The Haas effect is a psycho-acoustic phenomena that lets your brain perceive the sound from a certain direction. This will also take in the fact that your natural surroundings have reflections from different angles. It's not a 'DAW effect' like reverb or delay etc. When talking about the recreating the phenomena called haas effect in a mixing situation you're effectively trying to 'pan' your sound with a delay (delaypanning) to the left or to the right. Stereo's whole point is that it's not the same als the other side. Not everything needs to be mono compatible. In nature when using your ears it's not always mono compatible either only your brain will correct the flaws that are created by the natural stereo. First of all it would be stupid to even use delaypanning (if you're trying to pan your sound) on a percussive sound like you've demonstrated unless you're going for an effect of some sort because you 'are' just delaying a sound. No schooled technician in the right mind would ever use this effect like you've demonstrated this. Second you're demonstrating one of the most renowned stereo imagers on the market who uses (only) the haas effect, Ozone's imager. What this algorithm is doing is frequency based delaypanning, not just blindly delaying left from right or vice versa. Grab a stereodelay and set the frequency from which you want it to be panned to the left or the right would essentialy be the same. Ofcourse Ozone's imager is more advanced so it will sound superior. We as humans can't distinguish direction from frequencies under 300Hz. (Ozone knows this and therefore will not spread this area, that's why it's good mono compatible). The only thing they use different is that there algorithm uses parellel spreading so you always hear the original source and therefore will not cancel out. (Also flipping sides so the original will not cancel out a spread out version...oke details details). Basically my point is this, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't try and learn people bad theory and techniques. I'm not hating on you as a person, i'm just correcting your lack of knowledge from a schooled engineers point of view who wants to help spread good information. Please feel free to e-mail me with questions or respond if you want to know more stuff!
Yeah lmao, what a bad take on the subject. You'd think you would bother to at least pull up wikipedia first before completely mangling a subject, y'know, for the sake of learning what you're even narrating about. And then they still opted for "it's a stupid effect" like what is next, "binaural perception is for girls"? Why?
Yes, this guy is a complete jackass. I have written a couple of HAAS effect plugins, they provide excellent stereo imaging. It's especially fun to vary the pan control and watch the VU meters NOT change.
The Haas effect is a psychoacoustic effect. It's not smart, it's not stupid, it just is. Like gravity. Gravity isn't stupid, it just is. However the Haas effect can be exploited while mixing.
Dude the Haas effect is great, especially for tiny microdelays, here i'm talking less then 2 milliseconds. At such tiny delaytimes the Haas effect becomes an alternative to panning which sounds much more natural than traditional volume panning. If you want an instrument to be panned to the right, panning it to the right by volume would eventually turn off any sound on the left, but that's not how things work in the real natural world if you have like a guitar player playing the guitar on your right side. You will still hear the guitar on your left ear in the natural world, in fact you may even hear it almost as loud on your left ear. The perception of the guitar being to the right of you is all in the difference in time that it takes the sound to reach your right ear, as well as the reflections off the walls of the room. The Haas effect is great at emulating real world panning and creating a much more natural sounding pan effect, you can even combine it with very sight volume panning to make the effect sound even more natural. For example try this, delay left or right side by between 0.5 and 2 milliseconds and also drop the volume of the delayed side by 1.5 to 6 dB, this is a very natural sounding pan effect. It may not be a natural sounding effect that you're going for, sometimes an unnatural effect may be just what the doctor ordered, but if it is a natural effect you're going for then the Haas effect is excellent! The phasing issues you mention are just not a real issue. You have phasing all around you in the natural world. If you have a mono sound playing in stereo speakers, then this sound WILL phase by destructive or constructive interference depending on where you are standing relative to your speakers. Next thing you'll be telling us that stereo speakers are stupid for this exact reason 😂 watch?v=b87QZtYKmqo
😂 I’d add that in the live sound environment, it’s often very useful to exploit the haas effect with delays to reduce comb filtering “holes” or dead spots that form around the room. A mono kick will sound great in the sweet spot but might be -15 at 60hz a few paces to left. A stereo delay with one side ever so slightly off can fill that hole a bit.
The Haas effect has it's place. It's certainly not stupid. If you leave stereo widening out the discussion, you can actually use the Haas effect to raise the perceived loudness of a lead vocal without raising the lead vocal fader. Also the example you used as a better alternative literally is the haas effect. You should take this info on board, use some of the comments here as a learning exercise, and do a bit more research to gain a bit more understanding on a technique that has so much to offer
Mda stereo, it's free and has an impressive comb filtering algorithm. It can't get as wide as a fully separated stereo but it does not affect the mono signal at all
The haas effect is SO effective if you know how to use it. And about your point about listening in mono far away from the speakers would apply to any form of stereo effect. What I want to say with this, is: I 100% disagree with you. Love lots of your other content though 😊
Whenever you move audio around on the timeline (essentially what the Haas effect is) you have to account for phase. That’s why it’s not a set number. So to create it effectively, you split the stereo sound into 2 mono audio tracks, then move it by X number of wavelengths, until desired wideness. Thus creating no phasing issues and you never hear it as a delay unless you go too far, at which point it is no longer the Haas effect.
