books that were mine in the house). I was so worried about sinning and going to hell that I hoped the Rapture would come before I graduated high school and I'd get to heaven, since the odds of me "going wrong" would increase as I became an adult and went out in the world (yes, that's how I was thinking about it). As I began to read and question--and got away from those teachings entirely--those things I feared felt stupid and I just began to try and live my life. Some things I learned still affect me, but I just keep trying to improve.
The fundamentalist bubble--whichever version you're in--has it's own bizarre rules. Her thinking about killing her kids to save them in the long run sounds ridiculous to most of us, but with what she was taught, it was logical to her.
Thank you for your very sensitive and caring discussion of one of the saddest cases I have ever known about.
Her husband holds some culpability imo. He continued to insist they have children even though she was EXTREMELY ill and very much so after her births. Andrea Yates fits the description of legal insanity. As much as I hate what she did, I also have sympathy for her. She is truly ill. My mom had severe situational depression followed by an episode of catatonic depression that lasted for at least a month and I can’t even begin to explain how awful, scary, and sad it was. My family fortunately had the funds for her to get the best help and she’s been fine for over 30 years now.
Some, I would say most
@@merricat3025 Agreed, most. I have always believed he should be in prison. Many laws were changed after this concerning parental responsibility.
He goes by Rowdy Yates for his next marriage; hope he saw this wife as more than a subservient beeder. He is certainly no Clint Eastwood, a very faulty "Rowdy Yates".
Rusty holds ALL culpability IMO. Andrea's brain and rational thought had been reduced to oatmeal. He was driving that train all the way to the station!
The fact that he was told not to leave her alone with the kids, as she was a danger to them, and did it anyway makes him completely responsible for what happened. He ignored all of her mental health issues.
@CarlyKpdx poor woman!
The lady was/is so incredibly ill. This whole case is absolutely heartbreaking. She needed so much more help than what she was given or allowed.
I do feel sad for her but she wouldn't take the help
@@mirandahopkins3676 Religious indoctrination and manipulation! She had no voice. She was so sick that she shouldn’t have been given a choice about receiving help.
@@mwillis7791 I agree that she was manipulated and even brain washed. Still she had a brain for all those years before she was married! She knew it was wrong!
Yes, so tragic. She needed help so badly.
@@mirandahopkins3676 That’s not true nor how it works. People that suffer from psychosis do not believe or realize anything is wrong. Her husband KNEW she suicidal, hallucinating and completely disconnected from reality.
HE also didn’t want her on meds because they caused birth defects and HE wanted more children.
How do you not blame the person who knowingly left child with a person in crisis?
She is a prime example of how the system in this country is broken.
Edit: My daughter and I are writing her a letter. I don’t care if she ever responds, but I want her to know she deserve(d) better, she deserves a life.
Dr Grande, I'd be very interested in your analysis of Yates' husband Rusty. He seemed like an exceptionally controlling and manipulative individual. What part did HE play in the tragedy?
Hes a psychopath , your welcome
She is such a tragic case - I feel for her - she needed help long before the murders
Sorry for her.. that's so wonderful, humanity has reached the point where morals are really nonexistent, thanks to religion and dump people
Andrea Yates was openly being abused by a husband who used religion to protect himself as the abuser - he literally and successfully hid his abuse of her behind an image of religious committment, and got away with it. She was at the mercy of her controlling and abusive husband who had his own agenda, at the expense of her and the children's wellbeing. She had no escape from him, and analysing this tragedy without recognising her husband's personality is a huge disservice to both Andrea and the children.
Dr Grande, I think you missed a huge part of the actuality of this case by not analysing the husband. Also, did Andrea come from a family in which she experienced abuse, leaving her vulnerable to an abusive relationship? This woman was in a dreadful situation. Her mental health suffered due to the situation she was in, and yet it is her actions that are focussed upon instead of WHY did she act in this way. There is much MUCH more to this story.
I agree, do a video on Rusty.
I heard Andrea was an Excellent
Nurse. Kind and conscientious. Rusty is a monster that did
Not take care of his wife or
Children.
Do a video on Rusty and the
Dumb, corrupt courts , lawyers,
Judges, psychopath psychologist of Harris county
Courts. Who abuse women
And children coming forward
Proclaiming abuse from family
Member. Texas is a white male
Supremacy state.
Beyond T: you would make an
Excellent witness for these
Victims. Excellent analogy.!!
You need a special place on
UTube. 🙏 Thanks
Agreed
Her husband would have been her greatest advocate. He failed big time because of his selfish and self delusional desires.
@@loca8048 Yes.
He was the cause of her
Problems. He knew her
Diagnosis and ignored it.
He should have received
Prison time. But he got
Away with it in dumb squat
Harris county court. In
California , Massachusetts,
Vermont, . More educated
System would have caught
This way before the children
Were murdered. But with
The yee haws , judges,
Court quack Docs, and
Texas being a third world
Country inside USA. Look
At the result.
He was not delusional at all. Like you said Susanna y, he was selfish. He put his sexual desires above his wife's mental health. No one that loves their partner would do that. The doctors told him she should not have more children. I hope his present wife does not share the same fate.
had she never married him, continued working maintaining her own independence, she might have received help with her condition and have been a "normal" functioning, contributing adult..
@@marshamcdonald1475 The state of TX doesn't mean anything so shut up.
Nothing like crazy evangelical religion to exacerbate someone with mental illness.
Mia bear And with all those children they had bible study at their house 3 nights each week. Sounds like the reasoning she used to decide to murder her children was directly related to their religious teachings.
From day one, my heart has been with this woman. I cant imagine how she felt and what led to this tragedy. She was failed on so many levels, by so many individuals and agencies. So, so, so sad.
And where was your god? Why didn't he avoid this? If she was ill then she didn't have free will, so god would not break his "rule" of not taking action against free will, he could have done something to save the children... and he didn't and she did killings due to religious ideas. You are a very low value human, my friend, congrats
Thank you for giving Andrea Yates a voice through your analysis. I dont understand how her ex husband is walking this earth a free man (he started a new family) while she was mentally broken and used by him as much as possible - until she did something he totally could have seen coming.
oh my goodness. So he found a new baby machine. Great.
@@AntoDesormeaux For all those concerned; Rusty's second wife Laura Arnold realized that Rusty was trying to do to her what he had already done to Andrea and as a result filed for divorce and got out of the relationship before it was too late.
@@michaellovely6601 good!
She chased her last child down cause he walked in on her killing Mary and asked what was going on. He ran away and she chased him down and forced him into the bathtub and held him down. She deserved the death penalty the amount of fear that child felt in the last moments of his life...justice will never be served in this case.
@@edsondosreis1568 In 2015; Rusty's second wife Laura Arnold realized that he was trying to do to her what he had already done to Andrea and as a result filed for divorce and got out of the relationship before it was too late. Fortunately for all those concerned; Rusty only had one biological child with Laura but he gained a stepchild from Laura's previous marriage. Andrea is no longer psychotic and has since been diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. She mostly spends her days watching home movies of herself and her family from "Happy times" and designing crafts and aprons which she sells anonymously to raise money for the Yates Children Memorial Fund. This charity was established by Andrea's attorney George Parnham and his wife and it campaigns for Postpartum mental health screenings.
