FIAT 500E First Drive: Will The World Famous Abarth 595 Hater Be Impressed?
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- I'm well known for not thinking highly of the FIAT 500 and its sporty cousin, the Abarth 595. Now there is a new 500, and it's all electric - it costs a lot more than the old one, and promises much - but can it convince a skeptic?
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Can i just say that i still think the headlight design is one of the coolest details out there atm? I love how they continued the circle on the hood. They could have easily removed the upper light part and make it look angry like everybody else, but they didnt.
I don't like that, it looks very feminine to me.
@@andyhowlett2231 and because of people like you every car looks angry and constipated now.
@@andyhowlett2231 a fiat 500 looking feminine? No way, thats crazy!
@@Mr.Marbles OK, it looks MORE feminine!
@@andyhowlett2231 always has been.
USB-c is universal and license free. There are a lot of good reasons to have USB-C on both ends. For instance, it allows higher charge rate without and additional license. It allows better compatibility for charging laptops and other USB-C devices if it's USB-C on bSB-C is a wonderful thing.
Yeah stopped watching when he said that... Utterly clueless.. Its like saying "no need for fast charge on ur EV". But he also comes off robot like.. Laundry list of pros/cons and no feel...
I noticed that as well yeah, but USB C to C is still a thing that needs to become more common before it's as widely accepted as USB A is.
The fact car makers are adding it are a huge bonus imho because it incentivises more USB C to C cables and use as they are. In the end, for consumers the ports are simply smaller and easier to plug in as they can't be plugged in the wrong way.
@@Too1998Many of us have older devices which we’ve no intention of replacing anytime soon. So cars which are USB-C only have a redundant feature and is missing one I’ve used most days for many years.
@@GT380man Considering many older phones and tablets don't have the longest lifespan, I don't think Micro USB is the thing here though.
More likely Apple's lightning port. Give it all enough time though and the issue will dissipate :)
Edit:
And if your device already has USB C, then using a type C to C cable is not too difficult as one of those cables are about 20 euro's, maybe 15 pounds if you want a decent one. Should be fine, right?
My wife has one (replaced her Abarth 595!) and I actually really like driving it. Very relaxing and I use it now for all my local driving. Helped that we can get Fiats through a friends and family scheme and we snuck in under the more generous government grant system.
I test drove one of these last December and was so impressed that I immediately placed an order for the Passion version in rose gold with graphite alloys. I got a small discount (paid under £25K) and the car arrived two weeks later. I've driven it in one pedal range mode for the last 7 months and get between 4 and 5 miles per Kilowatt hour. It is a great all-rounder and equally capable in town, country roads or motorways with good handling and plenty of power. Fiat have got it right with this one.
Somehow this car doesn't give me "plenty of power" vibes phaha, but either way enjoy your car madam 👍
The circuit on top of the old fiat factory is so cool
It has recently become a public park. The straights are now narrower, twistier and surrounded by a garden
If you like cars and movies - watch the original Italian Job.
There’s a scene on the roof.
@@JK061996It’s a shame that it’s no longer part of a factory. Given people still buy cars, it’s inexplicable to me that a car factory isn’t considered a really durable thing.
I know it closed for car making 40 years ago.
I realise that each new car requires substantial changes to production facilities but in the end they need a building to house the line.
There’ll be a good reason why it closed. I wouldn’t be surprised if that reason was little to do with car manufacturing.
I had one of these as a courtesy car and was really pleasantly surprised by it. When they've depreciated to about £22k or so, they'll be a great little bargain. Funny, I was looking to see if any of my favourite automotive RUclipsrs had done a review on it and this video was in my sub box! Great review as always James. Cheers
It's just too expensive for what it is. It says something that they still have and will keep on producing the old model! The lack of colour choices is just baffling, especially since with the old generation it was a huge selling point of the car that you could customize a cheap car in so many colours inside and out!
Just another seven years and you won't have a choice. 😞
Well apart from Tesla being pure electric everyone is typically selling petrol counterparts still. But I totally agree with you that they've really missed the mark with the colour combinations and the pricing is too high
Evs are to expensive in comparision to ice cars, who in their right mind would spend +30000 on a fiat 500.
