Why didn't Rome Conquer Germania?
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Germans create the HRE
Romans: NOW you want to be Roman? NOW?!
XD It's a bit more complex in fact Germanic tribes often wanted to be part of Rome. But Rome also made mistakes and made the Germans angry.
😂😂😂
Ah yes the Hostage Rescue Team
Also fun fact (not a joke like my other comment), the holy roman empire was a mess, one might see it as a country, but it was all mainly really small countries (or even considered tribes), search the holy roman empire map for images, I assure you that its a mess
@hildebrandgotenland4823 until the german tribes made the rome angry. It's a bit more....complex. Some Germans wants to live with rome, some doesn't want to. Some romans doesn't care if germans aren't from rome and are actually happy to let them live as roman citizens but some Roman politicians wants power and fame so they'll just wage an unnecessary war against any non romans (Germans, Gauls, and even Eastern Empires such as Parthia)
Then after the roman empire fell, Germany nobility be like: let's romanticizes Roman empire
😂😂😂
Roman culture is contagious
@@Ajaylix_history_shorts We're still using Roman methodology is nearly everything we do today...even the way the evils of subjugation via politics is executed...
@@vigilerif you are from the western world, pls dont Talk for the hole Region! In North afrika or Levion they had no influen in anatolia and greeks the same, the greeks, but they had the same culture some how
@@bekirarslan1443 Everyplace the Romans controlled - they had influence (and those places are still influenced today). If you study Roman history and the methods they used, they would kidnap all the sons of the kings they defeated, and then educate those they kidnapped and Romanized them...and often, those educated princes would return to their own lands and that's how Roman culture dominated: in North Africa, in the Levant, in Germany, in Spain...even in Persia. Nearly everywhere where there are roads, aqueducts, even the school systems are designed from the Roman model. The Romans were SO successful that other kingdoms stole Roman methods and still use those methods today. I've lived all throughout Europe, Turkey, Iraq (and Middle East) and saw Romanization EVERYWHERE. Just to show you how foolish you are, here is a list of the hundreds of cities in Turkey that the Romans built, but you say the Romans had no influence?! LOL!!! Now, go study and learn something: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Roman_towns_and_cities_in_Turkey
Byzantium was what was left of Rome, it went east not west. HRE only shares the name and not even most of Italy.
Rome: *still kicking it in the East until 1453.
Some Germans in the 9th century: You know, I'm something of a Roman myself.
Lazy 🥱
They weren’t Romans because they didn’t get permission from tribune Aquila.
@@Vienic2a fellow Historia Civilis fan I see
🤣🤣🤣 best comment
That's exactly the reason why they invented that thing "byzantine" and why they start to say that byzantine were not Romans
Germans BEFORE Rome fell: Let's destroy the hated Roman enemy.
Germans AFTER Rome fell: We love Rome so much, let's be Romans.
Just like the romans of the 5th century had little in common with the romans of the time of Augustus, the same is true for the germanics.
Not quite. They firstly settled in Roman Empire as socii (alies) of Rome
That's bullshit the Germanics simply won from rome and so owned it. Seems like al you roman supporters still cant accept the fact you lost big time.
Guess that’s the reason we cut trees
It becomes hotter
You think that romans 2 thousand years ago cared@@TFSIChristmas
@@Jamal_DanielsIdiots!
@@TFSIChristmasbruh
@@Jamal_Daniels ofc I’d do the same those times. Today, I don’t think so.
The audacity of Germany creating a Holy Roman Empire! Hahahaha
Audacity? It was named Holy, because of the role of the pope and in honor of the church and Roman because Rome was part of it, when it was founded. Yes, the actual city of Rome was included in the HRE. And finally Empire is just a weird translation of the German word „Reich“, which actually translates to Realm. Same with German Empire in 1871, in German it was always called German Realm (Reich), not Empire (Imperium).
@@RundfunkerOnline No it was a Kaiserreich (Empire)
@@junglebogged32 No, I’m German and know the terms. Kaiserreich is a retrospective term and was never the official name of the country. It was always called Deutsches Reich from 1871 on. Kaiserreich was a colloquial term and did not stand automatically for an Empire with colonies, which came later for Germany
@@RundfunkerOnline Wir hatten einen Kaiser also waren wir ein Kaiserreich
@@RundfunkerOnline Es hieß nicht Kaiserreich als Stattsname aber es war EIN KAISERREICH
The trees are speaking German
dont tell me they also made a tunnel underground
@@Attrishnait might seem crazy what im about to say
Trees have funny mustache
Basically if the Roman’s didn’t conquer it it was because it was not worth it
Not entirely. There simply were no towns and infrastructure to controll the area properly, so it was a constant forest guerillia war. All great powers lost to guerillia tactics.
