The Abandoned Vehicle Test Laboratory - TRL Crowthorne - Past Present & Future

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  • Опубликовано: 29 ноя 2024

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  • @timmarotto
    @timmarotto 11 месяцев назад +199

    Back in the 80s when I was 15 or so, I was lucky enough to score 2 weeks' work experience here in their graphics department. The boss there was a guy called Ted Briggs, and he was a legend. He took me around the test track in his Audi 100 and arranged for me to observe a test collision where they were testing car vs motorbike and measuring the damage to motorcyclists' legs with and without metal guards.
    The crash test was the bike hitting the side of the car at an angle of 30 degrees or so. The motorcycle was on a trolley which was towed to a point where the trolley stopped dead, and the motorbike carried on 'Ghostie' style into the side of the car. Both the car and bike were towed by the same Land Rover using cables and pulleys. They worked out the ratios so the bike was going twice as fast as the car, and they met at an exact point. It was fascinating and very loud when they collided.
    While I was walking down a corridor, I also bumped into William Woolard who was there a the time filming something for Top Gear. Such a fantastic experience for a 15 year old kid. They even took me to the pub with them one lunchtime.

    • @richardhaywood4123
      @richardhaywood4123 11 месяцев назад +3

      Sounds a great experience!

    • @stevekelly5166
      @stevekelly5166 11 месяцев назад +15

      Pub. When that was normal. Then go back and do the other half of your shift, then drive home.

    • @brantnuttall
      @brantnuttall 11 месяцев назад +1

      Happy days!

    • @wertrocks123
      @wertrocks123 11 месяцев назад +1

      Quality memories haha

    • @Lazy_Tim
      @Lazy_Tim 11 месяцев назад +2

      Did they buy you a pint?

  • @pauldanks9878
    @pauldanks9878 11 месяцев назад +155

    They shot a lot of film and TV here too to avoid filming on public roads. You can often recognise which ones from the large amount of pine trees alongside the roads.

    • @balfronsocialclub4290
      @balfronsocialclub4290 11 месяцев назад +29

      I worked on a film there about twenty years ago, in which we raced a Ferrari and a Yamaha R1, which we later blew up. I arrived there an hour early and thrashed my car round the track. It was only a Citroen ZX diesel, but I honestly don't think I have ever had more fun behind the wheel of a car! So sad to see it abandoned and neglected like this.

    • @thepainter3575
      @thepainter3575 11 месяцев назад +3

      What's the movie called

    • @jdb47games
      @jdb47games 11 месяцев назад +13

      The Sweeney (episode with Morecombe & Wise), Tales From The Crypt (Death following on motorcycle), Derren Brown's Trick or Treat....those are the ones I can think of. There must be umpteen others.

    • @MartinE63
      @MartinE63 11 месяцев назад +13

      The Millbrook Proving Ground in Bedfordshire, a much bigger facility also with lots of pine trees alongside the roads features in several films as well as many Top Gear episodes.

    • @barspeed
      @barspeed 11 месяцев назад +3

      Splitting Heirs was filmed here, John Cleese and Rick Moranis

  • @edwinchappell2153
    @edwinchappell2153 9 месяцев назад +1

    So sad to see it run down. I went to a TRRL open day with my parents when I was a schoolboy and the thing that amazed me most was travelling on a driverless bus. It really stood out from everything else to me.

  • @richykins
    @richykins 10 месяцев назад +3

    I remember seeing an artic hurtling towards me at warp speed thinking I was about to meet my maker, then watched it glide away around the banking - which I didn’t know was there at the time. I ended up working there for a few years. It was a fascinating place and it employed some legends over the years. The social club was brilliant and served the cheapest beer around.

  • @markhaynes9923
    @markhaynes9923 11 месяцев назад +9

    I used to visit the TRL site each year for the GTI international day which was held there in the 90s. Lots of fun.

    • @Cowley46
      @Cowley46 11 месяцев назад

      Me too. Have great memories of that event.

  • @BeanoMark
    @BeanoMark 11 месяцев назад +86

    If you find yourself in Northern Ireland, some of the DeLorean test road still exists in Belfast where the factory used to be. I wouldn’t say it’ll be worth it going over there especially for it, but wanted to mention it.

    • @Ulstermanlosr
      @Ulstermanlosr 11 месяцев назад +7

      During construction of the DeLorean factory, my dad worked on it as a contractor, he took me for a spin around the test track in his old Bedford van one Saturday when nobody was about, very exciting, I was probably around 10 at the time.

    • @RangieNZ
      @RangieNZ 11 месяцев назад +13

      Just don't go over 88mph...

    • @willtricks9432
      @willtricks9432 11 месяцев назад +3

      Does it have the Clock tower?

    • @John_Wood_
      @John_Wood_ 11 месяцев назад

      Is it still accessible? I thought it was not in private hands and closed to the public.

