Why not just keep the door open after having placed the workpiece on the rack ? You wouldn't have to open it again when picking up the scrap for disposal.
They run coolant to both cool the cutting tip(s) and to flush away chips. The high pressure coolant where I work runs at 1000psi. You can imagine the mess it would make if you left the door open!
@@marcseclecticstuff9497 Look again, machine was waiting for a new stock, there's no reason to close the door in between of picking up the last workpiece and the scrap leftover. That's just lazy programming
There is a reason, limited interface with machine tool. No robot interface was on the machine, and only 2 spare M codes. So 2 separate routines are selected and run, 1- door open, part removal, door close. 2- door open, part removal, door close. Cycle time is not a concern for this application.
Why not used auto door system (pneumatic) ?? It's good if you wanted to decrease cycle time. And also one robot can run two or three CNC simultaneously.
@Jianniu CHEN yea So intresting consumer, they are fund thousands of money for buying a robot and they are cannot add 100 usd for pneumatic cylinder? @AutomationSolutionss if i was there i would try to convince buy by referenced a break-even analysis. because nearly 25% more work possible. (16 secons per Cycle time)
my thoughts exactly - the linear fine moves on the Fanuc are so slow relative to what a cylinder would do- but not knowing the volume requirements makes this a hard question-
@@becuasegoodreason 100 USD for a ~600mm stroke cylinder? Sounds like a good deal. Does your price include the control valve, wiring, air fittings, service unit, position sensing, mounting bracket, installation and integration?
I think the robotic arm is only suitable for simple projects. If it is to manufacture expensive workpieces, it will cause huge losses in the event of an accident.
We have several of these that are used to transfer axles from one machine to another. They are quite useful in heavy part manufacturing. Much more nimble and fast than manually hoisting the part into place.
Really not sure what you mean and how you can make the assumption from that video. I am standing outside the robot cell which is protected with steel mesh panels on the sides and a light curtain across the front. If I could reply with photos I would show you the full layout
how many peoples one barrel of oil(about 4800MJ of energy) unemployed? how many peoples one 1ton of TNT unemployed? how many peoples one telephone line unemployed? The work is not the man purpose but unpleasant necessity.
What a is that a $50,000 robot arm for a $40,000 machine that moves at snail speed that a no experience operator can do. Plus it doesn't check the parts. I worked on some fancy ass setups and in my old building we had a few robot arm stations that ran 2-3 mill machines at a time along with setting them up in fixtures for the cmm. It ran a 100% cmm check than place it on 1 of 2 conveyors. 1 good parts and1 bad. Everything we made was medical or aerospace but these were all medical parts I'm talking about. This just causes you to need to have someone that knows how to fix it when it's down in the building that is paid a lot along with someone who is able to write the code for it on hand. I also assume this machine will never be changed over unless the customer leaves them.
I noticed you edited the value back from $200k. This robot supply and install was less than $20k as they found a 2nd hand unit fit for purpose. The robot and machine run at the necessary speeds to suit the customers requirements
@@AutomationSolutionss most sweat shops I know just give a man another hat to wear in order to save cost. They will make operator out of the janitor, then maintenance tech out of operator/janitor, then robotic programmer out of all the above. More responsibility with little pay. This is roughest when you work for yourself. The side effect is that a business run poorly like that is a breeding ground for experience for the technicians. They will go and find better paying jobs.
Being new to fanuc robots and most of that experience being with IRVision. How would one write the code to adjust for the different positions of the material and the placement of the final products? Is there a sensor I’m not seeing? it doesn’t look like the robot pauses long enough for a sensor to be utilized for 3D imaging.
@Wesley Blokker yep, pretty much. Not using pal function, just my own program to calc position and write to pr. Movements to\from chuck are generic, and just have an offset for part length
@@AutomationSolutionss I should admit I don’t have much experience using calculus. Are there any videos or literature you would recommend I take a look at to be able to learn how to do things similar to what you are describing?
@Wesley Blokker an 18 minute machining cycle, the robot is spending about 6 seconds to open and close the door. With an auto door, the robot\cnc will still have to wait for the door to open and close. So you may save 1 second on overall cycle time.
