If the Ayaneo 2 cost $400-650 and the Steam Deck cost $1000, I'd be playing Ayaneo 2 right now and happily emulating up to 7th gen. But the opposite happened, and I'm not in the market for an expensive PC handheld. Great video!
Yeah the Steam Deck meets a near perfect balance of price and performance. Some of us are in the market for the best experience almost regardless of price. So I’m glad these are available, I’ll happily pay the extra money for the premium features and performance.
I wouldn't exactly say it's a balance, it's more like a steal for the performance you're getting. Someone finally introducing a low barrier of entry is the best thing that happened to the handheld gaming PC market, which expands the overall userbase and community (evidenced by porting SteamOS to the Ayaneo 2, if all handhelds were still expensive, there wouldn't be as much interest or demand for HW/SW mods)
@@gc3k the whole porting SteamOS to HoloISO is just because Valve hasn't released the official version. Valve's ultimate goal is to have SteamOS 3.0 available and working great on all devices, not just the Steam Deck.
the only reason I bought a steam deck was due to that price, it has given me the ability to have a portable PC and I can just about play every game I play on my desktop it gives me a throwback to the game gear and I like it.
@@David_Quinn_Photography that's why I bought it too, just to give handheld PC gaming a shot. Bought it, really enjoyed it for 9 months or so, but always was left wanting a little bit more. The Ayaneo2 for me fills that "little bit more" desire perfectly.
For the price there is currently on competition steam deck has set the bar paying almost twice as much for something similar is in my opinion a waste of money. There are more powerful devices on the horizon that won't break the bank.
Sure the Steam Deck is definitely the value champ at the moment nothing currently on the market can match it for a similar price . However Valve is a much larger company with much deeper packets then the smaller companies releasing these Windows based handhelds. With that being said Valve can afford to lose money on every single SKU of the Deck as hardware is not their only source of revenue. These other handhelds are much more expensive but they do offer more features as well as better performance. Weather that huge jump in cost is worth it is subjective. Even so l’m glad we as consumers have a choice as it’s only going to get better from here.
@@derickjordan2512 sure, at the very basic definition, the Steam Deck and the Ayaneo2 are similar. But in the same way that a Corvette and a Porsche are similar. They both perform very well, but one if clearly more premium than the other in the materials it uses, features, and overall quality. The Steam Deck is a budget handheld and it really shows in some areas, especially the screen. I'm primarily a handheld gamer, so for me a much better screen is easily worth a couple hundred bucks, the APU, hall sensor sticks/triggers, rumble, all glass front, USB4 is all a bonus for me.
Well said. Spooktober steam deck owner here and I agree no one should have a monopoly over anything because 1 single company will be allowed to get away with a lot more otherwise. Competition yields results that favor us consumers.
It's far sexier than a steam deck, but I bought the 64gb Deck for $399 and added a 1tb SSD for $140. Total $550. Hard to beat that value. I also added a 1tb sd card for and extra $100. So $650 all in with 2tb total. I'm happy enough with that.
@@TimmyTurner421 It wouldn't take a lot of games to fill up 2TB, if they're AAA titles, some of them are well over 100gb. 20x AAA games and you've filled it.
I think this Aya Neo company is going to be very successful if they keep this up. The Steam Deck is a better product for the price right now, but the Aya Neo 2 is a better looking design and more powerful. If it was $600-$700 instead of $1200, I'd get the Aya Neo 2 for sure.
Yes Steam Deck brought competition to the market which is good for everyone. But to be honest I don't see them being successful if they don't change something. By not working with Valve to put SteamOS on their devices natively I feel they're betting on the wrong horse, as there's no way they can compete with an OS developed by the developers at Valve with decades of experience in UI and launcher programming. You see how much even Valve is struggling to get something out that's polished and bug free, there's no way Aya will be able to do it in house.
Yes but I have yet to see a device which mimics the versatility of the input of the steam deck, most vendors/manufacturers simply settle on a standard xbox controller, which reduces flexibility regarding games you can play. The value the next gen steam controller inputs of the Steam Deck brings to the device is highly overlooked, but pc gaming simply is more than having an xbox controller and a touchscreen.
@@I_SuperHiro_I YMMV regarding the looks, but the steam decks touchpads bring a lot to the table when it comes to pc gaming, of course this depends heavily on the games you play. Btw. the d-pad and buttons are pretty fine, once you use them.
I ll happily wait for steam deck 2. The amount of control option you get with the extra button and trackpad is insane and i thing you really need these for portable pc gaming.
Gonna be waiting 5+ years, the valve index came out in 2019 and that's a vr headset so its outdated way faster than these hand helds and valve still hasn't announced a refresh this is gonna be like a console in terms of how it's handled which means long life spans
Oh my gosh yea. While the Aya Neo 2 has it's obvious performance and screen advantages, the Steam Deck has so much more functionality, and Steam OS is perfectly tailored to use that huge functionality with Steam Input, for each and every game. I regularly map the bindings for the back grips, make one track-pad a mouse, make the other a touch menu, map the D-pad to whatever, change thumb-stick sensitivity, and so on. The Aya Neo 2 is certainly more powerful, but it lacks that functionality i've come to view as absolutely essential for a PC-Gaming Handheld! That's the deal breaker for me. The Aya Neo 2 simply doesn't have as many buttons for mapping, and lacks the trackpads entirely. Even if Steam Input can be configured to map to what Aya Neo 2 controls do exist, it would be a far cry to the physical design of the Steam Deck itself. So yea, The Aya Neo 2 has a big performance and Screen advantage, but the Steam Deck has the Software and Functionality advantage. To me, that software and functionality advantage is even more important. For others, the raw Aya Neo 2 performance is more useful, but they will still find it a lot harder to map the bindings for games that have a lot of key binds. Atleast with the Steam Deck, you can make visual compromises to get performance. but with the Aya Neo's controls, what you have is what you have, and that's just super limiting for someone like me who has used the hell out of Steam Input.
I guess IT was Just a Matter of time, that other manufactures jumped onto the train after Sony and Microsoft developed their Videogame consoles using AMD Hardware
Until Aya Neo actually ship a model with Linux pre-installed (whether it's SteamOS 3 or Aya OS), then Linux will always be a second-class citizen on their devices (just like Windows is on the Steam Deck). I do wish Aya Neo had co-operated with Valve on SteamOS 3 to add any extra hardware support they needed (e.g. LED ring control, fingerprint reader etc.) rather than creating yet another Linux gaming distro that almost inevitably won't be as good as SteamOS 3.
I disagree running steam os beta on the ayaneo 2 is seriously exactly the same thing. I've used both and i see no difference. Actually on the ayaneo 2 more games work so I'd say it's slightly better
I think one thing worth noticing about the 6800U is that it offers far less performance than the Steam Deck when playing below 15W TDP (APU, not system total)... I don't know about you guys, but in case of my own gaming habits I seldomly modern AAA-games, and the ones I do play, I usually settle for 8-10W at a locked 30-40fps in order to achieve reasonable 3h of battery life (Like Cyberpunk and Witcher 3). Most other games I play run at anything from 1W up to 10W. And this is really where the Steam Deck is killing the competition in terms of performance. With that being said, if you are looking for a device you want to use docked, with a eGPU or connected to a wall outlet, the 6800U offers more performance and versatility
The head man at Steamdeck said the Steamdeck 2 is years away.The Steamdeck is out of date now.Two years from now,the Steamdeck will be a dinosaur.The Asus Rog Ally is the biggest flop in handheld PC gaming history.The Ayaneo is the one to get,but they have no customer service and they release devices way to quickly.
Im still going to stick to getting a steam deck. Might not be as powerful but at least i know it has valves full support from software to hardware issues.
@Ademir Avdić Neo 2 & OXP Mini Pro have a much better screen, more memory, more storage space & speed, faster card reader, better joysticks, lighter, smaller & in general much more powerful. I mean, SD is great for what it is as a budget handheld, but at only half the price w/ upwards of 2-4x less performance, especially in emulation its hard to recommend to anybody but people w/ strict budgets.
Valve can sell the Deck at a loss and make their money back through sales on Steam. It's the same tactic that console manufacturers have been doing for decades. Other manufacturers have to make a profit off of the device, hence the huge price jumps for a relatively small gain in performance. The AYANEO 2 might be the best handheld out there right now but that performance comes at a cost that, in my opinion, would be better spent building a desktop.
@Crazy McGee why would someone looking specifically at PC handhelds all of a sudden want to build a desktop? They are looking at handhelds for a reason. Just like it's stupid for people to suggest a desktop when someone needs a laptop. Regardless of how much more youre paying. I'll never understand why people say such things.
