Well it’s a rule that the garment bottom must go to just above the kneecap, however that rule can be broken if you find cute shorts or slitted skirts. But dont you dare drink coffee, swear or buy anything on Sunday. The hypocrisy is unreal in this cult!!!
@@cruelazin America roughly 45 years or so ago that was the way it was here. Also ALL places outside of hospitals and the like were closed for the holidays. Not that way anymore. 😢😢😢
@@GaliSinatra But if you listen to almost anyone speaking at Fast & Testimony meetings, or guest speakers from Stake Presidency or Corporate HQ itself, everyone has at least one story of how the holy sacred magic underwear saved their life or someone they knew. Yeah, it got old and tiring pretty fast for me. 😂
It is btw. Not the only religion with magic underwear in sikhism it is also part of the five Ks. But at least the sikhs also get a dagger out of it and don't only have the magic underwear. It is also only similar to a boxer shorts so it is also way better than mormon garment.
Which us the FIRST red flag of mental illness wide spread. For any religion to be concerned with your mist private areas and underwear, ONLY PROVES THE RAMPANT SEXUAL PERVERSION. Not forgetting the lifting of their hand to their ear and looking up and saying, "Do you hear that"? It's a taught move to intimidate people attempting to cause people people to assume God is speaking to them in order to control the conversation. Me? I rebuke them in Jesus name when they do that. Suddenly they FLEE. Everytime.
I’d put money on Garments being phased out over the next couple of years. The younger LDS influencers modifying or not wearing them at all, the internet having exposed the secret (aka “sacred”) wearing of them, and in an attempt to keep members, I feel a change is coming. Also, I’m - never-mo, but former evangelical.
I wonder what the purpose is? Like, it's clear that anyone who knows what the garments are would know they're either not wearing them or not wearing them correctly. So is it just supposed to be a kind of propaganda for non-mormons, to draw them in by implying "see? We're not that strict! We're modernized!" even if it's not true? It can't be for other mormons, right? Or do you think these aren't actual mormons and they are just influencers trying to profit off the trend?
On the nose, pretty much. Mormons are in a weird place where they want to feel like they're "in this world but not of it" - that they live in the real world but believe their 'true home' is mormon heaven and therefore they're too special to be vulnerable to things like immodest fashions - but their entire religion is ferociously evangelical and they want to be appealing by looking as 'normal' as possible. (See also, changing the Google maps image of Mormon temples to a cross to look more like any other church.) Mormon influencers want to look as normal and COOL as possible to appeal to outsiders.
controversy gets views. its lucrative and addictive. the other mormons will argue with them, and then non mormons will get curious about the argument. then their notification dopamine hit and potentially also their bank accounts will rack up. I do think its entirely possible this is what they actually wear and believe is ok though.
No. It's for Mormons. If you read The Next Mormons (fascinating peer reviewed study on trends in Mormonism and made with comparison in mind with one of the major religious surveys in the nation) you'll see that younger generations are wearing garments in away that suits their lifestyle rather than changing their lifestyle to fit the garments. The temple questions have also changed. I don't remember the wording. (I'm not active Mormon, so I'm not as into it as I once was.) But the question is more general than it used to be from what I understand. So you might even see people wearing just the tops and no bottoms or visa versa. Or buying the petite sizes, etc. My 6' 1" female roommate at the time would buy petite sizes. I didn't even know that was a thing, and resolved that the next time I bought garments I'd get that size too. (Also a tall girl here and no shorts were ever long enough for my tall sizing.) But, for me, there was no next time. :) I stopped going.
I have noticed my two temple married gen Z nieces pushing the limits of their attire while still supposedly wearing the garment. I personally think it's funny because I no longer believe, but their parents are ultra faithful Mormons. Glad this younger generation are doing their own thing!
@@antipuck I am confused you said deconstruction?? What does that even mean? Or did you mean distruction? Yeah I don't think the Jesus I believe in is going to send you to hell for wearing the wrong underwear or even drinking coffee! That's just really weird and self righteous to think that way in my "unrighteous" opinion.
@@tomeubank3625 I think she pointing out that the younger generation is smart and know Jesus doesn't care about your underwear, he doesn't need your money and doesn't care if you drink a cup of coffee in the morning. He cares if your a kind person, help others when you can, love unconditionaly and not judge others, because that's his job, not yours!
@@jasonmiller6371 oh i’m sorry for the misunderstanding!! in theology, deconstruction is the process of leaving your faith and unlearning the harmful things you were taught in it. i’m a atheist, i deconstructed from southern baptist christianity and it was a very scary and lonely process because it’s so intertwined in my culture and identity. i’m just wishing them the absolute best and if they end up leaving their faith i know they will be welcomed by the atheist community, and i hope they’d be welcomed by any other spirituality they could come to love as well 💕 edit to add: i am not at all saying i hope they become atheists or i hope they stop worshipping god, so i really hope i dont come off that way. i just know mormonism causes nothing but harm because its a high control religion and i hope they find a safer and more ethical community, regardless of the path taken.
Oh my gosh, i just started working in retail and i was restocking the womens clothing section and i overheard some ladies talking about cute shirts and this one lady was like "ugh I love this shirt but its not garment approved 😔😧" and all her friends were like "aww 😔" and i was just standing there confused asf bcs the shirt seemed pretty modest to me.
Modesty how modern people understand it is different from how Mormons understand it. I’m currently wearing cargo pants and a tanktop, snug on my body, no boob visible. And it still wouldn’t hide garnments. It’s a very modest tanktop but still a tanktop
@dusk194 that's a very fair point! The odd thing in my case, tho is that the shirt was just a standard short sleeve shirt but I think that the neck was barely too low? Not boob showing low but just low. I'm not mormon so idk how the modesty thing works with the garments so maybe it was super bad for her 🤷♀️
And for what! If they believe that correctly wearing the garments is what the God wants, do they think they can "trick" him? 😅 Why even wear it lacks it's purpose... so many questions
Oh, people trick their gods all the time. In Germany we have the term "Herrgottsbscheißerle", which means God-cheater. It is a kind of dumpling made of pasta dough filled with meat. People thought that if they hid the meat in dough, they could eat it during Lent without God seeing that they were breaking the rules. Drinks like Irish coffee or Frisian "Pharisee", German for Pharisee, were invented to hide alcohol from God and churchmen. Since 590 AD, Catholics are not allowed to eat meat during Lent, but they can eat fish. The Council of Constance (1414-1418) ruled that everything that lives under water is considered fish. Catholic monks took advantage of this and ate beavers and otters. People started drowning pigs in fish ponds and serving them on the grounds that if it comes out of the fish pond, it is a fish. And one person is said to have made it even easier: an abbot had suckling pig served during Lent and when everyone was sitting at the table he blessed the meal and said "I baptize you carp!" But that seems to be just a legend :-)
This was something I struggled with so much when I was Mormon! The hypocrisy goes on and on and on in so many ways. I always wondered if people truly believed it was true why they didn’t live the way they knew they were supposed to? I came to the conclusion that they either don’t care, don’t actually believe it, or are Mormon for the social benefits. So many examples of hypocrisy in Mormonism!
