They would be close. They get 3-5 yards of separation on every play. Mahomes is great but he was actually off target a lot yesterday. His receivers had to bail him out a few times. Not saying it happens often, but it may not have went the same way if he didn't have those receivers. Guess we will see in a few years when they are gone.
They were a playoff team pre-Mahomes. Kelce was considered the best tight end, Hill was elite, and Andy Reid was considered an offensive genius before Mahomes.
@@Smooth258 Hill was not Elite before Mahomes got there, playoffs team that choked constantly with a game manager at QB that couldn't go through progressions.
No sh*t. Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers would probably be in the Super Bowl if they had the Chiefs lineup. That doesn't take away from Mahomes ability to comeback in desperate situations and to be able to throw as accurately as he can. Congrats to the Chiefs from a Patriots fan.
Agree I envy what the Cheifs have props to Andy Reid building an amazing team with an Elite Quarterback Mahomes a beast wish Tom had one of those receivers or Tightend
Mahomes can’t win with Stephen A. Mahomes wins “He has too many weapons to not win” if Mahomes lost “Mahomes has too many weapons to lose”. Never will be good enough
Lmao he really didn’t. Chiefs were a playoff team before Mahomes. Andy Reid is a genius, and the Chiefs receivers have the most yards of separation according to Next Gen stats
Smooth258 yes he got destroyed because he had to bring up basketball in a football conversation. In basketball one player can determine the outcome of a game by himself. Not so much in football. Also KD was very capable of beating the Warriors being up 3-1.
@@RobbieStacks90 eventually I'm sure they would have stopped him, especially when that's the only weapon they have, just surprised me the ravens were not able to do it.
Yeah when you have Great Coaching and Weapons of course you will be. Mahomes is good but he isn't all that. Put him on a team like the Dolphins and you watch he would not be "so good"
i’m from kansas city and loved alex smith..the team won and he brought a mentality here, but pat is special..literally took the team over the top and made us forget about our flaws defensively
How about when Peyton had: -Demaryius Thomas -Emmanuel Sanders -Julius Thomas -Eric Decker -Wes Welker -Knowshon Moreno Edit: I’m just saying there have been QBs that have had weapons somewhat equivalent to what Mahomes has.
Julius Thomas when not paired with Peyton did not produce, Decker was productive but not to the levels he was with Peyton. Moreno was a decent back but nothing more. D Thomas also dropped off.
marcos516712341 I’m not taking anything away from Peyton. I’m just pointing out that there have been teams that have had weapons around the QB comparable to the ones Mahomes has.
The saddest thing about what he's doing. Is he's the main person who uses the race card but now Hating on his own race. Mahomes is black but be won't praise him more than he does with Aaron Rodgers
He’s being objective. Mahomes has an offensive genius in Andy Reid, the best tight end in the game, Hill, and a great O-line. Let’s not pretend as if that’s irrelevant. QBs like Wilson, Brady have shown they can lead a team to the playoffs with way less
That’s debatable. Russell Wilson plays behind a bottom ranked O-line and an archaic scheme. Mahomes receiver’s, according to Next Gen stats get the most separation in the league. That’s Andy Reid’s scheme.
Since Dak and other young BROTHAS entered the league. It's always the WRs, RBs OL, Coaches, Defenses or someone else credited for their successes. ANY and EVERYONE except them!
it’s a really stupid question. i totally agree with sas on this one because it’s LITERALLY true. ofc these offensive weapons help mahomes be great but by no means are we saying he isn’t great. he’s the reigning mvp but the point is simple, they obviously help elevate great quarterbacks to be as amazing as they are now. without them, a lot of quarterbacks wouldn’t be considered as great as they are now. proven by brady, one year difference in weapons, one was sb and one was wildcard eliminated.
think of it this way, those offensive weapons were so good they elevated the playing of alex smith and was still a playoff caliber team. NOBODY ever would say alex smith was “elite” yet they consistently made playoffs and had winning records.
He is but he speakin fax, think about what other top QBs would do with those types of wrs. Not just 1 good receiver but Patrick Mahomes has all top wr threats, best O line, good RB, best TE like cmon now
EyeGreen - so now we question a dude’s ability because of the pieces a organization puts behind their QB you and SAS argument does not make any sense at all
Super FACTS. Stephen A doesn't even know enough basketball (or sports period) to break down plays or film, so how is he going to tell us anything about football? Stick to league gossip and rumors. Just let Mahomes cook. Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Drew etc have had their moments. Let the young man have his.
Monika Bedollac Im actually with stephen a on this one , I wanna see when Mahomes get paid that max contract and takes up chunk of that salary cap , when some of those guys leave in free agency, let’s see how he does , hey I might be wrong , but i wanna see it
@@McStrokeAvision Matt Moore had a 108 passer rating against the vikings and packers with these weapons. Matt Moore is basically a high school q.b and these weapons made him look pretty good
*Did he seriously just compare KD joining the 73-9 Warriors to what Mahomes does with the Chiefs? SAS is the star of this show but his football knowledge is quite limited.*
Bruh 😂 he just said that the 73-9 GSW was comparable to a KC team who choked an 18pt lead to the Mariota-led Tennessee Titans ! 😂 then he’s gonna point the finger at Max for hating on KD when he forgot that he, SaS, called the move to GSW the “weakest move by a superstar”
bad analogy he should have just said he already joined a team that alex smith had led to the playoffs multiple years in a row having some success and when mahomes got there they had a team full of developed all-pros and pro bowl level talent at most positions on the offense which isn’t a lie it’s a literal fact
@@mindhunter8772 Use your brain buddy,. If we really wanted to we could make a compilation of these guys contradicting and arguing with themselves on many topics. Take Skip Bayless for instance, most times he takes Tom Brady's side, even if it's something that he would bash Lebron about.