    • @jocopro1985
      @jocopro1985 11 месяцев назад

      shirakawa irl😢

  • @johnabbitt690
    @johnabbitt690 11 месяцев назад +57

    Another great video! My job is to survey roads with vans outfitted with lasers. TRL are the company who have to accredit the vehicles I've worked on. So every year we would visit the TRL test track and drive around the main loop at different speeds while surveying, 20.40.60 & 80kph. Then, to represent everyday roads, we would drive around and survey what was referred to as the small road network. If everything went well, TRL would give the vehicles the OK for another year. It's a little bit sad to see it all disappear. They often hired out the site to TV and film production companies. As I've been there so often, I can usually recognise when they have filmed something there. World War Z and 28 Days Later both filmed on the larger loop. The old AA commercial with Vinnie Jones running through the woods was filmed at the small road network. Keep up the good work!

    • @blowmyhorn
      @blowmyhorn 11 месяцев назад +2

      I worked on that project (HARRIS)...as a fresh out of Uni graduate. Also used to help out with FWD, Deflectograph and SCRIM acceptance testing.

    • @corroded
      @corroded 11 месяцев назад

      Any idea what bits of 28 days later and world war z?

    • @johnabbitt690
      @johnabbitt690 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@corroded Yep. The straight bit of road on the large loop running west towards the skid pan had three lanes and looked like a stretch of motorway. It also had a simple gantry over it. I think this is where they built the entrance to the camp run by army guys near the end of 28 Days Later.
      World War Z, when they escape Glasgow, sorry New York 😄, and pull over in the RV and have an argument. They're having the argument in Bracknell.

  • @gerryg1056
    @gerryg1056 11 месяцев назад +33

    Test tracks do still exist (albeit run by the motor industry either privately or as a group) we have at least three within 35 miles of where I live MIRA near Nuneaton, Millbrook and Gaydon, I've been inside the "ring of steel" many times collecting or delivering development vehicles and I'm pretty sure the government use them on a contract basis for ongoing roads research. Such is the modern world, get rid of expensive infrastructure to pay even more for outside contractors.

    • @willtricks9432
      @willtricks9432 11 месяцев назад +1

      My eldest son did his Landrover mechanic course at Gaydon, enrolment day offered a full circuit in the back of a Defender to anyone Jumped in and at one point on the down hill traction part I looked out the sunroof and could see another Defender doing 100 plus on the banked circuit.

    • @juststeve5542
      @juststeve5542 11 месяцев назад

      Yup, Ford have one at Dunton just off the A127 near Basildon in Essex.

    • @MrFlazz99
      @MrFlazz99 11 месяцев назад

      I've just learned something - always thought that TRL and MIRA were just different names for the same beast, seeing as they do the same kind of work. Always harbored a desire to drive round a high-speed loop, ever since childhood - even wrote to 'Jim'll Fix It' around 1980 to ask for a 'fix it' (but never heard back - can't imagine why...).

  • @cuddlepaws4423
    @cuddlepaws4423 8 месяцев назад +2

    I like watching this channel. I love how he finds all these tucked away places along with their sometimes peculiar names and all the history that goes with them. It shows the history of this country from Roman times onwards. A real treasure of a channel.👍👍

  • @pfield39
    @pfield39 11 месяцев назад +30

    As a local I went there to participate in an experiment in the late 70s, involved a driving simulator, film based I think, concerning motorway carriageway painted markings. Was quite a novel experience I seem to remember assessing the visibility of those following distance chevrons you see occasionally. Flown over it regularly and observed it over the past 50 years from when it was thriving until it fell into disuse and the concrete pan and other facilities started to disappear. I live about 2 miles away, the inevitable housing development looks quite reasonable and they seem to have made a good job of the rest of the site, you've prompted me to go and have a wander round, thanks.

    • @paulyouphone2793
      @paulyouphone2793 11 месяцев назад +2

      ... "prompted to go have a wander.." - make sure you take your video camera and keep us updated!

  • @fighne
    @fighne 11 месяцев назад +11

    I worked at TRL for a short time when the test track was still in use, part of the original buildings were used to film Officer and a gentleman. There was also an in joke which had a picture taken of it where a test driver had rigged the throttle of a London Double decker bus and it was running around the banked circuit with him sat in the front seats on the top deck.

  • @EdwardMason9000
    @EdwardMason9000 6 месяцев назад +2

    TRL Crowthorne used to be the site for one of the Broadmoor sirens, a series of 13 sirens surrounding the Broadmoor Hospital designed to alert local residents if a dangerous patient has escaped.
    The sirens were commissioned in the '50s and slowly stopped being used throughout the 2010's. They used to be tested regularly on 10am on Mondays but most of the sirens have been removed now, with one louder siren still existing at the hospital itself.

  • @pauldonatantonio7785
    @pauldonatantonio7785 11 месяцев назад +2

    00:04:55 Can't believe you didn't lift the lid!

  • @CliffordDive
    @CliffordDive Месяц назад

    I worked at what was then called TRRL in the mid-seventies The site was in its full glory then. I worked on projects studying pneumatic capsule pipelines and the Freightliner container network. Great to be reminded of those days.

