As someone who used to work for a food manufacturer who made USDA certified "organic" food, I can definitely confirm that when the USDA reps came, they literally just accept self-reported data without even inspecting the facilities. Easiest payday ever for those guys.
@@soliniv1411 They have money, but the political lobbyists are too powerful. That's why, for example, dairy is still on the USDA recommended diet even though medical studies demonstrate that dairy is, on the whole, bad for you.
@@Unknown-jt1jo It is already widely understood that the government promoted "Food Pyramid" is a farce, and should be inverted. Grains and starchy carbs are now the worst thing you can eat.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Α-Amanitin Case in point. Totally organic. See also; Atropine occurs naturally in a number of plants of the nightshade family, including deadly nightshade (belladonna), Jimson weed, and mandrake. Then there is the foxglove plant which contains a cardiac glycosides, particularly one called digoxin, extracted from various plants of this genus. Foxglove has medicinal uses but is also very toxic to humans and other animals, and consumption can even lead to death. Then Lily of the Valley, "Roughly 38 different cardiac glycosides (cardenolides) - which are highly toxic if consumed by humans or animals - occur in the plant, " Organic does not equal safe to eat.
It's not accurate though. Capsaicin (the spiciness in chili peppers) is an organic pesticide. Yes it is a poison to some creatures, but it is not comparable to lead arsenate (which is now banned but used to be used extensively)
Bonus points if the organic packaging has brand names like "Ol' Trusty Luke's Family Farm", in lowercase handwritten font, with earthy color pallets, and the "story" of the company on the back, signed "Your Friend, Trusty Luke"
Can confirm, I worked in a heath food grocery store for two years and got to really see behind the curtain on the food and everything Roger says is spot on . It used to crack me up to see people buying nothing but junk food while thinking they’re being healthy and ethical cuz of a label and price. Those places are basically pretentious grocery stores for upper middle class people to feel superior.
I mean on one hand, in conventional agriculture we use pesticides when necessary but its expensive to buy, On the other hand, in organic farming, they burn a lot of diesel because they use weeder so many times
Yea junk food and diet... understood. But organic food does not contain glyphosate... which is 100% proven to kill your gut microbiome bacteria and cause immune dyseregulations over time. So for example, for people who actually keep track and maintain a healthy longevity diet... organic is needed. You can joke yourself into whatever ignorant low iq type of nutrition boomer farmers trick you into eating. But everything I do is backed by a lot of research. Meta studies etc. Did you know around 1990s they started overusing glyphosate where it was sprayed even right before picking... so it would not have time to wash off. At the same time autoimmune disorders sky rocket. However, too much money is made relative to who can link it for lawsuits. Watching you all is literally like watching cattle on a farm being fed shit ...just enough to be wage slaves.
Yeah, that is a serious problem of people thinking something is "healthy", just because it's vegan or organic or something. Like oreos are literally vegan.
I spent years helping with my uncle's dairy farm. It wasn't "organic" but it was small, the cows were vaccinated and treated very well. It was on the top end in grading, meaning it was kept pretty spotless and the big names bought milk from him. We didn't need fancy terminology or buzzwords, just honest cleanliness.
I actually have a friend that worked at an organic farm. He goes to large commercial farms and buys vegetables then takes them to farmers markets and sells them. He tells everyone that they are organic and that they are grown on the farm he works on. People would actually tell him how much better his vegetables were than the vegetables at the grocery store and they were the exact same as the ones at the grocery store. He finally got caught and lost his job over it but he did it for years
wow i was just about to say going to a local farmers market and getting to know the farmers themselves was a good idea, but now i guess you have to visit the farm 2
@@ahtoshkaa , Everyone who commits fraud or scams excuses themselves by pointing to the stupidity, complicity, or other moral failing of their marks. Are you implying that they are right? It is possible for two people to be jackasses at the same time.
The funniest one I ever saw was organic maple syrup. Literally the only difference was the paperwork and the absence of the dairy derived anti-foaming agent used in exceedingly small quantities to control bubbles during the boiling process. It cost twice as much as the normal stuff.
You guys should do a commercial about farmer's markets. They're supposed to be local farmers selling their own crops but a lot of people buy wholesale produce and sell it there.
I was a certified organic corn and soybean producer for a few years. The paperwork/certifiers are insane/ineffective. When you sell a load of corn for example, you need to have an "audit trail", which consists of the field record stating how many bushels were harvested, the bin register showing when the crop was put in the bin and how much on that day, a lot number for the load to be sold, an off farm transportation cleaning affadavit to show the semi was cleaned before organic use, and a bill of lading. But none of that matters, as the certifiers don't come out at harvest time to estimate yields, so you literally could mix in chemically raised corn in your bin, and alter the paperwork. I didn't do that, but someone in my state did, I think they did over a million dollars worth of it. A certifier writing down on the paperwork that I used herbicides by my house, when it is a MILE AWAY from the organic fields. An arbitrary "crop buffer" of 25ft. when organic crops are raised by chemically treated crops, when volatility can send herbicide a much greater distance than that. The ability to plant "non-gmo non-organic" seed, but only if you fill out a form showing you attempted to get those varieties in organic (which might not even exist), then they just put pressure on you to use organic seed, but as far as I remember there wasn't any repercussions. I could get into the environmental aspects of burning insane amounts of diesel fuel for organic weed control, and soil loss due to wind blowing soil away during tillage, but that would make this post even longer. Glad I did it for a life experience, but I'm glad I don't do it any longer.
Was going to comment about working the soil to death and the crazy amount of diesel you burn when not using chemicals to keep weeds down. And that buffer zone... the neighbors spray there hazelnut orchard floor and trees even by plane literally 50ft. From the crops growing on the organic farm I work on.
Fascinating read. As far as I know conventional farming tills the soil as well. So wouldn't soil blowing away be an issuue there as well? Is there a difference in method of tilling?
Some great lines in this video: Our cheese balls were hand poofed by artisan elves up in the Keebler tree. So you'll feel like Popeye. And my favorite: You'll feel like Captain God damn planet!
That would be almost too awful. Roger is so savage with organic foods (a relatively minor scam). Can you imagine how he'd rip into the financial industry, which bilks people out of tens of billions of dollars every year?
@@NoHomerSCracked was bought out by a media group that gutted the budgets and that cost them Daniel O'Brian, Cody Johnston and most of the senior editors.. so the quality tanked hard.
The only best way to go organic is if you have your own garden, and I would absolutely recommend it if its possible where you are. Hell, it doesn't even have to be organic really, it's more a matter of knowing exactly what's going into your produce. Not to mention it tastes leagues better fresh off the plant! As an added bonus, if you become experienced enough after the startup cost of resources, continuous runs often come out cheaper than what you'd be paying since you can reuse the seeds from the last batch and just get another bag or two of fertilizer every now and then to maintain soil quality. PS, if you opt in for composting, which I would totally recommend, see about the Black Soldier Fly and if it's natural to your area. They are some of the best decomposers in their larvae state, and as a fly they are 100% harmless since they drink nectar and pollen, which also makes them an excellent pollinator in addition to being incapable of biting! They also have a TON of additional benefits such as bait and animal feed.
I installed small composter last year - I do have ton of those fly larvae in there, they're crawling & eating so ferociously I can hear them when opening the lid 😂
Guy who hauled the treated sewage for wheat farmers said he would always tell the idots from Seattle " You shit we spread , send it back in your bread " Love it 😅
I grew up on a farm where 90% of everything we ate we grew and raised ourselves. We used both commercial and natural fertilizer (compost), we saved all our chicken pig and cow poop and use it. I can tell you this for certain: All the food I grew up eating was far higher quality and tasted far better than anything you can get in a grocery store today.
does that say something about the food, or is it more if a nostalgic childhood memory? you always hear people say that the food/tv/music/whatever was better when they were young. sounds more like people missing the time they were young, and projecting it in other things.
Do you have that measured and quantified? or is it just a combination of childhood nostalgia and the fact that the product could be consumed earlier than if it was first shipped to a store and then bought?
@emilvennerberg4927 I got some fresh local chicken from my grocery store. It wasn't organic. It took on the flavor of seasonings extremely well as it was never frozen. The funny thing is I've had the same experience with frozen meat but it had been properly packaged and didn't spend weeks in the freezer. Freshness is key. Proper knowledge on preparing meat for cooking is very useful. Under exposure to peanuts at a young age has lead to an explosive increase in peanut allergies. The last one just a fun fact lol. I don't buy organic for most things. In fact other than the HEB organic breakfast bars(knock off nutri-grain bars) which taste delicious I typically don't even care if it's organic or not given the lack of regulation and the lack of scientific evidence. I do know diseased animals make for poor eating, and diseased crops are the same. I am against the over abundance of high fructose corn syrup in nearly anything the can use it in as a sweetener... it's in nearly everything, including some breads lol
This video makes some very good and valid points (organic food isn't somehow "more nutritious," and the point about "natural" pesticides is well taken) but also glosses over the environmental harms of excess fertilizer use (e.g. the Gulf of Mexico deadzone), the public health implications of overuse of antibiotics in livestock leading to more drug resistant bacteria, and the ways hormonal manipulation of livestock impacts our bodies (e.g. certain dairy products contributing to precocious puberty). I think the bigger key is distinguishing between snake oil/scare tactic sales claims and those with some evidence
It doesn't matter if the fertilizer is natural or synthetic, it will still cause deadzones. Organic farming does precisely nothing to improve on this. The "overuse" of antibiotics is something that was more problematic than it is nowadays. I'll grant there is room for concern; however, when weighed against protecting outbreaks of deadly diseases from occurring, it isn't so black and white. There is insufficient evidence that hormones in livestock lead to issues when consuming their products, especially since they are very rarely used and mostly banned in our modern era. Precious puberty was linked to availability of increased calories, not hormones in food. Roll the clock back 100 years and people were eating far fewer calories. Having consistently available calories triggers puberty to commence at earlier ages than in times when calories were more scarce.
Well, if you want to take it ALL the way to the base, you can also talk about the environmental damage caused by simply BY all those improved agricultural methods making people live longer, healthier lives (i.e., by contributing to population increase and cutting down on infant mortality and mass famines.) If the average lifespan a human would have in the wild is about 35 years, you could make the argument that that is how long we are SUPPOSED to naturally last, and anything we do that extends that is environmentally unnatural.
@@jonathanclemens3755 I grew up middle class back in the 1950s and 1960s. I didn't like meat (my parents forced us to eat it and whatever else they put on our plates) and my mother was embarrassed that I was thin. My two-years-younger sister loved meat (with the fat which made her fat) and hated vegetables. We would secretly exchange our food, her taking my meat and me, her veggies. She started her periods just as she turned 10; I did so at age 15 because I was skinny. So you are probably right.
@@b469bonly if the soil is safe. I know the town I grew up in where we played in the dirt and ate food people grew was found to be very toxic when they decided to check it before putting in a big development. They had to remediate down 3 ft before the building was started and this was only one part of the town. This town as well as several others along the US/Mex border have cancer clusters due to mining and manufacturing.
@@user-xh9df4sg1n How is it "Still not "organic"" if you don't use any chemicals in your own garden? Grown from your own seeds (i.e. Heirloom or other not store bought seeds). And no, I don't trust Wal-Mart when they write Heirloom on the package.
As someone with a PhD and BS in Horticulture he is 100% accurate. Organic is a buzz word used to get people to pay more for groceries and requires more inputs and resources than traditional agriculture.
Except maybe his claim that cancer has been on the decrease over the last 200 years. Not claiming it's the synthetic pesticides, just that it's a very misleading statement. You cannot look around a crowd and be convinced millennials and gen-z are healthier than how their grandparents were at the same age. Longevity has increased because of all the pills that can be prescribed to keep the people edging along, even though their health sucks.
