Die Wise: Stephen Jenkinson
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- Опубликовано: 1 янв 2018
- Stephen Jenkinson's book Die Wise is for everyone who is not going to pull off eternity after all. It places death at the center of the page and asks us to understand that dying must be the fullest expression and incarnation of what we’ve learned by living - to behold it in all its painful beauty. He talks of dying well as a moral, political, and spiritual obligation that each person owes their ancestors and their heirs, and describes the North American death trade as death phobic and grief illiterate, able only to deliver on the demand to live, a deep-running culturally-derived adversary rather than a companion with death.
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I had the good fortune to stumble upon this video by accident. My first impression: I still have to figure out what Stephen is saying. I have only a hint of what his message(s) is/are. But the good thing is that in the RUclips feed (to the right) there are several other vids by Stephen and I will be looking at them to see what I might learn. We all have to start somewhere. As several have pointed out, the comments section shows that there are still thinkers living among us.
I have been a pupil of this guy for many years, I think he is a prophet and I just found this video of him speaking at a medical conference of some kind and he is a wonderful speaker with a message that needs to be heard.
You really need to start looking DEEPER. Jenkinson is a bait and switch charlatan-- his real goal is to get western people to accept a primitive level of consciousness - which is one based on nature and tribalism and not the individual and LOVE. The problem is people have no understanding of why God created us and what our purpose on earth really is --- so when they die they are frightened. Primitive cultures have a collective consciousness they are TRIBAL. This is the exact opposite of the evolution our human consciousness is taking ----- Jesus Christ told the world that man's purpose was to love his neighbor as himself -- to love his enemy as himself. YOU CAN NOT DO THIS IF YOU ARE TRIBAL. Western civilization which was built on Christianity emphasis' on the importance of the individual. Individual Freedom is needed to freely love your enemy. When you are in a tribe and think like a tribe you can not REACH God's ultimate Goal for mankind. Which is LOVE. A bunch of white people who have no religion or understanding of why God created them - of course are afraid of dying -- the answer should be to study your New Testament -- Jesus shows you the way and once you know the way --- YOU WILL NOT FEAR DEATH.
I preferred watching him doing "the work" (in Griefwalker) rather than talking about it. That documentary was released 10 years before this talk and in that time, it appears he was left feeling rebuffed by the "dying trade" as well as deeply disappointed in western culture's approach to death. Understandable. He has way of speaking around his point, like a spiral. While he is very intellectual, he is not linear in his expression. This probably confounds many, especially in the medical world !!
Adversity rather than companionship. Well said.
Culture, by definition, restricts personal expression. If the American "culture" is all about personal expression, then America suffers from a cultural void.
(almost) Precisely what Baudrillard called America for: a cultural desert.
... Non duality might be an ideal state of achievement arrived at through meditation. Maybe. Duality is important for perspective else how are we to differentiate one thing from another. I'm going to have another listen to this little lecture.
No ideal state of achievement. It IS. You don't lost duality. You've learned it.
It's not a method for achievement. Unpacked it is simply the embodiment of the idea that having never left the house we are looking for the way home. The sage said this first - Nisargadatta 🟣
They are not at odds, duality and nonduality. Every boundary is a testament to this since any boundary paradoxically separates but also make inseparable any two being or dimensions it bounds.
Wow...this comments section...
Terrance mckenna is someone who has a lot to say about culture.
that guy was awsum loved his interviews on coast to coast am with art bell an his lectures before he past away
Yes, another of my idols. Felt like Jenkinson came close to McKennas idea that culture is not your friend at one point in this talk.
Culture is not your friend
Jenkinson always seems to go on and on without ever really saying very much. Every theme and idea is explored in vague superficiality using this psuedospiritual verbosity. He never engages with any idea or theme narrowly. There is seldomly ever data, proposed solutions, or coherent criticisms. Steve, we understand you have a problem with Western culture's way of dying, but just understanding that you have a problem with it, doesn't get anybody anywhere in anyway.
He has spent more time than almost anyone else down in the trenches face to face with dying people. To me, that is engaging with these ideas in a very concrete, non-abstract way. He certainly speaks with a distinctive flourish, but I think the criticisms and proposed solutions are there if you listen for them. For example, he is very clearly opposed to the widely-accepted idea (which the medical profession all too happily obliges) that life should be extended almost no matter the cost, financially or psychologically speaking. The solution to this is largely a shift in our culture-informed beliefs - to recognize that there are good and bad ways to die.
When you say "always"', it implies to me that you're at least fairly caught up on all his works, all his talks. At least mostly there, if not all the way. Whether that's true or not, your concerns confuse me. Jenkinson's speech seems to me a kind that enacts as best it can a different sense of place and time from the linear, future-oriented stream most of those people in his audience likely embody everyday, intentionally or otherwise. To call that vaguely shallow is to have missed the boat, seems to me. What do you think "narrow" looks like? Narrow like, problem-solution, binary equation, true-untrue? Something else? I don't know, but this way of speaking arrives at sharpness, keenness, in place of "narrow". Lastly, I think if you're asking for a handout on solutions, you're expecting something he's not offering, which is fine, but I wouldn't encourage anyone to confuse their habituated expectations with what's on offer from a poet. And that's what's happening here: a poet is speaking out, and this is what it can sound like. I'll just say, listening to him usually "gets me somewhere, some way."
@Time Trap: perhaps his very eloquent speech is a bit beyond your ken ? Because he concentrates a lot of very pertinent ideas into these 20 min. Maybe too abstract for some.
@@TheSoteriologist Care to list his solutions/suggestions? I listened to most of it and could not deduce what they are.
@@MM-Iconoclast Listen to this first: ruclips.net/video/dI64QOTMYPE/видео.html
Do you believe in Jesus Christ?
No. Simply because there are as many interpretations as to who Jesus Christ was as there are stars in the universe. Your belief in Jesus is your own - albeit informed by (what I imagine is) the printed King James Bible and interpreted by people you trust and believe. There is no other corroborating evidence that this man - as described by the four included gospels (never-mind the non-included gospels), ever existed as one, singular human being. The same goes for Moses, as well. These are fantasy stories; nothing more. I do wish you peace on your journey...
Dumb question.. who cares??
Yes I do Sister. I was saved and born again a few years ago. Stephen is a false shepherd leading lost people further away from the way the Truth and the life. Why we die Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. the description is wrong also in this video "everyone who is not going to pull off eternity after all." wrong again everyone will spend entirety in one of two places read here about the unsaved rich man Luke 16:22, And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23, And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24, And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. Rev 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
AVMaritimesministry oh please, yours is. Blind faith based on a book. Stephen exhibits more kindness and compassion and Christ like qualities than you will ever be able to comprehend. So pipe down
@@randyclere2330 Are you Saved?
I feel bad for this man. He thinks he has all the answers...but he never mentions Jesus Christ. Sad. We all do live forever...we die on earth, but we will live forever and we have two places to choose from...Heaven or Hell....Truth
Terri McCann some people do not believe in Jesus. So that is to be excepted as well as being religious. Spiritually comes in many ways, Jesus is only one of them.
I'd listen more closely, of possibly read one of his books, before stating so certainly that "he thinks he has all the answers."
so I guess you're saying.. Cultural Issues "no"
I personally don't see where one's religious believes are questioned at all here.
Your comment indicates that you think you do have all the answers, for everyone.
Terri...the first 22 minutes of this interview will expand on his background: ruclips.net/video/dI64QOTMYPE/видео.html
After watching it (If you do) see if your attitude towards him changes.
No substance. Empty talk. Time wasted.