"Stereoize" isn't a simple Haas effect. it's a different algorithm. sure, it's not perfect, and can sound a bit like Haas if not set correctly, but it's better (and much more mono compatible). run some tests with vectorscope to prove it..
You might as well argue: "Don't use any effects that try to simulate rooms (ex: delays and reverbs) because they may sound different depending where you are." It was simply an odd take on the subject.
Psychoacoustically, we do not perceive a delay of less than 40 ms as an echo, so a properly applied Haas effect will never be perceived as a delay no matter how far from the sound source, but it will still stand out because it grabs our attention the same way that hearing sound from one direction piques our interest. It’s a psychological effect as much as anything else. Phase issues can arise (but not necessarily), but all you need to do is create the effect by hard panning two copies of the same sound with nothing down the middle, delay one by more than 5 but less than 40 ms, and reverse the phase of one of the sides. Phase problem solved, widening effect achieved. Your method can work, too - but it also adds more, different activity in the exact same frequency range which the ear can perceive as ruckus. Sometimes that’s a good thing, but sometimes that’s a bad thing, and one may need to pull down the EQ of other sounds in the same spectrum to accommodate it, which can have its own cost - so if phasing is your problem, solve that problem by hitting one button, and avoid adding unnecessary clutter in a frequency band. The whole point of using the Haas effect is to avoid having to layer sounds to achieve width. But if layers works in a particular context, great. Both methods achieve the stated goal and choosing which to use, much like everything in life...depend on the circumstance.
yeah i dont mind if it's a producer who is ranting about his/her opinion, but when the producer telling it's audience WRONG information then that gets under my skin
One of the most divisive concepts in audio. Imo it's all down to creative decisions vs technical ones. HAAS is an effect, it won't always translate well, but if you like the effect, and you couldn't care less that's it's "incompatible" then by all means. Maybe you're ok with the idea that it's potentially compromised when played in a compromised environment. Be aware of these things, but it's still up to you. Plus, the offset depends on your head as well. Your psychoacoustics are relative to your head, it's size etc.
Haas effect:Used to achieve stereo width by using the same instrument twice one panned left and other right and delaying one of it. MAESWTKT (Multiplier Approach Effect Stereo Widening Trick Knowledge Technique) :Used to achieve stereo width by using the same instrument twice one panned left and other right and one of it slightly different than the other.
I love the haas effect, and yes it’s not mono compatible, but that’s why I always use a mid side EQ after. But I did like the concept that even in stereo, from a distance, you are effectively listening in mono. Never heard that before, but I’ll use this trick to my advantage while mixing from now on. Why convert my track when I can back up, genius.
Actually I've heard about that and I tried to deal with that... One simple trick that worked for me is to duplicate for example the same lead, bass, whatever, and put a grain delay in one of them... That gives a wider feeling to the sound UHBIK-G, it's a good option!
That perc was not a good example, and the only down side is when a signal is in mono? In my opinion the Haas effect sounds better than many "wideners" because it doesn't color the signal.
Well, duplicating sound waves with a delay between them might not be an issue with headphones. Simply because the speakers are not messing up the sound.
I cringe when i think back to the times i used to Haas my guitar tracks instead of double tracking. My God they sounded like hot garbage. It certainly is a golden rule of audio to never layer the exact same recording for any reason.
isnt two takes of exactly the same guitar part the same as duplicating a single track and causing a slight delay? When you re record a track isnt what causes the stereo sound the fact its delayed?
Hey There I believe the thing that causes a stereo effect when you re-record a track is that your second take is always going to be slightly different in tone, tuning, and amplitude than the first. You will probably get a bit of width from delay as well, but since it isn’t the exact same recording you won’t get the phase cancellation when summer to mono. That’s my understanding of it at least
Let's say you write some phat dubstep bass riffs and split the frequency into M/S(creating two tracks). I've found the Haas effect to actually be pretty useful on the Side channel. Not really for stereo imaging in the classical sense but to give your sides more presence in the mix if they were lacking. It's hard to explain but I'm sure you've heard it in a lot of popular dubstep tunes. The Haas effect when used like this gives a very distinctive sound. Kind of like throwing a "Yo Man" on your side channel. EDIT : I should point out that I usually do have to fix phasing issues if I do this but to a lesser extent being that it's only for the side information.
You're hilarious:) even in mono:)) The vibe is already enough to subscribe, but of course thanks for the sharing your valuable thoughts, experience and insights. First time on your channel and looking forward to your other videos. Best wishes!
