@@PastorTanner what about all the books we CURRENTLY have? I just upgraded my Logos 10 Silver including all books and features. Do I get to keep thosenif I do NOT subscribe??
I am not sure how happy I am about this. EVERYONE is requiring subscriptions now. That just means more monthly expenses. I'd rather buy what I want and own it. I would much rather subscriptions be offered as an option rather than forced on you to get a product. BTW, I am old school (in my 60s). But thanks for the update.
Yea, no problem, Thomas. Many are torn. However, I currently find the new features to be worth it. Each user may vary. Ending with L10 features and books permanently owned still represents a fantastic value IMO.
@ThomasThornhill subscription fatigue is real. The whole idea is great from the business perspective with a cash cow paradigm. Bit doesn't always work for the consumers getting nickel and dimed to death, especially in current economics.
@davidtaylorjr1985 rent to own? Did I miss something? I know they have a payment plan that might be considered "rent to own." But I didn't see the subscription model as owning anything after the monthly payments stop.
@@RamboPreacher yeah here is what the early access page says: What is a Legacy Fallback License? A Legacy Fallback License allows you to keep offline features when you cancel your subscription after 24 consecutive months. Instead of falling back to a free or previous version of Logos, you'll keep core features from your subscription tier that don't rely on the cloud or AI.
I am with you but I am thinking years down the road when I move to a newer PC with and my OS that does not support Logos 10 what do I do now. Will there be a Logos 11, 12 or 13 Desktop non-subscription version? What will Logos do for those customers who do not want the subscription and have access to their current books, and those that are in parts of the world with no or very limited internet access to take advantage of the AI features? Many unknowns.
@@markouellette788 It sounds like you will always have access to your level of Logos whatever you ended at. All books are owned and features paid for up until that point.
This is why its still important to build a physical library. I love logos but I still read actual books so I'm not entirely depending on a digital platform. We are spoiled with our digital access.
I teach at Moody and we have moved away from requiring Logos and now I see why. Personally, I've been on Logos since L4 (if I recall correctly) so I'm not interested in a subscription model. I have most of what I need so I could make do just fine if I never bought anything else.
I’m glad that there is a final opportunity for people to purchase the outright and permanently owned software. It should be a good option for many users.
Bible Professor and Audio engineer here. Waves audio did something similar last year - must subscribe to get plugins. The backlash was so intense they walked it back and offered their classic pricing model as well as the subscription model. Sounds like Logos is launching with a similar plan with the “must subscribe” caveat. Love logos. I hope this works and doesn’t prohibit people from using the software.
It’s prohibiting me. Perpetual outflow of cash from me to them, in perpetuity. We won’t own anything and we’ll be happy. And Logos is relying on pastors like Tanner here to lead people to them, in return for monetary rewards.
I totally agree.. I have been a user for years and had now decided to upgrade my Logos 10 completely.. all books and features, because I did not want to continue to upgrade... I'm just the average user.. now I'm bummed because over the years I've spent about $2000 on upgrades and books.. where does it stop?
Subscriptions tells me its all about money. I get it as a busniess, doesn't mean i want it as a user. The first 1-3 years are okay, than it just starts to get worse. (Price wise) This has been my experience over the last 8+ years.
My understanding is that once you subscribe for 24 months, you keep the features that you had in those 24 months. So that helps a bit even if you stopped at that point.
According to the EULA, purchasers don't really "own" anything except for the "right" or "license" to use the property. So, with this new monthly subscription plan, I am paying to be reminded every month that I don't really own anything.
