How close are we to uploading our minds? - Michael S.A. Graziano
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- Опубликовано: 27 окт 2019
- Investigate the possibility of scanning the human brain and uploading our minds and consciousness to a digital world.
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Imagine a future where nobody dies- instead, our minds are uploaded to a digital world. There they could live on in a realistic, simulated environment with avatar bodies, calling in and contributing to the biological world. Mind-uploading has powerful appeal- but what would it actually take to scan a person’s brain and upload their mind? Michael S. A. Graziano explores the challenges.
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The brain is literally finding ways to save itself
Ewe Chen isn’t that the whole point of a brain?
@@hexx6120 yeah
woah... youre right
That's....well dark but makes sense...
Meta
The animation is very cool..
It's like abstract art in motion.
❤
FPS dropped too hard for me
For the people who dont know how it is when you relax your mind when youre trying to sleep, this is what you think when you lay in bed 1:09 to 1:23
So in other words, i'm going to die eventually 😢
@@Mariofan2479 WE all are.But it is nothing to be upset about.We are born.We live.We die.Such is the nature of existence.
acar1994 it’s the circle of life
Narrator's voice and beautiful animations make the Ted-ED videos to standout. Well done :)
You have a very good channel!!. Keep it up brother❤️❤️
@@scienceogram7291 thanks brother ;)
Nice
Visaipalagai ranjith Kumar make video this topic
Did you all check out Elon Musk SNL monologue where his gestures were looping in the same pattern...and said what if we were like a video game that could be controlled from outer space was the joke...then this video reminded me of the navy seals were giving away secrets to Hollywood and video game developers. Then the zoo 7d
One thing that always scares me as a kid on the topic of mind uploading is whether we are evading death or simply creating a copy of ourself. If we preserve our brain and turn our body into a cyborg then it seems like the former but if we are copying data and information of our brain into a digital system, it seems whoever is enjoying the benefits or sensation of that is not us (we still die) but a copy of our memory.
This concept occurs frequently. The problem is with the word "copy". If someone creates an MP3 then sends copies to their friends, does it matter which is the original? They're all identical, so they all contain the original signal. One signal, many files. Or like in Minecraft, where a single seed produces a single world, and many players may generate that world. Until they start modifying it, it's one world with many views.
The brain is a consciousness generating device. If it was digital and deterministic, then two or more identical brains receiving the same input would generate the same output and produce the same instance of consciousness. One consciousness, many brains.
If you'd be jealous of the immortal version of you, simply make sure the upload is destructive. The original consciousness would continue to be generated by a different device. Your brain would die, but your consciousness would not. Given the gruesome way brains fail, I'd rather not be trapped in one.
As for discontinuity of consciousness and copy errors, my life is proof that those don't matter. I've had ECT, which means after an abrupt loss of consciousness, countless small errors were created in my brain, followed by me waking up in the recovery room. I'm an imperfect copy of myself. For a little while I was dead, then another version of me with the same identity came into existence somewhere else. A destructive upload would be like that, but hopefully with less error.
true, living with a mind uploaded is worse than death
@@JB52520 The thing is, we don't know what consciousness is, so there's no guarantee at all.
This seems to me like creating a digital twin, which could go on to live a life of its own without you…
Reminds me of the Clovis Bray AI in Destiny 2. It's technically the original Clovis' consciousness in the AI.
The question I have about this hypothetical technology is: If you upload your mind, you are really just creating a copy of yourself and since you are not the copy, but rather the original, what's the point? After they finished they would say, "your mind was successfully uploaded" and you'd say "shouldn't I be in a computer simulation right now?" and they'd say "a version of you is in the computer simulation right now" and you'd say "a lot of good that does me, I'm still stuck in the real world". This also begs the question, after the upload which one would be your real consciousness?
We could also bring it further with a ship of Theseus question. If perhaps we started replacing neurons with synthetic ones one by one, would that kill us? And at what point?
@@machixiusOh, nice insight, I haven't thought about that.
But that's the point. What you're talking about is the cyborg route. The uploading mind one is for its definition just a "digitally copy".
Also, I think it's obvious thay if we'de be able to do what you describe, we won't feel like dying and finally becoming immortals. After all we as an organism too replace all our cells during our lifetime and still "remain" the same.
Sure, we could say that every time a cell of you dies, you also die, and then there a new you who of course doesn't feel like dying because you have all the memories of the other you 😬😂
In fact this is also what would feel the uploaded mind.