If I'm not mistaken, Travis Kelce was dropping some completely accurate passes thrown by Mahomes last night, and Demarcus Robinson was doing the same thing in the Texans game. But these are great offensive weapons right? Don't get me wrong, I know these guys are still good at the end of the day, but I don't think this offense is quite as great as people make it seem. I think Mahomes has been the one who's stepped it up and saved the Chiefs when things go wrong with his consistent accuracy and ability.
All receivers drop accurate passes from time to time. Still his receivers are the fastest in the league, with biggest margin of separation. Give Tom Brady these weapons and he'd look 30 again.
Why does everybody keep bringing up Tom Brady what ifs, nobody wants to see a senior citizen playing football anymore except Patriot fans. Dude already has 6 rings and is the goat. Time to let the new blood shine
@@philipkhounvongsa it's just a comparison in the level of sheer talent. Tom Brady still threw for 4000+ yard with that talent discrepancy. Give Mahomes those NE and he won't look the same. No one would. Except Rivers and Mayfield lol; they'd definitely look the same, aka trash.
Jeremy Dull Jon Kitna has Roy Williams. Eric Ebron couldn’t catch a cold. Petigrew was an Ok tight end. His only true weapon was Megatron, Burleson was a good compliment but not great. Golladay is gonna be great, but at the same time, Jones is aging and can’t stay healthy. Stafford has never really had multiple weapons.
True but most of his career he didn’t have great receivers. When he was don 25 in the Super Bowl he didn’t have a single 4.4 guy. Mahomes has 3 of them
not to mention we saw what KD (as gifted as he is offensively) looked like without the Warriors. AND KD has played with More MvPs than any other Star Player in History.
@@HillTopHungBuck7 getting beat by the most stacked team in NBA history while dragging historically the worst team in NBA history (yes worse than his 07 Cavs as they were atleast a top 10 defense) doesnt mean much, atleast in rational peoples eyes... unless of course you think losing to the Celtics in the series prior would have been better? that would be some mental gymnastics. every team that has gotten to the finals has been a top 10 offense/Defense or both all except one and that is the the 2017 Cavs.
This is one of the dumbest things I’ve heard and I’m not a chiefs fan. Every Qb needs at least 1 weapon. Some QBs make other players look better. If you want to say Pat hasn’t made mediocre Wrs look good then I’ll agree and compromise with that. All qbs need weapons to get and win super bowls.
@SoBanked- What about top 5-10 defense in and out EVERY single year? and this year Brady cant win with the current WRs , but his fan say that because they didnt keep Amendola and Hogan. So which is it? Whether Tom can win with ANYBODY, or he needs talents also like EVERYBODY else?
Here's a great question: Put Jimmy G on the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes on the 49ers. Based on their skill sets and the offensive weapons they have and the coaches and play calling, would Garoppolo put up numbers like Mahomes with the Chiefs and would Mahomes put up similar or better numbers with the 49ers?
Lil Wayne Carter because Mahomes was out of pocket, throwing off one foot and it was still a good throw. Patrick Mahomes’ meh throws are most QBs best throws and that just shows you how great he is
Lil Wayne Carter Lil Wayne Carter you’re taking about the throw under distress after he was forced out the pocket and threw off one foot? That throw? Lol if he has gotten to the standard where a touchdown pass like that has to be even more perfect he really is great.
Literally God I’m guessing you have some statistics to back up this claim? Because these oh so dominant weapons were there before Mahomes was starting yet the chiefs weren’t in a Super Bowl. This is like Watkins 3rd team. most ppl thought he was a bust but all of a sudden now he is some superstar receiver getting 3 yard separation on each play. Take your stupidity else where. I’m not saying his cast sucks all greats have great support! no one can overcome a roster devoid of talent or great coaching. But also, just stacking a roster with talent doesn’t mean a qb will produce. baker has better weapons than 90% of qbs and had one of the worst seasons of any qb this year.
Today more then usual though, we sure StephenA had his coffee this morning ?!😂 hating on mahomie and jimmyG like come on that’s our Super Bowl! Give some props.....
Look at some of the games of Mahomes when he was at Texas Tech. He was great back then. Keep in mind football is a team sport and all players need to contribute to success.
Stephen A “Name a time when there’s been this many great pieces, you can’t do it” Max, Dan, and even Molly Proceeds to name many teams Stephen A talking like these are the greatest offensive pieces Williams is below average, Watkins is about average, Kelce is good but highly overrated, he drops passes religiously Hill is a really good receiver but not an all timer, many teams have had offensive skill position players like this chiefs team, it’s all about Mahommes 100%
Hey there Stephen A. Did you ever think that it might be possible that the ENTIRETY of the offensive weapons are made better by the fact that Mahmomes is an insanely excellent thrower and scrambler and 85% of the time places the ball so perfectly that its an easy catch that just makes the receivers look a little bit better than they are or would be with a lesser talented QB?
Shitty argument by Stephen A. When Max and Dan begin giving up teams and names Stephen A starts to talk over them, so they can’t prove him wrong😂😂 Stephen A just salty Mahomes is the most talked about player and his golden boy in Rodgers just got put out.
Harry Singh Faxx bro! Mahomes could put out the same type of numbers no matter what team he’s on. They must’ve forgot he’s been putting up these types of numbers since he was in Texas Tech.
