Higher than dragons tits. 😂😅😂😅 Disc golf and weed might have some crossover. I bet it pisses the hardcore Bros off when Calvin comes in blazed and shoots circles around them.
What's weird and funny about this whole thing is the fact that Cole waited until FPO was done and they were ready to tee off again before deciding to leave because it was taking too long. Should've left after 10-15mins if you had a real issue with the time it was taking. Clearly something else was going on that was getting to him or he was trying to proof a point with FPO having their playoffs while MPO was in the middle of their round. Disc golf is so disorginized. FPO shouldn't be playing the same days or same courses as MPO. They need to be more separated.
Here we go. Get the women on their own dedicated track, and so many problems get fixed. No overlap delays. No FPO field limits. No issues setting the course for current FPO ratings (i.e., no elevated baskets on hills)
@@goodnerarts1206 They should be on tour separately from the MPO. Imagine the LPGA trying to ride the coattails and profitability of the PGA in golf. It doesn't make any sense.
There's still not a lot of money in disc golf. They don't have the money or resources to have FPO playing on different days or courses for the most part.
Brodie definitely hit a nerve that I think doesn’t get talked about enough: the am vs pro side of the sport. People keep trying to conflate both sides as one singular image of the sport and that frankly will never happen. If we really want the sport on the professional side to grow and be taken seriously enough to gain sponsors to make the tour profitable for the players then they’re gonna have to do things that the ams will hate and separate themselves that way. And the ams can keep to themselves and continue creating their own subcultures separate from the tour because any sport is meant to be played with enjoyment. Our sport is definitely at a pivotal time in its development no question
Exactly. A lot of people play church baseball or softball leagues for fun, or rec basketball games... those aren't held to the level of professionalism that the MLB or NBA are. In most professional sports, if you just decide not to participate, you get fined, because you're being paid to play. You are sponsored because your sponsors are buying exposure. YOU are the product being advertised. People see you throw discs, they want those discs. They see your bag, they want it. You aren't there, you aren't giving the brand the exposure they are paying you for. And while we're on the subject of professionalism... GET RID OF SELF OFFICIATING! It's fine for am stuff, but there should at LEAST be professional officials at the pro tour level. Players being officials against their competition is nonsense when there are tens of thousands of dollars on the line at times.
I don’t know where I stand on this question myself. That said, one of the things that draws me to the pro side is the inherent lack of isolation between the pro and am side of the sport.
The pro level is too close to the am level. If we want a pro tour - changes need to be made to the pro-level game: cut lines, longer holes, smaller baskets, more trees, sand traps,...I don't know exactly what. But the pro level should not be so accessible to so many players.
@@ETXBI fully agree with you. The separation between a low level player at a pro tour event and your average pretty good local disc golfer isn’t really that far apart. I think the field should be much smaller to be honest. The reality is that many “professional” disc golfers aren’t really making a good living anyway. Cut the field so that those who do play in these pro tour events have a shot at really making at least an okay living. It also could improve the fan experience because your resources for coverage aren’t spread as thin and maybe there’s even a path to having officials on every card so players can focus on their play and not officiating rules. Would this exclude a lot of current “professionals”? Yeah probably, but in every major sport (not that disc golf is in the same category), you learn pretty early on that the dream is reserved for a small group of elite players. Right now you have a ton of people who think they deserve to be playing in front of galleries when the reality is that they should just be playing for fun.
@@barnee27but if you shrink it it just becomes a private members club for frisbee, it would be harder to respect the players living their gilded frisbee joke job. The concept of a professional disc golfer is already somewhat tenuous, you need wide fields to keep it accessible and let new talent break in. It's already quite hard to progress as tournaments fill up so quickly
100% - cuts need to be standard on the final round of every pro event, imo. Having a hundred MPOs still playing on the last day is just dumb, and a ton of extra unnecessary work for no reason.
Like in the PGA, after round 2 if you’re out of the cash line, you should be cut from the field. The majority of tourneys wouldn’t be impacted, but this should be the norm for 3 round+ tourneys.
Posting a video about it AND laughing in the video like he didn't care = super unprofessional. He just showed that he's still an immature kid, not a pro.
interesting i thought DGA would just pay for his tournament entries and his supplies like discs and what not. and also travel. i don't think they pay him weekly but not sure. but that move will potentially affect deals in the future.
100 agree guys. There are thousands of guys grinding out there trying to break 1000, trying to get a tour card, trying to get into tournaments like this, and seeing a pro walk off a course and DNF just because they weren't playing well is a slap in the face to the guys who want to be there. Injury? fine Personal/Family emergency? fine, but just this sucks and deuces? That burns me up
Brodie I agree up to a certain extent. Everyone takes things different and it’s right it’s all in how you react and come back from it but me and you can get into a car accident the same car accident and get hit the exact same I can come out with a broken leg and you come out with just a cut but you’re just fine. Cause everything is different and react differently. Like if my mom dies I could be lost devastated and you could be sad but get over it quicker. Everyone’s different man gotta remember that
When on a Pro tour, if not injured or an emergency, you finish the round. Making a video like this, with giggling/laughing in it, being SPONSORED, any age or gender, it's a bad look! Brodie is spot on with his take.
So, pace of play is a problem in the AM's as well. In AM tournaments we usually play 2 rounds in 1 day. In my area, there is a very heavy "person" that is playing all of the tournaments in the state, it cannot walk fast or bend over to pick up a disc. So it holds up the entire tournament for 4.25 hour rounds. TD's won't say a thing to this person. This was the latest tournament... We teed off at 9:10am, finish at 1:38pm and tee off 2nd round @ 2:15... That's not much time in between to take care of business. I refuse to play any tournaments this slowpoke has signed up for.
Grow a pair and tell him he's holding up the lives of others. If his card mates won't do anything, goto the TM. If the Tam won't do anything about it, goto the PDGA.
Ya this is weird. It sounds like he didn't want to face his actual play level. Somehow not finishing means he didn't have to have an assigned number, compared to a DNF. Face your results head on and accept the outcome, don't run from it.
A lot of pros in every sport have these cringe type moments and the only difference here is that DG isn't as established as all the other big money sports out there. I dont think what Cole did will tarnish anything. The more the media, like this, put it in the spotlight, the more it makes things look bad. Throwing it out of proportion is whats going to hurt the sport, seriously. Now its up to Cole to make amends or HE will lose any credibility, dignity, and respect from fans.
I can understand being frustrated if an FPO playoff halts your round. But that's not how you handle it from a professionalism standpoint. You finish your round and you use your post-tourney platform to discuss it. Making a jokey content video of you walking off is a performative temper-tantrum.
He was around 85th place, Blaming FPO for going to playoff while leaving to save his rating/average finish is a cowardly move. All DGPT MPO players know that the bottom cards play behind a fimed/spectated FPO lead card.