Aren’t you also suppose to pan the signals hard left and right? The delay pretty much creates a home made chorus while the panning creates the stereo image. Isn’t the point of this effect to simulate a tape playback chorus type of effect?
I don't believe you quite understand the purpose of the effect. And actually what the effect is. Wikipedia sometimes gets it wrong... It's actually the effect of using the left right delay and making the delayed signal louder. You still hear the sound as if it comes from the less loud side. That's the haas effect. Not the delay itself. The haas effect is used a lot for live sound and cinemas to give the people in the back a good experience. The sound from the podium or screen have a natural delay because it's farther away than the surround speakers. They're delayed a bit so you still think the sound is coming from the screen instead of from the surround speakers. It's implemented in pretty much all big PA systems and cinemas. I'm afraid I had to dislike for poor research and lack of understanding before ranting this quite beautiful effect.
He does music stuff. I do music stuff. And I can tell you the effect causes phasing in music which does NOT sound good. On big speakers and such used in live festivals (these speakers would be mono, NOT stereo, like the speakers in cinema environments) the sounds can actually get cancelled and it would sound thin (also a flanger type effect could be heard sometimes) and you dont want that do we? I do understand what you are going on about, but do understand that this is a channel which primarily discuss the issues of a music producer.
Ya, I think I'll take Marc Daniel Nelson's take on this, thanks. He explained it, demonstrated it and addressed the effect collapsed to mono when done correctly. What's stupid is you referring to exceeding 40ms for starters. Tip for your videos: add some room treatment in there. That flutter echo is more annoying than the HAAS effect, M8! :)
tried your trick with "a hi hat with the a similar sound", and it just creates a really phased sound... could u be more specific on the approach that you mentionned in the video please?
It doesn't work all the time. Double tracking works well when recording, but for sampling it's still hit or miss depending on your sound and what it's composed of. Some sounds require enormous effort to sound wide + sum back to mono well, that's why there's multiple different approaches to stereo imaging.
It is still effective for listening to ambient on headphones. Not for all genres ok i get your point and it can give problems on big soundsystems in mono but i still use it ;) Keep up the great tips, love your channel.
Multiplier most of those Stereo widening plugins use the Haas effect to create the wider sounds... Slynk has done a video recreating that iZotope plugin exactly with the Haas effect.
I got a £1 plugin from plugin boutique that can separate and pan the mids and sides away from each other, so you can stick all sides on one side and all mids on the other... it's made by sound spot...
PS the FLABALALA is called Comb filtering effect which essentially creates weird notches killing the audio fidelity itself. Real sick of that stupid technique! thx. @multiplier For me ,i have aux-return chnls. placed with 30-40 % auto pan amount,(rate as per your sound) ..it sorta gives a blending natural width. Lmk if it has flaws too.
So.. Sum up! The Haas effect works when implied by an algorithm correctly but if done sloppy and fast by a inexperienced engineer can ruin your mix. Like any natural force! 😆
you've missed a lot, it is an essential effect and people dont talk about it because for a lot of people they dont understand what it actually is, utilized properly you can create a lot of depth and a lot of cleaner dynamics as a result, i have an ableton rack for it and it allows you to really dial it in instead of just "delaying something a millisecond to create imaging" as opposed to eqing everything specifically for hours at a time to achieve the exact same effect, this whole video is bullshit.
Nop it's not mono if you're in a room. Reflections works same, that's the problem with some rooms. You won't listen in mono that's stupid , actually that happens with low hz your brain can't know the source. The world it's not a 3D matrix training room with no reflection maybe some places like salt lake. But even with reflections your brain knows. If it's stupid for you , you should work with your phase if sounds like crap. That's something you should be aware. And some times in concerts engineers should take care of that. Why my brain works like that!!
Words are indeed difficult if you use too much of them.... The Haas is effect is only stupid if you explain it like that.... 3 channels is always the way to go-> stereo and mono together....
This was a great explanation, thanks! Subscribed. One bit of advice, though. You’re very entertaining and I like the awkward humor, but in this video you repeated your explanations multiple times without a clear goal, which made you less engaging. When you explained why listening to a stereo mix from far away makes it mono, for instance, you repeated yourself 3-4 times. I know this is a year old so you may have changed your style, but if not I thought you might appreciate the feedback!
True, though things can sound good or bad. If a sound is phasing undesirably and it sounds thin, a collective opinion would prefer an in phase, fatter, fuller sound.
Very true. Probably a more important statement then this video. Music is an art. No matter how the music industry tries to brainwash you in thinking its not....its an art. Which means its subjective. You might like a chord and someone else might dislike the same chord.
the two sounds wouldn't be time offset though, so in the case of the high hat example, it would sound like a layered high hat, and not a delayed high hat
Who cares about using the hass for a mono signal? Usually when u use it u cut the mono-signal!!! If you are using it for a mono signal and keeping the mono you are making a mistake... If u want to create width without harming the mono, use phase differences...