Now SAS is hating on Patrick Mahomes after singing his praises throughout the last couple years. Last week was Lamar Jackson, this week is Patrick. He's still salty about the Packers losing.
The reality is last year when everyone could see immediately how great Mahomes was, SAS kept saying how he needed to see more. He refuses to admit that he couldnt see what everyone else could see right off. Either give the man his props, and admit that you were the last one on the bandwagon, or sit down and shut up.
There’s never been a team before with an elite tight end, running back, receiver, and QB at the same time? Did Max forget about the existence of the 2006 Chargers? Rivers, Tomlinson, Sproles, Turner, Gates, and Jackson. That’s as elite as it gets in terms of offensive talent.
Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame QB. Offense nicknamed the "Greatest Show on Turf". HIS Weapons: RB, Marshall Faulk (Hall of Fame player), Isaac Bruce (Hall of Fame nominee 2020, 84 of 91 Career TDS with STL), Torry Holt (avg of 1384.5+ yards for 8 straight seasons, borderline HOF), Az-Zahir Hakim (avg 13.7 Yards Per Reception with STL), Ricky Proehl (2 time SB Champ, went to 4 Superbowls with 3 teams: STL, CAR, IND). No one ever questions Kurt Warner's greatness despite a ton of help. Let's not do that to Patrick Mahomes'.
This is the stupidest segment I have ever seen on this show! It is also the most disrespectful! But when Drew Brees, Tom Brady, or any other QB that these people cream all over win and make the playoffs this ish never comes up! I am so sick of this! Give the man his respect! He is the best QB in the league and if you give him any of these pro players he will still be great! But every team that has a great QB has weapons! So stop it!!!
The excuse that everybody gave Tom Brady this year was that he didn't have anybody to throw to including Stephen A and now he wants to sit here and say that Patrick Mahomes wouldn't be as great without his offensive weapons?
It's literally just Hill and Kelce Watkins didn't do much during the season and Hartman mostly just a return a guy people hyping up the chiefs weapons to downgrade Mahomes
Stephen A just mad. Watkins, hill, Williams, and Hardman were never elite until Mahomes got the job. Kelce been great but to say mahomes doesn’t make these guys look great is foolish
Montana - Rice (coach Walsh) Brady - Gronk, Moss, Welker, Elderman (coach Belicheck) Manning - Harrison, Wayne, Clark (coach Dungy) Elway - Sharpe, Smith, McCaferey (coach Shanahan) Roethlisberger - Ward, Brown, (coach Cowher) The list goes on. Mahomes is the best you've ever seen, don't try to hold him to a different standard because you don't want to recognize something greater than you've ever known.
Alex Smith had most of the same weapons, AND had a great run game. No where near the production. Steven A, you are making yourself look the fool more than normal.
I love the reaction MOLLY gives after opening the segment. "Did you hear that Stephen A?" Is my new favorite Molly quote of the day.. She is the greatest out of all in her position and deserves a statue right outside Espn studios. Im sorry SAS but you drown yourself in your own argument. The gang had SAS jumping from NFL to Basketball???? What!!!! "What!!!!!" Prisoners of the moment are always cute. Facts are not. Like me Mahones can make anybody look like Jerry Rice.
"Or he would just run it" 😆 J. Rose is one lucky man to be put in a position to make or pay someone to make a youtube video featuring all the cute and great things Molly says. ThankUveryMuch.
Aaron Rodgers' receivers from 2009-2012 were an abundance of weapons. Every receiver just about could've have been a number 1 receiver in the league at the time but no one talks about that. Greg Jennings the super star, Donald Driver the seasoned vet, a young Randall Cobb (starting in 2011) who was all over the field, Jordy Nelson who eventually became the number 1, and James Jones the Moss Machine and Jermichael Finley who was pretty good. They were stacked ASF! Don't forget to mention they got Davante Adams later on who grew to be one of the league's top receivers as well.
Honestly, I hate that sports analysts do this. How are you going to call a team great and say the players are elite, then call their individual greatness into question and try to cause rifts to make someone go on their own and “prove” themselves as an individual. Just be happy with their team as a whole. I’m sick of people questioning players based on the people around them. That’s how anyone becomes great. This question is ridiculous
I have been watching First Take since 2010 & this is the 'Only Time' I can remember Stephen A. losing the first 4 Debates to Open the Show. Since Stephen A. was suffering from a Cold he should have stayed home & in bed....Stevie A. got Smoked by Max & Dan.
That’s just hate, Do you see the throws that Pat Mahomes makes? Also the Chiefs defense isn’t all that great so that’s also another factor that can’t bail him out
Stephen A: I am not questioning the greatness of Patrick Mahomes
* proceeds to question the greatness of Patrick Mahomes 😂😂
Teezy lol!!
Yup the same thing max do to tom brady 😆
Mahomes will show how really good he is against the Niners defense. 😂
And included Mecole Hardman?!?! He had 26 catches!
Teezy He’s butthurt that Mahomes will be better than Rodgers ever was.
Isn't that basically the case for every QB in the league? Lol
Bearboy 2.0 Lamar was great without top 10 weapons
Yea but some are clearly better than others.
Stephen a hasn’t slept in weeks..
@@ronaldfarrington7146 nobody would take Lamar over Mahomes.
@@ronaldfarrington7146 lamar had a great stop it
Better question: Would the weapons in KC be great without Mahomes?
Someone has to consistently get them the ball to be great.
They would be close. They get 3-5 yards of separation on every play. Mahomes is great but he was actually off target a lot yesterday. His receivers had to bail him out a few times. Not saying it happens often, but it may not have went the same way if he didn't have those receivers. Guess we will see in a few years when they are gone.