@@OC.TINYYY Because I made an opinion when looking at the price of the handheld versus the price of building a desktop. For the price of the AYANEO 2 an exceptional entry-level (or decent mid-range if buying a used GPU) gaming desktop can be built. Hence why I prefer the Steam Deck; it costs the same as a console while offering comparable performance and a larger variety of games to play. People like me say such things because most people can't spend (or justify to spend) that much money on a device. To use your analogy, why are entry-level and mid-level laptops selling far more units than ultrabooks? They offer 'good enough' performance and don't break the bank.
@@ThaexakaMavro There is a plugin on deck called Vibrancy Deck. It allows you to adjust the saturation of the deck whenever you want. It involves you getting something called Decky Loader installed which i highly reccomend. Comes with rne ability to load many plugins such as Powertools to boost performance, Vibrancy which allows you to change reds, blues, greens and yes saturation, CSS loader which allows you to load an RGB keyboard when offline and no the official steamdeck rainbow rgb keyboard cannot be used offline only when online. I reccomend trying them out!
I know with HoloISO not being optimized that a head to head FPS comparison would maybe be flawed, but I was still hoping to see you run a couple back to back Windows vs HoloISO benchmarks at the same TDP.
@@Prodbytocile yeah I know, it would be nice to have a little caption or something at least so we can see it in the same video. Guess I'm going to put together a little spreadsheet.
@@aenarra honestly with the new tools out there like the SmartFan and SmartTDP, I really don't have a desire to even install SteamOS on my Ayaneo2 now, I'm super happy with it as is.
Do you miss the Steam Deck's trackpads at all when using the Ayaneo 2? I've noticed reviewers seem not to mention that obvious physical difference when comparing the two devices. I think the trackpads are pretty cool, especially for things like creating custom radial menus in games.
I must be weird, but I had my Steam Deck since early in Q1 and I used the trackpads maybe a dozen times, and that was mostly installing mods and stuff in desktop mode. I tried to force myself to learn to use them by playing RimWorld and I just didn’t enjoy them. So for me the trackpads were pretty useless.
@@bnr32jason weird. I have the actual opposite experience. Shows how subjective it can be. Since moving to PC I've always found controllers feel clunky. And since getting a steam deck I've played about 130 hours of rimworld using the trackpads and I'm loving it. Whereas I swap over to a game like battlefield and I just feel the joysticks and clunky (not objectivly clunky I just don't like controllers). I even find myself using the trackpads for sniping in battlefield at times just for more precision.
@@HoneyTwee ew that's like enjoying touch controls over buttons or track pad on a laptop over a mouse, certainly there are use cases where it comes in being convenient sure, but when it comes to playing majority of games which is all that matters one likes to feel like they are actually executing things vs swiping and such just doesn't have that same feel, of course it's not as bad as touch screen on a smartphone, but u know what i mean nothing like the feel of traditional buttons dpad and sticks, plus it helps a device look sleeker and be smaller even while having a larger screen when u remove track pads, actually wished valve released a model without them but with an OLED instead, fingers crossed for deck 2
@@melxb don't get me wrong I know it's weird for shooter games. Definitely not the norm there. And I don't really like using it on shooter games either. It also feels clunky. But so do the joysticks to me. Just got done playing TF2 on the deck and I just can't get used to it. Joysticks and trackpad aren't for me when it comes to shooters. I'm gonna stick to mouse. But trackpad is slightly less clunky in my opinion. But for me, 80% of the games I play on the steam deck (FTL, into the breach, rimworld, frost punk, civilization 6, crusader kings 3) these would literally not be playable without the trackpads. What games I got that I could play without the track pads? Maybe GTA 5 and uncharted? Like I said first person shooters just ain't happening on a joystick for me. And trackpad is barely better. So it probably just comes down to what games you play on it. But a steam deck without the trackpads to me is basically useless. I wouldn't have bought it
@@HoneyTwee well that's why, like some of the rts games u named, u are more of a pc games specific/centric gamer, i don't care for those games at all, everything i play are multi titles on consoles as well, games where track pads would never really be needed or benefit for real...to each their own
Guys, this machine is not enemy of Steam Deck, but a colleague. So you don't have to rationalize your SteamDeck purchase or take a defensive stance. And the fact that you bought a Steam Deck is not a mistake by any means Both machines are great. Just enjoy ur handheld. 😄
Why would anyone need to rationalize their SD purchase. It is obvious when compareing them. The only reason to go for somthing like this instead is if money is literally not of concern
@@samgoff5289 Or the Steam Deck doesn't exist* in your region (Eg. Aus/NZ/Asia). *I note people are starting to scalp Steam Decks into the region but at a price higher than the Aya Neo 2.
I agree. For all of what you get, I think the $1k price tag is pretty fair honestly. Beautiful screen, 1TB, 6800u, hall effect joysticks, great form factor. For those willing to spend the extra money for a truly premium experience over the Deck, it's absolutely great. I'm glad to see more of these coming to the market!
@@bnr32jason I was thinking about getting the Geek as its a bit cheaper with similar specs. Question, is it better to run these handhelds with Windows 11 or without?
@@tomex1265 I think right now Windows will still give the best overall experience. If you want the Geek, be sure to get the purple model if you value the nice screen. When SteamOS 3.0 goes into full public release, I would recommend dual booting. That way you can use it for most games, and then boot Windows for games that need it. Yeah, AyaOS is coming as well, and that may be good, but it may also be garbage, we'll have to wait and see.
It may have more power but if am being honest with the price point and already owning a 512gb steamdeck I just don't see myself getting this. The lack of an easy way to open the quick menu isnt what turned me down. What did was the lack of the 2 trackpads since I use those a ton with my games especially the Super Mario Galaxy games and definitely cannot go back to not having them. But definitely packs more power and is nice seeing other devices run steam os. This looks cool though! If there wasnt a deck probably would have gone for something like this instead.
I would love to see how these handheld systems compare to last generation consoles. I don't know much about hardware but I'd imagine we're getting close to the systems running games better than a One X or PS4 Pro. Considering those systems are still the industry standard with the slow start to the current Gen, that is mindblowing to think about.
Thank you, I was trying to figure out how to do it while I had my Steam Deck docked, I was like I know they must have a shortcut. Is there a Keyboard/mouse shortcut for Steam menu or Quick access menu?
I have quickly become far, far too used to the touch pads on the Steam Deck. I mostly use them as a mouse for in menus or finer aiming and as radial menus for pulling up a bunch of extra inputs. It would be hard to switch to a device that doesn't have the touch pads now that I'm so accustomed to them when playing games without native controller support on a handheld device.
It's cool enough. I think the main draw for me was being able to play games portably without needing to commit too much. I'm really happy the Steam Deck paved the way for other people to get into the scene, and provided a baseline for products. I think I'd still be messing with the switch if all the handhelds were priced this way, because at 400 dollars Valve could release a better one and if the price is just as competitive I can keep up without really losing out. With the other handhelds I'd be pressed at if I made the right choice. I'm not sure I'd even be moved to buy a handheld PC without trackpads though. Not even because I always use them, but because old PC games pretty much need the extra buttons for skills and sometimes conversation. I don't think any other manufacturer is going to care about older titles too, though I'm still perplexed at why Valve cared to add an 800p display when all it's done for most people was make docking it a pain in the butt.
It was just found that the steam deck does not actually run at 15 watts. It actually runs at 18. The way AMD does the calculations is different between the two CPU’s which is why the steam decks total watts seems to be so high
I have a steam deck but I got win11 on it then I put steam into handheld UI mode of if I want it to be more like steam OS I mainly play my gamepass games and it works great
kind of starting to get tired of steam deck tourists on channels like these, to be honest. We get it. You have a steam deck, and for some reason or other you can't possibly imagine why anyone would ever want anything else in the world ever. But some people have been using and following these devices for the better part of a decade now, thanks. Actual question: As this seems to be running those extra cores to take up more power, I wonder if disabling threads helps with battery life?
I have some major complaints about this video: 1. As you can see on 2:18 battery reporting some crazy charge number, so it makes data about charge and power consumption (since it's calculating from charge) unreliable. 2. I can see that many youtubers are installing SteamOS recovery image/HoloISO on their devices thinking that SteamOS is some magical Linux gaming distro. No, it's not. It has no gaming dedicated patches, current SteamOS 3.3.2 has outdated video drivers and it primarily designed to be used on a Steam Deck, almost every its component like kernel, audio preset etc. are tuned for Steam Deck. If you really want to try some Linux gaming distro you should try Nobara which has kernel patched for gaming , most recent video drivers and many Linux gaming utilities preinstalled. Or just use stock Windows installations which has all necessarily software.
@@trevyn1016 50 people got it at $950, it starts at $1000 for the people buy it from indiegogo and hits $1100 retail. Early bird incentive pricing is irrelevant in a cost comparison as not everyone can get it at that price.
Which of the new premium/pro handhelds has the best rumble/haptics? This is the only thing I really felt the Steam Deck skimped on especially at it's size.