I've used Logos ever since version 2 of the software back in the late 1990s. And being an owner of the L10 Full Feature Upgrade with absolutely no interest nor consideration in A.I. features or rented books (and already happy with the library I own which consists of over 6000 books), the only way I would consider paying for a 2 year subscription is if Faithlife announced upfront ALL of the features that will be available that will be kept after subscribing for 2 years. To my knowledge, as of right now, they have not done this, and I'm not going to pay for a 2 year subscription and risk buyer's remorse for what I don't know upfront ALL features that I'll get and be able to keep. That's what was nice about the prior software upgrades. You knew upfront ALL of the features you were getting that you were paying for and keeping. If Faithlife won't do this under the new subscription model, then I will not even consider paying for a subscription at all. Not an option. And again, I have zero interest and zero consideration in rented books and A.I. features that are all part of the subscription.
I think that they have said all features that don't require AI or some ongoing operating costs are the ones you will keep. Not sure, though. Still need some more clarification on this one.
Hey, brother. Thanks for putting this out. If I'm being honest, I'm a bit bitter about this new focus on a subscription model with no option for a perpetual license upgrade, but I think a lot of us "older" users feel this way because of years of significant investment (I'm 48 and have spent tens of thousands of dollars since L6 to accumulate over 20k resources). I just wish that Faithlife wasn't the next proverbial tree to fall in the sub-model forest. While I may not agree with it, it's their company, and they have to thrive or fail by their choices. Logos is a fantastic ministry and Bible study resource, but we must all remember that at the end of the day, it's still a for-profit piece of software made and owned by a for-profit company. I'll wait to form a complete opinion once the pricing and features are in full view, but thank you for offering your insight. Soli Deo Gloria.
This makes perfect sense to me, Beardsman. Fortunately, L10 with the features available in it represents excellent value for the money if one wanted to stop here. We’ll see how the subscription only model works going forward.
I can agree with you as I was born as part of Gen X who tends to own stuff rather than paying for something that is temporary. My personal approach is rather to buy more resources that I can use permanently, than spending money on subscriptions for tools and probably most resources that I already own. However, if you have a need to use these features extensively, it might be worth the while to subscribe. I think subscriptions might appeal to younger generations and maybe this is the target group where logos is hoping to obtain their revenue. 🙂
@@diederickputter2924 agreed. Part of the frustration also stems from the fact that intend to bequeath my Logos library to my son upon my passing (whenever the Lord wills), and I want it to be as complete as possible for him when that happens. It's a huge investment for one man's life. 🙂
Thanks for the update. I'm definitely not happy that they are moving to subscription only but am glad to hear that you can still buy the books outright. If I understand correctly, I still own all of my books ever purchased and as long as I don't need any NEW features, then I still own the software and the included features that I use (in a fully purchased edition prior to Logos 11). Do I understand that correctly? My concern is that even without moving to the subscription model, I wonder how long it will be until the software is no longer maintained. I had to purchase Logos 6 years ago for seminary and although I appreciate the software, I've never upgraded features because I never saw the need based on the upgrade costs. I've just done the free feature set upgrades as they've come and I'm pretty sure I had to do them for functionality of the software.
You are correct, the subscription model only effects the features. The logos "engine" will still be available for everyone and they have said. And the video says it at 6:48
I believe Logos will continue to support bug fixes and basic maintenance on the software regardless of the last purchase iteration you were on. You just won’t get the new features. You should also be allowed to continue buying books. 👍
@@PastorTanner Thanks. I appreciate the reply. I guess as long as the business continues to be in good health, then hopefully they don't decide to stop maintaining the previous versions but I've never seen a software company support old versions forever. They'll likely stop at some point. I hope I'm wrong. Maybe the maintenance isn't very costly and they can continue it for a long time.
@@PreachingforGodsGlory Yes - we will have to wait and see, but it doesn't seem too difficult to me as long as they fold in the 'old' software with the new. It should be relatively trivial for them to 'turn off' features you don't own, while still allowing you to download the latest version. That way, the ongoing maintenance is already covered.
This is really good news. I think that logos is going in a good direction. However, I’m a little concerned that they are aligning to the world, economic forum ““ you will own nothing and be happy“ and so I think that when we look at going to subscription models I understand from the business perspective, but from a perpetuity or a indefinite amount of user case study use, I think that it’s something we should consider once we go down this rabbit hole
Completely understandable. I am happy that we still own all of our books. I am not as concerned about owning future features, as L10 represents a fantastic final ‘perpetual’ product.