Spend £30,000 to save £8 a week….lol I don’t think so.
@@modmod392 - most people getting into EV’s aren’t dropping the full cash price on them. Getting an EV makes sense on a company scheme because they are cheaper
7:27 to be fair "unmatched" just means that you won't find anything that sounds "exactly the same". It doesn't mean that it will be better, it just implies that it might be. If it's terrible in comparison, that's still "ummatched", the lawyers will be proud of that one.
love it
It's like how I describe my car as unique, sure there are tens of thousands of the same model in the same trim but nobody has got the same collection of dents, scratches and faults.
I’ve just got one of these as a run around and really rate it, it’s a lot of fun. The range did start much cheaper last year. When it was introduced there was a £19,995 smaller battery car that was only a few grand more than the equivalent piston 500. Recently they’ve switched to only offering the top two trims - i guess with the shortage of components they’re maxing out their margins on what they can build.
Had mine for nearly a year and love it! I find if quick enough, economical enough and smiles per mile, priceless! Ride on smaller wheels makes the ride a lot smoother…
One of the best reviews I’ve seen, cheers😉
You hit the nail on the head. £15K yes, £30K no. EV prices and totally inadequate charging sites make them a folly for me.
More quality content - thank you 😊
Cute and fun little car. I just wish it came it more fun colours. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
I've really wanted to see this review from you because of the reputation. Great video and review 👏🏼👏🏼
The car looks pretty cool. I like the way that you can have a smaller battery for cheaper, or a bigger battery that gets you a reasonable range.
A couple of nitpicks - charge rates are kW not kWh (that's a measure of total energy, which is why batteries use that as a unit), USB-C is going to be the standard at both ends of a cable very soon (if it isn't already), and you need to be very careful using a 3-pin plug to charge on a regular basis (they have been known to heat up the socket and melt stuff!).
Noticed that this is local to me, if you’re still in the north Fife region head back into anstruther, some of the best fish and chips the county has to offer, the Waterfront takeaway or the classic famous anster chippie are great, although the queue for the latter can be ridiculous sometimes
The isetta you reviewed a few months back was a video I showed to my partner as she absolutely loves old isettas, she drummed on about the time we ran down a cobbled street in Edinburgh to catch a glimpse of one, until we read the reg of the one you reviewed and realised it was the same car! He has an interesting fleet of vehicles himself, few bubble cars.
Keep up the great content and happy to see you visit my area for reviews, is always a surprise when I recognise the filming locations!
The sherpa mode connection to Sherpa must be the Sherpas important mission to administrate the pace, energy and resources to maximise the chances of reaching to the top
As a fiat owner, i heard you say “good car” and sincerely. “Quite nice to use” yea I’m taking this as a 5 star review 😂🤘🏼
Sherpa mode is for 'Getting you home' by eaking out as much range as possible.
I thought Sherpa mode was going to be a 4-wheel drive off-road mode!
Just managed 240 miles on the Zoe I'm borrowing as a courtesy car. Was amazed. That was mostly urban driving with about 50 miles on motorways. In ECO with "B" selected, this outclasses the FIAT. But, the FIAT just looks so much cooler and you can get it with a slide back roof. I wonder what others think of the comparison?
I had a Fiat 850 once. It was slower than Molasses! Almost died in it & still have a giant scar from Ralph Towner running the red light & smashing me head on! So this looks a lot safer & would be a rocket ship in comparison.
Love your hair JayEmm, looks sharp.
THANK YOU.
EXCELLENT.
10/10.
Regards.
I do fancy driving the 500e, the petrol 500's are a bit rattily. However I have seen these go way north of £30k (the convertible I sat in was circa £37k). I remember the days a 500 was around £11k
37k for a fiat 500 🤣😭 they must be taking the piss
@@srrjoel6924 I know I was in shock too! it was the convertible one though
@@srrjoel6924 They start from 29, it's a joke for a car like this. Aparently they still sell really well along with the electric 208.
Been owning one for a couple of months. Brilliant EV.