@@Masterr59While I don't disagree, this overlooks significant diet and lifestyle differences between us and our parents and grandparents. On average people are living more sedentary lifestyles, and cooking for ourselves less, and eating highly processed foods. The health and obesity crisis is a multifaceted and complex issue, and in the grand scheme of things, natural vs artificial poisons and fertilizer matters very little in the grand scheme of things.
@@Masterr59 we use a lot less mercury, asbestos and lead nowadays. Plus better PPE, at least in first world countries. Health and safety is tedious, but even just better ventilation can make a huge difference to long term health of workers in factories.
@@ZealotOfStealexactly - we've supposedly got rid of all the poisons now havnt we ..... How come cancer is through the roof rn now and hen you clown ?? You literally point it out but still don't see it!!! 🤣👍🤡
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As a personal organic farmer and a former HazMat technician, I would much rather have BT (a harmless bacteria) sprayed on my vegetables than a repeated application of organophosphates to control caterpillars. I’d rather use harmless DE to control bugs than benzene ring organophosphates. My preferred fertilizer is bat guano and not the slightly radioactive phosphates.
One of your best expose's yet. As a geologist I find it humorous that people believe 'synthetic' N-P-K fertilizer (good ol' 10-10-10 or 13-13-13) is "bad" and "organic" phosphate rock fertilizer is "good." The geologic fact is, mined phosphate rock is made of calcium phosphate. Phosphate rock deposits are ancient ocean deposits that precipitated out of sea water. It's what most of Florida sits on. Since sea water contains minerals and 1% of that is uranium, and since the atomic radius of uranium is very close to that of calcium, uranium will substitute for calcium in the atomic structure of the mineral. In other words, natural phosphate rock is naturally radioactive to some degree. In fact, the heavy use of phosphate rock to fertilize tobacco and the decay of the uranium to polonium which attaches to the leaves is the reason tobacco smoke is radioactive and therefore carcinogenic. However, during the production of synthetic fertilizers, the process removes nearly all of the radiation from the phosphate rock ore. This explains the large mounds of radioactive byproduct tailings from fertilizer plants that are between Orlando and Tampa. They are called Gypsum Stacks. They can't be used for anything (at least not yet) because the EPA considers them too radioactive.
Chemical fertilizers come in a liquid form that is sprayed on crops, usually in excess, and when it rains that excess runs off into rivers and streams and causes serious problems. Stick to rocks.
There are thousands of chemicals in tobacco smoke. I am not a huge believer in the carcinogenicity of most chemicals. Rather, I think the background radiation we are surrounded by and radiated by is largely responsible for the odd malignancy forming. In fact I think that is the main driver of evolution. There is a study about cigarettes and cancer which stated that the tar in cigarettes, tended to collect at the bifurcations of the bronchial tubes as they spread out in the lung, and the polonium daughter products in the tobacco would stick there to the tar and radiate the tissue with alpha particles, eventually forming a malignancy. @@yannick7230
@@yannick7230exactly, and while people think of radiation causing cancer (and it does), chemical carcinogens are so much worse. Different magnitude of cancer risk.
sadly, most people don't have any space to grow any foods and people who do grow their own food don't always know what is in their soil before they start growing. You could be eating forever chemicals from your old garden.
@@blondey3261 with current environmental pollution you cannot escape PFAS or other harmful things, yet it's still better to at least try to consume less of those 😜 [Edit] Couple of containers to garden can be held even without balconies 👍
I grow most of the fruits and vegetables i eat myself in my garden. And even i use synthetic pesticides, otherwise the produce would just end up rotting on the trees and in the ground.
I've ben a organic gardener for years and didn't even know! LOL. Didn't understand exactly what organic farming was. Figured it was pesticides free. Lot's of chicken poop mixed in the soil, will give you a great garden. Canned 20 jars of tomatoes this year.
People tend to not know the difference between local grown which tend to sometime pick up flavors in the areas soil like wine or onions and organic which in my opinion just means we charge 10% more for the word
I grow as much of my food as possible after watching the reports about glyphosates contributing to autism and dementia. Then I seen a container of strawberries blended up and taken to the lab. The lab said there was enough pesticide in the strawberries to reapply the liquid to the field as an active pesticide. I figure I can lose a bit of garden to pests and disease and still be healthier. Just me. I got 10 bags of tomato puree this year. 😊❤
I'm a organic consumer for 10 years now, I eat organic because It's taste better and I can digest the food without acid reflux and belly cramp. I have also a organic garden I use to grow food for 10 years. I know the paper work for the farmer is insane, but with bare-code tracker power by SAP software and order that can be cost efficiently. You have also the possibility to control mould with and copper and acetate (bicarbonate + vinegar) solution. For the pest insect, you have the birds, predatory insects, bacteria and some parasite insect for the pest insect. For the cord, a well grained land with underground pipe drains and a drop to drop pipe water system is the go to. If you have more money, you can have the robot weeder starting at 12 000 us$ to help with the weed control 24 hours 7 days a week to help if you can't find people to un-weed the land. For the fertilizer par, especially in the corn industry, you can decompose in water the corn plan and harvest the methane that produce and the fertilizer part will be in sludge and liquid part. I know, the best fertilization will by organic fed pig manure. For the cheater, the certify entity can test randomly, like the NFS certification, if everything is on spect.
As a Farmer that is both Conventual and Organic... It feels like printing money when we sell Organic crops as people will pay whatever you ask, its honestly highway robbery. 😂
I worked for an organic farm/charity and learned a lot about the science and reasons for things so I have a lot to say about how terrible standard commercial farming is, but yes the term "organic" has gotten all sorts of mixed up and is just a poor word to apply to things given its many contextual meanings. We can do better than mind numbing products like organic salt, a straight up inorganic mineral you literally extract.
And of course the salt has to be from the Himalayas (but actually from a different nearby mountain range, but who cares, it's still out there in the mystical "East"), and with rust in it so it looks special.
@bullfrogger1208 cotton is made up of an organic compound at least, and the label in that case means that the cotton was non-gmo, grown and processed without artificial chemicals etc, but I agree it is a stretch to use the term as a buzzword as broadly as that. Why not have a range of classifications that's more useful.
Organic salt is a real thing though. It just has nothing to do with food but ions , it is however abused by food companies to try to fool people who don't know chemistry terms. What's worse is they don't use iodine , something many people are deficent in as the body does not make it and runs counter to salt-iodization programs many countries run because of high amounts of deficency in the population. At least no anti caking agents there is some benefits to some people depending on which ones are allowed by regs but in general little point as the most common is potassium ferrocyanide which is good as potassium is the natural counter to some of sodiums negative affects and is another common deficency.
At 3:07 he might be referring to a famous organic fraud case that happened near me. Long story short: A nearby farmer was busted about 5 years ago running an organics scam. He was hauling in $300 million each year by labeling everything "organic," even though it wasn't. He hung himself rather than face federal prison and bankruptcy.
While this is mostly true, what my gf and I have found is that food listed as "organic" more often than not does not contain the things she is allergic to. So like it or not, "organic" processed foods is how we shop, or she'd practically not be able to eat anything. (corn allergy)
Making your GF the exception that confirms the rule: organic is not better for everyone, it's only better for some people with very specific needs. Of course, the whole organic craze must be very convenient for your GF.
Organic food is 100% about not having synthetic fertilizers running off into streams and causing huge problems with algae. It works. Plus anyone who trusts Monsanto is foolish.
My kid has a legitimate non-celiac gluten allergy; when I was forced to eat gluten-free due to their incessant whining I discovered which parent they inherited it from ... NOT life-altering for me, but definitely much better. But "organic" carrots? Beans? Potatoes? That's just marketing.
I can't have soy. Lots of products use soy flour to be gluten free, soy protein to be dairy and meat free. Organic products use soy even more frequently than conventional ones and at a higher cost.
There’s literally corruption in everything. Especially the biggest money makers like “organic”, “all natural”, and when they say “no (fill in the blanks)”. It’s all a lie to make them more money.
shortly after the "organic" label came out, I refused to buy anything called "organic" if it was at all possible. Even before they came out with the studies saying "nope, you get no measurable benefits from organic but a lighter wallet" I was just not having it. My objection was "oh, you call THIS lettuce organic...does that make everything else made of rocks and plastic? bite me. I'm not paying for your designer label."
I guess you missed the $16B in lawsuits over glyphosate giving people cancer or the studies where it sterilizes the microbes in the soil depleting the nutrients in the food.
I can tell you indeed it IS true that *truly* organic food is better in many ways, but emphasis in truly organic (from seed selection, to dirt/compost materials, water quality, agrocultural practices. The colors are mich brighter, the products are bigger, the flavor is ridiculously better, the texture & even the nutrients tend to be higher. Part of it is also picking it at ripening not prior. But I've bought truly organic products from lifelong friends that practice all of the above & then some & i most certainly can vouch there's a HUGE difference. But again... it is not store bought, nor USDA Organic labeled... it is a close friend that I've known my entire life & have deep access/insight/knowledge of all the practices they put to use for their small farm products
Also, many "farmers" at the farmers markets don't actually own any farms, they just buy misshapen fruits and vegetables in bulk and resell them at the farmers markets. They don't know if the produce is actually organic or not.
Some “farmers” market booths are just restaurants and taco trucks selling the same old Crisco-fried high-fructose-corn-syrup-and-soybean-oil-soaked crap from Sysco. Not all of them, though; it depends where you live.
working on a yogurt industry and testing the bio milk that taste worse, is way more fragile to pasteurisation and of course more expansive, i was waiting for that topic!
So to confirm what you are saying: you say the milk that taste worse is bio and pasteurized or is it not pasteurized? Also, would you consider non bio non pasteurized milk to taste ok or not ok? Thanks
I'm a organic consumer for 10 years now, I eat organic because It's taste better and I can digest the food without acid reflux and belly cramp. If I got the bad effect, I know It's not organic even the label say organic and I don't by this fake organic produce anymore.
I worked for an "organic," and famous free range chicken ranch. I had to sign a non disclosure to be accepted as an employee. There was no free range and the feed wasn't organic. It was just another ordinary factory farm. The owners made a pile of money. There were never any inspections.
That’s sad to hear. I just bought organic free range eggs and was hoping the chickens were treated better, as I know it has the same nutrients as non organic eggs.
@@DaytonaBleach Research the farms specifically. Go to local farmers markets, local farms that accept walk ins and politely ask questions. Watch out for people selling conventional eggs (and other things) at farmers markets. It really is unfortunate that we have to go to measures like these to get good quality food. But that is your best bet.
Yeah, I've long known this about the food industry. The only thing that has come close to changing my mind has been the organic milk at my local grocer. I don't know if they just use a better pasteurization process or have a better distribution chain, but they have longer expiration dates and just taste creamier. Literally the only thing organic I'm willing to spend more money on.
There's different levels of pasteurization, and they probably leave more fat In the milk. Your average mega dairy skims most of the fat out to make things like butter, and fully pasteurizes it to ensure there's absolutely no risk.
@@Patson20 Thanks for the info! I hadn't considered it, but yeah. The big dairy producers WOULD skim off everything they could for butter and stuff. Now I finally know why regular store bought milk tastes "watery" compared to the organic brand I buy.
@@Patson20 The amount of milkfat left in the milk is stated on the packaging. They'd get caught if they lied about that. The longer shelf life and sweeter taste of many organic milks are both due to using a higher temperature pasteurization process.