My thoughts is that this is going to end up backfiring on them. I do not understand why they didn't just try out both options at the same time. Let those who want to purchase, purchase, let those who want to subscribe, subscribe. A subscription may be a good idea to get younger, newer, "blood" into Logos - those people are more receptive to subscriptions. But I think the majority of us "veterans" would far prefer to purchase. Why couldn't both be options? I think this will come back to bite them as I think people are getting weary of subscriptions. Economically, things don't look like they're going good - and what's the first thing to be cut? Subscriptions. It's one thing so know you really enjoy this program and use it a lot, and save up $XXX to buy it. Maybe even your some family or friends help you buy it as a gift.... and you or them may sacrifice to buy it, knowing it will be a great blessing. This also allows you to become invested in Logos - you've spent a lot of money, why go elsewhere? A subscription creates no loyalty. "Ok, I tried this for a while, let's see what other options there are".
@@PastorTanner I mostly use subscriptions very sparingly... I might subscribe to Prime for a month here or there when it suits me, and the same goes with any streaming service. Subscriptions never build loyalty - they encourage the opposite.
Very dissapointed that Faithlife would even try the Subscription model. I will not be subscribing and i will no longer coninue to do business with LBS(faithlife) if i can avoid it. I know it means i won't be buying new books unless I have to, but out of complete disappointment, i will be boycotting future purhases of books and resources on the logos platform. I hope others will too until Faithlife backs down on this subscription direction they've taken. It may never happen, and that hurts me, but after seeing how the Sub' model has failed users and proffesionals in the creative space (looking at adobe specificaly) I am concerned for the future of LBS altogether. I hope my LBS10 full feature set will not be in any way affected or retroactively nerfed to pressure users into switching.
They have stated that all your previous Logos purchases are yours, including the feature sets. We’ll see what the future holds. Logos customer support has been excellent for me over the years, so I can only hope that will continue.
LOL, the expression on your face to your background shot of a headstone of Logos Version 11 is hilarious! Welp, I won’t be upgrading until I get a Win 11 laptop - my laptop is a 2017 purchase with Win 10. I do love Logos so if I can afford it, I’ll get it. Thank you for your updates, Pastor Tanner.
I am in no way interested in a subscription. Inevitably and unfortunately, L10 and lower will not work with any OS requiring a subscription. I have seen other software companies make the same promise and then change.
They have stated that all versions of Logos will continue to work with bug fixes supported as well. Only the new features will require subscription access.
It's actually good news. For the software, it means that the product is likely to have a long future. And for me personally, it's likely good news, as I've never been in a place where I was ready to slap down 1k in a sitting for this.
@@PastorTanner sure, I get it, but I'm thinking of the 50 to 60% of pastors who serve in churches that barely provide a proper wage. Do I buy food for the fam or pay this month's subscription?
@PastorTanner I understand the great tool that it is. And I get that Logos has to figure out a secure financial model for the future of the company. I just see the subscription model as becoming a difficult choice as subscription prices increase (and they will) and many pastors getting stuck with higher bills.
I hope that many people don’t find themselves in this boat. I have spent thousands of dollars on Logos over the last decade plus. Part of me wonders how much LESS I would have spent if I were simply on a subscription this whole time. Sure, I wouldn’t have ‘owned’ anything, but perhaps I would have saved a lot of money and got all of that value. I hope that the subscription model ends up being a cheaper option for users that need it, not the other way around.
As the transition date draws closer, I feel sad and excluded, since I don’t align with the future that Logos envisions. I’m certainly grateful that I can continue using the resources and features I have, and I will do so. But I wish subscription weren’t the only way forward.
You aren't the only one. Maybe consider the 'legacy license' that they are promoting as a sunk 2 year subscription cost? I will try to release a video soon on this topic.
