Mans reasoning cannot change Gods commandments. It is adultery according to the real word of God to remarry while the husband lives. Paul stated the same thing.
Paul is talking about the law of marriage. If a woman leaves her husband and is with another man of course she is an adulterer. The whole basis of this false doctrine is Mathew 19 that has both to do with divorce but sending away your woman which is not divorce. The original Greek word is send away. Not divorce Further more. The biblical definition of divorce is a man taking another man’s woman. A single man can commit adultery but a single woman can not. According to the scripture. This is a false destructive legalistic teaching. It comes straight from the devil himself
Yep - its true, I have seen this issue played out over the years with my own family and others with the same situation where no matter what happens after the 'divorce' the original partners very often still interact together like their still married in a sense as the truth shows - they are...
There is nothing complicated about the original Greek text. Some people want to intentionally muddy the waters, and complicate things to fit their narrative, and to prop up their pet doctrines. Look at the original Greek: "μὴ mē (except) ἐπὶ epi (for) πορνείᾳ porneia (sexual immorality)," or in English, "except it be for immorality." Why complicate things?
Under many circumstances adultery is committed when remarrying after divorce; however, too many questions are unanswered? A remarraige is not always adultery. Do you all even stop to think one could be spiritually dead; which is worse than a physical death? Also, does not commiting sexual sin in a marriage break a covenant between the offending and innocent parties? Did not Jesus say if you divorce due to adultery you have committed no sin? Did not Paul tell us in Roman we are not under the law? Did not scripture say a believing spouse is not bound if an unbelieving spouse leaves? If you only get 1 chance at a marriage and family how does a widow get to remarry? By this stance a wide cannot even remarry. We have to be careful f when we speak in absolute terms about scripture when God is so great we cannot put him in a box. God can do as He pleases including allowing a divorce person to remarry if that is His will for that person's life. We do not now how God is moving so therefore when we judge as the bible says let it be righteous judgement.
Thanks for your comment. We address all of these issues including the false interpretation of "exemption clauses" if the unbelievers leaves. 1 Corr 7 is only in the context of separation, NOT divorce. Widows are the only ones allowed to get remarried without being in adultery. Yeshua address the controversial issue and said it how it was. He who divorces and remarries commits adultery and he who marries her that is divorced commits adultery. Even one who simply divorces can "force his wife to commit adultery" This proves that divorce is always associated with sin. Monogamy is God's will under any condition, including living with an unbeliever. You may save his soul if you endure and forgive. NEVER divorce. It is totally illegal and immoral in the eyes of God
@@SaanichtonMinistries Thank you for your perspective and your response on this divisive subject. I did listen to your video. If I asked questions about what you have already answered I am thinking out loud and taking your interpretation of what you have said under consideration. I have studied this topic for a while and it is highly contentious. Many ministers have different interpretations on this matter. So what do we say to those who truly confused about who to listen to when viewpoints dont align? I agree with some points you made, but I also question your interpretation on other points made on this contentious subject. In the old testament we see where the Jews were forced by God to divorce their foreign spouses. Ezra 10 We also see where God (The same God who hates divorce) sought to divorce Isreal due to being angry with Israel for committing adultery, but later stated He would not continue to be angry with them for their sin, but would reconcile with them. Jeremiah 3:6-25. I have studied Corinthians concerning marriage and divorce, I have also studied other books of the bible such as Matthews, Mark, Romans etc. concerning marriage and divorce. Ultimately we should seek to use the tools God has given us as Christians to avoid divorce (praying, fasting, forgiveness, compassion, seeking of ministers for help, etc.) and reconcile with our spouses. However, if someone's life is in danger due to physical abuse or they are being threatened, their biggest concern should staying safe and seeking God for guidance. No doubt many good men and women have been killed after being convinced they cannot divorce a spouse because it is considered sin and because God hates a divorce. I don't question how loving God is. But I wonder if others truly would think that God would rather see someone die from abuse in a marriage rather than divorced from the abuser. What to do we say to those being tortured by demonic spirits, due to being married to someone who is spiritually dead, by this I mean someone like Pharoah who will not change (we saw how this ended)? I would encourage each and every believer to seek God and the Holy Spirit concerning their own personal circumstances in regards to divorcing. God can and will give you an answer pertaining to your circumstances. Sometimes it's not the answer we want, but it will always be the answer we need, because of we are obedient we are in His will. Generally speaking (not addressing your ministry) sometimes man's interpretation of the Word can become a stumbling block and hindrance for someone who really needs God under difficult circumstances.
@@barefootdgypsy3233 Actually Paul did not speak on abuse at all. As a result you must understand the God we serve. I am pro marriage, but I do not believe God would be angry with someone who separated or divorced a spouse due to abuse, especially if it comes down to someone being killed if they stayed with the abuser. Even David had a covenant over his life from God that he would inherent the throne, but had to flee for his life because Saul tried to kill him. I hope you are not a person who would tell someone to stay in an abusive marriage. Abuse is a violation of the marriage covenant, because the abuser is being disobedient to God. This gives the person being abuse a right to at the very least separate for safety, but when they are safe they should go to God in prayer and allow the Holy Spirit to lead them as to how to resolve the matter. Sometimes that means reconciliation after a period of time. Sometimes it may mean divorce.
@@Missmewbs Paul spoke on if a woman divorced for whatever reason she is to remain unmarried. We can not speak on behalf of God. If he doesn’t say it in scripture we can not assume he feels a certain way.
Wow! Noticing the date this video was uploaded - the same week my ex-husband filed for divorce. He abandoned the kids and I, and has since been with multiple women. He is like Gomer from Hosea, but claims to be a christian and feels he is "free" to do whatever he wants now that he's divorced.
That was an excellent video. The truth of God's word. What is most disturbing, is that this is never mentioned in Christian churches. The pastors today are afraid to discuss this subject.
If you preach that remarriage is adultry from the pulpit. There would be an exodus. As the church no longer believes or teaches biblical doctrine on this. May God forgive that his church abandoned his word and his teachings.
If a man or woman who has never been married, marries a divorcee, if they divorce, can the single person marry another single person who hasn’t ever been married and it be considered a covenant marriage?
That is the question of questions. Note the Jewish order... "The bride must be a virgin" So no matter what the problem, even fornication, it was a deal breaker if she was not a virgin. Period. I myself would not marry a bride who was not a virgin. That is just me preference, especially given the large amount of virgins out there. But your question is, "can you marry a divorce case who was not in a legitimate marriage to begin with?" So the person married into adultery, then perhaps got out? Maybe repented if their sin... My question is, why would you want to ask that question? Why would you want to get yourself into a position where that question must be asked or considered. Is that wise? At that point you are dealing with state law and legal law, which is still a law, even if it is not recognized by God. IE the divorce case must still deal with court proceedings, child custody issues, fiscal issues and so on. We are told to respect legal authority. Adulterated marriage is legit in our country and culture. So you are a Single Christian believer, why would you even think about marring a partner who was in an adulterated or fornicated relationship? If you marry a divorced woman, it is adultery, no matter what the cause. IE polygamy, adultery, cohabitation... As we discussed, I would rather be single that get myself into somone else's mess and adultery. I do not care how attractive they are, how they say they are sorry and have repented and been forgiven, how adulterated the previous sexual relationship was or whatever other excuse. So virgin or bust! No exceptions! One hard question would be, a fully devout Christian woman now say 30, had just one sexual encounter in her high-school years after drinking at a party. She repented, thereafter and was chaste ever since. She also since had no contact with that one night affair since. Would she be a pass to a groom to be? Yea or nay? In my judgement she would be a nay, not because I am not gracious, but because there are 10 more beautiful virgins waiting for a chance to marry as well. The girl made a mistake, and the cost was high. In Jewish law, if a young woman was found not to be a virgin at the wedding feast, she could be tried and stoned to death. That is how serious it was and is! So do not play with fire on this one, do not test Jesus Christ on the issue. If you made a mistake, crossed the line, fornicated/got into adultery, stay celibate, practice sexual purity for the rest of your life in self-control. This is by far the safest position. Marriage is hard even as 2 virgins get together, never mind divorce cases and adulterated families. Don't do it. Don't trade your salvation for adultery and fornication. I did many stupid foolish things in my youth, but was not dumb enough to go all the way with a girlfriend despite a strong desire to do so. There is something unique and especially deadly about sexual sin where even as a rebel I was, I knew not to go there in the depths of my soul. The risks of damage and was too great. And it is!
@@SaanichtonMinistries Thank you for your reply but it’s not my situation but I’m inquiring because someone I know is in this situation and oblivious. In my opinion, t never hurts to learn everything possible about a subject matter especially marriage when you’re a single person waiting to be married. My parents taught me nothing regarding marriage so there was a lot I didn’t know about marriage and there was little to no teaching on the subject matter in the church we attended. . I have no interest in playing football but I’d at least like to know the rules if I’m going to watch.
I believe the answer to question was yes! The one who married the divorcee, after they divorce, is free to marry again because the divorcee was never your true wife to begin with. But pray about it to seek truth from God & His word
Why is it ESSENTIAL that we preach gender neutral marriage permanence?? Let me tell you why!! My parents are in remarriage and have been for over 50’years!!! My dad is even a deacon in a church. I am an uncovenant child!!! When I tell my dad he is in sin, he says show me a verse showing that. When I try, he says, no that doesn’t say him or my mom because he is a man who didn’t divorce his wife (she cheated and divorced him) and the Bible only says men who divorce their wives are in sin. And he further says my mom is not mentioned since it doesn’t say a woman can’t marry a divorced man. (It says a man can’t marry a divorced woman.) He says this was all context and I’m off my rocker about this. He also says he wasn’t saved then and they didn’t even have children that were affected.( all of his children are with my mom). Sooo this is why I told him we must make it gender neutral now!!! We can’t allow it to still be unfair to women and unbalanced. He says that is changing the word of God. But he also believes in other exceptions to remarriage being sin. So when you see me pushing this with fervor, this is why!!! We must spread the word that there are some words we must ignore!!
Wow allot of info. It does not really have to be complex. There are many sanctimonious "Christians" out there living in divorce and remarriage adultery. It is no surprise, we live in a fallen world of sin. It sounds like your dad is trying to split hairs. Basically divorce is simply not legitimate in the NT of Christ who is the ultimate Bridegroom who would never divorce his Church! We take comfort in that! Matt 5:32 says even if you do this sin called divorce, you can cause the other to commit adultery! So you do not even have to do the act of adultery to be guilty of it! Wow the Lord raised the bar in this! We need to preserve it! As for pronouns, that is one lame argument. It is like saying Psalm 1 is only taking about me! Or widows being released from the bound was only talking about women. As a child of a divorced adulterated family, I would make peace as far is it be possible and never repeat the same mistake while repudiating this sin in and out of season. My brother is living in the same remarriage adultery. It is hard coming to terms and I can never pretend it is normal! It is hard, but we look forward to the day when there will be no more sin. On that day with the Lord and a new body! Amen
We’ll see goes literally in the same way we still literally read the Old Testament without making that gender neutral He believes since it only says a man who divorces his wife causes her to commit adultery That it is literally only about a man who divorced his wife And he didn’t divorce his wife, she divorced him I say to make it all gender neutral to solve that But he says that is changing the word of God And that Jesus is only married to the church and not the world
He said when the Bible gives rules for men and women separately then that is what it means He says in those cases we can not apply a generic “human” or “person” to it but that marriage has always had marriage differences and if we change the New Testament verses we would need to change tthe Old Testament too
@@jesusislord3604 Hmm i have heard that before as well. The bottom line if God created man for monogamy. It is also important that it goes for believers and unbelievers. As I pointed out. Many unbelievers are too smart to get divorced and see the fallout, and devastation it brings. Some men say, "It is cheaper to keep her" Another total pagan unbeliever told me, "well you only get one chance at family Dave" Chuck Swindoll said some unbelievers could give Christians a lesson on marriage in some cases. I agree! Sad but true. While we always keep the peace. You parents are terrible example to other believers who's marriage is in trouble. They are living examples of the pro divorce tradition we are working against! There are among a very small minority who actually survive remarriage adultery. Some studies say upwards of 80% of remarriages divorces. The 20% show the 80% how great it is? God forbid! But kids of these situations are not at fault and can be used by God who is the Ultimate Judge! Happy Easter and the Grace and peace of Christ be with you.