It depends on the brand too. I like the taste of Organic Valley, but I don't know how organic they really are, because I've never looked into it. I have seen something about Horizon not really being organic, because they take advantage of legislation that says that non-organic milk can be labeled as organic if the farm is transitioning to becoming organic. What Horizon does is it has its farms farm non-organic milk for the period of time they are given to transition, transition towards the end, and then de-transition the farm afterwards, unscrupulously selling the milk then to other dairy brands until they can repeat the process again.
I’ve binge watched most of your videos and now I can’t walk down the street without second guessing the authenticity of any an advertisement I see…. Because it’s all to make money
I used to subscribe to NatGeo magazine. Back in the 90's, they did a story about how family farms often saved themselves from bankruptcy by going organic. They could charge more because suckers are willing to pay more.
So much truth to be heard in this one. It is all about the marketing and packaging. Non-GMO wheat products and Gluten free Corn chips, I love the labeling.
I have been eating organic from my parents garden. Basically we just don’t use pesticides and the animals manure is also organic since we don’t give them (goats, sheep, chickens and turkeys) grains. Grass and worms is what they love. Scraps are used for composting that is also used as a fertilizer. I love it!!!
I think the argument should be made between a “Family Farm” and a “Factory Farm”. As the number of family farms has taken a huge hit from Corporate run Factory Farms.
@@mikes300 Don’t know how old you are. Where I live farming is/was generational with some going back to the beginning in the late 1700s. In the 1980 don’t you remember all the family farms going under? Where I live there is only a handful or more left of “family farm”. Not a mis-conception. Maybe they might have incorporated but the are small generationally passed down farms. Factory farms you know what they are don’t play naive. Happy Thanksgiving 🦃 & best wishes for the coming holidays.
I always believed that it's a marketing strategy to make you spend more..just cause it's "organic". It's my humble opinion that the only way you know if it's organic, is if you grew them yourself.
I love these videos. As someone that is in college for Biology and environment studies, this video is great! All the Honest Ads are. It's about looking objectively at these things and learning real facts and figuring out how we can change the system to force these places to stop lying and manipulating consumers. Love you Roger!
While I’m sure the claims of fraud and some others are valid, he dances around the nutritional value of the organic food and doesn’t mention taste at all. I could eat organic and conventional veggies and especially meat side by side blindfolded and I’m fairly certain I could tell which was which. I think suspending disbelief because it’s comedy and being entirely cynical about it is not as close to reality as being somewhat cynical about it.
@@Jackbarrany Taste is subjective, so it's hard to really use that as a qualifying factor over which is better on an objective scale. If we did, most vegetables would be classified as non-healthy as the majority of people, (particularly kids), don't eat vegetables for their flavor but more so because of the nutrients they provide or a perceived health benefit. As for nutritional value, that would take some more in depth research than was present in this video for sure, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if "organic" foods are actually less nutritious as they have measures in place to ensure they're getting proper nutrients when grown, proper prevention for diseases, and they're far less likely to be bred extensively and genetically altered to increase the nutritional value. There's also definitely a counterpoint there that some non-organically grown foods could be bred for "taste" instead of nutrition, lowering the nutritional value, of course, but like I said that would take more extensive research and in either case you would have to closely compare multiple brands. Depending on the brand you're likely to see some non-organically grown foods that are inferior in nutrients and that have dangerous chemicals when compared to organically grown foods, but you're also just as likely to find some that are more nutritious and with fewer health risks due to disease and bacterial prevention methods. More than likely though, above all else, you'll likely find that that the majority of non-organic brands and the majority of organic brands have virtually the same nutritional values, but the trade off being that organic brands are two or three times the costs and you have to worry more about diseases. As you said being too cynical can cause you to stray from reality, but so too can being too accepting of what companies literally trying to sell you their product are saying. In the end, anyone selling you anything isn't actually caring about your health or the benefits of their product. They're just trying to market it to you in a way that gets you to buy from them instead of their competition. What's more, mankind is always looking for shortcuts to feel superior or be healthier, so they are quick to latch onto anything promising to give them that, without doing any research themselves in either direction, or only doing surface level research until their initial impressions are confirmed.
@@Gamer3427 Taste is somewhat subjective, but we’re all homo Saipans and have a massive amount biologically in common so far as taste receptors and experienced qualia. Some people have actual deadened or unusual taste sensation when eating, but the majority seem to have similar qualia only differentiated by expectation, previous experience, and levels of openness and disgust (i.e picky eaters by nurture not nature). There’s a reason why some people are recognized as excellent cooks and chiefs while others self acknowledge they have a very basic and stunted taste. If one species of pepper has complex fruity notes with its heat, and the other of the same species tastes like a watery bell pepper with some heat, i think its really dismissive and postmodern to disregard that as “merely” subjective. That greater pleasure and wellbeing is being experienced or is not, is an objective fact. Also, chances are if someone isn’t enjoying vegetables, it’s because somehow we got it into the culture that the way to cook veggies is steaming them with a bit of salt or raw.
I do grow a lot of my own veggies and... I do use commercial pesticides and fungicides, but I use them exactly as prescribed, and I do add a few extra days of quarantine on top of what is stated on the label. Not using them means you have quite a low chance of harvesting anything on that particular year. I also tried using a lot of compost and manure, and I could never accquire enough (unless I buy it) to feed my plants throughout the season. It is never enough! Basic mineral fertilizers cost less than the transportation cost of a truck load of manure (not counting in the price of the manure itself), you can pick them up by hand and throw them on the back seat of your car. When applied properly in early winter, they create an absolutely perfectly natural mineral content in the soil, without killing any microflora and micelium! Being slow dissolvers, a boost feed mid-season takes you all the way to late autumn with perfectly fed and healthy produce. Early autumn is also the time you could usually cut back on the pesticides and fungicides, as the threats have now diminished a lot. Compost is still good though... Mostly for enhancing soil structure, any nutrients it has are pure bonus for a short while. And compost and mineral fertilizers get along quite nicely :)
1 word - Roundup Linked heavily to the explosion of Celiac and gluten sensitivity in America after its intro to wheat prpduction The truth is we don't know the long term health effects of experiemental GMO food or fertilizers Organic is the way even with its flaws.
The lady at Costco was appalled that we were gonna go for Taco Time Tuesday, she proclaimed that she “only eats clean.” It’s pointless to even try to talk to these people…
All To Often 'Fanatic" is associated With organic Preachers. & With Out cooked red Meat as well deteriorates mind and mental capacities.. But Junk Food/Beverages are a separate category of Definitions Maybe Healthy..........
I used to work in a soil science laboratory, and I can confirm that soil samples from organic farms have way more organic matter, and are thus more "alive'' than conventional farm soil samples. So the rate of soil degradation is lower on organic farms.
I been telling people for years, d not trust them little Organic Stickers. These groups market foods of all types that are covered with pesticides and toxins. Let's not even talk about the imported giant sized grapes and China imports. People are still eating tilapia? #follow the #chefs.
That statement does not hold up to actual empirical, observable, quantifiable facts and it’s your vague opinion, on the topic of specifically nothing. What are you even talking about? @@OneWorldGovernment2030-yv3zc
You should have tested my soil before and after I started farming it. I am a small time conventional farmer. When I bought the land the soil was poor with little organic matter. With all the organic matter I have added in the form of "non organic" manure and "non organic" straw for my berry patch. Now the soil is chock full of organic matter. This is not an "organic" thing, it is a good practice thing. My guess is that the soil that came from "organic" farms were ones who took better care of their soil and farm, probably smaller farms like mine. Organic matter in the soil has little or possibly nothing to do with what type of sprays you use. It is more of a fertilizer source thing.
You make some very good points. I knew by chiming into this debate I was opening a can of worms, as there are a multitude of factors affecting the quality of soil. And since there is so much money to be made with the “organic” label, and since it is such a buzz word, the industry is not without its dubious players. I’m happy to hear you have good practices and have improved the quality of your soil. Furthermore, I am neither for nor against either conventional or organic farming. Both have their merits. I don’t mean to be too definitive about things, science is based on observations and testing, and repeating this process. I’m happy to re-evaluate my positions and you pose a good suggestion to test, affects of different sprays and fertilizer sources. @@silvesteramon2618
@@GeorgeJefferson-h7w That's another meaning. If they meant "organic" in the sense of chemistry, that'd mean that they only use carbon-based substances. Those aren't necesarily natural nor healthier (they could be pouring diesel onto the crops and that'd be organic), and that's not what they mean. If the used "organic" in the biological sense (related to life processes), it would be nonsense, because all food is organic.
As a medical professional with an in-law surrounded by hippies.... she recommends "colloidal silver" instead of antibiotics, and I met one of her influencing friends at a social gathering and she (not knowing who I am or what I do) happened to tell me "I eat organic. Nothing growing out of the ground can kill you." Without even blinking, I stated, "Except for the poisonous plants and mushrooms." She didn't speak for the rest of the evening. At all. Of course, I didn't even get to comment on E-coli contamination from any fertilizers or animal that poops nearby. (-_-)
Your in-law is right. Antibiotics, if used too frequently, nullifies your immune system. It tells your immune system that your body doesn't need it anymore because antibiotics will take care of it. The more you use it, the more you will HAVE to use it or else your body won't be able to fight it naturally.
Colloidal silver is antibiotic. It’s just probably only effective topically and not orally. I’ve used it to treat pink eye multiple times and to cure an abscess on my cat (flushing it daily with a medicine dropper). But, I’m not kooky enough to use it instead of a prescription for strep or something like that.
@@Chicken_Mama_85yet medical professionals prescribe antibiotics for viruses all the time and they do nothing but cost the patient more money...and possibly destroy gut flora and natural immunity.
My sister in law talked high and mighty how she didn't eat "processed" foods. Literally as she ate a plastic packaged block of tofu. I laughed and pointed out her idiocy. She didn't say anything and kept eating.
There is a massive difference between highly processed and processed food. Tofu is very minimally processed. It is better if made by hand or bought from an Asian market who makes it fresh but it's not comparable to heavily refined/processed foods.
@@airainesYe, I'd guess tho most people in the west who eat Tofu probably don't go to their nearest, cleanest, bestest Tofu. There's a reason it sells in the supermarkets.
The crazy thing is any farm can say/label they are organic. I can spray with conventional sprays and label it organic, I can only get in trouble if I call/label the product "certified organic."
As a Norwegian who has seen pctures and statistics of what the rivers ponds and springs where like before arteficial fertelizer came along/ there become so much of it. The biggest plus for organic in my book is the fact that you awoyd massive alge more or less epidemics in water that suffecate the fish and plantlife ending the biotopic cycle in that aria making it so I can flow down a river that 100years ago would have tiped my cano with fish and not even get a bite.
Penn and Teller did a show on organics years ago on thier show "Bullshit" and it was talking about the same things. My favorite is when they tricked people into admitting the non-organics did actually taste better.
@@Zebra_3 Yes, a very funny test, but it doesn't prove what most people think it proved. It DOES prove that we think we taste differences when we think we are tasting different bananas, even when we're not. It DOESN'T prove whether organics taste better than non-organics. Luckily we have real scientific studies proving that we can't tell organic bananas from conventionally raised bananas.
Most of this is true however. I have noticed that with my own organic and chemically fertilized crops. I have noticed that the organic ones always last longer in the fridge. The don't 'melt' as quickly as the ones I use chemical fertilizers on. Also most of the synthetic pesticides don't work after we use them for about 3 years even on the same insects. But with the sunflower method we're able to keep them off the good crops and pick bugs off to feed them to chickens which is alot better and almost 100% free compared to the pesticides which cost alot in my country.
