'The Guv'nor Lenny McLean was A TERRIBLE BULLY,' recalls Frank Warren
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2019
- Frank Warren takes us for a walk down memory lane as he and his family helped Lenny McLean and Frank found his way into boxing.
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Saying Lenny could beat Lennox Lewis or Mike Tyson “on the cobbles🙄” or otherwise is like thinking your mate down the pub could beat Ronnie O Sullivan at snooker. You should seek help.
I see what you are saying but it's not. It'd be more like saying your mate could beat Ronnie at pool.
Exactly
On the cobbles, I wouldn't be surprised
@@Kev80ification wot do ya mean bro
@@mikey-boy2519 I wouldn't be surprised I Lenny beat them in a street fight. He was vicious. In the ring they would have battered him but on the cobbles, I'm not sure
The fact some people believe Lenny would of beaten Tyson is laughable
@@leonardpiercy9837 "Lesser men than Lenny"? Who? Do you know that little about boxing (and fighting, in general) to believe Lenny at his best could last a minute with Buster Douglas, Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, Danny Williams or even Kevin McBride? Those were all PROFESSIONAL boxers! As poor as McBride was in the ring, he'd still have battered Lenny or any of those unlicensed fighters anywhere. Different skillset and experience, can't be compared.
@@leonardpiercy9837 How did Lenny get on against Cliff Field and Johnny Waldron? Do tell... 😉
@@leonardpiercy9837 I can imagine your mother when you get this attitude at home "Leonarrrrd! Off to ya room, go 🚶♂️ on"
I agree. Tyson would have killed him. It wouldn't even be close.
@@leonardpiercy9837 you calling Lennox lewis & Holyfield a clown 🤡 have a look in the mirror 🪞 ffs 🤦♂️….. if that’s is what you actually think 🤔
Sound is awful
John Haigh sounds like he only got 1 lung
@@cousinleigh1470 😁
You should add a water effect and bubbles coming up and few fish swimming past, the sound would be perfect to go with the underwater vibe.
Brilliant 😅 ps GGMU
Loolll ty..like that samsung screensaver
Mr Warren supports the arse nail so bubbles are banned.
Fish eyes Frank would fit right in
Lmao !!!
When lennys son said that he could of beaten Tyson and lewis I nearly fell off my chair 😂
street fighting is not boxing
Just like Kimbo Slice took the UFC by storm, right?
Kimbo slice is and was only useless
Judgement day you do know he’s not with us anymore?
In a street fight in his prime probably would have he was an animal
Nice to see the audio quality is a tribute to the 70s
Make sure the equipment is fully Submerged in water before asking Frank about Lenny!
Fish eyes feels right at home under the water
😂😂
Frank “He lives on a sofa under the sea” Warren🎶. Ffs the sound is legendary! 😂
Lenny was a product of his environment, getting beaten up daily by his step father, made him as tough as teak. His size scared folk to death, and he probably used that to his advantage, to nick a few quid, His books a belter, whether its all true or artisctic license, still a good read tho
RIP Big Daddy Cool
That's a bollocks excuse. Product of a given environment doesn't mean you can't choose to be better.
@@iiwii8622 correct, however it does affect some people more than others. he had a terrible youth. plus lenny did not go around asking for sympathy.
There's always an harder man to knock the hardest man down
Ronnie Pickering?
@@user-ep6nv6nv1k Nick Cotton?
Amazing sound - like always Seconds Out.
If you read Lenny's book, he'll be having you believe he's the hardest man in the world. He didn't talk about his losses. Frank would have signed him professionally if he was any good. But, nope. 40 + hours on the doors instead.
Oi neva lost a fight on the cobbles.... haha what a fat idiot. Warrens right, he was a bully n piece of shit
You couldn’t be a professional boxer if you had a criminal record. McLean would have been a professional you can be sure of that
@@davidpowell9713 that was never the case. Plenty of pros had criminal records.
I recently listened to his book on audible, great book. It didn't cover any losses. Not one on the streets, nor in the ring. Scrolling through youtube comments i learned he lost SEVERAL times.
Lenny was a criminal would not get a licence
Lenny got Frank started in promoting boxing and hes made millions since - lenny also stuck up for Franks reputation in prison over the incident where he was shot and people where calling Frank a grass - Disgusting how he now tries to sully lennies memory when he is actually a relative - He has a very short memory and says things he would never say if lenny where still alive !