I took photos at a wedding where most of the bridesmaids wore garments. They folded and pinned them to fit the dress, and asked me to delete photos that showed them doing it lol.
Shortly before I left the church and pulled my records, the biggest offender of inappropriate garment wearing (or not wearing at all sometimes) was the bishop's wife. Apparently as the bishop's wife, certain rules didn't apply to her. Everything I watch one of Allyssa's videos, I give thanks to the Flying Spaghetti Monster that I'm out of that cult. Ramen.....
I actually did this but only bc the sizing is super crazy with garments. I was a pretty standard medium in normal clothes (maybe a size 6?) and my mom said to buy xs because otherwise they would be way too big. I got at least 1 small and she was actually right. The small was huge on me but I just saved it for when I was pregnant. Little did I know that I wouldn’t be wearing the bottoms much longer bc of health reasons
@@hanahoffman1877 I understand that, however. The sizing changed over the years, they became very accurate. (I only know bc I have a friend who works for the "garment" department.) So it still falls flat with me.. I also had allergies to garments. So I understand how you feel there
They are making the world a better place... for other Mormons. The rest of us don't really exist much in their reality except as numbers (potential converts).
To be honest, I think this is a classic case of wanting to have your cake and eat it too. These women want to be able to wear whatever they want, but they also don't want to give up wearing their garments, so this is the "compromise" they've come up with
Like bro is it important or not?? Either it's truly a salvation issue and you need to do it right, or it's not any there's no need to do it at all. I can't stand fence sitters like this, man
No, it’s not important. Read the Bible instead of Joseph Smith’s fantasy version. But I fully agree, fence-sitting in any form is a calculated coward’s move.
@clzs325 - This _IS_ important in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons). I wouldn't be surprised if these women are considered blasphemers by other church members.
@@MossyMozart I guess I'm just trying to understand the mindset of these women. I figure when it comes to religion if it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. If they're making a point of doing it wrong, I'm not sure why they're bothering at all
@@MossyMozartit depends on the person. There’s people that were called ‘Molly Mormons’ for living the religion strictly, however the majority of Mormons I met lately live basically however they want but will judge you for drinking coffee, piercings, tattoos, etc. It pisses me off because you either stick to it or you don’t but if you’re not even doing it yourself then you shouldn’t be judging people. Plastic surgery and body alterations are very common amongst the Mormon women I know, but you better not have too many piercings, strange hair color, be LGBTQ+ or dress in some way that’s unique(alternative), or you will be getting judged. The morals aren’t involved it’s about the principles and who’s better than who imo. The few who actually live the religion strictly are almost outcasts because they can’t fit with the ‘in’ group due to their strict lifestyles. That’s my take
@@MossyMozart As a LDS person I don’t find it blasphemy or anything of the sort. The way I view it is that garments are a way to be modest so they can be considered important as a reminder. Something I’ve always been told is that it’s between you and god. I hope these women are following what their heart says. Hope this clears stuff up. Have a good day or night. :)
I've heard a lot of girls say that they will wear petite size garments so that they will be shorter and they can get away with shorter shorts or dresses or skirts. I was always bothered by that because I am actually petite I wasn't trying to cheat by wearing shorter garments but these girls very clearly are.
When you're tall, everything is a petite size tbh. If you've never been yelled at in the middle of an Old Navy because none of the shorts are long enough for you being 5'10 in middle school, it's a unique Hell you'll make any tweaks to avoid again
Worked @ the Dist.Ctr. Women chose lycra bottoms in petite & small sizes because they sit high on the leg. The worst for vaginal infections & irritation.
I have big boobs. The neck was ALWAYS way below what it was supposed to be. Good thing too, because fabric touching my neck is my ick. I'm so glad to be done with them.
And- only “Certain” members can get away with it as well…. If it’s a wealthy, high respected member, people will say “ Oh, how cute” if it’s a not so wealthy part member family, people in the church would give you dirty looks and not tell you but go to the bishop and/ or gossip that they are “concerned” that you don’t know how to wear the garments.
Give a man a sharpie, he'll smell for a day. Tell a man to look up how to embroider letters, he'll get doubletakes on what the temple's selling these days 😂
Just like my husband said when I told him that I wouldn't marry him if I had to convert, "you don't have to believe, you just have to answer the questions correctly to be baptized."
Can you explain how Mormon youtubers like Janeisinsane and HeyThereWilders get away with the outfits they wear? I know they aren't the only ones that are LDS but blurring a line.
it’s much more valuable for the church to just let immodest influencers fly under the radar if that influencer is also talking positively about the church, promoting LDS “family values,” doing temple visits/posting pictures of it, and paying big content creator bucks to tithing. garment compliance has been slipping for years, especially amongst young women, so it’s more strategically valuable for the church to turn a blind eye on that if somebody is doing free PR for the LDS establishment.
@@alix4935when I was Mormon this is something that was really hard for me. All of the girls in my ward were very into their physical appearance, the parents didn’t wear their garments correctly, so much plastic surgery, wearing ‘modest clothes’ etc etc. I don’t know why it’s pushed so hard in Mormon culture but the girls have to be beautiful. And it’s frustrating because it’s this I’m better than you attitude because I’m a Mormon but I don’t actually live my Mormon rules and will judge you. I don’t know how to explain it but it’s extremely hypocritical and vain
You can "get away" with it because it's the bishop that asks you if you wear your garments the way you are supposed to. All you have to do is answer "Yes." He can't do anything about it. So either they feel like they are meeting that requirement and answering honestly or they are lying about it. Or maybe a bit of both. But it's between them and God. So there's not really anything to "get away with" if that makes sense.