Swa Sho Short answer is yes and it’s been proven with Alex Smith.
@@robbier3785 they were never this elite with smith
They were a playoff team pre-Mahomes. Kelce was considered the best tight end, Hill was elite, and Andy Reid was considered an offensive genius before Mahomes.
@@Smooth258 Hill was not Elite before Mahomes got there, playoffs team that choked constantly with a game manager at QB that couldn't go through progressions.
No sh*t. Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers would probably be in the Super Bowl if they had the Chiefs lineup. That doesn't take away from Mahomes ability to comeback in desperate situations and to be able to throw as accurately as he can. Congrats to the Chiefs from a Patriots fan.
they make it sound like Mahomes and a crew...annoying.
Mahomes is accurate, mobile tall big and strong. He's like Arron Rodgers/ Ben Ben/ Cam Newton.
The Man Called Sting you deserve some accolades
Agree I envy what the Cheifs have props to Andy Reid building an amazing team with an Elite Quarterback Mahomes a beast wish Tom had one of those receivers or Tightend
Mahomes can’t win with Stephen A. Mahomes wins “He has too many weapons to not win” if Mahomes lost “Mahomes has too many weapons to lose”. Never will be good enough
Stephen A got destroyed here lololol
Lmao he really didn’t. Chiefs were a playoff team before Mahomes. Andy Reid is a genius, and the Chiefs receivers have the most yards of separation according to Next Gen stats
Smooth258 playoffs does not equate to being a contender. Don’t get it twisted. They are SUPERBOWL CONTENDERS with Mahomes.
Smooth258 yes he got destroyed because he had to bring up basketball in a football conversation. In basketball one player can determine the outcome of a game by himself. Not so much in football. Also KD was very capable of beating the Warriors being up 3-1.
Smooth258 definitely got destroyed because he’s a hater
No
Patrick Mahomes is honestly so good
@@RobbieStacks90 oh yeah cause I was definitely there when you told me huh
@@RobbieStacks90 eventually I'm sure they would have stopped him, especially when that's the only weapon they have, just surprised me the ravens were not able to do it.
@@RobbieStacks90 nah you were playing your Gundam
He's good right now with a ton of talent around him and all day to throw in the pocket. Let's see how good he is when he gets his deal
Yeah when you have Great Coaching and Weapons of course you will be. Mahomes is good but he isn't all that. Put him on a team like the Dolphins and you watch he would not be "so good"
Molly: blah blah blah
Everyone: Ignores her question
😂😂😂😂 salty much
Stephen A comparing Pat Mahomes to KD playing for the warriors is one of the worst takes in history.
He's a clown
@@HillTopHungBuck7 chiefs are not overpowered without him tho tf
@@HillTopHungBuck7 kd joined a team a win away from a chip who also set the record for wins in a season. gtfoh with that
@@HillTopHungBuck7 You're actually insane lmao. More power to you buddy
@@HillTopHungBuck7 settle down son, the GS dream is long over now. And no GS with KD is in no way comparable to Mahomes and the Chiefs.
Chiefs with Alex Smith: Good team.
Chiefs with Pat Mahomes: Great team.
That's the difference Mahomes is to the Chiefs.
without kareem hunt too
Preach my friend, I'm not even a chiefs fan. Unfortunately I bleed green and white (Jets fan here)
@@rafisanders get use to rebuilding bud 😂
i’m from kansas city and loved alex smith..the team won and he brought a mentality here, but pat is special..literally took the team over the top and made us forget about our flaws defensively
Well-said.
Would Magic Johnson be considered great without the talent he had around him?
W
How about when Peyton had:
-Demaryius Thomas
-Emmanuel Sanders
-Julius Thomas
-Eric Decker
-Wes Welker
-Knowshon Moreno
Edit: I’m just saying there have been QBs that have had weapons somewhat equivalent to what Mahomes has.
The 6 I guess SAS forgot the 80’s & 90’s, Montana & Troy....
Dallas Clark,Marvin Harrison,Reggie Wayne,edggerin James and Brandon stokley with the colts too
Julius Thomas when not paired with Peyton did not produce, Decker was productive but not to the levels he was with Peyton. Moreno was a decent back but nothing more. D Thomas also dropped off.
marcos516712341 I’m not taking anything away from Peyton. I’m just pointing out that there have been teams that have had weapons around the QB comparable to the ones Mahomes has.
And he threw 55 touchdowns and 5500 yards lol
This dude is always hating
Unless its KD
The saddest thing about what he's doing. Is he's the main person who uses the race card but now Hating on his own race. Mahomes is black but be won't praise him more than he does with Aaron Rodgers
It's not hating if he's right
@@iRawstah he aint right
He’s being objective. Mahomes has an offensive genius in Andy Reid, the best tight end in the game, Hill, and a great O-line. Let’s not pretend as if that’s irrelevant. QBs like Wilson, Brady have shown they can lead a team to the playoffs with way less
Who would?! Lol
I'm not even a Chiefs fan but he's the best QB in the game right now.
That’s debatable. Russell Wilson plays behind a bottom ranked O-line and an archaic scheme. Mahomes receiver’s, according to Next Gen stats get the most separation in the league. That’s Andy Reid’s scheme.
@@Smooth258 lockett is open almost every play, they just force the run because Seattle's offensive scheme is inept.
Y'all keep sleeping on Lamar stop it!!
Give me Tom Brady over him any day of the week
@Altus Snow now imagine what he could do with a good offensive scheme.
Since when did we start holding having a good team against someone 🤔
Since lebron went to miami
@@damianpresha5155 not the same scenario.