I didnt knoe that fact . Well said , mayhe was a bully i thought , but no one said it when he was around 🤷♂️
Gotta stop borrowing Kugans microphone
Big Frank used to promote underground fights. Real OG
Zodius why how u know this what did he use to say/do to her?
@@zodius9772 fully explains why she turned out modifying everything about her... that need to be accepted due to years of bullying.
Zodius o right could be bullshit tho I spose
Zodius Jodie Marsh? The bird with a nose like a builders elbow! That Jodie Marsh?
delboy Trotter You wish! She’d never have it with you.
Ronnie pickering would have the lot of them !!!
Ronnie who ?
The fat piece of shit from Bransholme!😂🤣
@Marky bring it on Chav!😆😉
@Marky reggae, rap man!
He got filled in by a young kid outside a pub in Bransholme 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
@Marky I was probably having a bad day mate!😆👍
McLean chose his fights carefully, and conveniently forgot to mention the amount of fights he lost
Just like every fighter? Move on
@@maxpaws3977 how do you know ?? Did you follow him around ??
@@maxpaws3977 its all a myth.
@@maxpaws3977 he was a big bully boy who had a fake record.
@@maxpaws3977 I think he lost at least 4.
Lenny never bullied frank tho, lenny couldnt deal with franks legendary shoulder rolls
@Leonardo Cesana most people around that time, that lived near him said he was massive bully. He had no time for straight common man 9 to 5
😂😂🙌🙌
Well done Frank for telling the truth on probably the most overrated Hardman in history. Of course McLean would terrorise me and many others, however, he’d get his arsed kicked by anyone decent.
Overrated maybe as a boxer but not a street fighter, know your stuff before you post!
@@colinwilson4218 make me laugh these clowns saying stuff like that. Lenny out the ring was an animal. Simple as. In tbe ring to street fighting Is completely different.
@@colinwilson4218 you know then?
Interviewer putting a new twist on the old British 'phrase, "put the kettle on," by conducting interview inside said kettle.
That's funny lol
Hahaha!
Interesting interview absolutely shocking quality
Could have been talking about Jimmy Saviles wrestling career for all I could hear.
lol
Now you’ve done it jim has fixed it for youuu
'Sir' jimmy to you
U14 Champion three years running
Frank's definitely had a slap off lenny in the past😂
lenny lost to cliff fields twice, johnny waldron twice, an ancient roy shaw, and a light heavy from portsmouth called kevin paddock
Lies
@@stevet6838 err no. 100% fact. lies are what lenny told when he said he was shot outside a club. he was shot by a sparring partner he took liberties with. read judas pig.
@@stevet6838 Truth
@@stevebb2915 yeah mate bang right
Anyone remember Cliff Fields out of Dunstable? Cliff scored two wins out of two fights with Lenny - never see that mentioned - Cliff fought Richard Dunne for the British Heavyweight title, losing on points - Dunne then went on to have a total mismatch fight against Muhammed Ali which he lost - Cliff was one fight away from a fight with Ali - a decent lad was Cliff - RIP
When Lenny’s book came out and he became a big name everyone was talking about him, my dad told me about when cliff Fields beat him easy, Cliff also beat Roy shaw twice.
Really. John joe. What did or who did you steal from today
I heard about this aswel but as you said , it certainly wasn’t mentioned in his book . Wish I could find footage of them fights
@@TheJimbodini Johnny Waldron did him twice also and Kevin Paddock got him on points, he was paid to not knock him out. Different levels.
Sykes would have smashed him up too without breaking a sweat.
‘Everyone’s got a plan until they get punched in the face’ - Tyson
it sounds like a successful paranormal investigation into the afterlife using EVP, well done fella...
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I thought that was Keith Chegwin on the left from the thumbnail
Cheggers plays pop
Your right, he does look like a corpse!!!
Mr Warren is a much better promoter
The worst sound quality video available on RUclips m, bravo sir
Should've had dubois intro "your going to sleep!" 🥊😴
LOL
He thought he could bully Bartley Gorman ( Tyson Fury's uncle) too.That didn't go well did it.Lenny McLean was a celebrity thug.He was head doorman at Stringfellows at one point.He was big and tough but not fit or disciplined enough to box pro or amateur.He was jailed once for taking a streaker aside in a club.Then he did his favourite 'trick' of putting that rubber belt around his fingers, Then he punched the streaker's chin hard enough to do real damage that he died from later.Is that how a 'doorman' is supposed to deal with someone who is neither threatening or assaulting someone and is half his size ? But in London- he's a 'legend'.Another one for the book of myths there.
