Considering you grew lettuce which does NOT flower or produce fruit... its perfectly logical that it DOESNT need red light which is important for flowering and "fruiting"and not vegetation and most full spectrum leds have 60-70% of red led diodes... Just saying.. You should do some fruit grow actually ... If you did send a link
SRB NS to say that lettuce doesn’t need red light is false. All plants need red light. The ratio is what matters. ruclips.net/video/pgpjACVfLvA/видео.html
All leaves contain two types of chlorophyll, alpha and beta. One is activated by red light, the other by blue light. But there other biochemical roles for light. For example, plant can react to green light, avoiding that area, probably due to competition with other vegetation. Seeds respond to infrared.
@@rscott2247 Technically, it's not legal anywhere in the United States because it's still banned at the federal level. States do not have the authority to override a federal prohibition. So, when a state legalizes, what's really happening is that the state is saying they won't pursue it at the state level, but federal authorities still can and often do act even in those states. In Illinois, for example, it's been made legal but a guy across the street was operating a drug house and the police did this huge operation to shut him down, remove him, and board up his house. They had an actual tank right in front of my house. Scared me as it woke me up! The thing is there were so many complaints about all the other activity related to the marijuana that they pulled some strings and had federal agents come in and had him charged under federal rules. There are also public smoking bans in place for good reason, as many people are allergic and even those that aren't have a right to choose not to get high so public smoking bans are in place to make sure everyone can use the public place. Since ingestion is preferred for medicinal cases anyway the authorities do arrest people who violate public smoking bans regardless of what they are smoking. Additionally, any federally funded program has to follow federal rules, so college parking lots, federal highways, federal parks, etc.
The reason why you got bitter taste of the R&B light is that under such condotions leafy vegetables tend to synthesize isotiocyanates in a higher degree. The enzyme called myrosinase which synthesizes isotiocyanets from glucosinolates is in that case not inhibited by the natural light and if there is predomenance of red and blue light. Overall thanks for the cool video!
Wild lactuca species are known for their extreme bitterness, so I think cultivars have been selected to overcome this, and still if you let your lettuce flower you'll see that it can become a little bitter. So maybe this experiment would be interesting to try with something else like a tomato and try the flavor difference again Cool video, thanks for posting!
What about nutrients used? I read (so could mistaken) that weed growers stop feeding nutrients a couple weeks before picking the buds cause it could add bitterness, could the same be said for vegetables and fruit and thats why the lettuce had a bitter aftertaste?
Interesting how the total weight of both lettuces had the numbers three, four and seven. But differently arranged. Must be linked in the fabric of the Universe.
There’s also the added benefit of enjoying your beautiful green plants under normal light rather than feeling like you’re stepping into a darkroom every time!
The red/blue lamps should be considered multi-spectrum and not full spectrum. White lamps are actually full spectrum. It would be interesting to see a comparison with fruiting/flowering plants and non fruiting/flowering plants under 2700K, 4000K, and 5000K LED lamps and compare the results. Nice hands on experiment, thanks.
There was more red light in the "white light" LED panel, which caused the leaf to become larger... however, despite the size of the leat, the nutrients/phytochemicals produced in the leaves are pretty constant, so the "bitter" taste in the predominantly blue light was due to these flavors being concentrated into less biomass, but equally healthy leaf as the white-grown, which actually had more red light. The leaf morphology (size) was affected by the spectrum. The amounts of phytochemicals responsible for taste were not, and in probably equal amounts "per leaf", but not "per gram".
Thanks for growing answers!!! Nice to know someone of intelligence is doing some worth while research using these new types of artificial lighting. Thanks and keep up the good work/research. I look forward to watching more of your videos. Ps the time laps was an awsome way to show the difference between the two types of lighting!!!
@@topazpowell8561 Probably a joke where it's almost always cloudy on most days with less sunshine being up northern europe. Not the best place for plants that need a lot of sunlight.
I appreciate your concise but fact packed video! I've been experimenting with different lights for starting seedlings lately and your findings have been really helpful. Will be sure to check out more. Cheers!
I can't wait for part 2 this is an exciting video, thanks to your experiments I've been able to optimize my grow system , thanks for all your hard work Ryan!
Great video short and sweet and answered exactly what I wanted to know, would love to see the same test on a flowing plant in the bloom stage to see if the results differ
I just germinated seeds in hours, put some pepper, tomato and broccoli seeds in a brown napkin yesterday. I've got them in soil two weeks and nothing yet but I'm ready. I put in paper towel to make sure viable and broccoli and peppers already popping tails...yay!!!
Seeds are so cheap it's pointless to pop them like they expensive cannabis seed, Toss 2-3 in each hole and cull the weak after they're a weekish old. You can put them in a shot glass filled with distilled water and 2-3 drops of hydrogen peroxide for 12-24 hours then pop them right into your medium. This way they'll have some protection from dampening off fungal infection and you can see how viable they are. Plus seeds will start to acclimate to the napkin and when you switch them to soil it can cause them to get nutrient burn, but if they're started in the soil after the soak it reduces these chances to almost zero. Good luck with the garden!
I think it would have been important to dehydrate the plants and see their "true" weight. The non-green plant may have been more dense, and technically "larger" than the green one. Then burn the dehydrated mass to extract and weigh the various vitamins (copper, iron, potassium, etc) contained. The reason for the bad taste could have meant more nutrients were present.