  • @MookVideos
    @MookVideos 11 месяцев назад +23

    A decade ago myself and a couple of friends clambered over the nearly non-existent chainlink fence around the site and had a wander around whilst it was still an active facility - had a good look at all the crash test stuff dotted around the building you highlighted as well as some of the roads. It was a rainy winter Sunday and nobody was around unsurprisingly. I know some of my friends also explored the main set of buildings after they left the site and before it was demolished.

  • @sarkybugger5009
    @sarkybugger5009 11 месяцев назад +30

    I think the "window in the road" was for recording the footprint of the tyre as it ran, and to see the water dispersion characteristics of different tread patterns.

    • @jeremywilliams5107
      @jeremywilliams5107 11 месяцев назад +7

      Reckon so, I've seen them elsewhere. Flood to a certain depth and see when aquaplaning starts.

    • @markbradbury6076
      @markbradbury6076 11 месяцев назад +3

      I remember there was an advert on TV that showed the tread contact presumably using this window. I think it was a road safety advert about tyre wear and pressures.

    • @hairyairey
      @hairyairey 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@markbradbury6076was that the advert with the Police Officer in it? Can't remember his name or rank right now.

    • @markbradbury6076
      @markbradbury6076 11 месяцев назад

      @@hairyairey yes it was with an ex chief of police, or something like that. Tried finding it on google/ RUclips but nothing yet…

    • @hairyairey
      @hairyairey 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@markbradbury6076 Robert Mark - MET Police Commisioner from 1972-1977. Just before Bodie and Doyle's time with CI5!

  • @saintuk70
    @saintuk70 11 месяцев назад +17

    We had something like this in Stirling - tho' it's mini, very mini, and built for kids. For many years had working traffic lights, zebra crossings, and crossroads etc., all built to teach kids road safety. The layout is still there - just the items have gone :(

    • @willtricks9432
      @willtricks9432 11 месяцев назад

      There was one in a park in Tottenham, you could take your bike along or rent a wreck bike for 5p for 10 minutes.

  • @taliesinbourne7484
    @taliesinbourne7484 11 месяцев назад +41

    A real shame that such an important place has partially been lost. Not only the road testing aspect but the filming locations. Kinda sad really.

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 11 месяцев назад

      yeah, but when you vote for governments that want to reduce civil service headcounts this it what you get

    • @taliesinbourne7484
      @taliesinbourne7484 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@Trippenzoid the sad part is the houses won't even be nice in looks and quality.

  • @PaddyWV
    @PaddyWV 11 месяцев назад +2

    Interesting bit of "Land Grabbing" there for housing. I suppose they would call it a "Brownfield Site", but it wasn't really. 🤔

  • @cerysfrost3215
    @cerysfrost3215 11 месяцев назад +1

    I worked there in the 90s, just before it was privatised, there was a big social scene (though not as big as the 1970s when 1500 people worked there). The social club (the Highwayman) was the other side of the track, it had squash courts, tennis courts, and a football pitch. I remember many good parties there

  • @haydnd2764
    @haydnd2764 11 месяцев назад +1

    As part of an AXA insurance car Rally I drove round there in the late 1990s in the Triumph Stag with the family. I shall have to dig out our VHS tape of the day, great fun.

  • @mattyg4k233
    @mattyg4k233 11 месяцев назад +2

    I heard a bit from one of the chaps I used to work with in consultancy who used to work for JLR specifying special vehicles. I recall he was specifying the winter fleets for local authorities and national highways, SWTRA, etc, and he would often attend tests where they'd confirm the amount of grit/salt dispersed.
    A tale from one of the TRL lads, unsure if this holds any water at all, was when they were testing loading arrangements for cylindrical objects on HGV's and roll over testing. He said one of the HGV's tipped over during the test, the driver wasn't belted in, fell against the window as it slid down the road sideways, and the drivers arm was abraded to the bone.
    Other than that the only testing I ever saw was research in to white line rumble strips for vulnerable road users. They had people walk and cycle over rumble strips and say which they felt was best, worse etc. We then had a motorcyclist, which was from Honda UK ride a scooter, adventure bike and super bike over the rumble strips in the dry, wet and at an angle while breaking to report their findings. Fun fact, you can grab a full handful of brake in the wet on a turn on a white line rumble strip and come away shiny side up.
    It's fascinating to find out that basically everything we can think of has been tested.

  • @planemadmatt
    @planemadmatt 11 месяцев назад +1

    Love the Gran Truism easter eggs.... damn that makes me feel old.

  • @toby10338
    @toby10338 11 месяцев назад +2

    I took part in the Dutch roundabout test that the satellite captured. It was indeed back in 2013 and I spent the afternoon on my bike cycling around that layout, along with other cyclists, while others in cars drove around it. We went four at a time and were told which exit to take. Each of the four arms had different markings and we then had to answer questions about which felt safest, clearest and so on. It's nice to see that absolutely nothing has come of this research.