What fantasy are you talking about? Even in Bartley s book he says he and McLean never met
The streaker died from a choke hold applied to him by the police later on that night. Proven in court by a medical expert.
Clueless
Piffle. The police were found guilty of killing the flasher after Lenny threw him out.
McLean and Gorman never fought and I talked to Peter Fury about it.
So you're talking shite I'm afraid
great interview i didnt know this!
Be back now! I'm just going to get my snorkel & mask and come back to watch the rest of the video.
Was this filmed with an old Nokia ?
Is there such a thing as a new Nokia?
@@boxing they remade the 3010
Potato
Cawley you half a spud you got put into your place 👌🏻😂😂you fake irish bastard!
@@boxing touche👍
Were are you you doing this interview'the bottom of a water well?
Roy was only a Middleweight when Lenny stepped in with Light Heavyweight legend from Repton Johnny Waldron he was knocked spark out twice. Had Lenny ever been hit by someone like Frank Bruno I think he would never have been brought back to consciousness. Anyone who believes he was a world beater knows nothing about the Noble art.
He was a roid head
Totally agree Sam. Totally different being a big strong hard man in the local pub than being a professional boxer. Think he had 15 fights with gloves on and lost 5 of them, and that was not even to top British heavyweight fighters. Saying that i would have hated to have a street fight with the man. And yes he led an interesting life and I have read all the books. Hard man yes, but even local area top boxer, no.
@@pauljenkins3435 I knew him I am from Hoxton as is all my family.
@@samrowbotham8914 am just amazed at how many people think any big tough local hard man could take on and beat a professional boxer. In a street fight it may be different.
@@pauljenkins3435 Then they get hit by a pro fighter.
need to turn the bass up and move the microphone in the next room
In space no one can hear you interview Frank Warren....
Lenny lost many fights. He was simply a big man who learned the basics of boxing.
Back then it was one known tough guy against another. When you actually speak to people who were close to these guys like Frank Warren you really understand that Lenny and Roy were nothing more than a couple of fellas you’d see with a reputation in your local pub for being able to handle themselves. That’s it!
The way people have blown their reputations up is laughable.
.... and yet you wouldn't step in the ring with either of them, would you? They were who they were because they won the vast majority of fights they had, they were better than the vast majority of men.... how do they NOT deserve their reputations exactly? Because they didn't do it in a mainstream, regulated way on your television screen? Because they didn't hype their fights up for months/years on end getting their sport confused with WWE for maximum fan anticipation? Do professional boxers get shipped in from another planet or something and just happen to know how to sell themselves while you blissfully ignore the multi-million dollar/pound corporate machines behind them who know how to toy with your emotions when it comes to hype?
@@darthpepe2994 you’ve gone off on a tangent about professional boxing and wrestling, two things I don’t watch simply because one is corrupt and the other is fake. I imagine both of them would have done well in wrestling because neither of them would have made it as pro boxers.
Lenny and Roy were tough men, I have no doubt of that. They were men who didn’t give a shit in certain situations but they did care about who they faced on the street, and don’t believe they were anything more than pub brawlers. Lenny wasn’t a professional fighter in any way. That was proven when he went in the ring with professional fighters and got hammered. Cliff fields knocked him out twice, he got KO’d by George “pappy” Langley, lost to Shaw and it’s well known he refused fights with Bartley Gorman and Lew Yates. I could reel off more names that beat Lenny but what’s the point. I actually think Lenny would have beaten Gorman simply through size alone. He was double the size of him but Lew Yates would have destroyed Lenny. Lew was a professional standard heavyweight, McLean wasn’t. And let’s not forget Jonny Waldron who smashed Lenny to bits twice.
Their reputations got blown right out of proportion in the 70’s because of the London gangster scene at that time. The Krays had put that scene into the celebrity limelight in the 60’s and everyone grasped it with both hands. Joey Pile saw a way of making serious money by staging fights (something the travelling community had been doing for years) and the public lapped it up. The 70,s and 80’s were ablaze with stories of bare knuckle fights in every town and city in the country but two names kept cropping up simply because it was London.