@@bnr32jason I bought the Aya Neo 2 , I did an unboxing on my channel. Since I unboxed it I played a lot of games on it and I tested rumble too as well as one "HD rumble" game (Forza Horizon 4). The rumble is significantly stronger than the Steam Deck (on medium setting, I haven't tried strong rumble yet) but it feels odd because it feels like it comes from the center of device. I downloaded Forza Horizon 4 just to test HD rumble (impulse trigger vibration) , the vibration does not come from the triggers like on an Xbox Controller One/Series controller however feels better (in terms of positioning and performance) and more like how rumble in general should feel. I love the device but Windows does make some things annoying and more time consuming. I have to play with the settings more but so far when it comes to indie or low power games like Stardew Valley I'm not getting the really long battery life I'd get on the Steam Deck but AAA titles perform better with a longer battery if that makes sense. Sorry for the mini review.
This is a cool project. Arch will give you full control of everything. I use it for pc and my handheld. I went steak deck just to try and support the next generation. I think windows on a mobile device is terribly clunky.
just a idea: install windows11 to a smartphone with snapdragon845(windows11 have drivers for snapdragon845) and mount a liquid cooler on snapdragon845 after remove back cover of the smartphone. Connect wireless keyboard mouse set and a xbox gamepad then do gameplay tests.
I had a similar issue on deck. It was when I was switching from beta back to stable update but had no active wifi connections on. It kept me stuck in a loop with a bootlogo and I couldnt do anything. So did a clean factory reset wiping everything and that seemed to work. There are instructions online for how to do so. Also preserving my data didnt work. The corruption was so bad I had to start from scratch. It wasnt able to grab the latest stable updates. See when you first launch a steamdeck on buy it normally prompts you to enter a wifi connection. However when switching from beta back to stable no such prompt exists basically hard locking you out of using your deck. Ive tried mobile teetering but that also did not work. Honestly I dont mind tbh since Im the kind of guy who loves installing software over and over again. If you are having a similar issue I feel bad but thats your only fix or send it back to Valve for a replacement. I would rather have a working device then a non working one.
I thought Holo os broke after the new update of valve with the dependencies how did you get it working? Did you already have it installed on the SSD before it broke was trying to install Holo on a amd laptop with Ryzen APU and Discrete Rx card and it just stops at the installing into squashfs ram during the install not sure how to get around that. To get it working as the platform should be fully supported 4600h w 56000m
Can you try out some games that run so-so on steam deck like Horizon zero dawn, Elden Ring and Forza H5? I wonder if a stronger chip will improve those games or if there are some issues with proton and the game engines they use.
i've seen a video about horizon zero dawn, and the dude tested alot and basicly its a poor port. He did manage to get nice settings out of it tho. On the steam deck
I have a question about steam OS. Does it act like a tablet when pressing the power button - you press it and the screen goes into sleep mode and the game/app receives a halt command (audio stops, cpu/gpu goes to idle, etc.)?
Yes, but almost. The difference is that the steam deck goes completely to sleep, it's more like a PC going to sleep but it's very fast. The difference here is that you can't keep audio playing while it's sleeping and you lose Bluetooth connections.
I have the Onexplayer Mini 6800U coming on Tuesday, too bad these won't be shipping until December. Can't wait to get some games loaded up on it and take it for a spin. I've seen quite a few videos of RUclipsrs talking about how poor the performance of Pokemon Scarlet and Violet is on the Switch. I'd like to see how these games would fare running under Yuzu on one of the 6800U devices, might light a fire under Nintendo's ass to upgrade their console if they see the games running better on an Aya Neo or the Onexplayer.
@@bnr32jason ...not really, more the fact it's a far more mature emulator? BOTW runs in the same resolution handheld on the switch as it does on the Wii U docked, and sure, LOD and other settings are different but there are a myriad of games on Yuzu with hiccups on PC. Emulation maturing is actually the reason handhelds can run the original Red Dead Redemption through an emulator, Yuzu just doesn't have the time in existence to be on the level of Xenia or RPCS3.
Steam Deck user here. While the Aya Neo 2 has it's obvious performance and screen advantages, the Steam Deck has so much more functionality! Steam OS with Steam Input is perfectly tailored to allow you to use the huge functionality of the Steam Controls exactly as you desire on a per game basis. The Steam Deck itself has much more physical options for key bindings, such as the back grips and the track pads, and the enormous options at your disposal for mapping everything. For Example: I regularly map the bindings for the back grips for useful hotkeys, make one track-pad a mouse with left click, make the other track-pad a touch menu that presents several options for me to click on, I map the D-pad to whatever, change thumb-stick sensitivity and response curve for specific games, and so on. The Aya Neo 2 is certainly more powerful, but it lacks the functionality that I have come to view as absolutely essential for a PC-Gaming Handheld! That's the deal breaker for me. The Aya Neo 2 simply doesn't have as many buttons for mapping, and lacks the trackpads entirely. Even if Steam Input can be configured to map to what Aya Neo 2 controls do exist, it would be a far cry to the physical design of the Steam Deck itself. So yea, The Aya Neo 2 has a big performance and Screen advantage, but the Steam Deck has a big Software and Functionality advantage. To me, that software and functionality advantage is even more important. For others, the raw Aya Neo 2 performance is more useful, but no matter what they will still find it a lot harder to map the bindings for games that have a lot of key binds. Atleast with the Steam Deck, you can make visual compromises to get performance. but with the Aya Neo's physical button layout, what you have is what you have, and that's would be super limiting for someone like me who has used the hell out of Steam Input.
really happy with my steam deck but it for sure needs a better GPU, any taxing game results in 40% CPU and 99% GPU usage and short battery life as a result
Honestly I watch these videos and just marvel at them *no pun intended because of the spiderman gameplay* Like being a kid in the 90's and coming from tiger handhelds to the game boy to the game boy color to everything else. Just thinking of the horrible graphics and sacrifices games needed to make to be able to have a portable port version of their game that are nothing like the actual game. To all the way of the current time and we have complete consoles in the palms of our hands to the point of not needing a portable watered down port now we simple just have THE game.......Sometimes the future can be pretty cool.
This device looks really good. Would definitely get it if I didn't have the Steam Deck already. The Deck is good enough for me though, when the Deck 2 ever comes out I will compare it with its competitors and look to switch devices then perhaps.
This is the sentiment I see from most people. I went with the deck as well. It’s my emulation station. Finally beating my old ps1 game catalog from my childhood. The ayaneo looks dope but the price and the windows base made me choose otherwise.
On their IndieGoGo page, Ayaneo responded that these screens do not currently support changing refresh rates. So I doubt we will see it in the future either.
Each of these windows handhelds have an oversized cooling solution and APU. If you are going to invest so much of the design around 28-35W, the device needs a larger battery. The ceiling is 100W to get on an airplane. Most are being packaged at 40W-65W in a 1.5-1.8lb handheld. 10W of battery is roughly 40 grams or ~0.09lbs. The designs have started moving to built in grips with a thin center. Fill out that center where hands do not go with a larger battery. If this 1.5lb 50wh handheld was increased to 100wh, we would be looking at just under 2 lbs. At 28W TDP, we are looking at about 40W system power. With 100wh, the device would last 2.5 hours. These companies need to be thinking more about how to be different than the steam deck. So far the advertisements are "we are not as wide." That is not a winning strategy. Comparing benchmarks at 1 hour of battery life is not a winning strategy. This is a niche market that appeals to getting the best device that is currently available. Give me at least an 8" screen, 99wh battery, more programmable face buttons, rear buttons, modular face buttons (user adjustable ergonomics). Work on making the motherboard/battery use replaceable. It could even be a thin/thick version with a larger cooling solution and fan with swappable back plates to appeal to more people. I don't want a new handheld every year, I just want to upgrade the APU.
Drivers on Linux are all bundled into the kernel. All aya would need to do is make sure that whatever hardware they have have drivers that are already bundled into the kernel. One of the beautiful things of linux is that it just works with most drivers right out of the box while still allowing you to tweak it if you want to.
No I think he just means 800p low across the board since that's what typically steam deck runs stuff good at. And ofc these devices have a way higher resolution than that
@@bulletpunch9317 no no, iPad Pro's native contrast ratio is 2000:1, when ignoring mini LED, mini LED would provide dynamic contrast ratio, that's something else.
So I ordered one and I was thinking. I have an external RAID and I was planning on getting an eGPU box. Could I boot windows off the RAID and use the eGPU in desktop mode....but run SteamOS on it for handheld? I think that would be the perfect setup!