Thinking about it, the uploading mind could also create some kind of competition and hatred between one another. After all who is the "real one"?
The weak mind who is destined to die, or the immortal you? 😅
EXACTLY
@@BioTheHumani think the original body should get terminated after upload.
Or else, the uploaded consciousness should only be activated after the original body dies.
I don't see it as a problem. For your loved ones, having a copy of you and your thoughts even after you've passed away would be idle. I'm sure a lot of people would love to hear their mom/dad's voice/thoughts again.
This is the video game SOMA. It tackles a lot of the philosophical and ethical issues about this, and is both terrifying and brilliant.
agreed, uploading ur mind is recreating it, aka cloning. it would not be actually you. at the moment cloning is complete, it will be a different person since you both will have different experiences from that point of time and on. You will however think a like alot (ofc) since you share the same knowlage of the past.
only way to stay alive is to keep your (original) brain alive.
SOMA was so goooood. Damn~
@@glitchyunknown9495 yes it would. It would be you.
@@glitchyunknown9495 , the OTHER way to keep your original brain alive is to TRANSPLANT your brain, not UPLOAD
@@noodboy4633
exactly, transplanting would work.
In the future when this is possible, would our consciousness actually “enter” the computer? Or would it be more like a digital copy and paste of the mind creating a new version of you in the computer? From the video it seems like the latter.
Yeah thats the case of course. You die but a copy of you lives on. I don't understand why so many people can't understand this.
Consiousness transference is impossible unless we understand what truly makes up consciousness. What this video is describing is just copy and paste, in other words make a backup.
Right and if the original mind dies anyway, than what is even the point? 🤔
I'm 20 and studying especially for this. Hope that 60 years will be enough...
I believe in you. Let me die in San Junipero.
What are you studying, exactly? I'd love to study this kind of thing :) plz let me know soon
@@robenkhoury7079 Gonna go neuroscience at University.
@@Italian_Isaac_Clarke ahh thank you so much! Might do that too
@@robenkhoury7079 Ya can't rely on other people to do what's important.
Btw plan B and C may be useful too, as with treatments to elongate human life or directly using the biological brain as computer (cyborg-like).
These treatments aren't good enough for space travel tho, so it would just be a way to give more time for the research.
“The point is: If we can store music on a compact disc, why can't we store a man's intelligence and personality on one? So I have the engineers figuring that out now.”
-Cave Johnson, Portal 2
Though it seems easy... Its too different from each other... Bcz thats sounds waves... Its intelligence.... N we still have to figure out whats intelligence 1st..... then we could proceed
@@yogastakurukarmani I know. I was just quoting from a game related to the subject
DNA storage
@@HardKore5250 that wouldn't save the mind
@@noway5096 brain backups
trump: we need to build a wall
digital trump: we need to build a firewall
noodboy firewall has detected 12 new Trojans from //:ex:Trojan.file;theTacoHombre.exe
Trump immediately gets pinged as a virus and deleted**
Not funny, didn't laugh
does that mean other races are the virus
@@Warrka4 well he did get a virus lol
I’ve always thought about this as a way to achieve immortality, but one of the big issues is if we scan our brains how do we know we didn’t just clone ourselves and our consciousness is left behind? This video explained each part of what we need well and my question will eventually be answered in the future
Does it matter if consciousness is left behind? If the simulation is sufficiently accurate to be functional, it'll also have its own consciousness, indistinguishable from the originals. Your question is just pointless - it's like suggesting you die every time you go to sleep because your consciousness is interrupted, and a new one awakes.
Vyl Bird I see your point, I just think if my consciousness is left behind is it really me in the simulation or a copy and I’m left behind?
Both the replies in this conversation has an amazing hypothesis to ponder on.
@@vylbird8014 No, that's not the same thing (going to sleep and waking up). We each see life through our own eyes. Uploading a copy of you could mean someone else is subjectively experiencing it, while you never get to see or feel life again. Don't try to tap dance around his statement.
@@JoeBudd-D Finally I found someone who have a thought same as me. We know that how we are viewing other people but we don't know how they are viewing us.
imagine your grandchildren watching you dancing in the kitchen at 3am with this technology
This is not VR or AR, this is literally *"Uploading"* your mind to a digital world. Although, according to the video, it's *"Copying"* your mind by digitalizing it. [E: Redaction(s)]
@@ultimaxkom8728 Yes, one would wonder if people even watched the video. Also i think they should've at least meantioned that it would be a copy, and not you since you would still be alive.
unfortunately it will then be a copy of you....
you yourself cannot be uploaded, it wil be only a scan that looks very much like you.