My ex husband had a wife before me but he was “my first.” we are divorced now and I’ve recently been baptized. I’m confused on if our marriage was “honorable” (because he was married before me) or if “because we didn’t know” that is considered my first marriage...
That is a difficult case of divorce and remarriage adultery. And I am NOT judging you as I type these words. Some would argue you were in a polygamous relationship which there were cases in the OT Bible as we read. Therefore you are still bound to that husband who has had multiple wives. I lean to the understanding that again, Jesus raised the bar from the OT Mosaic Laws. He said a man “leaves his mother and father and clings to his wife.” He does not cling to his “wives” in the plural. So polygamy is a detour from God’s will and design. But given the x partner divorced and tried to remarry another wife, he actually committed adultery as the Lord taught. The woman that married a divorced man was merely playing the adulterous and pretending to be an authentic bride. The question could go even deeper. Was the x husbands other marriage even legitimate? The big question is such a woman not bound until death do they part if that previous remarriage was actually an adultery relationship? So it was a counterfeit marriage? Could she be forgiven of that sin and be unbound and perhaps even try for a proper marriage ?These are judgements I dare not get into and leave to God, but would cite. 1 Corr 7 where Paul urged people to remain single even as he was. He urged celibacy. This is especially so for those who were in difficult situations of past adulterated relationships. This is absolutely the safest bet. Be 100% dedicated to the Lord who has forgiven us our past adultery. Teach other young women to never make the same mistakes? Be blessed. With marriage and relationships you really get one chance to get it right. That is why our teaching on this subject is so important. God bless you and thank you for sharing sister.
if your husband had a wife, then you were not in a covenant relationship, but it was adultery.....so having had no covenant relationship you are free to marry...
@@SaanichtonMinistries brother in this case she is free to marry because she was not joined together because their marriage was in adultery..now she is divorced from him and is free from that adultery against the mans first wife..God never joined them together in the first place.
@@robertgivens9479 but polygamy is real, and was practiced. She could be considered one of his wives? King David had multiple wives, do you think a brother would dare marry one of them citing adultery? Good way to get himself killed. Don’t be dumb, never marry a divorced or non virgin woman is the basic rules of thumb as it were. You move in on another man’s woman, there are men that would shoot you as a result in our day and age even.
So I have a question: So as I mentioned before that I was maried before and my ex committed adultery. I dont know if I told you but my ex was divorced 2 times before I met him. After studying permance view I realized that I made an error in even marrying him . I asked a pastor if I could remarry and he said yes because my first married was adulterous. It was a sin. What do you think ? I have diligently studied scripture on this. My case is odd. What do you think of the pastor s response?
1corr 7 26I suppose therefore that this is good because of the present distress-that it is good for a man to remain as he is: This suggests that celibacy should be maintained because of the present distress, especially with marriage and questions and scenarios like the one you present. Safety is always the best choice. Marriage is tough enough even when 2 virgins get married, never mind one's with multiple partners. Present your body as a living sacrifice holy and acceptable to God. Grace and peace. I think the pastors advice was reckless
@@SaanichtonMinistries Thats what I was thinking too. Something didnt sit right with my spirit with his answer. I mean in all respects I was legally married. I even made vows before God. I mean was my ex the wrong partner yes but I did enter into a marriage in all respects.
Thanks for the share. Your scenario proves a point that we teach and preach… divorce and remarriage adultery does not work. The X was married Twice before and still could not satisfy the yearning. Sin is never satisfied. So perhaps you can Join our cause in exposure/teaching concerning this lie the church buys into so often. Celibacy may have is downsides, but nothing compared to the stress and harm done in divorce and remarriage adultery and the lifelong implications it brings. The Bible says in Galatians that no one , who “practices” (IE goes on living it or supporting it) adultery will inherit the Kingdom of God. Celibacy is about damage control. At least you can repent, and sin no more in this scenario and live in peace.
@@SaanichtonMinistries well said. My friend and I were just talking about how rampant divorce and remarriage in the pentecostal church(used to attend). I definitely made an error. Now that I have studied scripture wow I realized how messed up things are in many churches. She and I aslo realized many churches dont even teach on Christ s teachings on marriage.
Here is a question for anyone who would like to comment on....my wife left me about 3 years ago so I am single. In this situation neither party can completely fulfill the requirements for marriage that is set out in scripture. How can a wife please her husband sexually or a man please his wife sexually when they are living apart? They can't so both parties are in default of their obligations before the Lord. Paul seems to be OK with this in that he says the woman who departs can either be reconciled to her husband OR she is to remain unmarried. In other words God seems to be completely OK with either choice..the woman can be reconciled to her husband or it's also Ok for her to remain unmarried and basically hold her husband hostage for the rest of her life if she pleases. By holding him hostage I mean he cannot marry someone else yet he may not be able to contain himself sexually. We can all quote the scriptures that we are to die to the flesh, however Paul also told believers if they cannot contain, they are to marry to avoid fornication. Why would he say 'if they can't contain,' if all they had to do was to just die to their fleshly desires? Because Jesus said not all men can do this. He didn't say, 'if they don't CHOOSE to contain themselves,' he said 'if they CANNOT contain themselves. So the SCRIPTURE says some men cannot contain themselves, yet the SCRIPTURE also says its OK for the woman to leave the man if she wants to. There seems to be a contradiction in this scripture where it says 'Let not the wife depart from her husband,' but then says it's ok if she wants to. It seems to me the 'remaining unmarried' option for believers can not apply if it leads either one into sexual sins. It would only seem to go back to the original premise, that if they cannot contain, then they are to marry, but of course he wouldn't be meaning to get married and then live apart, but rather to be married and live together, so they would avoid fornication.
Thank for the input. Your scenario I have seen before with a close friend of mine. No divorce, but long term separation. For a woman to leave a husband in this way is a sin. Because Paul said in context, “she is not to separate from her husband…” I will add more. God bless you and your wife. Win her back at all cost. “But if she does leave let her remains unmarried…” means for her to not commit adultery by getting married in that situation. “But if she does leave…” I believe that means for the most extreme circumstances of spousal abuse, neglect, violence, threats to her life, and so on. We agree there are rare and extreme circumstances where a wife should separate from a violent husband. Never divorce. So the husband should be charged to the full extent of the law if he did abuse her, but he should get help, anger management, and they should reconcile again. We talk about this in our video titled Anger and abuse. But some wife’s take that verse and throw it out of context as a free ticket to leave whenever the want for whatever reason they want.
I agree that it seems to be saying this is some kind of escape clause for desperate type situations but if the wife refuses to be reconciled then the end result is the same...this seems to be the unescapable conclusion. The husband is put in a position where he has no legitimate way out sexually. He cannot re-marry, and his wife refuses to come back. It seems to me if refusing to be reconciled is a sin, then she is living in sin and thus the scriptures would come into play concerning to take two or three witnesses and try to have her hear them concerning this fault of hers and if not then take it to the congregation. I don't feel right calling her an unbeliever but seemingly if she would not admit to this fault then according to what scripture is saying she would be considered an unbeliever, which of course would mean I was married to an unbeliever. The scriptures about a believer being married to an unbeliever seem to be pointing to their condition before one decides to leave rather than becoming an unbeliever after leaving but the principle might be the same in either situation...I don't want to appear to be looking for a way out of the marriage, but if she refuses to be reconciled it seems God cannot be honored in this situation any more than it could be right to tell people it would be better for them to burn with lust than to get married when this clause was specifically put in there for this very reason.
@@garyhicks2965 Concerning sexual drive, I would argue you would be better of as a eunuchs en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunuch rather than allow your sexuality to send you to hell. Jesus Teaches on Celibacy 11But He said to them, “All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given: 12For there are [c]eunuchs who were born thus from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it.” So men are NOT at the mercy of their sex drives. WE can be self controlled which is a fruit of the Spirit. Avoid porn like a fatal plague. I think the most harsh thing the man loses is not sex, but a partner and company. So loneliness. And God said, "it is NOT GOOD for the man to be alone." Of course the antidote to this is friends and family. I would go so far as to say that a man can even have female friends. BUT NEVER EVER get intimate or physical with such a female friend (no matter what her marital status is or is not) and avoid being alone with such, especially of you have sexual control issues. Try peace offerings to your wife in abundance. Gifts, letters, chocolates/flowers, music, "how can I help"... and make it clear to her that you will not marry any other woman, and that she is the life partner. Repent and say sorry for all wrongs you did and make peace AT ALL COST. The cliché,,," give her whatever she wants." Happy wife equals a happy life. "Love her as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for her is our orders" Ask her to a marriage conservative Christian counselling session where you can make a deal to eventually get her back into your bed and live happily ever after.
Could you please respond to what is meant by 'he that is able to receive it, let him receive it..? What would make a man not able to receive this? It also states "All men cannot accept this but only to those to whom it is given...' I don't quite know what that means... Could a man actually go through this process and yet it was not given to him to do so? Also I read that some men go through this procedure and still have sex drive...I also would like your comments on if a man have a spouse that does not believe, and its relation to a person not being corrected being treated like as an unbeliever...The scripture states "If a man have a spouse that believes not," not necessarily one that was originally married to an unbeliever...I had thought maybe because if they were both believers at the time then it would mean that God had joined them together and man could not put it asunder, but Paul does not seem to be addressing it that way particularly but rather just says 'If any brother hath a wife that believes not...' do you think it would apply if the wife subsequently became an unbeliever after she left her husband?