Honestly, it feels like every other religious rule ever (at least in ×tian/×tian-adjacent religions): it's a hard and fast sacred rule that can NEVER be broken or disrespected....until it gets in the way of what I want to do, and then I'll find some justification as to why it's okay that *I* can break it 😂
My summer camps had rules about no shorts shorter than your fingertips. I was so salty, because I have unusually long arms. It was absolutely impossible to find them the right length BUT with the right waist circumference. We gave up and cut the legs off pairs of jeans so they'd be long enough. Waste of jeans, I tell you! 😭 It was so ugly 😂 It just made me even more ashamed of my body and conscious I was "tempting" people who shouldn't be at a girl's camp or looking at a 10 year old anyway! 😭
The girls are posed so stiff it looks uncomfortable. If it’s apparently ok to modify the garments then modify them to be comfortable because even with the shorter length they still look like they’re struggling to not let them peek out.
Thank you for talking about this! My sister wears super short shorts and i was wondering how she could get away with it. I used to get pulled aside all the time for doing less then this
the garments is another reason I'm so glad I left the church again, I now have post covid POTS and one of the symptoms is that it messes with my body temp regulation and I couldn't imagine wearing an extra layer 24/7 it would probably kill me!! especially that fabric 😢 I hate silk/satin so much
I follow a few people from the LDS church and they often wear tank tops, swim suits, belly shirts, short shorts, and I’m just left to wonder how they say they are LDS.
The mindset of “my god is omnipotent but won’t notice me purposefully not wearing the garments I believe he demands I wear as instructed.” If wearing the garments properly is too restrictive for your outfits, MAYBE YOU SHOULDN’T PROMOTE WEARING THEM !
Something I've begun to suspect of most religious people is that they aren't _really_ as convinced of their faith as they try to let others believe. That's not to say that they're deliberately lying; I think they're trying hard to convince themselves that they actually believe, so much so that they can't even acknowledge _to themselves_ their own doubt. But, their behavior nearly always betrays that doubt, even if they can't see it. You're showing exactly what I'm talking about.
Once I saw the shorts being above the knee I already knew she probably either rolled them up, isn't wearing any and just blatantly lying, or wearing some that aren't from the church themselves.
I still have modesty issues for being Mormon and conservative Mennonite for over 20 years. First, let me say I see absolutely nothing wrong with what they're are wearing. However, there's that little part in the back of my mind that says anything from your elbows inward and your nose upward should be covered is offended that they think this is appropriate for how they claim to live their lives If they said it was a direct defiance because they think those apartments is silly or arbitrary or whatever I would get it but there's anything really going along with the garment but exposing skin that the garment is supposed to cover. I don't get it and I used to wear a black dress that turned to my ankles and cover my head in the veil so maybe I'm not the best person but I definitely smell hypocrite
I think I heard my active Mormon members talk bout this recently basically they said that the rules have changed and you can hike it up in places and scrunch it in places so it doesn't show in more revealing clothes but the garments limit the neck lines and slit and stuff idk they change it every year but that's just what they said
Great points! Isn't crazy and sad what we used to worry about... Glad I am out of this church instead discussing with other members if one can have Tiramisu, cough syrup and how on heck can she wear that with her garments😂 Such toxic and judgmental mindset!
Soooo.... how many sets of garments does the average Mormon possess ? Do they have to all be consecrated in a Temple ceremony ? Sounds like a lot of laundry action is required.
@@countessspiritclaws5465 oh sorry, I misunderstood. There are a lot of people on these videos who just say she was never a mormon. Excuse me for my complete lack of reading comprehension.
Recently I have seen so many videos where people try to live a normal life and do things they want while adhering to the rules of their religion. They always end up with kind of ”half loopholes” where you e.g. sleep next to your husband but the bed is made of two mattresses so it’s technically not the same bed or something like that. And I just have to wonder - do they not see how hypocritical they are being or how their religion resticts them for no reason?
You should talk about the ballerina farm article. It’s honestly so heartbreaking but I also do recognize the privilege and wealth their family has. I feel bad for Hannah as she was indoctrinated to give up her dreams and live her husband’s dream only
Since I was never mormon I personally wouldnt know what is or isnt garment friendly. But I was raised baptist abd could 100% throw together a garment friendly outfit regardless of gender roles cuz both churches have similar modesty rules. Mainstream baptist churches just dont have any underwear rules as far as Im aware, but Im sure lingerie and thongs and the like have a lot of opinions
In the early 1900's, the church made a statement that the long arm, long leg garment design was given by revelation to Joseph Smith and they were not to be physically altered. If you had to wear an outfit that didn't work with the garments, you should instead hitch them up so you can still wear them. I find this particularly fascinating because the church has dramatically altered the design of the garments from what Joseph Smith originally gave us, and now the church insists you shouldn't hitch them up or wear them differently in order to accommodate your outfits. What they really want is their members to obey them no matter what they say, no matter how ridiculous it is.
I started seeing this trend on my mission if you can believe it! Yeah at that point, they’re basically just “boy short” cut underwear! Even my mom does it I can’t believe it! I left the church so like, wear whatever, I just… there are rules, and they’re so strict about their rules until… it’s inconvenient? 🤷🏻♂️
I'm petite and I hated that the petite garments fit at the top of my knee while the tall ladies has garments halfway up their thighs (obviously buying petite garments). So unfair!
Reminds me of when i was in private school and so many of my classmates would wear privacy shorts we werent allowed to and then roll up their skirts to be shorter. Like, im sorry if im not sexy enough but id rather my thighs and butt not stick to the plastic school chairs
Omg. I am a seamstress in Utah and it is the huge things about them that everything they needs to be altered for cover their under garments. Sometimes it’s very challenging and they don’t understand that once it been altered and it will not look good and I always asked them “why would you buy this outfit in the first place “. Most of them been clearly brainwashed and they are pretty much act like the puppet.
💯💯 *_She is the saint Paul of the mormon church; Saint Paul knew the Pharisees and Saddaceus like his own hands and body, plus he is well educated and a devout_* . *_Same situation here; So devout that you got to branch off and follow your own path_* .
@SchwarzSchwertkampfer - Paul warped the teachings attributed to Yeshu' all out of shape. Since Christian churches tend to follow Paul and not Yeshu', it is more accurately called "Paulianity".