When I first heard MS was going to do that, I thought it was the craziest idea I ever heard. And trust me. Ive heard some "humdingers". Suddenly EVERYONE got on board. I'm still not sure why. But, as companies tend to fail lately, people are beginning to discover what they've all signed up for. When I subscribed to Logos' subscription plan initially, I did realize what I was getting into. I wasnt thrilled, but, at least I wasnt screwed over every time a new edition of Logos would be shoved on us. Sure, I'm paying every year, but, at the same time, it was "future proofed" without forking over $400. But as Bob said, "Either way, I get their money. Whether its every year, or, every few years." And thats whats bothered me about Logos since 2009.
I'm drawn to the Logos, so this option looks interesting to me. However, I realize that some people might be hesitant about adding yet another subscription.
Currently we can purchase the feature set (all inclusive) as well as the platform/level we desire. (Starter - Collectors) If we currently have all the features offered by Logos will we continue to own both a perpetual license for the version and all the features we previously purchased. Part of my career was spent as a licensing SME working with all IT Licenses (Microsoft, Oracle, etc) Both the Logos Version and feature set could be charged separately. I could have the Bronze Version and still purchased the complete feature set that came with the Gold package separately. Never really been a proponent of the subscription model since Microsoft started offering it in the early 2000's. It is a great annuity stream for the Vendor not so good for the end user/consumer. This has been such an awesome tool. Hopefully Logos, which I have been using for over a decade will be able to put out a comparative document showing how this type of licensing compares to the perpetual license and why it is as good, and hopefully better than the current licensing methodology. This should be a win for both the customer and Logos.
Great thoughts. Indeed the feature sets and libraries currently can be purchased separately. They did include feature sets in some of the L10 libraries, which I think has led to quite a bit of confusion. I’m glad they are bringing split off from each other. I’m not so glad that the subscription is the required model, but depending on the price, I still find it to be very much worth it.
@@PastorTanner One of my points is that the current perpetual licensing model is if you buy a Bronze platform you will get a subset of the total feature set. When L10 was released if you purchased the Gold platform you received all the features including the print library. With each platform/level you purchased you were granted certain features. So that means you paid for a perpetual license of the features. So, the question I have is will Logos 10 users who currently have 100% of the features that are not a part of the subscription (AI) still be able to use all of those features going forward? I believe the answer is yes, but would appreciate your answer as you understand it.
The answer is absolutely yes. Whatever perpetual L10 features you have paid for and own will continue to be yours in perpetuity even if you don’t subscribe.
Bye, bye Logos..I use to subscribe to Adobe but got tired of paying so what did I do? I seeke out alternative software and I found it..DaVinci resolve for Videos Affinity photoshop and Neo for photos..
I'm definitely against having a subscription and always own whatever I can, although I appreciate the business pressures that led to their decision. Haven't watched the whole video yet, so you may have covered this, will catch up properly later, but my main concern is around what happens to Logos 10 features going forward. Logos appear to be saying that there will be an opportunity to purchase the Logos 10 full feature set when the new subscription comes out. However, while I would love to get more L10 features, there is no way I could afford a full feature set upgrade in one go. I would much rather be able to continue upgrading L10 features, as and when I can afford it, and not worry about going to L11. And I imagine there will be plenty of others in the same boat as me. Will they continue to allow us to purchase lower level "legacy" (i.e. Logos 10) feature sets, after the subscription model comes into force, or will it be "all or nothing" for a limited period of time?
I think it is 'forced' in the limited time. What I would recommend you do if it is possible is to get the Gold feature set during the last chance sale and put it on a payment plan. That will ensure that you are able to get the last perpetual iteration of Logos but still stretch the payments out. I hope you are able to find a solution that works for you.