Players should be able to bail whenever during a round for whatever reason. It reflects on the character player. He showed his immaturity, it is that simple. I think it is up to his sponsors to pressure (maybe fine him) and guide him on moves like this. I played back when we cut to final 9 holes for the leaders. I totally agree with dirtycal3461. Tournaments should have cuts.
To expand on Zack's first point. We should emphasize and normalize not playing while injured in our sport. Elbow and shoulder injuries are ones that you can think aren't bad enough to work through that can quickly worsen over the course of a round.
It’s tough for solo sport to be young and if you don’t have right support / role model. But these things happen in team sports too. Hope someone will talk to him and I Hope he’ll understand the mistake and come back stronger. Disc golf is great sport and it need to have high standards.
Very great comments from Brodie about bifurcation. I agree, as a very casual old guy I don't want it to get too serious but pros need to definitely get a more unified and professional union. In regards to Cole, it was disappointing to see as I feel he was going to be very big. In pro ball golf, players bail all the time when they play bad to catch a flight etc,. but always says it is a slight injury or upset stomach. He should have just did that of course, and yes he is young and will learn like we all do. I am still a fan if he gets online and apologizes. Cmon, Cole!
Wait we're not gonna address the fact that his card had been waiting 45 MINUTES?! Now there's something that doesn't happen in real professional sports.
@@iambfoye weather, accidents, slow play, overtime, power outage, streaker, a fight…there are many reasons that sporting events can be delayed. Delays do happen in professional sports and nothing about this particular delay means that disc golf is not a “real”professional sport
@iambfoye to say it's unacceptable is to say it didn't have to happen. It's facts, delays are going ti happen. Also the delay being a problem was acknowledged as a separate issue. Not the issue of Ol boys behavior as a professional.
Cole doesn't elaborate about the headspace he's in, but he should also keep in mind that DNFing a tournament could affect his sponsorships. As Calvin and Zack mentioned, "it's not a good look, and it opens a door" they don't want open. The worst scenario for Cole would be if his sponsors decide "that's not a good look," and his sponsorships go away, especially if DNFing breaches any of his contracts. Cole's young, and this can maybe be chalked up to a young player making an immature decision, especially his video laughing and mocking the situation - kinda shows his age and immaturity. And that's fine, it can happen, but Cole also needs to realize that, as one of the top players in pro disc golf, he's representing the league as well as himself and his sponsors. Doing this embarrasses the tournament and the other players. And as a professional player, the last thing Cole needs or wants is for his league, his fellow athletes, and the fans to no longer take him seriously. Whoever he has in his confidence needs to sit him down and have a real conversation about this. He doesn't want to be going to tournaments, playing in isolation, competing on an island, having lost the camaraderie and trust of everyone around him.
Imagine if a basketball or football team just walked off with 15 minutes left in the game because they were down. They'd be thrown out of the league. There's more to a "sport" than just the scoreboard. Fans paid to see you play. Sponsors paid for players to play.
Disc Golf desperately needs Impartial people to make calls on cards using instant replay if they need to. I saw an FPO lady get screwed by her card mates on an OB call because she is new I guess. It’s crazy that someone you are tied with can potentially be shady and have you lose a stroke on a bogus foot fault or something.
Also people do things that cause conversations and are completely wrong and then just apologize likes it’s nothing. Either stand up for what your believe in or take responsibility for your actions or stay out of the public’s eye. Because not everyone’s going to always like what you do.
There needs to be a fine for DNFs without injury. Taking the spot of someone who would have enjoyed playing the whole tournament. His sponsors need to be on top of their players about things like that.
I like Cole’s decision to retire, it’s no more disrespectful than the DGPT interrupting the flow of his round due to terrible planning and execution. Him exposing the fact that the way the dgpt runs pro events is a joke is commendable. Would the pga tour allow this? What would a pga player do if he was backed for 45 min in his round because of a delay caused by an lpga event he is not even in? Pga tour players would loose their minds collectively. The answer would be to only have one tournament on one course at a time not to try to run 2 tournaments simultaneously. They know the risk of cramming in too many players and 2 events and they are aware of the consequences, but don’t care that those consequences effect the players in a negative way. This is the dgpt fault 100% .
@@mondaysinthecosmosbut also he should’ve just dnf before the playoff even because he didn’t wanna wait after is odd because like Calvin said it barely saved him time
I was winning a tournament last weekend with 4 holes left. and triple bogeyed... I wanted to walk off so bad but i still finished. even though my mental was such in a dark space.
I like the point that Brody makes, there is room for two interpretations of the sport, casual-fun-funky, or professional. When you play professionally, you play serious and when you play serious, you do not drop out. Sponsor should step in and have serious conversations with Cole. You’re obligated to play because you have the talent and the sponsorship. Anyone that supports a dropout is a dropout. If you want to consider logistics, every person knows you can reschedule a flight. You can reschedule an Uber. Logistics are a poor excuse. And if logistics are the main reason, then his sponsor should take care of the logistics. There is a different approach when you sign up for a tournament compared to when you’re playing with the boys. More than likely Cole is just young. He would benefit from older mentors. Toughness is earned. Learn. Only come from experience. Dropping out is a hell of an experience to build on.
terrible ook from one of my favorite players to watch, i hope he recovers well from this and bounces back, not gonna write him off over something like this
I guess everyone just forgot how much sh$t Brodie was saying a couple months ago how he’s over it, it’s not fun anymore, he doesn’t care and etc… no one lashing out about professionalism for those comments? No one talking about sponsors reprimanding him for giving the sport a “bad look”?
People absolutely shit all over him for that for like a month. That was definitely a bad look, and he got pummeled for it. Doesn't make what he's saying here wrong though.
Mr. Unprofessional complaining about someone not being professional. Oh the irony. Go play some c-tiers if you really like disc golf cromagnon man. Or better yet, if you really care about the sport volunteer to be a spotter.
It's a bad look for sure. I think Cole is an awesome player, but that was a bad decision to make a social media post. He's a pro and needs to be more aware of the optics of what he does. And I totally agree it's pretty disrespectful. Ricky played and won a tournament after his sister passed away.
Rules said can’t walk into pond and get disc in a tourney. I didn’t read them. Walked into the water and a card mate pointed it out so I disqualified myself. It said disqualification in the rules but the card and spotter said they wouldn’t say anything and I still disqualified myself
This reminds me of Antonio Brown taking his jersey off, walking off the field in the middle of the game,and making a mockery of the sport. Especially the fans coming to see you etc.
There was a pro in a different sport who recently quit playing in the middle of a game and he has not played professionally since (Antonio Brown playing for the TB Bucs)
He's making a point that the DGPT is a joke, how is it fair he has to wait 45min during his round and the leaders get preferable tee times spaced out so they have a smoother round. They made him make the throw on 16 cold due to FPO, THAT THROW Isn't FAIR. I know it's the bandage no one wants to remove but you have to separate the tours.