@@hildebrandgotenland4823Yh but that also proves it wasn’t really worth it. There’s no towns or infrastructure so you can’t definitively beat them and even if you could, it will take years and there’s not really any great taxes or plunder to reap from the region to recoup the losses afterwards.
Much easier to use the convenient large rivers to border the crazy shit covered barbarians in and go and subjugate another wealthy Eastern kingdom. Also since we’re in the area might as well recruit a few thousand cavalry for the auxiliaries to take to Asia.
@@dylanmorgan2752 True, but "crazy shit covered barbarians" is neither true, nor shows that you have any objective or advanced historical knowledge. These "barbarians" had cleaning tools, even for their ears and did wash themselves just as any other people. So you shouldn't use such pejorative descriptions.
They didn't need to conquer all of it. They just needed to reach the Rhine.
@@hildebrandgotenland4823 It was comedic use of hyperbole from the stereotypical perspective of a Roman author of the day. To the Roman’s they were simply bearded, smelly, uncivilized brutes with strange gods who like banging drums and blowing horns in the forest. No need to take it seriously or personally. I’m a Celtic Briton and we were represented as long haired spear chuckers who fuck our sisters and live in huts made from poo. There’s a shred of truth in every stereotype but just because I don’t always acknowledge the positives doesn’t mean I’m unaware of their existence.
One of the main reasons was also the infrastructure. In Gallia they could conquer a leader and his small town, which was the center of a tribal area and it was theirs. in Germania however, you didn't have these structures yet. If you defeated a tribe, it wasn't over and guerillia wars as in 9 AD made Rome despair. It was not conquerable.
That and a lot of the resources there weren’t useful or were already in the empire in large quantities
The Germanic tribes had major infrastructure and resources the Romans wanted to exploit. The only difference was that the Germans infrastructure was only exploitable by traversing hundreds of miles of dense swamp forest where the Roman phalanx was incapable of attacking or defending. The Romans inability to develop a new battle strategy is why they could t conquer Germania.
@@thevault5828 So it was a major infrastructure, bit it lacked a certain quality and good overview around it.
This isnt true. Some gallic polities were ruled by olligarchies, some by kings, some by vote of the eldest males of the tribe"republic", etc
*Germanic tribes, German people didn't exist back then
But damn, it's sad how much of the Black Forest and other forests are gone now
Imagine what the forests looked like back then.
@@12Gauge223fr, europe had large forests, but its all almost gone cuz people cut em down. Maybe the size of brazils rainforest who knows
@@StarJes1 I was always think as an immediate afterthought of ancient or even medieval Europeans, the land they inhabited was almost entirely untamed/uncultivated. Their environment was just pure, raw nature.
Maybe a little less so for the medieval period and the Mediterranean however.
Germanic tribes
> German people
I love reading an alternative history author Harry Turtledove who writes about what ifs in history. One of his books focused on Rome NOT having made any of the mistakes against the Germans that they did and they actually integrated their lands into the Roman Empire. In that alternative history Rome extended their borders to eastern Poland and into Ukraine joining with the Crimea area they actually had taken over from the Greeks. This created a much more powerful empire where the ferocity of the German warriors was harnessed into Roman Legions and Rome was able to survive as an empire into the 20th century susscessfully fending off Huns, Mongols Persians and assimilating the Slavs as well. The Roman Empire thus having secured their north and east was able to invade the Arabian peninsula and assimilate the arabs into the empire thus preventing the rise of Islam.
Do you recall what explanation he gave for the empire being able to prevent the spread of Islam? It feels like an odd choice, given how Christianity spread within the empire despite some emperors' best efforts to contain it.
Very interesting, but I’m not sure that’s how it would go down even in a made up, what-if scenario.
if this were really true, the world would be really better
@@rhett3185Well I do not think I was able to represent every nouance that Turtledove presented but he has a PHD in History of the Mediterranean and Roman and Byzantine eras. To my eyes he presented very plausible outcomes. Don't forget though this is fiction.
@@thanassisveggos627 i think itd be more realistic to say if arabian were eventually assimilated within roman empire, it would end up increasing muslim converts in the 600th ad
Rome theoretically conquered Germania. After the humiliation by Arminius, the Romans took revenge and annihilated the Germanic tribes that helped Arminius, but at the end Germanicus retired because of the reasons mentioned on the video
That's not conquering and phyrric victory.
