I just wanted to say thank you for your very informative videos. You do a wonderful job at explaining and breaking down the tech and uses of reels, rods and tackle. As a average angler who can't try out all the options and didn't know where to begin. Your videos have greatly helped me understand reels and a good brand to use. It seems to have a reel for everyone. Again thank you for all the information
In reissue there are many comments complaining that these two reels will be lower in quality compared to their predecessors, many are hearing noises like bearings almost being taken out of the boxes, it is no longer something of a few, there are already several comments
Very helpful video. I'm mostly throwing paddle tails and xraps on Florida beaches, think I'm going vanford but haven't held them yet. Liked and subbed. Thank you
I was in the fence on spending the extra money on getting the new Vanford but I think I’ll stick with the Stradic! I’ve got the 3000XG and was looking for a 4000 for a little more line capacity.
Have multiples of both the Stradic and Vanford. They are both great reels and will potentially last a lifetime if you take care of them (other than replacing wear and tear items). But having caught 100s if not 1000s of fish on each it all comes down to balance. On my drop shot setup i want the stradic as it makes my rod sit higher. For a fluke where i work it rod tip down, vanford all day. But some might like it the opposite way. Honestly just buy both!
I held the Stradic FM and Vanford reels this weekend. Because I'm less of a finesse fisherman and I like the idea of an all metal body, I'm a Stradic FM fan. One thing, I noticed that the 3000 series in both seems to have a small spool compared to the Daiwa BG 3000 I am replacing. The 4000 model FM seems to be closer to what I'm used to with my BG. The Stradic FM did not increase in price based on the model, unlike other reels like the Daiwa Tatula that do.
They use the same body for the 3000 and 2500 and implement a deeper cut spool for more line capacity on the 3000. That’s why it’s a C3000 which stands for Compact Body. Same with the 4000 and C5000
if i may, older Daiwa spinning reels use different sizing. Daiwa 3000 = Shimano 4000. but they have changed the sizing recently, following Shimano. Stradic is not an all metal body reel but it is quite a workhorse. Cheers!
@@3d3ist Thanks. I don't think I could switch directly from my Daiwa BG 3000 (2019) to the Stradic FM 3000. The Stradic just looks more like the smaller BG, maybe the 2500 or 2000 BG. I'd have to go with the Stradic FM 4000 because, I like the size of my BG 3000 and, I like the spool size. That spool on the Stradic 3000 looked tiny! LOL
Thank you very much for the quick comparison JP! Looking forward to see more of this quality content! I've bought the Stradic btw, maybe later for the finesse setup I will pick the Vanford FA. Thanks again!
Thanks for the video JP. I have a question regarding the previous version of Vanford, which I already have. Can I replace the drag system in the 2020 Vanford with the new drag system from the 2024 Vanford? Will it fit and work? Thanks again.
I haven’t heard of anyone swapping out the drag washers for the new Duracross ones or if they are even available as parts yet since they are so new. A lot of people put the felt washers in their 3000’s to get that smoothness
I've always told people that if you wanna focus on finesse bass fishing then go vanford. If you wanna do heavier duty fishing on heavier species with some bass on the side then go stradic.
@@wciii3591 On paper you won't see much. In hand is where you will feel the difference. Vanford start up inertia is very fast. The stradic is lagging a bit. I've heard on high stresses the body of the vanford bends at time. The stradic shouldn't due to being more robust and the material being sturdier. Is it a deal breaker no but to some it will be.
@@analog1229 yeah but it’s smart marketing - if you Google Stradic or Vanford, the only result you get is a Shimano reel - not some crappy car, blender or pair of jeans etc
Would you recommend for both freshwater bass and salmon fishing, a local guys says the stradic is good, but the vanford is a bit better cuz of the weight, I have a miravel and enjoy that but want an upgrade
How would an Exsence stand to these 2 reel as far as the tech specs? Since these 2 reels are newer does it mean that they are more advanced compared to the technology that was put into the Exsence in 2021?
Yes, both have more advanced tech built into them. Better drive train, better main gear and better drag washers. The Exsence will still have more bearings and have a lightweight magnesium body though.
There is a vanford 1000. I own one and you can find it online. It’s interesting, I’m trying to decide between vanford or stradic in 5000 size. I see a lot more vanford reels for sale on fb marketplace than stradics. I wonder why?
Probably old gen Vanford for sale with the new ones hitting stores soon. The new Vanford A is only available in 500, 2000, 2500, 3000, 4000 and 5000 sizes.
The stradic c2500sxg is my favourite reel. You might need to import it if its not available in your region though. By far the best small reel in the stradic lineup.