"Taking the sport seriously" coming from the guy who LITERALLY admitted to playing 0 practice rounds in the off season. Embarrassing display of being a complete hypocrite from Brodie No other professional athlete has admitted to practicing 0 times in an off season then go on a podcast to cry about how its not fun anymore. Absolute disgusting level of hypocrisy by someone who has yet to prove ANYTHING in disc golf Cole has at least won tournaments. The sport will be better off when brodie has inevitably moved on from it like he has everything else hes done. What a joke.
Yeah shouldn’t drop out mid round. Yeah shouldn’t post a video. But this is where context matters a whole fuck ton and i don’t think bearing down on cole is necessarily correct. Also judging the kid based off one video and trying to guess what he was feeling isn’t correct either. Sure made a bad call as a KID. We’ve all been 18-19-20 etc. we’ve all made mistakes his happened to be public. Should he get talked to? Yes. But to say all of disc golf is gonna go down this path because one person did it is just false. Every sport has had to deal with this. 1 person isn’t gonna change the narrative of how the sport is played. Look at Nikko. People thought this sort of thing would bubble into how other people play have we seen it? I’d argue not at all. It’s a case by case. Can you say it’s a bad look sure but i don’t think dragging the kid through the mud and trying to add your own bias to what he feels is correct because other people will look at you and start to mimic that voicing onto a young player with a lot of promise. Those words should be said privately i don’t care if it’s good content. If you care about the sport then you should handle this more privately for the sake of a young player with a lot of promise who can progress the sport once you guys leave.
Sorry but the PDGA is full of indoctrinated underdeveloped children posing as adults. Same goes to the TDs of the tournament. 3/5 tournaments I’ve cashed in, I’ve had issues getting paid correctly. Needs to be a new rival tour
I am kind of with Brodie, like the mental health part of playing bad put you in a bad headspace so you quit is weak. It is just a sport and it is what you're signed up for. If you're dealing with things outside the sport putting you in a bad headspace that is understandable and should be respected. I enjoy the Pro tour and all, but I don't think DG is designed to be a highly competitive sport. This is the peak to me, manufacturers pay top guys, the tour can remain kind fun and slightly casual.
I also like what Calvin said. Basically 3 holes is still 3 holes to prove to yourself you can finish strong and bounce back before the next event. I did xc and track in high school and that sport of long distance running is basically just convincing yourself not to quit lol. My 3rd or 4th xc meet that first year wasn’t going too well and I went out too fast. I stopped to walk in the middle when I was all alone and far from the finish or any spectators to motivate me. Was probably less than 10 seconds before a few runners passed me and I became so disappointed in myself that I continued on running. Had a really fast finishing mile and ended up still improving on my personal best by one second.
So is mental health weak or it should be respected? Also Brodie did the same thing a few months ago. Didn’t go to tournaments because he wasn’t feeling it.
@@amitch2553 It is weak to quit in the middle of something you choose to do when it is just sports simply because you are losing. Brodie didn’t show up that is the difference. If Cole was in the top 10 he wouldn’t have left, looked more like poor sportsmanship than anything else.
@@dougs8196 how Cole did it was wrong. But to say that having a bad mental state is a poor excuse and then not showing up to events because your struggling mentally is hypocritical
Consider this: is mental health a legitimate “injury”? We decided that “if you break an ankle” it would be okay to DNF. So, some injuries are okay. Your brain is at least as essential as your ankle….
This is an example of victimhood culture taking root in disc golf. Saying that your mental state isn't good is not an excuse to disrespect the tournament organizers/staff/fellow players on that course.
Brodie should get on the board of the DGPT and help take the tour in the right direction. Sponsors should fine their Tour Players for not finishing tournaments.
Glad to see the pros unanimously against this. It kinda bugged me honestly seeing so many jackasses online defending the decision to rage quit. It’s a terrible look. It’s the equivalent of turning in your two week notice and then just ghosting everyone instead of finishing out your responsibilities. I guess I can’t expect any more from average joe disc golfers. Half of you guys look like you could be pirates.
Your entire statement revolves around you and your self centered view, look at your verbiage, it’s nothing but I and me so of course you won’t understand it from another persons perspective. Everyone loves to jump on some moral high horse as if it’s their say or business how an athlete, who’s in shoes they will never be in, should conduct themselves. I’ll tell you that nobody cares how you would do things or how you think things should be done because you aren’t in that spot to be the example so if you really are what you say you are about you shouldn’t feel so offended because you aren’t that way. I get so tired of this boomer mentality of what people view as “professional” and that people have to adhere to these completely subjective standards in order for something to be taken seriously, again it’s all from an incredibly self centered way of thinking that very quickly becomes an imposing of someone’s ideas on other people and then they are expected to conform to that. The player in question has no doubt been on the road for a while and those few holes he didn’t finish were likely all that stood between him and going back home, he clearly stated he was having some mental battles and it was obviously causing him distress. Why can’t anyone on an individual level look at this situation and understand that maybe the guy had alot more going on under the hood than anyone knows and it was probably in his own personal best interest to get back as soon as possible. His score didn’t matter to anything going on and if he mentally wasn’t there then he can do whatever he sees fit, he paid for entry into the tournament and it’s his decision how he conducts his round
Its a professional sport. Fines should come into play. Sponsors should hold him accountable. I get it from his standpoint. But its not acceptable for a sport that is supposed to be looked at as a professional one.
Here is the question in my mind: If the playoff had started behind the players (if possible) on hole 1, would Cole have left or not? I get the feeling if cards aren't held up for 45 minutes then players who are out of the cash wouldn't feel like they are justified in walking off the course. Brodie likes to say that people walking (DNF) make the sport look like a joke, and I would counter that with the TOUR makes itself look like a joke by putting up a "STOP" sign in front of one sub-tournament so the other can play a playoff. If the TOUR had half a braincell they would have a contingency plan for playoffs that don't stop the flow. Maybe you don't put both MPO and FPO on the same course in all rounds ... or maybe you schedule tee times to ALLOW for potential play-offs? Maybe you don't need 80% of the field playing in the final round? It sucks for those who might have made cash from below the line, but maybe there needs to be a cut in every tournament that allows for a minimum of 1 hour "dead time" on the course for if there is a need for playoffs.
He left to save his rating and average finish, the backup was just an excuse. The bottom MPO cards have to play behind FPO lead card which is filmed and has spectators and is highly competitive (slower than regular cards). There is usually a bit of a backup that the bottom MPO get to deal with. DNF is for played with injuries/emergencys who cant go on. But has been used by players trying to save a bad round rating or cowardly players playing so bad they see no point in finishing. Many times players DNF who feel bad holding everyone up throwing 20 extra shots. The latter are usually delusional amatures who signed up for the pro division, disc golf has a lot of that.
