Jim Cornette on The First Televised World Title Change
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- From Episode 199 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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Nice to hear Don Eagle mentioned, as he was my father’s favorite wrestler after only Lou Thesz
More topics like this please
I love it when Jim covers wrestling history. I was only born in 1994, so I missed basically everything that ISN'T WWF and WCW.
You missed all that good stuff too. Ha.
Same here. I was born in 2002, I started watching in 2008, so all I've seen live is the PG era, but I love learning about old wrestling.
My fave wrestler at the moment is Ric Flair.
You basically missed everything.. then again you can go back and watch it all..
@@arnavbhagwat4232 My Favorite wrestlers are Ric Flair and Bret Hart..
@@kenrickeason know a good jumping in point?
When I was a kid we only had 3 channels in black and white! We got NBC, CBS, and ABC on an antenna! And if the president was on you was screwed that’s all that was on!
I remember growing up in the Projects in the early 1990s Antenna was all we had.. So NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX and PBS was the only 5 channels.. Even back then if the President did a *"State Of The Union"* your ass might as well go outside.. Unless your family was middle class or rich then you could afford Cable TV which my friend's family had cause his Dad worked at a high paying job.. I use to go to his house and play videogames and watch Pro Wrestling on Saturdays at 5:05 central standard time.. I started becoming a fan of Pro Wrestling by that point..
@@kenrickeason What about Public Access TV? The few syndicated channels as well. But yeah, having cable was tough back then if you weren't middle class.
Back then they called it Kinescope, today we call it a bootleg. Same technology.
Excellent, you
The big introduction of TV into Australia was in 1956 for the Olympics that were being held in Melbourne that year.
And that was only really for Sydney and Melbourne, Others were from Late 50's to mid 70's.
Back then everyone wanted to visit Melbourne...these days everyone wants to leave it LOL.
My great grandma, Eunice Kjellman(Kretz), used to make outfits for Gorgeous George.
Was your great grandfather Swedish?
Very cool. I read the book about his life, it was really good 💪
Thanks for sharing. He was incomparable and your great grandma really added to his image.
Thats fucking unreal!
He ugly
This is the stuff that TOTALLY ELEVATES your podcast into a status All its own
This was an awesome segment, my father who is 92 talks about Whipper Billy Watson fairly often. Too bad they don't have a memory recording device, would be awesome to watch what he has seen.
After listening to the segment around 20:10 I think the CN Tower has to be renamed to “The Big Space Needle in Toronto” after Cornette
Hogan/Warrior wrestled in Toronto's Madison Square Garden
What we all like hearing.
I keep on telling people Toronto Canada 🇨🇦 has a ton of wrestling history . The Building you are Referring too . Is Called the CN Tower . It was once the tallest Building in the World .
Jim's entirely correct about the doubtfulness of a surviving kinescope. I've read enough television histories to conclude that "kinnys" really hadn't been sufficiently developed as a reliable technological tool by Feb. 1947. The films that have survived, such as the rare DuMonts from this period, were very crude and "ghosty." And these were from around or after 1948. No recorded kinnys were made from the RCA television exhibit at the '39 World's Fair, either because all the research was based on the broadcast, not the preservation of programming. NBC recorded kinescopes of, say, Milton Berle's Texaco Star Theater, and these were shipped west for rebroadcast in the Los Angeles and San Francisco markets.
Harry White. Now there's a name I haven't heard in years.
What a great piece of history and what a way to Stump the Last
How is it a "trick question" when Corney and Last are probably the only two people in America who even remotely know the answer??? 😅
Jim Ross may have a shot.
I love Historic Shit! Even if it's good or bad.. I like it all!
i love when Jim goes into the techinal stuff from TV wrestling, like him going through how he used to tape at home back in the day
Loved this clip. Brian + corny = great content
Jim is 100% accurate of how late Western Europe and Canada got tv it's a little bizarre actually
Should of been Abby’s ring name abdula oblong garter
0:15 "sperm of the moment"
The BBC broadcast a bunch of wrestling matches live from 1938-1939, and from 1946-1947. Is it possible a world title change could have occurred then? If not, quite surprising!
not really, title changes didn't happen very often
This is Gold!!!
this is my favorite shit they talk about, stuff id never know to learn about without their knowledge
Good stuff
Thats lesnar on the TV in the pic
I worked w a guy who was in his early 90s. I asked him what was on TV when it very first came out. He said "WRESTLING". He told me wrestling was on a lot and was sometimes the only thing to watch. Also, he is still alive. For a man who is in his 90s he moves like someone who is 20. The man was an incredible specimen. His secret was that he always was moving. He was always doing something. He was always walking or working or doing SOMETHING if he was not asleep. I learned a lot of the the past from him but he would never talk about stuff like that unless you asked him.