💯 Organic food is soooo much better, tasting and for the health of all life. It costs more bc of the government, not bc it is profitable. There are so many extra steps that need to be taken to be certified organic and the gov charges a lot to discourage healthier living practices. The food costs more bc they wouldn’t break even if they didn’t increase the cost due all the extra people, steps and fees required.
@@SigFigNewton In all honesty I like both but don't think one is better than the other. Alternative fuels other than just fossil fuels could help stabilize the markets and help but things come at a cost. I don't think EVs are the only future or ICEs are the only way to go. It all depends on each individual and how it would work for them. I'd rather have several options than just one. I think a lot of people don't like EVs due to the big push on them lately saying they're going to get rid of gas cars, and the EPA cracking down on the little guy versus going after the big polluters. I have family that own a Tesla and it's a nice car. Lots of torque, fun to drive but I prefer gas for right now. Might look at a hybrid in the future but time will tell. Maybe they'll make an EV that the consumers can work on/modify in the future.
I find apples often leave a weird foul aftertaste but organic ones don't for whatever reason. So I suppose whatever they put on apples is worth going organic to avoid.
This one's tough for me. I'm less concerned with what my food is doing to me personally, and more concerned with what the product's farming method did to the environment. I grow my own food. I buy from local farms run by people I've met. And for store bought products, I try to buy from companies that at least make an *effort* to not kill off pollinators.
@@williampawson5476 Im not sure i understand your... confusion? Derision? I grow what i can, but its not enough calories to cover the whole year, and i dont raise any meat animals. I have to buy my pork, beef, and other produce from other farmers in my area to cover my other needs. Sometimes we trade
@Honest Ads They completely left out that organic takes 3X the amount of land to get the same amount of food. So we have to tear down more forests to make the same amount of food.
@@SovietReunionYTso you prefer the apples that are so full of pesticides no insect would ever take a bite? It's not even about the supposed health benefits, just compare the taste of any supermarket apple to the ones you can find in the countryside from non industrial farmers and it's not even close.
I worked in one food factory in which regularly they would buy regular tahini and just stick a new sticker to sell it as bio product, boss was happy with easy profit
I'm a organic consumer for 10 years now, I eat organic because It's taste better and I can digest the food without acid reflux and belly cramp. If I got the bad effect, I know It's not organic even the label say organic and I don't by this fake organic produce anymore.
I've been trying to get a definition of organic and nobody could give a satisfactory answer. I knew instinctively it was bullshit. That makes me morally superior.
I really can't argue with any of this. "For the love of money" drives men to do some of the most underhanded crap you can imagine. We're best off growing our own food and fasting regularly.
Ya crazy how propaganda works they tricked us out of self sufficiency into the so called "age of abundance. I prefer to call it age of productivity cuz we work 3x now, and breath toxic chemicals that make us stupid enough to wonder why our ancestor were so strong.
Exactly! I'm not religious but I grew up seventh day Adventist and I can say they believe in fasting, clean eating, growing your own food, and having a day of rest.
Last season I grew plants out of the disgusting sludge of rotting plant matter I threw in a barel. The food that grew from that was the most delicious thing I ever had. One time I burried old meat next to my tangerine tree. The fruits that came from that were very sweet and juicy. All it takes is a bunch of rotting stuff, time, and care and you will have what "organic" feels like.
I'm surprised he didn't mention "organic" also means "no GMO", so plants that have been modified to require less pesticide, fertilizer, and/or water can't be used, despite the ecological benefits.
monsanto promised less reliance on pesticides with GMO crops turns out since 1996 we are using 10x as much pesticide than before. GLYPHOSATE is causing massive harm to our environment
Yeah, because the pesticides are genetically built into the crops. Bugs will still try to eat them but die when the pesticide shuts down their nervous system. We’re not bugs but what do you think that does to your nervous system when you ingest it?
GMO stuff requires way more water, not less. Stop buying industry propaganda and look at the Organic Consumers Association instead. Yes, there is corruption. Yes, not all organic veggies are really that organic, but you're still lowering pesticide intake, particularly Roundup. Every little bit counts toward long term health.
But he doesn't say anything about the chemicals used causing cancer, which is the real reason most people eat organic. Really want your strawberries doused with chemicals that required the farm worker to wear a hazmat suit? Don't think he mentioned RoundUp, either.
@DevinNixonDavis what will I understand? That the giant agribusinesses want me to believe that all of their chemicals are harmless so they can keep raking in the profits? Whether I take a food science course or not doesn't change the fact that the shill who made this video doesn't address the main reason people buy organic.
1:01 Well.... Considering the only way for us to get B12 other than from supplements is from germs in dirt, I would say it is technically healthier (As long as it still has dirt but even then we don't eat it with dirt anymore lol)
@@SigFigNewtonCurious how you came to find out that they eat organic food and think it's safer and healthier in the firstplace. Generally, the only way one would learn this is because they felt compelled to talk about it in the first place, no?
@@SigFigNewton that has nothing to do with what he said, he asked for more honest history, which is a different series on this channel, please read before posting unrelated nonsense in an attempt to prove a point where your entire evidence is "cause my friend thinks so"
Don't forget the wooden crates, and dim lighting to provide a "hometown market" feel. It compliments the clever semantics and particular shades of green and brown
I thought they had to be non-genetically modified heirloom fruits and vegetables that grow from seeds produced by other fruits and vegetables for generations.
Some fruits actually taste better when you buy organic. But one thing I’ll never buy organic again is lettuce. I counted like 10 bugs in one head of organic lettuce once.
As someone who used to work for a food manufacturer who made USDA certified "organic" food, I can definitely confirm that when the USDA reps came, they literally just accept self-reported data without even inspecting the facilities. Easiest payday ever for those guys.
Well they probably dont have money to run the usda properly so we're screwed 😂
@@soliniv1411 They have money, but the political lobbyists are too powerful.
That's why, for example, dairy is still on the USDA recommended diet even though medical studies demonstrate that dairy is, on the whole, bad for you.
@@Unknown-jt1jothey still have some parents thinking their children have to drink 3 glasses of milk a day, it's wild
@@Unknown-jt1jo It is already widely understood that the government promoted "Food Pyramid" is a farce, and should be inverted. Grains and starchy carbs are now the worst thing you can eat.
Thats so messed up😡 they hiring?👀
LOL "Organic poison is still poison" Best line ever
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Α-Amanitin
Case in point. Totally organic.
See also; Atropine occurs naturally in a number of plants of the nightshade family, including deadly nightshade (belladonna), Jimson weed, and mandrake.
Then there is the foxglove plant which contains a cardiac glycosides, particularly one called digoxin, extracted from various plants of this genus. Foxglove has medicinal uses but is also very toxic to humans and other animals, and consumption can even lead to death.
Then Lily of the Valley, "Roughly 38 different cardiac glycosides (cardenolides) - which are highly toxic if consumed by humans or animals - occur in the plant, "
Organic does not equal safe to eat.
petroleum is organic.
@@danielkokal8819Hah! Technically yes! Hydrocarbons = organic lol
It's not accurate though. Capsaicin (the spiciness in chili peppers) is an organic pesticide. Yes it is a poison to some creatures, but it is not comparable to lead arsenate (which is now banned but used to be used extensively)
Yes!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂
Bonus points if the organic packaging has brand names like "Ol' Trusty Luke's Family Farm", in lowercase handwritten font, with earthy color pallets, and the "story" of the company on the back, signed "Your Friend, Trusty Luke"
Then watch Not-Just-Bikes and Edenicity who are not-dimwitted but actually-helping-theplanet
Can confirm,
I worked in a heath food grocery store for two years and got to really see behind the curtain on the food and everything Roger says is spot on .
It used to crack me up to see people buying nothing but junk food while thinking they’re being healthy and ethical cuz of a label and price. Those places are basically pretentious grocery stores for upper middle class people to feel superior.
The fancy restaurants in California I’ve been to basically just use “organic” to decorate the menu description, at marked-up price of course
I mean on one hand, in conventional agriculture we use pesticides when necessary but its expensive to buy,
On the other hand, in organic farming, they burn a lot of diesel because they use weeder so many times
Yea junk food and diet... understood. But organic food does not contain glyphosate... which is 100% proven to kill your gut microbiome bacteria and cause immune dyseregulations over time.
So for example, for people who actually keep track and maintain a healthy longevity diet... organic is needed.
You can joke yourself into whatever ignorant low iq type of nutrition boomer farmers trick you into eating.
But everything I do is backed by a lot of research. Meta studies etc. Did you know around 1990s they started overusing glyphosate where it was sprayed even right before picking... so it would not have time to wash off. At the same time autoimmune disorders sky rocket. However, too much money is made relative to who can link it for lawsuits.
Watching you all is literally like watching cattle on a farm being fed shit ...just enough to be wage slaves.
Yeah, that is a serious problem of people thinking something is "healthy", just because it's vegan or organic or something. Like oreos are literally vegan.
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I spent years helping with my uncle's dairy farm. It wasn't "organic" but it was small, the cows were vaccinated and treated very well. It was on the top end in grading, meaning it was kept pretty spotless and the big names bought milk from him. We didn't need fancy terminology or buzzwords, just honest cleanliness.
Yes but that’s one dude with one farm. Now try doing that as a corporation with hundreds of farms. Ya gonna cut some edges
Cool you worked at a dairy farm too! Lets gooooooo!!!!
@@1who4meexactly why everyone should support small farmers
But "organic" foods are such a cult now that they need to pass many arbitrary hurdles if they want to sell those products as organic.
Isn't cows milk for baby cows?
I actually have a friend that worked at an organic farm. He goes to large commercial farms and buys vegetables then takes them to farmers markets and sells them. He tells everyone that they are organic and that they are grown on the farm he works on. People would actually tell him how much better his vegetables were than the vegetables at the grocery store and they were the exact same as the ones at the grocery store. He finally got caught and lost his job over it but he did it for years
wow i was just about to say going to a local farmers market and getting to know the farmers themselves was a good idea, but now i guess you have to visit the farm 2
huh, I mean, that financially makes sense since you could sell it at a higher price, but still, the placebo effect here is crazy xD
That's a friend of yours? Is he still a friend?
@@jameswoodard4304 Are you implying that scamming pretentious idiots who want to overpay to feel morally superior is bad?
@@ahtoshkaa ,
Everyone who commits fraud or scams excuses themselves by pointing to the stupidity, complicity, or other moral failing of their marks. Are you implying that they are right?
It is possible for two people to be jackasses at the same time.
The funniest one I ever saw was organic maple syrup. Literally the only difference was the paperwork and the absence of the dairy derived anti-foaming agent used in exceedingly small quantities to control bubbles during the boiling process. It cost twice as much as the normal stuff.
Hey I bet if they marked it "vegan" for not having the dairy-derived foam, they could have charged triple! 😂😂😂
I understand that there is fraud, however, the crap that the USA allows to produce food is banned in most of Europe.
That really has more to do with the Canadian maple cartel than the organic label itself
It still would've been considered "organic" funny enough. But as well, then they must've used something else for it then.
@@PhalisoBringerOfDoomThe Canadian what now?!
"Organic poison is still poison".
Exactly.
When a snake bites your leg, you don't say "No worries, it's organic!".
That's venom tho, not poison.
@@simeonellinger2064 my bad. Same point though.
A lot of organic pesticides are actually more dangerous for humans than the conventional standard.
@@simeonellinger2064 Cyanide.
@@garethbaus5471How so,can you explain? I really would love to know this because I'm already terrified of the food industries and their shenanigans
You guys should do a commercial about farmer's markets. They're supposed to be local farmers selling their own crops but a lot of people buy wholesale produce and sell it there.