I always thought Rusty had something to do with it. He pushed her to have more kids when he knew she had breakdowns. He didn't even put the children in school so she could have a break! Made her homeschool all the time, and living in a bus sounds like a nightmare.
Plus; Rusty Yates was working as a Civil Engineer for NASA, so he had the financial means of being able to buy a house for his family. Aside from buying the house; Rusty should have considered the idea of hiring a housekeeper and a nanny to help out Andrea with the housecleaning and caring for the kids along with putting the two older children in a private Christian school as a means of maintaining their religious beliefs but also allowing their eldest children to socialize and make friends.
He is a creep abuser. He's the real monster here not her ,she was a victim in my opinion
Absolutely horrible man!
You are so right. Any parent needs a break now and then. Parenting os stressful and especially so many and living in a damn bus. Rusty should have been charged, at minimum, with neglect and failure to protect. He was an equal cause of their deaths. If the shoe was on the other foot, and she left the children in his care, knowing he was psychotic, is their any doubt she would have been held equally responsible? I think not.
@@cieartimus766 yes there I doubt as there is no precedent for that
Also, Rusty is ignorant and needful but under the law there really isn't anything to charge him with. What would you suggest the prosecutors charge? Here is the truth...he didn't k ow she was psychotic. He was a religious whacko. Christianity teaches ppl that mental illness is sin and mental Healthcare is a sham. That is the problem here.
"Her own symptoms interfered with her receiving proper care." This is a huge problem in mental health treatment still today! What can be done about it?
It is a very tricky issue. Do you take away people's freedom to decide what medicines go into their body or do you let some very sick people self destruct and possibly harm others? Right now we err on the side of freedom.
Edit: But erring on the side of medicating with body damaging medication is dangerous also ...
I remember when this happened and it shook the nation. My mom being a full blown paranoid schizophrenic it really had an impact on people that were acquaintances of ours , my granny owned a daycare and one of the women didn’t want her kid coming here anymore 🙄🙄. I felt so bad for her and her children (Andrea Yates) but couldn’t resonate with it bc my mom never “turned against” her babies. In fact she became almost overly protective of me and my brother against my dad and grandparents who she thought were apart of the conspiracy against her or any of her delusions. She was actually the most loving, caring momma and thought the world of me and my brother! She clung to us for comfort in a world she perceived as dangerous and out to get her. I was so lucky to have such a loving momma for the 21 years I was able to. Sadly in 2011 the voices kept her awake all night (she believed it was satan), she wasn’t getting any sleep, the pathetic antipsychotic had no affect, and she had no lucid periods for a 4 year span! She took her life and it was a nightmare that came true for me! Still to this day, especially with my own baby being a toddler I miss her so much bc there has never been a human since that’s loved me like her!! She would have felt the same for her grandchildren!!
This is such a sad case and I won’t disagree that schizophrenics and psychotic people can be dangerous to themselves and others but they definitely go through hell on earth and are severely failed by the US healthcare system!! My heart goes out to anyone that has these horrific imbalances in the brain bc I witnessed a jaw droppingly gorgeous, generous, humble mother with the most loving heart’s life be destroyed by the genetic cards that were dealt her!!
I’ve heard and read it skips generations so my new fear is for my child and my brothers two kids!! I pray over and for them every day!!!
Sorry to hear your story but most people understand only a tiny minority of the mentally ill commit crimes. In fact, they are more often the victims of a crime.
@@pennybourban3712 yeah I was talking about an atmosphere around the time of this happening. Once things like this happens it affects a lot of ignorant peoples way of thinking and judgment of others. Actually schizophrenics can be very dangerous, I can admit this fully well even tho I had the sweetest mother that was one. I’ve actually been incarcerated with a lot of women that were schizophrenic and the reason being was they had been through so much trauma and had zero support system from “family”. It’s horrible how the mentally Ill are treated in this country.
Insurance companies don’t have a good record for covering complex mental health illnesses.
Or CPS!!!!
Her hubbie is more guilty than she is. He KNEW what was going on with her and still wanted her to be a baby machine.
And he refused to get her help with the children once they were born and he knew she was in a terrible state.
I find that wacko pastor equally guilty, if not more. I hold him morally responsible for those deaths, and I think he should have been jailed instead of Andrea. People like that are very dangerous. These frothing at the mouth, fire and brimstone religious ideas should be kept well away from the ears of a schizophrenic. For someone whose mental health is already fragile, being fed this delusional model and encouraged in it is the last thing they need.
@@carmensavu5122 Those ideas should be kept far away from everyone, always. The fact that someone is strong enough mentally is no reason to subject them to toxic, abusive rhetoric and psychopathic manipulation, which are going to be destructive no matter what.
Carmen Savu both! Or at least get stuck in a mental hospital but what about the kids ! They are the real victims
we should add "who radicalized them..." yes, the addage people use against a muslim if they commit crimes and offenses, should be equally used in this case. or the lori ryan/vallow/daybell case..
I often wonder how devastated a person is after they recover from a psychotic episode and realize they've committed an atrocity.
I have wondered, now that her psychosis is being treated and she realizes what she has done, does she now how episodes of severe depression? A truly heartbreaking situation all around.
I remember this case well. I felt at the time, and still feel, that she was engaged in a misguided attempt to "save them" from something. If I recall correctly she had asked for the death penalty for herself. Also, I recall her husband bouncing back fairly quickly and re-marrying.
This lady was honestly out of her mind. Her husband should be ashamed of himself, he pretty much ignored doctors orders and kept getting her pregnant.
The irony that he later remarried and had more kids🤦🏾♀️
With her previous high level of functioning as an RN, maybe if she had married a different partner and never had children her stress level would have been much less and she may have fared better psychologically. Or if she had belonged to a more normal church, her thinking might have been less distorted. Having 5 kids must have been quite stressful and totally unnecessary.
Yes, or maybe if she only had a couple of kids without a kooky husband she would be fine. She was a good mother overall before she decompensated.
Any relation to THE Evelyn Waugh?
@@bethberry2293 Sadly no, one just doesn't use one's actual identity on social media🙄.
Harris county court system
Is a horror. It sits in Houston
Texas medical Center and
Hires quack Doctors that
Are barred from the medical
Center due to their incompetence to comment
On these sad cases. Harris
County court system is
A white male archaic dirty
Brutal , ignorant system.
Dangerous to children,
Teens, women suffering
From abuse at the hands
Of a wealthy ,dirty,white
Male. Battered women,
Young people, Children
Will only be abused again
In this joke of court system.
Run by white male supremacy
Culture.
@@marshamcdonald1475 Exactly!
I love Dr. Grande but felt this analysis was less than compassionate towards women with postpartum psychosis. I am glad he recognized that women with previous mental health issues are more predisposed to problems postpartum, but the part about saying no to satanic teddy bears was uncalled for. This woman suffered at the hands of many in the mental health field, her husband, and her church. Yes, her children also suffered; that's a given. Her husband should have been hanged in the town square with other women beating the crap out of him as he waited.