Wow can we see it ,,, can we see more..
“I LOVE THIS SHIT”
The part I don't get is why anyone, even a big company would have a TV in 47'. A little 20 inch TV had to cost more than a car at that time and there's no shows airing at that time. Like Jim said, the first TV station in the area was just starting to test their equipment. So why would any company want a TV? What would be it's purpose at that time? A couple of years later I could understand. The TV station was airing content by then, but to own a TV before there was even a TV station seems like a waste of money. Was there already a station in New York and they could pick up signals from that maybe?
Because people like moving pictures to go along with sound.
Nobody had a TV that was 47 feet long. 😂
I love hearing corny shit on modern wrestling but these history clips are always a good listen.
Please read old school stuff it's so cool
Oh boy, brings me back to the old days when they’d show one decent match a month on tv. Everything else was terrible squash jobs with hapless jobbers who wouldn’t even try to fight back. It’s a wonder that wrestling made it through that era.
Love the art
Who's show is this? It wasn't made clear.
Corny!!!!!!!!
"Was this the Kiel or the fucking Auditorium?"
a world title or a local " world" title ? which version ?
first
Think we heard it on the podcast first
Who gives af this RUclips trope is annoying af.
Snoozefest I hate these parts of the show 🥱
Corny and Last are fucking encyclopedias.
1952 the first TV station in Canada in Montreal. May have shown porn. Just saying...
Get any of the books Scott Teal has out. I've been friends with Scott for many years and his books are a wrestling history fan's dream.
@།།ཇ༠ ༠སཛ།འ༠ I suppose both Corny and I are saying it. Lol.
I tell people all the time, if you even remotely like wrestling you’ll enjoy his books
It's like finding a needle in a haystack.
Some of these programs are lost forever unless 1 person was Kineiscope the show.
That was the case with Game 7 of the 1960 World Series. Until about 20-30 years ago, the broadcast footage of the game was lost forever due to the networks not viewing games as high priority for preservation so they would just film over them. But Bing Crosby who was a minority owner of the Pirates, was so superstitious that he flew him and his wife to Paris to listen to it on the radio and had a Kineiscope of the game made.
So unless someone were to have decided to keep a Kineiscope of a program and kept it safe, all we would have to go off of is eye witness testimony and possible Radio recordings
Jim you and Brian should get with a historian or other person who knows how to GENTLY scan the materials and put them into digital format so that you can store them properly and never have to worry about marking up the pages. And still have 100% unfetrered acxess to info.
It’s useless knowledge! Professional wrestling will be a stain on man kinds past soon just watch and see! I liked it for a time but now find it silly and embarrassing to watch! I’m embarrassed for them and for me for watching it! It’s that bad now!
@@tammyforbes2101 I'm going to upvote you because I admire the frenzied urgency of your rhetoric. It sounds like something Steve Ditko would script for The Question.
@@tammyforbes2101 True but what about the true believers out there? ;)
@@tammyforbes2101 no history is useless on any subject.
@@daveconleyportfolio5192😂😂😂😂😂
Jim Cornette is covering wrestling history and I am *HERE* for it!
I really wish Jim had a "history of wrestling" podcast with Mr. Brian Last. It seems that besides Jim...Brian is probably 2nd most knowledgeable wrestling podcaster that i know.
@@JackG79
A podcast exclusively discussing the “history of wrestling” with Jim and Brian involved does sound appealing. I know this might be an unpopular opinion but including Dave Meltzer in the mix would be intriguing as well. Sporadically. His ramblings are actually coherent when it’s fact based events from decades ago and despite having a cluttered workspace, his wrestling knowledge has been acknowledged by both, Jim and Brian.
Same
ALL OF IT!
@@Copperstoned I agree. As much as it pains me, because I cannot stand DM and his 'news', he is a very well versed historian.
The first Canadian TV station was in Montreal in Sept 1952 so the info was right. First live ice hockey game was a month later, Canadiens vs Red Wings (only 3rd period so not to hurt ticket sales).
Radio-Canada (french version of CBC) showed live wrestling from Verdun Auditorium (Southern part of Montreal), then from the Montreal Forum where the Wednesday show Les Mercredi de la Lutte would draw 1.5 million viewers in mid50's for stars Yvon Robert, Edouard Carpentier, Johnny Rougeau, Jack Britton (Gino Brito's dad), Mad Dog Vachon, Little Beaver, etc.
This was awesome to listen to! I love hearing this kind of stuff. 👍
That ol geezer looks like that Muppet that sat up in the theater box with his friend and hurled insults at the performers
I loved them. Statler and Waldorf I think were their names.
Cable came to St. John's Newfoundland Canada in 1977 but didn't make to the outports until the mid 80s and that by satellite, they got VHF signal via Antenna and the signal was so bad that floor model B&W were still being sold (23" Zenith ) into the 80s lol
Australian here, cable didn’t come to us until the mid 90s
That write up predicting the future of wrestling on TV, just wow.