Hell, the ones near me are selling less and less food in general. More and more of the stalls are various MLM products. It's ridiculous.
You should check out the dude who makes a living buying Pies from Walmart and selling slices of them for $10 at farmers markets.
You should check out the dude who makes a living buying Pies from Walmart and selling slices of them for $10 at farmers markets.
You should check out the dude who makes a living buying Pies from Walmart and selling slices of them for $10 at farmers markets.
You should check out the dude who makes a living buying Pies from Walmart and selling slices of them for $10 at farmers markets.
Why is Roger the coolest Edgelord of every generation? 🥰
Roger Horton is simply an omnipresent force of nature
Because, for whatever reason, being knowledgeable is starting to be seen as being an edgelord. Because reality isn't pleasant, I guess
@@meursault7030 Let's not forget the term "hater". Were developing a lovely plethora of dismissive terms for thinking
@@meursault7030that's why I said it, out of respect.
Because Roger is NOT an edge lord; he’s so many tiers above Chad.
I was a certified organic corn and soybean producer for a few years. The paperwork/certifiers are insane/ineffective. When you sell a load of corn for example, you need to have an "audit trail", which consists of the field record stating how many bushels were harvested, the bin register showing when the crop was put in the bin and how much on that day, a lot number for the load to be sold, an off farm transportation cleaning affadavit to show the semi was cleaned before organic use, and a bill of lading. But none of that matters, as the certifiers don't come out at harvest time to estimate yields, so you literally could mix in chemically raised corn in your bin, and alter the paperwork. I didn't do that, but someone in my state did, I think they did over a million dollars worth of it. A certifier writing down on the paperwork that I used herbicides by my house, when it is a MILE AWAY from the organic fields. An arbitrary "crop buffer" of 25ft. when organic crops are raised by chemically treated crops, when volatility can send herbicide a much greater distance than that. The ability to plant "non-gmo non-organic" seed, but only if you fill out a form showing you attempted to get those varieties in organic (which might not even exist), then they just put pressure on you to use organic seed, but as far as I remember there wasn't any repercussions. I could get into the environmental aspects of burning insane amounts of diesel fuel for organic weed control, and soil loss due to wind blowing soil away during tillage, but that would make this post even longer. Glad I did it for a life experience, but I'm glad I don't do it any longer.
Was going to comment about working the soil to death and the crazy amount of diesel you burn when not using chemicals to keep weeds down. And that buffer zone... the neighbors spray there hazelnut orchard floor and trees even by plane literally 50ft. From the crops growing on the organic farm I work on.
Fascinating read. As far as I know conventional farming tills the soil as well. So wouldn't soil blowing away be an issuue there as well? Is there a difference in method of tilling?
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It's not that hard.
The sentences are manageable, and break frequently ebough to read like a conversational anecdote would.
@@ZealotOfStealMany conventional farmers use 'no=till' planting. The seed is planted right in the debris from the last crop.
"And yuppies love that. For some reason." He doesn't buy into it himself, but he knows what sells! This old farmer is also a good businessman.
I also despise how people equate "all natural" with good and "artificial" with bad. Cyanide is all natural
So is radium and radon
@@gmgz And uranium.
@@gmgzArsenic
Mercury (Liquid Metal Element)
Both are totally natural, yet they're both well known poisons.
All natural has long been shown a hoax, for sure
@@gmgzMeanwhile, steel, an almost completely manmade object, is a high quality alloy with a vigintillion and one applications.
So are vaccines.
Please never stop doing this. It's some of the best education I can offer to my kids.
Some great lines in this video: Our cheese balls were hand poofed by artisan elves up in the Keebler tree. So you'll feel like Popeye. And my favorite: You'll feel like Captain God damn planet!
Roger Horton needs to do If Financial Advisors and Wall Street were honest
Hell yeah!
That would be almost too awful.
Roger is so savage with organic foods (a relatively minor scam). Can you imagine how he'd rip into the financial industry, which bilks people out of tens of billions of dollars every year?
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I'm so happy that Roger got his own channel, it's the only channel that keeps my sanity
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What happened to Cracked anyway?
@@NoHomerS when Mad Magazine folded, there was nothing left for them to rip off.
@@NoHomerSCracked was bought out by a media group that gutted the budgets and that cost them Daniel O'Brian, Cody Johnston and most of the senior editors.. so the quality tanked hard.
@@NoHomerSthey have become 2013 Buzzfeed
I've never been worried about fruits and veggies, so much as sodium nitrite, high fructose corn syrup, cellulose, propylene glycol, etc.
The only best way to go organic is if you have your own garden, and I would absolutely recommend it if its possible where you are. Hell, it doesn't even have to be organic really, it's more a matter of knowing exactly what's going into your produce. Not to mention it tastes leagues better fresh off the plant! As an added bonus, if you become experienced enough after the startup cost of resources, continuous runs often come out cheaper than what you'd be paying since you can reuse the seeds from the last batch and just get another bag or two of fertilizer every now and then to maintain soil quality.
PS, if you opt in for composting, which I would totally recommend, see about the Black Soldier Fly and if it's natural to your area. They are some of the best decomposers in their larvae state, and as a fly they are 100% harmless since they drink nectar and pollen, which also makes them an excellent pollinator in addition to being incapable of biting! They also have a TON of additional benefits such as bait and animal feed.
I installed small composter last year - I do have ton of those fly larvae in there, they're crawling & eating so ferociously I can hear them when opening the lid 😂
I have chickens. They are great at making fertilizer. I also compost because I love the worms.
I tried to grow just Basil, in a warm climate and couldn't keep it alive...
I second this! After finding out how easy it is to grow cucumbers in my climate, I'm definitely avoiding store bought.
Bait? What the hell is that supposed to mean?
So happy this channel exists
As am I 💯
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Guy who hauled the treated sewage for wheat farmers said he would always tell the idots from Seattle " You shit we spread , send it back in your bread "
Love it 😅
I grew up on a farm where 90% of everything we ate we grew and raised ourselves. We used both commercial and natural fertilizer (compost), we saved all our chicken pig and cow poop and use it. I can tell you this for certain: All the food I grew up eating was far higher quality and tasted far better than anything you can get in a grocery store today.
You got to have it at peak freshness and without being shipped, too. That would have also made a lot of difference.
does that say something about the food, or is it more if a nostalgic childhood memory? you always hear people say that the food/tv/music/whatever was better when they were young. sounds more like people missing the time they were young, and projecting it in other things.
Growing anything yourself, and consuming it before it's been refrigerated/shipped, etc ... Is why it tasted better
Do you have that measured and quantified? or is it just a combination of childhood nostalgia and the fact that the product could be consumed earlier than if it was first shipped to a store and then bought?
@emilvennerberg4927 I got some fresh local chicken from my grocery store. It wasn't organic. It took on the flavor of seasonings extremely well as it was never frozen. The funny thing is I've had the same experience with frozen meat but it had been properly packaged and didn't spend weeks in the freezer.
Freshness is key. Proper knowledge on preparing meat for cooking is very useful. Under exposure to peanuts at a young age has lead to an explosive increase in peanut allergies. The last one just a fun fact lol.
I don't buy organic for most things. In fact other than the HEB organic breakfast bars(knock off nutri-grain bars) which taste delicious I typically don't even care if it's organic or not given the lack of regulation and the lack of scientific evidence. I do know diseased animals make for poor eating, and diseased crops are the same.
I am against the over abundance of high fructose corn syrup in nearly anything the can use it in as a sweetener... it's in nearly everything, including some breads lol
This video makes some very good and valid points (organic food isn't somehow "more nutritious," and the point about "natural" pesticides is well taken) but also glosses over the environmental harms of excess fertilizer use (e.g. the Gulf of Mexico deadzone), the public health implications of overuse of antibiotics in livestock leading to more drug resistant bacteria, and the ways hormonal manipulation of livestock impacts our bodies (e.g. certain dairy products contributing to precocious puberty).
I think the bigger key is distinguishing between snake oil/scare tactic sales claims and those with some evidence
It doesn't matter if the fertilizer is natural or synthetic, it will still cause deadzones. Organic farming does precisely nothing to improve on this.
The "overuse" of antibiotics is something that was more problematic than it is nowadays. I'll grant there is room for concern; however, when weighed against protecting outbreaks of deadly diseases from occurring, it isn't so black and white.
There is insufficient evidence that hormones in livestock lead to issues when consuming their products, especially since they are very rarely used and mostly banned in our modern era. Precious puberty was linked to availability of increased calories, not hormones in food. Roll the clock back 100 years and people were eating far fewer calories. Having consistently available calories triggers puberty to commence at earlier ages than in times when calories were more scarce.
Well, if you want to take it ALL the way to the base, you can also talk about the environmental damage caused by simply BY all those improved agricultural methods making people live longer, healthier lives (i.e., by contributing to population increase and cutting down on infant mortality and mass famines.) If the average lifespan a human would have in the wild is about 35 years, you could make the argument that that is how long we are SUPPOSED to naturally last, and anything we do that extends that is environmentally unnatural.
Grow your own food is the only way now i guess?
@@jonathanclemens3755 I grew up middle class back in the 1950s and 1960s. I didn't like meat (my parents forced us to eat it and whatever else they put on our plates) and my mother was embarrassed that I was thin. My two-years-younger sister loved meat (with the fat which made her fat) and hated vegetables. We would secretly exchange our food, her taking my meat and me, her veggies. She started her periods just as she turned 10; I did so at age 15 because I was skinny. So you are probably right.
@@b469bonly if the soil is safe. I know the town I grew up in where we played in the dirt and ate food people grew was found to be very toxic when they decided to check it before putting in a big development. They had to remediate down 3 ft before the building was started and this was only one part of the town. This town as well as several others along the US/Mex border have cancer clusters due to mining and manufacturing.
I've always said that if you want true "organic" food, grow it yourself.
Yup
Still not "organic" 😊
@@user-xh9df4sg1n 🤨yes it is...if you use heirloom seed and no chemicals anyway
@@user-xh9df4sg1n How is it "Still not "organic"" if you don't use any chemicals in your own garden? Grown from your own seeds (i.e. Heirloom or other not store bought seeds). And no, I don't trust Wal-Mart when they write Heirloom on the package.
@@jswhosoever4533 I mean water is a chemical. The line of what is a chemical and what isn't is completely arbitrary.
As someone with a PhD and BS in Horticulture he is 100% accurate. Organic is a buzz word used to get people to pay more for groceries and requires more inputs and resources than traditional agriculture.
Except maybe his claim that cancer has been on the decrease over the last 200 years. Not claiming it's the synthetic pesticides, just that it's a very misleading statement. You cannot look around a crowd and be convinced millennials and gen-z are healthier than how their grandparents were at the same age. Longevity has increased because of all the pills that can be prescribed to keep the people edging along, even though their health sucks.
@@Masterr59While I don't disagree, this overlooks significant diet and lifestyle differences between us and our parents and grandparents. On average people are living more sedentary lifestyles, and cooking for ourselves less, and eating highly processed foods. The health and obesity crisis is a multifaceted and complex issue, and in the grand scheme of things, natural vs artificial poisons and fertilizer matters very little in the grand scheme of things.
@@Masterr59 we use a lot less mercury, asbestos and lead nowadays. Plus better PPE, at least in first world countries. Health and safety is tedious, but even just better ventilation can make a huge difference to long term health of workers in factories.
@@robw3610you must have bought your PhD if you can't understand how glyphosate and the new mR-NA pesticides are dangerous......
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@@ZealotOfStealexactly - we've supposedly got rid of all the poisons now havnt we .....
How come cancer is through the roof rn now and hen you clown ??