There seems to be a problem connecting the situation of Mary and Joseph to the 'except for the cause of fornication' statement by Jesus. The attempt to make this what Jesus is referring to would mean that Mary and Joseph were not truly married yet because of the phrase that she was only 'espoused' to Joseph and it was not until they came together after the angel visited Mary that they were truly considered husband and wife. This seems to be whole basis for saying Jesus used the word 'fornication' instead of 'adultery' because 'fornication' has been defined in dictionaries to mean 'sexual intercourse between people not married to each other,' which would fit wonderfully within the Mary and Joseph story IF they truly were not considered husband and wife until they had come together. But the scripture plainly states Joseph was the husband of Mary when the angel visited her before they came together...As it states in Matthew 1:18 - 19 states "....when as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost...Then Joseph HER HUSBAND, being a just man and not willing to make her a public example was minded to PUT HER AWAY privately..." So two things here. Scripture specifically calls Joseph her husband and it also specifically states he was minded to put her away, meaning he was going to divorce her because it appeared to him that she had been unfaithful to him. There would be no reason to say he was going to 'put her away' if he was not truly married to her, nor would the scripture call Joseph her husband if they were not truly married. There is another thing to think about here concerning what Jesus said. He said 'Whosoever shall put away HIS WIFE, saving for the cause of fornication...' Notice it does not say he is putting away someone who was NOT his wife yet, but plainly states the man he is talking about was going to put away his WIFE, not his 'to be wife' later after they have had sexual intercourse. We have the two same things being said here...One is he is PUTTING AWAY his wife, meaning he is divorcing his wife, meaning they were MARRIED, and also it says specifically he is PUTTING HER AWAY, which you can not put someone away if you don't have her yet. What this seems to be saying to is the 'exception clause' is perfectly in tact with Mary and Joseph. They were considered husband and wife and God would have allowed him to go ahead and put her away if he had not found out she truly was innocent. The same thing would apply to Deut 24...the question was not about whether they had a legitimate right to divorce because they were not yet married, but rather the debate was about what was considered 'unclean.' How is it worded? "When a man HAS TAKEN A WIFE, AND MARRIED HER...and it come to pass he find some uncleanness in her...' Does this sound like they were not truly married yet? No of course not. It plainly states they were married. I am open to any comments anyone has...
When reading Matthew you must think like a Hebrew, not a Greek. After all it is the Jewish Gospel. If you knew how strong the contract of betrothal was for the Jew, you would perfectly understand why they could be called husband and wife even before the marriage feast too place. In Luke and Mark, there are no exemptions for fornication. Remember if the wife was not found to be a virgin at the wedding feast, she could be stoned or certainly “put away” justly. Greeks don’t get this, but Jews do. Few Bible students in the West get long genealogies. Hebrews get it. Family is critically important and cannot be adulterated. May we Christians, never seek to justify the human tragedy and vain sin of divorce and remarriage adultery plaguing our civilization today by b cherry picking verses.
this is the truth...im in agreement ..with you. blessings in your discernment brother.... So many churches are not in line with the word of God... many preachers are remarried and their first spouse is still alive...
@@Dundatta258 but if you have sny scriptures to back up your egotistical and liberal comments...ill be waiting for them...but i will not argue with you about it.. and be specific.please .
1timothy 3 1:5 a pastor must be blameless not blamed. Husband of one wife not 2. Kenneth Copland got married 3 times. He's living in adultery. He's blamed
brothrr saanichton will you please clarify the text in 1st Corinthians 7: 8 about the unmarried or widow better to marry than to burn.. the word "unmarried " means single . . right...?
Yes the unmarried in that verse is in context with the virgin brother who asked “was it good never to touch a woman,” or a virgin sister. If they long to marry, long to be fulfilled in that way, indeed Pursue a legitimate, unadulterated marriage. It can be done and is better than burning with passions and perhaps even sinful fantasies. There are so many unadulterated virgins out there, and they should marry before they burn with passion and get into full fledged fornication which will stain them for life. At 16 years strong in marriage, I can confirm it is challenging at times, and may even prove to be the fight of your life, but God can be your strength. When it settles and works, it is the best of things. Then best of blessings from God.
@@robertgivens9479 let’s pray for him.... he is in lots of trouble these days.... he also misinterpreted the Covid pandemic and caused a serious faction and reproach. Thank God for David Pawson, and John Piper who have the spine to stand up to this issue.
@@SaanichtonMinistries but john piper has reconciled his belief by saying that remarried couples should not divorce and to stay as they are.. whats your take on that. i was deeply broken by his remarks when i heard him preach that msg. I stopped listening to him..
@@robertgivens9479 at a certain time we need to figure out who has a Biblical message, and who does not....and avoid the one with no Biblical message...
Can somebody answer this question..If a woman is separated to her husband they used to be unbelievers before, but now the woman became a Born again pastor but is involved to an emotional affair with a divorced man..is this appropriate to entertain him every time the woman is availabke for chatting???
The Bible is clear, even thinking about it is a serious sin. We best not do that lest we face judgement. God can read your thoughts and if they are of adultery or fornicated again you can receive judgement. If one catches their mind wondering to think about another in adultery.... stop. Control your thoughts and resist sin... pray.
@@SaanichtonMinistries thank you for answering my question brother.. at least it is clear to me what infidelity is..Every time the woman is available for chatting the divorced man will always send her messages..
What if a husband wants to come back to his wife after adultery? What if she stood in the gap for her husband, and he wants to remarry her after he divorced her?
Try to look at it that divorce is SIN. Period. What we see in the NT is that it does not exist. Yeshua raised the bar. God only sees the original legitimate marital partners. Divorce is just a legalistic piece of vain paper. So the offended one must forgive, the adulterer/ adulteress must repent and sin no more. And yes the 2 original husband and wife must reconcile or stay celibate.
Hello, I'm not encouraging men to have more than one wife under the New testament, but didn't Jacob have two wives and two concubines? (Old testament of course). I don't know of a place in scripture where he was rebuked for this relationship situation. It seems to me that under the old testament more than one wife was permitted. Under the New testament it was permitted before you have heard the gospel, after you have heard the gospel you wouldn't be able to become an elder or a deacon if you had more than one wife. Also we don't see any instruction in the New testament to put out of the church people with more than one wife.
I think in the OT lots of things were permitted which are unthinkable today including the stoning of a son by the parents, who was a glutton and a drunkard at the gate of the city. One wife was the original design and will of God based on Genesis. In the OT when the Earth was being populated and so on, perhaps there was an exemption. Enoch was a godly man and I noticed he had wives. By this was a man from the first generations of human families. Most every polygamist got into trouble including David who was still unsatisfied and committed adultery with a married woman. Then his son Solomon I believe forfeited his salvation for his many wives. Abraham got into deadly serious trouble with Hagar of which we can still see the fallout to this day. Jacob got into trouble too. So any fair minded student of the Bible can conclude that multiple wives are NOT God's will. Adam and Eve. Not Adam Eve and Betty.... It just does not equal fruition. A couple in monogamy can have trouble as it is. Imagine a wife living with another wife in the same house with children? The comparison, jealousy, in-fighting, favoritism? So it is a forbidden fruit. At first glance, a man may seem to think it is a great idea. Like any sin, it is not true in the end. In the NT, this principle and understanding is a basic ABC of Christian behavior. It goes without saying. There is no Question that polygamy qualifies as NT "adultery" in the truest sense of the word which means much more than mere sexual activity. It waters down and stretches/taints God's true design and will for the nuclear family unit which is so blessed. IE adulteration/adulterated. Aside from the sexual act, this is the most destructive part. It is fair to conclude that polygamy is a lessor of the adulterated evils. IE a couple in adultery could be stoned to death under the law. You never marry a divorced woman/man or married man/woman. As for judgement of those in polygamy in the NT? I will leave that to God in Christ who examines all men. Galatians says those who practice adultery and greed shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.
Non believer Husband if he remerry a Non-believer woman after getting Devorced from 1st one. Now they came to be a believer of Christ both of them so what should that man have to do should he Devorce his Second Wife and look for reconciliation to his 1st wife who Adondond him.....
The other question is was even the first marriage legitimate? Or was it adulterated? The scenario you paint is one we have carefully considered. Just because you became a believer never nullifies your responsibility to your family you had in your past. This why we preach that for popular casual fornication and adultery are so dangerous among sins. Implications can be life long. The Christian life is not easy, it does require sacrifice and repenting from sin. Adulterated second marriages are not marriage, but counterfeit marriage. They are based on the words of Yeshua, who is the only Righteous Judge on this issue. Biblically, celibacy would be the correct course of action as we read in much of in 1 Corr 7. This way, the believe gets out of adultery, stops the cycle of divorce and remarriage adultery and dangers is poses, and can repent from sin of the past. Reconciliation with a legitimate first spouse would need extremely serious and careful reasoning and while not likely, could be possible.. The popular stance is the status quo... maintain the current marriage and cause not further damage. But Galatians says, those who practice adultery will have not inheritance in the Kingdom of God. So the believer must discern what is the priority? You own fulfillment in adultery, or your salvation? Look, I am not in remarriage adultery, and still I fear God and hell. Are you with me?
Can someone explain why Jesus agreed that the woman at the well did not have a husband? Did all 5 of her husband's die? Can you also explain why Romans 7:2 specifies "to the married woman". If she is still bound to her husband after divorce why specify? Can someone also explain why the pharisees in Matthew and mark specifically ask about putting away with a divorce certificate and jesus's answer only addresses putting away? Can you also explain why Paul says that a deserted spouse is no longer under bondage and uses a phrase that is common to the Greek divorce document? I ask these questions sincerely. I have been searching this topic alot and I honestly feel that people on both sides are getting this wrong but can't yet quantify how.
Thanks for your questions. I believe I answer them all in other video series. St Paul was a Jew, not a Greek. We need to think like a Hebrew. When Yeshua said that “He who divorces his wife causes her to commit adultery…” Is the most profound verse that testifies that Christ does not recognize divorce, or the vain certificate. On my videos, I tried to include the key verses in the title which address the Woman at the well who had “5 husbands” including one “who was not a husband.” The Lord was clearly being rhetorical in making his point to the Samaritan woman who had multiple past partners living in fornication as her current one in all likelihood. She thought this sin was secret, but the Lord is omniscient. If they were “real marriages” that would have been public knowledge. She would not have been so surprised that He knew. The passage also does not say that this woman was saved despite many commentators inference. It does not say she repented, nor thanked the Lord for salvation or worshipped him in the account. She left her water-pot and shared with others about the stranger who “knew all things..” Concerning 1 Corr 7:15 defiantly watch the video on that one. Bondage is referring to slavery, not a marriage bound which is until death do they part. So marriage is not slavery he says. If one wants to leave, you are not to restrain him or force yourself on him or her. You must access them the right to separate if that is what must happen for whatever reason. But Divorce is NOT under consideration here in the context. Separation NEVER nullifies a marriage bound even with an apparent unbeliever. He even says, “the unbeliever can be sanctified and saved by the proper behaviour of the believer! Perfectly clear. Yet for whatever reason, commentators inject a perverse interpretation into the unadulterated word of God. There will be judgement for that one day. Hope this helps, and God bless you for investigating this issue. There is an awakening to it all over the church and we are holding them to account
@@SaanichtonMinistries the word that is translated as divorce there is appoluo (the same word used whenever a crowd is sent away) where as when mentioning the divorce certificate apostacion is the word used (this word as far as I know is only used to reference a divorce certificate). So the pharisees asked why Moses commanded them to give apostacion when they appoluo. Jesus said that appoluo followed by marriage to another is adultery with no further mention of apostacion. Is it possible that Jesus is addressing why a divorce certificate was to be given to the woman in the deuteronomy case law (apostacion was to protect her from the label of adulteress. This document declares that she is free to marry another)? The woman at the well was more than likely surprised that Jesus knew about her past not because she kept it secret from all but because he was a stranger and a Jew. Jews didn't mix with Samaritan's well so who could have told him about her past? Other Samaritan's? She was surprised he even asked her for water. About her being saved I've seen speculation about Jesus meeting her at a well being a symbol (a nod to isacc and Rebekah) for her finally finding a true husband in Christ (which would also draw a parallel to the living water and not thirsting. Christ can do what the other 6 did not).