I stopped listening to Something To Wrestle quite a while ago. Why? Jim and Brian do this much much better. There is no need to listen to Bruce and Conrad at all anymore.
"When people still saw in black and white" - Jim Cornette
Cool af. Cornette's reading of the newspaper really brought it home.
If you say so...lmao easily amused obviously
@@davey3884 ... You just "lmao" at a comment about reading a newspaper .. easily amused?
I would like Jim to collaborate with somebody (maybe the Gentleman Gamer) to create a wrestling based table top RPG. He wouldn't even have to understand Role Playing Games just provide information about the territories, how they interacted (wether positive business, or feuded like the Poffos and the Jarretts.
I don't follow/know much about wrestling history before 1980 or so, but it's very cool to hear people excited and passionate about something, how into this info Brian is, to learn something he didn't know, and for Jim to be going through in detail how the information came to him/was recorded. Very cool.
Is Brian Last Eddie Trunk's wrestling alter ego? They sound a lot alike.
Actually, has anyone ever seen them together in the same room? Hmmmm🧐
Eddie Trunk is amazing.
You know why they call him eddie trunk? I heard it was because he had an elephant trunk in his pants
Like below, something like this, 1st time Title changes in history, who or where or when would be awesome if Mr. Cornette & Mr. Last would continue them. I studied the entire history of wrasslin after becoming a mainstay fan in '87 & used to have a collectors dream in magazines & various historical compilations put out by the magazines. 👍🏻👍🏻
These are my favorite types of videos!
I wish Corny and Brian would do more wrestling history reviews and say fuck WWE and AEW
Kinescope didn't make its debut until September of 1947. It was used up through the late 1970s because videotape was so expensive.
And Watson's win was in February.
That's what you call "rotten luck".
Please do more segments like this.
To answer their question about TV in Toronto, television broadcasts from the CBC began on September 6, 1952, with the opening of Montreal's, CBFT, and Toronto's CBLT.
So Brian might be surprised by that, but it's correct.
Mind you, Cable TV in Canada had about an 80% penetration rate by ~1975; the US at that time might have had 40%, if that. And thanks to that cable penetration, we got to see a lot of US wrestling from Buffalo and Rochester as well as our local stuff (and "bicycled" film from Vancouver that was broadcast a week after-the-fact on both Kitchener's and one of the Toronto stations).
We got spoiled, right into the early Expansion era, because by then, we were also getting Stampede, Lutte Internationale, AWA and NWA Toronto (which by that time was more or less a spin off of Crockett), as well as WWF (and there were two or three WWF broadcasts then, too).
Wrestling at the Chase was a long ruining KLPR program. You can find episodes of it here on RUclips. Theyre well worth watching
I'd like to hear you guys talk more about wrestling in the 40s and 50s. 👍🏻
Can’t wait to hear Brian’s response to konnan.
Yes, CBC/Radio-Canada was indeed created in 1952.
Well, CBC-TV; the CBC itself had been around since 1936.
now i wanna watch something on the history of television
My love of history makes this one of my favorite clips from this podcast. In Jim’s words...
“I love this shit.”
Love the classic wrestling talk, more of this and interviews with the greats of the past and less about the current product
Jim Cornette is equivalent to Wrestling history as Burt Sugar was to Boxing.
Sugar is not as talented but your right.
THIS is what I wish Corny would stick to. Wrestling history golden nuggets like this. Not trying to tell me that modern wrestling sucks or making a career out of hating Kenny Omega.
As a wrestling historian, Corny has no equal, but don't tell me what to watch or what I should like.
GREAT TOPIC! I love when you guys discuss classic stuff like this!
"I'll tell that to the one legged waitress at the IHOP" 👏👏👏
ilean
13:30 They were right. 🙂
i don't think toronto had an experimental tv station before 1950 CBC radio-canada went in the air in 1952, independant stations started after them once peoples had tv sets
15:48 - If it wasn't kinescope, your best bet is to HOPE that somebody in 1947 at that event had an old 8mm or better yet, a 16mm home movie camera(both had color film as an option then). Either that, or hope that somebody recorded the footage off a TV screen and hope that the footage still survives if it even exists in the first place.
So, a professional wrestling Zapruder, basically.
It's possible. Somebody filming the Spirios Arion heel turn off of a TV is why it popped up decades later.
I would love to see Jim Cornette vs Bruce Pritchard in a battle of Wrestling History to see who would stump the other.
Prichard is full of shit
@Aaron Lassiter He knows how to do impressions.
What Brian was talking about as far as the quality of paper, it would be like the "pulp fiction" magazines back in the day.