Brodie earlier this year you were complaining about how you didn’t feel like competing and how you are not feeling it. You took tournaments off because of you were not feeling it.
@@BrodieSmith a little hypocritical then getting on Cole’s case for quitting because of his head space then right? I don’t agree on how he did it but to say mentally not right is not a good excuse is hypocritical
@@TheDarkhorseSportsCards Brodie here”having a bad mental attitude is no excuse to not play. Brodie two months ago “I’m just not feeling it and really struggling mentally to enjoy disc golf.” But that’s not hypocritical?
It is worth noting that Cole checked with the TD before he walked off. Still a poor decision and the video he posted with him laughing was a very bad look regardless.
After all the shit Brodie talked 2 mos ago on his podcast he has no right to speak on being “professional”. What a hypocrite! “I was just going through the motions” “Didn’t practice in the off season” “Only doing it because I had to” “Didn’t have the fire or passion to play disc golf” “Never felt this way when I played ultimate” “This tournament was very boring” “I COULDNT CARE LESS” And SO MUCH MORE. Professionalism? How about not taking shit about the sport for 20 minutes straight. “Taking someone else’s spot” yes - that’s exactly what you’re doing so maybe discraft should can Brodie for making the sport “look bad”
everyone goes through luls and second guessing in their career. but he never bounced froma tournament because of his poor play which at that point was pretty poor. he took time off to reflect and is giving it another go. to bounce with 3 holes left already waiting the time for the womes playoff to finish and the card to resume to bounce is selfish and calculated. brodie never talked trash about the tour he just said he didnt have the fire and thoughtthe sport has passed him up, Im not even a brodie fan im only here because I like calvin. but he is absolutely correct in this assessment.
@@mylesolson4734 Disagree. This guy intentionally had a podcast about how over it he is and how much he doesn't care. If i was his sponsor, he would be getting dropped - no team needs that kind of energy on it and to go out publicly on the podcast and talk about how you've been over it for months and months and haven't practiced and are making money and just don't care - WAYYYYY worse than having ONE frustrating tournament and giving up. We all have bad days and make bad decisions, but Brodie wasn't at a "breaking point" when he went public on his own podcast and started talking shit.
I do agree this is a bad look. However, it does bring up a larger conversation around mental health that I think needs to be had. It's easy to see an external injury it's harder to tell when someone is depressed or something else is going on, which makes it easier to judge them.
Not a Cole R. fan. I don’t hate him, I just think he’s very immature. Ever since the Jomez Practice round he was on, after he won Ledgestone. He’s the definition of entitled.
Also why does no one care that Nikko didnt even show up to the last day? He was supposed to be on Coles card. I saw how everything went down, and if you were in that situation you might have a little more sympathy for coles situation. The fpo delay was kinda comical in the fact that, we were already playing terrible, now we have to wait 30 more minutes to finished. We were all like, “can we just leave, lets the bleeding stop” 😂 would i have done this? No. But i think cole deserves a hint of grace. Just my 2 cents.
Bad mental space can mean a lot of things... I think it's absurd to not consider this side of it. Ripping on Cole without knowing the details is kind of absurd. For all you know, he was trying to be funny about it so that he didn't start losing his mind or something. Like, how can you know?
Quitting is for quitters and it’s a bad look. To Calvin’s point you can not have only two players on a card so it puts extra pressure on everyone else. Bad call in my opinion but at the end of the day it was his call to make.
Cole is young, and I think he realized when he did it that it was a mistake. I can't count the number of mistakes I made at 19. Phil Mickelson (a seasoned veteran of golf by 2018) chased and hit a moving ball on the green at a tournament just 6 years ago, and took a 10. Is what Cole did a bad look for professional disc golf? Yes, of course. We are all still human, give the kid a break.
Ironic that Brodie is coming in so hot about how what Cole posted is a bad look, when that’s basically Brodie's whole thing. He even says it in this clip “I’m going to say something that people aren’t going to like (I.e. makes professional disc golf look bad)”. Yeah, Cole appears to have handled this unprofessionally, but critiquing that in an unprofessional manner is the pot calling the kettle black. It’s tiresome.
Like Antonio Brown who quit mid game for the Bucs, it's not professional behavior. Cole needs to be held to a higher standard when he's on the DGPT; the tour should fine him for his actions.
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Bro why does Calvin always looked more baked than a fresh dozen cookies 😭😭
Because he is 😂
@@phillip3m 😭😂
That's the classic apathetic cool guy face. Never phased 😎
Higher than dragons tits. 😂😅😂😅
Disc golf and weed might have some crossover.
I bet it pisses the hardcore Bros off when Calvin comes in blazed and shoots circles around them.
Looks like he's having his mug shot taken. 🤣😂🤣
Melton is solid gold in the microphone and on the DGPT
That’s Zach’s east tn coming out lol
Agreed!
What's weird and funny about this whole thing is the fact that Cole waited until FPO was done and they were ready to tee off again before deciding to leave because it was taking too long. Should've left after 10-15mins if you had a real issue with the time it was taking. Clearly something else was going on that was getting to him or he was trying to proof a point with FPO having their playoffs while MPO was in the middle of their round. Disc golf is so disorginized. FPO shouldn't be playing the same days or same courses as MPO. They need to be more separated.
Here we go. Get the women on their own dedicated track, and so many problems get fixed.
No overlap delays.
No FPO field limits.
No issues setting the course for current FPO ratings (i.e., no elevated baskets on hills)
@@goodnerarts1206 They should be on tour separately from the MPO. Imagine the LPGA trying to ride the coattails and profitability of the PGA in golf. It doesn't make any sense.
It would be cool if they were one stop in front of the mpo
They should also all be women
There's still not a lot of money in disc golf. They don't have the money or resources to have FPO playing on different days or courses for the most part.
Brodie definitely hit a nerve that I think doesn’t get talked about enough: the am vs pro side of the sport. People keep trying to conflate both sides as one singular image of the sport and that frankly will never happen. If we really want the sport on the professional side to grow and be taken seriously enough to gain sponsors to make the tour profitable for the players then they’re gonna have to do things that the ams will hate and separate themselves that way. And the ams can keep to themselves and continue creating their own subcultures separate from the tour because any sport is meant to be played with enjoyment. Our sport is definitely at a pivotal time in its development no question
Exactly. A lot of people play church baseball or softball leagues for fun, or rec basketball games... those aren't held to the level of professionalism that the MLB or NBA are. In most professional sports, if you just decide not to participate, you get fined, because you're being paid to play. You are sponsored because your sponsors are buying exposure. YOU are the product being advertised. People see you throw discs, they want those discs. They see your bag, they want it. You aren't there, you aren't giving the brand the exposure they are paying you for.
And while we're on the subject of professionalism... GET RID OF SELF OFFICIATING! It's fine for am stuff, but there should at LEAST be professional officials at the pro tour level. Players being officials against their competition is nonsense when there are tens of thousands of dollars on the line at times.