Omg....went off, boiled the kettle and made a cup of coffee. Got back and he's still repeating himself without getting to the point. Page one of the video tutorial manual. Be clear, coherent and CONCISE....and btw there is nothing inherently wrong with the Haas effect if used with caution in the right context.
Nice video , although you’re entitled to your own opinion. If you’re a good sound engineer then the haas effect will cause no issue. It really depends on the person and how well of knowledge they have with their hardware/ software. Keep it up I subscribed. Good video.
right so this whole video is just the haas effect except you aren't calling it that, there are hundreds of different ways to do it but they all achieve the same goal which is the haas effect, used properly none of the stuff you mention as being the reasons why the haas effect is bad actually happen, there are loads of ableton racks that allow you to force everything back to mono while retaining the haas effect. Bottom line is utilized correctly all of these methods work and they all achieve the same fucking effect
Jesus Christ does anybody make music production tutorials without a heavy accent? They straightened out our speech in America. That's why the second coming will happen in America to start because they been ordering them FN Tektons. It all has to do with order.
MAYBE ANYONE CAN HELP ME PLEASE! situation: i have finished a track and the synth is with hass, so it sounds really good and fat on headphones and at home on my speakers. but then i switches the audio setting of my macbook from stereo to mono to simulate the club atmosphere (club speakers are most mono as i know) and guess, it sounds like shit in mono haha. so i turned hass of and added a little utility and when i switch to mono now, it doesnt lose much quality from the synth, as with hass on. is there any option to find like a golden middle? because the synth sounds still nice but hass gives it this little extra special. please write me on my instagram because i dont know if i get a notification if someone tags me here. thx! instagram: toniclosar
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The Haas effect is a psycho-acoustic phenomena that lets your brain perceive the sound from a certain direction. This will also take in the fact that your natural surroundings have reflections from different angles. It's not a 'DAW effect' like reverb or delay etc. When talking about the recreating the phenomena called haas effect in a mixing situation you're effectively trying to 'pan' your sound with a delay (delaypanning) to the left or to the right. Stereo's whole point is that it's not the same als the other side. Not everything needs to be mono compatible. In nature when using your ears it's not always mono compatible either only your brain will correct the flaws that are created by the natural stereo.
First of all it would be stupid to even use delaypanning (if you're trying to pan your sound) on a percussive sound like you've demonstrated unless you're going for an effect of some sort because you 'are' just delaying a sound. No schooled technician in the right mind would ever use this effect like you've demonstrated this.
Second you're demonstrating one of the most renowned stereo imagers on the market who uses (only) the haas effect, Ozone's imager. What this algorithm is doing is frequency based delaypanning, not just blindly delaying left from right or vice versa. Grab a stereodelay and set the frequency from which you want it to be panned to the left or the right would essentialy be the same. Ofcourse Ozone's imager is more advanced so it will sound superior. We as humans can't distinguish direction from frequencies under 300Hz. (Ozone knows this and therefore will not spread this area, that's why it's good mono compatible). The only thing they use different is that there algorithm uses parellel spreading so you always hear the original source and therefore will not cancel out. (Also flipping sides so the original will not cancel out a spread out version...oke details details).
Basically my point is this, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't try and learn people bad theory and techniques. I'm not hating on you as a person, i'm just correcting your lack of knowledge from a schooled engineers point of view who wants to help spread good information.
Please feel free to e-mail me with questions or respond if you want to know more stuff!
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Yeah lmao, what a bad take on the subject. You'd think you would bother to at least pull up wikipedia first before completely mangling a subject, y'know, for the sake of learning what you're even narrating about. And then they still opted for "it's a stupid effect"
like what is next, "binaural perception is for girls"? Why?
@@minhuang8848 This made me laugh! haha Great point
I forgot this guy existed but now I remember why after he popped up in my youtube search results.
Thank you for writing this so I didnt have to.
Yes, this guy is a complete jackass.
I have written a couple of HAAS effect plugins, they provide excellent stereo imaging.
It's especially fun to vary the pan control and watch the VU meters NOT change.
The Haas effect is a psychoacoustic effect. It's not smart, it's not stupid, it just is. Like gravity. Gravity isn't stupid, it just is. However the Haas effect can be exploited while mixing.
Thanks for the tip. Fyi you repeat yourself a lot! Repetition is good but 10+ times in a row is too much
tulsa dome yes but if you fall asleep listening back on playlists you get hypnotised into knowing, repetition is key
They call him multiplier for a reason
How grateful are you
Julius Martin That’s funny AF 🤣🤣
If you manage to repeat it every two times in about 35ms, its probably okay.