When men have "authority" over their wives but not responsibility for caring for them, body and soul, this kind of thing can happen. Andrea had all the responsibility but none of the power. She was probably targeted because of her compliance and agreeableness by this horrible excuse for a husband, already suffered from severe depression and other things, then her husband made her have baby after baby. I am glad she is being treated humanely now and that her conviction was overturned.
I remember what a tragedy this was. She was let down at every level and this was the result.
The statement you made about her own symptoms interfered with her getting proper treatment hits close to home. My own son has a diagnosis of schizophrenia and for almost a year it was hell trying to get him treatment because he thought and still thinks he is perfectly fine. We finally had to get police and emt involved to escort him to treatment. Luckily he is doing relatively well and has community mental health care that checks up on him regular. It was a scary and sad time for our family. Thank you for your great educational looks into mental health.
M Wall Love and Hugs.
Most people do not have any idea about real face of extreme mental illnesses and what it does to the patient and relatives. The hardship starts from lack of insight in patients and goes all the way up to this so called health care system that is as broken as hell. Mental health too has become a matter of entertainment to us. We rely on movies and TV where focus is on the detective aspect of the story, the aha moment, the magic of knowing phone book by heart, or snapping out of one personality to fall into another. Mental health professionals are extremely misrepresented in motion picture either as buffons or evil. There are only a handful of professional ones in history of Hollywood. Hope your son continues to get the compassionate care that every mental health patient deserve.
I have bipolar. When I had a manic episode, I had psychosis. I had no insight, no idea that my behaviour was not OK. It was my reality, and I believed it. I thought I was fine. Thank goodness other people got me committed to hospital.
Yeah it's difficult. I suffer from espresso and getting help is difficult for me sometimes as I believe I should die etc . It's good your son has your support.
It was Jackie Paper
After the birth of my 2nd baby I suffered severe post partum depression. I never had thoughts of killing my baby but my mind starting to to area of "maybe it would be better if I hadnt brought any children into this terrible world". That thought suddenly made me realise how close it could lead to infanticide. I got profressional help. This case was a factor in helping me realise the situation Inwas in.
Good for you recognizing the symptoms and doing something about them. Well done!
Her case is one of the most tragic stories I've ever learned about.
This was such a sad case; I remember being horrified at the initial conviction when she was so clearly in desperate need of medical care. She was screaming for help and was ignored by her husband, her therapist and the whole terrible medical system in Texas. Unbelievably, when Rusty Yates was standing outside the house waiting for the children to be brought out, he was complaining that his wife wasn't a good housekeeper.
He's more embarrassed of having a little bit of a messy house, when he should be embarrassed that he contributed to the deaths of his children.
Uhm she killed her kids because she was depressed and hated being a mom, she wasn't out of touch with reality she knew what was happening made a plan, killed them one by one even chasing after the oldest one. Shes pure evil.
this man does not sleep I swear! we appreciate your content though, thanks so much ❣️
"Real gangsta-ass niggas don't sleep"
Boys, Geto
(1995)
I would imagine he films them all in a couple days and then schedules the posts for each day.
@@thetruthwillsetyoufree9209 Absolutely! The research is 95% of the work! You're spot on. He does an amazing job. I'm a teacher but I hold a Master's Degree in Psychology as well as Education. The ONLY case I have ever disagreed with him on was the Scott Petersen case. That's pretty good odds! You're awesome Dr. Grande! Thank you for all of your hard work.
@@RachelTriesHard I think you're right, and it makes me giggle to think he must have to change shirts between takes to give the impression they are seperate sessions. Not to mention he must be conscious of his beard lol
Well, who can sleep with the Satanic Beelzebuild-a-Bear watching you from the shadows?
I've followed this case since it happened and I still think Rusty is morally responsible for the death of his children. He went on to remarry and have more kids, while Andrea remains institutionalized to this day. At University, I took a Deviant Behavior class with this AMAZING professor who holds a Ph.D. in clinical psychology and a Juris Doctorate degree, and we covered the case. Rusty didn't care that Andrea was severely ill, he just wanted to use her as an incubator. He said she was just lazy and people with depression just needed a "swift kick in the pants" to get them motivated. The doctor told him not to leave Andrea alone with the kids and intentionally told his mother, who was helping Andrea, to give her an hour alone with the kids to get her used to being a Mom again. It was during that time that she drowned the children.
It is sooooo much worse than I am free to say
As a woman I can say that now we're in the 21st century I would have run the other way had I seen him coming
@@bonnierobb9211 Rusty didn't have psychosis. Rusty didn't stop eating, start pulling out his hair, have auditory and visual hallucinations, and have PPP. Rusty was the only one who was a capable adult in that situation who chose to leave his kids with their mother, knowing she was thinking about drowning them a week before. You are so angry at Andrea, refusing to understand her mental state at the time.
@@bonnierobb9211 Andrea Had options. She could have divorced him. She could have used birth control, had a tubal ligation. Her 2 oldest children were old enough to attend public school, she could have enrolled them. Instead she chose to kill. Rusty was no prize, true, but in the end she is a spree killer.
@@bonnierobb9211 That's a long way to say "I don't understand PPP, hallucinations, delusions, or severe mental health issues." Her husband actually convinced her to stop taking her meds so he could keep knocking her up. She did want her kids, she thought she was saving them from the devil. Maybe instead of arguing with educated people on the internet, you take the time to educate yourself on the topic you're discussing. You're so angry that you're not listening to logic or reason.
I asked my doctor what the medical recommendation is for someone who has had serious postpartum depression and one of the things he said was, "No more children." He's only one person and not a psychiatrist. But apparently the Yates case caused a new turn in thinking about PD.
@Veronica Elis Your last sentence says it all. Keeping an eye out and helping her get help if she needs it is what it is to be human.
Its not postpartum depresion its postpartum psycosis.
@@dianastvarnik697 I misspoke and thank you for correcting me. It would be wonderful if women with symptoms of ppd could be evaluated and treated before they develop psychosis. My mother was a visiting nurse and did well baby visits, which she said were as much for the mother as the baby.
Sadly, her children always seem totally overlooked in these discussions. Everyone talks or comments on Andrea Yates herself, or her husband Rusty, they talk about the system and courts and how it failed her, or his culpability. But imagine for a moment the terror, fear and panic those poor kids must of endured in their final moments. Sadly they seem to be the forgotten victims in all of this.
Yeah!!So-Sad
@berjaboy they’re forgotten because their damn dad forgot about them - people aren’t “forgetting” the children, they’re trying to make sense out of tragedy and find out how to prevent this from happening ever again. That’s a legitimate way to remember and honor victims. Why would we sit in the horror and fear, gruesomely replaying what it must have been life for so long? What a waste of grief - I choose to try and contribute to the conversation about how we prevent this from happening to other mothers and their children.
Her husband proudly told his mother-in-law shortly before the crimes that he had never changed a diaper in his life. He and the pastor, imo, are just as culpable.