You see what I'm saying? In park, it's like, "It doesn't matter that this particular person bought this particular product or this particular set of products to meet this particular need, or who they are as an individual person, and what that says, because we have the revenue stream, and we can just give them access to everything, so we don't have to think about who that person is as an individual anymore. We don't need to let them choose what they want to use our take command of it, let them express themselves and working that way, because they don't need to connect with people as themselves in order to make use of this. They just need to be here." It's like I'm a temp looking for a grab-and-go kit.
As a total newcomer who has just bought L10 Fundamentals, will this impact my access to anything I have just bought? Or, is it more that going forwards I would have to subscribe for any new content I add on?
I can understand and appreciate the fact that software costs money to maintain. The question is how much the subscription costs; is there a large upfront cost followed by a lower monthly or yearly cost? Laridian, for instance, has a $5 yearly subscription fee for the advanced features in iOS and Android. If the object is to ensure continued support and expansion of the product as well as ensuring it works on multiple platforms, ok, but if I am away from the internet for a couple years will by LOGOS 11 still work after the first couple months of not signing in? Maybe I missed it in the video but what is the cost monthly, yearly, upfront, and so forth?
I have Logos 10 basic but have the FaithLife subscription. I don't need more resources so I think I will just buy the Full Features upgrade and see where that lands me. I never bought any of the base packages because they have so many resources I don't want. I buy the commentaries I want when they go on sale. So I think this will serve my needs.
Yes, this is a very good approach. Full feature set future proofs you in case you don’t want to subscribe, but also sets you up for success in case you do like any of the subscription offerings.
It's like it doesn't matter whether people have time to build their own library or not, as if that's not a concept that's sufficiently important to protect to justify ensuring its realization and maintenance, but I guess the only way for something like this to be able to function in the midst of all this is to fix it so it can plug into everything else.
A reasonable position, Trent. I will start off with the subscription for sure, but we shall see how things develop. At the moment I find the features to be worth it.
Hey there Pastor Tanner, could you potentially explain even if brief something for me. If you’re someone like me who has Reformed Bronze as a lay leader occasionally preaching with intention to enter full time ministry/seminary eventually, would you say it’s worth it to upgrade to gold and get full feature set or save the 600$ and continue to buy resources as needed/desired? Just figured I’d ask I’m not sure if someone asked something similar so I apologize for the repetition if so. Blessings, Ben
Great question. I think it depends on how sure you are about your future needs. IF you potential needs are variable, I’d get the full feature set in the Last Chance Sale, that way you permanently own the best product they’ve have available without the need for a subscription. If instead you plan to have a Logos Subscription for an extended period of time in the future for a variety of reasons, I would probably save your money for the subscription or to add on future resources. The subscription model helps the new users and users with limited resources MORE than the existing users. I happen to think it still contains plenty of value for existing users as well, but this is at least a small argument in favor of delaying purchases as long as you plan on being a subscriber.
I have over 24,000 books on Logos, including logos 10 collector’s edition. I know I get to keep my books, but do I have to pay a subscription fee to access them?
@@PastorTannerwhat happens when logos 10 is no longer compatible with current windows/Mac OS? It seems to continue with our current functionality we will have to move to a subscription.
@@garyjames-ij4fr My understanding is that L10 will continue to have a recent UI that is compatible with the current version. So you will be able to download the latest 'engine' if you will, but it won't have any of the features unlocked.
@@PastorTanner I heard that the current Logos whatever version will continue to get updates and some feature updates (no AI). Still very unclear and I think they are still figuring this all out. Just not getting a consistent answer.
Yes, many wish they could own forever. At least with some final L10 purchase, you could lock that in. And of course, books are still on this model ‘owned for life.’
I'm new to Logos and was planning to purchase when I found your video. I don't mind a subscription if it's affordable and includes things I'd use. But I don't get what the "features" are that you mention in L10 or the subscription model. And I'm curious: Would it be better to grab one of the packages BEFORE the subscription model kicks in? Would that give me the best value for the buck even if I pay for the subscription? Or will it be about the same??