And cherusci wasn’t annihilated
@@vladtheimaplertepes Yes, in the battle of Idistaviso.
@@italianguy1273 That was a phyrric victory.
Hannibal was betrayed by his father in law.
Italian cope at its peak
No they didnt. Germanicus only conquered a small part of Germania. The western part.
Also the Germanic tribes that helped Arminius werent annihilated.
Asterix and ovelix played the most important role
They were gauls bro...
@@sliferskydragon9798
1) dc
2) it was a joke
*Obelix
"Bro just cut off the trees like would anything go wrong?" *teenage mutant ninja turtles intro playing in the background*
You know how many trees in germany that that would take decades upon decades
It's question from the category "Why didn't Rome conquered the universe?" Pretty hilarious on my taste.
Or "why didn't people live everywhere?"
Well, they actually had the chance and the will to conquer Germania, it's the least stupid question in this category.
Meanwhile the mongols: we were on the verge of greatness. We were THIS. CLOSE!
@@theemperorofman1186The British Empire where way closer.
@@jonasmollghin9719 You have to thank technology like firearms and the likes for their empire to expand to that height, alongside THEM[the bri'sh] being the pioneers of the industrial revolution.
The mongol empire existed in an era where *none* of that technology existed, hence, logistics were a nightmare to do so.
The mongol empire was. just. BUILT DIFFERENT.
Not much to rule and tax in Germania and that's the main motivation for Roman conquests.
Everyone knows why they didn’t conquer Germania, it’s cuz they didn’t have enough Diplo points to convert their culture to Roman or Gallic
No not really it would’ve eventually happened under Roman rule, problem was infrastructure and the resources there, their was not enough motivation to conquer it which they’ve could have done, if three legions were annihilated in Britain there would be no Roman Britain most likely
Guerilla warfare’s been a bitch to fight since way back basically.
One of the major reasons the Germanic Tribes (primarily the Visigoths) were able to bring down the Roman empire was because Roman identity had changed significantly around the 4th & 5th centuries AD. I remember reading that half of the Roman legions/army were of Germanic ancestry when Rome fell in 476AD. Many soldiers were sympathetic to the tribes and saw Rome as the oppressor. Many Roman soldiers simply turned their back and allowed the city to be plundered.
Actually one could argue that the germanic identity also changed, while it's true that the sack of Rome in 410 AD was due to the poor management of foederati (federated allies) many germanic tribes at this point were highly Romanized, and more often than not did these barbarian kingdoms expand on Roman grounds due to internal issues in Rome such as civil war (i.e Vandal occupation of Africa) that is not to say the Romans took it lying down however as when they had moments of stability, territory was reclaimed (i.e campaigns of Majorian)
9 A.D. Battle of the Teutoburger Wald (Forest). Where Heerman (Arminius) and the Germanic Ghost Warriors anihilated the 17th, 18th & 19th Roman columns, along with their auxiliaries. Fierce battling over three days & two nights, led to the deaths of 30,000+ Roman soldiers. The Germanic people protected their land from the invader.
Rome suffered much worse defeats in the past, it still had over 60,000 men in Gaul or Italy ready or to enlist more auxiliaries, the Germans liked being Romans but the Romans wanted to Romanize too quickly, they could have reconquered everything and Germanicus was practically doing it again but internal disagreements plus the low value of the territory stopped everything
After teutoburg we defect Germans a lot times for centuries.
You have to study much more then you think
I feel like calling the romans a simple invader and the actions of that traitor as protection leaves out many details.
For one, it is not that germania unilaterally hated the Empire, as seen with factions such as Segesties, and Germanic warriors such as Arminius' brother Flavius, proving to the Empire's policy of adaptation and adoption, Arminius acted in name of germania but not speaking for every German, heck, not even speaking for every member of his own tribe given the fact that he was later assassinated not by Romans but by his own countrymen
Additionally, Roman occupation and dominion would not be a total subjugation as many would be led to believe but rather a slow process of vassalization and romanization, if Germania would look anything like Gallia, then if teutoburg was avoided, things such as infrastructure development and urbanization would have been not just probable but basically ordained
Arminius claims to be loyal to his homecountry and home gods, but I feel like it is failed to be mentioned that the romans did not practice large scale religious pursicutions save for Christianity in its failings to venerate the Roman pantheon in the first few centuries of the empire, the empire would have no qualms in seeing the gods of germania still worshiped. The Romans, contrary to popular belief, didn't force people to surrender their culture, but rather would encorage romanization over many years through things such as military service (of which many germanic warriors would find employment until the end of the western empire) introduction of Roman way of life such as the building of Roman cities, etc.