@@SaanichtonMinistries another interesting thing to mention.... When god sent away Israel (Hebrew (shil·lach·ti·ha) just like Greek (appoluo)) both in Jeremiah and Isiah the wording is nearly identical to Deuteronomy 24 case law (inclusion of Hebrew (keritut) just like Greek (apostacion)) meaning god gave Israel a certificate of divorce as well as sending Israel away. In Malachi 2:16 there is mention of shil·lach·ti·ha (appoluo) with no mention of keritut (apostacion) which parallels Jesus in the gospels saying that apolluo (shil·lach·ti·ha) with no mention of apostacion (keritut) followed by marrying another is adultery. Jesus seems to be doing two things here... 1: explaining why "any cause" divorce is wrong 2: explaining why Moses commanded a certificate of divorce be given (without it the wife is an adulteress. The Jewish divorce certificate gave express permission to remarry). Maybe this is why the Matthew exception isn't in the other gospels along with the fact that gentiles wouldn't understand porneia anyways (porneia in Hebrew is ervah which is defined in Leviticus 18). Malachi says that the man sending away (with no mention of a certificate) is dealing treacherously and covering himself with violence... Jesus uses strange speech to say that a husband sending away (with no mention of a certificate) causes adultery to be committed against the wife. Both the pharisees and the men in Malachi seem to be abandoning their wives (with no grounds or for "any cause") specifically to remarry more attractive wives. It is obvious why this would be angering to god. The only place in scripture I can find where putting away without a certificate is not spoken harshly about is in Ezra 10 where the word for put away is actually lə·hō·w·ṣî which is translated everywhere else in scripture as "bringing forth" instead of sending away. I can't find a single place where apostacion or keritut is spoken about negatively. Both mean divorce where their counterparts mean send away.
@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s do you have a potentially more edifying response that might address my confusion? I'm happily single so don't think I'm trying to comfort myself. When I see things dividing the body I research them to see what is right. I have many people who have looked to me for advice on various topics and I don't want to get the important parts wrong. I thought that having an intelligent discussion with someone while sighting opposing views would be edifying. Your response doesn't help anyone. There are alot of people in the faith on both sides of this. Discussion is how we get to the bottom of it, much like in acts when it was decided what the gentile believers should abstain from.
Wait, WHAT? You said there is no commandment for widows to get remarried? That’s not true - “But refuse the younger widows; for when they have begun to grow wanton against Christ, they desire to marry, having condemnation because they have cast off their first faith. And besides they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house, and not only idle but also gossips and busybodies, saying things which they ought not. Therefore I desire that the younger widows 👉👉👉marry, bear children, manage the house, give no opportunity to the adversary to speak reproachfully. For some have already turned aside after Satan.” I Timothy 5:11-15 NKJV
So why does Paul command the young widows to get married because essentially they will grow wanton against Christ and essentially fall away from the faith, but yet young women left by their husbands have to stay single? This doesn’t make sense. So is Paul ok with young women falling away from the faith because they can’t get married because their husbands left, but NOT ok with widows falling away from the faith?
@@abideintheWord you did not hear me correctly. I was referring to women/wife even young women who had a husband “depart” Not a widow in that line. I agree younger widows are urged to remarry and that is not a sin if it is in the Lord.
@@abideintheWord a woman and wife who is single because a husband left can not get married. She should not fall away from the faith in this situation. She does not have to. She can be self controlled and wait patiently for reconciliation. She must lean on the Lord and Trust in the Lord with all contentment. Hell is the option and alternative to the compulsive woman who opts for adultery with some other man.
My story for those who haven’t heard yet: I think many know part of mine. I was raised in a fake Christian home but didn’t know it at the time. My parents are remarriage adulterers and have been all my life. I am an uncovenant child. My father has a living first wife but she had left him at a young age and then he got saved later and “married “ my mom. Saying that the equal yoke makes the marriage since his first unsaved wife departed even before he believed, he likes to assume the bondage to her as his covenant spouse is broken. He’s been a deacon in the church all my life. My parents act all holy but now I know the truth. I at first thought like them so as you know I “married” a woman who like my dad had a first hubby who left her, never had kids and she was unsaved then. So we “married” and had 5 uncovenant kids. One day a lovely new secretary came to the church and caught my eye. I felt guilty until I realized my “wife” was not my own! Blessed indeed to be freed from that awful union and now in covenant marriage with the secretary Tally! Though the churches and my parents side with my fake ex and support her stand for my return since they all believe professing Christians need to keep their “marriages” even if they had a living spouse before they were saved that left them! They like to claim this is how the Bible is and how God makes covenants and that he only allows a believer with an unbeliever in yoke one flesh as long as the unsaved stays in the marriage. Trying to get them all to see the true nature of covenant marriage, that God joins ALL first time or widowed marriages of a born man and woman, happily and until death! The bond, the binds, the bondage stays for life even if both are satanists! Or one is a saint and one is a satanist! There is never any sin in covenant marriage. It is never to be repented of. #remarriage #divorce #remarriageadultery #remarriageisadultery facebook.com/tally.wran.9
Interested question. I think if a "marriage" is done in private it leaves too much room for scandal and sin. Marriage should be public with all sides of the families invited. Just as we would not do baptism in private, so marriage should not be done in private. Marriage is a public declaration before both the world and the chruch, that you are bound to the man or woman till death do you part. It is a celebration. You do not do a marriage in secret unless you are ashamed or covering up something? There again, marraige does not have to be a big huge. costly spectacle. How God would see the union? I will leave that to God to answer! For those consummated before marriage, it is sin which can be forgiven or course they should stay together trusted they are not committing adultery against some other X partner which is so often the case! Couples in fornication can be seen as husband and wife in a legal or figurative sense none the less. IE if you have children, and assets, you could still be under court supervision and order for money division and so on in the event of a separation, just as a legally married couple. Hope that helps!
@@vegasveteran6308 my gf is in a sham marriage. The sham was to get him in the country he has a second wife in another country and a child here from another woman and none from my gf they were married in a mosque under allah so do God consider that a marriage just like if someone married someone in the name of satan in a satanic church is that considered a marriage in God's eyes i am so confused by my situation and i dont know what to do but i know i need to repent from fornicating thats why i am willing to marry her to get this sin behind me please your advise is appreciated.
@@vegasveteran6308 You are also wrong Clint. Read Deuteronomy 28:1-3. ( correction it is Duet 24 ) Also God does say divorce is ok in the case of adultery.
@SaanichtonMinistries also be clear who Jesus sets free is free indeed...you are not a believer untill you are born again...that's why paul says as you were untill you are cleansed...he says to believe in the gospels..show where it says for anyone to divorce..it does say to stay where you are found if married stay married...
@@robertstutler6229 you believe? You do well… the devil and demons believe too. Salvation belongs to those who obey and work it out with fear and trembling, not live for the flesh or make excuses to commit adultery. If you practice adultery you are going to hell. Never are we to think more highly of ourselves than we ought. Believe all you want! If you work iniquity you have no place in the Kingdom. And you will fall short of the grace of God.
So your saying paul is a liar...and you do not believe that christ paid for your sin...just remember you are justified by faith not of works so that no man can boast...anyone who does not believe christ died for there sin will die in there sin...remember paul messenger of god...says if you are found married stay married..
@@robertstutler6229 Paul is the one who said if we practice sin, we do not inherit the Kingdom. He warned Christians in Galatia about it. It is a balance. No we are no saved by good works, but we are saved from sin and love the truth. Love rejoices in the truth, not remarriage adultery or a lie from hell. I am truly sorry for the millions who live in it and am thankful by the grace of God I was delivered from it myself!
Pastor you are partially right but overall you are wrong. Please read Deuteronomy 24:1-3, and teach this properly. Like you said, It matters what the Bible says.
I am aware of Det 24 1-3, but believe the OT Mosaic Law are not at all applicable to us. IF you skip back a few pages in Det, you will see commandments to Stone your children who are drunkards and gluttons. Would you assert because the bible says that, this is the parenting standard for today? It is the same with the "eye for eye, tooth for tooth. I have written about this in my book and covered it. What then? Shall we say, "divorce for divorce? adultery for adultery?" God forbid! Jesus has raised the standards in the New Covenant. There should be no such thing as divorce in the NT church. In the pagan world, yes it should be found along with fornication, and other manner of evil. Let us never dredge up Mosaic laws of the OT and insert them into the new as if they over ride the teaches of the Lord Jesus on this.
@@SaanichtonMinistries So you dont think people should divorce due to infidelity? And if they do divorce for that reason do you believe they must remain single? Why should the good spouse be punished for the sins of the adulterer? Jesus said, Don't think that I have come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I have not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till Heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled. Whoever therefore shall break one of the least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called least in the kingdom of Heaven: but whoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of Heaven.
you Are so wrong it so much for me to type so please click this link Jesus said don’t follow what Deuteronomy permitted under Moses because the harness of their heart Jesus explain to the Pharisees they are one flesh no longer two . Jesus said BUT I Tell you if you marry another you commit adultery I did a video in response to someone who miss used scripture ruclips.net/user/edit?o=U&video_id=sy3EXTHINVQ&ar=1581907034012
@@theprophetez1357 No. People should not and according to Jesus CANNOT divorce due to adultery/infidelity. Mark 10:2-12, and Matthew 19:5-6 are clear on this. 1 Corinthians 7:10-11;39 and Romans 7:2-3 also confirm it. Marriage is a LIFELONG Covenant
@Cece V I judge No one. Your accusations are false and baseless. I merely point to the Word of God and people condemn themselves when they dishonor and disobey it. I or anyone else has nothing to do with their condemnation. Repeat: They condemn themselves. No amount of lies or Bible gymnastics will change God's Holy Word on this matter. It's up to each individual to decide if they're going to OBEY it and humble themselves Or not. ✝️
Mans reasoning cannot change Gods commandments. It is adultery according to the real word of God to remarry while the husband lives. Paul stated the same thing.
Paul is talking about the law of marriage. If a woman leaves her husband and is with another man of course she is an adulterer.
The whole basis of this false doctrine is Mathew 19 that has both to do with divorce but sending away your woman which is not divorce. The original Greek word is send away. Not divorce Further more. The biblical definition of divorce is a man taking another man’s woman. A single man can commit adultery but a single woman can not. According to the scripture. This is a false destructive legalistic teaching. It comes straight from the devil himself
I live in this condition now, it's heart breaking 😭😭😭
Thank you for clear teaching and explanation!
God bless you sister.
I really liked when you mentioned remarriage cannot satisfy discontented human heart
That part word discontented really resonated with me.
Thank you!
Me too sister, God must be enough.
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Yep - its true, I have seen this issue played out over the years with my own family and others with the same situation where no matter what happens after the 'divorce' the original partners very often still interact together like their still married in a sense as the truth shows - they are...
There is nothing complicated about the original Greek text. Some people want to intentionally muddy the waters, and complicate things to fit their narrative, and to prop up their pet doctrines. Look at the original Greek: "μὴ mē (except) ἐπὶ epi (for) πορνείᾳ porneia (sexual immorality)," or in English, "except it be for immorality." Why complicate things?
Good teaching the true word of God
Under many circumstances adultery is committed when remarrying after divorce; however, too many questions are unanswered? A remarraige is not always adultery.
