Ann Rule wrote in her book "The Stranger Beside Me" that Ted Bundy was a nice guy who worked beside her as a telephone counselor in Seattle. She was floored when she realized that it was THAT Ted the police were looking for. It just goes to show that you really don't know someone like you think you do. 🤷🏼♀️
The late Ann Rule was born in 1935 and wrote 40 mainly true crime books, of which 35 made the NYT Bestsellers list, she was very productive and extremely successful, loaded, so “another woman clout chasing”? Hardly, lol, calm down, hon-bun. @Jason Voorhees
A single mom who lived next door to Bundy described him as friendly and nice. They were friends and he would watch her small son for her sometimes. He’d take him swimming and the boy finally told his mom he didn’t want to go with him anymore because he’d bite him while playing in the water but it hurt so that stopped. Bundy bit some of his victims but she never suspected he was the monster LE were hunting.
It’s a mistake of human judgment to assume that a psychotic monster must appear on the outside as one. But there are MANY examples of horrible monsters who appeared “normal” and “nice” on the outside.
As to the victims he chose : these were 3 very attractive, fun- loving , happy young women who fit into society. They might have represented the women who would not have been interested in him, perhaps even the girls who had bullied him in elementary school. They loved life & other people - unlike him- and these very attributes might have made them his hated targets.
I agree… I believe the young man murdered was just “in the wrong place at the wrong time”. These young women are beautiful and it does make sense that he could have had a deep resentment against women in general as he has been rejected numerous times and “bullied”. It seems random and not random at the same time. Usually it’s a psychotic ex or something as a stabbing is obviously VERY personal. In this case I believe these were innocent women targeted just because of what they represented to him… like a perfect storm came together inside him. My ❤ goes out to all the victims and their loved ones.
His alleged murders make sense when you look back at many other killers' motives . It's all about what they internalize and obsess over. We all want to understand "why", but sometimes we just can't. Thank goodness that a jury does not have to know a motive to convict.
Listened to a person talking about Dahmer, I think, they found his first killing was a 6,yo riding his bike. He was driving by and stabbed him without getting out. Psychopaths don't need a reason or they make up one they think sounds good. They have no feelings at all.
when i was in high school in 2001 i use to play euchre with a bunch of people during lunch period. less than 5 years later, one of those guys slit a cops throat and is in prison for life. he was a really nice, quiet guy who kept to himself. you never really know someone. 🤷🏻♀️
@@mirabella2154 i’m a quiet person who keeps to myself. i like being alone, i have a few friends but i’d never murder someone. it’s not always quiet people that do these terrible things
Why do you think he was the same person he was in 2001? Things happen in life that changes or make people do bad things. You or anyone here is immune to the same fate. It is naive to think only some people are capable of evil. No child is born wanting to be a serial killer. Everyone has the potential for evil, no matter how innocent you think you are.
I watch trials and true crime docs all the time...but, there is just something I can't quite pinpoint about this guy. His eyes send chills down my spine, like they have nothing behind them, his look altogether just shakes me to my core and I can not get an understanding on it!
I have seen that look. It can appear attractive in some ways, but when you really get to know the person, you realize there was drug use, the person wants and needs attention, and at times are suicidal. In a way it is sad, but in another when it is all about getting attention it is maddening. That is what the essence of this is. They guy I knew that looked this way hanged himself. Wasn't getting what he needed or wanted from life.
its not suspicious for a phD student in criminology to study the psychology of criminals but it does seem that he might have been trying to understand his own psychology surrounding potential and possibly persistent thoughts and urges of criminal activity.
You study crime and punishment, it's about getting a job as a probation officer, detective, FBI, sheriff it a path to law school, it's not about making horror movies.
some people don’t have motivations, some people are just mentally ill and simply do things because they can and want to. sometimes there is no reason. in this case, he was kaylees stalker and had stalked them and the house for months
I agree. I think he just hated women and since he had a fascination with crime just wanted to commit a crime. He choose this house likely because it was just an easy target. If the guy was on drugs like heroin what do you expect? Their brains are already messed up.
20 years ago, I was shot twice by a guy who had been stalking my girl (now my wife) and I for weeks. She broke it off with him months before without incident. We had no idea. I'm lucky to be alive today. My best advice to anyone is don't take tomorrow for granted. Also, you never truly know what someone's intentions are, no matter how long you've know them.
What a strange choice of age spectrum. A lot can happen to a person at any age, but especially during puberty, so between 12 and 18, and also when they’re around 24 which is when the frontal lobe fully develops.
@@ES11777they mean mentally because you’re starting to build that foundation and trying to find your place in the world. Your prefrontal cortex stops developing at age 25 and drugs or poor lifestyle can cause a lot of damage.
I can't help but feel that he may have killed before but just hasn't been caught until now. Authorities need to look into Missing Person and Murder cases in places where he has lived and through places he may have travelled.
I don't believe that tinder chick! Has she shown any proof that this is true? just like during the Chris Watts case that weird guy came out and said that he was dating Chris and met him through tinder which later on was proving a lie
It's funny how they talk about how much receipts mean and how many random people could just make anything up and right after put up a video of an attention seeking girl with no receipts
Great reporting and commentary Jesse Weber! Always upfront, truthful and informative. New and interesting information is helpful in trying to understand the “why” of this heinous crime that was committed. Anxious to hear about the preliminary hearing & all that is divulged.
We lived a Stones Throw from Jeffrey Dahmer . Didn't know him yet he was only 5 years younger. Fast forward to his trial, many people thought he was odd, not particularly evil or bad. Yet as more information came out, there were people who knew he had a fascination with dead small animals.. The area he grew up in is like a wonderland. Even today 30-40 years later. This is heartbreaking for the Moscow families and friends. Truly.
I am pretty sure Leonardo Davinci disssecttted animals and humans (deceased) to study every aspect of the body. I am not sure if Dahmer tortturred or just found them and dissected them.
Interesting. My uncle ran into the Greenriver killer at a tackle shop near B.C and after he was arrested, my uncle described the Greenriver killer from his interaction with him in public as… “he just seemed friendly and talked to me for a few minutes like anyone else. Not the kind of person who people suspect is a serial killer.”
dude what are you talking about? Dahmer was an absolute flippin WEIRDO in high school. add-in those that knew he had a fascination with dead animals, add-in no girlfriends and you can start profiling him.
@@hollyrodriguez3259 that isn't nearly enough information about a serial killer, especially one like the Greenriver killer who targeted WOMAN. he probably was cordial to men, and obviously hated women in a way none of us can fathom.
I grew up watching every episode of criminal minds, law & order etc. I always prided myself in having super strong intuition. In HS I started crushing on a boy in my class. I was a senior and we were gonna meet at my house one day and then I got this terrible feeling and cancelled. A week later his face was all over the news. He had attempted to kidnap and assault multiple women, succeeding in one attempt. He ended up escaping from custody and there was manhunt all over the city. I remember feeling so disgusted and confused. When I look back he had all the signs of a sociopath but I was completely blinded by his charm. It’s a very eerie feeling when the truth comes out about someone you know in this way
I feel as if I am the only person reminding people it's not our place to immediately assume guilt, as much as we all want someone pay for the horrific deaths those four children suffered, lets be sure it's the right person. Prayers for all of the families, including his.
You are definitely one of the few, if not the only person and it’s falling on deaf ears. But no amount of evidence will change peoples need to assign guilt. I read so many comments regarding the “massive amount of evidence”, which is simply not true. Do these people CARE about such facts? Apparently not.
He actually helped save the life of a staff member who was having a medical emergency. Very bizarre that he went from saving a life to taking four lives.
The burden of proof in the legal system is on the prosecution, but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the general public viewing someone as guilty when evidence overwhelmingly points to it. His DNA was on the knife sheath and CCTV footage caught him in the area at the time, apparently almost returning to the scene when he realized he left the knife sheath. Of course, it's good to be open to the remote chance that he's been framed, but that seems very unlikely.
Make sure to run out and by a giant microphone and show all of your old football pics from high school in every shot. Or sound like your about to cry on TikTok bc you knew him before supposedly. Gross!
Very true. Psychopaths and Sociopaths are chameleons and study body movements and behavior then copy it to disappear into the crowd. Many are unassuming and you would never in a million years suspect them.
Thank you for being one of the few creators I’ve seen who didn’t give out rumors, conspiracy theories or your own opinions as fact. Those who do their presentations with what I just mentioned are helping to fuel the mess this case become in the eyes of many.