@@rawrimadeinosaur7513 it is steel tube so very light. Machine cycle is slow, so little benefit in running robot at 100% to gain 5 seconds on on ~10 minute cycle.
You should read the other comments, the machining cycle is very slow, in the minutes. Saving 3 seconds a cycle with an auto door isn't worth the customers expense.
More than a cylinder, also a valve, sensors, cables, installation, and programming. For what? A 2 second gain (robot and machine still need to wait for auto door to open\close) on an 18 minute cycle? This customer (and others) can't justify that.
i love it. but its slower than a human. the only benefit is it can work 24/7 without breaks or crying about "wanting to go home" or being "paid". you feed it electricity and code and it happily hums along. power it off the sun and its free labor after ROI.
>5 minute machining cycle that's why. And more than a cylinder, valve sensors integration. and for what saving? Its not a magic door, robot and machine have to wait for door to open close anyway. so you are only saving the 1 second each motion to swing to/from the door area once its opened/closed.
Everyone says beutiful and so and so, does anyone think that this Machine unimployed 3 Men maybe ?! at least. And the scariest one is that the world is going in this direction, and we cant do anything,population is growing, robotics is growing. Where are we heading to?! Sory for my english , not my mother language.
No one lost their job here. He couldn't find people interested in doing the work. So now his people are doing the 'smarter' jobs in the factory (gauging, setting, etc)
how many peoples one barrel of oil(about 4800MJ of energy) unemployed? how many peoples one 1ton of TNT unemployed? how many peoples one telephone line unemployed? from time of industrial revolution there is more and more jobs, and overall standard of living go up and up, the robots and and AI is boogie man for hundreds of years.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, the Fanuc R2000 165F was selected for it's reach, not payload. It was also available 2nd hand, kitted out as seen in the video. Too good a unit and deal to pass up.
yes that was scrapped material... in right you can se the required material .. which robot puts thet gently and in left there is scrap .. and in every billet there is some waste at last
No one has lost their job at this facility, and are producing more volume. Employees now feel more secure due to volunteer of work and there owners investment into the company.
These are super cool worked at a company where we had similar ones. Very good for large production runs especially on non critical parts.
Large Production only possible by spm special purpose machines
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Why not just keep the door open after having placed the workpiece on the rack ? You wouldn't have to open it again when picking up the scrap for disposal.
Safety reason
They run coolant to both cool the cutting tip(s) and to flush away chips. The high pressure coolant where I work runs at 1000psi. You can imagine the mess it would make if you left the door open!
@@marcseclecticstuff9497 Look again, machine was waiting for a new stock, there's no reason to close the door in between of picking up the last workpiece and the scrap leftover. That's just lazy programming
There is a reason, limited interface with machine tool. No robot interface was on the machine, and only 2 spare M codes.
So 2 separate routines are selected and run, 1- door open, part removal, door close. 2- door open, part removal, door close. Cycle time is not a concern for this application.
@@AutomationSolutionss Allright, thanks for the answer
I thought the robot at the end would press the cycle start button
When finished robot nc with code starting machine
Fanuc robot is cool 🔥🔥
Why not used auto door system (pneumatic) ?? It's good if you wanted to decrease cycle time. And also one robot can run two or three CNC simultaneously.
Customer doesn't require automated door, cost v return study has been performed.
@@AutomationSolutionss the waste of Cycle time is the biggest waste
@Jianniu CHEN yea
So intresting consumer, they are fund thousands of money for buying a robot and they are cannot add 100 usd for pneumatic cylinder?
@AutomationSolutionss if i was there i would try to convince buy by referenced a break-even analysis.
because nearly 25% more work possible. (16 secons per Cycle time)
my thoughts exactly - the linear fine moves on the Fanuc are so slow relative to what a cylinder would do- but not knowing the volume requirements makes this a hard question-
@@becuasegoodreason 100 USD for a ~600mm stroke cylinder? Sounds like a good deal.
Does your price include the control valve, wiring, air fittings, service unit, position sensing, mounting bracket, installation and integration?
I think the robotic arm is only suitable for simple projects. If it is to manufacture expensive workpieces, it will cause huge losses in the event of an accident.
We have several of these that are used to transfer axles from one machine to another. They are quite useful in heavy part manufacturing. Much more nimble and fast than manually hoisting the part into place.