@@kennethkline7702 If that was any scientists actual approach nothing would ever get done. What a clown. At this scale, for this purpose, this was a fine experiment. Just be glad he used more than one plant on each side, ya testicle.
for all the ppl that will call me incorrect the white light is actually all colors of light combined so with the colored led you are actually limiting the radiation from that spectrum Visible light waves are the only electromagnetic waves we can see. We see these waves as the colors of the rainbow. Each color has a different wavelength. ... White light is actually made of all of the colors of the rainbow because it contains all wavelengths, and it is described as poly-chromatic light
Im gonna be using metal halides for my system for the simple reason that when I observed saltwater aquariums equipped with metal halid lights the color of the coral was superior than that of led this is just my opinion I've tried T5's when they came out and i wasn't impressed prolly better now but doesn't matter the halides were free
Plants are not designed to grow that fast. *taking shortcuts degrades the plants full potential to build nutrients. Why guttation occurs frequently. *due to root pressure. Many believe it's caused by over watering. This is not the case. There is guttation & forced guttation. I know spectrums pretty good. I studied the circadian clock for a few years & it gave me a perspective that can't be changed.. The best way to mimic nature is to use a full spectrum.. The best way to speed up production is ultra bright light. The best way to achieve vitamin richness is to use a combination of both! The reason for the bitter is due to the build up of the protective properties in plants *short answer It is what is responsible for the bitterness found in many vegetation. High in vitamin B's Lacking chlorophyll A & B (There are 4 or 5 types of chlorophyll *can't remember) If you would like a serious break down. I can do that. But I'd want compensation. 🤣 my time is not free 😆 Almost forgot (: (:Great video!!
Really great video. Short, snappy and to the point. Wondering if you managed to do a cost analysis of electricity, seeds and potting compost per plant vs store bought lettuce.
The comparison with an Osram Phytofy RL panel programed to grow seeds then green leaves would have been great, to see if the extra cost is worth the extra production and quality. You just need the blue spectrum LEDs for green leaves, together with full spectrum white LEDs. It's not just the one or the other, the white and the blue/red/white LEDs. It depends on the vegetation stage, if you want to simulate dawn/sunset, etc. Now that we have both infrared and UV LEDs, I will be playing with these 2 in a very small ratio compared with the growing LEDs. Just like direct LED lighting hurt our eyes, I think I'll try with a translucent glass between the LEDs and the plants, just like there is atmosphere refraction on Earth, it may be why you experienced burns on some (very few) leaves.
the amount of electricity needed to grow a couple of bowks of lettuce. these comparisons are only good if you are growing weed indoors hahahaha. get a good old hps 600w bulb, compare with leds, see the scam leds are.
I don't understand the logics on using red blue light. The sun is warm white light around 5000K. Plants are adapted to use the wave length nothing else.
I wouldnt have never imaginated (sorry for bad english btw) to be in the middle of a war between led colors...please, go on! haha OP, your video was really informative. Im trying to grow my own microgreens garden!
*Video says LED's work because they can grow the easiest veggie there is to grow* *grow a tomato plant, we can be the judge as to why the LED's aren't strong enough*
The higher percentage of blue light in your RB led is the reason of higher chlorophyll compared to the RGB led ;) and blue surpresses leave extension so the leaves were less elongated than RGB because of that, despite the same amount of red.
hey. you gained my follow 👍 simply just because there was no fuck arounds. you keept it informativ and compact Plus thought of the Taste as well . Nice! i be back
In the 1980s NASA released info on plants and the light spectrums they need. You basically gave lettuce more of all the vitamins it needed with blue 440-500nanometer spectrum light (left). Leafy greens do not need other spectrums of light.
Thank you! I have a new red/blue 200w(real) led and i couldnt figure out why my plants where doing so slow compared to some other 500w cfl (100w real) that i have...now i know that it will matter on the end product, after flowering.
the amount of watts drawn doesn't tell you how much brightness is there. Fluorescent can be 0.95 umol/w whereas the best LEDs are all 2.0 - 2.4 umol/w, literally twice as efficient. The problem is that generic LED can be much less efficient than 2.0 umol/w. Ideally, one should avoid LEDs with isolated bands of frequencies and just go for a broad spectrum light that's white from 3000 - 4000 kelvin.
It is my understanding that 6,500k is the best color temperature for growing. I was surprised that the white light used in this video did so well considering it is at a much cooler color temperature. I would be interested to see a comparison between a 6,500K white light vs the one you used in the video.
actually, we are talking begonias in my case. Those tropical plants are expensive, and too beautiful and precious to let them die in cold winter months.
Great video thank you! My understanding of the lights has been white spectrum (5k-6500) is needed for initial growth for most plants that can be sustained but for fruit producing plants like strawberries or tomatoes going to more of a red spectrum (
Nice. I would be interested to see what the 'dry mass' was of both types also. I was thinking that the white light plants may have more water content - perhaps larger or less compact cells and the bitter taste of the RGB plants may be as a result of this. Liked the experiment - well done.
Done something similar on my last grow,purely accidental.Started grow under mars hydro purple,friend gave me a white led spider farmer 5 weeks into grow.Results were beyond belief,best I ever had.This 50/50 mix seems best of all,just my take on things!