As a petite person, this annoys me to no end. People average to tall buy the petite so they can wear shorter shorts and shorter sleeves. Meanwhile, people who are actually petite are left still wearing Bermuda shorts because they are just the regular size for little women. It’s so dumb. Don’t pretend you’re looking all cute wearing garments and keeping that covenant when you are adjusting them on purpose. Either wear them the way they are meant for your body, or don’t. But this pretending is lame. Like someone else said, you can’t trick God hahaha
Ex Mormon here. I personally don’t find anything wrong with people wanting to wear garments and find cute outfits to wear with them. I think it’s just one of those things about religion that I don’t get or like. I feel like every religion has something that’s going to seem weird to outside people. But I do think it’s weird to try and wear them incorrectly
There was literally a store called "knee shorts" that catered to Mormons because the g's are so dang long. None of these outfits are "garment friendly" and would've gotten me shunned even as a teenager at Young Women's camp.
The important garment is the robe of righteousness. It covers our sins and is offered to us by Jesus. He created it when He sacrificed Himself on the cross. Putting on His righteousness is what makes us acceptable to God. Nothing else is able to cleanse us.
So typical of this cult. Find a way around what they are supposed to do and act stupid when you call it out 🙄 I'm so tired of Utah....... What was I thinking......🤦
I found a box of someone’s Mormon garments in the house I moved into and I kept telling everyone I found this weird box of all white tube socks and weird white t shirts and shorts with sigils on them and was like what in the actual paganism is going on ? …. When I found out that they were garments , i felt like laughing bc the irony and also reallly just unsettled by the new info I had learned especially about the blood oaths
But there’s like Muslim girlies that do the same- some think every hair needs to be covered, some don’t mind baby hairs poking out, some people are happy with half wrapping a scarf over the head with still a lot of hair on show. Religious people loooove to bend the rules, and then somehow don’t see the nonsense of their religion while doing so
*_According to the scripture it is the Holy Spirit [aka, God] that sanctifies and makes all things according to God, holy_* . *_Take good courage because our bodies are the temple of God, and God has us value the things in our life for a reason_* *_If the clothes are dear to you, then more than likely they are dear to God_* .
the church could make all this controversy go away by having a "revelation" that garments, aka "temple clothes" go back to just being worn at the temple like they were originally. that way they can maintain "modest is hottest" while not having to police their flock of influencers lmao
I mean, whatever gets the young people the opportunity to be themselves? It could be the first baby step out of the church, or it could be the way to live their best life still connected to their community
I've known a handful of Mormons and this is the first I've seen or heard of the special underwear. I BELIEVE YOU. I've met Mormons that are different stages of dedicated to their religion. Some even drink coffee. None would ever think of marrying someone outside of their religion though. There are no Mormon/Baptist families out there. For instance.
“Are the garments in the room with us?” 😂💀
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, no. No, they were not in the room with her.
The garments are pointing a gun at her.
😂😂😂😂😂
lol I was looking for this comment, thank you.
She probably felt like such a bad girl taking a photo without her garments that go under her clothes 😂 so many impure thoughts
Well it’s a rule that the garment bottom must go to just above the kneecap, however that rule can be broken if you find cute shorts or slitted skirts. But dont you dare drink coffee, swear or buy anything on Sunday. The hypocrisy is unreal in this cult!!!
hey thats easy in germany sunday all shops are closed 😂
you’ll find people like that in any religion honestly
@@geekmyths every religion is a cult by definition
@@geekmythsand that's why religions are cults
@@cruelazin America roughly 45 years or so ago that was the way it was here. Also ALL places outside of hospitals and the like were closed for the holidays. Not that way anymore. 😢😢😢
Magic underwear is absolutely ludicrous.
@@GaliSinatra But if you listen to almost anyone speaking at Fast & Testimony meetings, or guest speakers from Stake Presidency or Corporate HQ itself, everyone has at least one story of how the holy sacred magic underwear saved their life or someone they knew. Yeah, it got old and tiring pretty fast for me. 😂
It is btw. Not the only religion with magic underwear in sikhism it is also part of the five Ks. But at least the sikhs also get a dagger out of it and don't only have the magic underwear. It is also only similar to a boxer shorts so it is also way better than mormon garment.
@@SonjaPierce GIANT EYE ROLL
Which us the FIRST red flag of mental illness wide spread.
For any religion to be concerned with your mist private areas and underwear, ONLY PROVES THE RAMPANT SEXUAL PERVERSION.
Not forgetting the lifting of their hand to their ear and looking up and saying, "Do you hear that"? It's a taught move to intimidate people attempting to cause people people to assume God is speaking to them in order to control the conversation.
Me? I rebuke them in Jesus name when they do that. Suddenly they FLEE. Everytime.
Bruh they’re not magic, they’re just for modesty. Just like wearing a hijab or burka or having to wear stockings, etc.
I’d put money on Garments being phased out over the next couple of years. The younger LDS influencers modifying or not wearing them at all, the internet having exposed the secret (aka “sacred”) wearing of them, and in an attempt to keep members, I feel a change is coming. Also, I’m - never-mo, but former evangelical.
The prophet will have a vision or something.
I think it would be perfect and hysterical if they abandoned garments for the women, but made the men keep wearing them.
I can definitely see them being altered, and additional exceptions given to wearing them. Earlier garments went down to the wrists and ankles
@@wormwoodpearl1 or them having to be worn only on specific occasions.
@@mariegro09 I can definitely imagine the word "optional" being snuck in so they're only required for temple.
I wonder what the purpose is? Like, it's clear that anyone who knows what the garments are would know they're either not wearing them or not wearing them correctly. So is it just supposed to be a kind of propaganda for non-mormons, to draw them in by implying "see? We're not that strict! We're modernized!" even if it's not true? It can't be for other mormons, right? Or do you think these aren't actual mormons and they are just influencers trying to profit off the trend?
On the nose, pretty much. Mormons are in a weird place where they want to feel like they're "in this world but not of it" - that they live in the real world but believe their 'true home' is mormon heaven and therefore they're too special to be vulnerable to things like immodest fashions - but their entire religion is ferociously evangelical and they want to be appealing by looking as 'normal' as possible. (See also, changing the Google maps image of Mormon temples to a cross to look more like any other church.) Mormon influencers want to look as normal and COOL as possible to appeal to outsiders.
controversy gets views. its lucrative and addictive. the other mormons will argue with them, and then non mormons will get curious about the argument. then their notification dopamine hit and potentially also their bank accounts will rack up.
