seriously we had chickens and even at 9 years old they were still laying enough eggs for my mom and me. The chickens foraged for themselves, so we didn't have to feed them a lot of chicken feed.
instead of just a reg. box use a styrofoam cooler and styrofoam peanuts. would work the same if not better. On youtube you can find patterns for wonder boxes which is an upgrade of the hay box.
Its a great idea for an emergency or a very tight budget but I bought a nice one thats a nice enclosed little case the size of a large pot. its fantastic and travels easily for camping or a day trip. just heat to temperature and put it in its case. 4 6 8 or even 12 hrs later its still hot! i love it
My daughter loves this show and learns alot about the past and how hard it is and starts to wish she was at her grandparents. She never really liked social studies butn when she needs to learn anything about Britain she immediately wajts to watch wartime farm.:)
Kudos to farmer Alfred Roberts for accepting Black farm worker Amelia King. Fairness prevailed, and I'm happy she was well treated by the other workers as well.
I would have thought goats would be ideal as they eat everything, produce a decent amount of milk, can live in the less productive lands (like hills and moors) and are good for meat.
Compare and contrast this series to the Green Valley or Tudor Monastery Farm series - where livestock got very, very little if any grain. And that was usually what they got off the fields after harvest, or was spilled during winnowing. None of these animal ate cereal grains before domestication. None of these animals were fed much, if any, grain prior to the mechanization of farming. Returning to the breeds and methods used prior to the Industrial Revolution would have made the most sense. Many people today raise beef, diary cattle, goats, sheep and other livestock with no grain at all. Done right, with the right stock, they THRIVE.
Watching all of the innovation, cooperation, and sacrifice necessary to survive the war, I can't help but wonder what would America do if circumstances were similar today?
Now what worries me is even in 1940 they forgot how to make do with "old ways" of surviving so can you imagine now in 2017? Most folks freak out if they don't have air conditioning or bottled water!
All I can say is that the peelings of the veggies and fruits, the unused bits and pieces could either be used for making jams and jellies or used to feed all the pigs and possible composting it.
you're so right. i wonder if that really was done by farmers who lived through the war and just wasn't done during this "re-enactment" sort of series. using the peels and bits in those ways seems like it would occur naturally to a (real) farmer.
It's equally stupid not to safeguard a nation by encouraging her self-sufficiency. When the war hit England, the majority of her food was imported. England took action out of necessity, and likely wouldn't have otherwise. I think it would have been easier on England's people, all around, if farming the kind of crops that became necessary during the war had been done beforehand. They wouldn't have had to work SO hard with techniques and crops that were somewhat new, and resourceful methods would have come more easily. That's not to say that their efforts aren't clear - England's farm folk saw the entire country through, and in a way, they're the unsung heroes of WWII.
Is it just me or does Alex never do any actual physical work in these series? Does a lot of talking, but it seems to be Peter that does all the hard work. Maybe it's just how they edit it.
Jan Soule I think a lot of it is in the editing - they kind of have a reverse Laurel and Hardy thing going. Did anyone notice the scene as they are preparing to survey the field, where Peter swings around with the long survey stick over his shoulder just as Alex bends down to pick something up off the ground - a la Charlie Chaplin ? And the bit where Alex hops the closed gate and continues walking and talking with Peter on the other side of the gate with all the equipment ? They seem to like portraying Peter as the guy that does the dog's body's share of the grunt work. Alex ( now Dr. Alex Langlands) is now a regular on Time Team.
Alex has a bad back. So, he invited Peter "Fonz" to join in the first series "Tales of the green valley". That's why Peter has to do all the hard work. He looks like he can handle it, though, and he looks good doing it :)
It's interesting that the debate of growing grains for human vs animal consumption is going on today, without the stress of war. This is of the main ideas behind the environmental movement, encouraging people to eat more whole grains and vegetables over meat, and in doing so being able to feed more people in a healthy manner.
Lana Carmichael I don't actually butter my bread, most of my butter I use for cooking, but I don't fry much, and I often use rendered fat like bacon grease to cook things like potatoes. I don't bake very much though and that's a good point, people would have baked a lot more back then and I'm sure that's where these restrictions would have been crippling.