I even saw people comparing Lenny to Mike Tyson and asking the question “A prime Lenny vs a prime Tyson 🤦🏻♂️😂😂😂 how delusional people can get.
McLean and Shaw were nothing more than two debt collecting hard men who were made out to be supermen. Who would have gone unheard of if it wasn’t for Joey Pile and his money making schemes and the public blowing their reputations right out of proportion.
WELL SAID
@@darthpepe2994 your corny as fuck
@@ifiwas195 Very well said.
I always got the impression lenny was a bully after reading his book and Roy shaws. Lenny seemed to revel in intimidation that put me off but with shaw I got the impression he wouldn't go out of his way for trouble but if u asked for it he gave u it with interest.
smoking joe Roy shaw was a bully to mate
They were all bullies when you read their books they make out they were saints they were just nasty young thugs in their day
Down my way there’s a guy from Merthyr by the name of Malcolm price he’s got a book out making out he was a good guy but in reality he was a bully
mikefranky my old man was from Merthyr and he mentioned Malcolm Price and he reckons he was a massive bully also.. Been to Merthyr to visit my Nan when I was 17, not a nice place at all
@@mikefranky i used to spar with his son over dowlais nice fella.. heard pricey was a bit of a piss head and a bully people like that use intimidation.better off going off heavy on them works everytime
All the people like them that bang on about how much they hate bullies are bullies. They see it in themselves and try distance from it.
I met many guys when I worked at Gatwick Airport who saw Lenny fight and they all said that he lost far more fights than he ever let on. Lenny was a good story teller and although I would have run a mile from him, he wasn't invincible.
I read 'The Guvnor" - he made out he was a sort of Robin Hood but in short he was nothing else than a criminal who took advantage of people who showed him their good side. In particular the fella his wife was working for and who trusted them both. Lenny repaid him by stealing from his stock and selling it on.
Myths and legends - and Lenny was part of his own folklore.
He was exactly like Robin Hood exacts he stole from rich and gave to himself
Was this filmed inside of a Pringles can?
Sounds like you're wearing a wire trying to fit Frank up.
Looks like he should be wearing a bra
Awesome interview with frank 😢 shame the audio quality was not that good.
franks a real og and glad hes so honest about lenny
That reminds me: Toys R Us are having a sale on some kids' microphones.
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Great sound on this vid 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I thought it was me going deaf
great audio.. well done.
Next time do it scuba diving for a better sound.
frank was very lucky a certain fireman didn't put his lights out for good , still breathin frank
Any chance for subtitles as the poor audio makes its very hard to hear
best wishes for the new year & on & on & on & on, thanks for the boxing n' 'avin a larf>>>>abon>>>>
The self proclaimed 'hard men', or those who pose as such...are mostly hot air. One of the toughest blokes I ever knew was a humorous, friendly, quiet chap. Dogs loved him!
I fully agree with you, I'm a former pro MMA fighter and the hardest most dangerous guys I ever met looked like nothing and certainly didn't act hard because they didn't need to, I remember once a doorman at a fight venue was being a prick "suprise suprise" and wouldn't let this fighter in, the doorman was a big guy and was trying to intimidate him which didn't work at all and when he tried to put hands on him he was on the floor in a flash with his elbow almost being broken, the doorman was screaming like a little bitch it was hilarious, so the old saying is true never judge a book by its cover
Read his book, it was a good read,he was full of himself, claimed to be undefeated, came across as a real bully alright, some good stories in it, worth a read
Thank the lord for the adverts,i'm not going deaf after all
Did you make your own mic 😕
I Met Lenny back in the 70s when I used to deliver his newspapers. A bully ? Not to me, he gave me a fiver at Xmas , a lot of money when your pay was 1.25 a week .
Apparently if he took a shine to you it was a really good bloke to know we had a lad that used to work in a place that knew him very well and he was a sort of guy that would get picked on Lenny made sure that he didn't get picked he thought the world of Lenny pretty handy to have your own gorilla in toe lol
Class lol lol
Frank is 100% correct. Lenny was a tough man, brilliant street fighter but yes, a bully and a liberty taker. Also bad with money.