Yet he kept making babies she was married to a psychopath.
@@poelomokgotho8127 making babies? He was a rapist and she couldn't defend herself.
Her husband needs to be in jail, he's a mean person and selfless
After so many hospitalizations for mental health issues, I would have thought the state would have stepped in and taken the children.
i think the fact that she was still married to a seemingly capable partner made them think the kids would be ok/protected.
@@k_a_y_l_e_e Plus; there's no evidence that would have suggested that Andrea was abusing any of the children, so they thought that the Yates children were not in any sort of danger that would warrant the Harris County Department of Children and Family Services the right to intervene.
@@michaellovely6601 Andrea's mother said she noted Andrea wasn't in her right mind when she saw Andrea force feeding solid food to Mary causing her to nearly choke. She filled the bathtub once before days leading to the final murders & she said she have had been having thoughts of killing her children for 2 years leading up to the tragedy.
You see I think even if there was abuse the family must've neglected it, Texas veing Texas a few beatings or whatever went down didn't make anyone concerned. Apparently, one of the children Noah ran from his mother for his life and he was chased down. How did someone so severely psychotic really act okay with the children when unsupervised is a question that should be asked. And Dr. Saaed urged against leaving Andrea alone with the children to Rusty but that guy wanted her to be responsible and left her alone with them either way.
@@blue_sugar_falls What I meant was that after Andrea was treated for her mental health issues following her very severe mental breakdown in the summer of 1999; people said that Andrea had appeared to have gotten back to normal through her medication regiment.
Well remember this is Texas.
Women and children victimized
By The good old boy Husband
Become victims of the good
Old boy Court system if
They come forward complaining of abuse even
With physical, emotional,
Psychological evidence
And Doctors reports of
Physical evidence. All this is
Ignored by the nasty, ignorant,
Dirty little judges that make
Up the corrupt court system
In Houston, Texas. Today
Houston is the murder capital
Of the United States. Not even
Our Great Mayor, Governor
Is aware of statistics. Another
Igmo Good Old Boy!!
As someone who has dealt with postpartum psychosis, I would be devastated if my husband pushed another pregnancy on me.
Pregnancy was great, I was rational, happy, not an ounce of depression but as soon the hormone shift after delivery my body and mind couldn't handle that sudden shift, I tried to hide how I was feeling until I attempted my own, twice, life 4 months later. the postpartum psychosis and treatment was traumatic enough. Never again for me.
Thank you. I was one of many that requested this case. It really interested me because when I worked in a Neonatal Intensive Care Unit, a baby I cared for was killed by her mother months after the baby’s discharge. What little I know about the circumstances is that the mother was given the dx of “postpartum depression”. Heartbreaking to say the least. 💔
Sadly, but not surprisingly, I didn’t know that there’s new research and the dx has since changed to Peripartum Onset.
I’ve said it before...mental health training for medical personnel needs to be ramped up, focused on and factored heavily in the plan of care for all patients.
More research and training on how to get people through hospitalizations without becoming completely traumatized is needed, especially for patients that spend a lot of time in any Intensive Care Unit. Sometimes people seem like they’re literally “losing their mind” when they have to endure long hospitalizations and/or life-long chronic illnesses. We can keep people alive but what good is that if they’re not mentally able to handle the burdens that comes with illness and disease?
PS: “Society” also needs to be a tad more understanding of people with these burdens. (end of rant 😜🤷🏼♀️)
This was an incredibly tragic case, and I don’t think Andrea was of sound mind when she did that to her children. I think she loved her kids but acted while psychotic, depressed, hormonal from postpartum hormones, and on/off meds. She also had religious cult-like beliefs that added guilt and shame. It’s a terrible tragedy all around, but most of all for the kids.
I still believe her husband should have been charged with something 🤷🏿♀️
Lady Cheyne he left his children in harm’s way. There is no way I’d leave my kids with a mentally unstable partner who you know has harmed themselves and also had known thoughts of killing the kids!
Her husband should have gone to jail.
Omg! YES!! He sickens me. It is just as much his fault. (Plus what he put her through. Living in a bus at one point, heavy religious control, homeschooling all the kids, and then another baby when the doctor told them no way!- this would be way too much stress for any woman.)
Why wasn’t he charged????
Agreed. He went on the remarry and have another child. He recently divorced wifey number 2.
Unfortunately, it is a not crime to be a complete a$$h@t.
I absolutely love Dr. Grande's perspective, insight and delivery on addressing these various cases. Very informative and underrated RUclips Channel. Thank you for all of your research and analyzing.
I think the only real thing that can be done for Andrea Yates is life in a mental institution; either that or the death penalty. This is not something she can put behind herself. What life could she possibly live after what she has done? Rusty and his religion are also certainly to blame, but in Andrea's case I think it's best that she is never released into normal society again.
In the UK it is a legal defence for a woman who kills her child shortly after birth that it is postpartum psychosis. As I understand it, this is what Andrea Yates suffered from in a previous pregnancy. She and her husband were warned about this and told a further pregnancy could cause issues. They decided to have another child anyway.
Unfortunately, I don't think that "they" decided to have another child. I think Rusty decided and Andrea was pressured by him.
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@@nancyjones6780 It may have been connected to their religious beliefs... especially a rigid fundamental system...
@@nancyjones6780 Right-wing, male totally dominant religions are known to have little or no concern for the man's sex-slave and baby incubator. I am male myself, but these people and the MRAs give normal, egalitarian, caring men a bad name.
Katrina Campbell I don’t believe “they” decided to have more children...I believe Andrea was pressured by her “loving” husband
"Just say "NO" to satanic teddy bears. -Dr. Todd Grande." That is a t-shirt I would proudly wear!
Sincere thanks and love, all the way from Sweden.
Petra Christensen yes, me too!
Not a sentence I thought I would ever hear, lol!
Sounds like a TRVE black metal band name :P
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Same
I'm reminded of the behaviour of one of my mother's brothers. I remember hearing her speak very scathingly of him. He had many children, I think at least six, and in my mother's words "He kept getting her pregnant knowing that as soon as she was pregnant she'd go off her rocker and she'd have to go to the secure ward, so he'd be able to dump his existing kids on Mum. {>>my grandmother} and have a batchelor's life for months until the new baby arrived and they all came home"
For context I heard this about fifty years ago, they lived in rural Queensland, Australia, near what then counted as a major town, with a country hospital about two hours drive. My mother also on other occasions said her parents were Christian Scientists, so they wouldn't have welcomed medical "interference".
Therefore I've wondered if as well as a post partum psychosis it's possible to repeatedly suffer from a pregnancy psychosis. I assume it is, given the many changes to hormones and emotions that occur during pregnancy(specifically, repeated unwelcomed pregnancies with an unsympathetic husband and extended family) specially fifty or sixty years ago
Of course, given what I know of my mother's family, it wouldn't surprise me to find out the pregnancies were welcomed because my aunt got to go on what must have seemed like a holiday, with meals cooked, laundry done, no kids or husband to bother about!
On a serious note, from the first time I heard of Andrea's case I felt Ol' Rusty should have been at least on trial with her, maybe even as the more guilty party.