In conclusion: Arminius delenda est
Herman. bitte
There might be a failed painter there that time also
Calling the romans as subhuman 😂
Germans are always strong
Today they are weak and full of LGBT.
Until they lose, which happens a lot.
@@thomasbravadoRome lost a lot too. The similarity between both of them was that they never gave up.
@@thomasbravadoGermanic peope defeated the Romans. They took over many Roman provinces and even sacked Rome a couple of times
Were.
the germans have always been able to stand their ground and be formidable opponents
Russians kicked down their door. Germans should be thankful for Americans and British because the Russians would probably still rule Germany.
Only with surprise on their side… 1805, 1917/8 & 1944/5 disagree strongly 💥
@@iLovettGolfmust be tough fighting the world huh
@@seansean250 a foolish endeavour, isn’t it?
@@iLovettGolf context is needed lol
The Seminoles traveled to North America later on?
Thank you for my daily dose of thinking about the roman empire
I only think about the holy roman empire
The real reason was it wasn’t worth it. Much of Roman territory was just as hostile with difficult terrain and warlike people, but there was actual economic gain to be had there, unlike in Germania.
this guys great at history. i've learned so much
Someone said, "Rome conquered all areas that were worth conquering." Germania had no cities, only little tribal villages, with an average of 10 huts. Unlike the Celts, they had no economy or gold.
They could have gone back in after Varus's disaster and gone all Julius Ceasar on the Germanians, killing millions and enslaving millions more, but what would they have gained by doing that? Trees...
Completely virgin land to be invested into by building roads, cities and ports. Also a good source of timber on the short term.
They didn't need to conquer all of it anyway, just reach the rhine and chill.
Conquering Germania made more sense than the Brittania.
Romans had the tendency to conquer and advance already existing civilizations they found most intriguing. For instance, the Celts, Gauls, Celtiberians, Carthagenians, especially Greeks, and etc. They lost interest in Germania and Ireland probably because they weren't as united, pretty, or useful to them. Those civilizations helped influence/shape their empire even more than Etruscans. Basically the Etruscans was their first foundation that they liked and borrowed. It's like the equivalent of an artist taking references from several sources in order to shape their style of art.
Not to mention the already existing Greek colonies in Sicily and small pockets of Italy, which is why they had similar Gods/temples
Nah Celts and Germans were same.
Skill issue
@@constantinethecataphract5949 they had all the timber they wanted. Britainia didn't make much sense either - which was why Rome left, but it made more sense than Germania because of the Tin mines in Cornwall and gold mines in Wales - Tin was useful to rome because it was used to make Bronze (Even if Rome was an iron age civilsiation)
@@vladtheimaplertepesHuts? Bu ncj of BACKWARDS😂🇮🇩
In Tacitus' Germania he described Germany as being relatively devoid of natural resources like gold or silver, and also not notably good for growing wheat. So, there was no insensitive for the Romans to conquer Germany.
So why did the Romans try for decades?😂😂😂
Funny that Germany turned out to be a really good place to grow crops.
@@hansmeier3287 The Roman invasion in to Germany took place from 12 BC - AD 16 and Tacitus wrote Germania in 98 AD. my point was that as far as the romans knew Germany was not worth the trouble of conquering.
But the Romans would pay dearly fornot doing so as the Germans eventually were the main enemy force to destroy the Romans!!
Not exactly, it was the Germanic tribes along with the Goths, Huns, and Parthians/Persians(I think). Goths are technically considered Germanic, but they were not actually from what is considered Germania at the time as they migrated from the east to what is now north of Macedonia and Bulgaria.
@@rhett3185Then go ahead and read about the Gothic language. It’s strangely similar to even modern day German. Some people argue like as if Germanic tribes vanished and Germans suddenly appeared out of nowhere
Rome's fall had a LOT to do with Roman corruption, nepotism, favoritism, cronyism... There was so much corruption in Rome that it might as well have just suicided...though technically you are correct, had Rome actually kept its corruption and treasonous people in check: they'd not have fallen as they did. Of course, that's just one opinion...but history books are full of stories of their corruption and traitors...
@@RundfunkerOnline I agree with you, I believe most Europeans are more connected (due to migrating in and out of various hot-spots) than modern historical consensus appears to suggest, that being, we are all very different and separate. the language families themselves hold the key to deciphering the truth of European history imo.