Since Dak and other young BROTHAS entered the league.
It's always the WRs, RBs OL, Coaches, Defenses or someone else credited for their successes.
ANY and EVERYONE except them!
Since Brady won his 4th SB
@@pablorebsamen290 it's funny cause they say yeah Dak is trash with out his weapons but here saying of course mahomes needs his weapons....
Same weapons when Alex Smith was playing QB and never sniffed 30 touchdowns. Mahomes walks in first year starting and drops 50. Conversation over.
Alex Smith is GARBAGE.
Exactly. It's the same BS they try to pull with comparing Matt Cassel and Brady.
it’s a really stupid question. i totally agree with sas on this one because it’s LITERALLY true. ofc these offensive weapons help mahomes be great but by no means are we saying he isn’t great. he’s the reigning mvp but the point is simple, they obviously help elevate great quarterbacks to be as amazing as they are now. without them, a lot of quarterbacks wouldn’t be considered as great as they are now. proven by brady, one year difference in weapons, one was sb and one was wildcard eliminated.
think of it this way, those offensive weapons were so good they elevated the playing of alex smith and was still a playoff caliber team. NOBODY ever would say alex smith was “elite” yet they consistently made playoffs and had winning records.
Sean C. Works both ways man. Good receivers need good quarterbacks and vice versa.
Stephen a smith salty Aaron the golden boy lost
Someone has to appreciate and praise him.
He is but he speakin fax, think about what other top QBs would do with those types of wrs. Not just 1 good receiver but Patrick Mahomes has all top wr threats, best O line, good RB, best TE like cmon now
SAS is a SAAAAAAAD MAN!
He's overrated easy schedule they got exposed this game
EyeGreen - so now we question a dude’s ability because of the pieces a organization puts behind their QB you and SAS argument does not make any sense at all
Stephen A taken Ls left and right over his predictions
He lost me when he listed Damien Williams as a weapon
Damien is solid though
*Damien
@@rudymathews7643 thanks about to edit figured I didn't spell it right lol
i’m sure russell wilson would like to have damien williams
@Literally God would he prefer Williams to Chris Carson?
Slowest receiver runs a 4.4 on Kansas City 😂
Track team
Stephen a takes the L
on this topic. salty about
his BAAAD Man lossing.
Nah u can say this about every quarterback
Super FACTS. Stephen A doesn't even know enough basketball (or sports period) to break down plays or film, so how is he going to tell us anything about football? Stick to league gossip and rumors. Just let Mahomes cook. Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Drew etc have had their moments. Let the young man have his.
@@BoldenFMA he does fine. He knows more then max. Max just has boxing under his belt. Max comes up with stupid stuff all the time.
Monika Bedollac Im actually with stephen a on this one , I wanna see when Mahomes get paid that max contract and takes up chunk of that salary cap , when some of those guys leave in free agency, let’s see how he does , hey I might be wrong , but i wanna see it
@@Liquid12322to each his own
When Mahomes didn’t have tyreek, he was still eating
Matt Moore with these weapons was eating though
that cause he has so many weapons if he loses one, there is still 5 other weapons he can go to
Chris Roberts Matt Moore 🤣
@@chrisroberts3447 Matt moore 😂
@@McStrokeAvision Matt Moore had a 108 passer rating against the vikings and packers with these weapons. Matt Moore is basically a high school q.b and these weapons made him look pretty good
*Did he seriously just compare KD joining the 73-9 Warriors to what Mahomes does with the Chiefs? SAS is the star of this show but his football knowledge is quite limited.*
Stephen A mad Rodgers loss
Bruh 😂 he just said that the 73-9 GSW was comparable to a KC team who choked an 18pt lead to the Mariota-led Tennessee Titans ! 😂 then he’s gonna point the finger at Max for hating on KD when he forgot that he, SaS, called the move to GSW the “weakest move by a superstar”
@@boredsoimakevideos12 Not to mention Mahomes was DRAFTED THERE. Good Lord this is the stupidest Stephen A. take of all time.
bad analogy he should have just said he already joined a team that alex smith had led to the playoffs multiple years in a row having some success and when mahomes got there they had a team full of developed all-pros and pro bowl level talent at most positions on the offense which isn’t a lie it’s a literal fact
@@Ca9ineTuK Exactly! Smith's numbers in 2017 were identical to Mahomes' stats this year
Steven a just be talking to make a argument espn tells him what to say
That has to be the structure of all debate shows otherwise if people said what they ACTUALLY thought, this would just be a regular talk show.
@@done9337 Really? I don't think so, and you don't know how T.v personalities works
@@mindhunter8772 llp
@@mindhunter8772 Use your brain buddy,. If we really wanted to we could make a compilation of these guys contradicting and arguing with themselves on many topics. Take Skip Bayless for instance, most times he takes Tom Brady's side, even if it's something that he would bash Lebron about.
Tony Yayo Stephen a is just a loudmouth
Stephen A is acting like Mecole Hardman is the second coming of Randy Moss. He is just hating on Mahomes without trying to be obvious.
Speed- hardman RUNS a 4.25
No
If I'm not mistaken, Travis Kelce was dropping some completely accurate passes thrown by Mahomes last night, and Demarcus Robinson was doing the same thing in the Texans game. But these are great offensive weapons right? Don't get me wrong, I know these guys are still good at the end of the day, but I don't think this offense is quite as great as people make it seem. I think Mahomes has been the one who's stepped it up and saved the Chiefs when things go wrong with his consistent accuracy and ability.