I believe that he was trying to see if he was smart enough to kill and get away with it, by using what he was taught in school! He is a huge narcissist!!
I had this theory at first myself but as some evidence has come out I no longer believe this. He made far to many mistakes for someone with his knowledge if he were just trying to see if he could do it for that reason. First and foremost,.leaving behind the knife sheath. Even if there had been no DNA on it to trace it is solid evidence that could possibly be traced to manufacturers, selling companies, and purchaser if credit or bank card used. Secondly, having his cell phone with him up to 12 times as he was in the area of the murder scene and while he turned it off on the specific hours during the crime he returned afterward with his phone on as he drove passed the crime scene. He would have been smart enough (you would think) to not have his phone with him any time he was near that house. Not just turned off during the commission of the crime. Another mistake is traveling there in his own vehicle. To many mistakes for someone with his knowledge. That puzzles me. Maybe his hate and rage took over his thought process. I'm sure the police have more evidence, I just wonder if they have any idea of motive.
He certainly didnt know much.. to leave a knife sheath on a vics bed ... to pick a house where multiple people lived.. to drive by and ping on the cell tower out their house a million times. Very mistake filled to be a phd studying criminology. And this guy is supposed to be smart???
@@newway9857 no one seems to consider that it was his intention to get caught. I believe its possible that he wants to see if he can outsmart the judicial system not avoid capture.
I'm sorry for the beautiful victims and all the families, Bryan's family too. This is beyond horrific. There are no words. Justice can only occur in Heaven as the kids are comforted and healed. No pain no fear. Alive again but on Earth it's a huge hole . Im sorry for all this suffering. Karen Morente
@@matilda4406 yes. There are no winners here, just traumatic sadness all round, but at least they can still see and talk to their son. I do feel for them too having to wrap their head around the idea their son could have done this with DNA evidence. However my overriding pain is for the victims and their families and friends. This will have massive ramifications for years on all the families. What a selfish and vile little boy that person is.
My ex was extremely abusive, but he managed to fool most people around him/us. For the most part anyone that knew him socially thought he was amazing and just a super funny person. He was always happy and joking with them and went out of his way to be nice and helpful. These people may have considered him 'friends' but to me I considered them associates. However our friends or those much closer to us/him knew his true colours. It was impossible for him to keep up his facade the whole time. I mean I fell for it at the beginning, even living with him being with him 24/7, it took me months nearly years to realise just how bad he was, I think he tried harder to hide it from me. Of course there is only so long someone can hide their dark side, and it's so complex to know the intentions of whether some people have any control over these emotions or not. I really think it's a mental illness and it absolutely ruins peoples lives
Mental illness, everyone's go to excuse. It's literally crazy that folks cannot grasp the fact that there people around us who are evil & don't care, the bad seed. There is a reason some animals eat their young..
When he was coming out of the room when the roommate saw him coming out as she hears a whimper. Him saying " It's OK I'm gonna help you." I believe he had just attacked them but unfortunately one of the girls was still alive barely. That's what I get out of it. I couldn't imagine being attacked like that and him walking away as I'm dieing. I hope and pray that people everywhere are taking extra steps to keep safe. GOD BLESS. AMEN.
The way I understood it is that the surviving roommate heard him say that before she saw him, not that he said that to her. I believe he said that to XK who very likely came face to face with him, as her TikTok activity showed she was active around 4 am so still awake. XK might have heard the commotion upstairs and came out to investigate coming face to face with him at which point he said that to her.
That's correct. The typical line of a physo murderer - teasing her mind when he saw how frightened and vulnerable she was then gaining the sense of control by murdering her.
@@melonmelon7427 crazy , I still don't understand how he did all 4 without any issues. There's always 1that lives or gets away or something. None of these people kicked him off and screamed ?? how?
@@MarmaladeSally I think we will, Bryan doesn't need to talk or confess, LE searched his apartment and confiscated his computer and all his other belongings, I'm sure they found the answers there
Yall should be above this sensationalist fluff. There is nothing significant here, just people wanting to grab their 2 seconds of fame from knowing a high profile murderer. I would expect this from some RUclips channels but yall can do so much better.
@Kitten in the Moon Fact based has a 4 day old account. Probably will need to get a new one by next week. It claims to know everything by magic. It's probably a flat Earther.
Does anyone realize that our collective examination of this individual might be his ultimate motive which is someone trying to understand him seeing that he had such difficulty with interpersonal relationships and now the idea of people being obsessed with trying to get into his mind might be ultimate ‘intimacy’ to him ?
Yep I'm just wondering how he did it by himself it was a party drug house there is so much more to this i seen comments the other 2 roommates called other friends why to remove drugs ect. Then they called the cops hmmm so much more to this
From what Josh said, it sounds like either something major changed in a short time, or his ability to handle something brand new to him revealed something about him that was there all along.
If anything, he has a great future as a writer. The first book can be titled "What NOT TO DO when you aspire to be a successful killer." Should be a best seller.
Pretty sure you are not allowed to profit from the commission of a crime, including writing a book thats focus is on the crime as the convicted. So if he does, at least he wont get the $$$
Having a class with someone doesn’t mean you know someone ! Idk why the media puts all these statements on. It’s mostly likely not going to happen but can you imagine if for some reason he proves his innocence. No matter what in the public opinion he is done . And before anyone starts with the whole he is guilty and blah blah I’m NOT saying he is innocent I’m NOT saying he is guilty . I’m just saying wait till legal stuff plays out and until then the media shouldn’t give attention to people who in reality can’t say they know him .
Even if it had already gone to trial and he was found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, I see no reason to give these people any attention. It's what they are looking for. It's pathetic.
@Facts Based. based on Al evidence I’m pretty sure he did but if it turns out he didn’t I wonder how awkward it’s gonna be when he has to interact with people again. Lots of burnt bridges with all the people talking about him.
He HAD to have crossed paths with one of those kids in a restaurant, bar, somewhere. I bet one of those girls told him to eff off, blew him off, made fun of him, or something. Something that triggered the feelings of being bullied as a kid. I’d bet money on it
@FckJB why do you think he's innocent??? The police have evidence and a knife with his dna on it also his phone pinged in the area on the same night of the murder multiple times driving around...... and he has dna on him from kaylee the victim if their was 2 of them the police would of got them ........
I agree about his eyes in the photo they use most often...but there's a tendency to use photos of suspects that make them look threatening or crazy, and photos of victims where they appear nice and wholesome...if they used my driver's license photo, you'd think I was guilty of *something.*
This isn't always the case. I always had that dead stare of blankness but I'm just a daydreamer. Sometimes I look mad when I'm lost in the clouds thinking about very happy things.
“I’m not doing this for clout” what are you doing then? Looking for sympathy and what!? Who cares you knew him and have pictures? What are you contributing to the investigation and the families? Everything you did is for clout. I’m talking about the 2nd girl haven’t made it through it all yet
So the co-anchor met the neighbor and "learned more". She asked -- "Did you ever hear anything up there or anything like that?" Wow, great in-depth journalism there.
The second ‘blast from the past’ says that Kohberger was “a pudgy guy’ at university, in 2018. I thought Kohberger had lost the excess weight by his last year of high school. Yo-yo?
Thanks for bringing all this information together brother because I'm looking for everything in relation to this case and it seems that almost no one really says anything really about how it's happened so far!
I don't think the first dude knew him at all.. he said that bryan was pugdy, and that was in 2018(date on project). From my understanding bryan lost his weight at the end of high school. You can even see a picture of him from 2017 in the 2nd girls picture at the wedding and he looks exactly the same...
@@mariee.5912 Not the law definition of hearsay so don't assume that's how it's being used. I'm talking about unsubstantiated information given by these "friends" and "acquaintances". Go look at the definition in a dictionary.
I think the fact that BK didn’t value his own life and felt his own life was a meaningless existence is motive enough or answers the “how could he question”. If his life didn’t matter then to him no one else’s life did either.
I dont think so..he was doing alot of proactive things..like getting a PhD..being TA..had an apt..he wasnt running around burglarizing and mugging people..something doesn't add up.
I really feel for the victims families as I think they are looking for answers as to why this was done & I don’t think they are going to get those answers unfortunately! Usually people that commit such heinous crimes like this never give a reason “why” & the families are always left to wonder.
And the way it was so personal. Could you imagine taking 4 peoples lives with a knife?? Its sick and i just dont get it. Cant wrap my head around it. Did one of the girls rebuff his advances? Was it revenge for his perception of being talked down to by one of these victims?? Surely this cant just be him picking a random house out of the blue? So sad, so senseless.