So what are the benefits, you will still die, only the copy will live forever......
@@raymanjakobusa8037 these are real Ship of Theseus thought experiment hours
@Estudio Contable wtf man
A show called Pantheon explores this whole concept and its repercussions incredibly well. It's a really well written show and I highly recommend it.
I just finished it yesterday! Your words are most incredibly valid!
Easily my most favorite Transhumanist show so far!
Imagine getting lost in the internet cause your kid reroutes the WiFi To his game. Going straight from lofi music to call of duty
Dammit billy
Not my lofi...!! noooo
Help me I'm stuck in this video, I got redirrected here
you consciousness partitioned into two halves because of network failure. :D
That was the best video I've seen in a while. Unexpectedly good. Huge thanks to Michael Graziano, who made this possible.
I would love to hear this narrator’s voice again in another TED Ed, it’s just so calming.
"Whether we should upload our minds remains an ethical question"
EVERYONE: The alternate is permanent death....
True, I would rather live than die any time, all decisions are left for people to decide.
It would be better to find out what causes us to age and try and stop it. How do we know this has not already happened and we are in a simulation?
"First came biological death, then came virtual death."
The ethical issues outweigh death though. If we upload a mind but just one thing goes wrong, that mind could be in eternal torture and have no way of communicating that with us. Many people would rather die than be tortured forever.
Plus if you uploaded your mind, you yourself would still die. What would still exist electronically would be a copy of your mind, not you. You're still going to die, but potentially create another living entity identical to you which did not ask to be created and does not have a chance to live a biological life.
Once you start looking at the ethical considerations it becomes much more complicated!
@@rickymallard7837 wait. So if i die, and my brain gets uploaded on a computer, i wont be the one controlling "myself" in the simulation?? It will just be another "me"? Whats the point for all of this then.
Damn in the future I can share files from my mind to others
Friends : " Yo dawg do you have that embarrassing event from 10 years ago? "
Me : Say no more fam.
I'd consider a future with people still saying "dawg" and "fam" a dystopia.
@@JTheMelon so we're currently in one?
Is it your mind or is a computer having the same thoughts of you
` it’s wouldn’t necessarily be “you”, it would be a copy of the concept of you. The entity you consider as “I” would have no presence in that form. The concept would inherit your life believing itself to be you but you yourself would be long gone.
@@stargazer1804 Why would you be gone?
I also have some ethical questions that comes to mind...
If we at some point have many minds uploaded, would they ever be against more minds beeing uploaded? Or what if they didnt want to contact the real world anymore, feeling superior?
How secure should the servers be? What if a person destroyed the uploaded mind of someone, does that count as murder?
Should these problems be solved when the technology matures, or is it a human completion plan like EVA?
This is truly fascinating to think about. How would a mind function without a body, a vessel to assist it in sensing the world? Both work together in shaping each persons reality and how they see the world. Without a body and without our senses how would our minds then perceive the world around us? 😮
TED-Ed asking the philosophical questions that may be a reality in the future.
Hopefully not
@@randomnamesoicanfindmyself3123 we're closer every day
Anyone here after watching upload on amazon prime?
The show Pantheon was dedicated to every single question this video asks and I loved it.
(it's a tragedy it got canceled)
Just imagine while uploading, the power cuts off... Your mind are corrupted now :O
*a wild Windows Blue Screen appears*
Its upload, not download. The backup file will be corrupted but the original mind will remain the same.
@@ricardoleite2776 Not if uploading requires a dead brain.Theres a good chance uploading, if ever possible,will only be viable as an operation during a short window after death.
But how could uploading be possible when the brain is the mind (to a greater extent)? The brain does not spit out (or take in) digital information. Of course there might be a digital element in the way it processes information but that would be in conjunction to it's analog processing therefore inseparable...Rather I think it creates some sort of bio-pulse not just to it's outside surroundings that of course could be picked up with eeg sensors placed on the head but also within it's myriad of structures ie the vibrations of specific chemicals inside neurons where you would need to place sensors right beside the neurons for more accuracy ie. the recent neuralink.