  • @mikebutcher1984
    @mikebutcher1984 11 месяцев назад +12

    There was a similar facility near me in Leyland that is now sadly being converted into a housing estate, always wanted to have a go at driving around the banked oval

  • @richardwebb5317
    @richardwebb5317 11 месяцев назад +1

    The skid pan was used as a car park for the 1989 British Orienteering Championships - quite exciting having seen it on television so many times.

  • @thomash2806
    @thomash2806 11 месяцев назад +2

    After having lived outside the UK for a long time and driven in other countries it looks like that ‘Dutch-style’ roundabout doesn’t fit in with the UKs positioning of crossings in relation to junctions in general. This is more about pedestrian crossings. I remember being taken from Manchester to Rochdale by my driving instructor to see an unusual roundabout with pedestrian crossings almost immediately adjacent to the entries and exits to the roundabout. Often junctions are fenced and crossings moved a certain distance from them. My instructor said this was to give sufficient visibility to drivers approaching them. If there’s a crossing immediately after a turn you only see it properly once you’ve turned and if it’s too close after a turn the likelihood is that drivers are in an acceleration phase when they realise there’s a crossing right there and that makes it more difficult to to slow and stop. Also other vehicles turning may be immediately faced with a slowing or stationary vehicle after turning. This is also the reason drivers in Britain can never cross a pedestrian crossing where the pedestrians have a green light. This is not the case in most other countries where vehicles can be faced with a pedestrian crossing immediately after turning where the pedestrians have green light. The thing I have noticed most about UK road design is a high degree of standardisation. It seems like in other countries I’ve driven in that the designs change with each junction or other obstacle or situation. Road design is a language and if road users have to learn a new phrase every time they encounter an intersection it leads to a drop in safety. I think the TRL has generally done a great job of designing road systems although I do agree that too much priority has been given to motor vehicles over pedestrians and cycles in the past. This has evolved recently however with the January 2022 Highway Code rules in the hierarchy of road users, which aims to protect vulnerable road users. Let’s hope things continue to go in that direction.

  • @jpeel2066
    @jpeel2066 11 месяцев назад +1

    Always fascinating seeing old sites like that. Thanks. All the best 🇬🇧.

  • @mhk211071
    @mhk211071 11 месяцев назад +4

    I did a bunch of research with TRL up until it was closed. Now they're just creating a ton of housing (quelle surprise!). Once again, should've popped in for a coffee :)

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 11 месяцев назад

      I suppose they never tested Smart Motorways ?

    • @mhk211071
      @mhk211071 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@highpath4776 unfortunately something I wasn't involved in, otherwise I'd have tried to can it too.

  • @marksaxby607
    @marksaxby607 11 месяцев назад +1

    I frequently drive past there and have done for decades. Back in the early 1990s, we drove around the track as part of the Norwich Union Classic Car run - Thanks for the video!

  • @leedee2972
    @leedee2972 10 месяцев назад

    It took me back to the late 70s when I worked on bridge design . It was a wonderful working environment with strong camerarderie. Great memories.

  • @M7RGTI
    @M7RGTI 11 месяцев назад +2

    Back in 2008 I worked for Millbrook proving ground as a crash engineer and we was contracted to run certain tests on the “pan” we did many of the anti terrorist devices like the barrier shown in your video, cheese wedges, bollard you see in all towns and cities etc, planters… there was 2 tests. A 7.5T truck at 7.5T at 50mph and a 18T truck again at 7.5T weight at 50mph. We also did things like central reservations (the cable ones were fun! When we did it with trucks the incursions into the other lane was an eye opener!) street signs etc. a lot of the videos from the makers of the devices are still on RUclips.

  • @mikebrennan9898
    @mikebrennan9898 11 месяцев назад +1

    When I worked for RS components they were a customer of mine made frequent visits there

  • @marcushinton772
    @marcushinton772 11 месяцев назад +1

    Sad to hear this as have been there for many years for the Golf GTI international, happy days

  • @JulianGough-z6z
    @JulianGough-z6z 11 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for the video. Went there a couple of times in the 90s as a volunteer tester. One involved testing the effectiveness of message board over motorways. I sat in a driving simulator, then they would project the messages top left of my view and ask me my reactions to them. Those message boards are all along the smart motorways now. My wife tells me that her grandfather who once worked there, had the original idea of putting bumps on the white line between lane 1 and the hard shoulder on motorways, to alert drivers when they stray off the carriageway.

  • @stevennash9095
    @stevennash9095 11 месяцев назад +1

    Back in the late 1980’s and into the mid 1990’s when I was at BMW UK in Bracknell we used this TRL facility a lot. Shame to see it falling into disrepair…..

  • @gavinallard9752
    @gavinallard9752 11 месяцев назад +1

    In the late 90’s I was commissioned to design a replacement reception desk to the the entrance building to TRL and some other minor refurbishment areas. I remember the main client team was Dutch and the head of that claimed he was the director of Dutch mountain rescue. There were multiple outbuildings and strange test vehicles, I recall a 1963 landrover used around the site with only a few thousand miles on the odometer. Thank you for recording what happened since when I was there, it was inly a matter of time wasn’t it with the demand for land.