Thats not an entirely fair comparison though because there is still more plant material under the white light. Since he didnt measure the nutrient content of the plants, we can only make assumptions(what you said is true about darker greens). If you're getting your lettuce this way, its unlikely that the limiting factor is how much you can eat, seeing as thats like 6 salads in a month there. Each individual plant in this experiment probably has about the same total nutrient value, with the blue red just having a higher density. If you are able to grow all of the vegetables you need though, and your ability to eat them is the limiting factor, then you definitely would want to optimize the plants to be as nutritive as possible. Either way, people growing and eating their own greens is only good at the end of the day, even if they arent packing the maximum amount of nutrition.
Get a quantum board. They're pricey but well worth it. Blue purple led's are no match to decent white led. White led in 3000k spectrum is perfect for all stages and will kick any other lights ass for efficiency and yield
I wish I found your channel a few weeks ago (bought some lights in a rush. Would have made different choices had I known what I'm learning from you). Love the channel, keep it up!
Red light spectrum only applies if blossom is involved. You basacly have here summer(White light, more blue light) and red light(fall aproaching , causing plants to retreat chlorophyll and going into reproduce mode) it depends on the plant btw. White / blue light for growth and red light for blossom, easy as that.
It doesn't depend on the plant, the average mass in his experiment showed an average of less mass, which would logically mean less bud production as well.
Thank you for this test. I bought white light leds only because I don’t like working under colored light. It’s nice to know I haven’t had to sacrifice quality. LIKED 👍
谢谢你的分享！我使用红蓝LED灯种植出来的生菜也是味道很苦，和你的结果是一致的 Thanks for sharing! The lettuce that I planted with the red and blue LED lights is also very bitter and is consistent with your results.
IMO: The red/blue color gives the lettuce enough light(just right spectrum they needed) so no need for them to grow their leaves more widely. On the other side, with the white light, the lettuce needs wider leaf to absorb more light they needed. Just like when you give them enough sunlight and not giving them enough sunlight.
Bro I have red blue grow light but I turn it off here these are my reasons 1 . Serious headache 😫 2. my eye sight loos they damaged .y eyes bad 3. Making fish really uncomfortable they just hide from light and few died. These lights were no good for my aquarium.
This is a much better video format than your older videos. It's clear you're dedicated and improving! I've noticed the same bitter taste with plants grown under blurple. I'm putting together a 250w fixture of 150w warm white COB and 2 50w 'full spectrum' cobs from Lustreon - we'll see how she goes.
Sounds like it should work well. And thanks. Ive made videos long before RUclips existed actually. I used to spend ridiculous amounts of time on them, but those were mostly short films. After that I did various things with video and never really stuck with one thing. The reason my older videos were poor was because I got very put off by video making and became lazy about it. I tried to edit as little as possible and also tried to make the process less complicated (on my part). My focus became just getting the information out there without any good structure. Honestly I still don't really like making videos. It used to be a hobby about 16 years ago, but after a certain point it just felt like work with no pay off. But now I get paid so it's sort of like running my own business so I treat it as such. I would still do experiments and grow stuff even if I didn't film it though.
Robert Theref ur right in most cases, but coating a lens with a color doesn’t make a light change color, it merely filters out the other colors and you are left with a single color. It certainly changes the ratio from one color to the other, but doesn’t add any. in other words, you don’t make a white light “more” red by adding a color filter. You’d be better off adding a red light in addition to the white light.
I'll put my soil&LED indoor produced vs any outdoor produce on the planet. Yes, the free sun makes it hard to beat during summer but to keep production all year round a farmer must use LED's or only produce goods during summer. Literally under 10 bucks a month in electricity per light and each light will produce countless seedling and clones with minimal investment. I can make 100's of dollars a month per LED with little to no overhead.
Red light is part of white light. The ratio of red to blue is what matters. To put that into perspective, if you added green LED's to a RED/BLUE light, the light would appear white. The reason is that plants go into a type of dormancy when given too much of only a few different targeted wavelengths. Tuned spectrum lights can work better in certain situations and with certain types of plants, but that's the problem. One light that has a static ratio of target wavelengths cannot be expected to work as general purpose grow light. That's why white light is a fail-safe for the uneducated. There is no guessing with white light, it just works.
Robert Theref I’m aware. But this video is mainly about cheap amazon lights and second to that is spectrum. This video is not referring to all grow lights or every situation. Its merely a demonstration an observation.
@@TheMusicHeals.kjhjhhg I know that when I am growing lettuce for salad that trichrome production is the most important part. So I should make sure I optimize the lights for trichromes. On my lettuce.
Actually the most important would have been to have them tested to which one had more nutrient value. Visually speaking it appeared to me the white light plants looked much healthier to me.
one comment too to factor: White LEDS do dim over time while still consuming same energy. This is due to degradation of the phosphor element in the LED. The colored leds won't have this issue.
When ur getting into that many different colors, you might as well be using white light. In a sense though the white leds in the panel mixed in with the red/blue take the place of those multiple bands.
You can get similar results by growing one plant in the shade, and one in full sun. The plant in the shade will have larger, darker leaves than the one in the sun. The one in the sun will have smaller, but less fleshy leaves. You get a similar result with variegated plants. Variegated plants in low light have to produce more chlorophyll to compensate for the lower light levels, so they'll often lose their variegation and have dark green leaves, whereas the plants with ample light don't need so much chlorophyll, so they retain their variegation. Not sure that this proves more than the white light wasn't as efficient as the red and blue.