I hope they'll make a RWD/AWD Abarth version. Given the size of electric motors it shouldn't be too difficult
Great idea
Abarth on the 22nd!!!!!! Let’s gooo
It's been announced, but FWD
usbc It is designed to work in any orientation, carry between 15w and 100w of power depending on voltage which means 2X to 12X faster charging depending on device. This CAN ONLY WORK if BOTH ENDS are usb C. The extra power can charge many new laptops and all new tablets and phones . This means one cable can charge nearly anything connected either way round or upside down. Needs to be in ALL NEW CARS. NO EXCUSE.
Very helpful, thanks.
Where I have USB C, I like it a lot.
However, I keep my devices for longer than I keep some cars. So I appreciated the two ports, B & C, in this Fiat.
Losing the B port is downright inconvenient and it’s such a cheap component that including both for the next decade seems like a no brainier.
What I’ve done is fitted an adapter to the 12v socket so I retain a USB B port in my current car which is USB C-only.
I’ve always loved the Fiat 500 both ICE and EV 😊 small is where it’s at 🙌🏾
Minor point on charging nomenclature (edit for timestamp; 15:15), battery charge is measured in kWh, charging rate is measured in kW. The first is a measure of energy capacity, the second is rate of energy transfer (aka power).
In the interest of not confusing people, because the two terms are admittedly very similar sounding, please try to keep these two straight when talking about them in future?
Love the videos, keep up the good work!
He did though. He said batteries in kWh and power in hp (which has a direct conversion from kW)
5:56
@@Alejandro_BoniIIa No he didn’t. I can’t be bothered to find it again but, at one point James said “50KWh” when he was talking about the car’s ‘slow’ charging rate. These electrical power/energy errors always leap out at me too so I guarantee it’s there in the video somewhere!
@@Alejandro_BoniIIa timestamp added for clarity. Bit ironic given I was asking for better clarity, but hey ho.
Bit late today Jay 😉. Great review as always.
Great review.
It's a great looking car which, to be fair, is a miracle considering it was styled by a blind musician. You gotta laugh at that collaboration. Well done Andrea
10:48 Finally someone said it now this is proper motoring journalism
A fair review, though I must say literally no one other than car reviewers care about “scratchy plastics” on parts of the car you almost never touch.
Just viewed this for the second time as we are looking at one to replace the 500hybrid. You mentioned £15k well you can get a Spec the same as this for about £15-16k 2year old. Makes much more sense then. With no finance involved it’s cheap day to day driving. Going to try just the three pin plug for now and once or twice a week charge at home. Otherwise it’s about £700 for a charger which is all your fuel savings gone for a year or if you factor in the weekly charge at home and the odd fast charge then it’s around 15months of fuel. Misses does around 7-8k a year in the old 500 at 48mpg average.
As someone who learned the basics of driving in one of the old 500s (yes, the little 2 cylinder in the back, start & choke levers between the seats), I'd quite like to have a go in one of these . . . I'm sure that "Sherpa mode" would bring back some memories.
You are a natural presenter. You have that ‘clarkson’ quirk. For sure
Jay you've had your first "Get off my lawn!" moment! USBC is better because it has greater speed, greater capacity, it's smaller, and you can't have the plug backwards when you connect your phone. It's superior to the legacy USB in every way. :-) I think it's a pity they include the old one because the wires will get harder to find in the future.
A USB-C out also means faster charging for USB-C equipped devices.
My experience is that USB-C cables and connectors are more fragile and can cause a lot of problems in the future.
The usb c plug doesn’t automatically mean it supports al those new features anyway and finding cables for old stuff doesn’t seem to be a problem these days so does it really matter?
I can't stand fighting to plug in old USB
They give you both so in my eyes it’s the best of both worlds and you can charge 2 devices at once too probably
I believe the seat fabric is 100% Seaqual, which is some sort of recycled plastic which supports marine clear ups, acting in some form of offset like carbon neutral. You can research it if you like. I got bored 2 lines in 😂
Great video
wait for the abarth....colour choices are 🔥🤯 looks good to,not ott..could be a little more expensive but still better value than a Honda e, vw,cupra etc
I put my order in back in July and was recently warned that the delivery date was going to be September 2023 so will have to wait and see when it actually arrives
Not sure what the USB-C hate is about; it allows faster charging and there's no wrong way round. USB-C ALL OF THE THINGS!