You want to be careful with importing overseas models in case you need reel rapid done as internal parts are often different and they do not stock them in North America. I have seen a a few people run into this issue.
The C stands for Compact Body. In other words, the entire reel is the same size on both the 4000 and C5000 but the 5000 will have a deeper spool that holds more line and typically a larger or different handle. Same with 2500 and C3000
Love Stradics in 3000 size. Have a 11 year old and 2 year old model. Just bought the 3000 compact Vanford and it is a gem. I prefer the Stradics on the slightly heavier 2-4kg, 7 foot rods and the Vanford for the ultra light 1-3kg 7 footers...horses for courses but i love the low inertia start of the Vanford. It is the king of finesse fishing for the money when on a light rod with light braid. But suspect as tight and solid as the Vanford is the Stradic might outlast it...not sure. Cheers
@@JPDeRoseOutdoors I have a Stradic FM 5000 that I l love. I was never a fan of the first gen Vanford, I guess that’s why I always bought the sustain. I haven’t seen or held a new Vanford yet but if you say it’s better than I take your word for it. I’m always watching your videos.
@@markdavid1479 Sustain is classified as a Core Solid reel like Stradic, Stella, Twin Power and Ultegra. Vanford is a Magnulite Reel like Vanquish, Twin Power XD, Exsence and Miravel. Magnumlite reels are all about the MGL rotor with faster start stop inertia and lighter weight. Stradic would be more comparable to Sustain when sticking with the HGN metal body reels.
Neither,.. I'm not parcial to spinning reels ,.. I have an educated thumb 👍 for casting conventional reels,.. I learn to cast conventional reels at a very youg age ,.. didnt know what spinning reel was until I was 8, I'm 64 now and they looked so alien and strange to me because, what the hell do you need a bale for... a baleless spinner makes more sense but still I don't prefer a spinner ... wheres the skill in casting a spinner ..???? Everywhere I fish, 99% of other fishermen use spinners and I ask,.. why a spinner ? They all say, "I cant cast a conventional reel" I do own a few high-end spinners but I never use them and theyre brand new in the box and never been used, to be honest , I'll never ever use them... its either conventional reels or fly reels and no bait .. not ever.. but for you guys that like them,.. please, carry on... I'm not disrespecting anyone using a spinner but for long distance casting whether tournament casting or fishing it will always be a conventional for me .. 👍😎🤙
Best detailed review about the A I’ve seen
I have both. The thing I notice most is when the weather is cold. The Stradic is cold and uncomfortable in my hand, the Vanford is not.
Because the stradic is aluminium and the vanford more plastic
Gloves
From Ontario Canada, great point! thanks. I was going Stradic till I found the Vanford on sale for the same price. Now Im glad I did.
I just wanted to say thank you for your very informative videos. You do a wonderful job at explaining and breaking down the tech and uses of reels, rods and tackle.
As a average angler who can't try out all the options and didn't know where to begin. Your videos have greatly helped me understand reels and a good brand to use. It seems to have a reel for everyone. Again thank you for all the information
Glad it helped!
Best review of these 2 reels on YT. I have the Stradic 2500 and love it. Only trouble now is I want both in multiple sizes.🤑 Cheers from Australia.
I really wish they made slower gear ratios. Realing fast is easy. Slowing down is a pain
In reissue there are many comments complaining that these two reels will be lower in quality compared to their predecessors, many are hearing noises like bearings almost being taken out of the boxes, it is no longer something of a few, there are already several comments
Great comparison/ explanation. Thank you 😊
Excellent explaination and review. I can enjoy your video while driving to work. Thank you
Love the videos, man! You're the man. It's always so informative.
Glad you like them!
Very helpful video. I'm mostly throwing paddle tails and xraps on Florida beaches, think I'm going vanford but haven't held them yet. Liked and subbed. Thank you
I was in the fence on spending the extra money on getting the new Vanford but I think I’ll stick with the Stradic! I’ve got the 3000XG and was looking for a 4000 for a little more line capacity.
You won’t go wrong with either
Have multiples of both the Stradic and Vanford. They are both great reels and will potentially last a lifetime if you take care of them (other than replacing wear and tear items). But having caught 100s if not 1000s of fish on each it all comes down to balance. On my drop shot setup i want the stradic as it makes my rod sit higher. For a fluke where i work it rod tip down, vanford all day. But some might like it the opposite way. Honestly just buy both!
Great explanation.
Hey JP, what’s your thoughts on the new Vanford C5000 being used for inshore (Redfish, Stripers, Flounder) fishing?