However you seem to inadvertently bring up a good point that this technology could indeed be used to create a simulacra (a pretty convincing one at that..depends on how advanced the tech is) of a person "during a short window after death" in order to alleviate suffering that said death may cause.
@@Firestorm12345678910 Indeed. The wording choice in the video works if you take it literally- uploading in digital terms isn't trasnferring a thing in the physical sense but sending the information of how the data is composed somewhere else, creating a copy of it. Everything we upload on the internet doesn't delete the original file. The author doesn't mention this directly but is aware, when he talks about moral concerns that would be the very first one. In the same part where he talk morals he mentions the rights of a uploaded mind, not the rights of someone digitalized. Were it like a soul transfer things would be easier. A copy could also be tampered with.
What is theoretically possible is making a copy, and thats it. I would still like a digital clone of myself that would outlive me, but thats my ego speaking. Me and my mortal body would still rot, and something else of questionable life would remain.
*a wild politician appears*
I wouldnt like to live the time when this will be possible.
Same :(( it kinda sounds scary...
Same
it sounds awful to me. i want to die, it makes me want to live. if that makes any sense
I don't think I could find the energy to make it day to day if such a thing were out of the realm of possibility
Actually it won't be what you think. It would be just a copy of you . From its side it would feel 100% like you but when it comes to the actual you,you would never wake up.
Me : Uploads mind on web
Server : **CRASHES DUE TO MY DEPRESSION**
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Such a lazy joke
Lol
I felt that
Wow haha hilarious
Animations of these ted videos are fire. The entire information delivery system. Lot to learn.
Imagine this.
Putting your memories, experiences, almost everything about you into a highly advanced robot that can help operate a scientific research company, founded by someone you might know of but not entirely sure about it.
me: * reads title *
"this needs to happen. I need to be Keanu Reeves."
theoretically, you can because you can exist in a pure consciousness form and just invade his body
“How could this technology be abused?”
Looks at GLaDOS: well...
"Imagine a world where nobody dies"
Me: Imagine a world where humanity doesnt kill itself first
😂😂😂
@@debayannath9507Chill, it's a joke
"...likely hundreds of years away."
Yeah sure, like this kind of statements are ever right.
There was an expirement . placing RNAs from some sea snail trained to to fear a smell into snails that weren't trained. But when injected with the RNAs of trained snails. The untrained snails exibited the Same behavior
But in this case it might be correct, if not wrong by making it too short. Nothing have evolved so slowly as our understanding, actual understanding of how tought trully works. We know more about the depth of the ocean then our brains, and more about space then the deep ocean- and deep space is somewhere we haven't even reached in person. By contrast most past projections had predicted flying cars and house-servant robots today and earlier.
Looking at the pattern of predictions so far its safe to say:
-The more far away and out there future developments are, the shorter the predictions will place then
-The closer to current tech (but not too close) tends to be projected further away then it actually happens.
Seems simple to get for me. The more we understand and handle something the more the specialists are aware of how complex it is, and any projections they make take into account current tech and trends wich doesn't reflect the ones on coming years, so if rate and trends stayed the same they would be right, but usually those acelerate in bumps.
In comparison further future scenarios assume developments we don't have and presumptions of leaps. The brain upload is a good example- if we can scan and understand the brain fully then uploading is certain given the fixed rate computing has been improving; Thing is we don't have any evidence we will actually develop a scan to micron level non invasive to a living human brain. Maybe its not feasible or wont be for far further then we imagine. Same with the brain, for instance theres lots of barriers- like moral ones, very practical 'can't dissect living humans' barriers in the way of cracking the brain code that may push it further and further away
Technology doesn't follow a constant rate. We have the wrong assumption it does given how any new tech improves linear or exponentially and how transistors (and networks) have improved. Transistor are the only tech im aware of with a steady rate of development. Networks come close, but we might reach a limit very soon (5g itself is only viable by a ridiculous barely practical spread of thousands of antenas of short range). Because we're living the age of the digital boom its easy to equal all tech to transistors and network evolution but it isn't. Other developments in the past all had a steady early evolution until it became irregular- that just means we learn and master something new at a steady rate, but when we finally master it improvements come irregularly at small steps. We might be just mastering computing and the current networks. unless quantum computing really opens a new trully game changing venue we will also hit a hard limit on transistor (a very phisical one).
TLDR: i was promised flying cars by now and have none. Not even a hover board. Im mad!
@@Vincer your spelling is horrible
@@osmosisjones4912 Not my main language. But i imagine it got the message across regardless
@@osmosisjones4912 your usage of punctuations are abused...
