Awesome job I appreciate you sharing your info and in my humble opinion, I think it goes along the lines of original biker chopper attitude, using Harley parts(using the best years and mixing them together), not spending an arm in the leg on all kinds of different nonsense I did have a question now. Was it just the crossmembers that you cut out and does the complete bagger drivetrain work in those frames or is it just a road king motor and trans?
Cheers mate, I think of it like OEM+, similar to stock but nicely upgraded across all areas. Good thing about late model stuff is parts availability is so much better, easier and cheaper. As for fitment, it is just the cross members removed. They can retained of you spend the money on a billet oil pan that can clear them. It must be a bagger setup used in the fxr frame. Doesn't really matter year or model, but must be from a tourer due to dimensions. Softails/dynas use a longer primary that will not fit. The full drivetrain from a bagger fits.
Great work and explanation. I think my '92 FXLR will always be an EVO, due to it's period correct customization (mid to late 90's Hamster inspired build, Billy Westbrook Original).
Whilst I agree that the FXR ( or later bagger) frame looks nicer, is there any real advantage with those frames over a Dyna frame once you use Chopper Hauss/Big Bear Choppers engine mounts ? With all the frame nods needed it seems to be a helluva lot of work if you are only using a stock/mild motor...... I have a 2010 model FXDB that is now 113 inch with BBC mounts, it runs about 130 bhp and torque and is fine - after I had stronger front mount supports made as the right-hand-side one broke.... and I don't do wheelies
Yeah, massive advantages over the fxr/bagger frames to dynas. Mainly in rigidity, stiffness, and superior drivetrain mount setup. The CH mounts on Dynas do well to eliminate some of the twist that can snap front motor mounts off the case, but doesn't rectify the back end.
@@jimmyrustles8118 The mounts on the cases are not what snapped - it was the aluminum support plate on the right hand side front of the BBC mount - if I bought them again I would buy steel ones, as it is I got the supports re-made from aircraft quality Duralmin in a much heavier construction build as the BBC ones look pretty but lack real strength. I was running very short (11.5 inch) rear shocks with heavy springs that transmitted the rear wheel 'road shock' to the front engine mount supports - I now run 12.5inch shocks with softer spring rates and more travel. I use urethane mounts from Drag Spec and not the rubber Harley ones as they flex too much. The rear BBC mount still has the HD rubbers but I have an earlier production one that holds the rubbers real tight and there is no sideways movement or 'flexing' at all. All I ever see is a little verticle rise and fall on the front of the motor when reving the engine - no sideways movement or twisting. I suppose there might be some sideways rocking (and resulting rear wheel 'twist') due to the top motor mount but as the front of the motor moves up and down only a small amount - a half inch at most - it is negligable, and the rear mount just doen't show any movement - up, down or sideways. It feels good enough to ride 'one-handed' at 100mph with 18 inch ape-hangers - in a straight line !!
@@thakery5720 sorry, I meant that this style of front mount reduces the flex that can snap case mounts on stock dyna style front motor mounts when doing wheelies etc. What you're describing is what it should be doing, I.e vertical movement only. Interesting the BBC ones are aluminium, wouldn't be my choice. These chopper hauss ones are steel.
@@jimmyrustles8118 Yes, I bought the rear mount first then the front one as the bike has so much torque that the front of the motor pushed to the right - end the rea rwheel went to the left ! I tried the Vibratechnics thing and that was a joke - just couldn't handle the power at all. Every time I set things up and went out for a ride, only to find it all out-of-line when I got home again ! Then I noticed that the aluminum BBC mount was 'sideways adjustable' and bought that as the bike always had - from new - rear wheel alignment problems. That combined with the too-stiff rear shocks is maybe what did for the front support on the BBC mount. I remeber when the Evo Dynas first hit the market - everyone complaining about them, and hear I am putting easily double an Evo's power (maybe getting on treble as I am still tuning and improving the engine) through it.
I guess if your part engineer this is fun, However if horse power is my end game I would think a 124" or 143" with minor frame mods with the latter would be way...More productive. Good luck man. I'll stick with my 124. Not bashing here.
Absolute highest horsepower definitely isnt the end game, not with a carb'd 95in motor anyway. Not sure they're really comparable either, by my maths, a 124 would be over 6 times more expensive then this setup cost me. For me, theres not a great deal of value there throwin $10,000 + for an extra 30 odd horsepower, not when Ive got other Harleys anyway. If money was no object, it would be a very different bike in the end haha
Great video, subbed ya , not trying to be a hater but that Rip off Motor mount is garbage! Big Bear Choppers mount is the OG , call up Kevin Alsop at Big Bear Performance and you’ll get an ear full of how they ripped him off! You’ll hear one pissed off Australian American! Otherwise, beautiful job!
Awesome job I appreciate you sharing your info and in my humble opinion, I think it goes along the lines of original biker chopper attitude, using Harley parts(using the best years and mixing them together), not spending an arm in the leg on all kinds of different nonsense
I did have a question now. Was it just the crossmembers that you cut out and does the complete bagger drivetrain work in those frames or is it just a road king motor and trans?