People want to know the teason why, but don't understand that there is none. The murderer is not able to reason, to think like we do, to understand their own thoughts and feelings. When someone is not in their right mind, there is no sense of reason.
@@wildflower1397 if they’re “not in their right mind” then they will be diagnosed as such and then be able to use the insanity defence. The sad state of things is that sometimes people are in their right mind but are just evil. I know this isn’t your intention, but you’re kinda giving him a free pass…
I watch a lot of true crime shows and when people are stabbed to death multiple times , the detectives always seem to say “it looks like a crime of passion , somebody they knew” I think if he said that , he might have been miss leading them because they are not finding a connection to him knowing them personally. Maybe he wanted to see if he could get away with it. He thinks he is smarter then he is. He’s evil !
But even the people who knew him or met him at some point, even the people who describe him as a nice guy, they've all also said something like "he was odd" or different, or quiet, or a loner, or just something seemed off with him. Another thing I've heard most all say was that he was intelligent and wanted everyone to know he was. If we go back to the Tapatalk postings, he'd been having mental problems as early back as 15-16 years old, he stated Sept 21, 2009. Him recalling that specific date, and not just a month or year, makes me believe that he may have experienced something traumatic on that date or in the couple days leading up to that date...and event that caused him a LOT of fear and anxiety, that sent him into that dark place. Now, do not get me wrong...there are NO excuses for what he did and he has to pay the price if he's guilty, but I do always wish to understand causes or what lead up to something so horrific.
Every teenage boy is odd in the eyes of teenage girls. Also in hindsight, being aware of his crimes, your description/opinion from back in school, when you knew him, would be corrupted by your current opinion.
Everybody has a bit of narcissism in them, but people who come out like these people have a bit more than that. Unless they are named in the case somewhere, idgaf what Miss. Desperado has to say.
When I was in high school there was a guy at my friend table who I ate lunch with every day. He was very clean cut, quiet and kind. Several years later I saw him in the news that he killed his three young daughters to get revenge on his ex wife. I could NOT believe it was the same person. You never know people or what may drive them to this, or maybe he snapped, who knows-I just can’t believe it, I’d have never imagined he’s grow up to do that.
Re the neighbor who said that after the murders BK asked if he had heard about it and said that it “seems there are no leads” and that it “seems it was a crime of passion”, this is what MANY ppl were saying! Officials and reporters and guests and everywhere online and in everyday conversations! To suggest that this is incriminating is really stretching it, and in fact, it’s helping to foster a mob mentality that wants to burn BK at the stake without knowing all the facts and without him being found guilty. Pretty disappointed in LCN.
Someone called into another podcast saying that house was a known drug house and if you wanted ecstasy, that was the place. The surviving roommates actually saw three men outside and think two came in and one watched out . They think the survivors called friends the next morning and people came over to clean up drugs, sorority house friends, that's why they waited to call. I figured that drugs were involved with the roommates but if it's true, there were three men, BK was one of them. It also explains why he veered off course on the way home from the incident.
I saw that too. Makes sense why she called friends to help unload the drugs then call cops. That’s also why they say law enforcement could be hurt or worse if certain info came out. Big drug deals going on allegedly.
Just because someone thinks a person looks like a cold blooded killer doesn’t make them a cold blooded killer. Everyone looks different when they lose weight! Innocent until proven guilty. There is no connection with the students There is no motive There is no weapon Only time and evidence will tell! Let justice be done!
@@agronskylshe's just another uneducated person who doesn't understand what "innocent until proven guilty means". she doesn't understand the judicial system. her straw man at the beginning is such a weak attempt at making her point, also.
I think he didn't want to speak to any of his classmates about the murders because he found it hard to detach himself from what he did, and the least little discussion might trigger an involuntary tell, his voice getting higher, or him seeming tense or peculiar compared to his usual self when discussing such cases. They would expect him to be more animated and excited about it as they were. This was big national news and it happened in their backyard. Also, they aren't regular students. They might be very sensitive to even little differences. If he really lost it, they'd be laughing or gossiping behind his back, "Did you hear that? He sounded like he did it!" By being silent, they could assume that maybe he is thinking about it, or that maybe he wanted to wait for more information, because he always likes to be right about his analysis.
@@1ACL Yes, but it was just one line, "Yeah, they think it's a crime of passion." That's much different than talking about it with fellow grad students, and I think the neighbor asked him. Edit: Whoops, I was wrong. Bryan actually brought it up first to his neighbor, asking, "Did you hear about those murders?" But that was probably because he knew his neighbor knew he studied criminology, and that EVERYONE knew about this murder, so it would be natural for Bryan to mention it.
I’m sure he interacted quite differently with his male colleagues than he did with the ladies. Guys don’t have the intuition that we do because they don’t have the vulnerabilities that women do.
His night time routine was most likely due to his school schedule. Me personally I struggle to sleep at night and most of my sleep happens during the day so if I can get away with it I do most of my cleaning and regular living at night, but that doesn't mean anything. I cannot wait to hear all there is to be had when all there is to be out in the open.
But his vacuuming and doing other loud activities could also indicate antisocial traits. He knows a family lives below him, knows there are kids and tired parents. As self conscious as he was, I highly doubt he was oblivious to how his noise could affect them. No, I think he made the deliberate choice to do these things. Social norms would dictate otherwise hence, antisocial
@Francisco Toscano calling someone ugly is not a joke its called bullying...... think before you speak this can really effect someone's mental health you know......
It sickens me how everybody prejudges this guy, because he looks like stolen from a film noir set. The way this program ask: "Oh, why did he do it?" But, just for the record, we don't no if he did it yet - what a lazy excuse. It is all a highly sensationalist circus, that could cost an innocent suspect life and have a killer run free. You have an obligation to keep your report responsible and sober!
the most cogent explanation I have seen come from RUclipsr "Better Bachelor" who postulated that Kohberger was bullied by high school and college females, that he carried a grudge as an incel and wanted to extract revenge. Also as a Criminology grad student he had "academic" motivations however bizarre that is.
I believe his only reason was solely his own bloodlust. I believe he was looking for a victim when he found these girls. If it was revenge, he would have taken the time to talk to them and get into their heads. He would want to hurt them mentally and emotionally, not just quickly kill them. He was in and out too quick for this to be a personal attack on them. It was just him living out his fantasy.
I think he may have done a horrifying multiple murder like this mostly for the attention and fame, not that he doesn't have some urge to kill or punish, or that the blood lust thing isn't very real with some serial killers, like Ted Bundy for example. He felt like killing himself once before, and maybe he decided this is the way he wanted to go out. The second most likely possibility is that he thought he could outsmart the police, and that he wouldn't be caught because he's too intelligent. However, when it came down to the actual murders, nothing was simple, and when he left the sheath behind, now knowing it had his DNA on the snap, it's pretty much over for him. I don't think he'll even fight it or reveal his motives, because he now knows they probably have a ton of other evidence. He has not given up though, he'll want a long trial, see how many fans (incels mostly) and marriage proposals he can get along the way, or authors wanting to write books about him.
I once came into contact with a young man who was studying at Washington University in Saint Louis Missouri. He told me that he was having like a tape recorded message playing in his head that wouldn't stop. He also said he was working on his master's in mathematics. I know stress can cause such things like a song in your head, playing over and over again, but not where it becomes non stop. Anyhow, he had an operation called a frontal lobotomy and that stopped that tape from playing. I don't know if he was ever going back to the University to study. But the fact remains that over stimulus of the brain can lead to mental illness. Not everyone is an Einstein...
Wow..What a story..and interesting procedure Glad that surgery fixed his problem. I wish we can know more about this like what exactly his pre surgery illness is called the medical term for it and what kinda lobotomy. Was it experimental op? Where can we find more info about it? If its similar kinda condition like BK has & if it were done on him, I wonder if that could help him cure his condition..🤔
@@notimetodienttd1115 I don't know... But I do know that the surgery entails using a strip of gold inserted in the eye cavity and severs the connection of the frontal lobe. I'm not a medical person, but an automotive technician by trade, so I've a deep understanding of the mechanics involved. That person that told me his story was in the hospital at the same time I was. I can't give you anymore details, because of confidentiality. This maybe if more interest to you, a young man, supervisor for the railroad back in the late 1800s was accidentally injured when a spike was accidentally shot up in the air and went through his skull. He had lost his ability to control his emotions and became disabled. Many Drs began to study him and found his frontal lobe had been disconnected, as well as more injury to his brain. Sorry, but I don't know anything more about it. But you can find that story by Googling it. Thanks for your interest 🙂
Why does everyone keep saying he was overweight when in every photo the girl showed he was lean? The 2017 wedding photo had him looking the same as in the court photos, so how was he allegedly barely recognisably overweight in 2018 as the first TikToker alleged?
