BLACK DIESEL vs INJECTION FAILURE vs MONEY SAVING
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- BLACK DIESEL vs INJECTION FAILURE vs MONEY SAVING
WELL we go through some numbers on running black diesel / veg mix. I think you can make it cheaper then i explain. But this gives you guys an idea what you can expect from saving money to fixing the truck from it.
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Hell yeah Rob, since I've bought my 12 valve I found myself watching your videos daily. Loads of good information and straight to the point. I can't stand watching those videos where ppl just drone on about irrelevant information like you want to hang out with them. Thanks for the good content to keep me moving towards success. I appreciate what you do beyond what words can express. Thank you for all your time and knowledge you've given to us.
Thanks for watching
Great video, I have been doing this for years. I have a 98 12V Ram making 550-600 HP. I process 8 gals of used oil into every full tank of fuel (35 gal tank so just over 20% black diesel. I pump mine through a 5 mic whole house filter and then through a water separator and into my holding containers. I pour into my tank at the station and then top off the rest at the pump. Change my truck fuel filter every 5K US miles and so far I have done this for the last 60K US miles and no issues. The only downside is the truck does idle haze but nothing visible while driving down the road. So doing the math as you have, that's about 3500 gals of fuel at my 17 MPG average. Total savings of 700 gals of fuel. Oh yeah I change my black diesel filters every time I change my truck filter!
Right on. I love to hear from guys doing it.
I love those 12 valves!
@@MudMotorsMax wouldn’t trade mine for anything!
i run it in my 6.9 idi really high oil percentage and i dont really filter it at all lol just mesh filter
engine fuel filter does the rest
over the years i ran diesel that was from a recovery system that had a lot of water in it and no one wanted to use it . I just let it set and then pulled the fuel off the top and never had a problem in my vw diesel . i driven several hundred thousand miles on the vw diesel to keep the mileage off my dodge diesel . That and used hydraulic oil
Yep I have run lots in engines.
Have to say I like your style and logic, thanks for the content and the honest numbers that are backed up by actual experience doing it! My buddy and I both have 7.3 trucks and thanks to your videos I almost have him talked into splitting a centrifuge with me😂 he has access to lots of clean WMO and I have the space. It’s on!
Really hits home to see it broke down like this.
Thank You
I don't LOL, but I'm laughing on the inside throughout this vid. Thx
Diesel a whisker under $3 a litre + Road tax in NZL,my work truck is Isuzu 2ton with turbo diesel mech pump,and having spare VE pumps,and having hundreds litres waste oil around I going to go for it!
As long as you get clean you will be just fine
VE Pumps are expensive
I've been running used ATF in my 7.3 IDI, only issue I've had is if I use it all the time and leave the alt. fuel in the injection system all the time, it ruins the fuel return O rings and then they leak.
I only use it if I'm traveling more than 10-20 miles, and I switch back to diesel at the end of the day.
Also I Changed my glow plugs because they went bad and found them to be very Coked up which was unusual compared to the previous times I replaced my Glow Plugs, I suspected that this was because I would run WMO all the time in the winter and on cold starts, another reason I don't use it unless the Engine is nice and warm and I switch back to Diesel at the end of the day.
The Ford 7.3 IDI"s are nice because they have 2 tanks, I removed my rear 20 gallon tank and installed a 38 Gallon tank, I keep pure diesel in the front all the time because I have had times going through the mountains it got cold and the fuel was to thick for the fuel pump to pull, so I just switched to the front tank and was able to press on. One time this happened I just stopped at a gas station and added some more diesel fuel and the truck ran fine for the rest of the day.
Otherwise no major issues, I've been doing this for years and did worry about fuel injection system wear and tear, but with Diesel at $6 a gallon, its definitely worth it for me.
What's your experience with IDI's and running WMO out of curiosity?
I have run it in 1.6 vw engine for 1000s of miles with no issues but have also run some water meth to help clean
Money you save is tax free.
Tax minimization at its best.
Hell ya
Can rebuild my db2 injection pump fairly cheap. That was 12 years ago! Been running on waste motor oil for 12 years. I've pulled the heads recently due to a leaking head gasket. Normal wear from 300,000+ miles but looked very clean. Never had any issues and I've lived in alaska in the cold running that oil!
Good stuff!
Thanks Rob great video looking forward to seeing your video on centrifuges👍
Filtration is the key thing and having an engine that is more of goat than anything else ( the tolerance stack up isn't as tight ).
There's a guy on RUclips with a GM 6.2/6.5 style diesel in a pickup that he runs on virtually anything combustible that has the right viscosity......he laughs at the folks that say it can't be done.
That's interesting, what channel?
were at 2.12$ a litre on the east coast.. at 130litres in a tank a full tank costs me 275$ at the moment
Ya it pretty crazy
Great info Rob. I don't mean to sound negative. But I believe we are headed to a SHTF scenario. Maybe you could maybe show how you set up your equipment for the process. We all pretty much know it is a cost saver and the risks. But given they may cut off the supply. We need to get real knowledge real fast from an experienced pro like you. The risk of the repairs I agree is important. But the nuts n bolts are what we/I want. Like maybe a way to filter without a centrifuge like pressurizing a 55 gal barrel add old gas or diesel to thin it and them force filtering with a pump to get contaminants out in order to do it more cost effectively etc...Instead of a 1800 centrifuge ? Don't mean to come across like Castrudeau or Bidenut.