Dude the Haas effect is great, especially for tiny microdelays, here i'm talking less then 2 milliseconds. At such tiny delaytimes the Haas effect becomes an alternative to panning which sounds much more natural than traditional volume panning.
If you want an instrument to be panned to the right, panning it to the right by volume would eventually turn off any sound on the left, but that's not how things work in the real natural world if you have like a guitar player playing the guitar on your right side. You will still hear the guitar on your left ear in the natural world, in fact you may even hear it almost as loud on your left ear. The perception of the guitar being to the right of you is all in the difference in time that it takes the sound to reach your right ear, as well as the reflections off the walls of the room.
The Haas effect is great at emulating real world panning and creating a much more natural sounding pan effect, you can even combine it with very sight volume panning to make the effect sound even more natural. For example try this, delay left or right side by between 0.5 and 2 milliseconds and also drop the volume of the delayed side by 1.5 to 6 dB, this is a very natural sounding pan effect. It may not be a natural sounding effect that you're going for, sometimes an unnatural effect may be just what the doctor ordered, but if it is a natural effect you're going for then the Haas effect is excellent!
The phasing issues you mention are just not a real issue. You have phasing all around you in the natural world. If you have a mono sound playing in stereo speakers, then this sound WILL phase by destructive or constructive interference depending on where you are standing relative to your speakers. Next thing you'll be telling us that stereo speakers are stupid for this exact reason 😂
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😂 I’d add that in the live sound environment, it’s often very useful to exploit the haas effect with delays to reduce comb filtering “holes” or dead spots that form around the room. A mono kick will sound great in the sweet spot but might be -15 at 60hz a few paces to left. A stereo delay with one side ever so slightly off can fill that hole a bit.
@@kangaroosport5566 What a gem, dude! Thanks for the tip, glad I checked this comment section 🙏🙏
Lol glad I came across this as the comments have taught me what I was looking for way more than the video did
The Haas effect has it's place. It's certainly not stupid. If you leave stereo widening out the discussion, you can actually use the Haas effect to raise the perceived loudness of a lead vocal without raising the lead vocal fader. Also the example you used as a better alternative literally is the haas effect. You should take this info on board, use some of the comments here as a learning exercise, and do a bit more research to gain a bit more understanding on a technique that has so much to offer
Mda stereo, it's free and has an impressive comb filtering algorithm. It can't get as wide as a fully separated stereo but it does not affect the mono signal at all
The haas effect is SO effective if you know how to use it. And about your point about listening in mono far away from the speakers would apply to any form of stereo effect. What I want to say with this, is: I 100% disagree with you. Love lots of your other content though 😊
JoeKold Media you couldn’t have said it better
agree
so ... how to use it properly then?
It’s all about the ms. And the the diffusion you would have on the delayed side. And then also know what sounds this effect would apply well on.
I'd really like to know how to use it properly, but that is just too vague
Its now the Hass-been effect.
Man 😂😂😂
100%
That "stereoize" thing you show in iZotope... Yeah, that's a 0-20ms slider... Take a wild guess at HOW that creates a stereo effect
Yeah I laughed when he used that as an example of an alternative method for stereo widening
Logan Macdonald I’ve used ozone imager for like a year and It hasn’t ever created the phasing issue that the haas effect does :^)
@@theblue-jay1028 go watch Slynks video on the imager where he recreates it
Whenever you move audio around on the timeline (essentially what the Haas effect is) you have to account for phase. That’s why it’s not a set number. So to create it effectively, you split the stereo sound into 2 mono audio tracks, then move it by X number of wavelengths, until desired wideness. Thus creating no phasing issues and you never hear it as a delay unless you go too far, at which point it is no longer the Haas effect.
"Stereoize" isn't a simple Haas effect. it's a different algorithm. sure, it's not perfect, and can sound a bit like Haas if not set correctly, but it's better (and much more mono compatible). run some tests with vectorscope to prove it..
You might as well argue:
"Don't use any effects that try to simulate rooms (ex: delays and reverbs) because they may sound different depending where you are."
It was simply an odd take on the subject.
Psychoacoustically, we do not perceive a delay of less than 40 ms as an echo, so a properly applied Haas effect will never be perceived as a delay no matter how far from the sound source, but it will still stand out because it grabs our attention the same way that hearing sound from one direction piques our interest. It’s a psychological effect as much as anything else. Phase issues can arise (but not necessarily), but all you need to do is create the effect by hard panning two copies of the same sound with nothing down the middle, delay one by more than 5 but less than 40 ms, and reverse the phase of one of the sides. Phase problem solved, widening effect achieved. Your method can work, too - but it also adds more, different activity in the exact same frequency range which the ear can perceive as ruckus. Sometimes that’s a good thing, but sometimes that’s a bad thing, and one may need to pull down the EQ of other sounds in the same spectrum to accommodate it, which can have its own cost - so if phasing is your problem, solve that problem by hitting one button, and avoid adding unnecessary clutter in a frequency band. The whole point of using the Haas effect is to avoid having to layer sounds to achieve width. But if layers works in a particular context, great. Both methods achieve the stated goal and choosing which to use, much like everything in life...depend on the circumstance.