Even if they were the same price, I'd still recommend the Steam Deck. I haven't used an AyaNeo myself so I could be wrong about some of this, but it seems worse in a lot of ways. Yeah, it wins out in raw power, but not in features or support. The two trackpads with haptics, the four buttons on the back, and the insane degree of customization you get for them and the rest of the controls with Steam Input make a big difference for both games and regular PC functionality in desktop mode. I can't imagine using the AyaNeo for non-game PC stuff. Also, the amount of support and updates Valve is giving the Deck is incredible. I don't believe in brand loyalty; I wouldn't be shilling Valve here if the Deck weren't genuinely one of the most consumer friendly tech products I've ever seen
@@3godzilla3 fair point. I was referring to games that are not on Steam or uses anti-cheat systems that only works on Windows. Most of the games that I have in my library have played surprisingly well.
I wonder why do they even want to release their own linux-based OS if steam OS is already there and they could just customize it for their purpose. It doesn't really make sense, especially when they are such a small company and they won't be able to pour enough resources to develop and maintain it (at least compared to valve).
I feel like the main selling point of this extra pricey device vs steam deck is Windows compatibility. Seems kinda pointless to install Steam OS on a $1000+ device when you can get the actual Steam Deck for much lower
@@mackw919 This has no trackpads. Some people like the trackpads of the steamdeck more to use as a mouse cursor. The right sticks dont always cut it. This may be more powerful but it isnt for everyone. Wrong to assume noone wants a steamdeck.
@@mackw919 No one wants a steam deck? Yet it’s becoming the most sold handheld system in a long long time? While devices like these barely crack the market unfortunately
The button/pad layout doesn't suit me, i feel like i could hurt my thumb when longplay with this asymetrical . The steamDeck layout or the Xbox360 (soft asymetric) would be better.
From a business standpoint. AyaNeo needs to space out their releases better and have more competitive pricing. The Steamdeck and ROG Ally are priced to compete and increase user bases by selling a significant number of units. The AyaNeo has the best design (in my opinion) but they are pricing themselves out of a decent market share. If they can find a way to balance performance and pricing they could move a significant more number of units. Using the capital for a longer R&D cycle. 🤷🏻♂️
Have you tried installing HandyGCCS on the Ayaneo via desktop mode on holoiso? On my Ayaneo air this tool mapped the Ayaneo button as the Xbox button, the Ayaneo show desktop button to the performance overlay button, and the Two buttons next to RB and LB to show keyboard/take a screenshot on holoiso.
Based on tpu charts,this rdna2 igpu is a bit better than rx6400 while rdna3 nxt year might be 6500XT class Maybe by rDNA 4 in 2025 we'll get gtx1080Ti/rx6600 APU🔥😏
No Overwatch 2 n MW2022??? Ya killin me Smalls!!! Make those two games a part of your benchmark section…if you wanted you could even through BF2042 in there too since it’s a rather harder MP game to play.
@@bnr32jason I’m saying that because of the price to performance there’s a reason everyone gets the steamdeck it’s because for $400 your not getting a better device I mean if your ok paying $1000 for the ayaneo 2 go ahead I’m not and so many like me aren’t either
@@sinceredtb3227 yeah, the Steam Deck is absolutely the value king, but the Ayaneo 2 is essentially better in every technical way. Of course Valve will have easier/quicker RMA support if needed, but as far as things like performance, build quality, screen quality, and other premium parts, it's just not a competition. Yeah it absolutely costs more, but to many of us, it's worth that premium price because of the premium parts you get with it.
They literally can’t get the price down with these features and performance. The only reason Valve can is because they can afford to lose money on the hardware and make it back in Steam sales. No other company can do that. I still think this is a pretty good value and that additional performance and screen quality really matters to me.
@@bnr32jason Thank you for explaining the current price differences to me, I just don't see myself buying a AYANEO 2 when I could just get a gaming laptop or desktop. The steam deck won me for price to performance.
@@Zero it's hard to compare a gaming laptop or desktop to a handheld though, so I'm not sure why anyone would. If you need a handheld, a laptop or desktop isn't going to meet your needs. If a laptop meets your needs, you don't really need a handheld. For me, I game A LOT handheld, so spending $1k on one for the best performance and quality possible is a no brainer. I had a gaming laptop before I got my Steam Deck, sold it shortly after. Now that the Ayaneo 2 will give me better performance and a much better screen, I sold my Steam Deck and will get this.
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If the Ayaneo 2 cost $400-650 and the Steam Deck cost $1000, I'd be playing Ayaneo 2 right now and happily emulating up to 7th gen. But the opposite happened, and I'm not in the market for an expensive PC handheld. Great video!
Yeah the Steam Deck meets a near perfect balance of price and performance. Some of us are in the market for the best experience almost regardless of price. So I’m glad these are available, I’ll happily pay the extra money for the premium features and performance.
I wouldn't exactly say it's a balance, it's more like a steal for the performance you're getting. Someone finally introducing a low barrier of entry is the best thing that happened to the handheld gaming PC market, which expands the overall userbase and community (evidenced by porting SteamOS to the Ayaneo 2, if all handhelds were still expensive, there wouldn't be as much interest or demand for HW/SW mods)
@@gc3k the whole porting SteamOS to HoloISO is just because Valve hasn't released the official version. Valve's ultimate goal is to have SteamOS 3.0 available and working great on all devices, not just the Steam Deck.
the only reason I bought a steam deck was due to that price, it has given me the ability to have a portable PC and I can just about play every game I play on my desktop it gives me a throwback to the game gear and I like it.
@@David_Quinn_Photography that's why I bought it too, just to give handheld PC gaming a shot. Bought it, really enjoyed it for 9 months or so, but always was left wanting a little bit more. The Ayaneo2 for me fills that "little bit more" desire perfectly.
I have a Steamdeck already but I'm glad these other handhelds exist competition is always a good thing we as consumers greatly benefit.
For the price there is currently on competition steam deck has set the bar paying almost twice as much for something similar is in my opinion a waste of money. There are more powerful devices on the horizon that won't break the bank.
Sure the Steam Deck is definitely the value champ at the moment nothing currently on the market can match it for a similar price . However Valve is a much larger company with much deeper packets then the smaller companies releasing these Windows based handhelds. With that being said Valve can afford to lose money on every single SKU of the Deck as hardware is not their only source of revenue. These other handhelds are much more expensive but they do offer more features as well as better performance. Weather that huge jump in cost is worth it is subjective. Even so l’m glad we as consumers have a choice as it’s only going to get better from here.
@@derickjordan2512 sure, at the very basic definition, the Steam Deck and the Ayaneo2 are similar. But in the same way that a Corvette and a Porsche are similar. They both perform very well, but one if clearly more premium than the other in the materials it uses, features, and overall quality. The Steam Deck is a budget handheld and it really shows in some areas, especially the screen. I'm primarily a handheld gamer, so for me a much better screen is easily worth a couple hundred bucks, the APU, hall sensor sticks/triggers, rumble, all glass front, USB4 is all a bonus for me.
Well said. Spooktober steam deck owner here and I agree no one should have a monopoly over anything because 1 single company will be allowed to get away with a lot more otherwise. Competition yields results that favor us consumers.
@@derickjordan2512 steam has money to spend but these small companies don't
It's far sexier than a steam deck, but I bought the 64gb Deck for $399 and added a 1tb SSD for $140. Total $550. Hard to beat that value. I also added a 1tb sd card for and extra $100. So $650 all in with 2tb total. I'm happy enough with that.
Wow you must've tons of games installed with so much storage being required
I got the base model AYA Neo for $750. I think it's a better value giving the performance boost. but that was early bird pricing.
@@trevyn1016 yeah no one is getting it for that price anymore xd
Same here. 👍
@@TimmyTurner421 It wouldn't take a lot of games to fill up 2TB, if they're AAA titles, some of them are well over 100gb. 20x AAA games and you've filled it.
I think this Aya Neo company is going to be very successful if they keep this up. The Steam Deck is a better product for the price right now, but the Aya Neo 2 is a better looking design and more powerful. If it was $600-$700 instead of $1200, I'd get the Aya Neo 2 for sure.
Yes Steam Deck brought competition to the market which is good for everyone. But to be honest I don't see them being successful if they don't change something. By not working with Valve to put SteamOS on their devices natively I feel they're betting on the wrong horse, as there's no way they can compete with an OS developed by the developers at Valve with decades of experience in UI and launcher programming. You see how much even Valve is struggling to get something out that's polished and bug free, there's no way Aya will be able to do it in house.
Yes but I have yet to see a device which mimics the versatility of the input of the steam deck, most vendors/manufacturers simply settle on a standard xbox controller, which reduces flexibility regarding games you can play. The value the next gen steam controller inputs of the Steam Deck brings to the device is highly overlooked, but pc gaming simply is more than having an xbox controller and a touchscreen.
I think it’s ugly af, has a terrible d pad, and tiny buttons, buts that’s just me.