That's because there's a higher concentration of utilizable healthy light on the red blue white side, the leaves grow thicker and denser because of it. I did a pine tree experiment when I was a kid and a sprouts rapid timelapse demonstration of. The plants grown in zero lume darkness in the closet grew huge pale leaves and the one under 24hour grow light grew dark green and a asthetically stunted but intensely healthy in comparison to a natural third outdoor open air naturally grown plant. The plant under that blue red white light is actually healthier with thicker smaller denser leaves. Those lights go on a timer. Try 23 on one off. 22 on 2 off or 24 divided by 4 or 5 or 6. One hour on one hour off. One hour on TEN MINUTES off. You'll see what I'm talking about. Got a book for about this. It's called "THE CELESTINE PROPHECIES" can't remember the author I'm sorry. - Adam
I used only two rows of red/blue lights. Along with an infrared heater. One problem is my onions had root molding problems.. But they did make the hottest best tasting onion tops I have ever eaten. Growth rate was too fast.. And tended to cause poor roots.. One night I was awoke by a ticking sound.. Turns out onion tops had made contact with the shiny foil surrounding the plants.. And would grown, and bend, then spring up with a tick sound... Scared the Hades out of me.. As plants are not suppose to make noises.. lol
Pound for pound I'd bet they're the same, just the ones on the left taste milder. Here's the question...do you want elongated mild leaves or compact bitter growth? If you're growing lettuce to sell by the pound pick the left. If you're growing lettuce as a source of nutrients pick the one on the right.
Considering you grew lettuce which does NOT flower or produce fruit... its perfectly logical that it DOESNT need red light which is important for flowering and "fruiting"and not vegetation and most full spectrum leds have 60-70% of red led diodes... Just saying.. You should do some fruit grow actually ... If you did send a link
SRB NS to say that lettuce doesn’t need red light is false. All plants need red light. The ratio is what matters. ruclips.net/video/pgpjACVfLvA/видео.html
Growing Answers yeah needs little red but most blue
Actually lettuce absolutely flowers, you just want to harvest it before that :)
All leaves contain two types of chlorophyll, alpha and beta. One is activated by red light, the other by blue light. But there other biochemical roles for light. For example, plant can react to green light, avoiding that area, probably due to competition with other vegetation. Seeds respond to infrared.
Both chlorophyll A and B has peaks in both blue and red.
"I swear im just growing lettuce"
The weed just appeared out of nowhere
The devil's lettuce!😉
Hehehe 😁
Hey, I wouldn't mind growing a female pot plant and besides where I live its legal now.
@@rscott2247 Technically, it's not legal anywhere in the United States because it's still banned at the federal level. States do not have the authority to override a federal prohibition. So, when a state legalizes, what's really happening is that the state is saying they won't pursue it at the state level, but federal authorities still can and often do act even in those states.
In Illinois, for example, it's been made legal but a guy across the street was operating a drug house and the police did this huge operation to shut him down, remove him, and board up his house. They had an actual tank right in front of my house. Scared me as it woke me up! The thing is there were so many complaints about all the other activity related to the marijuana that they pulled some strings and had federal agents come in and had him charged under federal rules.
There are also public smoking bans in place for good reason, as many people are allergic and even those that aren't have a right to choose not to get high so public smoking bans are in place to make sure everyone can use the public place. Since ingestion is preferred for medicinal cases anyway the authorities do arrest people who violate public smoking bans regardless of what they are smoking.
Additionally, any federally funded program has to follow federal rules, so college parking lots, federal highways, federal parks, etc.
The reason why you got bitter taste of the R&B light is that under such condotions leafy vegetables tend to synthesize isotiocyanates in a higher degree. The enzyme called myrosinase which synthesizes isotiocyanets from glucosinolates is in that case not inhibited by the natural light and if there is predomenance of red and blue light. Overall thanks for the cool video!
toi tu n'étais au fond de la classe a côté du radiateur!!ou alors tu es copain avec narcisse!!humour de bas étages désolé!
Hahaha thanks! Excellent.
So is it a good thing to have the isotiocynate more?
@@osirusj275 if you want your lettuce to taste bitter then it would be good but for most people that is not good.
How about plants that you're not planning on eating? Is it a good thing?
Wild lactuca species are known for their extreme bitterness, so I think cultivars have been selected to overcome this, and still if you let your lettuce flower you'll see that it can become a little bitter. So maybe this experiment would be interesting to try with something else like a tomato and try the flavor difference again
Cool video, thanks for posting!
Subbed great work mate respect from Manchester UK
very nice video, concise and to the point. 👍👍💚
What about nutrients used? I read (so could mistaken) that weed growers stop feeding nutrients a couple weeks before picking the buds cause it could add bitterness, could the same be said for vegetables and fruit and thats why the lettuce had a bitter aftertaste?
Kavasir when growing outside do nutrients get flushed? That’s only for things related to combusting
Interesting how the total weight of both lettuces had the numbers three, four and seven. But differently arranged. Must be linked in the fabric of the Universe.
Very interesting and good info, thanks!
Can you compare A: sunlight+LED at night vs B: Full LED light growth?
Preciate this to the fullest! You just saved me like a years worth of research and testing....colored lights it is!
So, a 100w 3000k LED flood light vs a 100w purple grow light.. which one would be better for a general supplentary light for my houseplants?
Nice video man
Hi brother can I ask you so the white light is better right brother I still don’t understand please help 🙏🏻
What are the specifications of the white led lamp
damn i really should have done more research before buying the viparspectra 300
Do plants need darkness or do they grow faster with 24/7 light?
Ben considering pants grow mainly during darkness, yes they need it. It’s a rest period in a sense.