Fun fact: Roman's were freak out of the Germania dense forest. A forest with spirits and monsters and scary stuff😅. Apparently Roman's had cut down almost all their wild forest, so this was a new and unknown environment for them. They did not know how to navigate and how to survive in this environment. Plus what you said. 😅
Friendly reminder that Arminius betrayed those who raised him as a son and in the end lost it all.
Didn't the Varian disaster occer because Arminius requested help? That was the only reason the legions marched, to assist their backstabber
Short answer, they tried. During the time of Augustus Caesar, Germanía was in the process of becoming a province and became somewhat of a province being called germanía magna in the empire. Rome experienced some success even the mixing of German peoples (who at the time where in tribes and the common person did not speak nor understand Roman, there was a communication barrier, there was a cultural barrier as the Roman’s considered the Germanic tribes as barbaric and considered the people barbarians, the word barbarian comes from the Roman’s only hearing bar bar bar among foreigners and foreign languages) there is a famous example the empire actually took in a little boy named arminius, he was taken and adopted at a young age from a Germanic tribe and brought up in Rome, he and his brother served in the military, they served in the campaigns of the east at the time. Arminuis was then stationed in germanía as a way to bridge the divide between Rome and the Germanic tribes, and he led three legions which is roughly around 15,000 soldiers to there death in teutoburg forest which would see Roman legions go in to the forest in three columns getting trapped inside going on a several day ambush that we’d leave almost to no survivors as everyone was literally killed off by the Germanic tribes constantly harassing and ambushing the Roman’s. This would lead to Augustus going into a little depression at the almost near end of his life over the loss of three legions and would print him to realize that Germanía can not be conquered and that Rome could not civilize it. Much of Rome was also based on how profitable a province would be. The empire could only function on if it was constantly gaining recourses from it province and germanía wasn’t with worth the cost of becoming a province. Similar to how Gaul costed alto of money to maintain but provided almost nothing on terms of being profitable to the empire. There have also been stories of the Roman soldiers who had been on campaigns to Germanía under germanicus who saw the bones of there fallen brothers and predecessors and the scattered remains of the three legions (15,000 men) just scattered at tuetoborg, showing the horrific death of the ambush of the Roman soldiers who died. So germanía didn’t become a Roman province as it wasn’t worth it and not deemed necessary to be brought in to the empire considering the loss of life and the loss of a lot of a lot of resources with minimal to no gain.
The real reason though was there was no economic benefit to holding on to Germania, it was just a net loss for them. Better to pull back and go after more civilised and richer parts of the world (Persia)
I always wondered what is the fuss between Romans and Germanic tribes
You explained nicely! Thanks
Professional yapper right here
@@nuno_alex505 people are going to talk about history in the comment section of a history video...
Napoleon couldn't disagree more
Short answer: They were able to conquer Germania once but they were not able to maintain control for multiple reasons (for example the power structure of the tribes were too decentraliced to control them -> a few tribes submit to the empire, some others go into the resistance.
As a ck3 player the roman empire’s mistakes hurt my soul.
Cuz they got that dog in them
"cultural differences". Back then, southern Europe ruled over northern Europe.
Wrong. The Roman and Hellenic languages came from Northern Europe. Culture and civilisation in Europe comes from the Indo-European Aryan strata, which is higher in North Europeans. It’s why North Europe is more advanced.
Northern Europe has been slighlty more advanced only in the last 300 years. And still today Italians and Spanish live 2 years more than Germans on average. Northern Europe is literally the place on Earth with the shortest period of high development. The Egyptian, the Greeks, the Romans were ruling when northern europeans were still hunter-gatherers @BellBeakerBloke
@@BellBeakerBloke lies
@@arishemghoul9571 everything I said was accurate
@@marcoac-sx6lq there’s no such thing as Romans or Greeks without European genes that came from the North
North Europe has been more advanced for 1500 years
Watches the Aflsuitdijk (1925), and Delta Works and smiles
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The 12 Colonies became one massive war economy, and a military draft was enacted-The war is why the colonies became united, at the war’s start each planet had an independent government.
Germania was dirt poor and did not have anything to offer that’s probably the main reason
sad roman fan girl ⬆️
"I fear no man, but that thing, its scares me..."