Lana Carmichael No, I didn't take your comments as rude, and I appreciated your points. Believe me, on youtube, I've seen more then my fair share of rude comments and so I usually take comments as neutral unless they're actually calling me names :D
I know this is an old comment, but it made me think of something my mother did when I was growing up. She was born in Germany just before WWII started and grew up in the aftermath. Her family didn't have much money and there wasn't much meat available. They were fortunate enough to have goats, but they sold the milk, butter and cheese rather than use it themselves. What her mother, my Oma, would do was collect the sauce left in the pan after making a roast. As you likely know this was mostly grease from the meat and it would congeal when it cooled. Now it sounds gross, but she would spread this on rye bread and that's what they frequently ate for breakfast. I remember eating this when I was a little boy, too. Dad was a soldier and there were five kids mom had to feed on a pretty small income, you see. Anyway, as unhealthy as it sounds, there is quite a bit of nutrition in that sort of food and it stays edible for little while. No sense wasting it.
Later on in this series (the episode where the dance for victory is held), someone says "you can tell the Americans are in town". It's not clear to me what's meant by that, but it's said with mild disdain. Then (with reference to Americans), there's the comment that they brought with them to England their social prejudices. The case of Amelia King in this episode proves that's not true and that social prejudices were firmly in place before the Americans showed up. It always strikes me as ignorant when England/USA points fingers at one another. Need i remind anyone that America (as it's known) was begun by cast-offs from England?
i intended to reply to a comment i received, which i now don't see (??). in response to it: thank you, both for the correction (re: the Brits not being "castoffs") and the information (re: the Irish as slave imports). my original point still stands, however. the British often look down their noses at Americans while completely forgetting that (non-Native) Americans began as British settlers. So, during WWII, the Americans did not "bring their social prejudices" to Britain...they just brought them BACK.
My guess is that anything they killed the owner had planned on slaughtering anyway. The rest of the animals they got rid of were probably just kept on a a part of the farm the show didn't take place on, or were kept on a different farm altogether.
The green new leaves of Ash and Elm as well as other species would be harvested from ladders and dried like hay for winter. It has been practiced since medieval times. I am sure some smart farmers used this method during the war.
GeorgeMonet In one of the Farm series they do cover the topic of tree hay. I think Alex and Peter try their hand at getting to the tips and cutting them for fodder. Must be The Edwardian Farm.
well told,by BBC,WOW,yes in 37-39 the tall gentleman from London were getting 75% off food to the market from cheaper stock over seas, pluming down the prices so low that English farmers did not take care from its own land and farmers in Scotland and Ireland ,- haw about them.?. Most were starving. The government do not give a F..K about farmers,and other people on the lower shelf's. So a little true story here by BBC, they did put it in here genteelly. TH
I do understand what they say about black marketing, but I don't like or agree with it. It's the same me first attitude that has always stuffed us up. If there had been none, and food had been shared really fairly it would have been easier for everyone.
Who exactly wrote all the pamphlets and booklets from the Ministry of Food (or other government agencies)? Were they experienced farmers, or scientists, or just government bureaucrats? In America, we would laugh at a government publication telling farmers how to farm. Also, that Mark Roodhouse is a charming little con artist. LOL
There were "experimental farms" where they tried to research farming on a scientific level ... at least in victorian times. If those were still in use at the time I dont really know, but that would be the people I would expect to write such pamphlets. If you HAD TO supply the food for an entire nation with MUCH less farming space you have in the USA, it actually makes sense to "tell the farmers to stop producing meat" ... because it is NECESSARY ... and if "you guys in the USA" would be laughing at that NECESSITY then you are the people who made others starve. Oh and - in case you didnt listen to what they said - they had mostly given up on crop production in the UK because of cheaper imports ... and HAD TO LEARN FARMING AGAIN. So those pamphlets were necessary and good! Maybe not for everyone, but there would have been many farmers without the experience of crop farming.
i can see the practicality of eating organ meats, but i could never get used to them. i don't like them, myself. people like you would fare a little better than i in a poverty (or war-stricken) situation, i think.
I was born in the 50's in Canada and grew up eating beef heart liver and tongue and also sweet bread. never liked liver until I started cooking it myself. the old ways of cooking are a big improvement over what they serve today.
Gb couldnt get food like potatos from ireland because ireland was not in the war neutral...and almost allyed with germany over the n ireland issue even back then.