Do you all even stop to think one could be spiritually dead; which is worse than a physical death?
Also, does not commiting sexual sin in a marriage break a covenant between the offending and innocent parties? Did not Jesus say if you divorce due to adultery you have committed no sin?
Did not Paul tell us in Roman we are not under the law?
Did not scripture say a believing spouse is not bound if an unbelieving spouse leaves?
If you only get 1 chance at a marriage and family how does a widow get to remarry? By this stance a wide cannot even remarry.
We have to be careful f when we speak in absolute terms about scripture when God is so great we cannot put him in a box. God can do as He pleases including allowing a divorce person to remarry if that is His will for that person's life. We do not now how God is moving so therefore when we judge as the bible says let it be righteous judgement.
Thanks for your comment. We address all of these issues including the false interpretation of "exemption clauses" if the unbelievers leaves. 1 Corr 7 is only in the context of separation, NOT divorce. Widows are the only ones allowed to get remarried without being in adultery. Yeshua address the controversial issue and said it how it was. He who divorces and remarries commits adultery and he who marries her that is divorced commits adultery. Even one who simply divorces can "force his wife to commit adultery" This proves that divorce is always associated with sin. Monogamy is God's will under any condition, including living with an unbeliever. You may save his soul if you endure and forgive. NEVER divorce. It is totally illegal and immoral in the eyes of God
@@SaanichtonMinistries Thank you for your perspective and your response on this divisive subject. I did listen to your video. If I asked questions about what you have already answered I am thinking out loud and taking your interpretation of what you have said under consideration. I have studied this topic for a while and it is highly contentious. Many ministers have different interpretations on this matter. So what do we say to those who
truly confused about who to listen to when viewpoints dont align? I agree with some points you made, but I also question your interpretation on other points made on this contentious subject.
In the old testament we see where the Jews were forced by God to divorce their foreign spouses. Ezra 10
We also see where God (The same God who hates divorce) sought to divorce Isreal due to being angry with Israel for committing adultery, but later stated He would not continue to be angry with them for their sin, but would reconcile with them. Jeremiah 3:6-25.
I have studied Corinthians concerning marriage and divorce, I have also studied other books of the bible such as Matthews, Mark, Romans etc. concerning marriage and divorce.
Ultimately we should seek to use the tools God has given us as Christians to avoid divorce (praying, fasting, forgiveness, compassion, seeking of ministers for help, etc.) and reconcile with our spouses.
However, if someone's life is in danger due to physical abuse or they are being threatened, their biggest concern should staying safe and seeking God for guidance. No doubt many good men and women have been killed after being convinced they cannot divorce a spouse because it is considered sin and because God hates a divorce. I don't question how loving God is. But I wonder if others truly would think that God would rather see someone die from abuse in a marriage rather than divorced from the abuser.
What to do we say to those being tortured by demonic spirits, due to being married to someone who is spiritually dead, by this I mean someone like Pharoah who will not change (we saw how this ended)?
I would encourage each and every believer to seek God and the Holy Spirit concerning their own personal circumstances in regards to divorcing. God can and will give you an answer pertaining to your circumstances. Sometimes it's not the answer we want, but it will always be the answer we need, because of we are obedient we are in His will.
Generally speaking (not addressing your ministry) sometimes man's interpretation of the Word can become a stumbling block and hindrance for someone who really needs God under difficult circumstances.
@@Missmewbs if someone is in an abusive relationship Paul does say she may depart but she must remain unmarried
@@barefootdgypsy3233 Actually Paul did not speak on abuse at all. As a result you must understand the God we serve. I am pro marriage, but I do not believe God would be angry with someone who separated or divorced a spouse due to abuse, especially if it comes down to someone being killed if they stayed with the abuser.
Even David had a covenant over his life from God that he would inherent the throne, but had to flee for his life because Saul tried to kill him.
I hope you are not a person who would tell someone to stay in an abusive marriage. Abuse is a violation of the marriage covenant, because the abuser is being disobedient to God. This gives the person being abuse a right to at the very least separate for safety, but when they are safe they should go to God in prayer and allow the Holy Spirit to lead them as to how to resolve the matter. Sometimes that means reconciliation after a period of time. Sometimes it may mean divorce.
@@Missmewbs Paul spoke on if a woman divorced for whatever reason she is to remain unmarried. We can not speak on behalf of God. If he doesn’t say it in scripture we can not assume he feels a certain way.
This video answered every question I had. God bless you for teaching truth...
Wow! Noticing the date this video was uploaded - the same week my ex-husband filed for divorce. He abandoned the kids and I, and has since been with multiple women. He is like Gomer from Hosea, but claims to be a christian and feels he is "free" to do whatever he wants now that he's divorced.
Keep praying and searching the scriptures as we long to be fed, satisfied in Him and content
If my first husband died while I'm married to my second husband; what's my state in that situation? @@SaanichtonMinistries
That was an excellent video. The truth of God's word. What is most disturbing, is that this is never mentioned in Christian churches. The pastors today are afraid to discuss this subject.
If you preach that remarriage is adultry from the pulpit. There would be an exodus. As the church no longer believes or teaches biblical doctrine on this. May God forgive that his church abandoned his word and his teachings.
@@brianwest8803 This is one of the reasons that people have lost respect for many of the mainline Protestant churches.
If a man or woman who has never been married, marries a divorcee, if they divorce, can the single person marry another single person who hasn’t ever been married and it be considered a covenant marriage?
That is the question of questions. Note the Jewish order... "The bride must be a virgin" So no matter what the problem, even fornication, it was a deal breaker if she was not a virgin. Period. I myself would not marry a bride who was not a virgin. That is just me preference, especially given the large amount of virgins out there.
But your question is, "can you marry a divorce case who was not in a legitimate marriage to begin with?" So the person married into adultery, then perhaps got out? Maybe repented if their sin... My question is, why would you want to ask that question? Why would you want to get yourself into a position where that question must be asked or considered. Is that wise?
At that point you are dealing with state law and legal law, which is still a law, even if it is not recognized by God. IE the divorce case must still deal with court proceedings, child custody issues, fiscal issues and so on. We are told to respect legal authority. Adulterated marriage is legit in our country and culture.
So you are a Single Christian believer, why would you even think about marring a partner who was in an adulterated or fornicated relationship? If you marry a divorced woman, it is adultery, no matter what the cause. IE polygamy, adultery, cohabitation...
As we discussed, I would rather be single that get myself into somone else's mess and adultery. I do not care how attractive they are, how they say they are sorry and have repented and been forgiven, how adulterated the previous sexual relationship was or whatever other excuse. So virgin or bust! No exceptions!
One hard question would be, a fully devout Christian woman now say 30, had just one sexual encounter in her high-school years after drinking at a party. She repented, thereafter and was chaste ever since. She also since had no contact with that one night affair since. Would she be a pass to a groom to be? Yea or nay?
In my judgement she would be a nay, not because I am not gracious, but because there are 10 more beautiful virgins waiting for a chance to marry as well. The girl made a mistake, and the cost was high.
In Jewish law, if a young woman was found not to be a virgin at the wedding feast, she could be tried and stoned to death. That is how serious it was and is!
So do not play with fire on this one, do not test Jesus Christ on the issue. If you made a mistake, crossed the line, fornicated/got into adultery, stay celibate, practice sexual purity for the rest of your life in self-control. This is by far the safest position.
Marriage is hard even as 2 virgins get together, never mind divorce cases and adulterated families. Don't do it. Don't trade your salvation for adultery and fornication.
I did many stupid foolish things in my youth, but was not dumb enough to go all the way with a girlfriend despite a strong desire to do so. There is something unique and especially deadly about sexual sin where even as a rebel I was, I knew not to go there in the depths of my soul. The risks of damage and was too great. And it is!
@@SaanichtonMinistries Thank you for your reply but it’s not my situation but I’m inquiring because someone I know is in this situation and oblivious. In my opinion, t never hurts to learn everything possible about a subject matter especially marriage when you’re a single person waiting to be married. My parents taught me nothing regarding marriage so there was a lot I didn’t know about marriage and there was little to no teaching on the subject matter in the church we attended. . I have no interest in playing football but I’d at least like to know the rules if I’m going to watch.
I believe the answer to question was yes! The one who married the divorcee, after they divorce, is free to marry again because the divorcee was never your true wife to begin with. But pray about it to seek truth from God & His word
Why is it ESSENTIAL that we preach gender neutral marriage permanence??
Let me tell you why!!
My parents are in remarriage and have been for over 50’years!!! My dad is even a deacon in a church. I am an uncovenant child!!! When I tell my dad he is in sin, he says show me a verse showing that. When I try, he says, no that doesn’t say him or my mom because he is a man who didn’t divorce his wife (she cheated and divorced him) and the Bible only says men who divorce their wives are in sin. And he further says my mom is not mentioned since it doesn’t say a woman can’t marry a divorced man. (It says a man can’t marry a divorced woman.) He says this was all context and I’m off my rocker about this. He also says he wasn’t saved then and they didn’t even have children that were affected.( all of his children are with my mom).
Sooo this is why I told him we must make it gender neutral now!!! We can’t allow it to still be unfair to women and unbalanced. He says that is changing the word of God. But he also believes in other exceptions to remarriage being sin.
So when you see me pushing this with fervor, this is why!!!
We must spread the word that there are some words we must ignore!!
Wow allot of info. It does not really have to be complex. There are many sanctimonious "Christians" out there living in divorce and remarriage adultery. It is no surprise, we live in a fallen world of sin. It sounds like your dad is trying to split hairs. Basically divorce is simply not legitimate in the NT of Christ who is the ultimate Bridegroom who would never divorce his Church! We take comfort in that! Matt 5:32 says even if you do this sin called divorce, you can cause the other to commit adultery! So you do not even have to do the act of adultery to be guilty of it! Wow the Lord raised the bar in this! We need to preserve it! As for pronouns, that is one lame argument. It is like saying Psalm 1 is only taking about me! Or widows being released from the bound was only talking about women. As a child of a divorced adulterated family, I would make peace as far is it be possible and never repeat the same mistake while repudiating this sin in and out of season. My brother is living in the same remarriage adultery. It is hard coming to terms and I can never pretend it is normal! It is hard, but we look forward to the day when there will be no more sin. On that day with the Lord and a new body! Amen
We’ll see goes literally in the same way we still literally read the Old Testament without making that gender neutral
He believes since it only says a man who divorces his wife causes her to commit adultery
That it is literally only about a man who divorced his wife
And he didn’t divorce his wife, she divorced him
I say to make it all gender neutral to solve that
But he says that is changing the word of God
And that Jesus is only married to the church and not the world
He said when the Bible gives rules for men and women separately then that is what it means
He says in those cases we can not apply a generic “human” or “person” to it but that marriage has always had marriage differences and if we change the New Testament verses we would need to change tthe Old Testament too
Yes he says Paul only mentions women being bound
Because that was the law
@@jesusislord3604 Hmm i have heard that before as well. The bottom line if God created man for monogamy. It is also important that it goes for believers and unbelievers. As I pointed out. Many unbelievers are too smart to get divorced and see the fallout, and devastation it brings. Some men say, "It is cheaper to keep her" Another total pagan unbeliever told me, "well you only get one chance at family Dave" Chuck Swindoll said some unbelievers could give Christians a lesson on marriage in some cases. I agree! Sad but true. While we always keep the peace. You parents are terrible example to other believers who's marriage is in trouble. They are living examples of the pro divorce tradition we are working against! There are among a very small minority who actually survive remarriage adultery. Some studies say upwards of 80% of remarriages divorces. The 20% show the 80% how great it is? God forbid! But kids of these situations are not at fault and can be used by God who is the Ultimate Judge! Happy Easter and the Grace and peace of Christ be with you.