Here we are trying to escape *The Matrix* but nooo, let's plug us back inside...
Actually, the original plot was about how ethical it is to plug into Matrix or not. Hollywood replaced it with the oversimplistic machines vs humans, a plot that has vilains, goods objectives, because that's what people could percieve.
Lol, I haven't thought about that. Awesome
@@mkb6418 I like the view shown on The Second Renaissance. The Matrix was developed as the only way to preserve humanity, as actual coexistence was too difficult. This fits with Agent Smith's remarks about earlier versions of the simulation being an utopia, which the average human brain rejected. The Matrix is not an energy plant, processor or even a zoo. It's a nature preserve for a species that's too dangerous to let free on the real world.
i mean the matrix was bad right?
@@alexwang982 , no, of course not it's really good
"We're likely hundreds of years away from the technology and scientific understanding that would make it a reality..."
*cries in mortality*
Humans have existed on Earth for ~200,000 years. We first obtained flight 118 years ago. 56 years later we landed on the moon.
The first computer waste size of a building and had 2KB of memory. Now we can fit several terabytes of information in objects that we can hold in our hand.
I think we got this In the next 60-80 years.
@@Riflemanofwar yeah, we were dicking around for like 199 thousand of those 200 thousand years tho
That was truly excellent. Just enough information for 5 mins.
Fantastic video, beautiful animation and great information - thank you (sending from my neural mind)
Theres a series with 10 episodes called "Upload" and its really good.
The most important thing people tend to forget, is that uploading your mind to a computer would create a simulated clone of yourself. You would not be in a computer. While your clone (if you could even call it that) could live on, you yourself would still die.
yup, it's like that. Living with a mind uploaded is worse than death.
If you do it piecewise, I.e. molecule by molecule, transistor by transistor, neutron by neuron... would you notice the transition? Or will be the exact same as your cells constantly dying and being replaced as it is already with the biological human body? The problem with your definition of what “you” are is that you are seeing it as a discrete, static object. The reality is that what “you” are as an identity is a constantly changing, dynamic system that is a fuzzy non-static object - a spike in the energy on the fabric of the universe.
Superb animation style! I dig the trippy effects!
The reason why i love this channel is giving us knowledge ♥️♥️♥️
Something tells me that Quantum mechanics is going to be a huge part of transferring the vector of consciousness[our brain] to a new cyber conduit. In particular, quantum superposition and entanglement, which are both fundamental parts of making a quantum computer function.
TED-Ed: we're like hundreds of years away
Neuralink: Hold my artificial brain
Neuralink is something completely different. Here you insert electrodes, that you train to react in specific ways by changing your neural firing patterns. That's to a mind upload, like taking a fingerprint is to sequencing your complete genome and fully understanding it
@@frankschneider6156 boomer
@@frankschneider6156 but its a better approach instead of uploading imagine replacing your neurons one by one in a long timespan for example ten years until you are left with no biological neurons then you can interface with that and use the benefits of virtual and actual reality at the same time
@@thedark333side4 Ah, the ship of Theseus idea. Might work, Assuming that the indivíduality of a human is indeed the electric pattern in his brain, by gradually substituting organic neurons with electronics, this might actually work, as long the the electronic pattern stays more or less intact.
It's obviously a technological fantasy, far far far beyond whatever we might be capable in the foreseeable future, but theoretically that could work.
@@frankschneider6156 its not that far tbh we already have people working on nano surgeons that can and do surgery from inside the body on microscopic levels and we also have a couple of teams working on artificial neurons that are still 35% larger compared to human neurons so they wouldn't fit inside the brain as well as the Organic things do but considering that we are advancing at an accelerating rate they could be able to make them small enough so that they actually fit and respond to neurotransmitters that are already in the brain couple that with the nano surgeons and they will get to the ship of theseus much faster than you think
A brilliant video like always.
Both animation and narration are great !
The ethical considerations are really interesting. The big one I see is how accessible this technology would be particularly along economic lines. If this technology came out yesterday, for example, I don’t think that it would be out of the question that it would be insanely expensive and only within reach of the ultra-wealthy. Obviously there would be a time frame before the technology could be scaled to handle large numbers of people, but after that the question of accessibility remains. In my opinion, I would say it should be accessible to everyone or no one. Being able to live forever, or have your consciousness carry on forever, is an amazing prospect but deciding who gets to carry on or who gets to pass on based on their wealth is too great of a class disparity/injustice. Now I’m not trying to write a dystopic sci-fi novel about an immortal ruling class, but even a future approaching a fraction of that would allow for undue exploitation and discrimination of the lower economic classes. The world doesn’t need more reason for discrimination or separation, for that reason I say if it’s not available for everyone then no one should have access.
