DIY Solar - MagnaSine Inverter /Charger - Product Review
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A review of my new 24v DC 4000w pure sine 120v\240v AC inverter/charger with remote control. Model numbers MS4024PAE and MS-ARC. The unit itself will produce 120/240v AC output and take in 120/240v AC input. Also, has an automatic transfer switch built in.
Here is the latest schematic of my system, 1 Visio diagram and a jpeg image.
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Yes, that's how the pass through works. The inverter is programed to sense when the power is out. My transfer switch acting as a sub panel has the circuits connected that I want running during an outage, the switches are already flipped so that when the power goes out, the inverter automatically switches from pass through to battery to power those circuits at the xfer switch or sub panel.
Thanks for your comments and your opinions. You present a possible alternative, there is no harm in that.
I haven't explored all of the feature yet, but I hope to be able to check it out eventually.
Thanks for you comments, I checked and the APC Matrix 5kVA UPS is a great system. However, new it can cost as much as or more than the MagnaSine. The one you speak of is used off of ebay for $499, I only saw one at that price. There is also one for around $1700. In truth, any Inverter system with this type of smart capability is not going to be cheap. Also, a UPS is just another type of inverter that converts DC to AC and there are many far less expensive inverters on the market than this one.
Thanks for your answer; My problem with the GTI 500 is before the fan kicks in, it is making a sharp high pitch noise (high frequency components), it is a bit covered by the fan later but it is annoying; for example compared to this, the GTI 250 or 300 are very silent
i wish i had your old inverter i would truly appreciate it :)
Love my magnum inverter mine is 48.volts. I run my home and shop all solar no power pole here just Solar. Great video
Yes, the xfer switch is acting as a sub-panel in this case and the MagnaSine is in pass-through mode passing the power from the utility to the circuits. In the event of a power interruption, the MagnaSine will go into Inverter mode to power those circuits until utility power is restored. When power is restored it will go into charging mode. It has over current protection with 2 overlapping circuits, but with a lightning strike I believe it's a 50/50 chance it can take it, I hope for the best.
Glad you liked the video. I definitely recommend this one, or one similarly made in the U.S.
So far the it's working out just fine. I'm happy with it. Well worth the money.
Very cool. Does it basically output a constant current to charge a 24v battery pack as long as you are giving it an AC input? And the AC input was the AC output earlier?
Thanks for your comments. There is only 1 AC input going into the MagnaSine, I can plug into the utility source or with the Propane Gen via modified sine inverter. I could hook the battery cables from the alternator directly to a MSW 12v inverter with appropriate watts (1200w), then plug the MagnaSine AC input into it with an extension cord. It's not pretty but it does work. The MagnaSine inverter will test the input power to determine if it's good, if so, then it will pass it to the batteries.
The GVFX3524 is an excellent system. I got the Magnum for the durability and auto transfer capability. I compared the two and decided on the Magnum as the choice for me. I can't remember, but there was something about the Outback that didn't meet my requirements at the time. But it is a good inverter.
Sorry, but it was replaced under warranty, so it's new in that respect and it's my backup in case this one gets fried for some reason. When designing a system to support an extending outage, it's good to have a backup. However, I'm sure you can find some good used ones off of ebay or craig's list.
Thanks for your comments.
I ordered the magnum 48 volt system
Cool, i believe it's going to be an excellent addition to your system.
me too
You can make it yourself, just loook and learn from inplix instructions .
gee..I wasted all this time,waiting for the count on batteries and solar panels....
Initially my 600w gti was a bit noisy but after continuously running for awhile the noise went away. Check your fan to see if that may be the culprit.
Nice that is a serious inverter. I have been wanting one those Magna Sine for long time. The price is more than I can come up with.
Dear Rhandsom,I am totally blown away with your system you designed.However,I have a question I would like you to respond to!Can i while using my grid tie inverter on battery bank,have a battery charger connected as well, simultaneously?I do run four 12,000 btu ac at night,and I would like to supplement my power consumption.
I am looking forward for your expert advise on this!
Timir.
I'm actually trying that same thing. My main goal isn't for backup. We don't have too many power outages out here. I currently bought 4 solar panels and can expanded it up to 12. I was given an Alpha 5000 watt UPS, which came with 8 batteries in the enclosures hooked up @ 48V with 200amps hours in total. I'm looking for a way to hook up the panels to the house at the same time thru the UPS charge the batteries then when the sun goes down also use up the batteries on a nightly basis.
Many thanks for your respond Rhandsom.The next question i must ask,before i import my grid tie from usa:I want to use a 12 volt battery bank,the grid tie inverter has voltage range 10.5-30v,can i use this inverter with 12v battery bank,or must i use 24v battery bank for this inverter?
Can you assist me please!
awaiting your expert advise.
Timir.
We have a Magnum 4024 (the 120 volt version) powering our off grid cabin, and it works great, very robust as you said. It can run anything, great surge capacity. I guess that is why it has a 3 year warranty and of note it is made in the US, not China. I also would recommend the remote panel for information and programming capability. Great video!