My ex husband had a wife before me but he was “my first.” we are divorced now and I’ve recently been baptized. I’m confused on if our marriage was “honorable” (because he was married before me) or if “because we didn’t know” that is considered my first marriage...
That is a difficult case of divorce and remarriage adultery. And I am NOT judging you as I type these words. Some would argue you were in a polygamous relationship which there were cases in the OT Bible as we read. Therefore you are still bound to that husband who has had multiple wives. I lean to the understanding that again, Jesus raised the bar from the OT Mosaic Laws. He said a man “leaves his mother and father and clings to his wife.” He does not cling to his “wives” in the plural. So polygamy is a detour from God’s will and design. But given the x partner divorced and tried to remarry another wife, he actually committed adultery as the Lord taught. The woman that married a divorced man was merely playing the adulterous and pretending to be an authentic bride. The question could go even deeper. Was the x husbands other marriage even legitimate? The big question is such a woman not bound until death do they part if that previous remarriage was actually an adultery relationship? So it was a counterfeit marriage? Could she be forgiven of that sin and be unbound and perhaps even try for a proper marriage ?These are judgements I dare not get into and leave to God, but would cite. 1 Corr 7 where Paul urged people to remain single even as he was. He urged celibacy. This is especially so for those who were in difficult situations of past adulterated relationships. This is absolutely the safest bet. Be 100% dedicated to the Lord who has forgiven us our past adultery. Teach other young women to never make the same mistakes? Be blessed. With marriage and relationships you really get one chance to get it right. That is why our teaching on this subject is so important. God bless you and thank you for sharing sister.
if your husband had a wife, then you were not in a covenant relationship, but it was adultery.....so having had no covenant relationship you are free to marry...
@@philipbuckley759 yes i agree that she is free to marry...
@@SaanichtonMinistries brother in this case she is free to marry because she was not joined together because their marriage was in adultery..now she is divorced from him and is free from that adultery against the mans first wife..God never joined them together in the first place.
@@robertgivens9479 but polygamy is real, and was practiced. She could be considered one of his wives? King David had multiple wives, do you think a brother would dare marry one of them citing adultery? Good way to get himself killed. Don’t be dumb, never marry a divorced or non virgin woman is the basic rules of thumb as it were. You move in on another man’s woman, there are men that would shoot you as a result in our day and age even.
So I have a question: So as I mentioned before that I was maried before and my ex committed adultery. I dont know if I told you but my ex was divorced 2 times before I met him. After studying permance view I realized that I made an error in even marrying him . I asked a pastor if I could remarry and he said yes because my first married was adulterous. It was a sin.
What do you think ? I have diligently studied scripture on this. My case is odd. What do you think of the pastor s response?
1corr 7 26I suppose therefore that this is good because of the present distress-that it is good for a man to remain as he is:
This suggests that celibacy should be maintained because of the present distress, especially with marriage and questions and scenarios like the one you present. Safety is always the best choice. Marriage is tough enough even when 2 virgins get married, never mind one's with multiple partners. Present your body as a living sacrifice holy and acceptable to God. Grace and peace.
I think the pastors advice was reckless
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Thats what I was thinking too. Something didnt sit right with my spirit with his answer. I mean in all respects I was legally married. I even made vows before God. I mean was my ex the wrong partner yes but I did enter into a marriage in all respects.
Thanks for the share. Your scenario proves a point that we teach and preach… divorce and remarriage adultery does not work. The X was married Twice before and still could not satisfy the yearning. Sin is never satisfied. So perhaps you can Join our cause in exposure/teaching concerning this lie the church buys into so often. Celibacy may have is downsides, but nothing compared to the stress and harm done in divorce and remarriage adultery and the lifelong implications it brings. The Bible says in Galatians that no one , who “practices” (IE goes on living it or supporting it) adultery will inherit the Kingdom of God. Celibacy is about damage control. At least you can repent, and sin no more in this scenario and live in peace.
@@SaanichtonMinistries well said. My friend and I were just talking about how rampant divorce and remarriage in the pentecostal church(used to attend). I definitely made an error. Now that I have studied scripture wow I realized how messed up things are in many churches. She and I aslo realized many churches dont even teach on Christ s teachings on marriage.
Here is a question for anyone who would like to comment on....my wife left me about 3 years ago so I am single. In this situation neither party can completely fulfill the requirements for marriage that is set out in scripture. How can a wife please her husband sexually or a man please his wife sexually when they are living apart? They can't so both parties are in default of their obligations before the Lord. Paul seems to be OK with this in that he says the woman who departs can either be reconciled to her husband OR she is to remain unmarried. In other words God seems to be completely OK with either choice..the woman can be reconciled to her husband or it's also Ok for her to remain unmarried and basically hold her husband hostage for the rest of her life if she pleases. By holding him hostage I mean he cannot marry someone else yet he may not be able to contain himself sexually. We can all quote the scriptures that we are to die to the flesh, however Paul also told believers if they cannot contain, they are to marry to avoid fornication. Why would he say 'if they can't contain,' if all they had to do was to just die to their fleshly desires? Because Jesus said not all men can do this. He didn't say, 'if they don't CHOOSE to contain themselves,' he said 'if they CANNOT contain themselves. So the SCRIPTURE says some men cannot contain themselves, yet the SCRIPTURE also says its OK for the woman to leave the man if she wants to. There seems to be a contradiction in this scripture where it says 'Let not the wife depart from her husband,' but then says it's ok if she wants to. It seems to me the 'remaining unmarried' option for believers can not apply if it leads either one into sexual sins. It would only seem to go back to the original premise, that if they cannot contain, then they are to marry, but of course he wouldn't be meaning to get married and then live apart, but rather to be married and live together, so they would avoid fornication.
Thank for the input. Your scenario I have seen before with a close friend of mine. No divorce, but long term separation. For a woman to leave a husband in this way is a sin. Because Paul said in context, “she is not to separate from her husband…” I will add more. God bless you and your wife. Win her back at all cost. “But if she does leave let her remains unmarried…” means for her to not commit adultery by getting married in that situation. “But if she does leave…” I believe that means for the most extreme circumstances of spousal abuse, neglect, violence, threats to her life, and so on. We agree there are rare and extreme circumstances where a wife should separate from a violent husband. Never divorce. So the husband should be charged to the full extent of the law if he did abuse her, but he should get help, anger management, and they should reconcile again. We talk about this in our video titled Anger and abuse. But some wife’s take that verse and throw it out of context as a free ticket to leave whenever the want for whatever reason they want.
I agree that it seems to be saying this is some kind of escape clause for desperate type situations but if the wife refuses to be reconciled then the end result is the same...this seems to be the unescapable conclusion. The husband is put in a position where he has no legitimate way out sexually. He cannot re-marry, and his wife refuses to come back. It seems to me if refusing to be reconciled is a sin, then she is living in sin and thus the scriptures would come into play concerning to take two or three witnesses and try to have her hear them concerning this fault of hers and if not then take it to the congregation. I don't feel right calling her an unbeliever but seemingly if she would not admit to this fault then according to what scripture is saying she would be considered an unbeliever, which of course would mean I was married to an unbeliever. The scriptures about a believer being married to an unbeliever seem to be pointing to their condition before one decides to leave rather than becoming an unbeliever after leaving but the principle might be the same in either situation...I don't want to appear to be looking for a way out of the marriage, but if she refuses to be reconciled it seems God cannot be honored in this situation any more than it could be right to tell people it would be better for them to burn with lust than to get married when this clause was specifically put in there for this very reason.
@@garyhicks2965 Concerning sexual drive, I would argue you would be better of as a eunuchs en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunuch rather than allow your sexuality to send you to hell. Jesus Teaches on Celibacy
11But He said to them, “All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given: 12For there are [c]eunuchs who were born thus from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it.”
So men are NOT at the mercy of their sex drives. WE can be self controlled which is a fruit of the Spirit. Avoid porn like a fatal plague.
I think the most harsh thing the man loses is not sex, but a partner and company. So loneliness. And God said, "it is NOT GOOD for the man to be alone." Of course the antidote to this is friends and family. I would go so far as to say that a man can even have female friends. BUT NEVER EVER get intimate or physical with such a female friend (no matter what her marital status is or is not) and avoid being alone with such, especially of you have sexual control issues.
Try peace offerings to your wife in abundance. Gifts, letters, chocolates/flowers, music, "how can I help"... and make it clear to her that you will not marry any other woman, and that she is the life partner. Repent and say sorry for all wrongs you did and make peace AT ALL COST. The cliché,,," give her whatever she wants." Happy wife equals a happy life. "Love her as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for her is our orders"
Ask her to a marriage conservative Christian counselling session where you can make a deal to eventually get her back into your bed and live happily ever after.
Could you please respond to what is meant by 'he that is able to receive it, let him receive it..? What would make a man not able to receive this? It also states "All men cannot accept this but only to those to whom it is given...' I don't quite know what that means... Could a man actually go through this process and yet it was not given to him to do so? Also I read that some men go through this procedure and still have sex drive...I also would like your comments on if a man have a spouse that does not believe, and its relation to a person not being corrected being treated like as an unbeliever...The scripture states "If a man have a spouse that believes not," not necessarily one that was originally married to an unbeliever...I had thought maybe because if they were both believers at the time then it would mean that God had joined them together and man could not put it asunder, but Paul does not seem to be addressing it that way particularly but rather just says 'If any brother hath a wife that believes not...' do you think it would apply if the wife subsequently became an unbeliever after she left her husband?
You are right - the early church Christians were known as "once married" by the heathen around them as an insult...but that's how it was.
AMEN
I guess you translate Greek and Hebrew different than most teachers
There seems to be a problem connecting the situation of Mary and Joseph to the 'except for the cause of fornication' statement by Jesus. The attempt to make this what Jesus is referring to would mean that Mary and Joseph were not truly married yet because of the phrase that she was only 'espoused' to Joseph and it was not until they came together after the angel visited Mary that they were truly considered husband and wife.
This seems to be whole basis for saying Jesus used the word 'fornication' instead of 'adultery' because 'fornication' has been defined in dictionaries to mean 'sexual intercourse between people not married to each other,' which would fit wonderfully within the Mary and Joseph story IF they truly were not considered husband and wife until they had come together. But the scripture plainly states Joseph was the husband of Mary when the angel visited her before they came together...As it states in Matthew 1:18 - 19 states "....when as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost...Then Joseph HER HUSBAND, being a just man and not willing to make her a public example was minded to PUT HER AWAY privately..."
So two things here. Scripture specifically calls Joseph her husband and it also specifically states he was minded to put her away, meaning he was going to divorce her because it appeared to him that she had been unfaithful to him. There would be no reason to say he was going to 'put her away' if he was not truly married to her, nor would the scripture call Joseph her husband if they were not truly married.