You do know that Manson never killed anyone yet took all the blame for a Hollywood drugs burn that went wrong and then covered over with the cult story!?
@@dogworld3485 I'd like to know what proof anyone has he was a heroin addict. Don't you have to shoot heroin? It seems like an addiction that can't be easily kept hidden. I love your dog! What a cutie! 💓🐕💓
Good work Jesse always looking forward to your reporting excellent work Would love to see you guys. Try to do an interview on the parents of this fellow even if you didn’t get one it would be nice to see their reaction.
Ann Rule wrote in her book "The Stranger Beside Me" that Ted Bundy was a nice guy who worked beside her as a telephone counselor in Seattle. She was floored when she realized that it was THAT Ted the police were looking for. It just goes to show that you really don't know someone like you think you do. 🤷🏼♀️
As you can see from this video, men clout-chase, as well. But it only bothers you if a woman does it. Incel eejyet.
Nah I’m pretty sure there are red flags when someone’s a monster it’s just that a lot of people aren’t trained to notice…or capable of doing so imo
The late Ann Rule was born in 1935 and wrote 40 mainly true crime books, of which 35 made the NYT Bestsellers list, she was very productive and extremely successful, loaded, so “another woman clout chasing”? Hardly, lol, calm down, hon-bun.
@Jason Voorhees
Definitely true, what about these husbands who kill their wives?
A single mom who lived next door to Bundy described him as friendly and nice. They were friends and he would watch her small son for her sometimes. He’d take him swimming and the boy finally told his mom he didn’t want to go with him anymore because he’d bite him while playing in the water but it hurt so that stopped. Bundy bit some of his victims but she never suspected he was the monster LE were hunting.
It’s a mistake of human judgment to assume that a psychotic monster must appear on the outside as one. But there are MANY examples of horrible monsters who appeared “normal” and “nice” on the outside.
monsters with cold hearts and manipulative ways are everywhere from work to church.
True, I'm polite, quite, nice to everyone.... my mind is also full of death.
@@davidgetchell630 thanks for sharing.
@GR sanger exactly dosnt matter how full his bag of qualifications are hes human and has made mistakes covering up his vile murders
@@colleenshea2293that’s right
As to the victims he chose : these were 3 very attractive, fun- loving , happy young women who fit into society. They might have represented the women who would not have been interested in him, perhaps even the girls who had bullied him in elementary school. They loved life & other people - unlike him- and these very attributes might have made them his hated targets.
I very much agree with this
@@isabellefarrand444 me too. This case reeks of incel social envy.
@@G123. in a way, it’s sad
I agree… I believe the young man murdered was just “in the wrong place at the wrong time”. These young women are beautiful and it does make sense that he could have had a deep resentment against women in general as he has been rejected numerous times and “bullied”. It seems random and not random at the same time. Usually it’s a psychotic ex or something as a stabbing is obviously VERY personal. In this case I believe these were innocent women targeted just because of what they represented to him… like a perfect storm came together inside him. My ❤ goes out to all the victims and their loved ones.
well I mean, this is pretty much the motivation any time a serial killer kills women, .....so...kinda stating the obvious
His alleged murders make sense when you look back at many other killers' motives . It's all about what they internalize and obsess over. We all want to understand "why", but sometimes we just can't. Thank goodness that a jury does not have to know a motive to convict.
We really need to find out
Listened to a person talking about Dahmer, I think, they found his first killing was a 6,yo riding his bike. He was driving by and stabbed him without getting out. Psychopaths don't need a reason or they make up one they think sounds good. They have no feelings at all.
As a parent the ‘why’ is important, I’d assume. Human curiosity needs to know the why imo. You’re so right, thank God the jury doesn’t need a why!
@Jason Voorhees same, Jason
Makes sense to her now! She wants to know why but will never know why! Perfect. Sense.
But science needs to so that doesn't happen again .
when i was in high school in 2001 i use to play euchre with a bunch of people during lunch period. less than 5 years later, one of those guys slit a cops throat and is in prison for life. he was a really nice, quiet guy who kept to himself. you never really know someone. 🤷🏻♀️
It's the quiet guys that keep to themselves that would do something like that.
When do people get that.
@@mirabella2154 i’m a quiet person who keeps to myself. i like being alone, i have a few friends but i’d never murder someone. it’s not always quiet people that do these terrible things
@@mirabella2154 Please don't make such an ill-founded generalization!
Why do you think he was the same person he was in 2001? Things happen in life that changes or make people do bad things. You or anyone here is immune to the same fate. It is naive to think only some people are capable of evil. No child is born wanting to be a serial killer. Everyone has the potential for evil, no matter how innocent you think you are.
@Post-Apoc Space Dolphin Posadist from Uranus "never say, 'never,' friend." 💞
I watch trials and true crime docs all the time...but, there is just something I can't quite pinpoint about this guy. His eyes send chills down my spine, like they have nothing behind them, his look altogether just shakes me to my core and I can not get an understanding on it!
Its the meth looking eyes hes just a spaz. His brain short circuited
Evil!
Ur right re eyes n demeanor, nothing "real looking".
Such horror for poor families.
Same💯
There's definitely more to the story
I have seen that look. It can appear attractive in some ways, but when you really get to know the person, you realize there was drug use, the person wants and needs attention, and at times are suicidal. In a way it is sad, but in another when it is all about getting attention it is maddening. That is what the essence of this is. They guy I knew that looked this way hanged himself. Wasn't getting what he needed or wanted from life.
@@sfilkins2009 bro what is this called you just described me 😭
its not suspicious for a phD student in criminology to study the psychology of criminals but it does seem that he might have been trying to understand his own psychology surrounding potential and possibly persistent thoughts and urges of criminal activity.
Thats why I think he majored in it too. Some people study psychology for the real reason of trying to figure themselves out. No difference here.
You study crime and punishment, it's about getting a job as a probation officer, detective, FBI, sheriff it a path to law school, it's not about making horror movies.
@@michelleflynn9725 how do you know any of that, no evidence or details of the crime scene have been released other than it was a griisly scene
I agree
Most if not all shrinks are troubled. Jordan Peterson for example.
If this Bryan guy is the killer, I really hope he opens up and explain what was his motivation. This is a very weird confusing case
some people don’t have motivations, some people are just mentally ill and simply do things because they can and want to. sometimes there is no reason. in this case, he was kaylees stalker and had stalked them and the house for months
I agree. I think he just hated women and since he had a fascination with crime just wanted to commit a crime. He choose this house likely because it was just an easy target. If the guy was on drugs like heroin what do you expect? Their brains are already messed up.
He is the killer and he won't because he's a coward
@@BethLove333 Nope, literally you are guilty until you are proven innocent. Don't fool yourself, that's just what they say.
@@BethLove333 this sicko is not human and guilty af!
Nothing exists that 'could help us understand why' ANYONE would do this.
In his warped mind the victims stood in the way of getting his PHD
Well said. Nothing, absolutely nothing. This BS should never cross anyone's mind. If it does it would be to their advantage to just get help.
Absolutely agree. Even if he did a press conference and explained 'why', what could he possibly say for anyone to think...ahhhh, now I understand.
Mental illness
If you read the Bible, you will find out the "why".
My mama always told us in the 1960’s, “There’s a thin line between sanity and insanity”.
My mom told me that same thing. I was born late 50's
And shouldn't it be called outsanity? Our English language has some funny words.
The quote is "there's a fine line between genius and insanity."
@@coloraturaElise “between love and hate” another popular quote...
I was nine years old in the 60's and my bedtime story was all about the Charles Manson murders.
20 years ago, I was shot twice by a guy who had been stalking my girl (now my wife) and I for weeks. She broke it off with him months before without incident. We had no idea. I'm lucky to be alive today. My best advice to anyone is don't take tomorrow for granted. Also, you never truly know what someone's intentions are, no matter how long you've know them.
Stop lying clown.
You are a clown 🤡.
Shut up.
Hope you & your family are doing well today!!
its afraid me again more i dont feel secure for everything but nice advice
I’ve been shot too over a woman. Now i can’t walk. 17yrs now.
Alot can happen to a person mentally between the age of 18 and 28
What a strange choice of age spectrum. A lot can happen to a person at any age, but especially during puberty, so between 12 and 18, and also when they’re around 24 which is when the frontal lobe fully develops.
