Barebow Archery 50 Meter Setup & Tuning | X10's on a Barebow?
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- Опубликовано: 23 мар 2021
- I work towards optimizing the tune on my barebow for a @WorldArcheryTV 50m round. I attempt to tune my barebow setup with the same principals that I use on my olympic style recurve.
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This confirms 2 things for me. Firstly - I will be dead long before I'm an expert archer. Secondly - it's gonna be a real pleasure in the meantime trying to prove myself wrong 💖👍
Welcome to the joys of barebow tuning... You can sometimes find really interesting results. I don't try to understand anymore, I tune to have the bare shafts gouped and leave it there. Right now on my uukha SX+ or XX limbs I have the top of the lower nocking point at -2 millimeters. Maybe it has to do with the arrow rest not enjoying stringwalking. Anyway, it works.
Usually pick up some points just watching your form and technique. Thanks.
Thanks Jake, as usual we learn so much from just seeing and hearing you go through the process. Just got my first ILF bow and loving all the adjustment (can't wait to give string crawling a try), your tuning series is gonna be a must to go back through - glad that even you have horrible flying arrows before tuning!! On a side note we have a coaching session with Ricci Cheah, Coach Lee's Australian prodigé, very cool. Really enjoying the barebow content.
This 50m vid is great info...for guys, now for the ladies set up. Oh Heather...😄
Just remembering a conversation some years ago with an elite target archer when we used to shoot mainly FITAs and Double FITAs. He had a separate set up for each distance, each was specifically tuned and sighted up for each distance, and all he needed to do was fine tune the sight marks depending on weather conditions and if the course was not perfectly level. As long as you state to the tournament judge at the beginning of the competition which set up you are using at each distance, this is permitted. This applies to barebow too.
I used to think archery was simple ... lol thanks for all the effort you put in.
16:42 “don’t judge!” :-))) I thought I’m the only one checking ( and clipping) the nails before shooting
This is a fantastic teaching video! Learning a lot by watching you so keep up the great videos!!
Awesome - 50m is a long way. Looking forward to tuning there. Thanks Jake
I keep learning thank you a lot
always such good content
I have always had trouble with trad type high anchor points. I recently switched to a lower one with my big thumb knuckle behind the point of my jaw. It is rock solid and repeatable. I like it except my crawls got long and my nocking point had to go way up. I'm going to use it for a year and see how it goes.
Great info
I set both limbs with the same tiller for barebow I feel the bow feels and sounds happier and also it's really nice 5m to 70m my crawl is 0 to 3 fingers as I use a glove at 70 I go under my chin roughly finger and a half crawl
You actually can walkback tune a barebow, I did that when I shot barebow and it worked like a charm. You could have a bit of change from distance to distance but it was so small so it didn't make any diffrence at all.
Hi Jake, My penny's worth when it comes to the age ol question can you tune/walk back tune/dowhatever with a barebow. Of course you can pick and discard steps an olympic recurve would demand paying attentin to and also definitely pay more attention to elements an olympic rig would not bother with. But i think the answer should be Do try it, the craziest thing you imagine, give it a go provided you dont compromise safety. What I mean is that even by finding out something is a dead end, you learn. And you have been down a path that made you come back maybe not because you met a brick wall but a locked door. A locked door that months later you have the key to open and try it again. A coach would advice for and against stuff, thats because they have tried it and if you don't have a coach or an expert you have to try it yourself. Also a coach would save time and focus on priority matters based on the athlete, it's his job to dismiss methods practices and tools in favour of the plan in progress... thats my penny's and a few more quarters worth.
Finally saw that 3d printed light/mic cold shoe mount you talked about... nice work! JUST started messing with fusion360 myself... quite the endeavor it seems at the moment, but maybe I will get there. Nice to see you got those x10's flying well. Pretty sweet watching those run on barebow. Thanks for taking us along for the ride on this one!
Need to make an umbrella mount! Haha
@@staglite hi, I am using VAP1 with 38 lbs on the fingers and cannot get point on. What draw weight are you pulling?
@@fabianmac-namara8371 I'm at 40# OTF.
@@staglite Ok, maybe my limb quality or most likely my technique. because I bumped them up to 40 and got down to the high blue at 50 meters to impact the gold. Thanks!
@@JakeKaminskiArchery The foil clad bubble wrap that some food delivery services use is great for sun shields for outdoor electronics. I've seen the brand name Reflectix in hardware stores sold in 2ftx10ft roles ~10$. Not sure if the reflective interior surface would change the lighting on the video equipment too much, although that's what flat black paint is for right.
I happened to shoot 50yrds for the first time in years just yesterday, no tune, western euro trad recurve, just 40$ a dozen ebay special "sp500" 34" arrows. If I were a barn I'd be intimidated by my grouping. Everyone's got to start someplace.