The show Pantheon has a pretty solid basis about those questions brought up at the end of the episode
These two last videos have been so interesting so far :)
"Every day, I imagine a future where I can be with you..."
"In my hand, is a brain scanning device."
>ENTERS SIMULATION
_MONIKA NO_
The sad reality about mind uploading is that it is of no benefit to the person whose mind is being uploaded.
Ideally, if it worked perfectly, it would be like having a virtual clone of yourself... You would still die, but your clone could live forever, or, well, at least for a very long time.
oh boy this is soma's story line.
pretty sad indeed
Not necessarily , You(Your clone) can revenge your death if its murder ,
2.Some genius like inventor and doctors(clone) can help humanity
3.Your clone can help you get back to physical world
@@jagdishthanki1926 Those are actually some good points
@@hermannbarbato The issue is ... you won't have a virtual clone, respectively: it won't be you. Your brain and thus you constantly changes. Though some very very basic traits of personality are relatively stable most are not. You are far from being the same person you were 10 years ago. Same would happen in case of an hypothetical upload. Immediately after the upload the minds would diverge. 10 years later, you and your upload would be as similar, as e.g. you and your mother. Similarities and common past events, but also huge differences in thinking.
A good start to answer some of these questions can be found in the game called SOMA. Had to think about those types of questions hard after watching a let's play.
i think what this video talks about is rather creating a digital copy of memories then uploading a mind. if we fugure that out, others would still have access to your knowledge and personality, but your conciousness still will die with you.
As far as i know we are nowhere near to understand how our conciousness works, and thats something we would need to figure out before we can think of if its possible to upload it.
Here’s my issue: although the thinking of that person and the memories might be uploaded, that person will still die. Their consciousness won’t live on inside a computer. Rather, the computer would adopt the dead person’s personality. We will still die, but our family could still talk to us.
I wish I was a religious person, death terrifies me.
Life extension and cybernetics are close just dont lose hope
THE DARK333SIDE yes but transferring consciousness and creating a consciousness based off of past memories are different things
@@daawesome166 by cybernetics and life extension i mean preserving the body that you already have or replacing the Organic parts with cybernetic or mechanical ones so you can actually live forever I wasn't talking about uploading of consciousness
THE DARK333SIDE ohhhh I get you now, must’ve been half asleep earlier and didn’t read your comment properly 😂
@@daawesome166 lol no problem bro
I'm happy I won't be around when this becomes possible.
Be optimistic, i’m giving it at the best case scenario 30 years.
Me too
Concept very complex and change the world into new era of neuroscience . Well good explanation by TED Ed.
the deal is if you want to preserve your conciousness, you will have to convert it to the platform rather than copying it to the platform
How cool it would be to get every damn info about this universe...
The Internet is pretty close though
it would be REALLY cool
@@biomutarist6832, yeah but you would have to process centuries of information, this is solved with neuralinks that Elon is developing.
Why would that be cool? Isn't the beauty of life that we don't know everything?
This is extremely reminiscent of the game SOMA. Amazing game, highly recommend. :)
Ayee
SOMA was a masterpiece. If you liked SOMA, you would also love Observer_ they both focus on mind uploading and observer is more so of cybernetic augmentation and implants, which is a direction humanity is currently headed in, and in some places, already have begun doing this.
Ted Ed: "we're likely 100 years away from the technology"
Me: *calculating my age + a hundred years*
I like how the drawings don't have a defined contour, making them difficult to distinct from the background, so that you immedesimate with the fact that we can't really precisely acknoledge how our brain work. Don't know if it was intended or not, but I appreciated it
Haven’t seen the whole episode yet but I already know it’s impossible to upload a brain 🧠 in a way where you live forever in a virtual world because technology is lifeless.
I still agree with the game Soma, and I think even if we could upload our minds, we'd only be creating a digital, mentally identical facsimile of ourselves.
@@Brackets_Guy you're the only one I know of to get the reference.