Thanks! I've been looking for a review of this inverter. It's one of 3 I'm considering (Xantrex & Apollo Solar are the others). Magnaum tech support mentioned a "threshhold" feature with the MS-ARC meter which will automatically switch the inverter to grid power when the solar panels drop below a threshold voltage. Have you explored this feature?
So far it's worked out very well, and your right they are pretty pricey, but worth it.
If i'm not connecting any ac 'in'.....can I just hardwire a power strip to the the ac 'out' side?
Magnum is saying (maybe for legal reasons) that i'd have to run 10ga out to a 15amp breaker, then to receptacles I want to use.
Brilliant, thanks for posting all this information. Spoken in true layman terms of someone who learned a lot and passed the information along to others. Thank you.
in this video you can hear it my video named "LiFePO4 Battery Bank / Solar Energy Storage System - 1" at 2/3 from the beginning when I start my inverter after a full charge of my battery bank
cool video very imformative , love ur new inverter and ur system keep us up todate good work keep it up
GREAT SYSTEM YOU GOT THERE BRO!! Thanks for sharing.
Does your 500w and 600w gti make à lot of noise ? Mine is very noisy and I was wondering if it is normal
I think you bought the best inverter made. I've researched the AIMS and, under the cover, it's a rebranded chinese copy of a copy, which sells in china for $200 then gets marked up by aims, the only thing they do. Great system engineering! I like the functionality you built in by design.
Cool video bro. Shouts from NZ.
Great system, whats next on the shopping list?? :)
I couldn't download the ISO
Hello, just wondering if the inverter can work without installing a control or does it need to have it, because I connect the inverter without it but it’s not turning on.
The inverter will work without the control. The control gives you the ability to fine tune certain perameters within the inverter. I do recommend the control, but you don't have to get one.
Very nice!
awesome!
Don't know at the moment, but I'm thinking about it. :-)
I checked out your video, and the sounds coming from your GTI sound normal to me, well it sounds similar to what mine sounds like. I don't think your GTI is defective or malfunctioning, sounds ok to me.
Check out the link in the video description of "DIY - Free Home Solar Informational CDROM - Help for those that need it." The link should work there, let me know if it doesn't.
For the "in-coming" 120vac I have it plugged into a 120v socket which is protected at the breaker panel, for the "out-going" 240vac it is going into a 30 Amp breaker tied to a transfer switch (for a sub-panel) with 2 15Amp breakers on each of the 2 legs (meaning, 2 120v pathways which are 180 degrees out of phase for 240v), from there it goes into the main breaker panel. So you can see that there is circuit protection throughout. Also, I'm hoping that you know that this is not a grid tie unit.
The remote gives you full access to the Magnum inverter. It will allow you to monitor and program the various features of the Magnum unit, such as when to come on, how to charge the batteries from the grid, or how to work in conjunction with a PV array, which is an alternative charging source as far as the magnum is concerned. These can be programmed with the remote. The remote shouldn't have anything directly to do with your MPPT. If you are getting the MagnaSine, the remote is a must have.
Yes, you can connect your inverter to a 12v or 24v battery bank. Both system voltages are within the range of the grid tie inverter. However, a 24v setup will give higher output from the inverter because it will be closest to the input limits of your inverter.
ARC50 and ME-BMK (Battery Monitor Kit) do i need both for my new 24v DC 4000w pure sine 120v\240v AC inverter/charger...Does ARC50 monitor my battery bank...Thanks
The current going into the battery bank will fluctuate according to current state of charge. Like any smart battery charger, the current will lessen as the batteries reach the point of saturation (ie. fully charged). At which time the charger will go into float mode. AC input can be 120V or 240V depending on your source. Voltage remains constant, charging amperage changes based on battery state of charge.
Thanks for your comments. Actually, it's a nervous habit that I'm trying to overcome when speaking to people in person or in a video. It's nothing regional or anything like that, it's like a stutter I suppose, just something to overcome or live with. But I'm getting better. Take Care.
Yes, you can have a standard battery charger hooked to the battery bank at the same time you use your GTI. A battery charger and a charge controller essentially do the same thing.
I agree with them, it can be done, provided your power strip has the appropriate wire guage and safety rating for what you want to do. Also, definitely include the 15 -> 30 Amp breaker in between for safety. Essentially, your coverting the Magnum to function like an ordinary inverter with the receptacles (they have the same level of protection already built-in). Also, this mimics how your house is already wired for safety.
Thanks for your comments, I'm pleased with this inverter and I'm glad I was able to provide some input for others.
Every solar installer I know will only use Magnum equipment. That was enough for me. Thanks for the video.
The Outback would've been my 2nd choice. It's an equally well built unit. Thanks.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but your ground wire looks awfully small. You may want to check the grounding requirements for that inverter to make sure you are using the proper size and also that it is properly grounded. You can learn anything from books, but you cannot replace experience. Electricity is nothing to play around with. If you were to have a fire and your insurance company was to find out you installed this yourself without a permit or inspection, then they might not cover your claim. Just something to keep in mind. Good video, I really like the inverter and have been looking at the inverter myself.