It will do really well. I still prefer an aluminum frame for hard running fish personally but I have fished reds with a Vanford with no issue.
@@JPDeRoseOutdoors As always, thanks so much
I held the Stradic FM and Vanford reels this weekend. Because I'm less of a finesse fisherman and I like the idea of an all metal body, I'm a Stradic FM fan. One thing, I noticed that the 3000 series in both seems to have a small spool compared to the Daiwa BG 3000 I am replacing. The 4000 model FM seems to be closer to what I'm used to with my BG. The Stradic FM did not increase in price based on the model, unlike other reels like the Daiwa Tatula that do.
They use the same body for the 3000 and 2500 and implement a deeper cut spool for more line capacity on the 3000. That’s why it’s a C3000 which stands for Compact Body. Same with the 4000 and C5000
@@JPDeRoseOutdoors Thanks! Do they do the C thing on the Stradic FM 4000?
@@robertbrost7777 ALL Shimano spinning reels on the Freshwater side follow that protocol
if i may, older Daiwa spinning reels use different sizing. Daiwa 3000 = Shimano 4000. but they have changed the sizing recently, following Shimano. Stradic is not an all metal body reel but it is quite a workhorse. Cheers!
@@3d3ist Thanks. I don't think I could switch directly from my Daiwa BG 3000 (2019) to the Stradic FM 3000. The Stradic just looks more like the smaller BG, maybe the 2500 or 2000 BG. I'd have to go with the Stradic FM 4000 because, I like the size of my BG 3000 and, I like the spool size. That spool on the Stradic 3000 looked tiny! LOL
Thank you very much for the quick comparison JP! Looking forward to see more of this quality content! I've bought the Stradic btw, maybe later for the finesse setup I will pick the Vanford FA. Thanks again!
So close, saw JP in the boat and was praying for a fishing video, one step closer from the backyard though! stop teasing us JP and get that lure wet
😂
So beautiful video sir nice information❤❤❤❤
Vanford ... no dought
Thanks for the video JP. I have a question regarding the previous version of Vanford, which I already have. Can I replace the drag system in the 2020 Vanford with the new drag system from the 2024 Vanford? Will it fit and work?
Thanks again.
I haven’t heard of anyone swapping out the drag washers for the new Duracross ones or if they are even available as parts yet since they are so new. A lot of people put the felt washers in their 3000’s to get that smoothness
@JPDeRoseOutdoors Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.
Looking to get my first reel for inshore and surf fishing in Southern California. For the 4000 or c5000 size is one better than the other?
For surf casting I would go bigger for more line capacity... the weights are almost identical so extra line capacity is never a bad thing to have
I've always told people that if you wanna focus on finesse bass fishing then go vanford. If you wanna do heavier duty fishing on heavier species with some bass on the side then go stradic.
I don't see much difference in them. The slight weight difference maybe.
@@wciii3591 On paper you won't see much. In hand is where you will feel the difference. Vanford start up inertia is very fast. The stradic is lagging a bit. I've heard on high stresses the body of the vanford bends at time. The stradic shouldn't due to being more robust and the material being sturdier. Is it a deal breaker no but to some it will be.
For that one, I think Sustain should be pick if the someone worry of flex in vanford...@@torment6369
I wish they didn't name it Vanford. I'm a Stradic CI4 fan. Love the content 👍
it's just a name bud...😁
It's a terrible name
@@analog1229no it isn’t?
@@analog1229 yeah but it’s smart marketing - if you Google Stradic or Vanford, the only result you get is a Shimano reel - not some crappy car, blender or pair of jeans etc
Would you recommend for both freshwater bass and salmon fishing, a local guys says the stradic is good, but the vanford is a bit better cuz of the weight, I have a miravel and enjoy that but want an upgrade
I would go Stradic for sheer toughness.
How would an Exsence stand to these 2 reel as far as the tech specs? Since these 2 reels are newer does it mean that they are more advanced compared to the technology that was put into the Exsence in 2021?
Yes, both have more advanced tech built into them. Better drive train, better main gear and better drag washers. The Exsence will still have more bearings and have a lightweight magnesium body though.
@@JPDeRoseOutdoors just wish Shimano US brought in the Vanquish instead of the exsence.
There is a vanford 1000. I own one and you can find it online. It’s interesting, I’m trying to decide between vanford or stradic in 5000 size. I see a lot more vanford reels for sale on fb marketplace than stradics. I wonder why?
Probably old gen Vanford for sale with the new ones hitting stores soon. The new Vanford A is only available in 500, 2000, 2500, 3000, 4000 and 5000 sizes.
