Thanks so much! This is such an old video...and the quality is pretty poor...but I'm happy I can still get the message across. I haven't toned anything in a long time, having gone other experimental routes, but it's definitely something I'd like to return to. Sadly, I no longer live in that house. The house I live in now is lovely and I appreciate it, but the house in El Cerrito remains very close to my heart. Thanks for the comments!
@gwynmichael It's such a delightful process...I just love it! You'll have fun :) Do you have a UV box? I don't, so making the original prints is interesting if the sun refuses to shine for a number of days, lol. But I like the interaction and flow with nature in that regard. If I ever had to crank out a LOT of prints, I might consider building a box.
@AnnaEmert I'm planning on entering these in a small works (5 x 5) juried photography exhibition. Since all work must be no larger than 5 x 5 including framing, I've devised a method for presentation that will give me the most area for the work itself. I have glass cut to 5 x 5 (the works themselves are slightly under that) and will sandwich the prints in between two pieces then solder them together on the edge and add rings and a hanging chain on the back.
@humorless349 These were enlarged Holga negatives and were about 5 x 5 inches. I don't have a large format camera, so unless I'm working on a super small scale, I scan the medium format negatives high resolution and print the larger negative on an inkjet printer to Pictorico OHP transparencies. The enlarged negatives I've worked with range in size from 5 x 5 inches to about 7 x 9 inches. I'd love to go larger, but am limited by what my printer can make.
@2012hopper If the tea is hot (or very warm) the toning process may only take about five minutes. In my experience, the more prints that use the tea bath to print, the longer it takes for the ones toned later in the process. You just have to keep pulling them out an looking. I only used bleach once and it was kind of funky. I think the tsp is less toxic and less stinky and gives a better result.
I do that to try to control the colors. I often like to go for more of a split tone, maybe letting some of the blue stay in. I tell myself it's for control, but maybe I'm just kidding myself, haha!
@@jonathanbrennanart Thanks! I've been working on so many other projects that I haven't tea toned in a few years. I can't keep up with all my interests!
I believe that I tried the tea toning on FB paper once. I didn't bleach it first. The result was...weird...way to orange for my taste. Now, I have a contact on flickr that I believe used some tea in his stop bath (I think?) and his results were rather nice. I never tried any further with bleaching/toning regular photographic paper and instead went to using Ilford warmtone paper and developer. Experiment, I always say!! :)
Yes, I have. But the chemistry seems to include a lot more cautionary advice (i.e. toxicity) and I like to see how I can do the work with the least amount of toxins and the most simplicity (and I just think it's cool to use tea :) ). I might try Van Dyke some time when I can do it in a workshop setting...I know there's beautiful pieces produced by that method.
@ragnvaeig If you tea tone and then bleach, it actually might still result the same. I do the back and forth method, because it makes me feel like I have more control...not sure if that's true :) Now you can tea tone and not bleach at all...and that would result in a darker print overall. I think the one card you bought of mine was toned without bleaching and you can see the difference there.
Have you tried that on rc or fb photographic paper?? Do you know if bleaching rc or fb with tsp work good or is it only for cyanotype. Really good anyways thanks a lot!! :)
Most of the cyanotype on fabric I do are art pieces, so I've never washed any. I do know that in washing cyanotype fabrics non phosphate soaps need to be used, otherwise the blue will fade. Since the cyanotype blue has been bleached out and the tannins in the tea absorbed instead, washing might be okay. I'll have to test a piece at some point.
I haven't been making these for years. I made them the way I was taught, but have noticed how others do and will experiment with that. Have you used a wash tray successfully? Of with cloth, it's really difficult to remove all the toning or sensitizer. How has it worked for you?
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I love drinking tea...Anything with tea gets my attention and support!!! Way cool!
Great video, explained everything perfectly. I also think you have an amazing looking house.
Thanks so much! This is such an old video...and the quality is pretty poor...but I'm happy I can still get the message across. I haven't toned anything in a long time, having gone other experimental routes, but it's definitely something I'd like to return to. Sadly, I no longer live in that house. The house I live in now is lovely and I appreciate it, but the house in El Cerrito remains very close to my heart. Thanks for the comments!
So cool! This winter I am definitely doing this. Thanks.
I do like the layers of blue and tea tone, as I think they add depth. What would happen if you wouldn't bleach it at all before you tea toned it?
@gwynmichael It's such a delightful process...I just love it! You'll have fun :) Do you have a UV box? I don't, so making the original prints is interesting if the sun refuses to shine for a number of days, lol. But I like the interaction and flow with nature in that regard. If I ever had to crank out a LOT of prints, I might consider building a box.
Another wonderful video. You do such great work. I wonder if you could tea tone albumen prints. I hate working with the hazardous toning chemicals.