One thing I dislike about it is the very restricted footwell on the driver’s side.
Absolutely, definitely worth checking on a test drive if your left leg fits on the dead pedal without touching the brake. Mine fit but if I put wide sneakers on it would be quite tight.
sometimes randomly he reveals he is not really the smartest guy but it is what it is , video is not too bad so thats good
Agree about the homepage. Don't know what the UK one is like, but if it's anything like the swedish version it's atrocious. On ours you barely get the base prices for each trim level, it doesn't give any info on what's actually in each of them and any time there's a picture of the version of the 500e you wanna know more about and click on the link in the picture, it brings you back to the 500e main page. We also for some reason don't get the configurator. If you wanna spec the car to your liking to see what it would cost with colour etc, it just pops up a form to fill in to book a test drive or to be contacted by a dealership with a sales pitch. Had to switch to the german website to use the configurator.
About the seats, i read somewhere they used some vegan friendly leatherette? i guess a lot of EVs these days try to go the vegan friendly route and i suppose it makes sense to try to appeal to every potential buyer.
From what i could gather on the homepage, Sherpa mode is more like "limp home" almost, not so much Eco. Range is supposed to be Eco mode and Sherpa is kinda Eco++. Think of it as "crap i don't have enough juice to get home" mode, everything is limited down to give you a chance to just barely make it to your door or a charge point, when you're really in trouble. Even Fiat seem to say it's not necessarily an ordinary drive mode, but more emergency, last resort.
'sherpa' mode, slow and steady wins the the race
God exists... I was waiting this review for so long. 😅
Thank you Mister. 👍
The most interesting thing about this video is the new haircut, looks good, taken years off you.
Good review. My wife and I had a real blast in the convertible version about 16 months ago on a gorgeously sunny day. Boot even smaller on that one and rear really cramped. But this car has charm and we were impressed with the fit and finish overall and tech. Still not enough range. Useable battery is 37.5 kWh I think. And just a reminder that battery storage is in kWh and battery CHARGING speed is in kW (not kWh). So charge speeds of up to 85kW for this car and not 85kWh.MM
Re the website: a lot of car websites are virtually unusable - trying to find your way around them is so frustrating and any attempt to specify your preferences can lead you round and round in circles. It's much easier to put your coat on and go down to your local dealer. A point about the internal door release - if it were covered in the same material as the seats it would look nice but not for long. It would quickly get soiled and grubby and make the car look scruffy.
Thanks J!🙏
It’s a small electric hatchback that’s fun! Sounds cool except for the price.
thanks for testing this and mentioning a comparison with the Honda and Renault...I think the urban nature of these should really be reconsidered as more like a compact area - whether country or urban or smaller islands, its the potential scope for owners driving distance that is key. Disappointed to hear about some of those plastics and switches. but happy to see two types of usb sockets - i've taken to always carrying two types of cables to allow for hire/zipcars with different set ups..
I've always liked the look of the old new Fiat 500, but this is more sophisticated and fresher. I really do like them...except for the chosen driveline that doesn't work for my needs.
This looks to have three USB ports. Three in a car of this size is pretty good, and if you're so against USB-C, that single port should take a C to A adaptor quite nicely.
Hey James, when are you going to give an abarth grande Punto a go? Look for the t-jet one. Hopefully that could persuade you that not all FIATs/abarths are mediocre.
Was offered one of these as a hire car in Madeira the other month. We went for the petrol version. We wern't specifically looking for charging points but only saw one in a week.(being used so that would been helpful)
Well, it makes much more sense than an electric SUV or Crossover!
Still, there is no comparison to the first and second generation 4x4 Pandas I found in South Tyrol. They are brilliant little machines.
I agree (surprisingly) with the positive comments about this car having test driven it with my Wife who is looking for a small runaround.