Hopefully we'll see some crazy sales on the old Vanford
@@Nickporter17 Not sure how much inventory was honestly out there.. always a tough reel to get your hands on
The stradic c2500sxg is my favourite reel. You might need to import it if its not available in your region though. By far the best small reel in the stradic lineup.
You want to be careful with importing overseas models in case you need reel rapid done as internal parts are often different and they do not stock them in North America. I have seen a a few people run into this issue.
Having both the stradic kicks the vanford tot he curb. The vanford is lighter but whatever gearing they have gives resistance when reeling. Its weird.
the new Stradic and new Vanford both have Infinity Drive now... before was an unfair advantage to the new Stradic
Sir what is the meaning of C5000xg
4000xg study
The C stands for Compact Body. In other words, the entire reel is the same size on both the 4000 and C5000 but the 5000 will have a deeper spool that holds more line and typically a larger or different handle. Same with 2500 and C3000
does the 500 also have the duracross drag??
Apparently yes, I haven’t seen anything otherwise but will confirm.
@@ogbuke1 good news, all of the models including the 500 have the Duracross drag washers!
@@JPDeRoseOutdoors Thanks for checking! Was planning on putting a Nasci 500 on my ultralight trout rod but I just gotta have the new Vanford now :D
Do you know if the 500 is missing other features
Neither one,Twin power is my pick
Great reel. I wouldn’t choose it as my bass reel but Inshore without a doubt!
tp is nice but it can't compare to the vanquish..
@@kenglee88 isnt the vanquish a complete different reel feel? Light vs power
@@kenglee88yup
@@jwill227comparing Vanquish to Twinpower is more or less the same as comparing Vanford to Stradic
Make the new video shimano tradic sw B 2024
What rod are you using with the Vanford reel?
On that set up it was the new GLX 891S JWR
I went with the Stella FK. SICK Reel
vanford for lightweight
Love Stradics in 3000 size. Have a 11 year old and 2 year old model. Just bought the 3000 compact Vanford and it is a gem. I prefer the Stradics on the slightly heavier 2-4kg, 7 foot rods and the Vanford for the ultra light 1-3kg 7 footers...horses for courses but i love the low inertia start of the Vanford. It is the king of finesse fishing for the money when on a light rod with light braid. But suspect as tight and solid as the Vanford is the Stradic might outlast it...not sure. Cheers
Can't say no to Vanford
It's really hard to! lol
I use both reels😂😂😂😂
Line roller of sahara is much better this two...
Made in japan ?
No. In Shimano’s Malaysia factory
i will pass for new vanford, i will grab a Vanquish 🎤 drop.
Thats like saying screw my Audi, I'm buying the Ferrari...lol
Twin Power 24😂😂😂
Good grief , im going to make generic rubber worm and call them FFS worms and make millions.
Sustain
Not with these upgrade IMO. Maybe when they redo Sustain.
@@JPDeRoseOutdoors I have a Stradic FM 5000 that I l love. I was never a fan of the first gen Vanford, I guess that’s why I always bought the sustain. I haven’t seen or held a new Vanford yet but if you say it’s better than I take your word for it. I’m always watching your videos.
@@markdavid1479 Sustain is classified as a Core Solid reel like Stradic, Stella, Twin Power and Ultegra. Vanford is a Magnulite Reel like Vanquish, Twin Power XD, Exsence and Miravel. Magnumlite reels are all about the MGL rotor with faster start stop inertia and lighter weight. Stradic would be more comparable to Sustain when sticking with the HGN metal body reels.
Neither,.. I'm not parcial to spinning reels ,.. I have an educated thumb 👍 for casting conventional reels,.. I learn to cast conventional reels at a very youg age ,.. didnt know what spinning reel was until I was 8, I'm 64 now and they looked so alien and strange to me because, what the hell do you need a bale for... a baleless spinner makes more sense but still I don't prefer a spinner ... wheres the skill in casting a spinner ..????
Everywhere I fish, 99% of other fishermen use spinners and I ask,.. why a spinner ? They all say, "I cant cast a conventional reel"
I do own a few high-end spinners but I never use them and theyre brand new in the box and never been used, to be honest , I'll never ever use them... its either conventional reels or fly reels and no bait .. not ever.. but for you guys that like them,.. please, carry on... I'm not disrespecting anyone using a spinner but for long distance casting whether tournament casting or fishing it will always be a conventional for me ..
👍😎🤙
To each their own dude!
Dude you don’t need any spinning reels - just a mirror
@mmmbass6068 I guess that was way too much for you to handle...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
All that marketing bs