"I didn't grow plants in this video, I grew answers" You better copyright that. Thanks, great information.
Bars...
Everything is always automatically copyrighted. You might meant to say "trademark it".
Answers about lights that should be tossed in the garbage. Far inferior to soft whites or florescent.
This video was about a million times more helpful than Google search was in finding a clear answer
you're still on Google
google is a chinese style censorship on everything.
@@AJ-rs3ub "google search"
And yeah, youtube is always better for complicated answers that dont need a simple yes or no
I would have to agree with you Franklin
you just solved my 1 year problem in 4min, really appreciated
There’s also the added benefit of enjoying your beautiful green plants under normal light rather than feeling like you’re stepping into a darkroom every time!
I personally love the dark room feeling. Just sayin
You eat in your darkroom?😅
@@patrickkenney2259 Yeah me too
The red/blue lamps should be considered multi-spectrum and not full spectrum. White lamps are actually full spectrum. It would be interesting to see a comparison with fruiting/flowering plants and non fruiting/flowering plants under 2700K, 4000K, and 5000K LED lamps and compare the results. Nice hands on experiment, thanks.
It's kinda scary to watch lettuce growing in timelapse...
you have a weird reaction. I like its way of growing.
I like it. It looks kinda cute. Happy growing plants!
It's not scary!
You ain't seen much scary then son !
It seems fleshy and alive
I wonder what if we give 10 hours of sunlight or white light and 5-6 hours of red blue light. can you please do a video on it.
There was more red light in the "white light" LED panel, which caused the leaf to become larger... however, despite the size of the leat, the nutrients/phytochemicals produced in the leaves are pretty constant, so the "bitter" taste in the predominantly blue light was due to these flavors being concentrated into less biomass, but equally healthy leaf as the white-grown, which actually had more red light.
The leaf morphology (size) was affected by the spectrum. The amounts of phytochemicals responsible for taste were not, and in probably equal amounts "per leaf", but not "per gram".
Thanks for growing answers!!! Nice to know someone of intelligence is doing some worth while research using these new types of artificial lighting. Thanks and keep up the good work/research. I look forward to watching more of your videos. Ps the time laps was an awsome way to show the difference between the two types of lighting!!!
Sun : Am I a joke to you?
The sun is trash we’re I live in Ireland
@@danielaghedo9551 what does "trash" mean?
@@topazpowell8561 crap
@@topazpowell8561 Probably a joke where it's almost always cloudy on most days with less sunshine being up northern europe. Not the best place for plants that need a lot of sunlight.
@@lihlin9285 Thank you Lih Lin.
I appreciate your concise but fact packed video! I've been experimenting with different lights for starting seedlings lately and your findings have been really helpful. Will be sure to check out more. Cheers!
I can't wait for part 2 this is an exciting video, thanks to your experiments I've been able to optimize my grow system , thanks for all your hard work Ryan!
Great video short and sweet and answered exactly what I wanted to know, would love to see the same test on a flowing plant in the bloom stage to see if the results differ
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I just germinated seeds in hours, put some pepper, tomato and broccoli seeds in a brown napkin yesterday. I've got them in soil two weeks and nothing yet but I'm ready. I put in paper towel to make sure viable and broccoli and peppers already popping tails...yay!!!
Seeds are so cheap it's pointless to pop them like they expensive cannabis seed, Toss 2-3 in each hole and cull the weak after they're a weekish old. You can put them in a shot glass filled with distilled water and 2-3 drops of hydrogen peroxide for 12-24 hours then pop them right into your medium. This way they'll have some protection from dampening off fungal infection and you can see how viable they are. Plus seeds will start to acclimate to the napkin and when you switch them to soil it can cause them to get nutrient burn, but if they're started in the soil after the soak it reduces these chances to almost zero. Good luck with the garden!
You set my mind at ease regarding my choice of already purchased white lights. This was great thanks a bunch! 🤗🇨🇦
I think it would have been important to dehydrate the plants and see their "true" weight. The non-green plant may have been more dense, and technically "larger" than the green one. Then burn the dehydrated mass to extract and weigh the various vitamins (copper, iron, potassium, etc) contained. The reason for the bad taste could have meant more nutrients were present.
He did say hobbyist. I did not see a university style laboratory in this but a nice comparison video on led lighting with lettuce.
@@lostcivility9849 do it right, or don't do it.
@@kennethkline7702 go on then kenneth, show us how its done
@@kennethkline7702 If that was any scientists actual approach nothing would ever get done. What a clown. At this scale, for this purpose, this was a fine experiment.
Just be glad he used more than one plant on each side, ya testicle.
White is for vegetational growth
Reds and stuff are for flowering.
I'm growing my weed with the purple red light
@@albertoasia1368it will grow nicely with the blurple light ive grown my first plant with a cheap purple light and they got big and dense buds
@@reefermadness7155 it's good cause I had the whole set up for free. I didnt spend a penny. 💗💗💗
@@albertoasia1368 nice man good growing
for all the ppl that will call me incorrect the white light is actually all colors of light combined so with the colored led you are actually limiting the radiation from that spectrum Visible light waves are the only electromagnetic waves we can see. We see these waves as the colors of the rainbow. Each color has a different wavelength. ... White light is actually made of all of the colors of the rainbow because it contains all wavelengths, and it is described as poly-chromatic light
Im gonna be using metal halides for my system for the simple reason that when I observed saltwater aquariums equipped with metal halid lights the color of the coral was superior than that of led this is just my opinion I've tried T5's when they came out and i wasn't impressed prolly better now but doesn't matter the halides were free
Plants are not designed to grow that fast. *taking shortcuts degrades the plants full potential to build nutrients.