This honestly would eliminate my fear of death
Let me ask you this. If you follow this same procedure to upload the "soul" of a book, what is the result? Does it really matter how detailed you get with your instruments of observation? Or is the soul of the book something intangible existing beyond the material of the pages and the chemical makeup of the ink?
_HOW CLOSE ARE WE TO UPLOAD IN OUR MINDS?_
*Me:* The machination of minds are an enigma.
No-cloning principle: hey you forgot me.
The patchwork artwork of the brain makes me think of Joseph 's coat of many colours. Joseph could interpret dreams. And dreams are another function of the mind that we don't fully understand. Anyway another great vid from Ted. Loved it.
This guy and kurzgesgt narrator's r just good doesnt hide things for what thy just says it as it is👏
This technology is really cool, no more brain freeze, brain damage, brain seizure... It's just like going from a hard drive to a SSD ! No mechanical moving parts, just bits of 1's and 0's. Amazing!
Who else are here after watching the show Upload
I came looking for a comment like this.
Lol I'm here from the 100
it's just insane how complex human brain is
let alone the whole human body
f**king mind blowing
I think most people forget that you don't suddenly become aware inside the uploaded space after you die, you still die, a COPY of you lives on. Your consciousness still dies
Exactly, but if we could save even a small piece of ourselves, why wouldn't we do that?
@@-neuro What's the point if the real you dies?
@@Ommarrie The point is that you will live on after your physical death. Assuming that you are not conscious and ai is just imitating you then there isnt much of a point but if you could upload the mind with its feelings and thoughts it could be an exact replica and wouldn't be much different from the original "real you". I know that sounds impossible but at some point if it would be possible it would be worth doing in my opinion. Humanity could survive and live on after death, free from worry of sickness and death.
So the phrase "losing my mind" will have a new meaning in the future.
The real answer. Not soon enough.
Tell us why, Harvest 678! Some people in the comments are saying the opposite. We're curious to hear your take!
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I also agree with him that it chould not come soon enough
so I will give you my reason for thinking as such.
The reason uploading are conchness chould not come soon enough is that it will allow us to be immortal in one of 2 way depending upon implementation
WAY 1
Simulation of reality
Throu this method we whould be able to effect the real world affter we die. We chould do this by liveing in a world that is simulated. Similir to the matrix but with the ablity to affect the real world and the knowledge that this is a simulation.
Some examples of what we chould do are
1. Run a company (the meating chould be run by face time or similar method )
2. Teach online classes with VR which whould allow us to give all students a one on one student teacher experience.
3. We chould have them do computer programming.
Ect.
WAY 2
Is that we then have androids download these minds and then we whould get a new body every time we died in essence makeing us immortal it whould also allow us to travel to far places in our universe becase you whould noy age and be able to be put in standbye mode until you got there.
Side note: if I had the choice to burn to death and then gain ether of these forms of immortality I would gladly burn to death.
*I hope it happens during my lifetime. I imagine and/or hope it would be a realistic simulation world similar to the "Upload" or "Good Place" TV shows.*
god help us if it's anything like those shows. lol.
Or like this new show Pantheon
The main question is not the possibility or when will it be accomplished but the question of the soul itself. Who knows that the one who exists in a virtual world is you or just the copy of you? It firstly requires an upload to a computer when you're still alive. And the one who they uploaded could tell his experiences back in the persons body. I think this technology will arrive faster than we can imagine today but the world needs a far more advanced version of it to provide the possibility of a human inside a machine and not just a computer program with the remains who I was.
This makes me feel so good that I'm young, bigger chance of this happening in my lifetime
Hundreds of years away
@@destinyotoibhi9293 Likely thousands
@@-neuro Yup
If you upload a mind, and even if it demonstrates the exact same personality as the original host, you haven't transferred any consciousness, you've just duplicated it.
Exactly. Words have meaning Ted-Ed. Upload was not the correct word.
I think that would be fine. Imagine if we saved Hawking's brain. We would have records of his ideas for further research. You could say that he wrote books and articles but there are still idea that were not included in those articles that might be useful for other research.
@@kimsy405 That would not be fine at all if your intention is to create immortality. Also, replicating Hawking's brain would be extremely immoral because you would be, in effect, creating another life form and it would be in the cloud and it would not have the luxury of having a physical body. The human brain is intended to be connected to some sort of vessel.
The copy would feel like it woke up and probably would be 100% sure that it's us , but we would actually won't.