@@I_SuperHiro_I YMMV regarding the looks, but the steam decks touchpads bring a lot to the table when it comes to pc gaming, of course this depends heavily on the games you play. Btw. the d-pad and buttons are pretty fine, once you use them.
@@werpu12 idk what is about the design, it just irks me lol.
I ll happily wait for steam deck 2. The amount of control option you get with the extra button and trackpad is insane and i thing you really need these for portable pc gaming.
Gonna be waiting 5+ years, the valve index came out in 2019 and that's a vr headset so its outdated way faster than these hand helds and valve still hasn't announced a refresh this is gonna be like a console in terms of how it's handled which means long life spans
Oh my gosh yea. While the Aya Neo 2 has it's obvious performance and screen advantages, the Steam Deck has so much more functionality, and Steam OS is perfectly tailored to use that huge functionality with Steam Input, for each and every game.
I regularly map the bindings for the back grips, make one track-pad a mouse, make the other a touch menu, map the D-pad to whatever, change thumb-stick sensitivity, and so on.
The Aya Neo 2 is certainly more powerful, but it lacks that functionality i've come to view as absolutely essential for a PC-Gaming Handheld! That's the deal breaker for me. The Aya Neo 2 simply doesn't have as many buttons for mapping, and lacks the trackpads entirely. Even if Steam Input can be configured to map to what Aya Neo 2 controls do exist, it would be a far cry to the physical design of the Steam Deck itself.
So yea, The Aya Neo 2 has a big performance and Screen advantage, but the Steam Deck has the Software and Functionality advantage. To me, that software and functionality advantage is even more important. For others, the raw Aya Neo 2 performance is more useful, but they will still find it a lot harder to map the bindings for games that have a lot of key binds. Atleast with the Steam Deck, you can make visual compromises to get performance. but with the Aya Neo's controls, what you have is what you have, and that's just super limiting for someone like me who has used the hell out of Steam Input.
Gotta wait atleast 4 yrs
@@ExZ1te probably when rdna 4 comes out then the jump will be quite massive form the original steam deck
@@ExZ1teI wonder how strong Nintendos new console will be tho
We better not forget to thank amd for their RDNA2 GPUs that allowed us to have this kind of handheld performance
I guess IT was Just a Matter of time, that other manufactures jumped onto the train after Sony and Microsoft developed their Videogame consoles using AMD Hardware
Until Aya Neo actually ship a model with Linux pre-installed (whether it's SteamOS 3 or Aya OS), then Linux will always be a second-class citizen on their devices (just like Windows is on the Steam Deck).
I do wish Aya Neo had co-operated with Valve on SteamOS 3 to add any extra hardware support they needed (e.g. LED ring control, fingerprint reader etc.) rather than creating yet another Linux gaming distro that almost inevitably won't be as good as SteamOS 3.
I disagree running steam os beta on the ayaneo 2 is seriously exactly the same thing. I've used both and i see no difference. Actually on the ayaneo 2 more games work so I'd say it's slightly better
I think one thing worth noticing about the 6800U is that it offers far less performance than the Steam Deck when playing below 15W TDP (APU, not system total)... I don't know about you guys, but in case of my own gaming habits I seldomly modern AAA-games, and the ones I do play, I usually settle for 8-10W at a locked 30-40fps in order to achieve reasonable 3h of battery life (Like Cyberpunk and Witcher 3). Most other games I play run at anything from 1W up to 10W. And this is really where the Steam Deck is killing the competition in terms of performance. With that being said, if you are looking for a device you want to use docked, with a eGPU or connected to a wall outlet, the 6800U offers more performance and versatility
The head man at Steamdeck said the Steamdeck 2 is years away.The Steamdeck is out of date now.Two years from now,the Steamdeck will be a dinosaur.The Asus Rog Ally is the biggest flop in handheld PC gaming history.The Ayaneo is the one to get,but they have no customer service and they release devices way to quickly.
Im still going to stick to getting a steam deck. Might not be as powerful but at least i know it has valves full support from software to hardware issues.
at 2x cheaper price including hefty SD card Steam deck in unbeatable
@Ademir Avdić Neo 2 & OXP Mini Pro have a much better screen, more memory, more storage space & speed, faster card reader, better joysticks, lighter, smaller & in general much more powerful.
I mean, SD is great for what it is as a budget handheld, but at only half the price w/ upwards of 2-4x less performance, especially in emulation its hard to recommend to anybody but people w/ strict budgets.
Valve can sell the Deck at a loss and make their money back through sales on Steam. It's the same tactic that console manufacturers have been doing for decades. Other manufacturers have to make a profit off of the device, hence the huge price jumps for a relatively small gain in performance. The AYANEO 2 might be the best handheld out there right now but that performance comes at a cost that, in my opinion, would be better spent building a desktop.
@Crazy McGee why would someone looking specifically at PC handhelds all of a sudden want to build a desktop? They are looking at handhelds for a reason. Just like it's stupid for people to suggest a desktop when someone needs a laptop. Regardless of how much more youre paying. I'll never understand why people say such things.
@@OC.TINYYY Because I made an opinion when looking at the price of the handheld versus the price of building a desktop. For the price of the AYANEO 2 an exceptional entry-level (or decent mid-range if buying a used GPU) gaming desktop can be built. Hence why I prefer the Steam Deck; it costs the same as a console while offering comparable performance and a larger variety of games to play.
People like me say such things because most people can't spend (or justify to spend) that much money on a device. To use your analogy, why are entry-level and mid-level laptops selling far more units than ultrabooks? They offer 'good enough' performance and don't break the bank.
That thing is beautiful. I love my deck but seeing the os running on that display makes me a little jelly.
Agreed! It’s so striking that it’s got my eye wandering where my wallet isn’t ready to stray!
the steam deck screen is fine but a saturation slider would be a nice addition
@@ThaexakaMavro There is a plugin on deck called Vibrancy Deck. It allows you to adjust the saturation of the deck whenever you want. It involves you getting something called Decky Loader installed which i highly reccomend. Comes with rne ability to load many plugins such as Powertools to boost performance, Vibrancy which allows you to change reds, blues, greens and yes saturation, CSS loader which allows you to load an RGB keyboard when offline and no the official steamdeck rainbow rgb keyboard cannot be used offline only when online. I reccomend trying them out!
@@toonzelda3353 yep, got that on my Steam Deck and it makes huge difference, almost makes it look like a OLED screen 👍
@@ThaexakaMavro even with a saturation plugin the screen on the Deck is still mediocre at best.
I know with HoloISO not being optimized that a head to head FPS comparison would maybe be flawed, but I was still hoping to see you run a couple back to back Windows vs HoloISO benchmarks at the same TDP.
He played most of the same games go check on the other videos
@@Prodbytocile yeah I know, it would be nice to have a little caption or something at least so we can see it in the same video. Guess I'm going to put together a little spreadsheet.
@@bnr32jason what was the synopsis?
Yeah, I’m curious too! My AyaNeo 2 is on the way to my house and want a comparison :)
@@aenarra honestly with the new tools out there like the SmartFan and SmartTDP, I really don't have a desire to even install SteamOS on my Ayaneo2 now, I'm super happy with it as is.
Do you miss the Steam Deck's trackpads at all when using the Ayaneo 2? I've noticed reviewers seem not to mention that obvious physical difference when comparing the two devices. I think the trackpads are pretty cool, especially for things like creating custom radial menus in games.
I must be weird, but I had my Steam Deck since early in Q1 and I used the trackpads maybe a dozen times, and that was mostly installing mods and stuff in desktop mode. I tried to force myself to learn to use them by playing RimWorld and I just didn’t enjoy them. So for me the trackpads were pretty useless.
@@bnr32jason weird. I have the actual opposite experience. Shows how subjective it can be.
Since moving to PC I've always found controllers feel clunky. And since getting a steam deck I've played about 130 hours of rimworld using the trackpads and I'm loving it. Whereas I swap over to a game like battlefield and I just feel the joysticks and clunky (not objectivly clunky I just don't like controllers). I even find myself using the trackpads for sniping in battlefield at times just for more precision.
@@HoneyTwee ew that's like enjoying touch controls over buttons or track pad on a laptop over a mouse, certainly there are use cases where it comes in being convenient sure, but when it comes to playing majority of games which is all that matters one likes to feel like they are actually executing things vs swiping and such just doesn't have that same feel, of course it's not as bad as touch screen on a smartphone, but u know what i mean nothing like the feel of traditional buttons dpad and sticks, plus it helps a device look sleeker and be smaller even while having a larger screen when u remove track pads, actually wished valve released a model without them but with an OLED instead, fingers crossed for deck 2
@@melxb don't get me wrong I know it's weird for shooter games.
Definitely not the norm there.
And I don't really like using it on shooter games either. It also feels clunky. But so do the joysticks to me. Just got done playing TF2 on the deck and I just can't get used to it. Joysticks and trackpad aren't for me when it comes to shooters. I'm gonna stick to mouse. But trackpad is slightly less clunky in my opinion.