@AnnaEmert I'm planning on entering these in a small works (5 x 5) juried photography exhibition. Since all work must be no larger than 5 x 5 including framing, I've devised a method for presentation that will give me the most area for the work itself. I have glass cut to 5 x 5 (the works themselves are slightly under that) and will sandwich the prints in between two pieces then solder them together on the edge and add rings and a hanging chain on the back.
@humorless349 These were enlarged Holga negatives and were about 5 x 5 inches. I don't have a large format camera, so unless I'm working on a super small scale, I scan the medium format negatives high resolution and print the larger negative on an inkjet printer to Pictorico OHP transparencies. The enlarged negatives I've worked with range in size from 5 x 5 inches to about 7 x 9 inches. I'd love to go larger, but am limited by what my printer can make.
I love the result..can't wait to try the process
@spiritchannel Haha...yes!!! The thing I love about using tea for a toner is that it's completely non toxic...and it smells good too!
@2012hopper If the tea is hot (or very warm) the toning process may only take about five minutes. In my experience, the more prints that use the tea bath to print, the longer it takes for the ones toned later in the process. You just have to keep pulling them out an looking. I only used bleach once and it was kind of funky. I think the tsp is less toxic and less stinky and gives a better result.
Very cool!!
No UV box, and it can be pretty gray here in winter. I too like the idea of waiting for the sun tho. I will definitely contact you when i get to it.
Thanks for sharing - can I ask why it goes back in the bleach after the tea toning?
I do that to try to control the colors. I often like to go for more of a split tone, maybe letting some of the blue stay in. I tell myself it's for control, but maybe I'm just kidding myself, haha!
@@aikitherese cool, whatever you do they look great - thanks!
@@jonathanbrennanart Thanks! I've been working on so many other projects that I haven't tea toned in a few years. I can't keep up with all my interests!
Impressive, thanks for sharing.
Do you do this with paper prints as well?
I want to do it for my Alevel but I don't know if it will disintegrate?
Nice, it is my favorite photographic process I think. But your method here looks like it too gives some great results. ☠
Yes, I tone paper prints with tea as well.
I believe that I tried the tea toning on FB paper once. I didn't bleach it first. The result was...weird...way to orange for my taste. Now, I have a contact on flickr that I believe used some tea in his stop bath (I think?) and his results were rather nice. I never tried any further with bleaching/toning regular photographic paper and instead went to using Ilford warmtone paper and developer. Experiment, I always say!! :)
@MsWasp123 Experiment! I do some folks have used coffee...I've also seen green tea toned prints, so I think it's all worth giving a try.
Yes, I have. But the chemistry seems to include a lot more cautionary advice (i.e. toxicity) and I like to see how I can do the work with the least amount of toxins and the most simplicity (and I just think it's cool to use tea :) ). I might try Van Dyke some time when I can do it in a workshop setting...I know there's beautiful pieces produced by that method.
@ragnvaeig If you tea tone and then bleach, it actually might still result the same. I do the back and forth method, because it makes me feel like I have more control...not sure if that's true :) Now you can tea tone and not bleach at all...and that would result in a darker print overall. I think the one card you bought of mine was toned without bleaching and you can see the difference there.
is it possible to use another kind of tea, maybe red tea? Also can this work with coffee?
Have you tried that on rc or fb photographic paper?? Do you know if bleaching rc or fb with tsp work good or is it only for cyanotype. Really good anyways thanks a lot!! :)
Would you be able to wash toned cyanotype fabric or would the colors run out?
Most of the cyanotype on fabric I do are art pieces, so I've never washed any. I do know that in washing cyanotype fabrics non phosphate soaps need to be used, otherwise the blue will fade. Since the cyanotype blue has been bleached out and the tannins in the tea absorbed instead, washing might be okay. I'll have to test a piece at some point.
@@aikitherese Thank you so much for getting back to me!
How long do you leave you prints in the tea? Also is regular household bleach ok to use, or should I buy tsp?
uno castillo and me we are both asking WHAT IS TSP? i don't see the answer in the comments
I need to try on clothing as well. Then I'll upload a video about it on my RUclips channel dedicated to film photography
wOW Love this
@lithium68681 I figure anything is worth a try :)
interesting. tfs
Trisodium phosphate.
hello, thank you for a great video, can I substitute TSP with with something else? As where i live, we don't have TSP.
Why not keep a wash tray rather than waste water. God save North America and their wastefulness of resources!
I haven't been making these for years. I made them the way I was taught, but have noticed how others do and will experiment with that. Have you used a wash tray successfully? Of with cloth, it's really difficult to remove all the toning or sensitizer. How has it worked for you?