Why guttation occurs frequently. *due to root pressure.
Many believe it's caused by over watering.
This is not the case.
There is guttation & forced guttation.
I know spectrums pretty good. I studied the circadian clock for a few years & it gave me a perspective that can't be changed..
The best way to mimic nature is to use a full spectrum..
The best way to speed up production is ultra bright light.
The best way to achieve vitamin richness is to use a combination of both!
The reason for the bitter is due to the build up of the protective properties in plants *short answer
It is what is responsible for the bitterness found in many vegetation.
High in vitamin B's
Lacking chlorophyll A & B
(There are 4 or 5 types of chlorophyll *can't remember)
If you would like a serious break down. I can do that. But I'd want compensation.
🤣 my time is not free 😆
Almost forgot (:
(:Great video!!
Really great video. Short, snappy and to the point.
Wondering if you managed to do a cost analysis of electricity, seeds and potting compost per plant vs store bought lettuce.
The comparison with an Osram Phytofy RL panel programed to grow seeds then green leaves would have been great, to see if the extra cost is worth the extra production and quality.
You just need the blue spectrum LEDs for green leaves, together with full spectrum white LEDs. It's not just the one or the other, the white and the blue/red/white LEDs. It depends on the vegetation stage, if you want to simulate dawn/sunset, etc.
Now that we have both infrared and UV LEDs, I will be playing with these 2 in a very small ratio compared with the growing LEDs.
Just like direct LED lighting hurt our eyes, I think I'll try with a translucent glass between the LEDs and the plants, just like there is atmosphere refraction on Earth, it may be why you experienced burns on some (very few) leaves.
Thank you sooooo much for this video. I am studying grow lights, in order to get a head start on my summer plants.
the amount of electricity needed to grow a couple of bowks of lettuce.
these comparisons are only good if you are growing weed indoors hahahaha. get a good old hps 600w bulb, compare with leds, see the scam leds are.
You have to use clones as a control. Any plant from seed will vary in size depending on the seeds growth potential.
I don't understand the logics on using red blue light. The sun is warm white light around 5000K. Plants are adapted to use the wave length nothing else.
I wouldnt have never imaginated (sorry for bad english btw) to be in the middle of a war between led colors...please, go on! haha
OP, your video was really informative. Im trying to grow my own microgreens garden!
*Video says LED's work because they can grow the easiest veggie there is to grow* *grow a tomato plant, we can be the judge as to why the LED's aren't strong enough*
The higher percentage of blue light in your RB led is the reason of higher chlorophyll compared to the RGB led ;) and blue surpresses leave extension so the leaves were less elongated than RGB because of that, despite the same amount of red.
hey. you gained my follow 👍 simply just because there was no fuck arounds. you keept it informativ and compact Plus thought of the Taste as well . Nice! i be back
I know exactly why at least 40% of us are here lol
Nank Dug you grow tomatoes too?
good olde "veges”
RUclips recommended this. I can't even keep a potted cactus alive
a special type of lettuce
In the 1980s NASA released info on plants and the light spectrums they need. You basically gave lettuce more of all the vitamins it needed with blue 440-500nanometer spectrum light (left). Leafy greens do not need other spectrums of light.
And yet, white light clearly produced a better yield.
@@TheRanguna Yes, because it has more blue spectrum which is the only thing leafy greens use. Do you have reading problems?
@@9001greg Doesn't white and blue red have the same amount of blue ?
@@TheRanguna No...
@@9001greg Well, it probably depends on the bulb.
Two years later and this video was a million times more helpful than other videos and google searches thank you!
Thank you! I have a new red/blue 200w(real) led and i couldnt figure out why my plants where doing so slow compared to some other 500w cfl (100w real) that i have...now i know that it will matter on the end product, after flowering.
the amount of watts drawn doesn't tell you how much brightness is there. Fluorescent can be 0.95 umol/w whereas the best LEDs are all 2.0 - 2.4 umol/w, literally twice as efficient. The problem is that generic LED can be much less efficient than 2.0 umol/w. Ideally, one should avoid LEDs with isolated bands of frequencies and just go for a broad spectrum light that's white from 3000 - 4000 kelvin.
Não gostei da cor da que estava á direita. A verde é melhor.
It is my understanding that 6,500k is the best color temperature for growing. I was surprised that the white light used in this video did so well considering it is at a much cooler color temperature. I would be interested to see a comparison between a 6,500K white light vs the one you used in the video.
5 years later, the science has shifted, most grow lights are within the 3000k-5000k spectrum now.
Do this same test but with weed plants.
have we already legalized?
@@bebehasbebehas2287 does it matter?
Useful video buddy, congratulations!
"how to grow w..*Delete*....lettuce faster"
actually, we are talking begonias in my case. Those tropical plants are expensive, and too beautiful and precious to let them die in cold winter months.
@@bebehasbebehas2287 r/whoooosh
@@breezetix You used that meme wrong
Great video thank you! My understanding of the lights has been white spectrum (5k-6500) is needed for initial growth for most plants that can be sustained but for fruit producing plants like strawberries or tomatoes going to more of a red spectrum (
man do this with cannabis
Years of videos of that already.
"Hey babe, wanna eat lettuce with me on tape?"
they stopped using tape about 30 years ago. On video.