Cheers mate, I think of it like OEM+, similar to stock but nicely upgraded across all areas. Good thing about late model stuff is parts availability is so much better, easier and cheaper.
As for fitment, it is just the cross members removed. They can retained of you spend the money on a billet oil pan that can clear them.
It must be a bagger setup used in the fxr frame. Doesn't really matter year or model, but must be from a tourer due to dimensions. Softails/dynas use a longer primary that will not fit. The full drivetrain from a bagger fits.
Thanks for the info on getting back to me so soon (brother) keep building
Never mind to my previous comment on your other video I just watched this one
That front mount really pushed the engine up and back.
Not really, clearance to the back bone at rear cylinder is always tight with the TC, stock mounts inclusive.
Great work and explanation. I think my '92 FXLR will always be an EVO, due to it's period correct customization (mid to late 90's Hamster inspired build, Billy Westbrook Original).
Thats awesome.. definitely worth keeping like that. I'll have to try and throw a picture of what this bike started as... nothing inspired about it😂
Whilst I agree that the FXR ( or later bagger) frame looks nicer, is there any real advantage with those frames over a Dyna frame once you use Chopper Hauss/Big Bear Choppers engine mounts ? With all the frame nods needed it seems to be a helluva lot of work if you are only using a stock/mild motor......
I have a 2010 model FXDB that is now 113 inch with BBC mounts, it runs about 130 bhp and torque and is fine - after I had stronger front mount supports made as the right-hand-side one broke.... and I don't do wheelies
Yeah, massive advantages over the fxr/bagger frames to dynas. Mainly in rigidity, stiffness, and superior drivetrain mount setup. The CH mounts on Dynas do well to eliminate some of the twist that can snap front motor mounts off the case, but doesn't rectify the back end.
@@jimmyrustles8118 The mounts on the cases are not what snapped - it was the aluminum support plate on the right hand side front of the BBC mount - if I bought them again I would buy steel ones, as it is I got the supports re-made from aircraft quality Duralmin in a much heavier construction build as the BBC ones look pretty but lack real strength.
I was running very short (11.5 inch) rear shocks with heavy springs that transmitted the rear wheel 'road shock' to the front engine mount supports - I now run 12.5inch shocks with softer spring rates and more travel.
I use urethane mounts from Drag Spec and not the rubber Harley ones as they flex too much.
The rear BBC mount still has the HD rubbers but I have an earlier production one that holds the rubbers real tight and there is no sideways movement or 'flexing' at all.
All I ever see is a little verticle rise and fall on the front of the motor when reving the engine - no sideways movement or twisting. I suppose there might be some sideways rocking (and resulting rear wheel 'twist') due to the top motor mount but as the front of the motor moves up and down only a small amount - a half inch at most - it is negligable, and the rear mount just doen't show any movement - up, down or sideways.
It feels good enough to ride 'one-handed' at 100mph with 18 inch ape-hangers - in a straight line !!
@@thakery5720 sorry, I meant that this style of front mount reduces the flex that can snap case mounts on stock dyna style front motor mounts when doing wheelies etc. What you're describing is what it should be doing, I.e vertical movement only.
Interesting the BBC ones are aluminium, wouldn't be my choice. These chopper hauss ones are steel.
@@jimmyrustles8118 Yes, I bought the rear mount first then the front one as the bike has so much torque that the front of the motor pushed to the right - end the rea rwheel went to the left !
I tried the Vibratechnics thing and that was a joke - just couldn't handle the power at all. Every time I set things up and went out for a ride, only to find it all out-of-line when I got home again !
Then I noticed that the aluminum BBC mount was 'sideways adjustable' and bought that as the bike always had - from new - rear wheel alignment problems.
That combined with the too-stiff rear shocks is maybe what did for the front support on the BBC mount.
I remeber when the Evo Dynas first hit the market - everyone complaining about them, and hear I am putting easily double an Evo's power (maybe getting on treble as I am still tuning and improving the engine) through it.
I guess if your part engineer this is fun, However if horse power is my end game I would think a 124" or 143" with minor frame mods with the latter would be way...More productive. Good luck man. I'll stick with my 124. Not bashing here.
Absolute highest horsepower definitely isnt the end game, not with a carb'd 95in motor anyway. Not sure they're really comparable either, by my maths, a 124 would be over 6 times more expensive then this setup cost me. For me, theres not a great deal of value there throwin $10,000 + for an extra 30 odd horsepower, not when Ive got other Harleys anyway.
If money was no object, it would be a very different bike in the end haha
Great video, subbed ya , not trying to be a hater but that Rip off Motor mount is garbage! Big Bear Choppers mount is the OG , call up Kevin Alsop at Big Bear Performance and you’ll get an ear full of how they ripped him off! You’ll hear one pissed off Australian American! Otherwise, beautiful job!
Ive heard the exact opposite, who really know 🤷♂️ There is a whole lot of anti-BBC sentiment though, he's certainly not everyone's favourite
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