He wasn't a stupid man, iirc his profession was an academic one of some sort. Andrea was very intelligent and intellectually curious and she was able to work in a physically, mentally, emotionally demanding profession as a Registered Nurse. She knew she shouldn't have more pregnancies but he over-ruled her every time despite strict medical advice. He deliberately left her alone with the children after having been explicitly told not to do so. He's far more guilty of the children's deaths than she was.
Too often, children’s mental health is ignored if they are excelling academically. I was one of those who was the least of adult’s concerns because they assumed giftedness meant I had an advantage in life, despite many indicators of need in other areas. This story is a great reminder that kids need attention their physical and mental health, and continuing support, to have a chance in life. We have come a long way, in the last few decades, in this understanding. Many thanks to people like Dr. Grande, for bringing awareness to mental health issues!
I lived in Houston when this happened. I'd hear people say she should get life or execution, and I'd say "Only if her husband gets life as well." That man was pure evil. Rusty remarried before her second trial and we all said, "Poor woman! She's got a rough revelation coming up." She later filed for divorce.
Rusty Yates was the guilty party there. He knew that his wife was seriously disturbed and left her at home alone with the kids.
5 children, her husband wanted to sire More offspring than an Aberdeen Angus, He should wear a rosette behind his ear, he knew she had problems with her mental state, but his sex life was more important, he has a lot to answer for!
@@chuckynickolodean8420 - wanting to have children is the entire purpose of life. has nothing to do with disgusting hedonism or 'sex life'
@@davidabest7195 Yeah AND...
@@davidabest7195 I think the point they're trying to make if a little badly was that he just wanted loads of children with no regard for their safety or well being as he was happily leaving them along with a wife clearly in dire need of proper medical care. So when they say his sex life was more important I'm assuming they just mean having kids was more important. although the yeah AND? Is not really a very intelligent reply I'll try. Anyway have a good holidays.
And insisted she have more kids
I’ve been waiting for someone to cover this. This was one of the first major cases I remember seeing on the daily news as a child. It’s interesting to look back on my understanding of these events as an adult.
What stops me from fully sympathizing with Andrea Yates is how methodical and coherent she was in the planning and the execution of the murders. The very planning shocks me - if it was planned was it not premeditated murder? Maybe not all forms of psychosis result in disorganized and violent outbursts. I see yet another moral in her story though - STOP the pressure on women to become mothers at any cost. Andrea was spiraling down with each new pregnancy further throwing her into the pit of mental illness yet her husband thought that putting more load on her unstable shoulders is what would magically cure her.
One of the most disturbing cases, a mother systematically murdering her 5 beautiful children. Given she was a danger to herself, was it not considered she could also be a danger to her children? The system failed those poor innocent kids.
They failed her as well. Very tragic for everyone.
They knew she was a danger to them. IIRC, she had spoken of "sending them to God," before they committed sins that would damn them to Hell for eternity.
Her husband and her mother were trading off, making sure one of them was always with her, to protect the children. At the time of the killings, they were leaving her alone with them for an hour or two, so that she would "fulfill her duties" as a mother.
I've always thought the husband should have faced charges, too.
The system always seems to fail.
They also failed her. I am sure she did not want to murder her children.
Her HUSBAND FAILED HER AND HE FAILED THEIR CHILDREN AS WELL. HE USED RELIGION TO ABUSE HER AND SENTENCED HER TO YEARS OF PREGNANCY AND A PASSEL OF CHILDREN TO CARE FOR AT THE SAME TIME. LIVING IN A TRAILER.....A BUS.......AND FINALLY A HOUSE. HES A MONSTER.
This case it's close to home . My sister had bipolar w/ episodes of psychosis, which became worse with each pregnancy, she attempted suicide, was hospitalized on several occasions, Drs advised her husband not to have any more children , he said he just wouldn't have sex with her, refused to get a vasectomy, what an a** ! Luckily she never hurt her children like Andrea , but they divorced and he got full custody. Was a very sad situation. We just lost her in December. She had a very rough life !
I am sorry
I am so sorry as well. I am bipolar and after childbirth I was euphoric. I am happy I didn't have postpartum depression.
I don't understand why does God allow mental illness ???
As always, Dr. Grande provides an outstanding and illuminating analysis. There are many facts about this case that I was not aware of. Just having had a baby several months ago myself I am acutely aware of perinatal mental health. Just before conceiving my baby, like Yates, I suffered a miscarriage, which was truly devastating mentally, physically, and emotionally. Many people assume that once a baby is born, the mother just goes back to being her normal self, but the postpartum period is perhaps one of the most difficult experiences that many women will endure. You're exhausted mentally, physically, emotionally - and then everyone expects that you just bounce back. As experienced during pregnancy, hormones are still at play, and for me, I did not feel like myself until several months after giving birth. Many women, like myself, who have experienced trauma, also have to deal with reliving or re-experiencing it, whether family, partner, or sexually-related. For some women, the birth process itself is both physically and mentally traumatic. Fortunately for me, although I've experienced much trauma and depression, my symptoms improved after giving birth. And today there are many mechanisms in place in the medical system to screen and intervene to help women with perinatal depression. While I have never experienced psychosis, I can empathize with what Andrea Yates must have endued. We as a society do not support women in general in the perinatal phase - just look at our family and medical leave situation in the United States. Women need to be listened to. They need to be taken seriously. Hormones are REAL. And mothers need SUPPORT! Thank you Dr. Grande for bringing this to light, and I hope the discussion on perinatal mental health is something that you will continue to speak on and widen the discussion of.
“How to ridicule logic and convict” as a court pamphlet - that’s part of a series on rejecting reason and logic while working on behalf of the bureaucracy, is it not?
this is the first of your videos I’ve watched, and appreciate your clear explanations of social, cultural, and legal factors that seemed to influence both her treatment history prior to the crimes, as well as the outcomes during her trial and incarceration. I’m a lay person, but have a strong interest in psychiatry (for personal reasons but also simply because I find people interesting, and their stories emotionally gripping) - your videos and explanations are ideal for someone like me; your deadpan sarcasm and the dryly humorous bits are a bonus! Thank you for taking the time to post these thoughtful videos that represent current consensus from experts in mental/behavioral health - my hope is that media such as your videos will help dispel misconceptions and reduce taboos that cause great harm to the mentally ill - and our society in general.
Thanks for sharing Dr.G, things are not as black and white as they appear. I didn’t understand her actions as a teenager at the time. As a grown woman, mom and daughter of a lovely mom who happens to have schizophrenia... I see things differently. My mom had a hard time until she found support and suitable meds. She carries much guilt for her actions to this day. A mother’s guilt is haunting.
I stand with you 100%, just say no to satanic teddy bears! Seriously, this case has always fascinated me. I feel like there were many opportunities for a different outcome that were missed. I feel sorry for the rest of the family that lost the children, but I feel sorry for Andrea, too. Rusty? I think he played a huge part in this, in a negative way. I am sure he didn't want to lose his children, but he placed no importance on her mental health at all. I am religious, too, but I still listen to my physicians. Rusty wasn't some dumb guy, either. His education was not in a mental health discipline, but he should have known better. I am always amazed at the people who willingly replace someone else's thoughts, teachings, judgement above their own just because that person is thumping a Bible. This case is heartbreaking for everyone involved.