All receivers drop accurate passes from time to time. Still his receivers are the fastest in the league, with biggest margin of separation. Give Tom Brady these weapons and he'd look 30 again.
Why does everybody keep bringing up Tom Brady what ifs, nobody wants to see a senior citizen playing football anymore except Patriot fans. Dude already has 6 rings and is the goat. Time to let the new blood shine
@@philipkhounvongsa it's just a comparison in the level of sheer talent. Tom Brady still threw for 4000+ yard with that talent discrepancy. Give Mahomes those NE and he won't look the same. No one would.
Except Rivers and Mayfield lol; they'd definitely look the same, aka trash.
@@philipkhounvongsa naw it's the truth y'all saying he declined...not true lucky AB lost his marbles Cruz New England would be in the superbowl.
@@blackmanwithcomputer exactly
what a joke. it is a team game of course
This is a BAAAAAAAAAAD take stephen a
“if stafford had weapons”
he literally had Calvin Johnson but ok
Weapons is plural
Stafford didn't have like 4 weapons that was his only good receiver and tate
...and Roy Williams, and Nate Burellson, and Eric Ebron, and Brandon Pettigrew, and Kenny Golladay...but other than that...nobody 😂
Jeremy Dull Jon Kitna has Roy Williams. Eric Ebron couldn’t catch a cold. Petigrew was an Ok tight end. His only true weapon was Megatron, Burleson was a good compliment but not great. Golladay is gonna be great, but at the same time, Jones is aging and can’t stay healthy. Stafford has never really had multiple weapons.
And where did they go ever ? Tf home 😂 CJ retired early bc of the team .
Would any quarterback be? And before you say Tom Brady, he didn't have good enough weapons and was not good all year
before tom brady started to regress he would make people around him better
True but most of his career he didn’t have great receivers. When he was don 25 in the Super Bowl he didn’t have a single 4.4 guy. Mahomes has 3 of them
bubblenugget 15 L
@@jrad410 Julian? Randy? Gronk? Wes Walker?
jrad410 that Super Bowl was fixed for the patriots to come back and Matt Ryan out played him
Alex smith basically had the same roster but with Kareem hunt(really good rb) but couldn’t do what mahomes is doing for them.
SAS acting like Tom Brady didn’t have amazing weapons in 2007 season....
Bruh this chief team idk probably better they score so fast it crazy
Randy Moss was really the only one. Wes Welker came out of nowhere and Donte Stallworth was decent but not elite.
Does Stephan A like ANY QBs right now? Lol
Emmpeccable Entertainment rodgers
Bad man
Brady man
Just his man crush Aaron Rodgers.
Only white quarterbacks and Lebron James. Smdh
He only likes white quarterbacks
Imagine bringing up KD in this scenario. KD's situation is totally different as well
not to mention we saw what KD (as gifted as he is offensively) looked like without the Warriors. AND KD has played with More MvPs than any other Star Player in History.
The Warriors also lost the championship and had a need and pursued the best free agent available.
It's hard for most to understand that.
@@HillTopHungBuck7 getting beat by the most stacked team in NBA history while dragging historically the worst team in NBA history (yes worse than his 07 Cavs as they were atleast a top 10 defense) doesnt mean much, atleast in rational peoples eyes... unless of course you think losing to the Celtics in the series prior would have been better? that would be some mental gymnastics.
every team that has gotten to the finals has been a top 10 offense/Defense or both all except one and that is the the 2017 Cavs.
This is one of the dumbest things I’ve heard and I’m not a chiefs fan. Every Qb needs at least 1 weapon. Some QBs make other players look better. If you want to say Pat hasn’t made mediocre Wrs look good then I’ll agree and compromise with that. All qbs need weapons to get and win super bowls.
Patrick has 4 weapons dummy
Chiefs have a genius in Andy Reid, good O-line and weapons. Most QBs don’t have that
@SoBanked- What about top 5-10 defense in and out EVERY single year? and this year Brady cant win with the current WRs , but his fan say that because they didnt keep Amendola and Hogan. So which is it? Whether Tom can win with ANYBODY, or he needs talents also like EVERYBODY else?
@@Smooth258 Yet Andy Reid was 1-5 in Conference Finals, not the best resume you hope from a Head Coach
SoBanked- Brady won the with enough weapons, and Top defenses. Don’t downplay Edelman and James white. They were SB mvps
Here's a great question: Put Jimmy G on the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes on the 49ers. Based on their skill sets and the offensive weapons they have and the coaches and play calling, would Garoppolo put up numbers like Mahomes with the Chiefs and would Mahomes put up similar or better numbers with the 49ers?
Did he see this man’s ball placement yesterday. He dropped absolute dimes on his receivers.
Except for the touchdown to Watkins he had to slow down for the ball instead of leading him
Lil Wayne Carter because Mahomes was out of pocket, throwing off one foot and it was still a good throw. Patrick Mahomes’ meh throws are most QBs best throws and that just shows you how great he is
Lil Wayne Carter Lil Wayne Carter you’re taking about the throw under distress after he was forced out the pocket and threw off one foot? That throw? Lol if he has gotten to the standard where a touchdown pass like that has to be even more perfect he really is great.
not as hard when they almost always have at least 3 yards of separation
Literally God I’m guessing you have some statistics to back up this claim? Because these oh so dominant weapons were there before Mahomes was starting yet the chiefs weren’t in a Super Bowl. This is like Watkins 3rd team. most ppl thought he was a bust but all of a sudden now he is some superstar receiver getting 3 yard separation on each play. Take your stupidity else where. I’m not saying his cast sucks all greats have great support! no one can overcome a roster devoid of talent or great coaching. But also, just stacking a roster with talent doesn’t mean a qb will produce. baker has better weapons than 90% of qbs and had one of the worst seasons of any qb this year.