  • @RichardBarrett-m5b
    @RichardBarrett-m5b 11 месяцев назад

    Thanks for this video, my grandfather Geoffrey Grime worked for the, then, TRRL. He was honoured for his work on the nouncing bomb. I have fond memories of open days there in the 70's seeing cars that had been crashed together or into walls, barriers etc. And double decker buses skidding on the skid pan.

  • @ronniel5941
    @ronniel5941 11 месяцев назад +1

    I attended two RRL courses. The thoroughness and intensity of the research being done was astonishing.

  • @ianhelps3749
    @ianhelps3749 11 месяцев назад +2

    Well, a video close to.my heart. I grew up in poky old Crowthorne ( may have said so already). It was renamed from Road Research Laboratory to Transport and Road Research Laboratory ( TRRL) in the 1970s. My mum worked in the library from 1974 for about 15 years. Sometimes they had an open day so you could go to see what work they did. While at university I had a vacation job there for 2 months. I worked in the Bridges section, which often meant driving to a decommissioned bridge over the M1, taking concrete samples and analysing them for chloride and sulphate content to determine the effects of pollution on concrete stability. Happy days. Sorry to hear about the decline of the place. Btw, Martins Heron station near Bracknell is unofficially called Crowthorne Parkway. Have a great Xmas whatever you are doing.

  • @ChrisDunnG4KVI
    @ChrisDunnG4KVI 10 месяцев назад

    That takes me back! Went there as couple of times with my Father when they had open days. Remember seeing the 'banana' car design, which became the Sierra, and a catcher installed on a car to catch pedestrians in a crash! Interesting to see McMichael ltd popping up. Worked for them for a VERY short time, when they were part of GEC.

  • @JimmyTheRake
    @JimmyTheRake 11 месяцев назад +1

    Somewhere in the woods at TRRL was a concrete bunker where, in 1976, static test firings were conducted on the Sea Dart missile. I spent many freezing hours in there setting up transducers and ultraviolet recorders just for a 90 second firing.

  • @Jim-Scott
    @Jim-Scott 11 месяцев назад +5

    I've been to the Pinewood centre just over the road countless times, and never knew this place existed!
    I feel a bit of exploring coming next time I'm over there!

  • @mattbeddw
    @mattbeddw 11 месяцев назад +2

    I got to spend a day here on "The Pan" in the late 2000s shortly after passing my driving test learning how to drive in slippery conditions to avoid a skid and how to control over and understeer.
    There were always cars going round the track when we drove past too, had no idea it had closed!

  • @shahedmc9656
    @shahedmc9656 11 месяцев назад +1

    I remember the tyre adverts presented by Richard Marks (ex Police safety expert) who showed us photos taken from under the road (thanks to you John we now know where and how they were taken). He used to say something like "I'm convinced this is a major contribution to road safety".

  • @Jonjooooo
    @Jonjooooo 8 месяцев назад

    My dad worked here in the 90s for a company called Drive & Survive. They specialised in teaching blue lights drivers, but also did a lot of work with private security firms and chaeuffeurs. So he basically got to spend his work days racing Bentleys and Rolls Royces through the forest.

  • @jonbaldwin
    @jonbaldwin 11 месяцев назад +2

    I went to school nearby and this was by far the most sought after work experience placement!

  • @philsturdy
    @philsturdy 11 месяцев назад +1

    Re the RRL in Hillingdon, there is a similar model of the Mohne dam at the Building Research Establishment, in Garston, Hertfordshire next to the M1.

  • @christopherwaller2798
    @christopherwaller2798 11 месяцев назад +6

    I visited to take part in the test of that Dutch style roundabout! It was nice to cycle around, as I recall, and I think they deliberately made each of the arms of the roundabout slightly different in terms of entry and exit layout, markings, etc. They also look good for pedestrians. That said, they do rely on trusting drivers to give way, especially on the exit arms, which UK drivers aren't really used to.

    • @whyyoulidl
      @whyyoulidl 11 месяцев назад

      There's a 'dutchie' somewhere in Cambridge; not had the best reviews, what with the odd prang and mangled bicycle in the mix...

    • @CambridgecarclubCoUk
      @CambridgecarclubCoUk 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@whyyoulidl It's on the ring road at the junction of Fendon Road and Queen Edith's Way, near Addenbrookes. It took months to build and was way over budget. I've both driven and cycled round it, it's a bit confusing but perhaps that's just because it's unusual for the UK. On the bike I was very conscious of not knowing whether the drivers were actually going to stop or not.

    • @ricequackers
      @ricequackers 11 месяцев назад

      From what I understand the Dutch are looking to move away from this roundabout style due to the number of collisions on them. Instead they're looking at way to completely segregated bicycles from motor vehicles.