I don’t know where I stand on this question myself. That said, one of the things that draws me to the pro side is the inherent lack of isolation between the pro and am side of the sport.
The pro level is too close to the am level. If we want a pro tour - changes need to be made to the pro-level game: cut lines, longer holes, smaller baskets, more trees, sand traps,...I don't know exactly what. But the pro level should not be so accessible to so many players.
@@ETXBI fully agree with you. The separation between a low level player at a pro tour event and your average pretty good local disc golfer isn’t really that far apart.
I think the field should be much smaller to be honest. The reality is that many “professional” disc golfers aren’t really making a good living anyway. Cut the field so that those who do play in these pro tour events have a shot at really making at least an okay living. It also could improve the fan experience because your resources for coverage aren’t spread as thin and maybe there’s even a path to having officials on every card so players can focus on their play and not officiating rules.
Would this exclude a lot of current “professionals”? Yeah probably, but in every major sport (not that disc golf is in the same category), you learn pretty early on that the dream is reserved for a small group of elite players. Right now you have a ton of people who think they deserve to be playing in front of galleries when the reality is that they should just be playing for fun.
@@barnee27but if you shrink it it just becomes a private members club for frisbee, it would be harder to respect the players living their gilded frisbee joke job. The concept of a professional disc golfer is already somewhat tenuous, you need wide fields to keep it accessible and let new talent break in. It's already quite hard to progress as tournaments fill up so quickly
Calvin: “It sucks when you know you aren’t going to cash”
Brodie: “I know, I’ve done it every tournament this year” 🤣🤣 that got me
Just need to have cuts every tourney and this won't happen
Agreed. Do cuts leave only those who are going to cash?
100% - cuts need to be standard on the final round of every pro event, imo. Having a hundred MPOs still playing on the last day is just dumb, and a ton of extra unnecessary work for no reason.
Like in the PGA, after round 2 if you’re out of the cash line, you should be cut from the field. The majority of tourneys wouldn’t be impacted, but this should be the norm for 3 round+ tourneys.
Yeah there definitely needs to be cuts after 2 rounds. No matter if it’s a 3 or 4 round event. I would possibly even cut twice in a 4 round event
Yep, I totally agree. I really think all tournaments should be 4 days with a cut after day 2. And majors can be 5 days with a cut after day 3.
MPO and FPO need their own tour. Being stopped for 45 min is unacceptable.
Cole pulled a Antonio Brown💀💀
It's also a bit bizarre because many amateurs would do almost anything to be in Cole's shoes and he seems to value it so little in that clip.
Should have had Cole on the podcast to talk about it directly. That would have been the best move IMO.
is ZM hitting a bong when he turns off his cam LMAO gotta love it!
he can use that as an excuse for finishing 90th every week
I like him but that was a bad move
It’s a sign of immaturity. He’ll get it.
I don’t care that he dropped out but taking a video of it was just a bad idea. If you don’t post the video this doesn’t get talked about at all.
Posting a video about it AND laughing in the video like he didn't care = super unprofessional. He just showed that he's still an immature kid, not a pro.
Matt Bell doesn't make a video each time he DNFs because he gets an 8.
It was not a professional move. I stand with Zach, not a good look. But i like Cole. Yo Cole, don’t hit Send. 🤦🏻♂️
I assume he is paid by sponsors? It's up to those sponsors to say "Nah, you're not getting paid this week."
interesting i thought DGA would just pay for his tournament entries and his supplies like discs and what not. and also travel. i don't think they pay him weekly but not sure. but that move will potentially affect deals in the future.
100 agree guys. There are thousands of guys grinding out there trying to break 1000, trying to get a tour card, trying to get into tournaments like this, and seeing a pro walk off a course and DNF just because they weren't playing well is a slap in the face to the guys who want to be there. Injury? fine Personal/Family emergency? fine, but just this sucks and deuces? That burns me up
Brodie I agree up to a certain extent. Everyone takes things different and it’s right it’s all in how you react and come back from it but me and you can get into a car accident the same car accident and get hit the exact same I can come out with a broken leg and you come out with just a cut but you’re just fine. Cause everything is different and react differently. Like if my mom dies I could be lost devastated and you could be sad but get over it quicker. Everyone’s different man gotta remember that
It's his life. I have zero issue with anyone doing what's best for them. These guys all make fair points though.
what was best for him? I don't understand whyyyyyy?
When on a Pro tour, if not injured or an emergency, you finish the round. Making a video like this, with giggling/laughing in it, being SPONSORED, any age or gender, it's a bad look! Brodie is spot on with his take.
No problem with it, love the salute 🫡
I want a podcast with zach and calvin on a regular basis. Calvin has the top level perspective and melton is great all around
So, pace of play is a problem in the AM's as well. In AM tournaments we usually play 2 rounds in 1 day. In my area, there is a very heavy "person" that is playing all of the tournaments in the state, it cannot walk fast or bend over to pick up a disc. So it holds up the entire tournament for 4.25 hour rounds. TD's won't say a thing to this person. This was the latest tournament... We teed off at 9:10am, finish at 1:38pm and tee off 2nd round @ 2:15... That's not much time in between to take care of business. I refuse to play any tournaments this slowpoke has signed up for.
Grow a pair and tell him he's holding up the lives of others. If his card mates won't do anything, goto the TM. If the Tam won't do anything about it, goto the PDGA.
Ya this is weird. It sounds like he didn't want to face his actual play level. Somehow not finishing means he didn't have to have an assigned number, compared to a DNF. Face your results head on and accept the outcome, don't run from it.
A lot of pros in every sport have these cringe type moments and the only difference here is that DG isn't as established as all the other big money sports out there. I dont think what Cole did will tarnish anything.
The more the media, like this, put it in the spotlight, the more it makes things look bad. Throwing it out of proportion is whats going to hurt the sport, seriously.
Now its up to Cole to make amends or HE will lose any credibility, dignity, and respect from fans.
Brodie has been practicing his Russillo impersonation: "What are we doing here?!"
Happy to see that the TD gave him an 888 instead of 999
I can understand being frustrated if an FPO playoff halts your round. But that's not how you handle it from a professionalism standpoint. You finish your round and you use your post-tourney platform to discuss it. Making a jokey content video of you walking off is a performative temper-tantrum.
He was around 85th place, Blaming FPO for going to playoff while leaving to save his rating/average finish is a cowardly move. All DGPT MPO players know that the bottom cards play behind a fimed/spectated FPO lead card.
Players should be able to bail whenever during a round for whatever reason. It reflects on the character player. He showed his immaturity, it is that simple. I think it is up to his sponsors to pressure (maybe fine him) and guide him on moves like this. I played back when we cut to final 9 holes for the leaders. I totally agree with dirtycal3461. Tournaments should have cuts.