I recall an episode of 20/20 where she went to her OBGYN after the birth of her last child. She was aware that she was suffering post partum depression with psychosis. This particular doctor told literally told her to suck it up and use her mind to get rid of the depression. Holy crap. That angered me to no end.
Hearbreaking case. My heart breaks for Andrea Yates. This should never have happened.
“Just say ‘No’ to Satanic teddy bears ...” Gold. :)
Yeah, Dr. Grande is getting together some great standup comedy material in his videos.
Such a timely PSA, I was just about to say yes
lol 😂😂😂
The satanic teddy bear tangent is my new favourite. Displacing the Jim Jones optometry bit.
I was so confused when he started talking about the teddy bears, mostly because he said it in his same even tone with no real hint to being comedic. Of course that had the direct effect of making it even funnier when I realized he wasn't being entirely serious.
Teddy bears being linked with delusional thinking was an interesting aspect of this video, I had no idea that it was so common. Thanks for another fascinating video.
Me either. Avoid those satanic teddy bears.
i would ask why some people think teddy bears are satanic. That's sounds like believing in demonically possessed dolls.
--Oh wow a ‘McGuyver Teddy Bear’??
Me reminiscing about my 1986 teddy bear themed room. 😂 It was 🐻 heaven up in my room.
Does anybody remember Teddy Rupskin?? He was a teddy bear that read stories to kids. He was really popular in the mid 80s and he cost like $60-70. He could blink his eyes and maybe turn his neck?? Maybe that is where the satanic teddy bear idea comes from.
You are remarkably precise, eloquent, and concise. Thank you for your work.
As a clinical psychologist Dr Grande's discussions come as a welcome reprieve from the usual pseudo-psychological analyses. I thoroughly enjoy the content, ethical and clinical considerations. Thank you!
"No Teddy bear collection is complete without a satanic teddy bear ". Love it!
Andrea Yates husband and mental health professionals failed her drastically. They should also be held accountable. This Dietz character I can't even comment on him.
I always felt her husband should have been jailed.
@@millana100 he should have gone to prison and she belongs in a mental institution. I have more faith in her as a decent human being than in him.
Agreed.
---I totally lost all respect for him after the Yates trial. What a sell out.
I have been interested in this case for years now. It still bothers me that Rusty has not been held accountable in any way for this tragedy.
Andrea is just as much a victim as the kids. She needed help and he was supposed to be a source of support for her.
Now he has remarried and has other children, while Andrea is in a mental institution.
He's remarried and has more kids... 😒
Yes, he remarried in 2006, so he apparently brushed off the tragedy of loosing his entire life quite quickly and has one son. He has declared that he and Andrea no longer lived AS HUSBAND AND WIFE since the day of the murders.... Probably that is all that matters to him... Someone that fulfills her wifely duties.
Mind you that Amdrea was in prison when he married again, she had not yet been sent to the institution she is in now.
@@ramona4516 He had no respect or consideration for Andrea at all.
@@ramona4516 Fortunately, Rusty's second wife Laura Arnold saw that he was trying to do to her what he had done to Andrea and divorced him in 2015.
I totally agree.He needs to be charged with neglect and much more.
"Just say NO to Satanic Teddy Bears!" That right there is solid medical advise! If you make t-shirts.. I need one!
It's official: After binge watching Dr. Grande videos, I am addicted. Although I am not diagnosing myself, just speculating and wondering what he will post tomorrow.
There were so many factors playing into this that it's hard to just blame Andrea for what Andrea did. But the case seems to show that her religious leader is complicit, too. If Charles Manson and David Koresh were guilty, then he should be, too. I think it's likely she wouldn't have killed her kids without that religio-fascist misogynist pounding away at her mentally.
I despise all religions and their thought policing, but his particular brand is really galling to me.
And then there's the wonderful healthcare system in the USA...
Personally, I'd rather believe the teddy bear did it than to know what I know of failed mental healthcare systems in the U.S..
Terribly sad material today, doctor. Thank you for bashing Park Dietz a bit. I never could endure him and his huge mistake on this, but only because he's so arrogant.
Gotta run. Teddy bears are fighting over the Swiss army knife. 😊 Thank you, Dr Grande! 👍🌹
Well to be fair he had a cult like mentality..very common with Mormonism, Jehovah Witness's, Catholicism, megachurches, prosperity preachers, etc..which is they pervert, twist, lie and make up aspects that, surprise surprise, make them appear more superior..they like the notion of themselves being deities..Christian faith debunks alot of their ridiculousness, if not all of it..Christianity and religion are not the same thing..the New Testament actually says it is better for an *adult* to tie a millstone around their neck and drown themselves than hurt a child, lead them astray, misguide them..that's why you can't just listen to someone bc they sound good..I went into clinical psychology with such respect of their knowledge and dedication..after a couple of years I came to realize *MANY* are toxic narcissist's with a god complex, like many of these religious leaders..but so are alot of lawyer's, doctor's and politician's..I'm not saying every single one is bad..I had a child psychologist mentor that was one of the most tenderhearted, caring and understanding individuals, of any in his field..he was extremely thoughtful and humble too..I think every field of any kind of work has disgusting people..when there's power to be had, ego, manipulation and corruption will ALWAYS linger..tough hurdle to get around..sad but true =/ and on a side note, a *teddy* *bear* knocked me unconscious 25yrs ago..sure it was my friend that hit me with it in the head, but nontheless the teddy bear knocked me unconscious and I woke up with my head cut open and blood gushing everywhere..turns out the teddy bear had a small ceramic nose..I took a direct hit to the temple..I straight up still have a dime sized scar..what's even more crazy is that this event doesn't even make the top 100 weirdest things that have ever happened to me in my life..I also have a feeling that I'll die in some extremely bizarre incident..like accidentally inhaling a daffodil and dying..LoL..I have the right personality to laugh at these things =) just thought I'd share my crazy teddy bear story =) God bless
You’re on to something here! 👍🏼
@@thecassandraeffectvsperilo6754 Jesus was, if he existed, a religious leader/guru. He is the founder of Christianity which condones slavery (Ephesians 6:5-7and again repeated in Colossians). And yet people still follow Christianity by the hoards. There are many variations of it, but the Bible is the widely accepted version of its tenet laws. So...
@@elisamastromarino7123 wow, ya just gonna skip over the homicidal teddy bear story? LoL..well many many Atheistic scholars agree Jesus did indeed exist..in the recent past they even found documentation in China of them acknowledging His existence, even mentioning He was the Son of God, dated back in the first century..it's also really interesting to see what science now backs up that's Biblical..they found documents in Jordan made from men recording constellations nightly, that recorded fire falling on Sodom and Gomorrah..when you reverse the time according to the constellation documentation it matches within the date in the Bible..specific tiny ornaments Jewish priest's wore (that people argued never existed) were found in Israel the past year or so..it's really interesting what all is supported now that was contested for a long time..and as far as Ephesians goes
Ephesians 6:1-24 ()
Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;)
That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;
Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;
With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men:
Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.