Tom brady had amazing weapons with moss. They went undefeated and broke the records.Brady is the best QB ever and moss is the Wr ever.
Not for long lol
@@hustleman8797 we shall see nobody's breaking moss record that's for sure
Jerry Rice is the best receiver
Jerry goat🐐🐐
Jerry rice had multiple hall of QBs 😩
This aged well
Today more then usual though, we sure StephenA had his coffee this morning ?!😂 hating on mahomie and jimmyG like come on that’s our Super Bowl! Give some props.....
Pat I get what you saying but Jimmy it not out of line dude didn't have to really do anything
Darrius Hairston I feel but he’s practically throwing shade saying that you mean could QB for the Niners like don’t disrespect dude.
I can see why he talkin about jimmy g but he really is trippin for noy respecting Mahomes greatness
Quentin Gartside he’s still pissed his boyfriend Aaron Rodgers lost
All fun and games until Brady with Gronk and Amendola turned "Legion of Boom" into the Legion of Bums
The Rams did when they had the greatest show on turf.
Kurt Warner QB, Marshall Faulk rb,
Torry Holt, Issac Bruce, hall of fame
Weapons.... without the ability to use them is like a degree from university without truly understanding what you learned.
Give me an internship
Ian't this the same guy who said TODAY that a quarterback can't throw to himself? Literally, go watch the Aaron Rogers segment from today.
“A player would look worse if his team was worse”
Sounds like a First Take thing to say.
Is SAS aware that the weapons look better because of the guy throwing them the ball? It goes both ways...
he acting like alex smith didn't have the exact same weapons the year before come on
Look at some of the games of Mahomes when he was at Texas Tech. He was great back then. Keep in mind football is a team sport and all players need to contribute to success.
Stephen A “Name a time when there’s been this many great pieces, you can’t do it”
Max, Dan, and even Molly
Proceeds to name many teams
Stephen A talking like these are the greatest offensive pieces
Williams is below average, Watkins is about average, Kelce is good but highly overrated, he drops passes religiously
Hill is a really good receiver but not an all timer, many teams have had offensive skill position players like this chiefs team, it’s all about Mahommes 100%
Stephen A speaking the truth here.
“I love Patrick MaHomes.” No you do not.
6:07 when you in a roast session and and someone flaming you up and you just had it, and have to roast they soul 😂😂😂😂
Imagine what he'd say if they lost the championship game
Mahomes literally has a track team as receivers. No one can cover all of them, plus Hill is a top 3 WR in the league, dude's unreal
The chiefs have a track squad for a receiving core.
But he doesn't have a defense or a running game. Give the man his props Stephen!
You can say the same thing about Montana, but all I hear every time someone talks about the man is what a legend he was.
Hey there Stephen A. Did you ever think that it might be possible that the ENTIRETY of the offensive weapons are made better by the fact that Mahmomes is an insanely excellent thrower and scrambler and 85% of the time places the ball so perfectly that its an easy catch that just makes the receivers look a little bit better than they are or would be with a lesser talented QB?
U put Mahomes with Browns or Bengals, hes gonna take them to Playoffs....no questions!
Nah you smoking
Tribinsky would do the same thing with these weapons.?? NOT!!!😂😂😂
Shitty argument by Stephen A. When Max and Dan begin giving up teams and names Stephen A starts to talk over them, so they can’t prove him wrong😂😂 Stephen A just salty Mahomes is the most talked about player and his golden boy in Rodgers just got put out.
ChefBoiArty Best QB in the league
Harry Singh Faxx bro! Mahomes could put out the same type of numbers no matter what team he’s on. They must’ve forgot he’s been putting up these types of numbers since he was in Texas Tech.
Now SAS is hating on Patrick Mahomes after singing his praises throughout the last couple years. Last week was Lamar Jackson, this week is Patrick. He's still salty about the Packers losing.
Hill, etc. were all good players before Mahomes. Now they are great players. Works both ways.
The reality is last year when everyone could see immediately how great Mahomes was, SAS kept saying how he needed to see more. He refuses to admit that he couldnt see what everyone else could see right off. Either give the man his props, and admit that you were the last one on the bandwagon, or sit down and shut up.
SAS he lead his team to win coming drom behind in 2 straight games when his team was playing bad stop it man
Mahomes makes plays that I only saw John Elway make.... 60yrd dart throwing cross country wow insane
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There’s never been a team before with an elite tight end, running back, receiver, and QB at the same time? Did Max forget about the existence of the 2006 Chargers? Rivers, Tomlinson, Sproles, Turner, Gates, and Jackson. That’s as elite as it gets in terms of offensive talent.
That team is not even remotely as good. Nice try
Give Brady these weapons 👀
Stop it skip Bayless
It’s facts 😂 but even then if Brady had this talent someone out there would say well if it wasn’t for those weapons
Love Brady, but he had the greatest tight end ever, Moss, Welker, Michel and Edelman
Oh, and he also had White and Amendola, too. They both balled out in that Super Bowl vs ATL.
Fatima AL-Enizi wat about now tho, no TE , sloppy receivers , broken Edelman , weak run game
Watkins, Hardy and Williams are just products of mahomes greatness.