@@bebehasbebehas2287 don't be a salty dingus, it's a joke
Nice. I would be interested to see what the 'dry mass' was of both types also. I was thinking that the white light plants may have more water content - perhaps larger or less compact cells and the bitter taste of the RGB plants may be as a result of this. Liked the experiment - well done.
Done something similar on my last grow,purely accidental.Started grow under mars hydro purple,friend gave me a white led spider farmer 5 weeks into grow.Results were beyond belief,best I ever had.This 50/50 mix seems best of all,just my take on things!
The white led is it cool white or warm white or will any white led work. I'm planting lettuce.
What temperature were the white lights? I wonder if 6500k would be too high for leafy greens.
depv around 3000k for white. Blurple has no temp.
Of course I found this after I bought a red blue light for my greens. As a novice I'm slightly discouraged. 😔
Melanie Stewart Dont be!!
Thats not an entirely fair comparison though because there is still more plant material under the white light. Since he didnt measure the nutrient content of the plants, we can only make assumptions(what you said is true about darker greens). If you're getting your lettuce this way, its unlikely that the limiting factor is how much you can eat, seeing as thats like 6 salads in a month there. Each individual plant in this experiment probably has about the same total nutrient value, with the blue red just having a higher density. If you are able to grow all of the vegetables you need though, and your ability to eat them is the limiting factor, then you definitely would want to optimize the plants to be as nutritive as possible. Either way, people growing and eating their own greens is only good at the end of the day, even if they arent packing the maximum amount of nutrition.
@Mike E defiantly lol🤣
Get a quantum board. They're pricey but well worth it. Blue purple led's are no match to decent white led. White led in 3000k spectrum is perfect for all stages and will kick any other lights ass for efficiency and yield
Melanie Stewart I’m a novice too! I also bought a R/B light for my herbs. They haven’t sprouted yet . But hoping it works!
White beat the multicolor light by far!! 😁
I wish I found your channel a few weeks ago (bought some lights in a rush. Would have made different choices had I known what I'm learning from you). Love the channel, keep it up!
Thank you Ryan i been looking for really good information on Purple vs White lights Thank you soo much
Red light spectrum only applies if blossom is involved. You basacly have here summer(White light, more blue light) and red light(fall aproaching , causing plants to retreat chlorophyll and going into reproduce mode) it depends on the plant btw. White / blue light for growth and red light for blossom, easy as that.
It doesn't depend on the plant, the average mass in his experiment showed an average of less mass, which would logically mean less bud production as well.
Thank you for this test. I bought white light leds only because I don’t like working under colored light. It’s nice to know I haven’t had to sacrifice quality. LIKED 👍
Was it ever validated if the color LED produced more nutrient plants? This was at 2:30
Did he said red-blue light tasted better or bitter?
谢谢你的分享！我使用红蓝LED灯种植出来的生菜也是味道很苦，和你的结果是一致的
Thanks for sharing! The lettuce that I planted with the red and blue LED lights is also very bitter and is consistent with your results.
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IMO: The red/blue color gives the lettuce enough light(just right spectrum they needed) so no need for them to grow their leaves more widely. On the other side, with the white light, the lettuce needs wider leaf to absorb more light they needed. Just like when you give them enough sunlight and not giving them enough sunlight.
Bro I have red blue grow light but I turn it off here these are my reasons
1 . Serious headache 😫
2. my eye sight loos they damaged .y eyes bad
3. Making fish really uncomfortable they just hide from light and few died.
These lights were no good for my aquarium.
Thank you for the scientific analogy
This is a much better video format than your older videos. It's clear you're dedicated and improving! I've noticed the same bitter taste with plants grown under blurple.
I'm putting together a 250w fixture of 150w warm white COB and 2 50w 'full spectrum' cobs from Lustreon - we'll see how she goes.
Sounds like it should work well. And thanks. Ive made videos long before RUclips existed actually. I used to spend ridiculous amounts of time on them, but those were mostly short films. After that I did various things with video and never really stuck with one thing. The reason my older videos were poor was because I got very put off by video making and became lazy about it. I tried to edit as little as possible and also tried to make the process less complicated (on my part). My focus became just getting the information out there without any good structure. Honestly I still don't really like making videos. It used to be a hobby about 16 years ago, but after a certain point it just felt like work with no pay off. But now I get paid so it's sort of like running my own business so I treat it as such. I would still do experiments and grow stuff even if I didn't film it though.
Zachary Melo has nZSgy
Robert Theref ur right in most cases, but coating a lens with a color doesn’t make a light change color, it merely filters out the other colors and you are left with a single color. It certainly changes the ratio from one color to the other, but doesn’t add any. in other words, you don’t make a white light “more” red by adding a color filter. You’d be better off adding a red light in addition to the white light.
Robert Theref filtering the light will waste energy. The plant does the filtering through its pigments.
Would b great to see a test run with both types of lights in the grow!
WITH SOIL AND SUNSHINE IT IS STILL THE BEST SOLUTION...
GO BACK TO THE BASICS
I'll put my soil&LED indoor produced vs any outdoor produce on the planet. Yes, the free sun makes it hard to beat during summer but to keep production all year round a farmer must use LED's or only produce goods during summer. Literally under 10 bucks a month in electricity per light and each light will produce countless seedling and clones with minimal investment. I can make 100's of dollars a month per LED with little to no overhead.