To expand on Zack's first point. We should emphasize and normalize not playing while injured in our sport. Elbow and shoulder injuries are ones that you can think aren't bad enough to work through that can quickly worsen over the course of a round.
It’s tough for solo sport to be young and if you don’t have right support / role model. But these things happen in team sports too. Hope someone will talk to him and I Hope he’ll understand the mistake and come back stronger. Disc golf is great sport and it need to have high standards.
Very great comments from Brodie about bifurcation. I agree, as a very casual old guy I don't want it to get too serious but pros need to definitely get a more unified and professional union. In regards to Cole, it was disappointing to see as I feel he was going to be very big. In pro ball golf, players bail all the time when they play bad to catch a flight etc,. but always says it is a slight injury or upset stomach. He should have just did that of course, and yes he is young and will learn like we all do. I am still a fan if he gets online and apologizes. Cmon, Cole!
Wait we're not gonna address the fact that his card had been waiting 45 MINUTES?! Now there's something that doesn't happen in real professional sports.
It’s definitely something that happens in professional sports. Delays happen and grown-ups deal with it.
@@imopen2 umm weather delays maybe? Being stopped for 45 min is unacceptable.
@@iambfoye weather, accidents, slow play, overtime, power outage, streaker, a fight…there are many reasons that sporting events can be delayed. Delays do happen in professional sports and nothing about this particular delay means that disc golf is not a “real”professional sport
@iambfoye to say it's unacceptable is to say it didn't have to happen. It's facts, delays are going ti happen. Also the delay being a problem was acknowledged as a separate issue. Not the issue of Ol boys behavior as a professional.
Cole doesn't elaborate about the headspace he's in, but he should also keep in mind that DNFing a tournament could affect his sponsorships. As Calvin and Zack mentioned, "it's not a good look, and it opens a door" they don't want open. The worst scenario for Cole would be if his sponsors decide "that's not a good look," and his sponsorships go away, especially if DNFing breaches any of his contracts.
Cole's young, and this can maybe be chalked up to a young player making an immature decision, especially his video laughing and mocking the situation - kinda shows his age and immaturity. And that's fine, it can happen, but Cole also needs to realize that, as one of the top players in pro disc golf, he's representing the league as well as himself and his sponsors. Doing this embarrasses the tournament and the other players. And as a professional player, the last thing Cole needs or wants is for his league, his fellow athletes, and the fans to no longer take him seriously. Whoever he has in his confidence needs to sit him down and have a real conversation about this. He doesn't want to be going to tournaments, playing in isolation, competing on an island, having lost the camaraderie and trust of everyone around him.
Reminds me of a certain gymnast.
Imagine if a basketball or football team just walked off with 15 minutes left in the game because they were down. They'd be thrown out of the league. There's more to a "sport" than just the scoreboard. Fans paid to see you play. Sponsors paid for players to play.
Disc Golf desperately needs Impartial people to make calls on cards using instant replay if they need to. I saw an FPO lady get screwed by her card mates on an OB call because she is new I guess. It’s crazy that someone you are tied with can potentially be shady and have you lose a stroke on a bogus foot fault or something.
Also people do things that cause conversations and are completely wrong and then just apologize likes it’s nothing. Either stand up for what your believe in or take responsibility for your actions or stay out of the public’s eye. Because not everyone’s going to always like what you do.
Is this the equivalent of Antonio Brown taking his shirt off and leaving mid game? 😂
Lol
Yeah except disc golf is not a team sport lol
There needs to be a fine for DNFs without injury. Taking the spot of someone who would have enjoyed playing the whole tournament.
His sponsors need to be on top of their players about things like that.
I like Cole’s decision to retire, it’s no more disrespectful than the DGPT interrupting the flow of his round due to terrible planning and execution. Him exposing the fact that the way the dgpt runs pro events is a joke is commendable. Would the pga tour allow this? What would a pga player do if he was backed for 45 min in his round because of a delay caused by an lpga event he is not even in? Pga tour players would loose their minds collectively. The answer would be to only have one tournament on one course at a time not to try to run 2 tournaments simultaneously. They know the risk of cramming in too many players and 2 events and they are aware of the consequences, but don’t care that those consequences effect the players in a negative way. This is the dgpt fault 100% .
Amen.
That’s pretty damn valid
@@mondaysinthecosmosbut also he should’ve just dnf before the playoff even because he didn’t wanna wait after is odd because like Calvin said it barely saved him time
Antonio Brown walked off the field mid game
What brodie said around 11min mark is 100!! I agree.
I was winning a tournament last weekend with 4 holes left. and triple bogeyed... I wanted to walk off so bad but i still finished. even though my mental was such in a dark space.
It’s a way to get a point across. The disc golf tour still exists has a lot of wrinkles to iron out
I like the point that Brody makes, there is room for two interpretations of the sport, casual-fun-funky, or professional. When you play professionally, you play serious and when you play serious, you do not drop out. Sponsor should step in and have serious conversations with Cole. You’re obligated to play because you have the talent and the sponsorship. Anyone that supports a dropout is a dropout. If you want to consider logistics, every person knows you can reschedule a flight. You can reschedule an Uber. Logistics are a poor excuse. And if logistics are the main reason, then his sponsor should take care of the logistics. There is a different approach when you sign up for a tournament compared to when you’re playing with the boys. More than likely Cole is just young. He would benefit from older mentors. Toughness is earned. Learn. Only come from experience. Dropping out is a hell of an experience to build on.
It was a huge deal when Antonio Brown did it in the NFL. And it was a terrible look and no one wanted anything to do with him after.
terrible ook from one of my favorite players to watch, i hope he recovers well from this and bounces back, not gonna write him off over something like this
I guess everyone just forgot how much sh$t Brodie was saying a couple months ago how he’s over it, it’s not fun anymore, he doesn’t care and etc… no one lashing out about professionalism for those comments? No one talking about sponsors reprimanding him for giving the sport a “bad look”?
People absolutely shit all over him for that for like a month. That was definitely a bad look, and he got pummeled for it.
Doesn't make what he's saying here wrong though.
Mr. Unprofessional complaining about someone not being professional. Oh the irony. Go play some c-tiers if you really like disc golf cromagnon man. Or better yet, if you really care about the sport volunteer to be a spotter.
DNF.
-Matt Bell
DNFing is lame as hell if it's not for a legitimate life circumstance preventing you from playing.
It's a bad look for sure. I think Cole is an awesome player, but that was a bad decision to make a social media post. He's a pro and needs to be more aware of the optics of what he does. And I totally agree it's pretty disrespectful. Ricky played and won a tournament after his sister passed away.
Rules said can’t walk into pond and get disc in a tourney. I didn’t read them. Walked into the water and a card mate pointed it out so I disqualified myself. It said disqualification in the rules but the card and spotter said they wouldn’t say anything and I still disqualified myself
Oregon again
Brody is 💯 on this …IMO
Zach Melton. Love your commentary. A bit of audio issues on your end I think.