And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.
Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
But that ye also may know my affairs, and how I do, Tychicus, a beloved brother and faithful minister in the Lord, shall make known to you all things:
Whom I have sent unto you for the same purpose, that ye might know our affairs, and that he might comfort your hearts.
Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.
And you got out of that entire text Jesus loved slavery?? Really? The point was whoever you were, follow the teachings of love, no matter the circumstances..we were given a Supernatural arsenal, which it also goes in to..keep in mind Jesus taught to turn the other cheek and forgive, not just when it's easy..throughout history every gender, creed, race, has been a slave at one time..look into what the Jews endured in Egypt and for how long..God stressed patience and did deliver them out of bondage..He didn't give a thumbs up for the Jews to attempt to beat the crap out of them..not to mention the fact human trafficking runs rampant today, but human's are not responsible for this? Every country supports some kind of modern day slavery, TODAY..are you currently pursuing justice with your government or do you just skip over that while paying taxes to help said government? When God gave free will to mankind that meant 2 things
1) some will choose right
2) some will choose wrong
Would you have preferred to be made a robot with no free will, no drive, no say in anything..no choice of love, family, enlightened experiences..love has to do with choice, family same thing, and there would be no place for enlightened experiences because you're a robot, which would deem it totally unnecessary..do you think people follow Christianity because they were like, "ya, slavery, I want a piece of that!"? When you choose to pick only a few verses (which most don't understand even the ones they choose) it's the equivalent of reading a couple of soliloquies from Hamlet and then attempting to teach a college class on all the works of Shakespeare..accountability is ours, hence free will..people still buy clothing made by children..you know for sure you don't own any? Also keep in mind according to the Encyclopedia of Wars, religion has not been the main perpetrator of war..it states only 8% of wars have been religious in nature and ⅔ of that 8% were Islamic wars..the other 92% of wars were secular wars..wars like the World War 1, political..World War 2, political..Vietnam war, Korean war, nothing to do with religion but politics and land..and you know who the greatest killers of war are, atheists..you've got Pol Pot, Mao, Lenin and Stalin, responsible for 100 million deaths through atheistic communism..but ultimately the problem is not communism or religion *BUT* mankind itself..something to think about =) God bless
@@thecassandraeffectvsperilo6754 Wow. That's riddled with logical fallacies and cherry picked ideas. I have no time to school you about Christianity, how many atheist historians don't believe Jesus existed nor how free will is an illusion, so maybe we should leave it at this. 😆
My heart hurts for Andrea Yates. I hope that she is truly getting the help she deserves. I wonder what your thoughts about Rusty Yates are......
Avalanche I agree, Andrea should have been hospitalized. I don’t feel her husband cared about her at all, knowing she was ill and continued having more children....those poor babies ....their father is equally responsible for their deaths.
Andrea is still living in a mental institution. However; Andrea is no longer psychotic and has since been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. She mostly spends her days watching home movies of herself and her family from "Happy times" and raising money for the Yates Children Memorial Fund.
@@michaellovely6601 You must be joking...
@@Catlily5 I'm entirely serious.
@@michaellovely6601 I am surprised they let her watch home movies so much. That is kinda creepy.
When this happened, I was about a year out- and still recovering- from significant postpartum depression. What happened is terrible, all the more so because it could have been prevented. At the time, I was horrified by the deaths of the children but I could not condemn Andrea because I knew that she had not received the care and treatment that she and her family desperately needed. I felt then and I feel now that her husband failed her and his children. He knew she was struggling and did not insist on getting care for her but rather continued to push his own agenda. He, as well as Dr Saiid with his “happy thoughts” treatment plan, have a substantial degree of culpability in this terrible terrible situation.
Thank you so much for your analysis. As a perinatal mental health certified registered nurse who has witnessed postpartum psychosis, and has been learning from survivors for years, this is a wonderful way to get the word out. Our systems need to do better and thankfully, with a maternal mental health hotline about to go live this spring, our dream is to prevent this from happening again. I hold you in such high regard. Thank you. Thank you.
At the time the system let her down, her health insurance didn’t allowed her to be long term admitted. They released her knowing full well she was a danger for herself and to others. At that time, I remember her husband saying he needs to work and the best place for her was the hospital, under supervision. Even her meds probably didn’t set in yet when she left the hospital. She was unstable at the time, the hospital wiped under the rug their deeds at the time. Such a shame, and still happens to this day, with or whiteout health insurance.
I wish you would have discussed Rusty's behavior in this case. He was clearly abusive and extremely neglectful and his absence/lack of care for his family definitely attributed to her psychotic breakdown. Truly one of the most tragic and disturbing cases out there.
ps - that bit about the teddy bears is gold
I give your videos a thumbs up before even watching because I already know I'll love them. 10/10, would definitely recommend Dr. Grande.
Agreed ☺
I had really severe episodes of psychosis when I was 11 through till I was in my early adulthood and I remember in my teen years I had the weird teddy bear delusions, it started when I was a small child with compulsive behaviours like having to give them all a kiss goodnight and if I missed one or thought I'd missed one I'd have to repeat it over and over again until I'd got it right and later in my teens this tranformed into my believing a teddy bear was watching me, was demonic and I was scared to do anything or even look at it I was terrified to upset the teddy bear.
I couldn't be anywhere near dolls, I'm still creeped out by realistic dolls and mannequins and statues although I don't have any magical thinking about them anymore.
They just creep me the fuck out, I used to have horrible hallucinations of a life sized ventriloquist dummy clown that would sit in my office chair and chatter it's teeth at me at night.
Ive been totally psychosis free now for about five years due to good medication and reduction in triggers although I'm terrified of ever ever coming off my medication even though it has horrible side effects.
Psychosis is so so fucking horrible and I'm so glad I'm healthy now.
It turned out I had bipolar although again I've not had a manic episode since 2016.
"How to ridicule logic in three easy steps and convict."
Probably the best summary of the initial conviction I have ever heard.
She was in a church that was a borderline cult, with a husband that clearly couldn't be bothered to be concerned about her mental health, and extended family that didn't know how to help her. What she did was horrible, but also preventable and nobody did a thing.
No not borderline. Lol. Thst was the definition of a cult. The worst kind
Yes I thought they were quiverfull?
Dr. Grande! "The popular court pamphlet on how to ridicule logic and convict in three different steps! " was priceless. You are a MASTER at understatement! Ain't it the truth!
He is simply amazing 🤩 isn’t he 👍👍😍😘🥰😍
Although this case was relatively old, an assessment was long overdue. I enjoyed your presentation. Thank you.
Hi have been watching your videos and it's really great content, really like the tone and consistent approach. My favourite part is the always present snarky comments, the deliverance is just to brilliant.