Thanks for the comment and the info. This is a very old video and I have since changed my system multiple times to include getting thicker ground wire.
Thanks for the comments. I appreciate it.
The schematic diagrams are listed in the video description for download.
Would I still need the remote if I'm running an Outback Flexmax MPPT?
Has the Magnum meet your expectation so far, any problems?
Very nice set up...!!!Some day I w have some solar-inverter back up at my house...Thanks for sharing your experience w the Magna Sine inverter....I was looking for reviews of it..good luck...!!!Hope to see more videos from your system......
Ramon Fuentes Cruz thanks for your comments, the inverter has been working for many years now, it was a good buy. Outback also has good inverters as well.
Thanks for the compliment, I do appreciate it.
Thanks for your comment.
First of all thank you for posting your system , On RUclips. I hope you post another one as well, as you use your system down the road. Your Magnum inverter is my second choice, because of its 240 capability. My first choice would be outback, but I'm Seriously considering the Magnum inverter system. As it is also built in the United States. And also a little cheaper than the Outback system. I look forward to more reviews from you here on RUclips. Again thank you for your presentation. Neil
Thanks for the comments. My MagnaSine inverter had been working fine thus far. Outbacks are good as well, I didn't go with them because of the 120vac limitation.
My choice was the opposite and am glad I purchased a Magnum. Looking into the midnight solar and outback equipment, they seemed the opposite of simplicity. They sure look cool though.
No problem.
I bought one of these not long ago. I'm still trying to figure out how to put it together and use it. I've talked to a friend of mine, who is an electrician by trade, and I am hoping to get him to help me put it together.
hrdknox2000 It's worked for me almost 3 1/2 years. Hope it works out for you.
+rhandsom I have the 4024s 4000watts 120volts, how can I use the charger function without the remote? I am afraid it will malfunction since our utility is running on 240volts, planning to run it with a transformer 240v-120v at 3000watts avr, will it charge my 24volts battery bank? Actually I'm using transformer because this magnum inverter only can supply 120 volts, most of my appliances are 240v rating..Its an excellent inverter I found in a second hand store the electrician said its for 120volts used only..but its nice for a $100 purchase...thanks..I enjoyed watching your videos. ...
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Nice good choice I install solar systems and I really love to work with these like you said it's not the cheapest inverter but it is the best I really be leave you on it because it is my experience with these
Thanks for the comments. It's worked well for me so far.
All my customers are happy with it so far snot very much or hardly any maintainance so far I hardly get any calls or hear ppl say they don't like them I mostly hear ppl say expensive but good quality inverter
I am getting ready to set up my magnasine ms4024ae post hurricane Joaquin in the Bahamas. Will the remote allow me to program the system to use my solar panels to charge my batteries, then run loads in the subpanel while the sun is shining, then switch to battery power, then switch to grid when the batteries are at 80%? Rinse and repeat daily? Great vid, many thanks!
+Mary C (White Eyelashes) Thanks for your question. The remote will allow you program the MagnaSine to utilize solar and grid. The solar panels will charge the battery via the Charge Controller as normal, To run your loads during this time from your battery bank, the inverter must be running in "inverter mode" and not pulling power from the grid to pass-through to the loads, the remote also allows you to program when the inverter/charger starts "bulk" charging the battery bank, you can set it to the voltage that indicates that your battery bank is at 80% SOC. At which time, if the Magnasine is connected to the utility, it will begin to recharge your batteries. The remote allows for different settings that may meet your needs. There is a setting that will allow you to set "when, as in time-of-day", your Magnasine will connect to the utility to allow power to pass-through to your loads and disconnect from the utility to get power from the battery bank. I believe you may be referring to that option.
+rhandsom thanks! So I can program the inverter to shut off grid power during the peak solar hours and power my subpanel loads off the inverter? That's what I'm aiming for. Live off batteries and panels from, say 10am to 5pm. Doable? Automatically?
Specifically, there are 2 settings 1.) AC In - Time, 2.) AC In - VDC. "AC In - Time" is when you want utility power based on Time, "AC In - VDC" is when you want utility power based on the Voltage of your batteries. These settings make things automatic. These settings are also laid out pretty well in the manual. I have mine set to the "automatic" AC In setting, to pass through power until there is a grid outage, then automatically re-connect when the grid returns.
+rhandsom got it! Thanks so much for the vid and your replies!
No problem, take care.
Nice video, but I've never heard anybody say "ok" more times in such a short period. I counted 71 "ok's" in 16 minutes for an average of 4.4375 "ok's" per minute. I counted 31 "ok's" in the first 6 minutes alone. Is that a regional thing? I'm not bustin' on you, just curious why so many "ok's" in such a shot period?
Corne Torres I’m not super familiar with the Magnasine. I use Schneider Electric inverters in my system. But I don’t believe the Magnasine has any way to control it or program the parameters without the remote.