@@ES11777they mean mentally because you’re starting to build that foundation and trying to find your place in the world. Your prefrontal cortex stops developing at age 25 and drugs or poor lifestyle can cause a lot of damage.
@@ES11777 it's not strange that's the time frame he was posting on reddit..
@@strawberryxoxo6841 I agree
Coming next week…..Bryan’s first grade teacher remembers he had “bushy eyebrows” and “evil looking eyes”. Story at 11.
When you meet someone you never meet them, only their public representative. Sometimes you get to meet the person, sometimes you never do.
Exactly, we often never meet anyones authentic self.
That is a great point. Very true.
The "lucky" victims got to meet the person, and not just the person's public representative.
How many more random people are going to come out of the woodwork because they spent 5 minutes with this dude?
I was in the stall next to BK. I knew his bowels had an evil thunder to them.
I was in the traffic light next to him back in 2014.
So sad to hear about the victims may they all rest in peace 🕊️🕊️
Shut up
I can't help but feel that he may have killed before but just hasn't been caught until now.
Authorities need to look into Missing Person and Murder cases in places where he has lived and through places he may have travelled.
Good point. The missing person list is sometimes over looked. He may have killed before.
5 felony Charges I wouldn't want to be in his Shoes 👟 👟
He was so clumsy with this murder and caught so quickly, I doubt it.
@@captainmacruff1893 Yeah he is done for.
They are, other police departments in surrounding areas said they are going back to some cold cases.
I don't believe that tinder chick! Has she shown any proof that this is true? just like during the Chris Watts case that weird guy came out and said that he was dating Chris and met him through tinder which later on was proving a lie
I agree.
The jury will determine all that.
Agree
It's funny how they talk about how much receipts mean and how many random people could just make anything up and right after put up a video of an attention seeking girl with no receipts
What?! Oh come on! Next ya gonna say she does her hair that way for attention..😏
How do we know that this pink haired girl actually went out with Bryan? Is there any PROOF that she even went on a date with him?
Right!? Those apps show history, if she had it she would've shown it
She be lyin
I had a friend who was accused of something really terrible and landed in prison for two decades. Still so creepy and confusing
Bryan Kohberger looks a lot like a young version of Bill Nye the science guy.
Great reporting and commentary Jesse Weber! Always upfront, truthful and informative. New and interesting information is helpful in trying to understand the “why” of this heinous crime that was committed. Anxious to hear about the preliminary hearing & all that is divulged.
9⁰⁰
Agree! Jesse is great & I love catching him on prime crime or law and crime daily 😊
Just imagine been a parent of Bryan, how deeply sad and devastating it is! I feel from my heart for all families and friends 😢😢
We lived a Stones Throw from Jeffrey Dahmer . Didn't know him yet he was only 5 years younger. Fast forward to his trial, many people thought he was odd, not particularly evil or bad. Yet as more information came out, there were people who knew he had a fascination with dead small animals.. The area he grew up in is like a wonderland. Even today 30-40 years later.
This is heartbreaking for the Moscow families and friends. Truly.
I am pretty sure Leonardo Davinci disssecttted animals and humans (deceased) to study every aspect of the body. I am not sure if Dahmer tortturred or just found them and dissected them.
Interesting. My uncle ran into the Greenriver killer at a tackle shop near B.C and after he was arrested, my uncle described the Greenriver killer from his interaction with him in public as… “he just seemed friendly and talked to me for a few minutes like anyone else. Not the kind of person who people suspect is a serial killer.”
No you didn’t
dude what are you talking about? Dahmer was an absolute flippin WEIRDO in high school. add-in those that knew he had a fascination with dead animals, add-in no girlfriends and you can start profiling him.
@@hollyrodriguez3259 that isn't nearly enough information about a serial killer, especially one like the Greenriver killer who targeted WOMAN. he probably was cordial to men, and obviously hated women in a way none of us can fathom.
I grew up watching every episode of criminal minds, law & order etc. I always prided myself in having super strong intuition. In HS I started crushing on a boy in my class. I was a senior and we were gonna meet at my house one day and then I got this terrible feeling and cancelled. A week later his face was all over the news. He had attempted to kidnap and assault multiple women, succeeding in one attempt. He ended up escaping from custody and there was manhunt all over the city. I remember feeling so disgusted and confused. When I look back he had all the signs of a sociopath but I was completely blinded by his charm. It’s a very eerie feeling when the truth comes out about someone you know in this way
I feel as if I am the only person reminding people it's not our place to immediately assume guilt, as much as we all want someone pay for the horrific deaths those four children suffered, lets be sure it's the right person. Prayers for all of the families, including his.
EXACTLY WELL SAID …
I pray for the young adults victims
Correct! Prisons are full of innocent/financially poor people 💀💀💀
It’s also not your place to lecture. Your generation is so lame.
You are definitely one of the few, if not the only person and it’s falling on deaf ears. But no amount of evidence will change peoples need to assign guilt. I read so many comments regarding the “massive amount of evidence”, which is simply not true. Do these people CARE about such facts? Apparently not.
Taking one course in college with someone doesn’t mean you know them or knew them
Exactly sometimes people just go to class and get out without trying to even make friends
it's means they know him a lot better than do you
I’m so heartbroken for the victims and family. My God this world is beyond evil!
May God help the families and friends have some semblance of peace.
💔💔😞😞
To think he was a security guard at a school gives me chills.
He actually helped save the life of a staff member who was having a medical emergency. Very bizarre that he went from saving a life to taking four lives.
@@reminiscer15somewhere said he took drug.
He's still innocent. Until proven guilty.
@@NickKautz no jodas manden este maje a la carce
@@reminiscer15no truly 100 percent knows that he did it alone or did it all him self or if he was hired or he hired .infinite amount of possibilities
It's pretty sick how in America we have a presumption of innocence but nobody gives people that in conversation.
The burden of proof in the legal system is on the prosecution, but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the general public viewing someone as guilty when evidence overwhelmingly points to it. His DNA was on the knife sheath and CCTV footage caught him in the area at the time, apparently almost returning to the scene when he realized he left the knife sheath. Of course, it's good to be open to the remote chance that he's been framed, but that seems very unlikely.
Make sure to run out and by a giant microphone and show all of your old football pics from high school in every shot. Or sound like your about to cry on TikTok bc you knew him before supposedly. Gross!
His dna was on that knife cover under kaylees body!!!
This video is 16 minutes of jaw jacking by Jesse, and 6 minutes of good information.
Everyone who ends up being a serial killer led a double life & people were shocked! They know how to blend in!
Exactly thats how they always get away with it
he isn't a serial killer
He is definitely a serial killer. Do you know what the definition means?
@@hanafawaz235 he is a spree killer
Very true. Psychopaths and Sociopaths are chameleons and study body movements and behavior then copy it to disappear into the crowd. Many are unassuming and you would never in a million years suspect them.
Thank you for being one of the few creators I’ve seen who didn’t give out rumors, conspiracy theories or your own opinions as fact. Those who do their presentations with what I just mentioned are helping to fuel the mess this case become in the eyes of many.
I believe that he was trying to see if he was smart enough to kill and get away with it, by using what he was taught in school! He is a huge narcissist!!
But took his phone to the scene 10 times before the crime . Not verry smart 🤦♂️
I had this theory at first myself but as some evidence has come out I no longer believe this. He made far to many mistakes for someone with his knowledge if he were just trying to see if he could do it for that reason. First and foremost,.leaving behind the knife sheath. Even if there had been no DNA on it to trace it is solid evidence that could possibly be traced to manufacturers, selling companies, and purchaser if credit or bank card used. Secondly, having his cell phone with him up to 12 times as he was in the area of the murder scene and while he turned it off on the specific hours during the crime he returned afterward with his phone on as he drove passed the crime scene. He would have been smart enough (you would think) to not have his phone with him any time he was near that house. Not just turned off during the commission of the crime. Another mistake is traveling there in his own vehicle. To many mistakes for someone with his knowledge. That puzzles me. Maybe his hate and rage took over his thought process. I'm sure the police have more evidence, I just wonder if they have any idea of motive.
He would of learned never leave a witness alive.
He certainly didnt know much.. to leave a knife sheath on a vics bed ... to pick a house where multiple people lived.. to drive by and ping on the cell tower out their house a million times. Very mistake filled to be a phd studying criminology. And this guy is supposed to be smart???
@@newway9857 no one seems to consider that it was his intention to get caught. I believe its possible that he wants to see if he can outsmart the judicial system not avoid capture.