I do think its entirely possible this is what they actually wear and believe is ok though.
It’s probably to get stricter mormons to comment and up engagement. Just a guess?
Their engagement numbers are bound to be high because of all the righteous indignation...
No. It's for Mormons. If you read The Next Mormons (fascinating peer reviewed study on trends in Mormonism and made with comparison in mind with one of the major religious surveys in the nation) you'll see that younger generations are wearing garments in away that suits their lifestyle rather than changing their lifestyle to fit the garments. The temple questions have also changed. I don't remember the wording. (I'm not active Mormon, so I'm not as into it as I once was.) But the question is more general than it used to be from what I understand. So you might even see people wearing just the tops and no bottoms or visa versa. Or buying the petite sizes, etc. My 6' 1" female roommate at the time would buy petite sizes. I didn't even know that was a thing, and resolved that the next time I bought garments I'd get that size too. (Also a tall girl here and no shorts were ever long enough for my tall sizing.) But, for me, there was no next time. :) I stopped going.
I have noticed my two temple married gen Z nieces pushing the limits of their attire while still supposedly wearing the garment.
I personally think it's funny because I no longer believe, but their parents are
ultra faithful Mormons.
Glad this younger generation are doing their own thing!
aw, sending so much love and hope that they eventually have a safe and fulfilling deconstruction! ❤
I'm somewhat amused that Alyssa seems offended that some Mormons are choosing to wear their garments incorrectly.
@@antipuck I am confused you said deconstruction?? What does that even mean? Or did you mean distruction? Yeah I don't think the Jesus I believe in is going to send you to hell for wearing the wrong underwear or even drinking coffee!
That's just really weird and self righteous to think that way in my "unrighteous" opinion.
@@tomeubank3625 I think she pointing out that the younger generation is smart and know Jesus doesn't care about your underwear, he doesn't need your money and doesn't care if you drink a cup of coffee in the morning. He cares if your a kind person, help others when you can, love unconditionaly and not judge others, because that's his job, not yours!
@@jasonmiller6371 oh i’m sorry for the misunderstanding!! in theology, deconstruction is the process of leaving your faith and unlearning the harmful things you were taught in it. i’m a atheist, i deconstructed from southern baptist christianity and it was a very scary and lonely process because it’s so intertwined in my culture and identity. i’m just wishing them the absolute best and if they end up leaving their faith i know they will be welcomed by the atheist community, and i hope they’d be welcomed by any other spirituality they could come to love as well 💕
edit to add: i am not at all saying i hope they become atheists or i hope they stop worshipping god, so i really hope i dont come off that way. i just know mormonism causes nothing but harm because its a high control religion and i hope they find a safer and more ethical community, regardless of the path taken.
Oh my gosh, i just started working in retail and i was restocking the womens clothing section and i overheard some ladies talking about cute shirts and this one lady was like "ugh I love this shirt but its not garment approved 😔😧" and all her friends were like "aww 😔" and i was just standing there confused asf bcs the shirt seemed pretty modest to me.
Modesty how modern people understand it is different from how Mormons understand it. I’m currently wearing cargo pants and a tanktop, snug on my body, no boob visible. And it still wouldn’t hide garnments. It’s a very modest tanktop but still a tanktop
@dusk194 that's a very fair point! The odd thing in my case, tho is that the shirt was just a standard short sleeve shirt but I think that the neck was barely too low? Not boob showing low but just low. I'm not mormon so idk how the modesty thing works with the garments so maybe it was super bad for her 🤷♀️
And for what! If they believe that correctly wearing the garments is what the God wants, do they think they can "trick" him? 😅 Why even wear it lacks it's purpose... so many questions
Well apparently you can trick God into believing you are not having sex by not thrusting, it's called "soaking".
Oh, people trick their gods all the time. In Germany we have the term "Herrgottsbscheißerle", which means God-cheater. It is a kind of dumpling made of pasta dough filled with meat. People thought that if they hid the meat in dough, they could eat it during Lent without God seeing that they were breaking the rules. Drinks like Irish coffee or Frisian "Pharisee", German for Pharisee, were invented to hide alcohol from God and churchmen. Since 590 AD, Catholics are not allowed to eat meat during Lent, but they can eat fish. The Council of Constance (1414-1418) ruled that everything that lives under water is considered fish. Catholic monks took advantage of this and ate beavers and otters. People started drowning pigs in fish ponds and serving them on the grounds that if it comes out of the fish pond, it is a fish. And one person is said to have made it even easier: an abbot had suckling pig served during Lent and when everyone was sitting at the table he blessed the meal and said "I baptize you carp!" But that seems to be just a legend :-)
@@beesechurger9850 🤢
This was something I struggled with so much when I was Mormon! The hypocrisy goes on and on and on in so many ways. I always wondered if people truly believed it was true why they didn’t live the way they knew they were supposed to? I came to the conclusion that they either don’t care, don’t actually believe it, or are Mormon for the social benefits. So many examples of hypocrisy in Mormonism!
I took photos at a wedding where most of the bridesmaids wore garments. They folded and pinned them to fit the dress, and asked me to delete photos that showed them doing it lol.
In my Garment buying days, I heard a mother tell her 1st time buyer daughter to buy them 2'sizes to small.
Shortly before I left the church and pulled my records, the biggest offender of inappropriate garment wearing (or not wearing at all sometimes) was the bishop's wife. Apparently as the bishop's wife, certain rules didn't apply to her. Everything I watch one of Allyssa's videos, I give thanks to the Flying Spaghetti Monster that I'm out of that cult. Ramen.....
Sooo advice for cheating Mormons is the same as advice for broke trans girls who can't afford a gaff or tuck tape. Funny how there's that overlap.
I actually did this but only bc the sizing is super crazy with garments. I was a pretty standard medium in normal clothes (maybe a size 6?) and my mom said to buy xs because otherwise they would be way too big. I got at least 1 small and she was actually right. The small was huge on me but I just saved it for when I was pregnant. Little did I know that I wouldn’t be wearing the bottoms much longer bc of health reasons
@@hanahoffman1877 I understand that, however. The sizing changed over the years, they became very accurate. (I only know bc I have a friend who works for the "garment" department.) So it still falls flat with me..