Man, clickbait... for producers xD
yeah i dont mind if it's a producer who is ranting about his/her opinion, but when the producer telling it's audience WRONG information then that gets under my skin
One of the most divisive concepts in audio. Imo it's all down to creative decisions vs technical ones.
HAAS is an effect, it won't always translate well, but if you like the effect, and you couldn't care less that's it's "incompatible" then by all means. Maybe you're ok with the idea that it's potentially compromised when played in a compromised environment.
Be aware of these things, but it's still up to you.
Plus, the offset depends on your head as well. Your psychoacoustics are relative to your head, it's size etc.
Haas effect:Used to achieve stereo width by using the same instrument twice one panned left and other right and delaying one of it.
MAESWTKT (Multiplier Approach Effect Stereo Widening Trick Knowledge Technique) :Used to achieve stereo width by using the same instrument twice one panned left and other right and one of it slightly different than the other.
What you show at 6'54 looks like the advanced imager from Ozone 9 (or 10?), a multiband Haas effect. Or am I confused?
Agreed but is interesting for headphones, most of the people listen music at headphones as main system but totally agreed with your examples, salute
So you pretty much painted your walls the color of your eyes
painted with computer magic paint
I love the haas effect, and yes it’s not mono compatible, but that’s why I always use a mid side EQ after. But I did like the concept that even in stereo, from a distance, you are effectively listening in mono. Never heard that before, but I’ll use this trick to my advantage while mixing from now on. Why convert my track when I can back up, genius.
Actually I've heard about that and I tried to deal with that... One simple trick that worked for me is to duplicate for example the same lead, bass, whatever, and put a grain delay in one of them... That gives a wider feeling to the sound
UHBIK-G, it's a good option!
Uh... that's the Haas effect.
haas effect is very cool if you want to move the sound a little bit backwards with close miking
That perc was not a good example, and the only down side is when a signal is in mono? In my opinion the Haas effect sounds better than many "wideners" because it doesn't color the signal.
You have a fair argument though
Well, duplicating sound waves with a delay between them might not be an issue with headphones. Simply because the speakers are not messing up the sound.
He repeated it so many times, I would never forget it now xD
that trick u are telling is what people do normally to record guitars, double guitars hehe it is a really nice approach! i really thank you the tip!
I cringe when i think back to the times i used to Haas my guitar tracks instead of double tracking. My God they sounded like hot garbage. It certainly is a golden rule of audio to never layer the exact same recording for any reason.
beatles did that
Facu Bozzi LOL
isnt two takes of exactly the same guitar part the same as duplicating a single track and causing a slight delay? When you re record a track isnt what causes the stereo sound the fact its delayed?
Hey There I believe the thing that causes a stereo effect when you re-record a track is that your second take is always going to be slightly different in tone, tuning, and amplitude than the first. You will probably get a bit of width from delay as well, but since it isn’t the exact same recording you won’t get the phase cancellation when summer to mono. That’s my understanding of it at least
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So should I unplug my monitors and listen to my track from my laptop when trying to get the best results? Just every once in a while
To creae that width could you take a single bass and duplicate it,eq one different than the other to create that difference you were talking about?
Let's say you write some phat dubstep bass riffs and split the frequency into M/S(creating two tracks). I've found the Haas effect to actually be pretty useful on the Side channel. Not really for stereo imaging in the classical sense but to give your sides more presence in the mix if they were lacking. It's hard to explain but I'm sure you've heard it in a lot of popular dubstep tunes. The Haas effect when used like this gives a very distinctive sound. Kind of like throwing a "Yo Man" on your side channel.
EDIT : I should point out that I usually do have to fix phasing issues if I do this but to a lesser extent being that it's only for the side information.
Nurko is probably laughing his ass off at this video
You're hilarious:) even in mono:)) The vibe is already enough to subscribe, but of course thanks for the sharing your valuable thoughts, experience and insights. First time on your channel and looking forward to your other videos. Best wishes!
Aren’t you also suppose to pan the signals hard left and right? The delay pretty much creates a home made chorus while the panning creates the stereo image. Isn’t the point of this effect to simulate a tape playback chorus type of effect?
chorus plays with pitch too
the word is "Flam" its a percussion term
ahhhh yes! that's the word I was looking for
I don't believe you quite understand the purpose of the effect. And actually what the effect is. Wikipedia sometimes gets it wrong... It's actually the effect of using the left right delay and making the delayed signal louder. You still hear the sound as if it comes from the less loud side. That's the haas effect. Not the delay itself. The haas effect is used a lot for live sound and cinemas to give the people in the back a good experience. The sound from the podium or screen have a natural delay because it's farther away than the surround speakers. They're delayed a bit so you still think the sound is coming from the screen instead of from the surround speakers. It's implemented in pretty much all big PA systems and cinemas. I'm afraid I had to dislike for poor research and lack of understanding before ranting this quite beautiful effect.
