*Looked like GT cars. Handled like LMPs.* Okay, I might be exaggerating the last bit but they did look like they handled so much better than the present day GT3/GTEs.
I guess it's because the GT1 regulations allowed the cars to be lighter and with greater downforce than the lower classes. They might really handle better.
Modern GT3 cars aren't actually that much slower than GT1's. It's only a 1-2 second per lap difference. I wouldn't be surprised if the last GTE cars were actually FASTER than GT1's.
if one thinks that rwd strictly produces over-steer, and awd produces under-steer, that is incorrect. they both can produce over-steer and under-steer if adjusted properly.
@sethndavis Nissan Titan V8! Of course its a full race spec engine. I think it produces around 600hp. Not sure if they have restrictions on it in this video tho.
@LetterShow to be honest, i dont know why they dont. the experience i made with awd compare to rwd is that it was a lot slower due to the constant over and understeer in corners and the difficulty to get a good balance for the track with awd. i could imagine thats exactly the problem but i could just aswell be wrong. thats just the way i feel about awd compare to rwd
I'm sure its an FIA spec rule to start with. But honestly, RWD is a lot more comfortable for the drivers to race, it's more predictable and easier to set up. It's also much easier (read:quicker) to work on when there's a problem.
Rwd is a dominant setup due to its lightweight nature and simplicity. And AWD setups assist with launch not acceleration. look at the Hennessy venom and koenigsegg one:1. The extra weight from and awd system will lower the power to weight ratio, raise the center of gravity, and increase the vehicles inertia through a corner. if you think the front wheels assist in cornering, your wrong. an awd system directs the torque away from the front wheels through a corner utilizing its many differentials. these differentials aren't weightless however.
Awd is faster when it comes to low speed acceleration and momentum. Gt cars deal with high speeds. There is a reason why the fastest rally cars are all Awd. But the ability to dig out of tight corners is unnecessary at high speeds. Thus the reason front wheel drive is ditched. The added weight doesn't help when you need downforce to the tires and a weight balance closer to the centerline of the car.
Well I think AWD is even faster on a dry track but the tire wear on the front tires will be to great for endurance races, so basically every race except time attacks or something like that. Dont the tires wear off at about the same speed if you drive cleanly with RWD. And if you would take like 30% of the power from the rear tires, which makes them wear slower, and put that 30% on the front tires that would make the front tires wear off much faster. In the rain the raintires wear of much slower
if one wants to argue straight line speed between awd and rwd, just remember that with modern technology we have produced tires that can put down almost all of just about any cars power to the pavement. Top fuel nhra drag cars are rwd and produce up to 8000hp, and they run nearly 3 to 4 seconds in a quarter mile with an instantaneous launch. awd systems are not needed here due to the added weight and the fact that rwd with good enough tires will grip just fine.
people, ever heard of rules? gt cars are always rwd, they are made to match even in performance, they got rules for the engine and stuff as well to let all the cars be equal
Gt3 class cars have to be 2600 to 2800 lbs with 500-600 hp. There are no rules with what drive it is. Now this is the gt1 group. So anywhere from 1900 to 2200 lbs at about mid 600-700 hp for maybe an awd shaft is just for that class
The rules for using cars for GT1 is that there has to be sold a certain amount of production cars right? I think Nissan should produce a 2 seater supercar so they can also use it for GT1 and stuff. The GT-R is a great car, also for making racecars, but I think the big high sportscoupe body layout isnt the perfect match for races like this. Thats why the teams uses vettes and not camaros, and no ford mustangs but the GT.
RWD leaves the front end free of the engine's torque,which is not the case with AWD(under both deccelarating and accelarating).When the front tyres have nothing else to deal with,than braking and turning they perform better.The ultimate front end grip and responsiveness is essential in racing but in the real world's roads AWD is safer and easier to drive fast.That's why some good supercars adopt it it..On track though,RWD is always faster.