I also had allergies to garments. So I understand how you feel there
Ouch?
imagine if they put that much energy into making the world a better place.
Exactly
this
I ask this question myself every second day... 🤔
They are making the world a better place... for other Mormons. The rest of us don't really exist much in their reality except as numbers (potential converts).
Yeah, like all of us helping the world by doom scrolling on our phones 😂
To be honest, I think this is a classic case of wanting to have your cake and eat it too. These women want to be able to wear whatever they want, but they also don't want to give up wearing their garments, so this is the "compromise" they've come up with
Like bro is it important or not?? Either it's truly a salvation issue and you need to do it right, or it's not any there's no need to do it at all. I can't stand fence sitters like this, man
No, it’s not important. Read the Bible instead of Joseph Smith’s fantasy version. But I fully agree, fence-sitting in any form is a calculated coward’s move.
@clzs325 - This _IS_ important in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons). I wouldn't be surprised if these women are considered blasphemers by other church members.
@@MossyMozart I guess I'm just trying to understand the mindset of these women. I figure when it comes to religion if it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. If they're making a point of doing it wrong, I'm not sure why they're bothering at all
@@MossyMozartit depends on the person. There’s people that were called ‘Molly Mormons’ for living the religion strictly, however the majority of Mormons I met lately live basically however they want but will judge you for drinking coffee, piercings, tattoos, etc. It pisses me off because you either stick to it or you don’t but if you’re not even doing it yourself then you shouldn’t be judging people. Plastic surgery and body alterations are very common amongst the Mormon women I know, but you better not have too many piercings, strange hair color, be LGBTQ+ or dress in some way that’s unique(alternative), or you will be getting judged. The morals aren’t involved it’s about the principles and who’s better than who imo. The few who actually live the religion strictly are almost outcasts because they can’t fit with the ‘in’ group due to their strict lifestyles. That’s my take
@@MossyMozart As a LDS person I don’t find it blasphemy or anything of the sort. The way I view it is that garments are a way to be modest so they can be considered important as a reminder. Something I’ve always been told is that it’s between you and god. I hope these women are following what their heart says. Hope this clears stuff up. Have a good day or night. :)
This seems typical of purity culture in general. You must be wholesome and provocative simultaneously.
I've heard a lot of girls say that they will wear petite size garments so that they will be shorter and they can get away with shorter shorts or dresses or skirts. I was always bothered by that because I am actually petite I wasn't trying to cheat by wearing shorter garments but these girls very clearly are.
That is why the styles of garments changed recently.
@@AnnaBellaChannel oh did they? How so?
Now come one, skip the envy!!
When you're tall, everything is a petite size tbh. If you've never been yelled at in the middle of an Old Navy because none of the shorts are long enough for you being 5'10 in middle school, it's a unique Hell you'll make any tweaks to avoid again
Struck me as WILD too!! Absolutely insane to bend the rule while still openly professing compliance... Jfc
Worked @ the Dist.Ctr. Women chose lycra bottoms in petite & small sizes because they sit high on the leg. The worst for vaginal infections & irritation.
Their hypocrisy is showing where their garments are not 👀
Entry level rebellion. I wish them luck in leveling up to full revolt.
It’s called “lip service “.
Professing to do or believe something while not actually doing or living it.
Lying or hypocrisy works too.
Nah it's just Mormonism and it makes sooooooo much sense😂
Right lol don’t make no sense at all
mormonism makes 0 sense babes, I’m all for religious freedom but yall are just a cult at this point
I’m thinking because they’re magic underwear, you can’t see them! 😂😂😂
.^_^.
I have big boobs. The neck was ALWAYS way below what it was supposed to be. Good thing too, because fabric touching my neck is my ick. I'm so glad to be done with them.
And- only “Certain” members can get away with it as well…. If it’s a wealthy, high respected member, people will say “ Oh, how cute” if it’s a not so wealthy part member family, people in the church would give you dirty looks and not tell you but go to the bishop and/ or gossip that they are “concerned” that you don’t know how to wear the garments.
My ex just drew the symbols on regular underwear with a sharpie.
Genius lmao
Give a man a sharpie, he'll smell for a day.
Tell a man to look up how to embroider letters, he'll get doubletakes on what the temple's selling these days 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Just like the good old days 😝
Just like my husband said when I told him that I wouldn't marry him if I had to convert, "you don't have to believe, you just have to answer the questions correctly to be baptized."
Loo
Can you explain how Mormon youtubers like Janeisinsane and HeyThereWilders get away with the outfits they wear? I know they aren't the only ones that are LDS but blurring a line.
it’s much more valuable for the church to just let immodest influencers fly under the radar if that influencer is also talking positively about the church, promoting LDS “family values,” doing temple visits/posting pictures of it, and paying big content creator bucks to tithing. garment compliance has been slipping for years, especially amongst young women, so it’s more strategically valuable for the church to turn a blind eye on that if somebody is doing free PR for the LDS establishment.
jordan and mckay did a video about this a while back! i think it’s called why don’t mormon influencers wear their garments or something similar.
Is janeinsane actually Mormon or is she just satirizing that type of person?
@@alix4935when I was Mormon this is something that was really hard for me. All of the girls in my ward were very into their physical appearance, the parents didn’t wear their garments correctly, so much plastic surgery, wearing ‘modest clothes’ etc etc. I don’t know why it’s pushed so hard in Mormon culture but the girls have to be beautiful. And it’s frustrating because it’s this I’m better than you attitude because I’m a Mormon but I don’t actually live my Mormon rules and will judge you. I don’t know how to explain it but it’s extremely hypocritical and vain
You can "get away" with it because it's the bishop that asks you if you wear your garments the way you are supposed to. All you have to do is answer "Yes." He can't do anything about it. So either they feel like they are meeting that requirement and answering honestly or they are lying about it. Or maybe a bit of both. But it's between them and God. So there's not really anything to "get away with" if that makes sense.
