Fantastic video. I also loved hearing the opinion of what your passenger thought because what the driver experiences and what the passenger experiences can be very different.
Regarding it going around cars that are stopped. Had an interesting experience yesterday, I was behind a bus that had stopped for a railroad crossing (not because of a train coming, they just legally have to do that). Anyway, the car was very close to the bus and stopped, after a few seconds it moved around the bus...it freaked me out because it was so close, but it did it fine. Pretty amazing.
Usually the overtake is executed properly, but the decision / plan of it is so new that it's often not the right decision. Was it in your case? Seems like going around a bus stopped at train tracks isn't, but maybe I'm missing something?
@@samreaves In this case it was the right decision. There were two lanes on this road, the bus was in the right and FSD moved into the left lane and went around the bus. It was perfectly clear obviously in the left lane. I was just impressed that it made the maneuver when it was about maybe 5-10 feet from the bus. Great video btw. Having a passenger along for the ride provided great perspective.
@@adamshawley594 Ah okay that makes sense. It's a pretty important maneuver sometimes. Glad it worked perfectly for you! This one was also pretty mindblowing, although questionable if it was the correct decision. ruclips.net/video/BgBxMnU6ZlI/видео.html Thanks for the feedback! I always make sure to get FSD consent from passengers, and of course ask "Are you ready to be on the Internet" before I start recording. I 100% expected Adela to quit after the first drive, but I think she's having just as much fun as I am with it. Her input is so important for these videos as she has no control of the car and very little to hold onto.
@@samreaves LOL, yeah, I can only get my wife to drive with it on when I'm picking her up from a girl's night out and I'm her DD. Well, I guess the Tesla is the DD in this case. :)
@@adamshawley594 This is another fascinating example of it attempting to go around, then realizing quickly that it shouldn't. ruclips.net/video/BgBxMnU6ZlI/видео.html
Good take on "phantom" braking at 9:05. Unfortunately the term has come to cover any time the driver wouldn't have used the brakes. Take a game theory approach and think about it like this - imagine a situation where at current velocity there's 0.1% chance of a collision. FSD can slow by 3 mph and decrease the probability to 0.001%, but the driver never would have slowed in that situation. Bang "phantom" braking. I prefer the old use of the term - just to cover braking near overpasses and large signs etc.
I don't think the random braking events are really related to follow distance. I think it's various things, including the car occasionally thinking there's an obstacle when there isn't (i.e. when we had speed bump visualisations, I noticed several random braking events associated with a speed bump being visualized where there was none). In this particular case, I think it was a delayed reaction to the car turning right as you passed. FSD often has very delayed reactions to things like that and will brake long after an issue has been resolved.
Actually, I think you may be on to something. It could be that it sees obstacles that aren't there, and it could also be there is a neural net looking further ahead and suddenly, to it, cars pop into existence, and it thinks that is an obstacle until it gets some velocity data after a few frames of analysis. I do think there's one or many neural nets looking at specific distances or something because up until 10.6.1, the car would brake hard for, say, crossing traffic at n distance, but for crossing traffic that's closer, it doesn't brake (in neither case would it need to brake).
@@loganrossignol Wish we had visibility into what was truly going on. All we can do is guess. Really looking forward to phantom braking improvements in 10.7/10.8 🤞🏻 Thanks for watching!
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Fantastic video. I also loved hearing the opinion of what your passenger thought because what the driver experiences and what the passenger experiences can be very different.
Thanks for watching 😄👍🏻
Regarding it going around cars that are stopped. Had an interesting experience yesterday, I was behind a bus that had stopped for a railroad crossing (not because of a train coming, they just legally have to do that). Anyway, the car was very close to the bus and stopped, after a few seconds it moved around the bus...it freaked me out because it was so close, but it did it fine. Pretty amazing.
Usually the overtake is executed properly, but the decision / plan of it is so new that it's often not the right decision. Was it in your case? Seems like going around a bus stopped at train tracks isn't, but maybe I'm missing something?
@@samreaves In this case it was the right decision. There were two lanes on this road, the bus was in the right and FSD moved into the left lane and went around the bus. It was perfectly clear obviously in the left lane. I was just impressed that it made the maneuver when it was about maybe 5-10 feet from the bus. Great video btw. Having a passenger along for the ride provided great perspective.
@@adamshawley594 Ah okay that makes sense. It's a pretty important maneuver sometimes. Glad it worked perfectly for you!
This one was also pretty mindblowing, although questionable if it was the correct decision. ruclips.net/video/BgBxMnU6ZlI/видео.html
Thanks for the feedback! I always make sure to get FSD consent from passengers, and of course ask "Are you ready to be on the Internet" before I start recording. I 100% expected Adela to quit after the first drive, but I think she's having just as much fun as I am with it. Her input is so important for these videos as she has no control of the car and very little to hold onto.
@@samreaves LOL, yeah, I can only get my wife to drive with it on when I'm picking her up from a girl's night out and I'm her DD. Well, I guess the Tesla is the DD in this case. :)
@@adamshawley594 This is another fascinating example of it attempting to go around, then realizing quickly that it shouldn't. ruclips.net/video/BgBxMnU6ZlI/видео.html
Good take on "phantom" braking at 9:05. Unfortunately the term has come to cover any time the driver wouldn't have used the brakes. Take a game theory approach and think about it like this - imagine a situation where at current velocity there's 0.1% chance of a collision. FSD can slow by 3 mph and decrease the probability to 0.001%, but the driver never would have slowed in that situation. Bang "phantom" braking. I prefer the old use of the term - just to cover braking near overpasses and large signs etc.
Agreed.
I don't recall any overpass phantom braking events recently on 10.3.1 or 10.4. Have you had any? I'll see if I can recreate this week.
@@samreaves nope, haven't had an overpass issue since 2021.4.x.
@@walkingtour_JP That's great to hear. Gives me hope and optimism that vision will succeed with the newer unwanted braking events.
I don't think the random braking events are really related to follow distance. I think it's various things, including the car occasionally thinking there's an obstacle when there isn't (i.e. when we had speed bump visualisations, I noticed several random braking events associated with a speed bump being visualized where there was none). In this particular case, I think it was a delayed reaction to the car turning right as you passed. FSD often has very delayed reactions to things like that and will brake long after an issue has been resolved.
Actually, I think you may be on to something. It could be that it sees obstacles that aren't there, and it could also be there is a neural net looking further ahead and suddenly, to it, cars pop into existence, and it thinks that is an obstacle until it gets some velocity data after a few frames of analysis. I do think there's one or many neural nets looking at specific distances or something because up until 10.6.1, the car would brake hard for, say, crossing traffic at n distance, but for crossing traffic that's closer, it doesn't brake (in neither case would it need to brake).
@@loganrossignol Wish we had visibility into what was truly going on. All we can do is guess. Really looking forward to phantom braking improvements in 10.7/10.8 🤞🏻
Thanks for watching!
maybe have it drive out of the parking garage. It behaves much better when it has a destination
True. I’ll try that next time!