Thats the Difference. You ""think"" that AWD would be faster on a Dry Racetrack. But it isnt, and it have nothing to do with "Think" "Belive". Its all just Mathematics and Pysiks. And every Guy with Motorsport experience know exactly why RWD is faster on a Dry Ractrack and can explain everything with Pysiks. And if someone "think" or "belive" or "here somewhere something" than .........
Because they made for average user, not anyone can handle that much power on RWD. You can check every big track racing organization and all the cars are RWD. Formula1, WTCC, GT1 series etc. Because awd means more problems, lose of WHP, and much more weight. AWD has advantage on conditions like gravel and mud. They are fastest accelerating cars because they have more traction on straight line. But when it comes to cornering AWD is nothing but trouble. More simple it gets, more fast it is
best series ever
The golden era of GT racing
Why?
@@liviu543 best sounds, best looks
@@casscroute8706 Racing is way more than sounds and looks.
This is amazing footage from some amazing cars
Guyz is he said Carbon fiber brakes omg is it real?
@@Atila643 Yep
@@Spyker8921 carbon fiber? How? Mixed?
@@Atila643 Carbon-carbon, just like in F1.
@@Spyker8921 i mean carbon mixed with metal or ceramic?
*Looked like GT cars. Handled like LMPs.*
Okay, I might be exaggerating the last bit but they did look like they handled so much better than the present day GT3/GTEs.
I guess it's because the GT1 regulations allowed the cars to be lighter and with greater downforce than the lower classes. They might really handle better.
Modern GT3 cars aren't actually that much slower than GT1's. It's only a 1-2 second per lap difference. I wouldn't be surprised if the last GTE cars were actually FASTER than GT1's.
it's incredible how on board videos magnifize billion X the race amazement...
1:23 omg that snoring...
if one thinks that rwd strictly produces over-steer, and awd produces under-steer, that is incorrect. they both can produce over-steer and under-steer if adjusted properly.
I don't see how this is relavent to the video? The Murci and nissan are both rear wheel drive, they weren't allowed awd in gt1
It's great video!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!
@sethndavis Nissan Titan V8! Of course its a full race spec engine. I think it produces around 600hp. Not sure if they have restrictions on it in this video tho.
@LetterShow to be honest, i dont know why they dont. the experience i made with awd compare to rwd is that it was a lot slower due to the constant over and understeer in corners and the difficulty to get a good balance for the track with awd. i could imagine thats exactly the problem but i could just aswell be wrong. thats just the way i feel about awd compare to rwd
@r4mb4z4mb83 thank you so much!
Thanks
I miss GT1
I'm sure its an FIA spec rule to start with. But honestly, RWD is a lot more comfortable for the drivers to race, it's more predictable and easier to set up. It's also much easier (read:quicker) to work on when there's a problem.
@grinmaster1, thanks for your comment.
OH MY GOD
Rwd is a dominant setup due to its lightweight nature and simplicity. And AWD setups assist with launch not acceleration. look at the Hennessy venom and koenigsegg one:1. The extra weight from and awd system will lower the power to weight ratio, raise the center of gravity, and increase the vehicles inertia through a corner. if you think the front wheels assist in cornering, your wrong. an awd system directs the torque away from the front wheels through a corner utilizing its many differentials. these differentials aren't weightless however.
Awd is faster when it comes to low speed acceleration and momentum. Gt cars deal with high speeds. There is a reason why the fastest rally cars are all Awd. But the ability to dig out of tight corners is unnecessary at high speeds. Thus the reason front wheel drive is ditched. The added weight doesn't help when you need downforce to the tires and a weight balance closer to the centerline of the car.
Thanks. Could you tell where exactly? You have plenty of clips and I can't find the one.
Man o man this was some damn fine racing!