100% Ron. I am working on my setup I will be showing ways to do it on the cheap right up to doing it the expensive way. That way everyone can do it and know the difference and risks.
@@CUTTERUPROB Cool Thanks
I ran my IDI on WMO for many years without changing the fuel filter and the indicator was still showing that it was fine. Most people's WMO is filtered better than pump fuel so filter life should be longer than normal.
Today's prices raised savings exponentially. Lol
Awsome video good cost brake down.
Good info once again feller 👍👍.. thank you.... May have commented in an earlier video,but ,yup, cause of the bosses crude wmo/fuel concoction and methods we wrecked a VP44 and a VE...and didn't have a 7100 engine operating at the time but an MW pumped 8.3 ran like shit but obviously survived and is still in use...that was 15 years ago he tried it, but anyway 👍👍
Ya. That’s why I want to show you guys the best ways to clean it. As it can be hard on stuff
Thanks for this video
Thanks for the black diesel content. I'm working on setting up a processing/filtration system. Do you have any suggestions for filters? I know a centrifuge is best but I don't have the funds to invest into that yet. Im a HD mechanic so I've got access to waste 15w40 and hyd. Will be running it in my 95 p pump, VW ve pump and possibly diesel welder/generator. Thanks again
I would find filter you can buy from work the big and cheap. Nothing find out about a housing for it. A lot of the big stuff the housing in bolt maybe can find something the you can make work for cheap.
Super helpful, thank you
Please run A veg oil vehicle for miles of mayhem hahaha drive a few cars Infront of us so we just smell fries the whole week!
Lol I did get a spot this year. But if you guys have issues I will like be there for the response crew lol
@@CUTTERUPROB I bet a veg oil powered vehicle that just happens to be able to sell french fries would make a Fortune. No idea why everyone has a craving for fries hahaha
Us idi guys w rotory pumps running all kinds of shit. But yeah like you said there is a cost of doin this.
I have a 2021 Kioti 2610 26 Hp in-line 3cylinder mechanical Injection diesel. My question is do you think I would be safe with 4 gallons of fresh diesel fuel to 1 gallon of used oil I save from my oil changes. The oil I save from my oil change I run it through a paper towel to filter it once. I have been doing this for about 6 months and my tractor runs prefect but if you think It will eventually damage my engine I may need to stop adding oil in with my diesel fuel.
You can run it that way no problem.
@@CUTTERUPROB Thank you!
What cost?
Im driving my nissan patrol 2.8 y60 over 150.000 km on vwo without a drop of diesel and 0 problems
Not always will you have issues. But I want to make sure guys know the risk.
Could you explain the water meth setup? What it’s for/ how to use. Thank you sir the videos are very informative.
I can do a video on that
@@CUTTERUPROB thank you!
Thank you for this. I very much would like to run WMO at only 8% ratio (1 gal wmo/13 gal diesel) in my 2000 TDI VW Jetta however I MUST maintain my catalytic converter for emissions control. Will it clog? I surely hope not. I also hope settling the WMO for months on end, filtering at 8 microns before entering fuel tank and 8% wmo/92% diesel solution passing through 2 micron Caterpillar filter before entering VE injection pump is adequate.
If you add some gasoline to it let say
2-3 % on the volume of oil. I think you will be fine. For the most part idling seem to the time it would have issues. Just try not to let it idle
@@CUTTERUPROB Thanks. I only need 3% RUG to thin the WMO, not 10 or 20%? I have read folks that allow the WMO/RUG solution to settle for a week and draw from the top layers instead of running through a centrifuge and have had success. I would still pass that solution through 8 and 2 micron filters as I really don't want to clog the injection pump or the catalytic converter if this thinning and waiting process procedure is possible?
The viscosity of the fuel is the big one I find. And the gas help the oil burn hotter so you get less deposits. I do mix and let it settle for a week or centrifuge it. You will get a bunch of junk out of it
@@CUTTERUPROB 3% RUG is all that is needed to thin, lower the viscosity ans allow the WMO solution to settle out particulates over a week or two? 10-20% is far too much? I figured it would help prevent the 2 micron filter just upstream the injection pump from clogging so quickly.
I run 50 50 ratio on my tdi 2001 .. no cat tho lol
I just started collecting used oil for my settling tank, and my neighbor has a good bit of used oil. He gave it to me, but it seems to be all sludge. It clogs my mesh screen on my funnel almost immediately with every pour. Is it worth messing with or should i just get rid of it? The other used oil i got from the oil change place filtered nicely and quickly with minimal cleaning needed on the screen. I'd like a centrifuge but I'm only running diesel in a 95 12 valve and nothing else so i don't think its worth it for just that.