I'm sorry for the beautiful victims and all the families, Bryan's family too. This is beyond horrific. There are no words. Justice can only occur in Heaven as the kids are comforted and healed. No pain no fear. Alive again but on Earth it's a huge hole . Im sorry for all this suffering. Karen Morente
I'm glad you said Bryan's family too. These people are individual and family members are not the same.
There are two words I can think of : involuntary celibate. This is the root cause for people like Brian.
Heaven doesn’t exist.
@@matilda4406 yes. There are no winners here, just traumatic sadness all round, but at least they can still see and talk to their son. I do feel for them too having to wrap their head around the idea their son could have done this with DNA evidence. However my overriding pain is for the victims and their families and friends. This will have massive ramifications for years on all the families. What a selfish and vile little boy that person is.
He may have had latent homosexual ideation as well.
"He was such a nice guy!" -this is what they all say when someone does heinous things
Bundie didn't know his victims either lol
He said something when he was caught, "am I the only one being arrested"?
My ex was extremely abusive, but he managed to fool most people around him/us. For the most part anyone that knew him socially thought he was amazing and just a super funny person. He was always happy and joking with them and went out of his way to be nice and helpful. These people may have considered him 'friends' but to me I considered them associates. However our friends or those much closer to us/him knew his true colours. It was impossible for him to keep up his facade the whole time. I mean I fell for it at the beginning, even living with him being with him 24/7, it took me months nearly years to realise just how bad he was, I think he tried harder to hide it from me. Of course there is only so long someone can hide their dark side, and it's so complex to know the intentions of whether some people have any control over these emotions or not. I really think it's a mental illness and it absolutely ruins peoples lives
Mental illness, everyone's go to excuse. It's literally crazy that folks cannot grasp the fact that there people around us who are evil & don't care, the bad seed. There is a reason some animals eat their young..
When he was coming out of the room when the roommate saw him coming out as she hears a whimper. Him saying " It's OK I'm gonna help you."
I believe he had just attacked them but unfortunately one of the girls was still alive barely. That's what I get out of it. I couldn't imagine being attacked like that and him walking away as I'm dieing. I hope and pray that people everywhere are taking extra steps to keep safe. GOD BLESS. AMEN.
The way I understood it is that the surviving roommate heard him say that before she saw him, not that he said that to her. I believe he said that to XK who very likely came face to face with him, as her TikTok activity showed she was active around 4 am so still awake. XK might have heard the commotion upstairs and came out to investigate coming face to face with him at which point he said that to her.
That's correct. The typical line of a physo murderer - teasing her mind when he saw how frightened and vulnerable she was then gaining the sense of control by murdering her.
@@melonmelon7427 crazy , I still don't understand how he did all 4 without any issues. There's always 1that lives or gets away or something. None of these people kicked him off and screamed ?? how?
I think it was Ethan saying to Xana. It's okay, I am going to help you.
@@sharynkoren2054 Eathen had no defensive wounds suggesting he was sound asleep. Xana had defensive wounds suggesting she was awake.
The most important question is still why he committed these crimes. It's not important who knew him and what they talk about him.
Exactly 💯.
You’re never gonna get that answer.
@@MarmaladeSally I think we will, Bryan doesn't need to talk or confess, LE searched his apartment and confiscated his computer and all his other belongings, I'm sure they found the answers there
@Facts Based. why do you say that? 😅
@@Midna.K I agree. If the suspect never speaks again, which would be fine with me, I believe LE has it all 💯 already!!
As these horrible crimes become more of a media frenzy, we have to stop and ask can a potential jury not be tainted by all this?
There are many people who do not watch TV, or read news media.
@@tessmoore3762 hermits?
@@tessmoore3762 There are a handful. Definitely not "many"
@@tessmoore3762 amish
@@gonzoradio1007 “a handful” yeah ok.
Yall should be above this sensationalist fluff. There is nothing significant here, just people wanting to grab their 2 seconds of fame from knowing a high profile murderer. I would expect this from some RUclips channels but yall can do so much better.
Interesting though to understand his character and interactions
Why are you here then Champ?
"In college he was a NICE guy" - So was Ted Bundy
@Kitten in the Moon Fact based has a 4 day old account. Probably will need to get a new one by next week. It claims to know everything by magic. It's probably a flat Earther.
@factsbased.7400 how did you know? Are you the killer?
Does anyone realize that our collective examination of this individual might be his ultimate motive which is someone trying to understand him seeing that he had such difficulty with interpersonal relationships and now the idea of people being obsessed with trying to get into his mind might be ultimate ‘intimacy’ to him ?
Very intresting concept
I was just thinking the same thing.
I, too, live in North America. They should interview me. I'm practically his brother.
If somehow he didn’t do this, his life has been ruined by people and the media … the speculation is getting crazy.
Yep I'm just wondering how he did it by himself it was a party drug house there is so much more to this i seen comments the other 2 roommates called other friends why to remove drugs ect. Then they called the cops hmmm so much more to this
@@bridykes9986 man shut tf up and stop spreading garbage.
@@Elguapo93 spreading what garbage 🤡 it's all public knowledge google it 😆
From what Josh said, it sounds like either something major changed in a short time, or his ability to handle something brand new to him revealed something about him that was there all along.
If anything, he has a great future as a writer. The first book can be titled "What NOT TO DO when you aspire to be a successful killer." Should be a best seller.
How To Get Away With Murder (For a Few Days), by Brian Kohberger. Foreword by Scott Peterson
Pretty sure you are not allowed to profit from the commission of a crime, including writing a book thats focus is on the crime as the convicted. So if he does, at least he wont get the $$$
Having a class with someone doesn’t mean you know someone ! Idk why the media puts all these statements on. It’s mostly likely not going to happen but can you imagine if for some reason he proves his innocence. No matter what in the public opinion he is done . And before anyone starts with the whole he is guilty and blah blah I’m NOT saying he is innocent I’m NOT saying he is guilty . I’m just saying wait till legal stuff plays out and until then the media shouldn’t give attention to people who in reality can’t say they know him .
There is huge interest in this case, therefore medie will put out a lot of content
So true 💯💯💯
I was thinking the same.
That girl really wanted you to know she knew him.
Even if it had already gone to trial and he was found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, I see no reason to give these people any attention. It's what they are looking for. It's pathetic.
Please everyone pray for his parents. How they must feel,having this young man as their son. God bless his family!!!
The cartoon hair girl has a "I need attention, I could have been killed, please feel sorry for me" vibe.
His 'visual snow' forum posts are really troubling, maybe if he had got help as teenager all this horror would never have happened 😥
His parents did try to help him he even talks about all the tests finding nothing in his posts.
@Facts Based. what makes you think this?
And his Reddit and his FB
@Facts Based. based on Al evidence I’m pretty sure he did but if it turns out he didn’t I wonder how awkward it’s gonna be when he has to interact with people again. Lots of burnt bridges with all the people talking about him.
Possibly
Bro looks like a cartoon villain. Scary af
He HAD to have crossed paths with one of those kids in a restaurant, bar, somewhere. I bet one of those girls told him to eff off, blew him off, made fun of him, or something. Something that triggered the feelings of being bullied as a kid. I’d bet money on it
Maybe he stalked them all he liked kaylee apparently her stab wounds were more brutal than others
10 to life om youtube said
This is exactly what I think too... and I also think him studying criminology and SKs helped fuel the fire.
@FckJB why do you think he's innocent??? The police have evidence and a knife with his dna on it also his phone pinged in the area on the same night of the murder multiple times driving around...... and he has dna on him from kaylee the victim if their was 2 of them the police would of got them ........
The look in his eyes says it all: Something Wicked This Way Comes. You couldn't cast a better murderer in a movie.
Follow your intuition !!
Wow I'm sure you're correct however a person is innocent until proven guilty. How can you make a statement on the eyes
I agree about his eyes in the photo they use most often...but there's a tendency to use photos of suspects that make them look threatening or crazy, and photos of victims where they appear nice and wholesome...if they used my driver's license photo, you'd think I was guilty of *something.*
@joebowen11 did you think maybe it's anger you could be seeing?
This isn't always the case. I always had that dead stare of blankness but I'm just a daydreamer. Sometimes I look mad when I'm lost in the clouds thinking about very happy things.
“I’m not doing this for clout” what are you doing then? Looking for sympathy and what!? Who cares you knew him and have pictures? What are you contributing to the investigation and the families? Everything you did is for clout. I’m talking about the 2nd girl haven’t made it through it all yet
For tik to followers
Lol, maybe she doesn't know what it means " doing it for clout" means.