(yea I actually use ~32.5" from knock to rest, I'm not a small man).
Hi Jake, 1. question: Is this right, that a string walker nocking point must be higher from Zero as a mediterran releaser? 2. Because the angle string to arrows rest is for short distances smaller, for wich distance is the best to install the nocking point (the angle string and arrows rest is changing...) 3. I tryied to string walk the Bear Super Mag 48", but I didn't find the right n´point... Thanks for feedback! Michael
Any instinctual shooting methods coming up? I try sting walking, but my Brian not ready to mess with my range finder and messing with the tab when the deer is in front of me. Switching from rifle hunting to recurve hunting this year.. thanks for doing these videos.
Thanks for the video! Which rest are you using actually for barebow? Greetings from Austria 😁
@Jake
I enjoy the way of teaching your wife to do everything herself so that she can also follow this learning process.
Which barebow can you recommend to follow your way of tuning a barebow?
I currently have the Bowtech SS34 but I want to go back a bit to the basics of archery, especially here in Europe they prefer to see you show up with a traditional bow.
Almost all bows are sold online and must be ordered for left handed shooters, also at my professional detailer!
There are so many brands and types in wood and aluminum, such as the Hoyt Handle Satori which riser 17" 19" 21"?
What length and Drawweight of limbs?
and length of the string?
So the right choice of a barebow and how to put it together you haven't shown a youtube video yet, or am I mistaken?
thanks in advance
I try to keep my 50m at split finger. Anything less is string walking. I've never tuned. I just make my set up work for me.
As for anything over 50,... I keep split finger and aim off for 60 and at 70m I stop using the tip of the arrow to aim, but there's a spot between my arrow rest and the shelf... I use that to aim.
Totally appreciate that my system isn't for everyone, but so long as it works for me.
My knowledge is low, my luck is high lol 🇮🇪🏹
Not exactly related to the video, but as I was wrapping up equipment this evening a question popped in my head. Do you find you shoot better cold, shooting in the dark? Let me explain. In instinctual archery, one of the things we do occasionally is shoot at night with only the target lit. I personally don't tend to shoot full sessions like this, but I often will fire an arrow or two before destringing the bow and putting stuff away when evenings come a little earlier than I want them to. I have noticed I shoot an exceptionally high number of 10s this way compared to normal daylight practice....
there will be a 25meter indoor at Luisville, Ky. Do you have a BB tunning for that distance?
Lovre your channel been binge watching all day. I wish you had a basic tuning video as much of what you are doing with your noc point and arrow rigidity/weight is going over my head. but great content in general
I am shooting compound bow finger release without peep, sight. My bow weight is 50-60. Currently I am shooting 1816 aluminium arrow. What is your advice
What bow and limbs do you like ? What drop away rest are you using ?
Jake, First off, thanks for sharing all the info and experience! I have a Border tempest 27" I'd be willing to loan you for a review/test if that interests you.
This may be a stupid question, but in the recurve form series you stressed the importance of putting pressure with your bow hand towards the point you're aiming at, which I as a relative beginner have found to be absolutely crucial in increasing my scores. When aiming at the cut-out target face below the actual target at the shorter distances here, did you push towards it (point of aim) or at the actual center of the target (point of impact)? It might not even make a difference, I'm just curious.
Towards the point of aim to maintain consistency.
How do you compare the MXT-10's to the pair of Uukhas you reviewed? Are Uukhas not something you feel comfortable enough to compete with?
I haven't shot them on a barebow yet, but the particular setup on an olympic style recurve, I wouldn't like it personally. But changing the limb weight and the tiller bolt position would help that uneasy feeling I am seeing. But I don't have another grand laying around to try. I feel like they are too finicky for the general public to guess the best limb position based on the feel they have.... unless their pocket books are deep or have the ability to try them.
I've had the same problem using my cell for video recording. I'm using Victory VAP V1 for 50m. At point on I'm at 2 full marks from the top of my Yost tab. I'm very curious to see how those X10 work out. There a bit pricy for my budget.
not same quality perhaps, but the Skylon Paragon shafts have the same diameter...I was thinkin of trying them for 50m actually
Hi Jake, tell me please why you never use XCurved limbs and highly deflexed risers, like those of Border? Ore Morrison?
I haven’t gotten my hands on a set. That’s all! I am on a limited budget and would LOVE to test and play with more but I am just getting off the ground as far as archery is concerned again.
Of course you can AND in my opinion should walk back tune a barebow too. Especially when you shoot field archery or 3D with different distances.
what riser are you using???
Can you do a Genesis bow for Nasp standards.