So the fact that it's illegal, and that you are feeding off someone else's ration and they go without, means no-never-mind to you? I wouldn't help you in a time of distress because of this! Without a support network you wouldn't last very long.
10:52 The first rule for pig club is that you do not talk about pig club.
seriously we had chickens and even at 9 years old they were still laying enough eggs for my mom and me. The chickens foraged for themselves, so we didn't have to feed them a lot of chicken feed.
Love the 'Haybox' at 26mins. FANTASTIC idea. I will keep this on file for camping/ powder outage
instead of just a reg. box use a styrofoam cooler and styrofoam peanuts. would work the same if not better.
On youtube you can find patterns for wonder boxes which is an upgrade of the hay box.
I was thinking of using quilt batting. Cleaner and machine wash and dry when needed.
This hay box seems to work almost like a modern slow cooker.
Its a great idea for an emergency or a very tight budget but I bought a nice one thats a nice enclosed little case the size of a large pot. its fantastic and travels easily for camping or a day trip. just heat to temperature and put it in its case. 4 6 8 or even 12 hrs later its still hot! i love it
The heat it has to keep to cook all the food - way too hot for Styrofoam.
It would just melt.
My daughter loves this show and learns alot about the past and how hard it is and starts to wish she was at her grandparents. She never really liked social studies butn when she needs to learn anything about Britain she immediately wajts to watch wartime farm.:)
Fantastic series. I wish this team would do a series in America. Thank you for uploading!
Kudos to farmer Alfred Roberts for accepting Black farm worker Amelia King. Fairness prevailed, and I'm happy she was well treated by the other workers as well.
I would have thought goats would be ideal as they eat everything, produce a decent amount of milk, can live in the less productive lands (like hills and moors) and are good for meat.
Shie H. They did keep and breed rabbits for food as well . Its not talked about in this show, but it did happen and was a thing.
Compare and contrast this series to the Green Valley or Tudor Monastery Farm series - where livestock got very, very little if any grain. And that was usually what they got off the fields after harvest, or was spilled during winnowing. None of these animal ate cereal grains before domestication. None of these animals were fed much, if any, grain prior to the mechanization of farming. Returning to the breeds and methods used prior to the Industrial Revolution would have made the most sense.
Many people today raise beef, diary cattle, goats, sheep and other livestock with no grain at all. Done right, with the right stock, they THRIVE.
Watching all of the innovation, cooperation, and sacrifice necessary to survive the war, I can't help but wonder what would America do if circumstances were similar today?
Nothing is wasted. Perfect!
Peter = my strong, intelligent, handsome, brave and funny hero!
He even has the superman curl on his forehead!
nope id keep my doggie come hell or highwater!!!
Fascinating show! I'm enjoying the series so far.
Now what worries me is even in 1940 they forgot how to make do with "old ways" of surviving so can you imagine now in 2017? Most folks freak out if they don't have air conditioning or bottled water!
Dog would be guard the farm a alarm
All I can say is that the peelings of the veggies and fruits, the unused bits and pieces could either be used for making jams and jellies or used to feed all the pigs and possible composting it.
It seems stupid to get rid of the pigs, which will eat almost anything, and then expect the farmers to go without meat.
you're so right. i wonder if that really was done by farmers who lived through the war and just wasn't done during this "re-enactment" sort of series. using the peels and bits in those ways seems like it would occur naturally to a (real) farmer.
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Keep watching. At one point, it seems more like a soviet state than England.
It's equally stupid not to safeguard a nation by encouraging her self-sufficiency. When the war hit England, the majority of her food was imported. England took action out of necessity, and likely wouldn't have otherwise.
I think it would have been easier on England's people, all around, if farming the kind of crops that became necessary during the war had been done beforehand. They wouldn't have had to work SO hard with techniques and crops that were somewhat new, and resourceful methods would have come more easily.
That's not to say that their efforts aren't clear - England's farm folk saw the entire country through, and in a way, they're the unsung heroes of WWII.
+qhsperson Pigs eat a lot and the meat was less valuable than the cereals because cereals will keep more people fed for longer.
a Wonderful series!
Pretty thick slices of the good meat. I usually eat less than one of them.
Wonder why they didn't use a pressure cooker when canning?