So the co-anchor met the neighbor and "learned more". She asked -- "Did you ever hear anything up there or anything like that?" Wow, great in-depth journalism there.
The second ‘blast from the past’ says that Kohberger was “a pudgy guy’ at university, in 2018. I thought Kohberger had lost the excess weight by his last year of high school. Yo-yo?
exactly
I thought the same thing.
Hmmm, ... someone's pants are on fire
I thought so too!!!!!
I'm sure his classmates said he came back for the last year of hs having lost the weight fast in the break.
Kohberger's friends? I can't imagine that a guy like him had friends!
dennis rader had a wife and kids
Did you even try to watch the video and listen of course you didn't. F00l
Ted Bundy had a girlfriend.
13:00 Oh yeah....The infamous "Me me me me" routine...."Oh look guys....It could have been me" "See how important and interesting I am?!"
Thanks for bringing all this information together brother because I'm looking for everything in relation to this case and it seems that almost no one really says anything really about how it's happened so far!
I don't think the first dude knew him at all.. he said that bryan was pugdy, and that was in 2018(date on project). From my understanding bryan lost his weight at the end of high school. You can even see a picture of him from 2017 in the 2nd girls picture at the wedding and he looks exactly the same...
Peter ❤
Jesse, don't lose your credibility by reporting only hearsay.
Everything now is hearsay 😆 nothing official or under oath.
Credibility? Law and Crime have become a gossip rag imo
Lmao. Do you know what "hearsay" is? These people are saying they spoke to his directly and are providing actual screenshots.
@@mariee.5912 Not the law definition of hearsay so don't assume that's how it's being used. I'm talking about unsubstantiated information given by these "friends" and "acquaintances". Go look at the definition in a dictionary.
@@beepbopboop7727 Oh then it must be 100% true since there are screen shots and stuff. 😂
Imagine being his hairdresser and seeing your work from that angle of him in courtroom footage 🤔
I don't know if Bryan really did this alone. Too many things don't add up at all.
What doesn’t add up?
So the room mate heard somone say im going to help you but not 4 people being stabbed to death in silence of night?
Seriously? If the roommates heard people talking, that would not make anyone think that someone was killing them!
@@jillarmstrong1589 so no screaming by anyone then?
I think the fact that BK didn’t value his own life and felt his own life was a meaningless existence is motive enough or answers the “how could he question”. If his life didn’t matter then to him no one else’s life did either.
I dont think so..he was doing alot of proactive things..like getting a PhD..being TA..had an apt..he wasnt running around burglarizing and mugging people..something doesn't add up.
@@lesmorris10 Do you think it's because he started using drugs again?
@@angelicanito1698 No I doubt it. He looks clean
@@lesmorris10 It doesn't have to add up. He was a monster hiding everything inside
His life didn't matter to him when he was in depression. I believe he felt better when he started studying criminology.
Oh wow! 5 people that know him. Hard hitting info
I really feel for the victims families as I think they are looking for answers as to why this was done & I don’t think they are going to get those answers unfortunately! Usually people that commit such heinous crimes like this never give a reason “why” & the families are always left to wonder.
I think Bryan will eventually say why
I don’t think he will ever explain why he will sadistically enjoy not giving people what they want. I hope he rots in prison IF he actually did this.
And the way it was so personal. Could you imagine taking 4 peoples lives with a knife?? Its sick and i just dont get it. Cant wrap my head around it. Did one of the girls rebuff his advances? Was it revenge for his perception of being talked down to by one of these victims?? Surely this cant just be him picking a random house out of the blue? So sad, so senseless.
People want to know the teason why, but don't understand that there is none. The murderer is not able to reason, to think like we do, to understand their own thoughts and feelings. When someone is not in their right mind, there is no sense of reason.
@@wildflower1397 if they’re “not in their right mind” then they will be diagnosed as such and then be able to use the insanity defence.
The sad state of things is that sometimes people are in their right mind but are just evil. I know this isn’t your intention, but you’re kinda giving him a free pass…
I watch a lot of true crime shows and when people are stabbed to death multiple times , the detectives always seem to say “it looks like a crime of passion , somebody they knew” I think if he said that , he might have been miss leading them because they are not finding a connection to him knowing them personally. Maybe he wanted to see if he could get away with it. He thinks he is smarter then he is. He’s evil !
good point !
HE IS EVIL WITH THE LETTER “D” IN FRONT OF THE WORD.
BK IS EVIL WITH THE LETTER “ D” IN FRONT OF IT.
I think it was personal for him. He may not have known them, but it looks like he was stalking one of the victims. That's pretty personal.
@Ginny Moorehead True...I think he may of had a brief encounter and was rejected and wanted revenge.
“He was a night person vacuuming or whateverrrr.” -RUclips news reporter😂😂 18:29
But even the people who knew him or met him at some point, even the people who describe him as a nice guy, they've all also said something like "he was odd" or different, or quiet, or a loner, or just something seemed off with him. Another thing I've heard most all say was that he was intelligent and wanted everyone to know he was. If we go back to the Tapatalk postings, he'd been having mental problems as early back as 15-16 years old, he stated Sept 21, 2009. Him recalling that specific date, and not just a month or year, makes me believe that he may have experienced something traumatic on that date or in the couple days leading up to that date...and event that caused him a LOT of fear and anxiety, that sent him into that dark place. Now, do not get me wrong...there are NO excuses for what he did and he has to pay the price if he's guilty, but I do always wish to understand causes or what lead up to something so horrific.
That why I wonder about his child hood is there something his parents is not telling.
Every teenage boy is odd in the eyes of teenage girls.
Also in hindsight, being aware of his crimes, your description/opinion from back in school, when you knew him, would be corrupted by your current opinion.
Just because someone is quiet and a loner doesn't mean they are odd.
Possibly on the autism spectrum. Not odd but different thought process.
Everybody has a bit of narcissism in them, but people who come out like these people have a bit more than that. Unless they are named in the case somewhere, idgaf what Miss. Desperado has to say.
When I was in high school there was a guy at my friend table who I ate lunch with every day. He was very clean cut, quiet and kind. Several years later I saw him in the news that he killed his three young daughters to get revenge on his ex wife. I could NOT believe it was the same person. You never know people or what may drive them to this, or maybe he snapped, who knows-I just can’t believe it, I’d have never imagined he’s grow up to do that.
The girl with red hair had to do the typical "how can I make this about me"
Re the neighbor who said that after the murders BK asked if he had heard about it and said that it “seems there are no leads” and that it “seems it was a crime of passion”, this is what MANY ppl were saying! Officials and reporters and guests and everywhere online and in everyday conversations! To suggest that this is incriminating is really stretching it, and in fact, it’s helping to foster a mob mentality that wants to burn BK at the stake without knowing all the facts and without him being found guilty. Pretty disappointed in LCN.
This!!
Someone called into another podcast saying that house was a known drug house and if you wanted ecstasy, that was the place. The surviving roommates actually saw three men outside and think two came in and one watched out . They think the survivors called friends the next morning and people came over to clean up drugs, sorority house friends, that's why they waited to call. I figured that drugs were involved with the roommates but if it's true, there were three men, BK was one of them. It also explains why he veered off course on the way home from the incident.
What podcast?
I saw that too. Makes sense why she called friends to help unload the drugs then call cops. That’s also why they say law enforcement could be hurt or worse if certain info came out. Big drug deals going on allegedly.
@@MultiRustam786 Drunk turkey or Jay is for justice
@@MultiRustam786 drunk turkey podcast, there's 2 on it, yesterday and today.
The cops would not even charge for the drugs this murder was to much
You don't know someone is evil until you know.
I think you could do a psychological experiment and put any person in BK's shoes and anyone would look very creepy.
Exactly 💯
Just because someone thinks a person looks like a cold blooded killer doesn’t make them a cold blooded killer.
Everyone looks different when they lose weight!
Innocent until proven guilty.
There is no connection with the students
There is no motive
There is no weapon
Only time and evidence will tell!
Let justice be done!
He wouldn't be charged with the killings unless police have reason to believe he did it. Forget what he looks like .he did it
motive is unnecessary to convict him
innocent until proven guilty? you mean like OJ and Casey Anthony?
They found numerous pictures of one of the victims in his phone, so you still think he’s innocent?
@@agronskylshe's just another uneducated person who doesn't understand what "innocent until proven guilty means". she doesn't understand the judicial system. her straw man at the beginning is such a weak attempt at making her point, also.