    • @Matityahu755
      @Matityahu755 11 месяцев назад

      There's one of those 'Dutch' style roundabouts in St Helens, near to the Bull & Dog pub, on the Marshall Cross Road & Clock Face Road near Lea Green train station. It's a strange junction that's for sure, and I don't particularly like it. Give me the Magic Roundabout in Hemel Hempstead any day of the week.

  • @Joe-lb8qn
    @Joe-lb8qn 11 месяцев назад +2

    I took a speed awareness course here (dont judge) must have been one of the last before it closed. I still drive by (carefully) as its only a few miles from where i live. BIg billboards for the new houses I think they are (orw ere) building new ones quite recently..

  • @AdamBuckley1964
    @AdamBuckley1964 11 месяцев назад +1

    I went to school nearby (edgbarrow) and we used to go there sometimes to be cyclists and pedestrians for testing junctions and timing of lights, etc. It was a good day off school

  • @gilleyb1900
    @gilleyb1900 11 месяцев назад +2

    Great vid thanks john and love the GT 2 music at the end.

  • @lordpitnolen2196
    @lordpitnolen2196 11 месяцев назад

    You're productions benefit greatly from the contributions of viewers. Keep the comments coming.

  • @regularguy3665
    @regularguy3665 11 месяцев назад +4

    I remember seeing some of the footage from testing of the Dutch roundabout - they invited a load of driving instructors and cyclists for a jolly. Within 30 seconds of them starting the test a cyclist went the wrong way (ie anti-clockwise), the DSA bloke damn near popped himself and exclaimed that ‘I never expected that’s (paraphrased).
    It was such a failure that they built one anyway in Cambridge and it was closed almost immediately for 3 days after a motorist ploughed some of the infrastructure.

  • @TonyLing
    @TonyLing 11 месяцев назад +2

    There is also a disused Broadmoor escape siren on that site in the North West corner.

  • @TonyWhitley
    @TonyWhitley 11 месяцев назад +1

    Known as the Transport and Road Research Laboratory (TRRL) from 1972 to 1992.

  • @martxw
    @martxw 11 месяцев назад +2

    I made a bit of pocket money as a volunteer driver in the cycle safety tests. I got the top-off for it from Diamond Geezer, the London blogger. I think one example of the Dutch Roundabout had been created, but isn't popular. The other tests which I regularly see the results of are the cycle lanes that run behind bus stops, and the ceramic armadillos for separating cycle lanes from traffic. I had my first lesson to learn to ride a bike there between experiments, but when I came back years later to try cycling round the banks it nearly killed me.

  • @chrisharvey2571
    @chrisharvey2571 10 месяцев назад

    I drove an articulated lorry around the track back in the early 2000’s when CNG was being tested as an alternative fuel by Safeway supermarkets and other companies with the support from Mobil. It was a test day for other companies to try them out.

  • @scrapyardsorcerer
    @scrapyardsorcerer 11 месяцев назад

    Many happy(!) hours spent here. Over the high speed track on the Bailey Bridge. Watching the secret testing of motorcycle leg-shields of the 1990's, looking at Nortons buried upto their engines in road salt. Good on-site cafe for staff. The whole place was like a "Carry On" film.

  • @frasermitchell9183
    @frasermitchell9183 11 месяцев назад +4

    It was the TRL that drove the inhabitants of Slough to distraction with their town experiments. They called it "Slough Safety Town" and various experiments were undertaken on traffic in towns. The only one I have experienced was the linked traffic lights scheme on the A4 . This was set at the speed limit, and worked out so that once you started olong the section, and kept at 30 mph, you would get a "green wave" as you drove along. The bus me and my brother were on, the 'B' from Reading to London kept at 30 mph, so we never stopped. Cars would race past us and then get stopped at the next set of lights whilst we trundled up them and got a green !
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slough_experiment

  • @BrianJones761-wc4hu
    @BrianJones761-wc4hu 11 месяцев назад +2

    The crash test at 3:45 I think was of the barrier rather than the truck.
    It looks like the Foreign Office Newey Barrier found at embassies and the like and probaly other government facilities.

  • @ianmitchell7811
    @ianmitchell7811 5 месяцев назад

    I worked at TRL through the 80s and 90s as a photographer. I started there before they moved into the new building so I was there to see all that work done. I was part of a team of over 15 photographers and was responsible for filming crash testing, video production and any still work required. I started as a civil servant and went through the privatisation. Not my favourite time. I have driven around the test track and saw the crash facility built which I then worked in film testing and maintaining much of the filming equipment used. Working there for over 20 years was a fantastic experience which only came to an end when the team was down sized and when I was finally made redundant there were only 2 of us left. I understand that the last guy went 6 months later.

  • @Jungleroomreptiles
    @Jungleroomreptiles 8 месяцев назад

    In 1977 When I was 16/17 I worked at TRL in Crowthorne, while working at TRL or as it was called back then the TRRL I had an accident which left my right eye damaged and scared and my vision greatly impaired which has severely affected my life, I am now 63 years old and have never recieved one penny for my injury and in fact I was threatened with the sack if I pursued any form of compensation. MB

  • @justimorris
    @justimorris 10 месяцев назад +1

    I live here so thanks so much for creating this!
    Landscaping my garden I dug up lots of old road signs 😅

    • @AutoShenanigans
      @AutoShenanigans  10 месяцев назад

      Nice one, thanks for watching! Any good signs?