He does music stuff. I do music stuff. And I can tell you the effect causes phasing in music which does NOT sound good.
On big speakers and such used in live festivals (these speakers would be mono, NOT stereo, like the speakers in cinema environments) the sounds can actually get cancelled and it would sound thin (also a flanger type effect could be heard sometimes) and you dont want that do we?
I do understand what you are going on about, but do understand that this is a channel which primarily discuss the issues of a music producer.
@@nebroskitheraut6705 agreed
pretty sure that Bose Soundlink is mono already , right?
my charge 4 is mono unless u link 2 or more to get the stereo effect.
I just checked to make sure, and the Soundlink is indeed stereo
Flams can be good though...?
Ya, I think I'll take Marc Daniel Nelson's take on this, thanks. He explained it, demonstrated it and addressed the effect collapsed to mono when done correctly. What's stupid is you referring to exceeding 40ms for starters. Tip for your videos: add some room treatment in there. That flutter echo is more annoying than the HAAS effect, M8! :)
tried your trick with "a hi hat with the a similar sound", and it just creates a really phased sound... could u be more specific on the approach that you mentionned in the video please?
It doesn't work all the time. Double tracking works well when recording, but for sampling it's still hit or miss depending on your sound and what it's composed of. Some sounds require enormous effort to sound wide + sum back to mono well, that's why there's multiple different approaches to stereo imaging.
It is still effective for listening to ambient on headphones. Not for all genres ok i get your point and it can give problems on big soundsystems in mono but i still use it ;) Keep up the great tips, love your channel.
thanks man! :D
with what you describe as being a better way, how to deal with phasing?
use two slightly different samples, no phasing
"omg this means you should never do it" lol
I JUST LOVE THE AWKWARDNESS :D
So the Haas effect is stupid but tools that leverage the Haas effect are "quite good" ???
great point. keep up the good work M
thanks man!
This made sense to me and I'm glad I watched
glad to hear! :D
“The HAAS effect doesn't make sense! You should use this algorithm to make stereo" *demonstrating a HAAS effect-Stereo Plugin *
RUclips kills me today
Such video is very much confusing for beginners. I'm confused what to opt in. Haas effect or normal stereo width. 😯
So this is where Stuart Lee gets his inspiration for use of repetition.
Multiplier most of those Stereo widening plugins use the Haas effect to create the wider sounds...
Slynk has done a video recreating that iZotope plugin exactly with the Haas effect.
lots of plugins do indeed simply do the Haas effect to 'create width'. that doesn't make it good. the best ones do more than just Haas.
Hass effects sound only good in headphone but phases in mono
Agreed, the hass effect is stupid, sounds great, but it will screw up your mix on so many systems.
I got a £1 plugin from plugin boutique that can separate and pan the mids and sides away from each other, so you can stick all sides on one side and all mids on the other... it's made by sound spot...
You should really consider some acoustic treatment, your room is very reverberant.
It's actually the Haas effect on the whole video. It's the Multiplier deep lore
This video HAAS me crazy
But you can always try that haas effect on mono that does it still sound good or not? Great points tho :) 💪🏼
^ very true. if in doubt, just check.
Your mic sounds like a radio mic. Do you use a gate and compressor?
yep! denoise, compression, gate, etc.. and the mic is the RE20, which is THE radio mic of the last 25 years
Haas effect. I use it. It's fine.
PS the FLABALALA is called Comb filtering effect which essentially creates weird notches killing the audio fidelity itself. Real sick of that stupid technique! thx. @multiplier
For me ,i have aux-return chnls. placed with 30-40 % auto pan amount,(rate as per your sound) ..it sorta gives a blending natural width. Lmk if it has flaws too.
So.. Sum up! The Haas effect works when implied by an algorithm correctly but if done sloppy and fast by a inexperienced engineer can ruin your mix.
Like any natural force! 😆
Which drugs u use?
bro, you are underated
:D thanks!
So…similar, but different?
exactly the same
Thank you for sharing this information.
Are you ok though?
Saw the title, was happy
i sine what you did there
The haas effect is great
I never heard of this HAAS effect ... didn't miss anything so it seems..
you've missed a lot, it is an essential effect and people dont talk about it because for a lot of people they dont understand what it actually is, utilized properly you can create a lot of depth and a lot of cleaner dynamics as a result, i have an ableton rack for it and it allows you to really dial it in instead of just "delaying something a millisecond to create imaging" as opposed to eqing everything specifically for hours at a time to achieve the exact same effect, this whole video is bullshit.