But for me, 80% of the games I play on the steam deck (FTL, into the breach, rimworld, frost punk, civilization 6, crusader kings 3) these would literally not be playable without the trackpads. What games I got that I could play without the track pads? Maybe GTA 5 and uncharted? Like I said first person shooters just ain't happening on a joystick for me. And trackpad is barely better.
So it probably just comes down to what games you play on it. But a steam deck without the trackpads to me is basically useless. I wouldn't have bought it
@@HoneyTwee well that's why, like some of the rts games u named, u are more of a pc games specific/centric gamer, i don't care for those games at all, everything i play are multi titles on consoles as well, games where track pads would never really be needed or benefit for real...to each their own
Guys, this machine is not enemy of Steam Deck, but a colleague. So you don't have to rationalize your SteamDeck purchase or take a defensive stance.
And the fact that you bought a Steam Deck is not a mistake by any means Both machines are great. Just enjoy ur handheld. 😄
Why would anyone need to rationalize their SD purchase. It is obvious when compareing them. The only reason to go for somthing like this instead is if money is literally not of concern
@@samgoff5289 Or the Steam Deck doesn't exist* in your region (Eg. Aus/NZ/Asia). *I note people are starting to scalp Steam Decks into the region but at a price higher than the Aya Neo 2.
For me the problem is Rog Ally running Windows
Yes more neo 2 content . I feel this is the best so far
I agree. For all of what you get, I think the $1k price tag is pretty fair honestly. Beautiful screen, 1TB, 6800u, hall effect joysticks, great form factor.
For those willing to spend the extra money for a truly premium experience over the Deck, it's absolutely great. I'm glad to see more of these coming to the market!
@@bnr32jason I was thinking about getting the Geek as its a bit cheaper with similar specs. Question, is it better to run these handhelds with Windows 11 or without?
@@tomex1265 in my opinion no because amd drivers on Linux are miles ahead the way Nvidia drivers have always been stellar with windows and Intel combo
@@tomex1265 amd chips where always supposed to used on Linux 🗿
@@tomex1265 I think right now Windows will still give the best overall experience. If you want the Geek, be sure to get the purple model if you value the nice screen. When SteamOS 3.0 goes into full public release, I would recommend dual booting. That way you can use it for most games, and then boot Windows for games that need it.
Yeah, AyaOS is coming as well, and that may be good, but it may also be garbage, we'll have to wait and see.
It may have more power but if am being honest with the price point and already owning a 512gb steamdeck I just don't see myself getting this. The lack of an easy way to open the quick menu isnt what turned me down. What did was the lack of the 2 trackpads since I use those a ton with my games especially the Super Mario Galaxy games and definitely cannot go back to not having them. But definitely packs more power and is nice seeing other devices run steam os. This looks cool though! If there wasnt a deck probably would have gone for something like this instead.
I would love to see how these handheld systems compare to last generation consoles. I don't know much about hardware but I'd imagine we're getting close to the systems running games better than a One X or PS4 Pro. Considering those systems are still the industry standard with the slow start to the current Gen, that is mindblowing to think about.
You can use steam/xbox + A to bring up the quick access, instead of manually tapping the battery icon.
This also works with any connected controller ❤️
Thank you, I was trying to figure out how to do it while I had my Steam Deck docked, I was like I know they must have a shortcut. Is there a Keyboard/mouse shortcut for Steam menu or Quick access menu?
@@alphacompton yes actually! Ctrl+1/2 for steam menu and quick access menu 😉
@@igniuss Thank you! I wish Valve made that apparent somewhere
7:52 we saw this footage before in another video. I remember that guy who is messing with ETA...exact same video
I have quickly become far, far too used to the touch pads on the Steam Deck. I mostly use them as a mouse for in menus or finer aiming and as radial menus for pulling up a bunch of extra inputs. It would be hard to switch to a device that doesn't have the touch pads now that I'm so accustomed to them when playing games without native controller support on a handheld device.
Yeah that's super true
Aya Neo Next 2 will give you the touch pads on an Aya device.
It’s official: ETA “prolific content creator” PRIME never sleeps.
It's cool enough.
I think the main draw for me was being able to play games portably without needing to commit too much. I'm really happy the Steam Deck paved the way for other people to get into the scene, and provided a baseline for products. I think I'd still be messing with the switch if all the handhelds were priced this way, because at 400 dollars Valve could release a better one and if the price is just as competitive I can keep up without really losing out. With the other handhelds I'd be pressed at if I made the right choice.
I'm not sure I'd even be moved to buy a handheld PC without trackpads though. Not even because I always use them, but because old PC games pretty much need the extra buttons for skills and sometimes conversation. I don't think any other manufacturer is going to care about older titles too, though I'm still perplexed at why Valve cared to add an 800p display when all it's done for most people was make docking it a pain in the butt.
Aya Neo 2 with steam OS is basically steam deck pro...with additional inputs it would be perfect
not reaaly the same controls
It was just found that the steam deck does not actually run at 15 watts. It actually runs at 18. The way AMD does the calculations is different between the two CPU’s which is why the steam decks total watts seems to be so high
This beast is stupidly amazing, I don't even remember the last time I got this excited to receive a purchase 😁
I have a steam deck but I got win11 on it then I put steam into handheld UI mode of if I want it to be more like steam OS I mainly play my gamepass games and it works great
kind of starting to get tired of steam deck tourists on channels like these, to be honest. We get it. You have a steam deck, and for some reason or other you can't possibly imagine why anyone would ever want anything else in the world ever. But some people have been using and following these devices for the better part of a decade now, thanks.
Actual question: As this seems to be running those extra cores to take up more power, I wonder if disabling threads helps with battery life?
I have some major complaints about this video:
1. As you can see on 2:18 battery reporting some crazy charge number, so it makes data about charge and power consumption (since it's calculating from charge) unreliable.
2. I can see that many youtubers are installing SteamOS recovery image/HoloISO on their devices thinking that SteamOS is some magical Linux gaming distro. No, it's not. It has no gaming dedicated patches, current SteamOS 3.3.2 has outdated video drivers and it primarily designed to be used on a Steam Deck, almost every its component like kernel, audio preset etc. are tuned for Steam Deck. If you really want to try some Linux gaming distro you should try Nobara which has kernel patched for gaming , most recent video drivers and many Linux gaming utilities preinstalled. Or just use stock Windows installations which has all necessarily software.
I think most are using for the embedded system wide fsr which is a performance tweak that you'd otherwise have to config on other Linux os
I just could never justify spending close to $1500 for something like this. Price is what makes the steam deck so great.
If it’s 1500 it better run everything 3x as fast tbh 😂
It starts at $950
my thoughts exactly.
The ayaneo geek is $849.00 with the same 6800u processor and for early Bird was $749.00
@@trevyn1016 50 people got it at $950, it starts at $1000 for the people buy it from indiegogo and hits $1100 retail. Early bird incentive pricing is irrelevant in a cost comparison as not everyone can get it at that price.
AYANEO 2 left stick obscures the buttons lol
I'm really intrigued to buy this device but I just got my steam deck 3 months ago
Too late to the party...
Steam deck overall is still the king of handhelds my friend . You good 👌🏾
@@ALISHAPLAY10 indeed, I think I can wait for the next steam deck. Now that I'm about to complete the build of my 4090 pc
@@DrNoBrazil why? I pre-ordered at the beginning of 2022
Which of the new premium/pro handhelds has the best rumble/haptics? This is the only thing I really felt the Steam Deck skimped on especially at it's size.
This is the only one that has “HD" rumble, but I haven’t actually seen any of the testers talk about it.
@@bnr32jason I bought the Aya Neo 2 , I did an unboxing on my channel. Since I unboxed it I played a lot of games on it and I tested rumble too as well as one "HD rumble" game (Forza Horizon 4). The rumble is significantly stronger than the Steam Deck (on medium setting, I haven't tried strong rumble yet) but it feels odd because it feels like it comes from the center of device. I downloaded Forza Horizon 4 just to test HD rumble (impulse trigger vibration) , the vibration does not come from the triggers like on an Xbox Controller One/Series controller however feels better (in terms of positioning and performance) and more like how rumble in general should feel. I love the device but Windows does make some things annoying and more time consuming. I have to play with the settings more but so far when it comes to indie or low power games like Stardew Valley I'm not getting the really long battery life I'd get on the Steam Deck but AAA titles perform better with a longer battery if that makes sense. Sorry for the mini review.
Like seeing Steam OS working good on other devices.
This is a cool project. Arch will give you full control of everything. I use it for pc and my handheld. I went steak deck just to try and support the next generation. I think windows on a mobile device is terribly clunky.
