How to both Log PIC Time | Under the Hood | Sim Instrument
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2017
- In this video we'll go over how both pilots in an airplane can log PIC time and be able to share the costs while building time together and logging simulated instrument time under the hood or with foggles.
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This video was very easy to understand, and it was a huge help! Thanks!
Super helpful! Thank you!
Thanks for posting this. I'll be putting this to use soon!
Glad it helps! Safe flying!
Thank you so much for this video am about to start instrument training and literally just had this conversation yesterday. Thanks for clearing it up and hopefully saving me some money.
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Lots of good information.
AOPA has a great article on this. Amazing how many pilots out there don't know how to properly do this. Even some CFIs get it wrong. Glad you pointed out safety pilot doesn't log cross country time and his total time is less than pilot with foggles.
Hi. I can't find the AOPA article saying the safety pilot should log less total time than the pilot under hood. Do you have the link? Thanks.
Archergod - www.aopa.org/training-and-safety/learn-to-fly/legacy-pages/aviation-subject-report-logging-pilot-in-command-pic-time
Thanks, this was helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
Nice unusual attitude at 7:50 - wow!
Hey Jon, was hoping you might know if part 91 sightseeing flights (within 25 NM of same origin/destination airport) have no flight time limit per day?
I'm not even a pilot yet, but I'm learning a lot. I should be picking a CFI soon.
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Night/Day hours logged relate to the specific conditions of the flight, not whether or not you were manipulating the controls at the time. Therefore this time logged can be the total duration of the flight.
Thanks for the video. You mention that the safety pilot can have a BasicMed medical. But is there some question about this. The BasicMed medical says you cannot act as a required crew member, yet the safety pilot is a required crew member in this scenario. It would be ironic, of course, that the BasicMed pilot could be the legal and acting PIC, but not be the safety pilot. Wonder what your understanding is of this.
hey john thanks for the video, do you guys do online ground school for instrument students or maybe a personalized course? I desperately need help
Hey there, we are currently working on our online instrument course, but it is a little ways from being finished. If you have specific questions or want to schedule time with a CFII to work on some things, you can email us at fly8ma@gmail.com
I'm about to start my part 61 instrument rating, and teaming up with a commercial student who needs hours to do a bunch of foggles XC. The current plan is he will be acting PIC for the flight, and will log PIC time for the time I'm under foggles. I'm looking for advice on cost sharing, and what time the safety pilot can log. Assuming we do an XC where I am the sole manipulator of the flight controls, and we fly 2 hours, of which 1.7 hours I have foggles on. It seems straightforward that he gets PIC for the 1.7, I get 1.7 sim instrument and 2 hours of PIC XC time. Where I'm unsure of is whether he gets to log the .3 as total time. If he can log that time, then we split the whole rental 50:50, and all is good. If he doesn't get to log that time as total time, I don't think he should have to pay for any of that portion he doesn't get to log. In this case, I wholly pay for the .3 hours, and we split the costs of the 1.7.
So, does the acting PIC safety pilot log all time in this case as total time?
I’m guessing landings are handled similar to XC that only one person gets credit toward currency (likely the pilot that actually lands the plane)?
typically me and other pilots I know do safety pilot for each other for usually 1.5 to 2.5 hrs...but here is my hmm moment lately...I am checked out to takeoff and land in the right seat of a complex plane...if they are not complex rated and I have them fly left seat in foggles for a couple approaches (low approach only) they can not log PIC but can log total time and Sim is my interpretation
If they're acting as your safety pilot, they can log SIC time. If they're manipulating the controls with foggles, unless you are a CFI, they can't log ANY of that time if they're not complex endorsed.
Thanks for the video. Can the safety pilot log second in command time if he/she doesn't have a flight review within the preceding 24 calendar months (and thus can't log PIC time)? I thought I read somewhere that would work.
The safety pilot is legally responsible for the flight (since they are the ones looking outside for traffic and can see everything). If they don't have a BFR current, then they wouldn't be able to fill that role and you could not be putting on foggles. General rule (if the person you are trying to do this with cannot fly an airplane on their own with passengers on board, then find another person to do this with).
Hello, what if the Safety Pilot is also a CFI , can the safety pilot log the full XC or the rules remain the same?
What if it is an IFR filed cross country in VMC and they still ware a view limiting device. Can you log it the same?
What if on the way back the other pilot does the takeoff and landing. Can't you with split xc time? You up and him back?
If the safety pilot is a CFII and you are receiving instruction, can you still log PIC time?
What if you are on a IFR flight plan and operate VMC. Can the safety pilot log XC since not only is he PIC while airborne but also on a IFR clearance?
Depends who lands the plane
Hi,
For Total Duration of the flight, shouldn't it be 2.2 for both? (Last column)
Thanks for the video:)
safety pilot can only log time when the other pilot is under the hood. during takeoff and landing, you shouldn't put on your hood, cuz you need to see the runway, so safety pilot need to deduct this time during takeoff and landing when the other pilot is not under the hood.
@@Crossdod0 Thank you
So this might be a dumb question but does this work if both pilots or one pilot are instrument rated already? Because if so this video just saved me like 60,000 dollars
Ya, you can have both IFR rated, just one, or none....just need both guys to have a current medical and bfr for their ppl and be "rated" in the airplane...(legal to fly it as pic)
LOL at 3:16
What about complex airplanes? Can a private pilot ASEL safety pilot (and therefore log PIC time) for a complex airplane without a complex endorsement while the actual PIC is under foggles?
The actual PIC needs to be the one looking outside since they are legally responsible for the flight, you cannot be legally responsible if you can't see everything that is going on, so they could not.
FLY8MA.com Flight Training As far as I know, if they are flying a complex or high performance ASEL and your safety pilot does not have either endorsements but is also a Private pilot ASEL he can log the time because in the FARs it doesnt specify that you need them. All you need is to be current, appropriately rated for the category and class as well type rated (if applicable).
if my friend and I flew a xc that was 1.5 hrs each leg (3hrs total there and back), and we each flew a leg under foggles, how should our books look?
simulated instrument time
Urgent,
So in this case I see on the video, the guy on the left seat only log PIC instead of dual received, shouldn’t he be logging both dual revived and PIC too ?
Thanks
Why is it not possible to both log cross country? Particularly if it's the safety pilot making the cross country flight plan? Couldn't I log XC to match my PIC time?
The pilot under the hood is considered the PIC during the flight being they are sole manipulator of the controls. While the safety pilot who is doing the take-off/landings will log XC time.
The Graphic for the right seat pilot is wrong under "type of piloting" the 1 and 7 should be shifted left 1 column (7:08)