Nop it's not mono if you're in a room. Reflections works same, that's the problem with some rooms. You won't listen in mono that's stupid , actually that happens with low hz your brain can't know the source. The world it's not a 3D matrix training room with no reflection maybe some places like salt lake. But even with reflections your brain knows. If it's stupid for you , you should work with your phase if sounds like crap. That's something you should be aware. And some times in concerts engineers should take care of that.
Why my brain works like that!!
Words are indeed difficult if you use too much of them....
The Haas is effect is only stupid if you explain it like that....
3 channels is always the way to go-> stereo and mono together....
This could have been 5 minutes long >_>
u obviously dont get how the haas effect works. what u are doing is the same thing just in a different style, there are hundreds of ways to use this
INTERAURAL TIME DIFFERENCE,
5:03 the word you are looking for is flam.
"Multiplier approach effect stereo widening trick knowledge technique." - also known as 'Double-tracking'
yep!
might want to run your audio through rx before you post another video, cant hear past your breaths
It s better to real double track guitars than using Haas effect, that s a fact.
This explanation is stupid, but i learned alot. Thank you?haha
Finally updated profile pic
I genuinely couldn't figure out how until recently
next video... Teal and Orange is stupid !
It's called a flam.
Do you know RossCreations? lol you kind of look like him b4 he cut his hair.
A "Haas" is a Hare in dutch
This was a great explanation, thanks! Subscribed. One bit of advice, though. You’re very entertaining and I like the awkward humor, but in this video you repeated your explanations multiple times without a clear goal, which made you less engaging. When you explained why listening to a stereo mix from far away makes it mono, for instance, you repeated yourself 3-4 times. I know this is a year old so you may have changed your style, but if not I thought you might appreciate the feedback!
Hes got a point here :)
Facts
there's no right or wrong in music
True, though things can sound good or bad. If a sound is phasing undesirably and it sounds thin, a collective opinion would prefer an in phase, fatter, fuller sound.
until you learn that you were doing it wrong
very very true.
Very true. Probably a more important statement then this video. Music is an art. No matter how the music industry tries to brainwash you in thinking its not....its an art. Which means its subjective. You might like a chord and someone else might dislike the same chord.
Wouldn’t the same thing happen just now with 2 sounds
the two sounds wouldn't be time offset though, so in the case of the high hat example, it would sound like a layered high hat, and not a delayed high hat
Multiplier oooooh I see, thanks for the response!!
Weird huh? It’s a pro trick used by lots of Grammy winning mixers, old and new.
the pronunciations are "hoss" and "parTAY"
Who cares about using the hass for a mono signal? Usually when u use it u cut the mono-signal!!! If you are using it for a mono signal and keeping the mono you are making a mistake... If u want to create width without harming the mono, use phase differences...
correct!
Omg....went off, boiled the kettle and made a cup of coffee. Got back and he's still repeating himself without getting to the point. Page one of the video tutorial manual. Be clear, coherent and CONCISE....and btw there is nothing inherently wrong with the Haas effect if used with caution in the right context.
Nice video , although you’re entitled to your own opinion. If you’re a good sound engineer then the haas effect will cause no issue. It really depends on the person and how well of knowledge they have with their hardware/ software. Keep it up I subscribed. Good video.
right so this whole video is just the haas effect except you aren't calling it that, there are hundreds of different ways to do it but they all achieve the same goal which is the haas effect, used properly none of the stuff you mention as being the reasons why the haas effect is bad actually happen, there are loads of ableton racks that allow you to force everything back to mono while retaining the haas effect. Bottom line is utilized correctly all of these methods work and they all achieve the same fucking effect
What??
Jesus Christ does anybody make music production tutorials without a heavy accent? They straightened out our speech in America. That's why the second coming will happen in America to start because they been ordering them FN Tektons. It all has to do with order.
Shots fired!
Yes, just yes
MAYBE ANYONE CAN HELP ME PLEASE! situation: i have finished a track and the synth is with hass, so it sounds really good and fat on headphones and at home on my speakers. but then i switches the audio setting of my macbook from stereo to mono to simulate the club atmosphere (club speakers are most mono as i know) and guess, it sounds like shit in mono haha. so i turned hass of and added a little utility and when i switch to mono now, it doesnt lose much quality from the synth, as with hass on. is there any option to find like a golden middle? because the synth sounds still nice but hass gives it this little extra special. please write me on my instagram because i dont know if i get a notification if someone tags me here. thx! instagram: toniclosar
IIxNeXuS change it to stereo by using a sound imager. Problem solved.
Sorry mate, it Haas been proven to be quite efficient. Not knowing how or when to apply it is another story Sherlock..
Your brain disagree. Not sure if it's sarcasm