Would Love to See if its possible to disable 4 cores of the CPU to save some Power for the gpu
Pretty sure you can park core if you're using windows and use project sbc tdp power tool
From a portable gaming standpoint, I wonder if this or the Asus flow z13 tablet would be better
just a idea: install windows11 to a smartphone with snapdragon845(windows11 have drivers for snapdragon845) and mount a liquid cooler on snapdragon845 after remove back cover of the smartphone. Connect wireless keyboard mouse set and a xbox gamepad then do gameplay tests.
Really though, you forgot the 'is'
😂 thanks for the heads up
My SteamOS on PC is broken. The OS decided to update and now it's stuck on "verifying Installation" :(
Better to wait for Valve to actually release SteamOS 3.0 officially.
I had a similar issue on deck. It was when I was switching from beta back to stable update but had no active wifi connections on. It kept me stuck in a loop with a bootlogo and I couldnt do anything. So did a clean factory reset wiping everything and that seemed to work. There are instructions online for how to do so. Also preserving my data didnt work. The corruption was so bad I had to start from scratch. It wasnt able to grab the latest stable updates. See when you first launch a steamdeck on buy it normally prompts you to enter a wifi connection. However when switching from beta back to stable no such prompt exists basically hard locking you out of using your deck. Ive tried mobile teetering but that also did not work. Honestly I dont mind tbh since Im the kind of guy who loves installing software over and over again. If you are having a similar issue I feel bad but thats your only fix or send it back to Valve for a replacement. I would rather have a working device then a non working one.
Out of all the 6800u devices, which one would you recommend
I thought Holo os broke after the new update of valve with the dependencies how did you get it working? Did you already have it installed on the SSD before it broke was trying to install Holo on a amd laptop with Ryzen APU and Discrete Rx card and it just stops at the installing into squashfs ram during the install not sure how to get around that. To get it working as the platform should be fully supported 4600h w 56000m
How does performance differ from the AyaNeo 2 running Windows compared to HoloISO?
That's what I was hoping to see, too bad.
Hello thanks for all the videos, I wanted to know for you wich portable device give the best gaming experience for the aaa games?
Can you try out some games that run so-so on steam deck like Horizon zero dawn, Elden Ring and Forza H5? I wonder if a stronger chip will improve those games or if there are some issues with proton and the game engines they use.
i've seen a video about horizon zero dawn, and the dude tested alot and basicly its a poor port. He did manage to get nice settings out of it tho. On the steam deck
I have a question about steam OS. Does it act like a tablet when pressing the power button - you press it and the screen goes into sleep mode and the game/app receives a halt command (audio stops, cpu/gpu goes to idle, etc.)?
No, downloads stop when locked
Yes, but almost. The difference is that the steam deck goes completely to sleep, it's more like a PC going to sleep but it's very fast. The difference here is that you can't keep audio playing while it's sleeping and you lose Bluetooth connections.
I have the Onexplayer Mini 6800U coming on Tuesday, too bad these won't be shipping until December. Can't wait to get some games loaded up on it and take it for a spin. I've seen quite a few videos of RUclipsrs talking about how poor the performance of Pokemon Scarlet and Violet is on the Switch. I'd like to see how these games would fare running under Yuzu on one of the 6800U devices, might light a fire under Nintendo's ass to upgrade their console if they see the games running better on an Aya Neo or the Onexplayer.
Nintendo isn't paying attention to any of these handhelds a single bit, not even the Steam Deck. They have no reason to.
Yuzu runs like dookie on low power AMD APUs, they actually still recommend CEMU BOTW as it stands a better chance of reaching 30FPS.
@@ALmaN11223344 the reason the WiiU version of BOTW runs better is because it renders at a lower resolution and has lower quality sound.
@@bnr32jason ...not really, more the fact it's a far more mature emulator? BOTW runs in the same resolution handheld on the switch as it does on the Wii U docked, and sure, LOD and other settings are different but there are a myriad of games on Yuzu with hiccups on PC. Emulation maturing is actually the reason handhelds can run the original Red Dead Redemption through an emulator, Yuzu just doesn't have the time in existence to be on the level of Xenia or RPCS3.
@@bnr32jason If that was valid, they wouldn't be dmca'ing videos about their games running on yuzu and other hardware.
$1100 more....It makes me laugh to even compare those two.
honestly lol for the price to performance the steam deck wins imo
Damn. $1100? No way? Yeah I'll stick with the SD. lol. I thought it was closer to $800. Wow.
Where did u see that? 1tb geek with the same specs as the neo 2 is €950 total.
Neo 2 1tb might be abt €1050 total
not worth it lol
Lol a $1100 is way to much for a handheld I get it’s hard to make but people won’t buy these things.
Steam Deck user here.
While the Aya Neo 2 has it's obvious performance and screen advantages, the Steam Deck has so much more functionality! Steam OS with Steam Input is perfectly tailored to allow you to use the huge functionality of the Steam Controls exactly as you desire on a per game basis. The Steam Deck itself has much more physical options for key bindings, such as the back grips and the track pads, and the enormous options at your disposal for mapping everything.
For Example:
I regularly map the bindings for the back grips for useful hotkeys, make one track-pad a mouse with left click, make the other track-pad a touch menu that presents several options for me to click on, I map the D-pad to whatever, change thumb-stick sensitivity and response curve for specific games, and so on.
The Aya Neo 2 is certainly more powerful, but it lacks the functionality that I have come to view as absolutely essential for a PC-Gaming Handheld!
That's the deal breaker for me. The Aya Neo 2 simply doesn't have as many buttons for mapping, and lacks the trackpads entirely. Even if Steam Input can be configured to map to what Aya Neo 2 controls do exist, it would be a far cry to the physical design of the Steam Deck itself.
So yea, The Aya Neo 2 has a big performance and Screen advantage, but the Steam Deck has a big Software and Functionality advantage.
To me, that software and functionality advantage is even more important. For others, the raw Aya Neo 2 performance is more useful, but no matter what they will still find it a lot harder to map the bindings for games that have a lot of key binds. Atleast with the Steam Deck, you can make visual compromises to get performance. but with the Aya Neo's physical button layout, what you have is what you have, and that's would be super limiting for someone like me who has used the hell out of Steam Input.
really happy with my steam deck but it for sure needs a better GPU, any taxing game results in 40% CPU and 99% GPU usage and short battery life as a result
My boy, it should be a better cpu, aya neo 2 and steam deck has the same gpu with different cpu
Honestly I watch these videos and just marvel at them *no pun intended because of the spiderman gameplay* Like being a kid in the 90's and coming from tiger handhelds to the game boy to the game boy color to everything else. Just thinking of the horrible graphics and sacrifices games needed to make to be able to have a portable port version of their game that are nothing like the actual game. To all the way of the current time and we have complete consoles in the palms of our hands to the point of not needing a portable watered down port now we simple just have THE game.......Sometimes the future can be pretty cool.
This device looks really good. Would definitely get it if I didn't have the Steam Deck already. The Deck is good enough for me though, when the Deck 2 ever comes out I will compare it with its competitors and look to switch devices then perhaps.
This is the sentiment I see from most people. I went with the deck as well. It’s my emulation station. Finally beating my old ps1 game catalog from my childhood. The ayaneo looks dope but the price and the windows base made me choose otherwise.
Cant wait for the loki
😭🤠🤣
Does the framerate changing work? Does the screen actually change to 40fps for example?
On their IndieGoGo page, Ayaneo responded that these screens do not currently support changing refresh rates. So I doubt we will see it in the future either.
Each of these windows handhelds have an oversized cooling solution and APU. If you are going to invest so much of the design around 28-35W, the device needs a larger battery. The ceiling is 100W to get on an airplane. Most are being packaged at 40W-65W in a 1.5-1.8lb handheld. 10W of battery is roughly 40 grams or ~0.09lbs. The designs have started moving to built in grips with a thin center. Fill out that center where hands do not go with a larger battery. If this 1.5lb 50wh handheld was increased to 100wh, we would be looking at just under 2 lbs. At 28W TDP, we are looking at about 40W system power. With 100wh, the device would last 2.5 hours.
These companies need to be thinking more about how to be different than the steam deck. So far the advertisements are "we are not as wide." That is not a winning strategy. Comparing benchmarks at 1 hour of battery life is not a winning strategy. This is a niche market that appeals to getting the best device that is currently available. Give me at least an 8" screen, 99wh battery, more programmable face buttons, rear buttons, modular face buttons (user adjustable ergonomics). Work on making the motherboard/battery use replaceable. It could even be a thin/thick version with a larger cooling solution and fan with swappable back plates to appeal to more people. I don't want a new handheld every year, I just want to upgrade the APU.
16GB version is enough for gaming/emulation on this device under windows?
Yea obviously
Drivers on Linux are all bundled into the kernel. All aya would need to do is make sure that whatever hardware they have have drivers that are already bundled into the kernel.