Well I think AWD is even faster on a dry track but the tire wear on the front tires will be to great for endurance races, so basically every race except time attacks or something like that. Dont the tires wear off at about the same speed if you drive cleanly with RWD. And if you would take like 30% of the power from the rear tires, which makes them wear slower, and put that 30% on the front tires that would make the front tires wear off much faster. In the rain the raintires wear of much slower
@r4mb4z4mb83, why is that? Because of weight or FIA spec?
nice.
@grinmaster1, I know that fwd "sucks", but what about AWD?
if one wants to argue straight line speed between awd and rwd, just remember that with modern technology we have produced tires that can put down almost all of just about any cars power to the pavement. Top fuel nhra drag cars are rwd and produce up to 8000hp, and they run nearly 3 to 4 seconds in a quarter mile with an instantaneous launch. awd systems are not needed here due to the added weight and the fact that rwd with good enough tires will grip just fine.
Why do people still use FWD
@@hertzwave8001 it's cheap for front engined cars
Who won the race and what race is this?
pagani needs to start with the zonda r already
people, ever heard of rules? gt cars are always rwd, they are made to match even in performance, they got rules for the engine and stuff as well to let all the cars be equal
Gt3 class cars have to be 2600 to 2800 lbs with 500-600 hp. There are no rules with what drive it is. Now this is the gt1 group. So anywhere from 1900 to 2200 lbs at about mid 600-700 hp for maybe an awd shaft is just for that class
lol not these cars
...it doesnt
haha CaptainSlow they are all RWD.
The rules for using cars for GT1 is that there has to be sold a certain amount of production cars right? I think Nissan should produce a 2 seater supercar so they can also use it for GT1 and stuff. The GT-R is a great car, also for making racecars, but I think the big high sportscoupe body layout isnt the perfect match for races like this. Thats why the teams uses vettes and not camaros, and no ford mustangs but the GT.
I wish FIA races were broadcasted in the US. F1 is a start, but I'd replace NASCAR with this any day.
TheProgGuy unless nascar is only on circuit
Commentators = John Watson and Ben Edwards? :-)
I was there standing at the first corner, the gtr's crashed right in front of me :p
what a shame this series died… 😢😢
Forza 4 needs a DLC pack with these cars, so sick!
And Pcars
What engine did the Nissan have in 2011?
V8
#NoOneCanBreakTheWinkelrock
Since when is the 0-60 time the most important feature in endurance races? -_- you ever see sprinters compete in marathons?
Also can someone tell me where I can watch these races? Old or new is fine. Also some Japanese JGTC?
Yes, I need this info aswell 😍
Love the FordGT but that lambs noise.... i can listen it until my ears bleed.
This cars are awd or rwd? Especially GT-R?
RwD
RWD leaves the front end free of the engine's torque,which is not the case with AWD(under both deccelarating and accelarating).When the front tyres have nothing else to deal with,than braking and turning they perform better.The ultimate front end grip and responsiveness is essential in racing but in the real world's roads AWD is safer and easier to drive fast.That's why some good supercars adopt it it..On track though,RWD is always faster.
Thats the Difference. You ""think"" that AWD would be faster on a Dry Racetrack.
But it isnt, and it have nothing to do with "Think" "Belive". Its all just Mathematics and Pysiks.
And every Guy with Motorsport experience know exactly why RWD is faster on a Dry Ractrack and can explain everything with Pysiks.
And if someone "think" or "belive" or "here somewhere something" than .........
Because they made for average user, not anyone can handle that much power on RWD. You can check every big track racing organization and all the cars are RWD. Formula1, WTCC, GT1 series etc. Because awd means more problems, lose of WHP, and much more weight. AWD has advantage on conditions like gravel and mud. They are fastest accelerating cars because they have more traction on straight line. But when it comes to cornering AWD is nothing but trouble. More simple it gets, more fast it is
FORD NEEDS TO BULT AN NEW FORD GT40 MK2 WITH NEW TECH AND A BIGGER V8 & BULIT THE FORD GT90
9:35 NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well tell me then. And doing so use proper English