  • @petetrundell5454
    @petetrundell5454 11 месяцев назад

    I’ve been there a few times back in the 90’s. The VW GTi shows were there every year. A fascinating place and most of the test loop was open to drive on, if I remember correctly, as the parking arrangements for the events were quite extensive.

  • @machendave
    @machendave 11 месяцев назад +2

    The other famous/infamous place in the area is Broadmoor Hospital.

    • @AK.2425
      @AK.2425 11 месяцев назад +1

      Yup just across the road

    • @machendave
      @machendave 11 месяцев назад

      @@AK.2425 Locals now get texted in case of escapes. I knew people who’ve worked there.

  • @gareththompson538
    @gareththompson538 11 месяцев назад

    I'm loving the Gran Turismo music!

  • @scottyg7284
    @scottyg7284 11 месяцев назад +1

    I remember going there to Gti international back in the late 90’s, sad to see it now, but as always thanks for showing us.

    • @type17
      @type17 11 месяцев назад

      Hello, fellow GTI-er! We used to go every year from about 96 until they moved it to East Anglia. Must root out our old photos of hundreds of Mk1's & 2's in the car park on the pan. I also remember seeing loads of old X & Y-reg Cavaliers there, waiting to be painted matte yellow, and crashed on the test rig shown in the video.

  • @paulwhite2023
    @paulwhite2023 11 месяцев назад

    I used to go there for sevetal years each May starting in 1989 for the GTI International event primarily for VW Golf GTI cars. Wow, its unrecognisable on the ground, the aerial shots make it possible though. I remember the building plus the buried track in the ground. Distant memories now of a great family show.

  • @RichN22
    @RichN22 11 месяцев назад

    It went there a few times in the late 90s when GTI International called the site home. The show was located around the pan next to the crash test building. I remember walking over the track set into the concrete. Was a great show back then.

  • @scarlettsgarage1
    @scarlettsgarage1 11 месяцев назад

    i remember it was used a a car meet show location location that allowed drag racing , i went to a couple of VW shows there in the 1990's.

  • @colcester
    @colcester 11 месяцев назад +1

    Want a UK Dutch style roundabout?
    Visit the Cambridge Ring Road...!!!

  • @richardbrown7153
    @richardbrown7153 11 месяцев назад +1

    I remember doing part of my fast road course there - first and last time I ever saw a BMW on two wheels!

  • @cameronashton7150
    @cameronashton7150 11 месяцев назад

    Great that, Jon.

  • @scottishcarenthusiastsandtrain
    @scottishcarenthusiastsandtrain 3 месяца назад

    Another fantastic and informative video Jon.

  • @RalfyCustoms
    @RalfyCustoms 11 месяцев назад

    Absolutely fantastic, and such a shame to see a wonderful old place disappear
    Such is life mate
    Have a wonderful holiday

  • @deanfarrimond7543
    @deanfarrimond7543 11 месяцев назад +2

    Good stuff as always Jon. Keep up the good work and happy holidays.

  • @PhilipMurphy8Extra
    @PhilipMurphy8Extra 11 месяцев назад +2

    A great episode Jon, Really interesting. Thanks

  • @sambensley3534
    @sambensley3534 11 месяцев назад +1

    10 minutes away from me, I remember hearing sirens when the launch track was used, and the original main entrance gate.
    Also try longcross test facility, maybe tricky as it’s also used as a film set location

  • @NickRatnieks
    @NickRatnieks 11 месяцев назад +1

    You used to see this research circuit in old car ads on TV.

  • @Pesmog
    @Pesmog 11 месяцев назад +1

    I went there as a volunteer guinea pig when they were testing how using a mobile phone could effect drivers reaction times in an incident. I was so bad at it and crashed so many times on the simulator, even using hands free, that I have never used a mobile while driving since. Lesson learned.

  • @secretmanPFD
    @secretmanPFD 11 месяцев назад +1

    The whole site, especially the banked corner, is a great place to take a high-power rc car - I speak from experience!

  • @vernongoodey5096
    @vernongoodey5096 11 месяцев назад

    Worked at the TRRL for 18 months back in 1983/4. Loved walking around the track & forest during my lunch break! Also the MVEE at Chertsey, used to see the new Challenger tanks being tested there. Occasionally McClaren would use the track as well

    • @sichere
      @sichere 11 месяцев назад

      I don't know you though ?

  • @SurgeDashcam
    @SurgeDashcam 11 месяцев назад

    I drive through that new housing development all the time, I had no clue it was built on this place

  • @KronicAndyC84
    @KronicAndyC84 11 месяцев назад +1

    There is already a Dutch roundabout in cambridge. There are plans on putting yet another Dutch roundabout in the North of cambridge.