Honestly, it feels like every other religious rule ever (at least in ×tian/×tian-adjacent religions): it's a hard and fast sacred rule that can NEVER be broken or disrespected....until it gets in the way of what I want to do, and then I'll find some justification as to why it's okay that *I* can break it 😂
My summer camps had rules about no shorts shorter than your fingertips. I was so salty, because I have unusually long arms. It was absolutely impossible to find them the right length BUT with the right waist circumference. We gave up and cut the legs off pairs of jeans so they'd be long enough. Waste of jeans, I tell you! 😭 It was so ugly 😂
It just made me even more ashamed of my body and conscious I was "tempting" people who shouldn't be at a girl's camp or looking at a 10 year old anyway! 😭
@@annedavis3340 Did you ever try rock climbing? Your wide wingspan would be quite the asset.
Girls Camp is for 12 to 18.
The girls are posed so stiff it looks uncomfortable. If it’s apparently ok to modify the garments then modify them to be comfortable because even with the shorter length they still look like they’re struggling to not let them peek out.
Thank you for talking about this! My sister wears super short shorts and i was wondering how she could get away with it. I used to get pulled aside all the time for doing less then this
the garments is another reason I'm so glad I left the church again, I now have post covid POTS and one of the symptoms is that it messes with my body temp regulation and I couldn't imagine wearing an extra layer 24/7 it would probably kill me!! especially that fabric 😢 I hate silk/satin so much
I follow a few people from the LDS church and they often wear tank tops, swim suits, belly shirts, short shorts, and I’m just left to wonder how they say they are LDS.
The mindset of “my god is omnipotent but won’t notice me purposefully not wearing the garments I believe he demands I wear as instructed.”
If wearing the garments properly is too restrictive for your outfits, MAYBE YOU SHOULDN’T PROMOTE WEARING THEM !
Something I've begun to suspect of most religious people is that they aren't _really_ as convinced of their faith as they try to let others believe. That's not to say that they're deliberately lying; I think they're trying hard to convince themselves that they actually believe, so much so that they can't even acknowledge _to themselves_ their own doubt. But, their behavior nearly always betrays that doubt, even if they can't see it. You're showing exactly what I'm talking about.
Once I saw the shorts being above the knee I already knew she probably either rolled them up, isn't wearing any and just blatantly lying, or wearing some that aren't from the church themselves.
Garment "Hacks" lol
Hacked to bits, it seems.
I still have modesty issues for being Mormon and conservative Mennonite for over 20 years.
First, let me say I see absolutely nothing wrong with what they're are wearing. However, there's that little part in the back of my mind that says anything from your elbows inward and your nose upward should be covered is offended that they think this is appropriate for how they claim to live their lives
If they said it was a direct defiance because they think those apartments is silly or arbitrary or whatever I would get it but there's anything really going along with the garment but exposing skin that the garment is supposed to cover.
I don't get it and I used to wear a black dress that turned to my ankles and cover my head in the veil so maybe I'm not the best person but I definitely smell hypocrite
I think I heard my active Mormon members talk bout this recently basically they said that the rules have changed and you can hike it up in places and scrunch it in places so it doesn't show in more revealing clothes but the garments limit the neck lines and slit and stuff idk they change it every year but that's just what they said
Great points!
Isn't crazy and sad what we used to worry about... Glad I am out of this church instead discussing with other members if one can have Tiramisu, cough syrup and how on heck can she wear that with her garments😂 Such toxic and judgmental mindset!
I was always told in YW that the garments and skirts you wear are supposed to touch the floor when you kneel to pray 🙄
Soooo.... how many sets of garments does the average Mormon possess ? Do they have to all be consecrated in a Temple ceremony ? Sounds like a lot of laundry action is required.
They literally sell garments out of a mormon book store😭 love seeing them try and make magic underwear seem important while doing the exact opposite
You buy them pre-Holyfied with the magic symbols embroidered in. At deseret book, only $50 a set.
@@abbydenison3574 Thank you !
@@codename495 that's a lot of money for something that doesn't even have an underwire
@@wormwoodpearl1 - No "lift and separate" technology!
“How can I still participate in beauty and Mormon culture “ head scratcher
roleplaying as a mormon to make your OOTD videos get more engagement on tiktok is certainly not a trend i expected
I love how people like you don't have any points against her so you just resorted to "NUH UH!!"
@@goober-ey7mx points against who?? i’m not disagreeing with anything, i’m just baffled by the fact that this is a tiktok trend
@@countessspiritclaws5465 oh sorry, I misunderstood. There are a lot of people on these videos who just say she was never a mormon. Excuse me for my complete lack of reading comprehension.
Recently I have seen so many videos where people try to live a normal life and do things they want while adhering to the rules of their religion. They always end up with kind of ”half loopholes” where you e.g. sleep next to your husband but the bed is made of two mattresses so it’s technically not the same bed or something like that. And I just have to wonder - do they not see how hypocritical they are being or how their religion resticts them for no reason?
they’re so sacred you can just do whatever you want with them!
You should talk about the ballerina farm article. It’s honestly so heartbreaking but I also do recognize the privilege and wealth their family has. I feel bad for Hannah as she was indoctrinated to give up her dreams and live her husband’s dream only
Since I was never mormon I personally wouldnt know what is or isnt garment friendly. But I was raised baptist abd could 100% throw together a garment friendly outfit regardless of gender roles cuz both churches have similar modesty rules. Mainstream baptist churches just dont have any underwear rules as far as Im aware, but Im sure lingerie and thongs and the like have a lot of opinions
I suppose it's just a symptom of the stiflingly restrictive rules
In the early 1900's, the church made a statement that the long arm, long leg garment design was given by revelation to Joseph Smith and they were not to be physically altered. If you had to wear an outfit that didn't work with the garments, you should instead hitch them up so you can still wear them. I find this particularly fascinating because the church has dramatically altered the design of the garments from what Joseph Smith originally gave us, and now the church insists you shouldn't hitch them up or wear them differently in order to accommodate your outfits. What they really want is their members to obey them no matter what they say, no matter how ridiculous it is.
The mental/textile gymnastics some will perform to comply with bullsh*t
Wtf....former member that was "endowed" 😂.....have things gone this lax?
They're milking the algorithm.
I started seeing this trend on my mission if you can believe it! Yeah at that point, they’re basically just “boy short” cut underwear! Even my mom does it I can’t believe it! I left the church so like, wear whatever, I just… there are rules, and they’re so strict about their rules until… it’s inconvenient? 🤷🏻♂️
I'm petite and I hated that the petite garments fit at the top of my knee while the tall ladies has garments halfway up their thighs (obviously buying petite garments). So unfair!