I would just get rid of it
@@CUTTERUPROB That's what I'm gonna do. I need to ask him what that oil came out of
I see that you deal mostly with car and light truck engines. I recently have purchased an old deuce and a half with the White multifuel engine. it really loves used oil and honestly about anything else thrown in the tank. I do plan on setting up a good centrifuge, but in your opinion do I face the same issues as say the 12valves or the Ford/Chevy engines? It has the Bosch American rotating IP.
for the most parts you should have issues. i have run a boat load of this stuff on all kinds of engine
Great videos! Thank you should I upgrade the lift pump on a 6.5 gm? What to?
I would do any electrical pusher pump with the stock pump. Those 6.5 pumps are bad for having issues if I remember right
About 150 to fill my truck here in AZ
What are your thoughts on the water meth injection? Do you think it's worth doing?
i like to run it for the cleaning effort when on black diesel and for a power adder if needed
I had a water/meth injection kit on a common tail 5.9. It added up and torque as well as kept things clean and lowered egt’s. I didn’t run it in the winter, didn’t want to create more pressure in the cylinders for head gasket issues. Great system.
Diesel fuel id nothing more than a waste byproduct of the production of gasoline.i know folks in logging industry who run nothing but black diesel have had zero issues it has to be refined properly and super filtered
Not really, lots more diesel gets consumed than gas. By your logic, Gasoline, Kerosene and Diesel are all by-products of making lubricating oil. 😉
Where did you get your centrifuge from? Shipping to Canada was easy? I'm thinking about getting the Raw Power one with the oil heater
I buy them from guys in the states. Just have to call them and see about a good shipping rate
Can this be done in common rail injection system?
I have lots. Stay tuned I will do a video coming up about it
@@CUTTERUPROB awesome, thx Rob. I'm driving an 07 freightliner with a Cummins. It has the motor after the n14. Has an EGR valve. Thank you so much for the content. Will look into patron as well.
6.2 Detroit chevy do this? not good candidate?
You can yep
hi rob, will you be doing a water meth video? thanks for sharing all the great info!
I will be doing a bunch this winter helpfully
Hi! Have a 2001 Powerstroke 7.3L only 8k miles engine in my old 1985 Bullnose F350. Thinking alot to buy a centrifuge, can I drive that 7.3L on wmo?
Yep
Can you run black diesel in a common rail?
I have lots. But I don’t recommend it to people. But i am doing a video talking about it
i hope you can give me some recomendations. i have a subaru diesel. they're a boxer 4 common rail diesels. i contemplating filtering out all the used engine and transmission oil i have laying around. first let it settle in the storage tank for atleast a week. then filtering it through a fuel filter. then putting it in the tank and mixing it roughly 10 or 20% with the rest being regular diesel. do you think this is going to cause issues for the pump or injectors? im planning on installing a water meth system later and run mostly water, purely to keep things clean
I would let it settle longer after you clean it. But other then that you should be just fine. The fuel filter your using I would make sure it’s Atleast a 5 micron absolute
Have you thought at all about making a catridge heater style setup on a PID controller that preheats the fuel prior to combustion? You would need to have a third buffer tank probably so it wouldn't return boiling hot oil to your tank. But this would completely stop the need to cut it with gasoline saving you even more. Something like this: ruclips.net/video/-_jvOMEv-Sw/видео.html
i have one , just haven't showed it in a video , i should do a build video on one , i have a bunch of wvo/wmo to do
@@CUTTERUPROB I plan on making one soon aswell for my setup. I would probably need a tank to start on straight diesel if running a preheater woth 100% wmo. Might be more hassle than it’s worth. Excited to see what your setup will look like.
I feel like your making your diesel wrong. Check out this guys youtube page’s hes been running his used motor oil with 10-30% stale gas from the scrap yard, that he buys the gas for a buck a gallon. And obviously oil is free. He opened up his ram engine and nothing was wrong with it after 4 years of use in the summer and winter. I think they way he filters his homemade diesel is better than how you are doing it for sure. Most likely why you have gotten issues over the years. And it seems like his method is cheaper and easier. Heres his channel ruclips.net/user/shortsRYFaaRsPriY?feature=share you should try a bed sheet as a filter and let the diesel mix sit in 4 different 250 gal totes for 2 week intervals. All the water, debris, sludge, metal shavings, etc gets filtered to the bottom by gravity it it wasn’t already filtered out with the initial bedsheet. In each holding tank it seems like he gets a solid thick layer of 2-4 inches of sludge on the bottom of the totes. I imagine the way you are doing it, your not giving your stuff enough time to mix and separate so you trucks filtering all that through it’s system and you’re getting worried about it od shits breaking for you. For this guy its the opposite. I think you should refine your method and use the centrifuge in conjunction with a double lined bed sheet whilst being mixed with a drill and concrete mixer in each separate tote and let that sit to sift.
I been doing this way for 15 years. I was shown it by a guy doing for 20 before that. So it works. You can use just gas. Really comes down to it use what’s cheap for you to get.