As for this review, I can’t help but surmise….cantankerous large guy in a too small car, stick to the Bentleys with their Naims👍🏻
I actually enjoyed watching that one nearly turned it off when I realised it’s a EV but persevered and glad I did, as I’m a masochist and run to large V8 vehicles as daily’s I’m starting to warm to EVs.
what V8 do you have?
@@toms_garage A 09 Jeep Commander 4.7 V8 and thanks to a friend a. 06 Lexus LS 430 as a replacement for a no end of problems with Peugeot 407 2 litre turbo diesel it drove me insane probably the worst car I ever owned.
Hah! I’m literally racing around Mallorca as we speak in an Abarth 595 Turismo Cabrio. I find it to be a great pocket rocket in the sun. We’re all enjoying it. Wave if you see a white Cabrio with a loud exhaust😎
We’ve been browsing the classifieds for a 695 Competizione Cabrio but to no luck. There are 3 595’s in Norway one of which is a 2021 Cabrio priced at 49000€’s with few kms on it and tricked all out🤩
As another owner of an awesome looking Ocean Green 500e La Prima and the ride has improved with the miles. Interestingly the quoted 87Kw power is only in low power mode, in reality its 102kW peak 97kW sustained for 140bhp~ think the added temps recently didn't help with the owner feeling a slight drop in oomph but equally in any petrol car you'd have a loss of power all the time in higher temps. Glad you enjoyed the drive though, I came from an Alfa Giulia and the steering is very akin to it as is the balance of the car, obviously different chassis dynamics with FWD but I find the rear rotates through the corner like the Giulia's giving it a very neutral/oversteer feel but easier to drag back into line. Also worth noting if the owner didn't know that it limits power in corners to as much as it can without producing slip so that equally could've been what he felt, usually this disappears the second the wheels lined back up. Excellent review though
Petrol cars don’t lose noticeable power when it’s warm. Their cooling systems mean that once up to operating temperature, the external temperature doesn’t make much difference.
yknow what. as a panda 100hp owner, i feel like im qualified to say i like this. i wanna drive one. if they made a slightly sportier one i'd be more interested. i think an abarth one would be a bit silly (though i have no doubt they will make one) but one with a few sportier touches would be appealing
James, I hope your gonna try the new Abarth 500e
14:40 to be fair the old Leyland Sherpa van wouldn't go much over 50mph so maybe that's the link
1:26 norway also got them
i feel that ev range hasnt improved much since the first electric car in 1914?? i do like the fiat 500 in abarth spec thats it the only one to have. for around they are brilliant any further utter useless with a small range. things need to pick up a notch for me to have an ev. always great videos as ever.
Superb! I loved the reference to the suicide door. Without wishing to sound facetious how does a blind person design a car?
If you're curious what the old version of the 500 elesctric is like. I believe Matt from High Peak Autos still has his. Californian import I think.
The VW E-UP - very popular in Yorkshire apparently.
Loving the shirt
As the owner of the vw e-up I 100% agree that the interiors just lack in ev cars especially right now in the market, I don’t know how much more it would cost to just fit a well made authentic interior to sell as a sell at loss product reflect it in the price and or availability what feels like a step in the right direction with this car ultimately, funnily had the chance to rent a new petrol fiat 500 while away about a month ago and found myself asking the same question would I have one of these if it was electric and as a once 500 doubter I also believe these really do serve an usp in the market for how they just are as an overall package especially if you had the much lower running costs that comes with lots of frequent mileage I could see why someone could really grow fond of it after purchasing……. (Rationally with just a 3 pin plug needed to charge and a drive it’s a very tempting economic electric car
When the car was indoors all I could think of was this a bumper car
All USB variants are one way only, except for USB C. This is why USB C is the only variant to have the same connector at both ends of the cable.
Sherpa mode means it moves like an old Sherpa (an LDV van ) 🤣🤣
Better than I expected. But so expensive!
Great video and I really like the (visual) look of this. But as an old BMW i3 owner it doesn't feel like it's moved the game on. I think if I was going back to this segment I'd be comparing it against the BMW.
Pub Bore factoid: The infotainment screen in the 500e is shared with the Maserati MC20.