I grew up in the Mormon church and I still don’t understand the whole garment thing
I always thought the garments were a joke but then I saw them irl and my world shattered
Reminds me of when i was in private school and so many of my classmates would wear privacy shorts we werent allowed to and then roll up their skirts to be shorter.
Like, im sorry if im not sexy enough but id rather my thighs and butt not stick to the plastic school chairs
Omg. I am a seamstress in Utah and it is the huge things about them that everything they needs to be altered for cover their under garments. Sometimes it’s very challenging and they don’t understand that once it been altered and it will not look good and I always asked them “why would you buy this outfit in the first place “. Most of them been clearly brainwashed and they are pretty much act like the puppet.
💯💯
*_She is the saint Paul of the mormon church; Saint Paul knew the Pharisees and Saddaceus like his own hands and body, plus he is well educated and a devout_* .
*_Same situation here; So devout that you got to branch off and follow your own path_* .
@SchwarzSchwertkampfer - Paul warped the teachings attributed to Yeshu' all out of shape. Since Christian churches tend to follow Paul and not Yeshu', it is more accurately called "Paulianity".
Love this girl!
She is well over 21. That makes her a _woman._ I like her, too.
When i saw those pictures i thought people were ironic with these mormon ootd thing.
Wouldn't that be considered sacrilegious?! 🤔 😅
As a petite person, this annoys me to no end. People average to tall buy the petite so they can wear shorter shorts and shorter sleeves. Meanwhile, people who are actually petite are left still wearing Bermuda shorts because they are just the regular size for little women. It’s so dumb. Don’t pretend you’re looking all cute wearing garments and keeping that covenant when you are adjusting them on purpose. Either wear them the way they are meant for your body, or don’t. But this pretending is lame. Like someone else said, you can’t trick God hahaha
I'm sure that in hot and humid weather compliance with Mormon garment wearing drops markedly.
I was raised fundie so I still had a more strict dress code but I am so glad I could wear shorts.
Ex Mormon here. I personally don’t find anything wrong with people wanting to wear garments and find cute outfits to wear with them. I think it’s just one of those things about religion that I don’t get or like. I feel like every religion has something that’s going to seem weird to outside people. But I do think it’s weird to try and wear them incorrectly
Makes me chuckle, thinking of all the hot mormon girls I went to church with having to wear this everyday. Especially now in the summer 😂😂😂
Enforced magic underwear has me feeling grateful for my lack of involvement with religion
Reminds me of religious sects that teach married women must never show their hair, yet they may wear wigs that look exactly like natural hair.
*”For me but not for thee.”*
I'm reminded of my 16 year old self, whose life mission was to find the exact line of the school's dress code and toe it.
That’s probably the most baffling things about Mormonism is the consistent inconsistency from their traditions to their core teachings.
There was literally a store called "knee shorts" that catered to Mormons because the g's are so dang long. None of these outfits are "garment friendly" and would've gotten me shunned even as a teenager at Young Women's camp.
I’ve never even worn garments but I knew within 2 seconds that these ladies were doing it wrong
It seems odd to want to hide the one thing that declares how faithful you are to your religion.
Also, if you're doing sport you dont need to wear them. Hence they wear work out gear 24/7
The important garment is the robe of righteousness.
It covers our sins and is offered to us by Jesus.
He created it when He sacrificed Himself on the cross. Putting on His righteousness is what makes us acceptable to God. Nothing else is able to cleanse us.
I remember when I was active a lot of women would tell me which petite styles to get to be the shortest for cute shorts.
Curious, when did they change "coverage"? Used to be to wrists & ankles but I guess some prophet had a thing for knees & elbows.
So typical of this cult.
Find a way around what they are supposed to do and act stupid when you call it out 🙄
I'm so tired of Utah.......
What was I thinking......🤦
I found a box of someone’s Mormon garments in the house I moved into and I kept telling everyone I found this weird box of all white tube socks and weird white t shirts and shorts with sigils on them and was like what in the actual paganism is going on ? …. When I found out that they were garments , i felt like laughing bc the irony and also reallly just unsettled by the new info I had learned especially about the blood oaths
Active lds here 🙋🏼♀️
I don’t disagree with you! People who modify wearing garments are missing the whole point of wearing them, imo 🤷🏼♀️
Because of learning from you, I often google someone big in social media and discover they are Mormon.
The real question is, how do these women get so tan if they're wearing said garments all the time? Do they own tanning beds at home?
Thus, God say to Eve; "No knees! More leaves!"
And to this, Adam replied "Why do I have to wear a Schlong-sock!?"
The garments are bizarre and have always been😢
“Are the garments in the room with us?” 💀
But there’s like Muslim girlies that do the same- some think every hair needs to be covered, some don’t mind baby hairs poking out, some people are happy with half wrapping a scarf over the head with still a lot of hair on show. Religious people loooove to bend the rules, and then somehow don’t see the nonsense of their religion while doing so
This is like when Christians try to make “christian” versions of movies that they aren’t supposed to watch. Like Fifty Shades of Grey. Makes no sense.
They should add a hypocratic oath to their temple ceremonies because it's getting kinda ridiculous.
Having seen one of your previous vids regarding the underwear, the first thing I noticed was too much skin!
It's called hypocrisy and ignorance! 😂
And Jesus didn't even worn them... 😢
*_According to the scripture it is the Holy Spirit [aka, God] that sanctifies and makes all things according to God, holy_* .
*_Take good courage because our bodies are the temple of God, and God has us value the things in our life for a reason_*
*_If the clothes are dear to you, then more than likely they are dear to God_* .
This is the magic of garmets ✨✨
The Catholic school girl equivalent to rolling your skirt 😂
Business in the front, party in the back 😂
the church could make all this controversy go away by having a "revelation" that garments, aka "temple clothes" go back to just being worn at the temple like they were originally. that way they can maintain "modest is hottest" while not having to police their flock of influencers lmao
I mean, whatever gets the young people the opportunity to be themselves? It could be the first baby step out of the church, or it could be the way to live their best life still connected to their community
I've known a handful of Mormons and this is the first I've seen or heard of the special underwear. I BELIEVE YOU.
I've met Mormons that are different stages of dedicated to their religion. Some even drink coffee.
None would ever think of marrying someone outside of their religion though. There are no Mormon/Baptist families out there. For instance.
I just can't fathom why they aren't allowed to drink TEA!!!! It's GOOD FOR YOU TF