No safety gate? I assume that R2000 is using DCS?
Really not sure what you mean and how you can make the assumption from that video.
I am standing outside the robot cell which is protected with steel mesh panels on the sides and a light curtain across the front.
If I could reply with photos I would show you the full layout
This robot made a person unemployed.
Or 4 for 7x24 shifting work.
employes maybe went to better works.
and it made a robot technician employed- advancements in technology get rid of one job but create other skilled positions
how many peoples one barrel of oil(about 4800MJ of energy) unemployed? how many peoples one 1ton of TNT unemployed? how many peoples one telephone line unemployed? The work is not the man purpose but unpleasant necessity.
No crying, bitching,pissing and moaning, calling in or not coming in at all. Lol. And parts at the end of the day.
You save money by paying an operator, avoid mistakes, prevent high cycle time due to distractions or lazyness. It's totally worth it on the long run.
Exciting video
What a is that a $50,000 robot arm for a $40,000 machine that moves at snail speed that a no experience operator can do. Plus it doesn't check the parts.
I worked on some fancy ass setups and in my old building we had a few robot arm stations that ran 2-3 mill machines at a time along with setting them up in fixtures for the cmm. It ran a 100% cmm check than place it on 1 of 2 conveyors. 1 good parts and1 bad. Everything we made was medical or aerospace but these were all medical parts I'm talking about.
This just causes you to need to have someone that knows how to fix it when it's down in the building that is paid a lot along with someone who is able to write the code for it on hand. I also assume this machine will never be changed over unless the customer leaves them.
I noticed you edited the value back from $200k.
This robot supply and install was less than $20k as they found a 2nd hand unit fit for purpose.
The robot and machine run at the necessary speeds to suit the customers requirements
Very nice working.
I am trying to talk my boss into using an old 120ib to do the same type of stuff.
Saving a buck on operator?
This might work if nothing else gets to be run on this machine. You better keep a good programmer staff nearby.
By good programmer you mean machine setter? Yes, they are still there working on adjacent machines
@@AutomationSolutionss most sweat shops I know just give a man another hat to wear in order to save cost. They will make operator out of the janitor, then maintenance tech out of operator/janitor, then robotic programmer out of all the above. More responsibility with little pay.
This is roughest when you work for yourself. The side effect is that a business run poorly like that is a breeding ground for experience for the technicians. They will go and find better paying jobs.
Being new to fanuc robots and most of that experience being with IRVision. How would one write the code to adjust for the different positions of the material and the placement of the final products? Is there a sensor I’m not seeing? it doesn’t look like the robot pauses long enough for a sensor to be utilized for 3D imaging.
@Wesley Blokker yep, pretty much. Not using pal function, just my own program to calc position and write to pr.
Movements to\from chuck are generic, and just have an offset for part length
@@AutomationSolutionss
I should admit I don’t have much experience using calculus. Are there any videos or literature you would recommend I take a look at to be able to learn how to do things similar to what you are describing?
You could do it with the Palletizing function or even using a for loop.
Super technology
CNC door could be made automatic, safety fencing to be provided for such operation
Customer doesn't require automated door, cost v return study has been performed. Safety fencing is already in place
@Wesley Blokker mate, it isn't worth the trouble..
@Wesley Blokker an 18 minute machining cycle, the robot is spending about 6 seconds to open and close the door. With an auto door, the robot\cnc will still have to wait for the door to open and close. So you may save 1 second on overall cycle time.
how much is it ?
Nice never seen that done before. great!
I wonder what kind of music is like to listen to...
Would like to see it run full speed
They probably don't run it at full speed bc of the tight space and heavy metal it's lifting.
@@rawrimadeinosaur7513 it is steel tube so very light.
Machine cycle is slow, so little benefit in running robot at 100% to gain 5 seconds on on ~10 minute cycle.
@@AutomationSolutionss That is true, and I didn't notice it was a tube tks.
why not using door open close automatically
You should read the other comments, the machining cycle is very slow, in the minutes. Saving 3 seconds a cycle with an auto door isn't worth the customers expense.
Everything is good until one of the motor broken that make you re-teaching all the movement
That wouldn't happen, you just remaster the single axis. All the taught paths are retained.