-Rome about Germans
Is that one of the reasons the deforestation of Sicily happened? It was covered in forests at one point apparently? 😢
Usually you push until you reach natural bariers to end and create a sensible defensive frontier. Romans did have that on Rein river and alpine mountains. Germany is quite open. They would have to reach odra river and sudet mountains which was crazy hard to do. Best example is to see what Hadrian did and tried to do after Trajan conquests.
On the other hand, Germans easily infiltrate Roman territory.
And that triggered the fall of Rome.
Don't say it easy; it took them almost 3 centuries after Varus's disaster to grow and develop into a respectable force that could conquer the Romans.
By the time that happened, Rome was already in lob term struggles versus the Goths, the Huns and in the East.
@davethompson3326
What I've learnt is that, in order to repel the eastern tribes, Rome hired Germans to watchdog their borders.
As time passed, Germans became large portion of the army.
Eventually,the German commander declared the abjugation of the Roman emperor.
That was the last chapter of one of the greatest empire.
Not really true, the inner Roman crisis in the past 150 years triggered and weakened it.
@@davethompson3326The Goths are a germanic tribe.
And then they became the holy romans
No, we remained Germans, but conquered Rome, since 410.
@@hansmeier3287GAYRMANY😁🇮🇩
Germans became culturaly and religiously romans, although the people at the time probably did not identify themselves as german as this was a name that was well known in the roman world. They were franks and if the ancient stories are believed they share common ancestory as the romans.
Rather the nobility cosplaying as romans beccause the pope preffered them over Byzanz and France. The people rather didnt gave a fuck and called themself germans or what ever their region was called.
The Germans didn't have enough gold or valuables to entice the Romans. Same reason they never conquered Ireland or went past Hadrian's wall
They did conquer Germania, several times, it just cost too much to keep it.
Rome would have needed a second caesar with an environment similar to what sprouted the first one. a general with loyal troops and incredible military skill, able to singlehandedly fabricate a claim and execute a multi year strategy to subjugate an entire cultural group just as means of advancing in a meritocratic system to allow for his eventual takeover of said system.
That's it
during the imperial era? Exceptional Roman generals like that would have been assassinated long before they even get ahold of a legion. Unless ofcourse if it's the emperor that the praetorians haven't decided to kill yet.
Germanik could make it.
Probely would had caused an early and a much bigger east imigration of the germanics. The slavs also would had developed much more south or even in western asia parts, beccause the east imigration of the germanics would had been much more brutal.
For reference, the germanics temporarly imigrated a territory simular to the Kaiserreich and a good chunk beyond, for example the goths reached into modern Ukrain.
ooga booga, germans together strong 🦧
„mE rOmaN bE cArEfuL I can’t beat a bunch of tribes 🤓“
@@lucabo1201Barabars😁🇮🇩
Shame how suebi is written so small considering they were by far the largest tribe, reaching basically every corner of "Germania" and almost becoming the name for what we instead call Germanics
The one emperor who seemed to be fairly able to fix part of the problem was Marcus Aurelius. His idea was cut though the area of eastern Europe along the Dneiper and another river between the Black sea and Baltic sea. These two rivers almost meet in approximately the middle of the continent. If he had succeeded, it would have had three effects. It would shorten the frontier of the empire by hundreds of miles. It would have been a far more defensible border along two major rivers. Also, it would have given the empire access to farmland and other natural resources. He failed because he died of a plague that swept through the empire at this time and basically destroyed any chance of anyone doing this.
It was conquered 😂😂😂😂 otherwise it wouldn't ne called Germania😊😊😊
No we just go to writings and evidence from the Roman’s and Greeks mainly because they write most of the stuff down the Germans didn’t, the name also comes from the Gauls giving it to the Germans not Roman’s
No, Rome never conquered the Germans, but ironically the Germans did conquer Rome, multiple times in fact.
Lombardia was the best italy!
@@Ungehorsamactually, post Teutoburg, Rome did conquerer Germania, but failed to have any long term occupation due to the orders of Emperor Tiberius.
Varus, Varus, give me back my legions!
Ah yes, I walk the halls of my small hovel echoing Augustus’s words.
England and Wales: Why u left me🤨
Also Wallachia
The better question would be why would they want to? The land didn’t provide much more than what they already had.
Unlike what most people say, germania wasnt anything barbaric like we imagine.
Ceasar said it himself, but covered it up to continue his war effort. But these days due to the romantinisation of rome, mostly in countrys like Italy, spain and America for some reason, these facts are overshadowered by half washed storys about Victory.
