One more thing.. you said maybe it just needs to be worn in.. that was definitely the case with several Heli’s I’ve had.. the ball links can be too tight but once they get broken in the Heli can fly much smoother. My Goblin KSE didn’t fly well until about 20 flights in. Tictocs are aggressive enough to help that process. My two cents
Awesome!. I second the below - check the tail belt tension. Other than that I'd make sure there's no play in blade grips - do you need to shim it out more?. Blades too tight?. Seems unlikely. Don't use VBAR but I'd keep lowering the gains to see if it goes away. Otherwise no idea bud!. Always a pain diagnosing these issues.
Thanks bro! Yeah, I’m at 10 flights now and still having issues. Tail & head gains are down to 55. The belt is really tight and where it should be according to the manual. Maybe I will try to run it a bit loose and see what happens
So that tail shake/wobble is a governor gain to high. I had the same issue with my 760X and drove me nuts. Turn governor gain down. Not tail gain but governor
Yeah man, I did lots of testing on the bench with my blades off. Everything is super smooth on the bench at all different head speeds. I did track the blades. They were slightly off. After fixing the tracking the wobble is still there. I mean I didn’t resize ball links or anything. Could that cause this?
Hi, What flybarless unit are you using? I emailed Kyle Stacy when I first got my RAW. This is what he is running: Kyle Stacy said “Here are the settings that I am running currently: Expo: 30 Agility: 124 Style: 80 Gain: 60 Tail Expo: 50 Rate: 130 Gain: 55 P Gain: 70 RPM: 2250 (HobbyWing governor - Gov store mode) 8 degrees of cyclic about 13 degrees of collective. Hope this helps! Kyle” For me, 30% expo was way too high, I think I’m at 11-13% or so on rotor but all the other numbers are spot on. I never ran so much tail expo but now I can actually do tail down tictocs perfectly so I guess I should have increased that a long time ago. I am now running 700mm Rapid main blades.. I prefer them to the 690 SAB’s and lowered my max headspeed to 2000. Feels awesome for me, and I love the “classic” blade sound better. It auto’s noticeably longer too. If you’re using Ikon or something else these number might be much different. Now I need to email him again to get the numbers for the Nitro RAW that shamefully has been sitting in its box unbuilt for 4 months
Thanks for the info. I am running vbar neo express. So I don’t think I can adjust the pid’s separately. I have both tail & head gains down to 55 now and it still has the wag/wobble. I am running 2000 rpm headspeed. I have 9 flights on it now. But still can’t unleash the beast. The tail feels smooth with no binding
No. Still have it with my head & tail gains down to 55. Did you make the tail belt tighter or looser? My tail belt tightness is where it needs to be according to the manual. Thanks!
I went a little looser on the belt it took a lot of the load on the tail drive train off and it stop doing the up and down wobble my tail was fine. After 10 hard flights or so it's been nice. I see your flying in cold weather it also plays a parts in breaking everything in.
@@daviderocchi3549 Waiting for some warmer weather to get another flight. Is it normal for 700 size heli gains to be that low? I think my 770 was around 70 on head and tail gains.
@@thercelementheliedition5716 yes you are right it is a low value but it seems to vibrate only as you turn the tail, so if you have everything right you have to find the right setting of the vbar. I advise you in small steps.
@@thercelementheliedition5716 My Goblins typically land around 45-50 on tail gain, head around 55 ish... Spiriit, NEO and IKON, seems about the same. One on VBAR TX, The rest on Spektrum TX.
@@jonreed1257 oh ok wow. Didn’t realize those low numbers are normal. I thought mine was too low in the 60s. I will keep taking them lower and see what happens. All my other helis are in the 70-80s I believe. Thanks!
One more thing.. you said maybe it just needs to be worn in.. that was definitely the case with several Heli’s I’ve had.. the ball links can be too tight but once they get broken in the Heli can fly much smoother. My Goblin KSE didn’t fly well until about 20 flights in. Tictocs are aggressive enough to help that process. My two cents
Thanks buddy! Plus it has been really cold here. Like 20s & 30s for all my flights. Maybe warmer weather will help🤔. Who knows lol
I'm about to maiden my new RAW 700 KSE (as soon as weather clears), so this is all very interesting to me.
looks unleashed to me , fantastic skills.
I have several Raw’s. Head gain comes down to around 50 at 2k rpm. And leave in the optimizer and let the auto optimize for a bit.
Thanks! I figured it out. I’m a dumbass. Check the video after this one on my channel 🤙
Awesome!.
I second the below - check the tail belt tension.
Other than that I'd make sure there's no play in blade grips - do you need to shim it out more?.
Blades too tight?. Seems unlikely.