Celtic Spirit “also bad with money” like 99% of the UK then bruv hahaha
@@i_know_youre_right_but correct. Finance is the one thing they don't teach in schools. If people understood finance they would understand debt. Debt is how 1st world governments control the masses.
But Lenny was particularly bad. he was short sighted. He would take a 20k advance on a book or film and run off with the money and just knock them. But the book or film would have made him 40k. That sort of bad with money.
@C Klan McLean said in his years of being a doorman, he had thousands of fights, sounds rite.
@@celticspirit2890 and how do you know
Did you ask Frank to do his Bane impression for the interview?
Sound quality is awful
I didn't know Frank was a relation. It kinda says something when your own family call you a bully
Respect to Frank for telling it how was, most people would be way to scared to speak the truth.
He’s fucking dead
@@jimtheburrito4080 Believe me mate, there's no way in a million years that Frank Warren was intimidated by Lenny.
Please tell me why he should be respected, the man is fucking dead!
@@calmingcrist4515 Don't worry about it Harry
@@thehomefront1905
The linguistic grammar and etymology of your words leaves me somewhat perplexed as my name isn't Harry
Nice, an interview with frank warren under the sea
Where was the microphone, next door?
Calling Lenny a bully i think the kids picked on him thinking the bigger he is the harder he will fall might not of worked that way
Henry cooper would have battered McLean seven days a week twice on a Sunday if he could really fight he would have been in the ring with Bugner or Bruno
I don't think anyone is saying any different. In a boxing ring Mclean was average at best......its on the cobbles where he was a champ
McLean couldn't get a boxing license as he had convictions,he was unbeatable in an all in fight but not the best boxer
The majority of boxers would of beaten him under boxing rules. But bare knuckle anything goes he would of destroyed anyone.
@@matthewheseltine3018 Joe Bugner would have starched Lenny McClean within one punch
@@michaelmarron8441 😂😂😂
It’s a great vid....but why store the mic up your jacksy?
Meet Frank and Ernie is side kick 2 great men Frank knows everybody from the right side of the fence or the left side good luck with everything you do Frank take care stay safe
Was the microphone in a glass of water when this interview was done?
He couldn’t bully cliff fields tho
They knew cliffy fields would knock them all into next week,,
Or Kevin paddock
The flex is making me feel old. LPS 👍🏻
What’s up with the sound?!
Your content isn't worth waiting for TWO ads. 😴😴
Ill bring my snorkels and flippers for the next one.
I seen joe Pyle jr working with Frank last year together at a show and thought wow Joe Sr would be smiling down, but it's good to see relationships lasting decades upon decades even though frank just said there was a big row back in the day lol
Did you record this on a 3210
A shame about the awful sound quality as that was a great interview. Lenny was battered mercilessly by his Dad as a young boy,which probably explains the bullying.As is common the books about him portray some kind of Robin Hood character,truth is he was nasty,horrible bastard when the mood took him.Interesting stuff though.
It was his stepdad mate
Thanks for clearing that up mate.
I don’t know what they said sir, but they’ve loaded two torpedo bays and opened outer bay doors sir...
Floyd Mayweather Jr mastered the art of the Frank Warren shoulder roll.
Cor lovely sound on this one
At last someone who tells the truth on McLean
Mike Tyson came from the streets of New York sorry Lenny worshippers but with all due respect Mike in his prime Lenny in his prime ? Mike all day long!!! he would have Lenny for breakfast , Tyson was not a boxer like Ali!! he was a slugger with perfect technique and very powerful and fast.
Why do people slag people off when they are dead?....???Maybe you should of called Lenny a bully when he was alive and then you could of had a decent response from Lenny Rip.
Thanks Frank, real history.
Seconds in to this and I was out
A managed. 20
Rob Brydons man in a box is more audible
so hearn has the sought after footage of mclean shaw 1
was the sound recorded with a potato?
Heard lots of people call Lenny a bully, but if you read into his life and the horrendous abuse he suffered from his step-father it's not surprising why he would have reacted violently to the slightest provocation. Not that it's excusable of course, but I'm just saying he wasn't a normal person and it's quite sad how he ended up that way
Our paths are set from childhood, and that's were so much damage can be done. as parents we have to be so careful and to show them the right path
Exactly.