Supposedly the Abarth variant would hit the U.S. I do hope so.
I doubt this is Bocelli version. Not sure they are in the country yet. La Prima is different to La Prima Bocelli. The Bocelli is the newer spec which comes with better stereo (extra speakers and sub woofer) but missing some of the other stuff.
Usb c should be on all cars, at least for one fast charging port.
And i forgot to mention that you are wrong with the dimensions: loading is not in kilowatt hours but in kilowatt. Kilowatt hours is a capacity, for example in the battery and kilowatt is the power that means how strong loading is. Someone who does Car Reviews should know that;!
Please do the electric 3door Mini SE.
Most phone charger cables are usb c on both ends. Thats why they are doing it
I think Sherpa refers to endurance.
I don't think this video made me more knowledgeable about the Fiat 500e, but I am sure I will never forget the new world famous tenor called "Botelli" 😂
30K!!!!....Faaaarrk!!!!!
I wish Peugeot/Citroen would do a EV version of their 108/C1. They will be game changers in the EV market, particularly if the price is right. They are part of Stellantis Group like Fiat, so maybe one day.
they're Aygo in disguise, so ask Toyota
@@nigo1787 No they are not. They are identical apart from body shape and are made in the same factory, but to Stellantis and Toyota trim and equipment specifications.
@@brusselssprouts560 the battery is what pushes the price up. But the technology is improving fast!
@@kevinnicholson7722 and what happens when demand for nickel and cadmium increases? Will the nickel and cadmium mining companies reduce prices, or will they cartel like the crude oil producers did (e.g. OPEC)? Besides, the technology still relies on minerals that few countries have, and are finite resources. Hydrogen gas production and generation are the way that safe clean energy for heating, lighting, power and transportation is the best and longest term solution, and it's "exhaust" product is water (better than "regen" braking in an EV imho). You will say this is very expensive, but so is the production of large Nickel cadmium based batteries, i.e Ni-cad. Cadmium is also very carcinogenic, and there is no strategy I know of for the safe disposal of waste EV Ni-cad batteries.
@@brusselssprouts560 yes i know all that! Battery based cars are here, and the infrastructure is growing. You might not think it's the best solution and I might agree with you, but for the short term we will be "encouraged" to buy electric! They could turn out to be like diesels, which I always hated.
I think an EV is good for those who only do short journeys around town, but with there still being a shortage of charging points nationally, it will be a while before I commit to buying one. Plus I will need to save up a little more before I can get a decent one as they are far from reasonably priced.
When you sum up
30k
EV
Italian
You'll have an Italian EV costing 30k
Adventurous
Holy crap J, thirty thousand pounds?
I almost fell off the toilet
I guess they interpreted Sherpa to mean "will get you there", which that mode would appear to do... Not sure why they didn't just go with "Eco", like every other manufacturer though.
30 miles is in fact about the average miles driven in a day for a car in the UK, so that 5 minute thing has some connection to reality.
Looks like a _much_ better option than both the Mini-E and Mazda MX-30 EV.
For a minute there I thought you said thats 30 grand 😳
These electric city cars are simply too expensive for what they offer. There should be a much cheaper, naked and unspectacular version on 14 inch steel rims, with ordinary fabric seats and just the most essential things you need.
Most people cannot afford such a car and so the e-mobility will never really take off.
Nice car, wonder if they will do abarth version.
Fiat have said they are planning it!
Yes, they kind confirmed it because a while ago you could vote on their website for the sound that an electric Abarth should do
It's confirmed and coming 'by end 2024' (hopefully next year)! A couple of test mule cars have been seen near the factory and they are going to have custom drivetrains. Looks like you'll be able to select the sound you'd like for your car in settings as well.
A petrol hybrid Abarth would make more sense because you’d get more performance and you would still get the sound. As a current 595 comp owner I can’t see myself or any Abarth owner that I know trading their Abarth’s in for a heavy EV version with fake sounds.
@@ds7300 it's also the cost... If a top line 500e is 30k, God only knows an abarth will start at.
Genuinely shocked when he said the price lol