Jim and Brian need to get this stuff put into history. It's been along time since I saw a pwi almanac so I think it goes way further than that we need you two to get with historians for the sake of pro wrestling history.
Brian your wrestling knowledge is astounding. I not only laugh with Jim and Brian but I learn also. And knowing is half the battle. Lol
St Louis was a great town for wrestling fans in the 50s-60s. Because of the geography and early TV technology, St Louis and Toronto both got a bunch of televised wrestling from other territories. And nearly everyone wrestled for Muchnik at one point or another.
Man, this kind of wrestling history shit is what got me interested in Cornette in the first place. This is what so many wrestling podcasts are missing, a genuine love for the history of the business.
When was the 1st televised D.D.T.?
It certainly wasn't by Jake.
15:20 is why Travis created this beauty of a thumbnail!!
All true.. St. Louis was one or the first televised wrestling shows in that such area.. Love my town..✌😜
weren't we lucky?
0:28 Stump Brian 🤣🤣
Funniest part 😂
Wow I learn a lot from you guys thank you
Great stuff! It's kind of sad when wrestling's history is more interesting than its present.
Try baseball
Those guys who marveled at the concept of television at its fullest in 1947 would blow their minds out on the concept ot internet
And now TV is what radio was like once TV got big. So now the question is what is going to follow the internet?
@@IanSane The Riddler's Box from Batman Forever, where it was projected in their mind.
Amazingly, the concept of the television used to appear on the Atlantic City boardwalk in the year 1919-1927. There was absolutely no sound, bad picture quality, and God knows what type of content was shown back then, but Boardwalk Empire has an episode that simulated a 1920s man reaction to a TV. I think he went inside of a booth, similar to a picture booth, and images were shown one after another in a primitive technological way.
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Knowing a little general history about early TV, it's cool to bring younger audiences up to speed about old school methods of entertainment the way Jim does. Thank goodness RUclips is around to digitally preserve surviving Kinescope footage from the Pre-Videotape Era ( roughly 1947 to 1956. ) Those interested might want to look up AMPEX. They were one of the first companies to produce 1st generation videotape technology. I just recently saw a 70 year old kinescope of NBC'S MEET THE PRESS with a 34 year old John F. Kennedy as the guest!
And today I realised I know nothing about wrestling!
0:16 sperm of the moment
If i win the lottery. Im going to start a wrestling promotion. Id offer jim whatever he wants, to be a part of it. even if its just for council. Hes an encyclopedia of Wrestling knowledge.
Great segment but I have to also say that pic is perfect
Omg the birth of tv wow. Great work Jim and Brian
The CN Tower didn't exist until the '70's.
Not a big video game person but I'd love an actual good wrestling game that focused on building your own roster and such with wrestlers from every time period. I know it would be a copy right nightmare but one can dream lol
Closes we LEGALLY got to that was the video game called "Showdown: Legends of Wrestling" (also known as Legends of Wrestling 3. Showdown was the third and final game in that series) for Playstation 2 and original Xbox during 2004. It covers wrestlers from the 70's, 80's, 90's. It's roster was almost all the major legends that were NOT with WWE during 2004. For the 70's that game had Bruno Sammartino (who was also one of the dominant wrestlers of the 60's), Superstar Billy Graham, Killer Kowaski, The original Shiek, Ivan Koloff, Ivan Putski, Bob Backlund (I don't remember to well, but I THINK you could switch him back and forth between his late 70's good guy look and his early 90's Evil Mr.Backlund look) Fritz Von Erich (granted, Fritz Von Erich is more of a 50's / 60's wrestler but wrestled in the 70's) Harley Race in his 70's look, and some others. For the 80's, they had Hulk Hogan in his red / yellow, Ultimate Warrior, Kerry Von Erich, Rowdy Roddy Piper, King Kong Bundy, Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase, Ricky The Dragon Steamboat, Mr.Wonderful Paul Orndorf, the Road Warriors, Sting (primarily in his late 90's "Crow" look, but I THINK his late 80's / early 90's classic "surfer" look is somewhere in the game) and several others. You also have some guys who became well known singles wrestlers during the 90's like Bret Hart, Eddie Guerrero, Sid Vicious, Sabu, etc. There are a lot more wrestlers (it's a pretty big roster. They even threw in Jerry The King Lawler and Andy Kaufman so you can have the two of them face off. LOL). I liked the game since you could have Bruno Sammartino and Hulk Hogan, both in their primes, in a match against each other and do other wild matches.
Really good game (Showdown: Legends of Wrestling is so much better than the earlier two Legends of Wrestling games). Unfortunately, the game's owner went out of business just as the game released and WWE soon after signed TONS of wrestling legends from the 80's to legends contracts and did their own Legends of Wrestlemania game with 80's wrestlers in order to keep other video game companies from doing another Showdown: Legends of Wrestling game.