How poinant profound BBC this is most excellent
my grandfarther rased hens in his back yard,,,good video
Is it just me or does Alex never do any actual physical work in these series? Does a lot of talking, but it seems to be Peter that does all the hard work. Maybe it's just how they edit it.
I think they do it on purpose to be funny now. I was noticing during the surveying scene the editing was almost comical.
Peter and Ruth are the hardest workers.
Jan Soule I think a lot of it is in the editing - they kind of have a reverse Laurel and Hardy thing going. Did anyone notice the scene as they are preparing to survey the field, where Peter swings around with the long survey stick over his shoulder just as Alex bends down to pick something up off the ground - a la Charlie Chaplin ? And the bit where Alex hops the closed gate and continues walking and talking with Peter on the other side of the gate with all the equipment ? They seem to like portraying Peter as the guy that does the dog's body's share of the grunt work. Alex ( now Dr. Alex Langlands) is now a regular on Time Team.
Alex has a bad back. So, he invited Peter "Fonz" to join in the first series "Tales of the green valley". That's why Peter has to do all the hard work.
He looks like he can handle it, though, and he looks good doing it :)
They mention that he has a back injury in one series. I wonder if that is why.
I wonder if the outside skin was rationed as well.If not it can be rendered down to make lard. I make mine own that way.
The farm was not on the grid. So no fridge, but would a normal farm have ice boxes to keep things longer than sitting in just a cool spot?
Ice box?
Maybe, but prob not a lot of ice around and the box's do get hot inside if not cooled or kept cool in hot months.
Maybe a root cellar to keep things cool?
You can have "cold storage" without ice. You just need to build a special room for it and most buildings probably had that.
It's interesting that the debate of growing grains for human vs animal consumption is going on today, without the stress of war. This is of the main ideas behind the environmental movement, encouraging people to eat more whole grains and vegetables over meat, and in doing so being able to feed more people in a healthy manner.
Is this in HD or Blue Ray perhaps? I just started watching this. Thanks for sharing.
American GI's who had access to plane fuel would strain it through bread to get the alcohol out and make jungle juice.
"Can you imagine trying to manage on that much butter per week?"
That looks like more butter then I eat in a couple months.
Do you cook with yours? Fry, bake ect.
Not just butter toast.
Thy didn't use spray oils ect. And keeping in mind animal fat was null and void
Lana Carmichael I don't actually butter my bread, most of my butter I use for cooking, but I don't fry much, and I often use rendered fat like bacon grease to cook things like potatoes. I don't bake very much though and that's a good point, people would have baked a lot more back then and I'm sure that's where these restrictions would have been crippling.
Sorry if that came across a little rude, wasnt meant to.
Lana Carmichael No, I didn't take your comments as rude, and I appreciated your points. Believe me, on youtube, I've seen more then my fair share of rude comments and so I usually take comments as neutral unless they're actually calling me names :D
I know this is an old comment, but it made me think of something my mother did when I was growing up. She was born in Germany just before WWII started and grew up in the aftermath. Her family didn't have much money and there wasn't much meat available. They were fortunate enough to have goats, but they sold the milk, butter and cheese rather than use it themselves. What her mother, my Oma, would do was collect the sauce left in the pan after making a roast. As you likely know this was mostly grease from the meat and it would congeal when it cooled. Now it sounds gross, but she would spread this on rye bread and that's what they frequently ate for breakfast. I remember eating this when I was a little boy, too. Dad was a soldier and there were five kids mom had to feed on a pretty small income, you see. Anyway, as unhealthy as it sounds, there is quite a bit of nutrition in that sort of food and it stays edible for little while. No sense wasting it.
Dang Mark's kinda cute. :)
black market boy is kinda hot.
Good music too!
Later on in this series (the episode where the dance for victory is held), someone says "you can tell the Americans are in town". It's not clear to me what's meant by that, but it's said with mild disdain.
Then (with reference to Americans), there's the comment that they brought with them to England their social prejudices.
The case of Amelia King in this episode proves that's not true and that social prejudices were firmly in place before the Americans showed up.