At least they gave Cole and Nikko 888’s instead of 999’s.
This reminds me of Antonio Brown taking his jersey off, walking off the field in the middle of the game,and making a mockery of the sport. Especially the fans coming to see you etc.
Great takes
That sucks. I'd love to have an opportunity to play the DDO. People want an opportunity to play those tournaments. Thanks buddy!
People that do this lack integrity for a professional sport.
Nothing but childish
There was a pro in a different sport who recently quit playing in the middle of a game and he has not played professionally since (Antonio Brown playing for the TB Bucs)
We actually saw this happening during the nba bubble....
Society in general is so soft these days. If we were to get invaded by another country we are screwed
He's making a point that the DGPT is a joke, how is it fair he has to wait 45min during his round and the leaders get preferable tee times spaced out so they have a smoother round. They made him make the throw on 16 cold due to FPO, THAT THROW Isn't FAIR. I know it's the bandage no one wants to remove but you have to separate the tours.
Completely agree with you, Brodie. We're getting soft. This is a generational thing, not exclusive to the sport of disc golf.
"Taking the sport seriously" coming from the guy who LITERALLY admitted to playing 0 practice rounds in the off season. Embarrassing display of being a complete hypocrite from Brodie
No other professional athlete has admitted to practicing 0 times in an off season then go on a podcast to cry about how its not fun anymore. Absolute disgusting level of hypocrisy by someone who has yet to prove ANYTHING in disc golf
Cole has at least won tournaments. The sport will be better off when brodie has inevitably moved on from it like he has everything else hes done. What a joke.
This. Thank you.
Yeah shouldn’t drop out mid round. Yeah shouldn’t post a video. But this is where context matters a whole fuck ton and i don’t think bearing down on cole is necessarily correct. Also judging the kid based off one video and trying to guess what he was feeling isn’t correct either. Sure made a bad call as a KID. We’ve all been 18-19-20 etc. we’ve all made mistakes his happened to be public. Should he get talked to? Yes. But to say all of disc golf is gonna go down this path because one person did it is just false. Every sport has had to deal with this. 1 person isn’t gonna change the narrative of how the sport is played. Look at Nikko. People thought this sort of thing would bubble into how other people play have we seen it? I’d argue not at all. It’s a case by case. Can you say it’s a bad look sure but i don’t think dragging the kid through the mud and trying to add your own bias to what he feels is correct because other people will look at you and start to mimic that voicing onto a young player with a lot of promise. Those words should be said privately i don’t care if it’s good content. If you care about the sport then you should handle this more privately for the sake of a young player with a lot of promise who can progress the sport once you guys leave.
Sorry but the PDGA is full of indoctrinated underdeveloped children posing as adults. Same goes to the TDs of the tournament. 3/5 tournaments I’ve cashed in, I’ve had issues getting paid correctly. Needs to be a new rival tour
I am kind of with Brodie, like the mental health part of playing bad put you in a bad headspace so you quit is weak. It is just a sport and it is what you're signed up for. If you're dealing with things outside the sport putting you in a bad headspace that is understandable and should be respected.
I enjoy the Pro tour and all, but I don't think DG is designed to be a highly competitive sport. This is the peak to me, manufacturers pay top guys, the tour can remain kind fun and slightly casual.
I also like what Calvin said. Basically 3 holes is still 3 holes to prove to yourself you can finish strong and bounce back before the next event.
I did xc and track in high school and that sport of long distance running is basically just convincing yourself not to quit lol. My 3rd or 4th xc meet that first year wasn’t going too well and I went out too fast. I stopped to walk in the middle when I was all alone and far from the finish or any spectators to motivate me. Was probably less than 10 seconds before a few runners passed me and I became so disappointed in myself that I continued on running. Had a really fast finishing mile and ended up still improving on my personal best by one second.
So is mental health weak or it should be respected? Also Brodie did the same thing a few months ago. Didn’t go to tournaments because he wasn’t feeling it.
@@amitch2553 It is weak to quit in the middle of something you choose to do when it is just sports simply because you are losing. Brodie didn’t show up that is the difference. If Cole was in the top 10 he wouldn’t have left, looked more like poor sportsmanship than anything else.
@@dougs8196 how Cole did it was wrong. But to say that having a bad mental state is a poor excuse and then not showing up to events because your struggling mentally is hypocritical
@@amitch2553 not at all. they are different situations. One disrespects the field and the other doesn’t.
You can't have bread without the circus.
Consider this: is mental health a legitimate “injury”? We decided that “if you break an ankle” it would be okay to DNF. So, some injuries are okay. Your brain is at least as essential as your ankle….
Not the same, imo.
This is an example of victimhood culture taking root in disc golf. Saying that your mental state isn't good is not an excuse to disrespect the tournament organizers/staff/fellow players on that course.
Brodie should get on the board of the DGPT and help take the tour in the right direction. Sponsors should fine their Tour Players for not finishing tournaments.
Realistically most of these road warriors have no money. The sport isn't that large yet.
Then I guess they can't afford to not finish
He actually called his sponsors and asked before he did this
Two garbage sentences.
@Barry_MaCockener that's hilarious. I know Brodie, and he knows me. He asks me for my autograph.
Need cut and dry rules on a non-injury volunteer DNF. First offense should equal a suspension for the next pro tour event.
Dude just pulled an Antonio Brown...
Glad to see the pros unanimously against this. It kinda bugged me honestly seeing so many jackasses online defending the decision to rage quit. It’s a terrible look. It’s the equivalent of turning in your two week notice and then just ghosting everyone instead of finishing out your responsibilities. I guess I can’t expect any more from average joe disc golfers. Half of you guys look like you could be pirates.
Your entire statement revolves around you and your self centered view, look at your verbiage, it’s nothing but I and me so of course you won’t understand it from another persons perspective. Everyone loves to jump on some moral high horse as if it’s their say or business how an athlete, who’s in shoes they will never be in, should conduct themselves. I’ll tell you that nobody cares how you would do things or how you think things should be done because you aren’t in that spot to be the example so if you really are what you say you are about you shouldn’t feel so offended because you aren’t that way.
I get so tired of this boomer mentality of what people view as “professional” and that people have to adhere to these completely subjective standards in order for something to be taken seriously, again it’s all from an incredibly self centered way of thinking that very quickly becomes an imposing of someone’s ideas on other people and then they are expected to conform to that. The player in question has no doubt been on the road for a while and those few holes he didn’t finish were likely all that stood between him and going back home, he clearly stated he was having some mental battles and it was obviously causing him distress. Why can’t anyone on an individual level look at this situation and understand that maybe the guy had alot more going on under the hood than anyone knows and it was probably in his own personal best interest to get back as soon as possible. His score didn’t matter to anything going on and if he mentally wasn’t there then he can do whatever he sees fit, he paid for entry into the tournament and it’s his decision how he conducts his round
lmao my “goals are set higher” as he is getting smoked on this tournament
dude made some chicks laugh, he played bad, hes young, who cares
Did Calvin play competitive sports before disc golf?