Why not just add a small cylinder controlled by the robot to open and close the gate ?
More than a cylinder, also a valve, sensors, cables, installation, and programming.
For what? A 2 second gain (robot and machine still need to wait for auto door to open\close) on an 18 minute cycle?
This customer (and others) can't justify that.
Cost?
Would need a scope of what I need to supply for your project. Details of work piece, cell layout, etc will also need required.
👌♥️just awesome
excellent
i love it.
but its slower than a human. the only benefit is it can work 24/7 without breaks or crying about "wanting to go home" or being "paid".
you feed it electricity and code and it happily hums along. power it off the sun and its free labor after ROI.
Its about 40% speed here
Beautiful
Very slow compare to human oprater
Hhmm, not sure how fast a human can handle a 2400 tube into a machine? That's why bar feeders are a common feature next to a cnc lathe.
He is a good boy!
Awesome!!
M30 görünce direk kapı açması lazım robot boşuna zaman kaybediyo
When he sees the m30, he has to open the door directly, the robot wastes no time. Correct translation?
@@AutomationSolutionss yes
great
Robot is slow compare to human, cyclestart, sizemaintain who will do
Hhmm, not sure how fast a human can handle a 2400 tube into a machine? That's why bar feeders are a common feature next to a cnc lathe.
Too much robot for thid kind of operation in case it works a single shift
How to change the insert
The robot has an idle position that is clear of the operator for any manual setting tasks.
Air cylinder for door why bother with having robot open and close? Come on man
>5 minute machining cycle that's why. And more than a cylinder, valve sensors integration.
and for what saving? Its not a magic door, robot and machine have to wait for door to open close anyway. so you are only saving the 1 second each motion to swing to/from the door area once its opened/closed.
Everyone says beutiful and so and so, does anyone think that this Machine unimployed 3 Men maybe ?!
at least.
And the scariest one is that the world is going in this direction, and we cant do anything,population is growing, robotics is growing.
Where are we heading to?!
Sory for my english , not my mother language.
No one lost their job here. He couldn't find people interested in doing the work. So now his people are doing the 'smarter' jobs in the factory (gauging, setting, etc)
Do you really think this is a human job? The same work during hours and days...
yeah but the robot never talks, never says annoying stuff, never wants a raise or a pause! so fuck people, replace them all!
how many peoples one barrel of oil(about 4800MJ of energy) unemployed? how many peoples one 1ton of TNT unemployed? how many peoples one telephone line unemployed? from time of industrial revolution there is more and more jobs, and overall standard of living go up and up, the robots and and AI is boogie man for hundreds of years.
Bit slow, saves paying a body to do it but very slow
it's as fast as the customer wants it to run
bobcat has machines like this doing hyd cyl
Bu kadar şeyi yapmışlar otomatik kapıyı dusunememisler
They've done so much, they can't think of an automatic door. Correct translation?
if that is the translation, please explain the gain and expected payback period on an 18 minute machining cycle.
Apparently these robots don’t understand basic machining. What can go wrong, does go wrong. Still, it’s interesting to see.
Its a robot not a person. It won't understand anything
Nothing like using a robot twice the size needed.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, the Fanuc R2000 165F was selected for it's reach, not payload.
It was also available 2nd hand, kitted out as seen in the video. Too good a unit and deal to pass up.
Df ,the way it drop the part llook like they put it in scrap bin
Do you mean the routine where it drops it in the scrap bin?
@@AutomationSolutionss do u hear the sound when it drop the part. If operator do that that get fire for sure if get caught.
yes that was scrapped material... in right you can se the required material .. which robot puts thet gently and in left there is scrap .. and in every billet there is some waste at last
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Bye, bye jobs
No one has lost their job at this facility, and are producing more volume. Employees now feel more secure due to volunteer of work and there owners investment into the company.
@@AutomationSolutionss no one lost for a while but who knows in the future
They took err job's
Nah, company is still going and actually has a higher number of employees since getting the robot.
It has made the operation more efficient.
@@AutomationSolutionss good to know that. Also I was referring to southpark
But only for rught cutting I mean, and not situable for aerospace manufacturing
good
This machines should start a union