One of the beautiful things of linux is that it just works with most drivers right out of the box while still allowing you to tweak it if you want to.
Except if you have a nvidia gpu.
What do you mean "Steam Deck Preset" on Spider-Man?
Did they add a literal "Steam Deck" preset like Cyberpunk did?
No I think he just means 800p low across the board since that's what typically steam deck runs stuff good at. And ofc these devices have a way higher resolution than that
I got the 800p geek , I hope 800p will still be a nice screen . Because it still was not cheap lol
Supposedly it's the same screen that is on the Ayaneo Next. From the reviews I've read, it's a pretty mediocre screen.
@@bnr32jason oh that's not good lol
The LCD resembles tthe Ipad Pro's who's IPS contains a 2000:1 contrast ratio, so in most cases it would absolutely resemble an OLED, very very nice!
@@bulletpunch9317 no no, iPad Pro's native contrast ratio is 2000:1, when ignoring mini LED, mini LED would provide dynamic contrast ratio, that's something else.
@@bulletpunch9317 it's 1300:1 according to reviews
So I ordered one and I was thinking. I have an external RAID and I was planning on getting an eGPU box. Could I boot windows off the RAID and use the eGPU in desktop mode....but run SteamOS on it for handheld? I think that would be the perfect setup!
Will using steamOS on it bring more performance? Because I heard that it is a more optimized system
You can bring up that batter menu by pressing whatever the Home Button is + A.
Even if they were the same price, I'd still recommend the Steam Deck. I haven't used an AyaNeo myself so I could be wrong about some of this, but it seems worse in a lot of ways. Yeah, it wins out in raw power, but not in features or support. The two trackpads with haptics, the four buttons on the back, and the insane degree of customization you get for them and the rest of the controls with Steam Input make a big difference for both games and regular PC functionality in desktop mode. I can't imagine using the AyaNeo for non-game PC stuff. Also, the amount of support and updates Valve is giving the Deck is incredible. I don't believe in brand loyalty; I wouldn't be shilling Valve here if the Deck weren't genuinely one of the most consumer friendly tech products I've ever seen
So for the average person do you recommend buying an Ayaneo 2 and not messing with a Steam Deck do to the performance?
So what does after the sell support look like for these? They seem to be cranking them out and wondering what those on the first gen think
Hi ETA!. Does suspend and resume work in SteamOS on Aya Neo 2?
Best way to use a handheld! Loving steamos3
can you tell me what SSD is that
Does HoloISO auto-update from the menu in Game Mode like SteamOS, or do we need to flash every version from scratch?
No you should be able to update if you click update in game mode as Holo has rolling updates and whatnot
Have you considered checking out ChimeraOS?
This appears to be a better experience running SteamOS rather than the stock Windows it comes with. Minus the odd few games that don’t run.
"Few games" is an understatement. Like, 1 third of my library either plays worse or doesn't play at all.
@@3godzilla3 fair point. I was referring to games that are not on Steam or uses anti-cheat systems that only works on Windows. Most of the games that I have in my library have played surprisingly well.
I wonder why do they even want to release their own linux-based OS if steam OS is already there and they could just customize it for their purpose. It doesn't really make sense, especially when they are such a small company and they won't be able to pour enough resources to develop and maintain it (at least compared to valve).
What is the best gaming handheld in your opinion
Love your videos, why is the screen darker around the edges though?
Love the video
Can you do a video of the devices you actually use and play? Would be curious what makes the MVP in your library.
Hi, looks incredible that SteamOS is accessible with Aya Neo 2, but can you run a desktop mode?
I feel like the main selling point of this extra pricey device vs steam deck is Windows compatibility. Seems kinda pointless to install Steam OS on a $1000+ device when you can get the actual Steam Deck for much lower
No one wants a steam deck this is a more powerful system
@@mackw919 This has no trackpads. Some people like the trackpads of the steamdeck more to use as a mouse cursor. The right sticks dont always cut it. This may be more powerful but it isnt for everyone. Wrong to assume noone wants a steamdeck.
@@mackw919 No one wants a steam deck? Yet it’s becoming the most sold handheld system in a long long time? While devices like these barely crack the market unfortunately
@@davidcohen9016 they are still filling back orders
@@mackw919 still doesn't defeat the fact that people still want them
I have a question have you tried to install android so we can play marvel contest of champions or Mario kart Tour on the Ayaneo 2 or Air ?
The button/pad layout doesn't suit me, i feel like i could hurt my thumb when longplay with this asymetrical . The steamDeck layout or the Xbox360 (soft asymetric) would be better.
how many times you wash your hands just to make sure the handheld isn't dirty?
So SteamOS increases performance compared to Windows?
No, just that some games run better on one os compared to the other.
@@ricksmith4840 thanks. I wonder why it is so.
Why use vsync instead of putting the refresh rate of the display at 60 and limiting fps?
I miss this intro man
Give it an OLED, slap some more inputs in it, and I'd actually pay upward of $1000 for this. As it is, the Steam Deck just wins by default.
From a business standpoint. AyaNeo needs to space out their releases better and have more competitive pricing.
The Steamdeck and ROG Ally are priced to compete and increase user bases by selling a significant number of units.
The AyaNeo has the best design (in my opinion) but they are pricing themselves out of a decent market share.
If they can find a way to balance performance and pricing they could move a significant more number of units.
Using the capital for a longer R&D cycle. 🤷🏻♂️
Step do should collab with steam deck. Ayenos designs are gorgeous and their colour ways jfc.. rather than compete they should merge
Have you tried installing HandyGCCS on the Ayaneo via desktop mode on holoiso? On my Ayaneo air this tool mapped the Ayaneo button as the Xbox button, the Ayaneo show desktop button to the performance overlay button, and the Two buttons next to RB and LB to show keyboard/take a screenshot on holoiso.
Can you link me that tool lol I have holoISO on my air and those button mappings sounds like a dream
Does this man take a day off?
I remember that installing steam OS will erase the data on the device.
just wondering how to have both aya space and steam OS.
Really like the appearance and the performance but for basically double the price of the Steam deck.... it's a tough sell.
Bruh who is rocking with 64gb steam deck come on 😂
Regarding Injustice 2, there were issues with story mode video/sound, not sure if it got a fix or not.
Based on tpu charts,this rdna2 igpu is a bit better than rx6400 while rdna3 nxt year might be 6500XT class
Maybe by rDNA 4 in 2025 we'll get gtx1080Ti/rx6600 APU🔥😏
I only wish we could have +60wh battery on a smol handheld
Can we increase the scaling tho? The text looks so smol
No Overwatch 2 n MW2022??? Ya killin me Smalls!!! Make those two games a part of your benchmark section…if you wanted you could even through BF2042 in there too since it’s a rather harder MP game to play.
What is the model of your external ssd?
Yeah the steam deck is just better I can’t wait to get one
You don’t even have a Steam Decl yet you are saying that it’s absolutely better? In some ways it’s better, in some ways it’s worse.
@@bnr32jason I’m saying that because of the price to performance there’s a reason everyone gets the steamdeck it’s because for $400 your not getting a better device I mean if your ok paying $1000 for the ayaneo 2 go ahead I’m not and so many like me aren’t either
@@sinceredtb3227 yeah, the Steam Deck is absolutely the value king, but the Ayaneo 2 is essentially better in every technical way. Of course Valve will have easier/quicker RMA support if needed, but as far as things like performance, build quality, screen quality, and other premium parts, it's just not a competition. Yeah it absolutely costs more, but to many of us, it's worth that premium price because of the premium parts you get with it.
How much is it though?
Starts at $950.
How did you install SteamOS on Ayaneo 2? I have ordered mine and expecting to receive it within a week. ;0
@ETA Prime, also do the games run faster/better on SteamOS compared to WIndows 11?
when is the ayaneo 2 coming out?
Great showcase, hopefully ayaneo gets the price down because otherwise the performance doesn’t matter at all.
They literally can’t get the price down with these features and performance. The only reason Valve can is because they can afford to lose money on the hardware and make it back in Steam sales. No other company can do that. I still think this is a pretty good value and that additional performance and screen quality really matters to me.
@@bnr32jason Thank you for explaining the current price differences to me, I just don't see myself buying a AYANEO 2 when I could just get a gaming laptop or desktop. The steam deck won me for price to performance.
@@Zero it's hard to compare a gaming laptop or desktop to a handheld though, so I'm not sure why anyone would. If you need a handheld, a laptop or desktop isn't going to meet your needs. If a laptop meets your needs, you don't really need a handheld. For me, I game A LOT handheld, so spending $1k on one for the best performance and quality possible is a no brainer. I had a gaming laptop before I got my Steam Deck, sold it shortly after. Now that the Ayaneo 2 will give me better performance and a much better screen, I sold my Steam Deck and will get this.