You literally point it out but still don't see it!!!
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“Ohh, here’s a yuppie now…” I wish Roger had a ringtone 😂😂
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As a personal organic farmer and a former HazMat technician, I would much rather have BT (a harmless bacteria) sprayed on my vegetables than a repeated application of organophosphates to control caterpillars. I’d rather use harmless DE to control bugs than benzene ring organophosphates. My preferred fertilizer is bat guano and not the slightly radioactive phosphates.
"Organic poison is still poison." Love that line
Feels like a parallel to Quark saying, "If they'll (humans) buy poison (tobacco) they'll buy anything," from DS9.
Such a Fake statement...
Comparing nettle macerate to neonicotinoides...
This reeks of lobby washing. No facts, no number, no studies, just fallacies.
*Dupont laughs in cancer*
Your all such doops this is pure propaganda and you people look for every excuse to believe the poison you eat is just fine.
One of your best expose's yet. As a geologist I find it humorous that people believe 'synthetic' N-P-K fertilizer (good ol' 10-10-10 or 13-13-13) is "bad" and "organic" phosphate rock fertilizer is "good." The geologic fact is, mined phosphate rock is made of calcium phosphate. Phosphate rock deposits are ancient ocean deposits that precipitated out of sea water. It's what most of Florida sits on. Since sea water contains minerals and 1% of that is uranium, and since the atomic radius of uranium is very close to that of calcium, uranium will substitute for calcium in the atomic structure of the mineral. In other words, natural phosphate rock is naturally radioactive to some degree. In fact, the heavy use of phosphate rock to fertilize tobacco and the decay of the uranium to polonium which attaches to the leaves is the reason tobacco smoke is radioactive and therefore carcinogenic. However, during the production of synthetic fertilizers, the process removes nearly all of the radiation from the phosphate rock ore. This explains the large mounds of radioactive byproduct tailings from fertilizer plants that are between Orlando and Tampa. They are called Gypsum Stacks. They can't be used for anything (at least not yet) because the EPA considers them too radioactive.
Tobacco smoke is incredibly carcinnogenic anyway, I doubt the trace amount of radioactivity makes it much worse.
Chemical fertilizers come in a liquid form that is sprayed on crops, usually in excess, and when it rains that excess runs off into rivers and streams and causes serious problems. Stick to rocks.
There are thousands of chemicals in tobacco smoke. I am not a huge believer in the carcinogenicity of most chemicals. Rather, I think the background radiation we are surrounded by and radiated by is largely responsible for the odd malignancy forming. In fact I think that is the main driver of evolution. There is a study about cigarettes and cancer which stated that the tar in cigarettes, tended to collect at the bifurcations of the bronchial tubes as they spread out in the lung, and the polonium daughter products in the tobacco would stick there to the tar and radiate the tissue with alpha particles, eventually forming a malignancy. @@yannick7230
This is quite fascinating!
@@yannick7230exactly, and while people think of radiation causing cancer (and it does), chemical carcinogens are so much worse. Different magnitude of cancer risk.
It such a relief that companies always tell nothing but the complete truth about the product’s they sell.
I see what you did there 🤣
If you want truly organic fruits and vegetables, you have to grow them yourself. Big corporations ruin everything.
The term doesn't mean anything
sadly, most people don't have any space to grow any foods and people who do grow their own food don't always know what is in their soil before they start growing. You could be eating forever chemicals from your old garden.
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@@blondey3261 with current environmental pollution you cannot escape PFAS or other harmful things, yet it's still better to at least try to consume less of those 😜
[Edit] Couple of containers to garden can be held even without balconies 👍
I grow most of the fruits and vegetables i eat myself in my garden. And even i use synthetic pesticides, otherwise the produce would just end up rotting on the trees and in the ground.
I've ben a organic gardener for years and didn't even know! LOL. Didn't understand exactly what organic farming was. Figured it was pesticides free. Lot's of chicken poop mixed in the soil, will give you a great garden. Canned 20 jars of tomatoes this year.
Unfortunately the deer decimated my garden this year 😢
People tend to not know the difference between local grown which tend to sometime pick up flavors in the areas soil like wine or onions and organic which in my opinion just means we charge 10% more for the word
I grow as much of my food as possible after watching the reports about glyphosates contributing to autism and dementia. Then I seen a container of strawberries blended up and taken to the lab. The lab said there was enough pesticide in the strawberries to reapply the liquid to the field as an active pesticide. I figure I can lose a bit of garden to pests and disease and still be healthier. Just me. I got 10 bags of tomato puree this year. 😊❤
@@sinned6usi can taste the difference between them. maybe it's not organic but it's better tasting
I'm a organic consumer for 10 years now, I eat organic because It's taste better and I can digest the food without acid reflux and belly cramp. I have also a organic garden I use to grow food for 10 years. I know the paper work for the farmer is insane, but with bare-code tracker power by SAP software and order that can be cost efficiently. You have also the possibility to control mould with and copper and acetate (bicarbonate + vinegar) solution. For the pest insect, you have the birds, predatory insects, bacteria and some parasite insect for the pest insect. For the cord, a well grained land with underground pipe drains and a drop to drop pipe water system is the go to. If you have more money, you can have the robot weeder starting at 12 000 us$ to help with the weed control 24 hours 7 days a week to help if you can't find people to un-weed the land. For the fertilizer par, especially in the corn industry, you can decompose in water the corn plan and harvest the methane that produce and the fertilizer part will be in sludge and liquid part. I know, the best fertilization will by organic fed pig manure. For the cheater, the certify entity can test randomly, like the NFS certification, if everything is on spect.
As a Farmer that is both Conventual and Organic... It feels like printing money when we sell Organic crops as people will pay whatever you ask, its honestly highway robbery. 😂
"Don't they regulate this stuff??"
"They'll certainly pretend to!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I worked for an organic farm/charity and learned a lot about the science and reasons for things so I have a lot to say about how terrible standard commercial farming is, but yes the term "organic" has gotten all sorts of mixed up and is just a poor word to apply to things given its many contextual meanings. We can do better than mind numbing products like organic salt, a straight up inorganic mineral you literally extract.
And of course the salt has to be from the Himalayas (but actually from a different nearby mountain range, but who cares, it's still out there in the mystical "East"), and with rust in it so it looks special.
Don't forget organic cotton.
@bullfrogger1208 cotton is made up of an organic compound at least, and the label in that case means that the cotton was non-gmo, grown and processed without artificial chemicals etc, but I agree it is a stretch to use the term as a buzzword as broadly as that. Why not have a range of classifications that's more useful.
Organic salt is a real thing though. It just has nothing to do with food but ions , it is however abused by food companies to try to fool people who don't know chemistry terms.
What's worse is they don't use iodine , something many people are deficent in as the body does not make it and runs counter to salt-iodization programs many countries run because of high amounts of deficency in the population.
At least no anti caking agents there is some benefits to some people depending on which ones are allowed by regs but in general little point as the most common is potassium ferrocyanide which is good as potassium is the natural counter to some of sodiums negative affects and is another common deficency.
"Organic salt." LOL. Can't make this stuff up.
When he said "you'll feel like Captain Gdddamn Planet at the checkout isle" I lost it! I love this guy 💯
"Morally superior" did it for me ! 😂😂
Next up (I hope): if buying gold was honest and if staffing agencies were honest.
As to organics: helluva racket!
At 3:07 he might be referring to a famous organic fraud case that happened near me. Long story short: A nearby farmer was busted about 5 years ago running an organics scam. He was hauling in $300 million each year by labeling everything "organic," even though it wasn't. He hung himself rather than face federal prison and bankruptcy.
To anyone watching from the EU : this does not apply. Standards are actually upheld pretty efficently here.
While this is mostly true, what my gf and I have found is that food listed as "organic" more often than not does not contain the things she is allergic to. So like it or not, "organic" processed foods is how we shop, or she'd practically not be able to eat anything. (corn allergy)
Making your GF the exception that confirms the rule: organic is not better for everyone, it's only better for some people with very specific needs. Of course, the whole organic craze must be very convenient for your GF.
Organic food is 100% about not having synthetic fertilizers running off into streams and causing huge problems with algae. It works. Plus anyone who trusts Monsanto is foolish.
My kid has a legitimate non-celiac gluten allergy; when I was forced to eat gluten-free due to their incessant whining I discovered which parent they inherited it from ...
NOT life-altering for me, but definitely much better.
But "organic" carrots? Beans? Potatoes? That's just marketing.
@@a2falcone Precisely. If i'm just buying for myself, with no allergies, I just buy regular stuff.
I can't have soy. Lots of products use soy flour to be gluten free, soy protein to be dairy and meat free. Organic products use soy even more frequently than conventional ones and at a higher cost.
well, this is staggering; who knew there was so much corruption in the organic farming industry?
There’s literally corruption in everything. Especially the biggest money makers like “organic”, “all natural”, and when they say “no (fill in the blanks)”. It’s all a lie to make them more money.
@darthballs5637Pretty sure it's in Europe too.
Welcome to capitalism ...
The media often highlight politician corruption, but corruption is everywhere. Although I suppose some people see that as 'just doing business.'
@darthballs5637The usa has better food relation then the eu.
shortly after the "organic" label came out, I refused to buy anything called "organic" if it was at all possible. Even before they came out with the studies saying "nope, you get no measurable benefits from organic but a lighter wallet" I was just not having it. My objection was "oh, you call THIS lettuce organic...does that make everything else made of rocks and plastic? bite me. I'm not paying for your designer label."
I guess you missed the $16B in lawsuits over glyphosate giving people cancer or the studies where it sterilizes the microbes in the soil depleting the nutrients in the food.
Rodgers taking a dump in his corn field. There's a mental image i didn't need. lol and hes charging extra for the corn
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I love the videos you do. So funny, yet so alarming. Keep on shining a light & telling the truth! THANKS!
I can tell you indeed it IS true that *truly* organic food is better in many ways, but emphasis in truly organic (from seed selection, to dirt/compost materials, water quality, agrocultural practices. The colors are mich brighter, the products are bigger, the flavor is ridiculously better, the texture & even the nutrients tend to be higher. Part of it is also picking it at ripening not prior. But I've bought truly organic products from lifelong friends that practice all of the above & then some & i most certainly can vouch there's a HUGE difference. But again... it is not store bought, nor USDA Organic labeled... it is a close friend that I've known my entire life & have deep access/insight/knowledge of all the practices they put to use for their small farm products
Also, many "farmers" at the farmers markets don't actually own any farms, they just buy misshapen fruits and vegetables in bulk and resell them at the farmers markets. They don't know if the produce is actually organic or not.
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Some “farmers” market booths are just restaurants and taco trucks selling the same old Crisco-fried high-fructose-corn-syrup-and-soybean-oil-soaked crap from Sysco. Not all of them, though; it depends where you live.
@@Attmay Not in my area
Not true when I was working for the family farm. You couldn't sell unless you grew/made a certain percentage yourself.
working on a yogurt industry and testing the bio milk that taste worse, is way more fragile to pasteurisation and of course more expansive, i was waiting for that topic!
So to confirm what you are saying: you say the milk that taste worse is bio and pasteurized or is it not pasteurized? Also, would you consider non bio non pasteurized milk to taste ok or not ok? Thanks
dude stop with your made up nonsense
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@@xaviercruz4763 i mean by that it is weaker so « floculate » afte rpasteurization, we pasterize both « organic » (bio) and conventional milk
I'm a organic consumer for 10 years now, I eat organic because It's taste better and I can digest the food without acid reflux and belly cramp. If I got the bad effect, I know It's not organic even the label say organic and I don't by this fake organic produce anymore.