Oh my baby. I heard red lights are better for flowering? lettuce no flower,that's the reason maybe?
Red light is part of white light. The ratio of red to blue is what matters. To put that into perspective, if you added green LED's to a RED/BLUE light, the light would appear white. The reason is that plants go into a type of dormancy when given too much of only a few different targeted wavelengths. Tuned spectrum lights can work better in certain situations and with certain types of plants, but that's the problem. One light that has a static ratio of target wavelengths cannot be expected to work as general purpose grow light. That's why white light is a fail-safe for the uneducated. There is no guessing with white light, it just works.
Robert Theref I’m aware. But this video is mainly about cheap amazon lights and second to that is spectrum. This video is not referring to all grow lights or every situation. Its merely a demonstration an observation.
@@TheMusicHeals.kjhjhhg I know that when I am growing lettuce for salad that trichrome production is the most important part. So I should make sure I optimize the lights for trichromes. On my lettuce.
@@toddschriver9924 trichomes on the lettuce.. lol .
True. It has mostly red so thats why it makes plant go green slower. Its a fact.
Seems like a no brainer to me; the white LED's contain red light and all other frequencies. Vice versa, not so much.
Machiel van Rheenen “white” LEDs are actually blue
@@epiccollision wow. Didn't know that. Thx.
Actually the most important would have been to have them tested to which one had more nutrient value. Visually speaking it appeared to me the white light plants looked much healthier to me.
one comment too to factor: White LEDS do dim over time while still consuming same energy. This is due to degradation of the phosphor element in the LED. The colored leds won't have this issue.
Great video man keep it up !!!
Did you try a 6 or 12 band light vs white light?
When ur getting into that many different colors, you might as well be using white light. In a sense though the white leds in the panel mixed in with the red/blue take the place of those multiple bands.
I was totally bald and sat underneath a colour LED light for just a month and guess what I look like Bob Marley now !!!
So...you're still bald but a black African now? 😄
*Awesome video. Thanks!*
You grew this much lettuce in two weeks??? 😳 How.. That's insane.
Hydro is faster.
Hydro is less effort for the plant to send out roots to collect nutrients and water.
@I trigger people But it's pretty easy to keep conditions stable. Once you know the nutrients / light settings etc. shouldn't it be easy?
I just have one question. Why so many vertical farms use blue/red led light? How could you outsmart them?!?!
This guy was not looking for answers to his questions but was giving only facts that presented.
Excellent presentation.
A+++++
Really like this video. Great shots, contains all the info I hoped for and it's still compact. Pleasantly professional.
ok time to grow weed
You can get similar results by growing one plant in the shade, and one in full sun. The plant in the shade will have larger, darker leaves than the one in the sun. The one in the sun will have smaller, but less fleshy leaves.
You get a similar result with variegated plants. Variegated plants in low light have to produce more chlorophyll to compensate for the lower light levels, so they'll often lose their variegation and have dark green leaves, whereas the plants with ample light don't need so much chlorophyll, so they retain their variegation.
Not sure that this proves more than the white light wasn't as efficient as the red and blue.
Who else is here thx to their random recommended?
Been watching to much hannibal buress?
"You gotta eat the lettuces, right, just straight up eat the lettuce"
for anything without a fruit or fruiting stage white light would be better. White for veg red and blue for fruit.
TheIrishraven14 wrong
@@themurraypeeps5795 how so? nice of you to say wrong but not say how :D
@@TheIrishraven14 you don't need other colors just double the wattage. You can flower with all fluorescent tubes!
And of course you
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How about mixing both lights in one grow?
Peter XYZ Better in white. 😊
the white Leds allready has red light in it
That's because there's a higher concentration of utilizable healthy light on the red blue white side, the leaves grow thicker and denser because of it. I did a pine tree experiment when I was a kid and a sprouts rapid timelapse demonstration of. The plants grown in zero lume darkness in the closet grew huge pale leaves and the one under 24hour grow light grew dark green and a asthetically stunted but intensely healthy in comparison to a natural third outdoor open air naturally grown plant. The plant under that blue red white light is actually healthier with thicker smaller denser leaves. Those lights go on a timer. Try 23 on one off. 22 on 2 off or 24 divided by 4 or 5 or 6. One hour on one hour off. One hour on TEN MINUTES off. You'll see what I'm talking about. Got a book for about this. It's called "THE CELESTINE PROPHECIES" can't remember the author I'm sorry. - Adam
What are you growing 😂😂 I dream of having those lights I’ll grow so much weed
Devan Garcia u aint growin anything good with 100-200 PAR
I used only two rows of red/blue lights. Along with an infrared heater.
One problem is my onions had root molding problems..
But they did make the hottest best tasting onion tops I have ever eaten.
Growth rate was too fast.. And tended to cause poor roots..
One night I was awoke by a ticking sound..
Turns out onion tops had made contact with the shiny foil surrounding the plants..
And would grown, and bend, then spring up with a tick sound...
Scared the Hades out of me.. As plants are not suppose to make noises.. lol
Now all you need to do is test for which has more nutrients in the leaves lol.
Pound for pound I'd bet they're the same, just the ones on the left taste milder. Here's the question...do you want elongated mild leaves or compact bitter growth? If you're growing lettuce to sell by the pound pick the left. If you're growing lettuce as a source of nutrients pick the one on the right.
Very interesting. I've always wanted to know the differences between White LED vs Red Blue White LED
What is the energy used to mass achived ratio comparison between the two experiments?
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