There is another thing to think about here concerning what Jesus said. He said 'Whosoever shall put away HIS WIFE, saving for the cause of fornication...' Notice it does not say he is putting away someone who was NOT his wife yet, but plainly states the man he is talking about was going to put away his WIFE, not his 'to be wife' later after they have had sexual intercourse. We have the two same things being said here...One is he is PUTTING AWAY his wife, meaning he is divorcing his wife, meaning they were MARRIED, and also it says specifically he is PUTTING HER AWAY, which you can not put someone away if you don't have her yet.
What this seems to be saying to is the 'exception clause' is perfectly in tact with Mary and Joseph. They were considered husband and wife and God would have allowed him to go ahead and put her away if he had not found out she truly was innocent. The same thing would apply to Deut 24...the question was not about whether they had a legitimate right to divorce because they were not yet married, but rather the debate was about what was considered 'unclean.' How is it worded? "When a man HAS TAKEN A WIFE, AND MARRIED HER...and it come to pass he find some uncleanness in her...' Does this sound like they were not truly married yet? No of course not. It plainly states they were married. I am open to any comments anyone has...
When reading Matthew you must think like a Hebrew, not a Greek. After all it is the Jewish Gospel. If you knew how strong the contract of betrothal was for the Jew, you would perfectly understand why they could be called husband and wife even before the marriage feast too place. In Luke and Mark, there are no exemptions for fornication. Remember if the wife was not found to be a virgin at the wedding feast, she could be stoned or certainly “put away” justly. Greeks don’t get this, but Jews do. Few Bible students in the West get long genealogies. Hebrews get it. Family is critically important and cannot be adulterated.
May we Christians, never seek to justify the human tragedy and vain sin of divorce and remarriage adultery plaguing our civilization today by b cherry picking verses.
Would I be able to remarry since I’ve never been married before this unlawful and adulterous marriage I entered into?
In Jewish law the bride had to be a virgin.
if you have no covenant relationship, then Biblically you were never married....ergo you are free, to marry...
this is the truth...im in agreement ..with you. blessings in your discernment brother.... So many churches are not in line with the word of God... many preachers are remarried and their first spouse is still alive...
You know it’s okay to judge when you really don’t know the whole story. So please stop judging folks.
@@Dundatta258 ok Garry ill do whatever you say..anything else ..
@@Dundatta258 but if you have sny scriptures to back up your egotistical and liberal comments...ill be waiting for them...but i will not argue with you about it.. and be specific.please .
@@Dundatta258 the story doesn't matter only the truth of God..your story or any9ne else doesnt matter...GODS WORD, ONLY and is finaland absolute..
1timothy 3 1:5 a pastor must be blameless not blamed. Husband of one wife not 2. Kenneth Copland got married 3 times. He's living in adultery. He's blamed
brothrr saanichton will you please clarify the text in 1st Corinthians 7: 8 about the unmarried or widow better to marry than to burn.. the word "unmarried " means single . . right...?
Yes the unmarried in that verse is in context with the virgin brother who asked “was it good never to touch a woman,” or a virgin sister. If they long to marry, long to be fulfilled in that way, indeed Pursue a legitimate, unadulterated marriage. It can be done and is better than burning with passions and perhaps even sinful fantasies. There are so many unadulterated virgins out there, and they should marry before they burn with passion and get into full fledged fornication which will stain them for life. At 16 years strong in marriage, I can confirm it is challenging at times, and may even prove to be the fight of your life, but God can be your strength. When it settles and works, it is the best of things. Then best of blessings from God.
@@SaanichtonMinistries thank you.. so john MacArthur is not interpreting that scripture properly. he is in trouble. with God almighty...
@@robertgivens9479 let’s pray for him.... he is in lots of trouble these days.... he also misinterpreted the Covid pandemic and caused a serious faction and reproach. Thank God for David Pawson, and John Piper who have the spine to stand up to this issue.
@@SaanichtonMinistries but john piper has reconciled his belief by saying that remarried couples should not divorce and to stay as they are.. whats your take on that. i was deeply broken by his remarks when i heard him preach that msg. I stopped listening to him..
@@robertgivens9479 at a certain time we need to figure out who has a Biblical message, and who does not....and avoid the one with no Biblical message...
Can somebody answer this question..If a woman is separated to her husband they used to be unbelievers before, but now the woman became a Born again pastor but is involved to an emotional affair with a divorced man..is this appropriate to entertain him every time the woman is availabke for chatting???
The Bible is clear, even thinking about it is a serious sin. We best not do that lest we face judgement. God can read your thoughts and if they are of adultery or fornicated again you can receive judgement. If one catches their mind wondering to think about another in adultery.... stop. Control your thoughts and resist sin... pray.
@@SaanichtonMinistries thank you for answering my question brother.. at least it is clear to me what infidelity is..Every time the woman is available for chatting the divorced man will always send her messages..
What if a husband wants to come back to his wife after adultery? What if she stood in the gap for her husband, and he wants to remarry her after he divorced her?
Try to look at it that divorce is SIN. Period. What we see in the NT is that it does not exist. Yeshua raised the bar. God only sees the original legitimate marital partners. Divorce is just a legalistic piece of vain paper. So the offended one must forgive, the adulterer/ adulteress must repent and sin no more. And yes the 2 original husband and wife must reconcile or stay celibate.
@@SaanichtonMinistries exactly how I interpret the word. Not very many people agree with me.
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Hello, I'm not encouraging men to have more than one wife under the New testament, but didn't Jacob have two wives and two concubines? (Old testament of course). I don't know of a place in scripture where he was rebuked for this relationship situation.
It seems to me that under the old testament more than one wife was permitted. Under the New testament it was permitted before you have heard the gospel, after you have heard the gospel you wouldn't be able to become an elder or a deacon if you had more than one wife. Also we don't see any instruction in the New testament to put out of the church people with more than one wife.
I think in the OT lots of things were permitted which are unthinkable today including the stoning of a son by the parents, who was a glutton and a drunkard at the gate of the city. One wife was the original design and will of God based on Genesis. In the OT when the Earth was being populated and so on, perhaps there was an exemption. Enoch was a godly man and I noticed he had wives. By this was a man from the first generations of human families.
Most every polygamist got into trouble including David who was still unsatisfied and committed adultery with a married woman. Then his son Solomon I believe forfeited his salvation for his many wives.
Abraham got into deadly serious trouble with Hagar of which we can still see the fallout to this day. Jacob got into trouble too. So any fair minded student of the Bible can conclude that multiple wives are NOT God's will. Adam and Eve. Not Adam Eve and Betty....
It just does not equal fruition. A couple in monogamy can have trouble as it is. Imagine a wife living with another wife in the same house with children? The comparison, jealousy, in-fighting, favoritism? So it is a forbidden fruit. At first glance, a man may seem to think it is a great idea. Like any sin, it is not true in the end. In the NT, this principle and understanding is a basic ABC of Christian behavior. It goes without saying.
There is no Question that polygamy qualifies as NT "adultery" in the truest sense of the word which means much more than mere sexual activity. It waters down and stretches/taints God's true design and will for the nuclear family unit which is so blessed. IE adulteration/adulterated. Aside from the sexual act, this is the most destructive part.
It is fair to conclude that polygamy is a lessor of the adulterated evils. IE a couple in adultery could be stoned to death under the law. You never marry a divorced woman/man or married man/woman.
As for judgement of those in polygamy in the NT? I will leave that to God in Christ who examines all men. Galatians says those who practice adultery and greed shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.
i need a teacher like you sir.. i love you brother you alright lol
Non believer Husband if he remerry a Non-believer woman after getting Devorced from 1st one.
Now they came to be a believer of Christ both of them so what should that man have to do should he Devorce his Second Wife and look for reconciliation to his 1st wife who Adondond him.....
The other question is was even the first marriage legitimate? Or was it adulterated? The scenario you paint is one we have carefully considered. Just because you became a believer never nullifies your responsibility to your family you had in your past. This why we preach that for popular casual fornication and adultery are so dangerous among sins. Implications can be life long. The Christian life is not easy, it does require sacrifice and repenting from sin. Adulterated second marriages are not marriage, but counterfeit marriage. They are based on the words of Yeshua, who is the only Righteous Judge on this issue. Biblically, celibacy would be the correct course of action as we read in much of in 1 Corr 7. This way, the believe gets out of adultery, stops the cycle of divorce and remarriage adultery and dangers is poses, and can repent from sin of the past. Reconciliation with a legitimate first spouse would need extremely serious and careful reasoning and while not likely, could be possible.. The popular stance is the status quo... maintain the current marriage and cause not further damage. But Galatians says, those who practice adultery will have not inheritance in the Kingdom of God. So the believer must discern what is the priority? You own fulfillment in adultery, or your salvation? Look, I am not in remarriage adultery, and still I fear God and hell. Are you with me?
the same rule applies, here, as well.....if this person was married, before then the second....marriage....is adultery....
brother. i have a question...
Can someone explain why Jesus agreed that the woman at the well did not have a husband? Did all 5 of her husband's die? Can you also explain why Romans 7:2 specifies "to the married woman". If she is still bound to her husband after divorce why specify? Can someone also explain why the pharisees in Matthew and mark specifically ask about putting away with a divorce certificate and jesus's answer only addresses putting away? Can you also explain why Paul says that a deserted spouse is no longer under bondage and uses a phrase that is common to the Greek divorce document?
I ask these questions sincerely. I have been searching this topic alot and I honestly feel that people on both sides are getting this wrong but can't yet quantify how.
Thanks for your questions. I believe I answer them all in other video series. St Paul was a Jew, not a Greek. We need to think like a Hebrew. When Yeshua said that “He who divorces his wife causes her to commit adultery…” Is the most profound verse that testifies that Christ does not recognize divorce, or the vain certificate. On my videos, I tried to include the key verses in the title which address the Woman at the well who had “5 husbands” including one “who was not a husband.” The Lord was clearly being rhetorical in making his point to the Samaritan woman who had multiple past partners living in fornication as her current one in all likelihood. She thought this sin was secret, but the Lord is omniscient. If they were “real marriages” that would have been public knowledge. She would not have been so surprised that He knew. The passage also does not say that this woman was saved despite many commentators inference. It does not say she repented, nor thanked the Lord for salvation or worshipped him in the account. She left her water-pot and shared with others about the stranger who “knew all things..”
Concerning 1 Corr 7:15 defiantly watch the video on that one. Bondage is referring to slavery, not a marriage bound which is until death do they part. So marriage is not slavery he says. If one wants to leave, you are not to restrain him or force yourself on him or her. You must access them the right to separate if that is what must happen for whatever reason. But Divorce is NOT under consideration here in the context. Separation NEVER nullifies a marriage bound even with an apparent unbeliever. He even says, “the unbeliever can be sanctified and saved by the proper behaviour of the believer! Perfectly clear. Yet for whatever reason, commentators inject a perverse interpretation into the unadulterated word of God. There will be judgement for that one day.
Hope this helps, and God bless you for investigating this issue. There is an awakening to it all over the church and we are holding them to account
@@SaanichtonMinistries the word that is translated as divorce there is appoluo (the same word used whenever a crowd is sent away) where as when mentioning the divorce certificate apostacion is the word used (this word as far as I know is only used to reference a divorce certificate). So the pharisees asked why Moses commanded them to give apostacion when they appoluo. Jesus said that appoluo followed by marriage to another is adultery with no further mention of apostacion. Is it possible that Jesus is addressing why a divorce certificate was to be given to the woman in the deuteronomy case law (apostacion was to protect her from the label of adulteress. This document declares that she is free to marry another)?