I worked for an "organic," and famous free range chicken ranch. I had to sign a non disclosure to be accepted as an employee. There was no free range and the feed wasn't organic. It was just another ordinary factory farm. The owners made a pile of money. There were never any inspections.
That's rather sad. Looks like cheaters do win. Really bad karma though.
I wish you could say who, but don’t.
@@rm3141593 when our government is full of cheaters, who is going to hold businesses accountable? We have to fix the root of the problem.
That’s sad to hear. I just bought organic free range eggs and was hoping the chickens were treated better, as I know it has the same nutrients as non organic eggs.
@@DaytonaBleach Research the farms specifically. Go to local farmers markets, local farms that accept walk ins and politely ask questions. Watch out for people selling conventional eggs (and other things) at farmers markets. It really is unfortunate that we have to go to measures like these to get good quality food. But that is your best bet.
Yeah, I've long known this about the food industry. The only thing that has come close to changing my mind has been the organic milk at my local grocer. I don't know if they just use a better pasteurization process or have a better distribution chain, but they have longer expiration dates and just taste creamier. Literally the only thing organic I'm willing to spend more money on.
There's different levels of pasteurization, and they probably leave more fat In the milk. Your average mega dairy skims most of the fat out to make things like butter, and fully pasteurizes it to ensure there's absolutely no risk.
@@Patson20 Thanks for the info! I hadn't considered it, but yeah. The big dairy producers WOULD skim off everything they could for butter and stuff. Now I finally know why regular store bought milk tastes "watery" compared to the organic brand I buy.
@@Patson20 The amount of milkfat left in the milk is stated on the packaging. They'd get caught if they lied about that. The longer shelf life and sweeter taste of many organic milks are both due to using a higher temperature pasteurization process.
It depends on the brand too.
I like the taste of Organic Valley, but I don't know how organic they really are, because I've never looked into it.
I have seen something about Horizon not really being organic, because they take advantage of legislation that says that non-organic milk can be labeled as organic if the farm is transitioning to becoming organic. What Horizon does is it has its farms farm non-organic milk for the period of time they are given to transition, transition towards the end, and then de-transition the farm afterwards, unscrupulously selling the milk then to other dairy brands until they can repeat the process again.
Organic is Ultra-Pasteurized. You can see it on the label. Gives it a longer shelf life and a nuttier flavor.
I love it when Roger says the word SUPERIORITY, it sounds great when he says it for some reason.
I’ve binge watched most of your videos and now I can’t walk down the street without second guessing the authenticity of any an advertisement I see…. Because it’s all to make money
The best representation of this is food advertisements, most of the time the food is either raw or fake.
1:13 "Despite making up only 1% of the food population..."
Because E. coli outbreaks aren’t that rare.
I used to subscribe to NatGeo magazine. Back in the 90's, they did a story about how family farms often saved themselves from bankruptcy by going organic. They could charge more because suckers are willing to pay more.
So much truth to be heard in this one. It is all about the marketing and packaging. Non-GMO wheat products and Gluten free Corn chips, I love the labeling.
I have been eating organic from my parents garden. Basically we just don’t use pesticides and the animals manure is also organic since we don’t give them (goats, sheep, chickens and turkeys) grains. Grass and worms is what they love. Scraps are used for composting that is also used as a fertilizer. I love it!!!
What are you doing with those creatures?
I think the argument should be made between a “Family Farm” and a “Factory Farm”. As the number of family farms has taken a huge hit from Corporate run Factory Farms.
More misconceptions. What is a factory farm. The largest farms I know of are "family farms " they are also incorporated.
@@mikes300 Don’t know how old you are. Where I live farming is/was generational with some going back to the beginning in the late 1700s. In the 1980 don’t you remember all the family farms going under? Where I live there is only a handful or more left of “family farm”. Not a mis-conception. Maybe they might have incorporated but the are small generationally passed down farms. Factory farms you know what they are don’t play naive. Happy Thanksgiving 🦃 & best wishes for the coming holidays.
I always believed that it's a marketing strategy to make you spend more..just cause it's "organic". It's my humble opinion that the only way you know if it's organic, is if you grew them yourself.
I love these videos. As someone that is in college for Biology and environment studies, this video is great! All the Honest Ads are. It's about looking objectively at these things and learning real facts and figuring out how we can change the system to force these places to stop lying and manipulating consumers. Love you Roger!
While I’m sure the claims of fraud and some others are valid, he dances around the nutritional value of the organic food and doesn’t mention taste at all. I could eat organic and conventional veggies and especially meat side by side blindfolded and I’m fairly certain I could tell which was which. I think suspending disbelief because it’s comedy and being entirely cynical about it is not as close to reality as being somewhat cynical about it.
@@Jackbarrany Taste is subjective, so it's hard to really use that as a qualifying factor over which is better on an objective scale. If we did, most vegetables would be classified as non-healthy as the majority of people, (particularly kids), don't eat vegetables for their flavor but more so because of the nutrients they provide or a perceived health benefit.
As for nutritional value, that would take some more in depth research than was present in this video for sure, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if "organic" foods are actually less nutritious as they have measures in place to ensure they're getting proper nutrients when grown, proper prevention for diseases, and they're far less likely to be bred extensively and genetically altered to increase the nutritional value.
There's also definitely a counterpoint there that some non-organically grown foods could be bred for "taste" instead of nutrition, lowering the nutritional value, of course, but like I said that would take more extensive research and in either case you would have to closely compare multiple brands. Depending on the brand you're likely to see some non-organically grown foods that are inferior in nutrients and that have dangerous chemicals when compared to organically grown foods, but you're also just as likely to find some that are more nutritious and with fewer health risks due to disease and bacterial prevention methods.
More than likely though, above all else, you'll likely find that that the majority of non-organic brands and the majority of organic brands have virtually the same nutritional values, but the trade off being that organic brands are two or three times the costs and you have to worry more about diseases.
As you said being too cynical can cause you to stray from reality, but so too can being too accepting of what companies literally trying to sell you their product are saying. In the end, anyone selling you anything isn't actually caring about your health or the benefits of their product. They're just trying to market it to you in a way that gets you to buy from them instead of their competition. What's more, mankind is always looking for shortcuts to feel superior or be healthier, so they are quick to latch onto anything promising to give them that, without doing any research themselves in either direction, or only doing surface level research until their initial impressions are confirmed.
Google Glyphosate.
@@Gamer3427 Taste is somewhat subjective, but we’re all homo Saipans and have a massive amount biologically in common so far as taste receptors and experienced qualia. Some people have actual deadened or unusual taste sensation when eating, but the majority seem to have similar qualia only differentiated by expectation, previous experience, and levels of openness and disgust (i.e picky eaters by nurture not nature). There’s a reason why some people are recognized as excellent cooks and chiefs while others self acknowledge they have a very basic and stunted taste. If one species of pepper has complex fruity notes with its heat, and the other of the same species tastes like a watery bell pepper with some heat, i think its really dismissive and postmodern to disregard that as “merely” subjective.
That greater pleasure and wellbeing is being experienced or is not, is an objective fact. Also, chances are if someone isn’t enjoying vegetables, it’s because somehow we got it into the culture that the way to cook veggies is steaming them with a bit of salt or raw.
reality is going to hit hard on this one.
I do grow a lot of my own veggies and... I do use commercial pesticides and fungicides, but I use them exactly as prescribed, and I do add a few extra days of quarantine on top of what is stated on the label. Not using them means you have quite a low chance of harvesting anything on that particular year.
I also tried using a lot of compost and manure, and I could never accquire enough (unless I buy it) to feed my plants throughout the season. It is never enough!
Basic mineral fertilizers cost less than the transportation cost of a truck load of manure (not counting in the price of the manure itself), you can pick them up by hand and throw them on the back seat of your car. When applied properly in early winter, they create an absolutely perfectly natural mineral content in the soil, without killing any microflora and micelium!
Being slow dissolvers, a boost feed mid-season takes you all the way to late autumn with perfectly fed and healthy produce.
Early autumn is also the time you could usually cut back on the pesticides and fungicides, as the threats have now diminished a lot.
Compost is still good though... Mostly for enhancing soil structure, any nutrients it has are pure bonus for a short while.
And compost and mineral fertilizers get along quite nicely :)
As a conventional farmer who sympathizes with organic, this video butchers a very nuanced topic.
Thank you for saying this :)
3:29 will be known as the best comedic delivery of the CENTURY!😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
1 word - Roundup
Linked heavily to the explosion of Celiac and gluten sensitivity in America after its intro to wheat prpduction
The truth is we don't know the long term health effects of experiemental GMO food or fertilizers
Organic is the way even with its flaws.
The lady at Costco was appalled that we were gonna go for Taco Time Tuesday, she proclaimed that she “only eats clean.”
It’s pointless to even try to talk to these people…
All To Often 'Fanatic" is associated With organic Preachers. & With Out cooked red Meat as well deteriorates mind and mental capacities.. But Junk Food/Beverages are a separate category of Definitions Maybe Healthy..........
A fellow Canadian of culture I presume
So what are you suggesting we do not care about what we put in our body?
@@Awaiting_YHWHs_ReturnNo he is suggesting that the woman does not actually understand what she is talking about.
She was at costco..... guessing she didn't see a cognitive dissonance
Amazing job, Roger, as usual. Keep them coming! This is one of the best channels on RUclips.
I used to work in a soil science laboratory, and I can confirm that soil samples from organic farms have way more organic matter, and are thus more "alive'' than conventional farm soil samples. So the rate of soil degradation is lower on organic farms.
I been telling people for years, d not trust them little Organic Stickers.
These groups market foods of all types that are covered with pesticides and toxins.
Let's not even talk about the imported giant sized grapes and China imports. People are still eating tilapia?
#follow the #chefs.
There's a middle ground to everything. Just take the best of both worlds.
That statement does not hold up to actual empirical, observable, quantifiable facts and it’s your vague opinion, on the topic of specifically nothing. What are you even talking about? @@OneWorldGovernment2030-yv3zc
You should have tested my soil before and after I started farming it. I am a small time conventional farmer. When I bought the land the soil was poor with little organic matter. With all the organic matter I have added in the form of "non organic" manure and "non organic" straw for my berry patch. Now the soil is chock full of organic matter. This is not an "organic" thing, it is a good practice thing. My guess is that the soil that came from "organic" farms were ones who took better care of their soil and farm, probably smaller farms like mine. Organic matter in the soil has little or possibly nothing to do with what type of sprays you use. It is more of a fertilizer source thing.
You make some very good points. I knew by chiming into this debate I was opening a can of worms, as there are a multitude of factors affecting the quality of soil. And since there is so much money to be made with the “organic” label, and since it is such a buzz word, the industry is not without its dubious players. I’m happy to hear you have good practices and have improved the quality of your soil. Furthermore, I am neither for nor against either conventional or organic farming. Both have their merits. I don’t mean to be too definitive about things, science is based on observations and testing, and repeating this process. I’m happy to re-evaluate my positions and you pose a good suggestion to test, affects of different sprays and fertilizer sources. @@silvesteramon2618
Reminder that organic just means carbon based
Nope. "related to or derived from living matter". Diamonds are 100 percent carbon but nobody would consider them organic.
@@GeorgeJefferson-h7w Ah, fair point.
My bad
I'm organic 👸🏾
@@lorech.8326 All good bro. Just need you to look it up next time because you could mislead some peeps.
@@GeorgeJefferson-h7w That's another meaning. If they meant "organic" in the sense of chemistry, that'd mean that they only use carbon-based substances. Those aren't necesarily natural nor healthier (they could be pouring diesel onto the crops and that'd be organic), and that's not what they mean. If the used "organic" in the biological sense (related to life processes), it would be nonsense, because all food is organic.