It always strikes me as ignorant when England/USA points fingers at one another. Need i remind anyone that America (as it's known) was begun by cast-offs from England?
i intended to reply to a comment i received, which i now don't see (??).
in response to it: thank you, both for the correction (re: the Brits not being "castoffs") and the information (re: the Irish as slave imports).
my original point still stands, however. the British often look down their noses at Americans while completely forgetting that (non-Native) Americans began as British settlers. So, during WWII, the Americans did not "bring their social prejudices" to Britain...they just brought them BACK.
Were they really getting rid of the owner's livestock for this series?
My guess is that anything they killed the owner had planned on slaughtering anyway. The rest of the animals they got rid of were probably just kept on a a part of the farm the show didn't take place on, or were kept on a different farm altogether.
Benjamin Grist
Thanks for your response.
they probably just moved them to another farm.
I very much doubt it, just moved them out
Of course not. That's why we never see the animals being slaughtered or see them preserving a large amount of meat.
they were getting ridd of the sheep not the goats
What about tree hay for the cows?
Wasnt a "thing" back then.
tree hay? what's tree hay? is it exactly what it sounds like??
The green new leaves of Ash and Elm as well as other species would be harvested from ladders and dried like hay for winter. It has been practiced since medieval times. I am sure some smart farmers used this method during the war.
GeorgeMonet In one of the Farm series they do cover the topic of tree hay. I think Alex and Peter try their hand at getting to the tips and cutting them for fodder. Must be The Edwardian Farm.
It was in one of the other farm series they did. I can't remember if it was Eduardian Farm or Monastery Farm.
well told,by BBC,WOW,yes in 37-39 the tall gentleman from London were getting 75% off food to the market from cheaper stock over seas, pluming down the prices so low that English farmers did not take care from its own land and farmers in Scotland and Ireland ,- haw about them.?. Most were starving. The government do not give a F..K about farmers,and other people on the lower shelf's. So a little true story here by BBC, they did put it in here genteelly. TH
I do understand what they say about black marketing, but I don't like or agree with it. It's the same me first attitude that has always stuffed us up. If there had been none, and food had been shared really fairly it would have been easier for everyone.
20:13 Food Rationing! That's how we get rid of the obesity epidemic!
Who exactly wrote all the pamphlets and booklets from the Ministry of Food (or other government agencies)? Were they experienced farmers, or scientists, or just government bureaucrats? In America, we would laugh at a government publication telling farmers how to farm.
Also, that Mark Roodhouse is a charming little con artist. LOL
Scientists took the lead on the MoF literature.
There were "experimental farms" where they tried to research farming on a scientific level ... at least in victorian times. If those were still in use at the time I dont really know, but that would be the people I would expect to write such pamphlets.
If you HAD TO supply the food for an entire nation with MUCH less farming space you have in the USA, it actually makes sense to "tell the farmers to stop producing meat" ... because it is NECESSARY ... and if "you guys in the USA" would be laughing at that NECESSITY then you are the people who made others starve. Oh and - in case you didnt listen to what they said - they had mostly given up on crop production in the UK because of cheaper imports ... and HAD TO LEARN FARMING AGAIN. So those pamphlets were necessary and good! Maybe not for everyone, but there would have been many farmers without the experience of crop farming.
I like kidneys and liver.
i can see the practicality of eating organ meats, but i could never get used to them. i don't like them, myself.
people like you would fare a little better than i in a poverty (or war-stricken) situation, i think.
I could handle eating kidney and liver. Don't eat it often but, liver and onions? Pretty awesome!
I like liver and kidney but not straight up...I like them mixed in other stuff.
I was born in the 50's in Canada and grew up eating beef heart liver and tongue and also sweet bread. never liked liver until I started cooking it myself. the old ways of cooking are a big improvement over what they serve today.
grandma lynda how do you prefer to cook your liver? I prefer using a seasoned cast iron skillet with lots of onions!
Gb couldnt get food like potatos from ireland because ireland was not in the war neutral...and almost allyed with germany over the n ireland issue even back then.
I would have no problem buying off the black market. After canning i would be coming home with plenty.
So the fact that it's illegal, and that you are feeding off someone else's ration and they go without, means no-never-mind to you? I wouldn't help you in a time of distress because of this!
Without a support network you wouldn't last very long.
You would when you were prosecuted and/or shunned by your neighbours for breaking rationing laws/being unfair on the rest.
if you could get the sugar, you could do canning without it you have a lot of fruits and veg going bad. even pickles take sugar.