Also, such thinks as the roman revange on the leaders durring Teutoburg overshadow often such facts. Starngely people act like as if this was a Roman victory against all of Germania, while most tribes, even when the romans marched threw their territory, had no clue about what happend over the last years further west. In the end a lot of tribes probely didnt even knew about it until infiltrating major roman citys.
To me its funny how people that love rome that much, judge Otakus in the same breath for the same stuff they do them self.
Just useless area
I watched 3 documentaries last night on the revenge for Teutumberg forests and Germanicus (ironic name lol) almost conquered Germania but was called back in like 16 or 17 ad in favor of going the diplomatic route
In south america, Alonso de Ercilla made a story about Pedro de Valdivia adopting a mapuche kid and training him into the arts of war, this kid now a man, defected to the indigenous side and overwhelmed the crown tercios, slaying Pedro de Valdivia. That kid was Lautaro. Everything was a retelling of the story of the roman general Varus and his prodigy, Arminius (Hermann). A true renaissance man, Alonso de Ercilla rebuilt hispanic history into the topics of the classics.
In the end the Germans where superior in the Grandsheme of things just look at modern Europe😊
This doesn't make sense.
@@henryneubert7798 it does
@@arishemghoul9571 Okay, thanks 👍
Germany is actually way behind in a lot of areas in technology and project management. Their entire public sector is from the Middle Ages.
The Germans were quite funny at the time, they were defeated, massacred, enslaved and forcibly conscripted for centuries, they were superior in nothing, everything they learned they learned From the Romans, there was no currency, there were no written laws, there were huts, there were no roads, they were Primitive, Arminius himself was Roman by education, there is no reason or reason to be proud of that people who were not a people Seeing that there was a tribe and some spanned via the history of the Romans, we can say almost everything and populed Germans coming from Scandivavia or from Asian steps.
We did attempt but someone decide to do le funny stab...also germany wasn't that interesting in term of resource
Ahhaha cope, and nice "we" larper. The Romans are extinct, the great Germanic warriors of the Sciria, Gothia, Vandalia and Lombardia made sure of that.
another part of the reason why Rome didn't conquer Germania was because of Augustus' will that expressed his wishes for the Roman Empire to not expand past its natural borders that had been achieved during pax augusta, which Tiberius, the succeeding emperor, followed through with. When Germanicus was sweeping through Germania for Arminius, and massacreing the germanian tribes, Tiberius ordered him back.
Forests for sure. It is hard to keep the nice square phalanx formation when marching through a forest. A batch of thrown Roman pilum effective in open battle (javelin designed to penetrate a shield hard to remove... making enemy shields useless) ... In a forest however the enemy can duck behind a tree - if they see a swarm of pilum flying through the air in their direction.
I wonder if they would have succeeded in conquering Britain if at that time the English had lived there and not in Germany
Caesar invaded twice, marched around for a few days making noise letting everyone know he was there.. then left
Why did Rome conquer the world?
This guy: just naming all the countries they fought
GOTTA LOVE that Roman stage media... SO effective it both ruined AND outlived them! 🎭
I come from one of the countries that was never conquered by the Romans. They even built two walls to keep my ancestors out, and Emperor Hadrian's wall marked where the Roman Empire ended.
Actually, the Picts and Caladonians were conquered by the Romans under Legatus Agricola, the difference being that Caledonia was never occupied like Gallia or Britannia, due to the lack of incentive. Also at one point, the Antonine wall marked where the Empire ended, at least for a time
Barbarians: “let’s destroy the western Roman Empire!”
Also barbarians: “let’s all now fight for who gets to be the next Roman Empire of the west”
Eastern Roman Empire: (angry Greco-Roman noises)
There was no second Julius Caesar. Without him, the question will be instead "Why didn't Rome fully conquer Gallia?".
Technically, Germanicus, the general leading the campaigns of retribution 12 AD onwards (correct me if I'm wrong) was a Julius Caesar, as in his name was Julius Caesar, full name Germanicus Drussus Julius Caesar (if I'm not mistaken) and he was absolutely successful, if not for the Emperor Tiberius withdrawing from the region, Germania would've been reconquered
Play crusader kings, you'll understand.
They did conquer Germania, twice. The first time they were kicked out. The second time, Germanicus, the father of Caligula were forced to stop due to the jealousy of the emperor Tiberius. So without Tiberius it would have been Roman.
The first bridge over the rhine was built by ceaser to get to a German fella
Well they lost those three legions in that forest because of very stubborn governor who thought he was a good judge of character he was warned and so much more not just that there other factors too
Rome didn’t conquer Germania for the same reason that they didn’t conquer Scotia (known now as Ireland). There was not enough natural resources or wealth in either place to warrant the expense of invasion.