Can I ask what your armguard is Jake? I want one because it looks comfortable. I live in a very hot place and the ones available are HOT to wear! Cheers
Where is the best place(s) to get info for archery tournaments in Florida?
Floridaarchery.org is a place to start. Local places like near me have their own schedules (Easton Newberry Complex) posted online.
Your nock point is not really high for a barebow, but try an arrow rest "Super Rest II" and it should go down. That's my case! ;-)
Must be the camera angle then.2.33, looked like higher anchor . Arrow nock at nose.14.15,25.14, arrow nock 1 inch lower that would cause a higher arrow impact.My bad. Love you videos buddy.
Sam, when you crawl different amounts the arrow moves up and down relative to the eye/nose. Look where my had is in relation to my ear and chin when I anchor, you'll see minimal change compared to the arrow position. Good eye though!
what eqipment using
Hi Jake! Would you mind doing me a favour? That gray wall in your office. Could you touch up the white spots when you can spare the time? I don't know how many times I have tried to wipe the dust off my screen. There is none! 😂 Thanks!
Cabinets will be incoming soon, so no more gray wall anyhow! I'll be sure to chip the paint on the cabinet install.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Cool! Looking forward to the new interior. 😉 Thank you so much for all that interesting content. Especially your barebow journey together with your wife. It's so enjoyable!
Yall, im tuning my bow and im stumped. My fletched and bare shafts group nicely at A FOOT RIGHT. Im at 28lb limbs.easton enspire 630, positive tiller, shooting point on, 3 under at 40m. How do I move this grouping left a foot?? Do I move my center shot out a bit? Do I give a bit more poundage and compensate with my plunger? Move my string blur? HALP!
Have you seen this video? ruclips.net/video/dExMIbpqQsE/видео.html the same principals apply to barebow. If you are RH, you would need to back down the bow weight to reduce the over-weakness of the arrow. Other wise, cutting the arrow would help too
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Amazing! Thanks for the response Jake. Your the coolest!
That's large crawl for 50 yards...what poundage are you shooting?
Please do some flat bow vids
Jake...use a clicker with out sights so that your aiming is the same along with the rest of your set up but you'll be able to nail down the draw length .....therefore the initial speed of the arrow will be constant and be able to more accurately caliber your bow and arrows, afterwards you remove the clicker.
You can't use a clicker in barebow
@@mrhoppy_9724 the clicker is just for training to find your proper draw lenght.
@@mrhoppy_9724 the clicker will be used only to provide a steady draw length through out the bow tuning process, with out sights so as to accurately shoot in barebow style and barebow setup of the bow, with barebow process of shooting but with one less variable (arrow speed) that might complicate and confuse or mislead the bow tuning and ending up going round in circles! Afterwards once the bow is tuned the clicker can be removed and the shooter can be (more) confident that he bow is more accurately tuned.
@@mariospericleous8343 if he was gap shooting he could use a clicker but when you are string waking it is not possible when crawling down the string.
@@davidr8309 i see your point!
Why you don't t try to adjust the tension of the magnet? Our experience with this type of rest show, that if the magnet is too strong the bareshafts will land to high. It's only a fake effect, what show that the nocking point is too high!
hola estava viendo el video y parece que le tiras desde18m o 20 m a una diana que deveria estar a 50m en arco desnudo o me equivoco ?
what about the FOC% of the bare shaft (and the feathered arrow), after all, it is clearly larger, which means that with a properly configured knockpoint, it will still fly below the feathered arrow .... maybe you need to compensate for the weight of the back on the bare shaft, for example, with tape? And after adjusting the knockpoint, remove it and look at the stiffness - because the weighting of the knock increases the dynamic stiffness (the arrow bends less) ..
It doesn’t make enough of a difference in my experience.
Hi Jake. I noticed as you moved back in distance you also started to lower your anchor point. Up close your night anchor put your nock right under or almost even with the tip of your nose. As you moved back you anchor dropped almost an inch. Check the vid out and see if you agree. I’m certainly now expert but I do have the same problem. Great stuff.
The anchor doesn’t change, but the crawl (how far away from the nock I pull) does change. This makes the arrow move up and down, this gives me the ability to use the point as a reference to put in the middle of the target constantly.
My 50meter barebow is ambyar😫
What is the FOC on your X10s?
Somewhere in the 13% range I think ~13.2% or so iirc
Jake as a compound archery i dont really care much about bareshaft tuning (Or even paper tuning). Because i still need to mess with my rest after that to get the smallest grouping. I think what you should do is group tuning your fletched arrows to get the smallest group regardless of the bareshaft tuning
Tuning isn’t as important on a compound because you use a release. Finger shooting is completely different
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My target is fixed but it is 150 meter