Don't use VBAR but I'd keep lowering the gains to see if it goes away.
Otherwise no idea bud!. Always a pain diagnosing these issues.
Thanks bro! Yeah, I’m at 10 flights now and still having issues. Tail & head gains are down to 55. The belt is really tight and where it should be according to the manual. Maybe I will try to run it a bit loose and see what happens
So that tail shake/wobble is a governor gain to high. I had the same issue with my 760X and drove me nuts. Turn governor gain down. Not tail gain but governor
Blade tracking may be a little off try to remove the blades and run the motor at 1600 to 1900 rpms and see if on the bench if the heil shakes.
Yeah man, I did lots of testing on the bench with my blades off. Everything is super smooth on the bench at all different head speeds. I did track the blades. They were slightly off. After fixing the tracking the wobble is still there. I mean I didn’t resize ball links or anything. Could that cause this?
Maybe try some different head speeds. Seems to need a lil more?
Nice looking helicopter
I have SAB RAW 700 too，it is very betuful .
Hi,
What flybarless unit are you using? I emailed Kyle Stacy when I first got my RAW. This is what he is running:
Kyle Stacy said
“Here are the settings that I am running currently:
Expo: 30
Agility: 124
Style: 80
Gain: 60
Tail
Expo: 50
Rate: 130
Gain: 55
P Gain: 70
RPM: 2250 (HobbyWing governor - Gov store mode)
8 degrees of cyclic
about 13 degrees of collective.
Hope this helps!
Kyle”
For me, 30% expo was way too high, I think I’m at 11-13% or so on rotor but all the other numbers are spot on. I never ran so much tail expo but now I can actually do tail down tictocs perfectly so I guess I should have increased that a long time ago. I am now running 700mm Rapid main blades.. I prefer them to the 690 SAB’s and lowered my max headspeed to 2000. Feels awesome for me, and I love the “classic” blade sound better. It auto’s noticeably longer too.
If you’re using Ikon or something else these number might be much different. Now I need to email him again to get the numbers for the Nitro RAW that shamefully has been sitting in its box unbuilt for 4 months
Thanks for the info. I am running vbar neo express. So I don’t think I can adjust the pid’s separately. I have both tail & head gains down to 55 now and it still has the wag/wobble. I am running 2000 rpm headspeed. I have 9 flights on it now. But still can’t unleash the beast. The tail feels smooth with no binding
Sweet. Could it be the tail belt tension causing the wobble?
Thanks! Yeah, the tail belt tension is where it needs to be according to the manual
@@thercelementheliedition5716 try to loosen it a tad bit.
Did you find the problem? Mine was doing the same thing I adjusted the tail belt and it went away.
No. Still have it with my head & tail gains down to 55. Did you make the tail belt tighter or looser? My tail belt tightness is where it needs to be according to the manual. Thanks!
I went a little looser on the belt it took a lot of the load on the tail drive train off and it stop doing the up and down wobble my tail was fine. After 10 hard flights or so it's been nice. I see your flying in cold weather it also plays a parts in breaking everything in.
Tail gain to high you will do 45 or 50 % maybe good 👍
Thanks buddy! Yeah, watch the video I released after this one and I explain what i did wrong. I’m pretty dumb lol
I suggest you lower the tail gain on the vbar
I’m down to 60 now. Still doing it. I will keep going till I can’t go anymore. Thanks!
@@thercelementheliedition5716 ok I think 55 should be fine ... let me know if it's better !!!
@@daviderocchi3549 Waiting for some warmer weather to get another flight. Is it normal for 700 size heli gains to be that low? I think my 770 was around 70 on head and tail gains.
@@thercelementheliedition5716 yes you are right it is a low value but it seems to vibrate only as you turn the tail, so if you have everything right you have to find the right setting of the vbar. I advise you in small steps.
@@daviderocchi3549 i’m down to 55 on tail & head gains now and it’s still doing it. I will try 50 next 🤙
definately gov gain is too high lower the gove gain and it will be fine
Head gain an tail gains still too high
Yeah, I will keep dropping them slowly and see what happens
@@thercelementheliedition5716 My Goblins typically land around 45-50 on tail gain, head around 55 ish... Spiriit, NEO and IKON, seems about the same. One on VBAR TX, The rest on Spektrum TX.
@@jonreed1257 oh ok wow. Didn’t realize those low numbers are normal. I thought mine was too low in the 60s. I will keep taking them lower and see what happens. All my other helis are in the 70-80s I believe. Thanks!
I have several Raw’s. Head gain comes down to around 50 at 2k rpm. And leave in the optimizer and let the auto optimize for a bit.
Thanks buddy! Yeah, watch the video I released after this one and I explain what i did wrong. I’m pretty dumb lol