I said it once and said again they should write a completely absurd movie with roger as the main character doing what he does best.
As a medical professional with an in-law surrounded by hippies.... she recommends "colloidal silver" instead of antibiotics, and I met one of her influencing friends at a social gathering and she (not knowing who I am or what I do) happened to tell me "I eat organic. Nothing growing out of the ground can kill you." Without even blinking, I stated, "Except for the poisonous plants and mushrooms." She didn't speak for the rest of the evening. At all. Of course, I didn't even get to comment on E-coli contamination from any fertilizers or animal that poops nearby. (-_-)
Your in-law is right. Antibiotics, if used too frequently, nullifies your immune system. It tells your immune system that your body doesn't need it anymore because antibiotics will take care of it. The more you use it, the more you will HAVE to use it or else your body won't be able to fight it naturally.
Colloidal silver is antibiotic. It’s just probably only effective topically and not orally. I’ve used it to treat pink eye multiple times and to cure an abscess on my cat (flushing it daily with a medicine dropper). But, I’m not kooky enough to use it instead of a prescription for strep or something like that.
@@Chicken_Mama_85yet medical professionals prescribe antibiotics for viruses all the time and they do nothing but cost the patient more money...and possibly destroy gut flora and natural immunity.
Colloidal silver, AKA Smurf juice.
My sister in law talked high and mighty how she didn't eat "processed" foods. Literally as she ate a plastic packaged block of tofu. I laughed and pointed out her idiocy. She didn't say anything and kept eating.
There is a massive difference between highly processed and processed food. Tofu is very minimally processed. It is better if made by hand or bought from an Asian market who makes it fresh but it's not comparable to heavily refined/processed foods.
@@airaines I think the key point here is "plastic".
@@airainesYe, I'd guess tho most people in the west who eat Tofu probably don't go to their nearest, cleanest, bestest Tofu.
There's a reason it sells in the supermarkets.
Finally, someone saw what I saw about "organic" foods. I learned the hard way.
The crazy thing is any farm can say/label they are organic. I can spray with conventional sprays and label it organic, I can only get in trouble if I call/label the product "certified organic."
This is the case for the larger organic companies. Those that adher to the traditional ways try to keep it as natural as possible.
The fraud is huge
Uk - farmers markets at local high streets are full of resellers and mostly not farmers that's reselling they're own food.
As a Norwegian who has seen pctures and statistics of what the rivers ponds and springs where like before arteficial fertelizer came along/ there become so much of it. The biggest plus for organic in my book is the fact that you awoyd massive alge more or less epidemics in water that suffecate the fish and plantlife ending the biotopic cycle in that aria making it so I can flow down a river that 100years ago would have tiped my cano with fish and not even get a bite.
Penn and Teller did a show on organics years ago on thier show "Bullshit" and it was talking about the same things. My favorite is when they tricked people into admitting the non-organics did actually taste better.
the infamous banana. 🍌
#Kvetch!
@@Zebra_3 Yes, a very funny test, but it doesn't prove what most people think it proved. It DOES prove that we think we taste differences when we think we are tasting different bananas, even when we're not. It DOESN'T prove whether organics taste better than non-organics. Luckily we have real scientific studies proving that we can't tell organic bananas from conventionally raised bananas.
Only Roger can tell the truth in a way we like - funny!
If schools were honest they would teach you this 👉The Connections (2021) [short documentary]💖
Most of this is true however. I have noticed that with my own organic and chemically fertilized crops. I have noticed that the organic ones always last longer in the fridge. The don't 'melt' as quickly as the ones I use chemical fertilizers on. Also most of the synthetic pesticides don't work after we use them for about 3 years even on the same insects. But with the sunflower method we're able to keep them off the good crops and pick bugs off to feed them to chickens which is alot better and almost 100% free compared to the pesticides which cost alot in my country.
💯 Organic food is soooo much better, tasting and for the health of all life. It costs more bc of the government, not bc it is profitable. There are so many extra steps that need to be taken to be certified organic and the gov charges a lot to discourage healthier living practices. The food costs more bc they wouldn’t break even if they didn’t increase the cost due all the extra people, steps and fees required.
Love the video! Now do one about EVs 😂.
I have good news for you…
@@SigFigNewton In all honesty I like both but don't think one is better than the other. Alternative fuels other than just fossil fuels could help stabilize the markets and help but things come at a cost. I don't think EVs are the only future or ICEs are the only way to go. It all depends on each individual and how it would work for them. I'd rather have several options than just one. I think a lot of people don't like EVs due to the big push on them lately saying they're going to get rid of gas cars, and the EPA cracking down on the little guy versus going after the big polluters. I have family that own a Tesla and it's a nice car. Lots of torque, fun to drive but I prefer gas for right now. Might look at a hybrid in the future but time will tell. Maybe they'll make an EV that the consumers can work on/modify in the future.
@@Honest_Ads I can't wait!
I find apples often leave a weird foul aftertaste but organic ones don't for whatever reason. So I suppose whatever they put on apples is worth going organic to avoid.
They coat the non organic ones with a type of wax to help preserve them on the truck over long distances. Keeps em from rotting
Wash them scrubbing them a bit before eating them, like you should to to any vegetable you eat, dunce.
@@clgr1323 You think I don't already do that?
It may be vegetable wax. You can wash that off with soap and water.
@@mattlm64 but isn't wax "natural"?
This one's tough for me. I'm less concerned with what my food is doing to me personally, and more concerned with what the product's farming method did to the environment. I grow my own food. I buy from local farms run by people I've met. And for store bought products, I try to buy from companies that at least make an *effort* to not kill off pollinators.
WOW.... H0ow on earth do you do both? Do tell us how 1) you grow your own food while at the same time 2) you buy from local farms?????
@@williampawson5476 Im not sure i understand your... confusion? Derision?
I grow what i can, but its not enough calories to cover the whole year, and i dont raise any meat animals.
I have to buy my pork, beef, and other produce from other farmers in my area to cover my other needs. Sometimes we trade
This is why I advertise as being local, so you can see where it’s grown.
I hope Roger out lives us all.
@Honest Ads
They completely left out that organic takes 3X the amount of land to get the same amount of food. So we have to tear down more forests to make the same amount of food.
I try to buy as much as I can from small, local organic farmers whose apples have worm holes in them. That is how you know they're really organic.
Don't say they have worms, rather that they are "protein enhanced." Yeah, that's the ticket!
I legit cant tell if this is mockery or a true believer.
@@SovietReunionYTso you prefer the apples that are so full of pesticides no insect would ever take a bite? It's not even about the supposed health benefits, just compare the taste of any supermarket apple to the ones you can find in the countryside from non industrial farmers and it's not even close.
You completely missed the point
@@mikes300 no, I don't think I misunderstood the jokes. I disagree with some of the comments made in the video.
The day when I saw "organic baking powder" in the store I lost my religion.
Yeah because sodium bicarbonate comes in many different chemical formats 🤣👍
I just found this channel and it's amazing. Honesty, truth, and humor rolled up into one.
Those apples on Roger's desk may cost more but only because those are gluten-free lactose-free vegan apples.
I worked in one food factory in which regularly they would buy regular tahini and just stick a new sticker to sell it as bio product, boss was happy with easy profit
I'm a organic consumer for 10 years now, I eat organic because It's taste better and I can digest the food without acid reflux and belly cramp. If I got the bad effect, I know It's not organic even the label say organic and I don't by this fake organic produce anymore.
Cool fraud story, glad you did your part and reported it
I've been trying to get a definition of organic and nobody could give a satisfactory answer. I knew instinctively it was bullshit. That makes me morally superior.
We need Roger to create The Church of Horton so we can finally have peace and love on this earth.
Good idea. Give the Scientologists a run for the money!
@@JoseLopez-tk4tq Precisely!
I really can't argue with any of this. "For the love of money" drives men to do some of the most underhanded crap you can imagine. We're best off growing our own food and fasting regularly.
And the ones who love money love the ones who buy just to impress others. 😢
Ya crazy how propaganda works they tricked us out of self sufficiency into the so called "age of abundance. I prefer to call it age of productivity cuz we work 3x now, and breath toxic chemicals that make us stupid enough to wonder why our ancestor were so strong.
@@melaniem9433 and that is a truly sad truth.
Exactly! I'm not religious but I grew up seventh day Adventist and I can say they believe in fasting, clean eating, growing your own food, and having a day of rest.
If schools were honest they would teach you this 👉The Connections (2021) [short documentary]💖
Last season I grew plants out of the disgusting sludge of rotting plant matter I threw in a barel. The food that grew from that was the most delicious thing I ever had. One time I burried old meat next to my tangerine tree. The fruits that came from that were very sweet and juicy. All it takes is a bunch of rotting stuff, time, and care and you will have what "organic" feels like.
I'm surprised he didn't mention "organic" also means "no GMO", so plants that have been modified to require less pesticide, fertilizer, and/or water can't be used, despite the ecological benefits.
monsanto promised less reliance on pesticides with GMO crops turns out since 1996 we are using 10x as much pesticide than before. GLYPHOSATE is causing massive harm to our environment
Animals fed GMO foods get cancer and die. It's not good for us.
Yeah, because the pesticides are genetically built into the crops. Bugs will still try to eat them but die when the pesticide shuts down their nervous system.
We’re not bugs but what do you think that does to your nervous system when you ingest it?
@@Rainalot exactly.
GMO stuff requires way more water, not less. Stop buying industry propaganda and look at the Organic Consumers Association instead. Yes, there is corruption. Yes, not all organic veggies are really that organic, but you're still lowering pesticide intake, particularly Roundup. Every little bit counts toward long term health.
But he doesn't say anything about the chemicals used causing cancer, which is the real reason most people eat organic. Really want your strawberries doused with chemicals that required the farm worker to wear a hazmat suit? Don't think he mentioned RoundUp, either.
Take a food science course and you'll have a better understanding of all that
@DevinNixonDavis what will I understand? That the giant agribusinesses want me to believe that all of their chemicals are harmless so they can keep raking in the profits? Whether I take a food science course or not doesn't change the fact that the shill who made this video doesn't address the main reason people buy organic.
1:01 Well.... Considering the only way for us to get B12 other than from supplements is from germs in dirt, I would say it is technically healthier (As long as it still has dirt but even then we don't eat it with dirt anymore lol)
Honestly, not contributing anything to the world but good vibes is a lot more than most people do 😂
@NEVERmoreLenoreEVER yeah but a negative effect obviously...
@NEVERmoreLenoreEVER yes but isn't it way better having a little, good effect on the world than a great, bad one?
More honest history, please!!
@@SigFigNewtonCurious how you came to find out that they eat organic food and think it's safer and healthier in the firstplace. Generally, the only way one would learn this is because they felt compelled to talk about it in the first place, no?
@@SigFigNewton that has nothing to do with what he said, he asked for more honest history, which is a different series on this channel, please read before posting unrelated nonsense in an attempt to prove a point where your entire evidence is "cause my friend thinks so"
If schools were honest they would teach you this 👉The Connections (2021) [short documentary]💖
Don't forget the wooden crates, and dim lighting to provide a "hometown market" feel. It compliments the clever semantics and particular shades of green and brown
I thought they had to be non-genetically modified heirloom fruits and vegetables that grow from seeds produced by other fruits and vegetables for generations.
Some fruits actually taste better when you buy organic. But one thing I’ll never buy organic again is lettuce. I counted like 10 bugs in one head of organic lettuce once.
The bugs are the most nutritious part of the lettuce, do not chuck them out.