Oooh that’s my TikTok post! arghh I’m excited 😂😂 I feel honoured to have my post chosen!! 🎉😊
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I think he didn't want to speak to any of his classmates about the murders because he found it hard to detach himself from what he did, and the least little discussion might trigger an involuntary tell, his voice getting higher, or him seeming tense or peculiar compared to his usual self when discussing such cases. They would expect him to be more animated and excited about it as they were. This was big national news and it happened in their backyard. Also, they aren't regular students. They might be very sensitive to even little differences. If he really lost it, they'd be laughing or gossiping behind his back, "Did you hear that? He sounded like he did it!" By being silent, they could assume that maybe he is thinking about it, or that maybe he wanted to wait for more information, because he always likes to be right about his analysis.
Great points!
He brought up the murders with his neighbor a few days after it happened.
@@1ACL Yes, but it was just one line, "Yeah, they think it's a crime of passion." That's much different than talking about it with fellow grad students, and I think the neighbor asked him. Edit: Whoops, I was wrong. Bryan actually brought it up first to his neighbor, asking, "Did you hear about those murders?" But that was probably because he knew his neighbor knew he studied criminology, and that EVERYONE knew about this murder, so it would be natural for Bryan to mention it.
I’m sure he interacted quite differently with his male colleagues than he did with the ladies. Guys don’t have the intuition that we do because they don’t have the vulnerabilities that women do.
Most men act differently with women, then they do with other men
Incel alert!
@Facts Based. you are being deliberately difficult. You know exactly what that statement means and that intuition exists because of people like you
@Facts Based. If I recall correctly, the film includes a scene where Crawford loses control and beats her daughter with a wire coathanger.
@Facts Based. you got a like for that one but you're still 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
There are many Bryan Kohbergers out there!
His night time routine was most likely due to his school schedule. Me personally I struggle to sleep at night and most of my sleep happens during the day so if I can get away with it I do most of my cleaning and regular living at night, but that doesn't mean anything.
I cannot wait to hear all there is to be had when all there is to be out in the open.
It’s cuz his drug addiction.
Me too. I do my cleaning etc. at night
I take my trash out usually before the neighbors are up. I have insomnia.
But his vacuuming and doing other loud activities could also indicate antisocial traits. He knows a family lives below him, knows there are kids and tired parents. As self conscious as he was, I highly doubt he was oblivious to how his noise could affect them. No, I think he made the deliberate choice to do these things. Social norms would dictate otherwise hence, antisocial
It might mean something. For instance, it could speak to sleep disturbance which is often indicitive of mental illness.
He dodged a bullet with that tinder date
What a sick thing to say. She was thr one who dodged a bullet he's a pycho path show some respect defending a criminal are you one .......🤮🤮🤮
@@jasminejohnstone1803 I was just saying she ended up ugly. Its supposed to be a joke, I guess nowadays I must preface with that
@Francisco Toscano calling someone ugly is not a joke its called bullying...... think before you speak this can really effect someone's mental health you know......
It sickens me how everybody prejudges this guy, because he looks like stolen from a film noir set. The way this program ask: "Oh, why did he do it?" But, just for the record, we don't no if he did it yet - what a lazy excuse. It is all a highly sensationalist circus, that could cost an innocent suspect life and have a killer run free. You have an obligation to keep your report responsible and sober!
the most cogent explanation I have seen come from RUclipsr "Better Bachelor" who postulated that Kohberger was bullied by high school and college females, that he carried a grudge as an incel and wanted to extract revenge. Also as a Criminology grad student he had "academic" motivations however bizarre that is.
Sometimes you need to go underground to get to the real truth of everything and unfortunately you won't ever get that in the mainstream
“[T]he real truth,” as well as unrestrained BS. Many do not have the discernment to navigate between them.
This reminds me so much of the "How to Get Away with Murder" series that was on TV for a short time.
To the first girl: just because it’s true doesn’t mean it’s not clout chasing.
Agree! Just talk to the police, lady.
She’s so excited that she’s finally gonna get some attention for once in her life that she’s shaking lmao
yeah, she is quite the typical tiktok cloud chasing "less than average" person, at least she put the makeup on.
I believe his only reason was solely his own bloodlust. I believe he was looking for a victim when he found these girls. If it was revenge, he would have taken the time to talk to them and get into their heads. He would want to hurt them mentally and emotionally, not just quickly kill them. He was in and out too quick for this to be a personal attack on them. It was just him living out his fantasy.
I think the same 💯
Exactly, he was stalking these girls. They didn’t know him at all!
@Facts Based. - we shall see!🙄
I think he may have done a horrifying multiple murder like this mostly for the attention and fame, not that he doesn't have some urge to kill or punish, or that the blood lust thing isn't very real with some serial killers, like Ted Bundy for example. He felt like killing himself once before, and maybe he decided this is the way he wanted to go out.
The second most likely possibility is that he thought he could outsmart the police, and that he wouldn't be caught because he's too intelligent. However, when it came down to the actual murders, nothing was simple, and when he left the sheath behind, now knowing it had his DNA on the snap, it's pretty much over for him. I don't think he'll even fight it or reveal his motives, because he now knows they probably have a ton of other evidence. He has not given up though, he'll want a long trial, see how many fans (incels mostly) and marriage proposals he can get along the way, or authors wanting to write books about him.
Could be!
I pray that this man will spend the rest of his life behind bars- PLEASE!!!
I once came into contact with a young man who was studying at Washington University in Saint Louis Missouri. He told me that he was having like a tape recorded message playing in his head that wouldn't stop. He also said he was working on his master's in mathematics.
I know stress can cause such things like a song in your head, playing over and over again, but not where it becomes non stop.
Anyhow, he had an operation called a frontal lobotomy and that stopped that tape from playing. I don't know if he was ever going back to the University to study. But the fact remains that over stimulus of the brain can lead to mental illness. Not everyone is an Einstein...
Are you seriously advocating for lobotomies? Lol
Wow..What a story..and interesting procedure Glad that surgery fixed his problem. I wish we can know more about this like what exactly his pre surgery illness is called the medical term for it and what kinda lobotomy. Was it experimental op? Where can we find more info about it? If its similar kinda condition like BK has & if it were done on him, I wonder if that could help him cure his condition..🤔
That’s interesting, but did you like Pointers Pizza is what I want to know 😉
@@Aromatic.Bleach absolutely not. ..just saying it happens
@@notimetodienttd1115 I don't know...
But I do know that the surgery entails using a strip of gold inserted in the eye cavity and severs the connection of the frontal lobe.
I'm not a medical person, but an automotive technician by trade, so I've a deep understanding of the mechanics involved.
That person that told me his story was in the hospital at the same time I was. I can't give you anymore details, because of confidentiality.
This maybe if more interest to you, a young man, supervisor for the railroad back in the late 1800s was accidentally injured when a spike was accidentally shot up in the air and went through his skull. He had lost his ability to control his emotions and became disabled. Many Drs began to study him and found his frontal lobe had been disconnected, as well as more injury to his brain.
Sorry, but I don't know anything more about it. But you can find that story by Googling it. Thanks for your interest 🙂
Why does everyone keep saying he was overweight when in every photo the girl showed he was lean? The 2017 wedding photo had him looking the same as in the court photos, so how was he allegedly barely recognisably overweight in 2018 as the first TikToker alleged?
Pics from high school he’s heavy, then got so thin he looked sick in one photo. Pretty normal now.
Also said he was on herione? Dude herione addicts don't act like that it had to be meth.
@@dogworld3485 agreed, and it would make sense that he was methed out when he did it too.
Charlie Manson always comes to mind when I see his calm demeanor and I'll never be convinced that he acted alone.
You do know that Manson never killed anyone yet took all the blame for a Hollywood drugs burn that went wrong and then covered over with the cult story!?
Love seeing all these people make it about them
The only story I believe is the girl that said he was heroin addict .
This is so true
Yeah I believe she got meth and herione mixed up though.. herione addict do not act like this.. meth addicts YES!
You can see his eyes they wouldn't be so wide on herione they would be low and pinned dude was on amphetamine or methamphetamine I guarantee it
@@dogworld3485 I'd like to know what proof anyone has he was a heroin addict. Don't you have to shoot heroin? It seems like an addiction that can't be easily kept hidden.
I love your dog! What a cutie! 💓🐕💓
This entire video is wild. I cannot
Good work Jesse always looking forward to your reporting excellent work Would love to see you guys. Try to do an interview on the parents of this fellow even if you didn’t get one it would be nice to see their reaction.