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT
OvO Wilkins yall the only ones saying it
Kurt Warner, Hall of Fame QB. Offense nicknamed the "Greatest Show on Turf". HIS Weapons: RB, Marshall Faulk (Hall of Fame player), Isaac Bruce (Hall of Fame nominee 2020, 84 of 91 Career TDS with STL), Torry Holt (avg of 1384.5+ yards for 8 straight seasons, borderline HOF), Az-Zahir Hakim (avg 13.7 Yards Per Reception with STL), Ricky Proehl (2 time SB Champ, went to 4 Superbowls with 3 teams: STL, CAR, IND).
No one ever questions Kurt Warner's greatness despite a ton of help. Let's not do that to Patrick Mahomes'.
This is the stupidest segment I have ever seen on this show! It is also the most disrespectful! But when Drew Brees, Tom Brady, or any other QB that these people cream all over win and make the playoffs this ish never comes up! I am so sick of this! Give the man his respect! He is the best QB in the league and if you give him any of these pro players he will still be great! But every team that has a great QB has weapons! So stop it!!!
The excuse that everybody gave Tom Brady this year was that he didn't have anybody to throw to including Stephen A and now he wants to sit here and say that Patrick Mahomes wouldn't be as great without his offensive weapons?
a great wide receiver would not be great in stephen A's eyes because that wide receiver is only great because he has a really good QB.
2 years later Patrick loses Tyreek hill and is still in the mvp conversation and has a 11-3 record and is playing even better rn
😂you know Stephen A wanted to say sumn to molly after she said “you hearing this Stephen A??”😂😂😭
Mahomes had one or two receivers wide open on every play. Sure, he's amazing, but his crew and Reid schemes are just top level.
Alex Smith had the same weapons his last year in KC and wasn't putting up Mahomes' numbers
@@Axel-ze9mx So?
@@stephanea5364 If it was Andy and the crew, why didn't Smith win the MVP ?
If this Steven A thinks that explain why Baker Mayfield and Jared Goff aren't in the playoffs
Stephen A acts like the General Manager doesn't exist and make the team around the QB
People say Brady and AR makes low picks good Mahomes made these guys
Somebody check Stephen Smith for CTE
It's literally just Hill and Kelce Watkins didn't do much during the season and Hartman mostly just a return a guy people hyping up the chiefs weapons to downgrade Mahomes
Stephen A just mad. Watkins, hill, Williams, and Hardman were never elite until Mahomes got the job. Kelce been great but to say mahomes doesn’t make these guys look great is foolish
Montana - Rice (coach Walsh)
Brady - Gronk, Moss, Welker, Elderman (coach Belicheck)
Manning - Harrison, Wayne, Clark (coach Dungy)
Elway - Sharpe, Smith, McCaferey (coach Shanahan)
Roethlisberger - Ward, Brown, (coach Cowher)
The list goes on. Mahomes is the best you've ever seen, don't try to hold him to a different standard because you don't want to recognize something greater than you've ever known.
Alex Smith had most of the same weapons, AND had a great run game. No where near the production. Steven A, you are making yourself look the fool more than normal.
I love the reaction MOLLY gives after opening the segment. "Did you hear that Stephen A?" Is my new favorite Molly quote of the day.. She is the greatest out of all in her position and deserves a statue right outside Espn studios. Im sorry SAS but you drown yourself in your own argument. The gang had SAS jumping from NFL to Basketball???? What!!!! "What!!!!!" Prisoners of the moment are always cute. Facts are not. Like me Mahones can make anybody look like Jerry Rice.
"Or he would just run it" 😆 J. Rose is one lucky man to be put in a position to make or pay someone to make a youtube video featuring all the cute and great things Molly says. ThankUveryMuch.
SAS so salty that Rodgers lost. Making up excuses for why mahomes isn't the bomb
Aaron Rodgers' receivers from 2009-2012 were an abundance of weapons. Every receiver just about could've have been a number 1 receiver in the league at the time but no one talks about that. Greg Jennings the super star, Donald Driver the seasoned vet, a young Randall Cobb (starting in 2011) who was all over the field, Jordy Nelson who eventually became the number 1, and James Jones the Moss Machine and Jermichael Finley who was pretty good. They were stacked ASF! Don't forget to mention they got Davante Adams later on who grew to be one of the league's top receivers as well.
I agree Bienemy should be a head coach in the NFL. However, the rest of the leagues loss is KC's gain.
How ridiculous. Every QB owes his success to the OL, RBs, receivers, TE. It's a team sport.
Honestly, I hate that sports analysts do this. How are you going to call a team great and say the players are elite, then call their individual greatness into question and try to cause rifts to make someone go on their own and “prove” themselves as an individual. Just be happy with their team as a whole. I’m sick of people questioning players based on the people around them. That’s how anyone becomes great. This question is ridiculous
This is really rude. 23 years old only in his third season and he makes it to the SB and these are the kinds of headlines he gets the next day? 🙄
I have been watching First Take since 2010 & this is the 'Only Time' I can remember Stephen A. losing the first 4 Debates to Open the Show. Since Stephen A. was suffering from a Cold he should have stayed home & in bed....Stevie A. got Smoked by Max & Dan.
What Stephen a Smith should be questioning is when is his hairline gonna stop going up
Alex smith had hill , kelce , and hunt and nobody at the time was talking about the chiefs offensive having "weapons" lol
Isn't having the best and most weapons the goal of all teams? Mahomes may the weapon making others great
I'm sorry I didnt see anybody but patrick mahomes extend a play then run down the sideline break 2 or 3 tackles for a td against the titans
That’s just hate, Do you see the throws that Pat Mahomes makes? Also the Chiefs defense isn’t all that great so that’s also another factor that can’t bail him out
This question again lmao. Why can’t anyone appreciation greatness without an argument?