@DoofusAbsolutely no! Primary consciousness is the ability to integrate observed events with memory to create an awareness of the present and immediate past of the world around us. Responsible for this is our brain neurons. So uploading our minds is uploading the momeries. It's just a copy , but it will be so well done that even itself will thing that it's us. The copy will 'wake up' feeling like us , acting like us etc but from our perspective nothing will happen,we will be dead. The problem is that this would be so well done that the copy itself won't realize that it is a copy witch doesn't leave any chances for developing it ..
The only possibility for us to truly transfer our consciousness and keep existing is if we find a way to transfer our brain as it is and keep it alive on another vessel. We need our brain neurons , our consiousnes is depending on them.
*Link start!*
That's what comes to my mind right now.
If you copy a person's mind and upload it into a virtual world it is still not that person, but a copy of them. Their consciousness would still be in their body. Its like if you copy a word doc and then email it to someone, the original is still there on your PC not affected by changes made to the copy that you emailed.
I HIGHLY DOUBT we will ever be able to transfer our consciousness itself, at least in our lifetime.
A digital copy of me will never be me.
This may be a quote humanity looks back on hundreds or thousands of years from now.
The new series "Upload" have maybe watched your video, cause everything what you said is in the series! Even the fact that your head will burn down!!!!
TED-Ed never disappoints. When thinking about this subject my mind immediately goes to SOMA from Frictional Games. Is not only a good game but it also asks some difficult philosophical questions. If this subject is interesting for you I recommend you pick it up and play it.
The animation and narration just add so much to the enjoyment of the video
I'm here because i'm terrified of dying.
Great video!
Awesome and informative video
Ted ed : How close we are to uploading our minds?
Me : don't we actually exist virtually??
Edit : Let's ask it to Google
i mean if you just recreated someones mind/brain digitally they wouldnt have the same consciousness would they?
I had to scroll a long way to find an actual thinker in the comments instead of a bunch of Ted-Ed fanboys.
If it was perfectly recreated and they had a different consciousness, materialism would be disproven
Thats the first question! What about the perspective of the patient? And his/her consciousness?
I just want the tech that keeps our memories as a backup.
If someone in an extreme case gets amnesia, dementia or even Alzheimer's, we can just upload the memories to retrieve them.
Also I want to be able to remove some embarrassing moments that only I remember
This is why I super love Ted-Ed.
The balancing of pros and cons of a certain topic.
When I see the topic before opening the clip I was thinking about the ethical views. Then there it is. 😂😂
That remind me of Westworld tv series when then try to replicate human brain into server.
The uploaded mind won't be "you", it's just a copy of your thoughts.
Ooooooooh, do souls exist or not? Thats the real question
If yes, then these uploaded Versions are just shells, pretending to be a person
Well your atom on your body isn't the same as 10 or 20 years ago
That would be pretty cool actually. At least, I'd have a like-minded friend then. :D
Just imagine playing online multiplayer games with yourself as a friend. :D
I think "we" dont even exist, conscience is just an ilusion of the braim that makes u think ur "alive" (what does "alive" even mean, we are just quimical components that have the ilusion to be "alive")
@@wehfgyuewaq833 but I think we do exist
really good sound design on this one
Even if it meant I never died, I definitely wouldn’t want to be uploaded
Quantum computing might be needed for this & that technology is decades away from now.
One question I have about the way it works is like... if I upload my mind and we are scientifcly and technicaly able that this mind/brain has a consciousness this consciousness wouldn't be me? With the idea that this mind can interact with the real world, I imagine it like creating a person without a body in the digital world. Still, it would be me in a certain way but it wouldn't be my consciousness because I am still here in the real world. So its not me in a digital form but a whole new person or a kind of mix between real person and AI. An AI that works not just like a human brain but my human brain....
We can work out the practical consequences easily enough, but it's something that people struggle to understand intuitively. It goes against the human concept of the individual self. You can imagine yourself putting on the scan-helmet, and taking it off to find nothing has changed. Or you can imagine putting on the scan helmet, then lifting it up to find yourself standing atop the summit of a mountain in the artificial afterlife. What you can't imagine is both of these happening at once, to two different individuals, both of whom are still the same person who lowered the helmet to their head, but neither of whom are each other any more.
@@vylbird8014 Wow, thats a really good description / explanation :)
Ted is an amazing channel
Woah, VR has evolved!
Last time I was this early humans actually had an organ to think
.....
Oof
A copy of you is not you (to you).