The woman at the well was more than likely surprised that Jesus knew about her past not because she kept it secret from all but because he was a stranger and a Jew. Jews didn't mix with Samaritan's well so who could have told him about her past? Other Samaritan's? She was surprised he even asked her for water. About her being saved I've seen speculation about Jesus meeting her at a well being a symbol (a nod to isacc and Rebekah) for her finally finding a true husband in Christ (which would also draw a parallel to the living water and not thirsting. Christ can do what the other 6 did not).
@@SaanichtonMinistries another interesting thing to mention.... When god sent away Israel (Hebrew (shil·lach·ti·ha) just like Greek (appoluo)) both in Jeremiah and Isiah the wording is nearly identical to Deuteronomy 24 case law (inclusion of Hebrew (keritut) just like Greek (apostacion)) meaning god gave Israel a certificate of divorce as well as sending Israel away. In Malachi 2:16 there is mention of shil·lach·ti·ha (appoluo) with no mention of keritut (apostacion) which parallels Jesus in the gospels saying that apolluo (shil·lach·ti·ha) with no mention of apostacion (keritut) followed by marrying another is adultery. Jesus seems to be doing two things here... 1: explaining why "any cause" divorce is wrong 2: explaining why Moses commanded a certificate of divorce be given (without it the wife is an adulteress. The Jewish divorce certificate gave express permission to remarry). Maybe this is why the Matthew exception isn't in the other gospels along with the fact that gentiles wouldn't understand porneia anyways (porneia in Hebrew is ervah which is defined in Leviticus 18). Malachi says that the man sending away (with no mention of a certificate) is dealing treacherously and covering himself with violence... Jesus uses strange speech to say that a husband sending away (with no mention of a certificate) causes adultery to be committed against the wife. Both the pharisees and the men in Malachi seem to be abandoning their wives (with no grounds or for "any cause") specifically to remarry more attractive wives. It is obvious why this would be angering to god.
The only place in scripture I can find where putting away without a certificate is not spoken harshly about is in Ezra 10 where the word for put away is actually lə·hō·w·ṣî which is translated everywhere else in scripture as "bringing forth" instead of sending away. I can't find a single place where apostacion or keritut is spoken about negatively. Both mean divorce where their counterparts mean send away.
@@jonritchey8653 remarriage is adultery no matter how people want to comfort themselves that it isn't
@@letstalkbiblewithshun.s do you have a potentially more edifying response that might address my confusion? I'm happily single so don't think I'm trying to comfort myself. When I see things dividing the body I research them to see what is right. I have many people who have looked to me for advice on various topics and I don't want to get the important parts wrong. I thought that having an intelligent discussion with someone while sighting opposing views would be edifying. Your response doesn't help anyone. There are alot of people in the faith on both sides of this. Discussion is how we get to the bottom of it, much like in acts when it was decided what the gentile believers should abstain from.
Wait, WHAT? You said there is no commandment for widows to get remarried? That’s not true -
“But refuse the younger widows; for when they have begun to grow wanton against Christ, they desire to marry, having condemnation because they have cast off their first faith. And besides they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house, and not only idle but also gossips and busybodies, saying things which they ought not. Therefore I desire that the younger widows 👉👉👉marry, bear children, manage the house, give no opportunity to the adversary to speak reproachfully. For some have already turned aside after Satan.”
I Timothy 5:11-15 NKJV
When did I sat that?
Minute 7:45
So why does Paul command the young widows to get married because essentially they will grow wanton against Christ and essentially fall away from the faith, but yet young women left by their husbands have to stay single? This doesn’t make sense. So is Paul ok with young women falling away from the faith because they can’t get married because their husbands left, but NOT ok with widows falling away from the faith?
@@abideintheWord you did not hear me correctly. I was referring to women/wife even young women who had a husband “depart” Not a widow in that line. I agree younger widows are urged to remarry and that is not a sin if it is in the Lord.
@@abideintheWord a woman and wife who is single because a husband left can not get married. She should not fall away from the faith in this situation. She does not have to. She can be self controlled and wait patiently for reconciliation. She must lean on the Lord and Trust in the Lord with all contentment. Hell is the option and alternative to the compulsive woman who opts for adultery with some other man.
My story for those who haven’t heard yet:
I think many know part of mine.
I was raised in a fake Christian home but didn’t know it at the time. My parents are remarriage adulterers and have been all my life. I am an uncovenant child. My father has a living first wife but she had left him at a young age and then he got saved later and “married “ my mom. Saying that the equal yoke makes the marriage since his first unsaved wife departed even before he believed, he likes to assume the bondage to her as his covenant spouse is broken. He’s been a deacon in the church all my life. My parents act all holy but now I know the truth.
I at first thought like them so as you know I “married” a woman who like my dad had a first hubby who left her, never had kids and she was unsaved then. So we “married” and had 5 uncovenant kids. One day a lovely new secretary came to the church and caught my eye. I felt guilty until I realized my “wife” was not my own! Blessed indeed to be freed from that awful union and now in covenant marriage with the secretary Tally! Though the churches and my parents side with my fake ex and support her stand for my return since they all believe professing Christians need to keep their “marriages” even if they had a living spouse before they were saved that left them! They like to claim this is how the Bible is and how God makes covenants and that he only allows a believer with an unbeliever in yoke one flesh as long as the unsaved stays in the marriage.
Trying to get them all to see the true nature of covenant marriage, that God joins ALL first time or widowed marriages of a born man and woman, happily and until death! The bond, the binds, the bondage stays for life even if both are satanists! Or one is a saint and one is a satanist! There is never any sin in covenant marriage. It is never to be repented of.
#remarriage #divorce #remarriageadultery #remarriageisadultery
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Did you contact kanye west and mike pence like you said you were going to?
Yes!! Praise him I did! Hoping they actually receive it
@@jesusislord3604 let me know the outcome if they receive and respond. Where did you get their addresses from?
@@jesusislord3604 guess what I just found? Any update on your letters to Kanye West and Mike pence?
No :( but unfortunately mike pence is busy on that 5G corona thing. What did you find?
I have a very scenario specific question, that really would require a conversation to discuss. I imagine that is not something that can be done?
Sure I think we could arrange that. What is your question?
Interested question. I think if a "marriage" is done in private it leaves too much room for scandal and sin. Marriage should be public with all sides of the families invited. Just as we would not do baptism in private, so marriage should not be done in private. Marriage is a public declaration before both the world and the chruch, that you are bound to the man or woman till death do you part. It is a celebration. You do not do a marriage in secret unless you are ashamed or covering up something? There again, marraige does not have to be a big huge. costly spectacle. How God would see the union? I will leave that to God to answer! For those consummated before marriage, it is sin which can be forgiven or course they should stay together trusted they are not committing adultery against some other X partner which is so often the case! Couples in fornication can be seen as husband and wife in a legal or figurative sense none the less. IE if you have children, and assets, you could still be under court supervision and order for money division and so on in the event of a separation, just as a legally married couple. Hope that helps!
@@vegasveteran6308 my gf is in a sham marriage. The sham was to get him in the country he has a second wife in another country and a child here from another woman and none from my gf they were married in a mosque under allah so do God consider that a marriage just like if someone married someone in the name of satan in a satanic church is that considered a marriage in God's eyes i am so confused by my situation and i dont know what to do but i know i need to repent from fornicating thats why i am willing to marry her to get this sin behind me please your advise is appreciated.
@@vegasveteran6308 You are also wrong Clint. Read Deuteronomy 28:1-3. ( correction it is Duet 24 ) Also God does say divorce is ok in the case of adultery.
@@vegasveteran6308 This video is not scripturally accurate either.
Only one reason to divorce and that is fornication/premarital
It is for believers...only..if a non believer leaves let them go you are not under bondage
Bondage means slavery, not marriage bound. You are not a slave... make that clear
@SaanichtonMinistries also be clear who Jesus sets free is free indeed...you are not a believer untill you are born again...that's why paul says as you were untill you are cleansed...he says to believe in the gospels..show where it says for anyone to divorce..it does say to stay where you are found if married stay married...
@@robertstutler6229 you believe? You do well… the devil and demons believe too. Salvation belongs to those who obey and work it out with fear and trembling, not live for the flesh or make excuses to commit adultery. If you practice adultery you are going to hell. Never are we to think more highly of ourselves than we ought. Believe all you want! If you work iniquity you have no place in the Kingdom. And you will fall short of the grace of God.
So your saying paul is a liar...and you do not believe that christ paid for your sin...just remember you are justified by faith not of works so that no man can boast...anyone who does not believe christ died for there sin will die in there sin...remember paul messenger of god...says if you are found married stay married..
@@robertstutler6229 Paul is the one who said if we practice sin, we do not inherit the Kingdom. He warned Christians in Galatia about it. It is a balance. No we are no saved by good works, but we are saved from sin and love the truth. Love rejoices in the truth, not remarriage adultery or a lie from hell. I am truly sorry for the millions who live in it and am thankful by the grace of God I was delivered from it myself!
the Bible makes no provision, for the one who has been put out.....or divorced.....
evidently they got it wrong, in Matthew, saying except, instead of....one of the exceptions.....
Pastor you are partially right but overall you are wrong. Please read Deuteronomy 24:1-3, and teach this properly. Like you said, It matters what the Bible says.
I am aware of Det 24 1-3, but believe the OT Mosaic Law are not at all applicable to us. IF you skip back a few pages in Det, you will see commandments to Stone your children who are drunkards and gluttons. Would you assert because the bible says that, this is the parenting standard for today? It is the same with the "eye for eye, tooth for tooth. I have written about this in my book and covered it.
What then? Shall we say, "divorce for divorce? adultery for adultery?" God forbid! Jesus has raised the standards in the New Covenant. There should be no such thing as divorce in the NT church. In the pagan world, yes it should be found along with fornication, and other manner of evil. Let us never dredge up Mosaic laws of the OT and insert them into the new as if they over ride the teaches of the Lord Jesus on this.
@@SaanichtonMinistries So you dont think people should divorce due to infidelity? And if they do divorce for that reason do you believe they must remain single? Why should the good spouse be punished for the sins of the adulterer?
Jesus said, Don't think that I have come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I have not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till Heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled. Whoever therefore shall break one of the least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called least in the kingdom of Heaven: but whoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of Heaven.
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Jesus said don’t follow what Deuteronomy permitted under Moses because the harness of their heart Jesus explain to the Pharisees they are one flesh no longer two . Jesus said BUT I Tell you if you marry another you commit adultery
I did a video in response to someone who miss used scripture
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@@theprophetez1357 No. People should not and according to Jesus CANNOT divorce due to adultery/infidelity. Mark 10:2-12, and Matthew 19:5-6 are clear on this. 1 Corinthians 7:10-11;39 and Romans 7:2-3 also confirm it. Marriage is a LIFELONG Covenant
@Cece V I judge No one. Your accusations are false and baseless. I merely point to the Word of God and people condemn themselves when they dishonor and disobey it. I or anyone else has nothing to do with their condemnation. Repeat: They condemn themselves. No amount of lies or Bible gymnastics will change God's Holy Word on this matter. It's up to each individual to decide if they're going to OBEY it and humble themselves Or not. ✝️