There are a few reasons you might want to buy into Logos 10 before the subscription model launches. The primary one being that if you want to use the last version of the software that doesn’t require a perpetual subscription, my understanding is that you need to purchase it now. IF you like a certain ‘base package’ more than what is potentially going to be offered in the next iteration you might want to purchase it now. If you don’t mind the subscription, you probably want to wait, as you will get a decent library included and will have minimal ‘double dipping.’
I bought the Logos Scholar's Edition in seminary 20 years ago. I added on several libraries over the years, but, while I keep access to all of those books, I've seen the functionality of the software decline - especially with the language tools. I spent a lot of money up front on the software, and I hate that I have to continue to spend even more money to keep the same functionality. I'm on Logos 9 now and refuse to spend more money to upgrade to a new version. I'm praying I won't have to spend more money when I upgrade my computer this fall.
I don’t believe there is any intention to make you keep spending money for the same functionality. If functionality were equated to features, time and again we have seen that the same functionality is available without spending any additional money. I myself haven’t seen any of the functionality decrease since I started investing in the software.
They want us to pay for using the software every month. At some point, people have enough books, so this way they get monthly cash flow, but not sure about the benefit for the customer.
Yes, under the old model many of us cease to be ‘paying customers’ into the future. However, the advantage to the existing user lies in the more frequent updates to features, rather than waiting every couple of years. I guess the real question is related to value of features or value of books.
I've been so blessed by Logos over the past 20 years or so. I would, however, like that they try not to be guided by the very Americanised views of end-times and salvation doctrines. How about giving us a balanced view by making it clear that some things are not that clear in scripture?
My only concern is somehow our existing features get tethered with the subscription features. Then when you cease with the subscription model, your feature sets don’t work right and your searches become neutered
@@BatMan-eb2xc But that renting is only with the new subscription libraries is it not? Logos has repeatedly stated that we own our resources and all of our purchased features to date.
You keep all of your current features and books. Subscription is only required if you want to have new features OR want to purchase the new base packages.
So basically in order to get Logos 11 & the sets we have to jump on the subscription train. If I don't do the subscription then I am just stuck where I am at with the features I have with Logos 10 and it's the end of the road with the upgrades? I can still buy books like normal if I understand what you said. I always looked forward to the 2 year mark to see what they were coming out with so that is kind of sad 😔
Yes - they are moving away from that old model. Although they have talked about a 'legacy license' if you subscribe for at least two years. I will try to release a video soon discussing that.
@@PastorTanner Thank you, and please let me ask again: Does the Logos Pro subscription remove the current limitations on AI usage and translation usage?
@@laboratoriodellafede For limitations do you mean the number of uses you have? I believe that there are limited uses of the AI functions for all users, but they try to place the threshold very high. In order to minimize your use you may want to turn off the auto translate and only use it sparingly.
So with this new update we will be able to buy base packages and their permant licenses if we have a subscription. Will we be able to continue buying individual books in the future? I’m a seminary student who uses logos to buy all of books for classes and personal study.
Basically the feature sets are going away as a purchase option. They will be what is behind the subscription. All books you purchase still work the same as a base package or individually. Additionally any feature you have will always be available to you. You just won't be able to get any future features without a subscription.
This is so frustrating. I've paid more for Logos over the years (since Logos 3) than I did for my undergraduate degree. They kept adding levels (i.e. Collectors, etc). For a couple of years I was paying them as much as a car payment monthly, and now this. I currently use Perplexity AI alongside Logos.....I'm going to keep it and let it supplement my Collectors L10 and forget the subscription.
I have Logos 8, I think. I paid a good chunk of change for it and have never upgraded. Hope this doesn't affect my stuff. I've never felt the need to upgrade.
The subscription model is not sustainable, especially when company is doing it and especially in this economy. It was partially the reason I left PC Study Bible.