Crazy the size difference and Roy Shaw was in his 40s Lenny in his 20s twice his size and Roy still beat him but there was other guys like Paul Sykes who before he was a mess with alcohol and had spent his prime years in prison.. he used to spar Joe Frazier and Joe Frazier said he was the only guy when he was in the UK that could give him a good spar and hurt Joe with his left hook.. Joe Frazier is on record it's on RUclips talking about Paul Sykes and saying he's going to be a force in the heavyweight division the guy that beat Ali that's legit praise there.. and Roy Shaw said he wouldn't have fought Paul Sykes he was to big and to strong and a technical boxer.. Roy Shaw was a middleweight.. but Sykes ended up spending most of his life in prison and died a alcoholic.. and there was men more dangerous than him.. can't remember the guy's name but he beat Lenny McLean twice was a natural heavyweight Shaw also said he wouldn't have fought him he was to big.. he sparked Lenny out with a jab I'm sure.. and rumour has it he was supposed to throw that fight but hit Lenny with a jab flush knocked him out
@@carson3811 very interesting comment, but mine was about people calling Lenny a bully which I felt deserved some retrospect
Alot of people call men bullys wen they dont mind give out a slap the ones that say it are just gutless
Pritty much any hardman street fighter that has been were also bullys, not much of a surprise. They don't get a reputation by being nice.
Its like someone putting a blurry photo on facebook you just think why did you bother ffs
Lenny and frank are related btw. Lenny was his cousin
I have heard the stories read the books seen plenty of podcasts videos. The truth is Lenny McLean was useless in the ring..His biggest victories were against Roy Shaw who was way past his best overweight and.naturally a middleweight. He beat Lenny the first time by everyone's account he.beat him easily. Roy Shaw said the real Governor was Cliff Fields who beat Lenny twice easily. Lenny was supposed to fight Paul Sykes but Paul got injured which was lucky for Lenny. They replaced Sykes with a middleweight who went on to give Lenny a hiding. If he had of faced Paul Sykes he would of been smashed to pieces. Paul Sykes was a genuine heavyweight who could have a fight. Certainly better than any fighter Lenny McLean had ever fought. Lenny McLean lost six times in the boxing ring how comes none of them videos have ever surfaced?? Because Joe Pyle snr lived Lenny and seen to it the videos of him being ko'd and.beaten up never left the venue. Lenny McLean was a donkey useless
johnny waldron beat him twice, kevin paddock (a light heavy from southampton) KO'd him, cliff fields beat him twice and roy shaw once. Also, if you read judas pig, you realise his story about being shot outside a club was bullshit.he was shot in the arse by a sparring partner he took liberties with.
I know a bit about this too but good to read both the comments here , that Paul Sykes was a real case ha ha
Barry Dalton it was who shot him. Lenny couldn't do anything about it, he had to just accept it. Can't remember what they called him in Judas Pig and Lenny gives him a different name. But in real life it was Barry Dalton.
It’s well documented in the east end that Lenny was a bully and Roy Shaw was a gentleman, but Lenny became a gentleman later in life just before he died. You never took a liberty with either guy thought or else you would get hurt.
Cliff Fields 6 ft 7 Gentleman ,trained in his scrap yard ...Knocked Lenny out Twice ..yes Twice
A man from islington who done very well !
Bullies are generally insecure people who like to pick on weak people who they know they can beat
Insightful.
Was lenny a doorman at the gas club wardour street in late 90s early 2000
Daniel yes he was why?
Daniel Nicholls probably not. He died in 98
Died before lock stock was released in 1998 and was seriously for some time before that....plus he'd gotten into the acting quite big by then also so no way was he still working doors
@@themostfeared8633 ur talking shite. Why?
Big len on the door at Camden pali .
The sound is awful. You can barely hear Frank he is whispering. Does he have a mic ?
And there's Lenny saying "I give him ten out of ten".
Paul Sykes would of beat Lenny that fight was close to happening
Paul Sykes was some character!
@@ultraextreme8228 yeah i know lol.......it's sharks
@@drpepper4020 Sharks? You punch em on the bloody ear 'ole. Its the only language they understand.
@@JonSmith-cx7gr I had these pumps on when a did it
Was that be the same Paul Sykes turned his back on Gardener in the middle of a pro boxing match (don't usually criticise boxers its a tough game at any level but that degree of cowardice was the worst l have ever seen)and used to do work for Jimmy Savile and was alledged to be a prison bummer now deceased. E were right ard though ee by bum.