*Hiberia
Good short.
Romans conquered the alps, deserts in Iberia and Africa, but some trees up north were too much
the cultural differences wouldn't be a Problem for rome, we saw that the romans assimilate to their empire different people with differents cultures
Me living in Lombardy, a region named after the Longobards: 🌚
Who's tyranny was fallen by a Roman, or at least Roman according to the pope
@@thomasc9789 huh?
@@carlomontecarlo7881 sorry, got a little passionate there, the empire of Charlemagne, arguably Roman, did defeat the Lombards
@@thomasc9789 uhm Charlemagne was Frankish... I wouldn't say he was a Roman
@@carlomontecarlo7881 while he may have frankish heritage, the pope did sanctify his empire as the continuation of the Western Roman Empire
I’m surprised that they couldn’t break the German Barbarians will but we’re talking about ROME here a nation that has deafeated Carthage Hannibal and more but they can’t even defeat some barbarians I khow the terrain was difficult but still
Terrain is always a huge morale booster. If your forces know the land and have peace of mind they can retreat and regroup easily, it is almost impossible to conquer them. It’s a major reason a lot of barbarians bordering Rome worshipped nature and forests because it protected them in real time unlike Roman Gods who were more abstract and constantly needed priests and sects to tell them how to live. Roman armies retreating was dishonorable and triggered loses in popularity while barbarians retreating was just another Tuesday in their culture that further enhanced trust in their Forests protectors.
Actually they did, the campaigns of Germanicus, revenge for Teutoburg, saw the coalition of Arminius brought to ruin, their lands reduced to ash
For some reason olives determined the territories of the Roman Empire. Anywhere you couldn’t grow olives weren’t as important.
TL:DR - They tried. Ohhh, did they try
And they would've succeeded if Tiberius didn't pull out of the region after Germanicus beat Arminius' little tea party to death
The beginning of Gladiator
Poland:chilling 😎
Germans didn’t enjoy the theater
The Romans went half way up the current Netherlands even beyond making alliances
Germanicus proved Rome could conquer Germania, but it was less about whether they could and more about whether they wanted to. The current border was relatively defensible and the actual benefits of controlling Germania were minimal outside of prestige. In hindsight the move to conquer Germania might have paid off, as controlling the region would mitigate the migratory invasions that occasional sprung from Germania and other eastern regions; however, at the time, while migratory invasions were a pain, they weren’t the existential threats by any means.
They could’ve technically conquered it, but governing and sustaining it was untenable so it was deemed not worth conquering. Only defending against from the Rhine, and for future conquests down the line if it becomes worth invading.
@@rhett3185 eh, Gallia didn’t differ much from Germania, and Rome handled it pretty smoothly. There was a sense of Celto-Germanic identity in times of crisis, but their actual national identity was relatively weak when compared to that of the Latins or Greeks; just like the galls, I’d expect some fierce resistance at first, with a couple Vercingetorix-like figures trying in vain to drive Rome out, but it being ultimately quelled after a couple decades of rule. If Rome can manage to hold Germania for 50 or so years, I believe the province would be relatively easy to maintain. Rome had the potential to expand far past their borders in our time, but the status quo of limited expansion set by Augustus and his immediate successors effectively established a semi-permanent Roman border to maintain.
Barbarians is a great show btw
“People should know when they’re conquered “…..
“Would you Quintus”?
Mongol entered the chat : let me try 😊
Although the Mongol Empire never made it to west Germany (germanai magna) or the Rhine, the Huns absolutely did
What if the Romans did decide to draw all of its focus on the Germanic Tribes? I think the Roman Empire wouldn't have fallen by then.
Rome consistently had more than enough men and resources to take Germannia. Germanicus essentially conquered the region, beating every major tribe that tried to stand against him, and he crippled the region for decades. But the emperor told him the land was worthless. The real reason Rome didn’t own Germannia is that it did not produce enough money replace the amount spent on taking and keeping it. Also the Rhine is a really great border.
I always thought they did and made it into a province of the empire
I think Rome needed a wall.
I was there
Because the cost of gold was more for them to spend then they earn
Rome empire basicly relies on mediteranean sea for transport.
Actually during the punitive campaigns of Germanicus, they used the north sea to transport supplies via the rivers of germania
Not so much forests but swamps.
However Rome did establish puppet states in Germania, Scotland, Balkans, and Scandinavia, meaning that they had a good bit of control and influence in those areas.