Just another reason we need cuts
Its a professional sport. Fines should come into play. Sponsors should hold him accountable. I get it from his standpoint. But its not acceptable for a sport that is supposed to be looked at as a professional one.
Here is the question in my mind: If the playoff had started behind the players (if possible) on hole 1, would Cole have left or not? I get the feeling if cards aren't held up for 45 minutes then players who are out of the cash wouldn't feel like they are justified in walking off the course. Brodie likes to say that people walking (DNF) make the sport look like a joke, and I would counter that with the TOUR makes itself look like a joke by putting up a "STOP" sign in front of one sub-tournament so the other can play a playoff. If the TOUR had half a braincell they would have a contingency plan for playoffs that don't stop the flow. Maybe you don't put both MPO and FPO on the same course in all rounds ... or maybe you schedule tee times to ALLOW for potential play-offs? Maybe you don't need 80% of the field playing in the final round? It sucks for those who might have made cash from below the line, but maybe there needs to be a cut in every tournament that allows for a minimum of 1 hour "dead time" on the course for if there is a need for playoffs.
He left to save his rating and average finish, the backup was just an excuse. The bottom MPO cards have to play behind FPO lead card which is filmed and has spectators and is highly competitive (slower than regular cards). There is usually a bit of a backup that the bottom MPO get to deal with. DNF is for played with injuries/emergencys who cant go on. But has been used by players trying to save a bad round rating or cowardly players playing so bad they see no point in finishing. Many times players DNF who feel bad holding everyone up throwing 20 extra shots. The latter are usually delusional amatures who signed up for the pro division, disc golf has a lot of that.
Brodie earlier this year you were complaining about how you didn’t feel like competing and how you are not feeling it. You took tournaments off because of you were not feeling it.
Yup I did
@@BrodieSmith a little hypocritical then getting on Cole’s case for quitting because of his head space then right? I don’t agree on how he did it but to say mentally not right is not a good excuse is hypocritical
@@amitch2553 these 2 things are not the same at all
@@TheDarkhorseSportsCards Brodie here”having a bad mental attitude is no excuse to not play. Brodie two months ago “I’m just not feeling it and really struggling mentally to enjoy disc golf.” But that’s not hypocritical?
@@amitch2553it is hypocritical. You’re gonna need to put it more literally if you want Brodie to concede though.
It is worth noting that Cole checked with the TD before he walked off. Still a poor decision and the video he posted with him laughing was a very bad look regardless.
And also there should be a separate women's tour. This shit where the guys are playing until dark is redic
9:55 Brodie do you not remember the nhl taking the knee? They can do what they want but it has consequences. This is a one time thing
After all the shit Brodie talked 2 mos ago on his podcast he has no right to speak on being “professional”. What a hypocrite!
“I was just going through the motions”
“Didn’t practice in the off season”
“Only doing it because I had to”
“Didn’t have the fire or passion to play disc golf”
“Never felt this way when I played ultimate”
“This tournament was very boring”
“I COULDNT CARE LESS”
And SO MUCH MORE.
Professionalism? How about not taking shit about the sport for 20 minutes straight. “Taking someone else’s spot” yes - that’s exactly what you’re doing so maybe discraft should can Brodie for making the sport “look bad”
everyone goes through luls and second guessing in their career. but he never bounced froma tournament because of his poor play which at that point was pretty poor. he took time off to reflect and is giving it another go. to bounce with 3 holes left already waiting the time for the womes playoff to finish and the card to resume to bounce is selfish and calculated. brodie never talked trash about the tour he just said he didnt have the fire and thoughtthe sport has passed him up, Im not even a brodie fan im only here because I like calvin. but he is absolutely correct in this assessment.
@@mylesolson4734 Disagree. This guy intentionally had a podcast about how over it he is and how much he doesn't care. If i was his sponsor, he would be getting dropped - no team needs that kind of energy on it and to go out publicly on the podcast and talk about how you've been over it for months and months and haven't practiced and are making money and just don't care - WAYYYYY worse than having ONE frustrating tournament and giving up. We all have bad days and make bad decisions, but Brodie wasn't at a "breaking point" when he went public on his own podcast and started talking shit.
I do agree this is a bad look. However, it does bring up a larger conversation around mental health that I think needs to be had. It's easy to see an external injury it's harder to tell when someone is depressed or something else is going on, which makes it easier to judge them.
If a marathon runner just gave up with 3kms to go be much different? So they could catch an early bus home?
What lol
Not a Cole R. fan. I don’t hate him, I just think he’s very immature. Ever since the Jomez Practice round he was on, after he won Ledgestone. He’s the definition of entitled.
Also why does no one care that Nikko didnt even show up to the last day? He was supposed to be on Coles card. I saw how everything went down, and if you were in that situation you might have a little more sympathy for coles situation. The fpo delay was kinda comical in the fact that, we were already playing terrible, now we have to wait 30 more minutes to finished. We were all like, “can we just leave, lets the bleeding stop” 😂 would i have done this? No. But i think cole deserves a hint of grace. Just my 2 cents.
Some of the most popular and famous athletes are the controversial ones.
Bad mental space can mean a lot of things... I think it's absurd to not consider this side of it. Ripping on Cole without knowing the details is kind of absurd. For all you know, he was trying to be funny about it so that he didn't start losing his mind or something. Like, how can you know?
Quitting is for quitters and it’s a bad look. To Calvin’s point you can not have only two players on a card so it puts extra pressure on everyone else. Bad call in my opinion but at the end of the day it was his call to make.
100% right on Brodie!!!!
Cole is young, and I think he realized when he did it that it was a mistake. I can't count the number of mistakes I made at 19.
Phil Mickelson (a seasoned veteran of golf by 2018) chased and hit a moving ball on the green at a tournament just 6 years ago, and took a 10. Is what Cole did a bad look for professional disc golf? Yes, of course. We are all still human, give the kid a break.
Ironic that Brodie is coming in so hot about how what Cole posted is a bad look, when that’s basically Brodie's whole thing. He even says it in this clip “I’m going to say something that people aren’t going to like (I.e. makes professional disc golf look bad)”. Yeah, Cole appears to have handled this unprofessionally, but critiquing that in an unprofessional manner is the pot calling the kettle black. It’s tiresome.
Like Antonio Brown who quit mid game for the Bucs, it's not professional behavior. Cole needs to be held to a higher standard when he's on the DGPT; the tour should fine him for his actions.
Brodie is out of control.
brodie is an idiot lol
How?
He should be fined with suspension.