Wow Dr Grande’s long-awaited speculation on my fav of all time Park Dietz ! His interview with the Ice Man/Dahmer is riveting. He is reportedly very embarrassed about this error in the Yates trial. Like it’s it’s his one big career failure. In my opinion Rusty ultimately bears some moral responsibility for the awful event. Andrea was on the down slide for some time & should not have been left alone with the children. She clearly was in a fragile mindstate & not fit to be in charge of all the children alone.
Totally, the husband should've been help responsable, instead of helping his clearly ill wife, he moved them into a bus and kept making her have children a,d leaving her alone.
I remember this case and while it was happening someone asked me if I was in favor of the death penalty. I said I wasn't and got asked why. I replied: "Do you know the amount of people with mental illness convicted and being executed?" The person replied: "I didn't thought about that could happen..."
your deadpan humor slays me. Great content!
I’m in the U.K. and haven’t heard of this women.
You’re analysis was brilliant
Such a sad sad case
Thank you so much for sharing
Unbelievable!
I'm terrified about the genetic aspect of mental illness. One of the reasons that made me give up on have kids is the fact that my brother-in-law has schizophrenia.
Thanks for the video, Dr. Grande!
I feel bad for your husband…
@@computerfraudandabuseactof43 hopefully she told him about her concerns before she married him 😳
"Think positive thoughts"?!! That’s only slightly more encouraging psychological advice than saying to a majorly depressive patient "Cheer up!" or "Pull yourself together!"🧐🤦🏻♀️
I’ve always had great sympathy for Andrea Yates. This was a truly awful tragedy where the media & especially the prosecution were so massively concerned with being seen to punish the killer of just so many defenceless children, that they _completely_ lost sight of the complexity & severity of Andrea Yates’ clearly well-documented mental illness history & the extreme depth of her psychosis at the time of the drownings. Plus the false & damaging testimony given by Park Dietz was totally unforgivable.
However, I shall mostly remember this episode for truly epic quotes like: *"Although no Teddy Bear collection is complete without the Satanic Teddy bear, it is quite understandable why many people exclude this one from their collection!", "MacGyver Teddy Bears with advanced technical skills"* & finally the absolutely _amazing_ sentence: *"Just say no to Satanic Teddy Bears!"😈🧸😳😬* ...Sage advice indeed!
Cheer up! Pull yourself together! --- Well geee, why didn't I think of that?! *eyeroll*
I had an appointment with my doctor to talk about my depression and her husband appeared for the visit. He was a doctor at same clinic but I had not made apt with him but wanted female doctor. He actually told me when I was describing my childhood abuse, asked me "why can't you just get over it?" He was from Iran and I don't think there is much sympathy for abused in that culture.
@@tundrellaCat68 I notice in myself, but also in others, that empathy from others goes a long way towards helping someone in emotional pain heal. If I tell someone about the traumatic experiences that have caused me emotional pain I still struggle with and that person dismisses it, I lash out. If someone even only acknowledges that I have a real problem, I calm down. I've seen the same thing over and over again in others (I won't go into the specifics here). I can only imagine that a culture which has no empathy for emotional pain and dismisses it can lead to a a very unpleasant situation.
@@carmensavu5122 I reported the incident to my insurance company, told them he provided no service and should not be paid.
My mother died in September, then I had to put two pets to sleep, then my sister died in April while I was laid off and dealing (like all of us) with the virus. My two best buds and the people who I could always talk about things to are gone. Still can't wrap my head around it. Then I went back to work and found out that the company had been hit by ransomware and all of the tools I needed to do my job were gone. After mentioning to someone that I was feeling kind of sad because of all the things that happened, but was working my way through it, I received an email from the person telling me that I needed to smile. Wow. Yep, who knew that with all of the things that I was feeling and experiencing, the issue was that I was not smiling. Nuttiest thing that anyone ever advised me to do. The equivalent of "Cheer up!" or "Get over it", I guess. Yeh, I'll work on that. :o) Nope, didn't help.
One of the creepier aspects of this tragedy, is that Chad Yates would remarry shortly after divorcing her, conducting the ceremony at the home where his 5 children were killed.
Who tf does that?
New subscriber here, and I’ve been binge-watching for a couple of days now. I truly appreciate your insightful observations and unbiased remarks, but I have to say, your sense of humor is also what keeps me coming back. Your delivery is impeccable, and I always look forward to it. Wen you mentioned Steven Wright as one of your favorite comedians, and referenced Woody Allen, I was not surprised in the least, lol! Perhaps another topic for review could be about children who have killed other children, or even the psychopathology of school shooters. Keep up the good work!
I used to work corrections at the county level and am wondering about a possible contributing factor. A number of female inmates would complain about depression, however almost none of them had ever had a full endocrine work up. Is it possible that a severe hormone imbalance played a role in this woman's condition?
You, sir, are a treasure. I have learned so much in these past few weeks since I discovered your channel. I admire your ability to present these tragic topics with respect, compassion, knowledge, logic, and wit. Reasonable voices are a rare commodity--at least they seem to be rarely amplified in the media space--so it is refreshing to listen to you and to read the sometimes insightful comments of your regular viewers. (Considering that the comment section is often the place where happiness goes to die, I find that this, too, is refreshing.) You think out your words before you speak and it shows. I admire that. I think we can use more of that careful deliberation in the world.
May all be free from suffering.
I'm from Texas and was at the time mother to a young daughter. I too felt that he was to blame and just wanted more babies. Later to find out that most of the blame rested in the mental health "business." I had worked in an inpatient, mental, private hospital and got to see first hand the power that business office manager had. Bottom line won EVERY TIME over patient welfare. Russell tried to keep her hospitalized but her insurance benefits had run out. The max benefits for mental health, at the time, were very reduced compared to medical benefits. The doctors (psychiatrists) declared she was in remission and was being discharged. This didn't happen just once. Andrea Yates was a very sick young mother. Of course, the doctor could not predict the horrible tragedy that would unfold. If he COULD NOT get the approval of the director or Business office, a recommendation could have been made for a temporary stay at a government (in this case state) hospital. There were system failures. I am very glad when insurances started paying more benefits for mental and substance abuse illness. It was a huge tragedy, for all involved.
Bless you for doing this analysis of Andrea Yates. From the onset of this case my thoughts were that she was completely overwhelmed by her domineering husband and who treated her, IMHO, like a brood mare. What she did was horrendous, but the treatment she received by everyone involved in her case was even more horrendous! No wonder she doesn’t ask for release when her hearing comes up. What a silent statement that makes to Harris Co that she would rather be incarcerated than released. ( I am a native Texan and lived for a few years in Friendswood which is near Clear Lake City where I believe the incident occurred.)
Hi Dr. Grande! Good video as usual. I lived in Houston for a number of years and followed this case quite closely. It seemed obvious from her medical records that Andrea was not mentally sound. I couldn't believe it when the jury convicted her of murder, and I'm very happy she got a second chance at an insanity defense. Thanks again for the video!
i really feel bad for her. she wanted and asked for help. everyone just ignored it. my heart goes out to her, and to her children. gutwrenching. thank you again, and stay well
Very interesting insight! Thanks for the deep dive!
I haven’t even listened to this yet but I am so glad you are doing her.