  • @robj3857
    @robj3857 11 месяцев назад

    I remember having my Subaru tuned by Van Aaken Developments based at the TRL back before they went bust. There were no barriers on the test track and I was always mighty tempted to have a crack at the banked corner I could see teasing me up in the trees. Clearly I was and still am much more immature than most of the other commenters who used it for serious research purposes.

  • @BerlietGBC
    @BerlietGBC 11 месяцев назад

    Very interesting, my late neighbour Jim worked there for many years after he left the RAF, he was involved in all kinds of testing from vehicles to road surfaces, my partner used to visit there when he was with the DOT

  • @nightw4tchman
    @nightw4tchman 11 месяцев назад +1

    5:16 I can tell I live somewhere out in the middle of nowhere as I have yet to see a cycle traffic light, good idea though.

  • @troytempest9729
    @troytempest9729 11 месяцев назад +1

    Another brilliant video - thanks Jon!

  • @nickhaag7803
    @nickhaag7803 11 месяцев назад +2

    Weren't you tempted to lift that manhole cover? And what an eyesore those new houses are!

  • @TheRealYorkshireman
    @TheRealYorkshireman 11 месяцев назад +1

    One of your best. You do a good documentary piece when you put your mind to it. Let us hope there are more to come. Seasonal greetings and all that to you and yours.

  • @PopeLando
    @PopeLando 11 месяцев назад

    I used to drive to Crowthorne all the time and I never knew about this! (Except I did see signs for the TRRL.)

  • @minibus9
    @minibus9 11 месяцев назад

    awesome video, genuinly fascinating

  • @computerbob06
    @computerbob06 11 месяцев назад

    Fascinating place.
    It must've been strange working on something for years that you knew people would take for granted in the future and never even think about as they drive past........ All of us!?
    But then, you must feel some great pride knowing that people don't need to think about it, because you and your team already have!?

  • @lewisingram6322
    @lewisingram6322 11 месяцев назад +2

    I live around the corner from here. If you look at old maps from before the housing development you'll see the roadways inside map out a perfect outline of a very phallic shape! Used to make me laugh everytime.

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  • @IDeltic
    @IDeltic 11 месяцев назад

    You use Gran Turismo music a lot, but I still love it every time you do.

  • @tomwinch9107
    @tomwinch9107 11 месяцев назад

    I've taken my dogs for a walk there a number of times. Most of the road surfaces have been removed and replaced with crushed gravel paths as the site managers are trying to improve bio-diversity. It really is a nice place to walk around.
    On the subject of test tracks I used to work in the site that became Longcross Studios (near Longcross Station and Wentworth Golf course sandwiched between the railway and the M3). To the south of the M3 is a manor house with a 9 hole golf course in the middle of the Chertsey test track. This was used for testing army vehicles for many years. There are 4 slopes (1 in 4, 1 in 3, 1 in 2 and 1 in 1.7ish (which had a chain to secure vehicles under test). I drove round it many times in a Stonefield 4x4 then an Iveco 4x4 and finally a 6.5 tonne Iveco. I even took the Citroën Xantia I had round the corner used by a lot of the 90's car mags (showing the inside rear wheel lifting), mainly as it was close to London - and nearly crashed whilst struggling to control lift off oversteer!
    I also got to drive a 40 tonne curtain sided artic there one day.
    Apart from Dennis hiring the track to do brake testing on fully laden fire engines, the track (and particularly it's off-road parts) was used when Porsche launched the Cayenne!
    It was apparently used for filming scenes for one of the Batman films (Batman Returns, I think) before I worked there.
    Quite an interesting history, though I suspect little has been written about it!

    • @tomwinch9107
      @tomwinch9107 11 месяцев назад

      I believe it was named Buckler's forrest after transferring to a country park - the name is in honour of Buckler cars which were built in Crowthorne.
      Crowthorne is also 'famous' as Broadmoor Secure Hospital is located there.

  • @fredericksaxton3991
    @fredericksaxton3991 11 месяцев назад +2

    That banked bend can be very scary stuff. There is the same at MIRA and in the late 1980's I was on a Norwich Union car rally and we had the opportunity to drive one lap around the whole circuit. I was going hell for leather to the first bend in my open Jaguar and this road ahead just reared up and I KNEW I was going to fall off it... So I slowed to 80 mph and sailed round on the 2nd 'rung', even that was a tad nervous inducing. Kicked myself later. But in my defence, to get up on the 4th rung you would need to be doing over 100 mph and you would need to work you way up it and build your confidence. Perhaps at least 5 laps and it may have been plain sailing.
    As an afterword, some one was killed a few weeks later when the armoured car they were in rolled over. :(

  • @donalddodson7365
    @donalddodson7365 11 месяцев назад

    Interesting episode. Thanks, Jon!

  • @williamc6774
    @williamc6774 11 месяцев назад

    I once went there in the company of 2,000 MR2s in the year 2000. The 2,000 were assembled on "the pan".