Hi there. I’m new to Logos so I’m not sure how this works but my question is this: If I purchase a Logos 10 gold package with the full feature set and then bought additional books NOT in the package, will those new books also work as a “full feature”? Hope that makes sense. Thanks so much for your time 😊
Can you help me understand. The full features upgrade will that go sale to purchase separately? I have 9 bronze currently. I am thinking of waiting for the discount for 10
Yes - IF you want the last best version of L10 without every having to subscribe you should get the L10 gold feature set during the last chance sale. If you are planning on subscribing, you don't need to do that.
They are targeting the new features at those original language use cases. So you will see features in Max that make BETTER use of those resources than at the Pro level. If you find your needs are met with the books themselves, you may not need Max at all.
I think the best is definitely to get the L10 full feature set and subscribe at least 24 months for the legacy license. That way you lock in the best price and the best perpetual features that don't require AI. OTHERWISE I'd say just end at L10 full feature set.
This information was revealed in an affiliate webinar. I have good reason to believe that their information is accurate, otherwise I would not have made the video. Hopefully we will all get a public announcement soon.
I'm currently on the Faithlife Connect subscription. I was planning to buy the next version. If I want to avoid this new subscription model, do you recommend I buy 10? I am guessing the Faithlife subscription is going away. I have Faithlife Connect Essentials (3.0) - Annual
Yes, you are correct that they are dissolving Connect. If you are definitively done with Subscriptions you’ll want to buy at least L10 gold feature set in the last chance sale to lock in all of these features permanently for life.
Do you know where I can find more information on this? Has Logos published something on this? I would like to know until when the sale in August will be 😊
About three or four years ago they tried to push people into the subscription model but it resulted in a backlash so they walked it back. I went ahead with the subscription for $100/year. It seemed worth it to me since that averaged out what I would pay every three to four years for an updated version. And I've always had ALL the latest and greatest features. If nothing changes for me I'll be happy.
In the past I have seen them able to combine payment plans. So you might go for a L11 subscription, add another library with it, and consolidate all of it into one payment plan. You might have to contact customer service to do it, though.
I bought Logos 6 and several books along the way. I still have it on a USB. Will I be able to install logos going forward? Will I lose my books? I will never subscribe. I overpaid back in day already.
Years ago when I contacted customer service with these kinds of requests, they were able to set me up with a modern account that had all of these resources on it free of charge (since I’d already paid). You might contact them and see if they still do that.
Where are you finding this information? I was just on a call with a sales rep and a lengthy email thread with support last week and they made it seem like there wasn’t anything planned out yet…
I attended an affiliate webinar on the topic which is where I got all of this information. While I cannot guarantee there won’t be changes, I trust all of the people on that webinar, and the Last Chance sale came out as promised.
@@PastorTanner it’s good to know that they’re figuring things out. I just get suspicious because of how the switch went down from Logos Now to Faithlife Connect… now most of that product launch has been shutdown 🤷🏻♂️
Planning on buying a logos 10 package with full feature set before I start seminary this fall. I have no desire whatsoever to get a subscription, I already have too many. I’m sure it’ll make them more money, but I don’t care for this plan.
Understood, Daniel. I would recommend you get as big an L10 base package as you can then. This should be your best option to ‘future proof’ against the subscription model.
@@PastorTanner Yeah, I think that'll be the plan. I'm currently looking at Logos Academic Premium which is supposed to have the full feature set. Thanks for your videos, they've been super helpful in navigating logos packages!
Yes, my understanding is that the books offer no ‘dynamic pricing’ like you are talking about. However, they are kind of between a rock and a hard place. They can’t do the subscription without a minimal sized library already. Like it or not, they basically said to think of your subscription as for the features and the library is essentially ‘free.’
Lol... Anyway, I love the software already as I have it (5.2b SR-11 [5.2.2.1672]); certainly don't want to pay a never ending fee. Been at least a decade, and I still haven't managed to read all its resources I bought along the way.
Subscription models are neither trustworthy nor good. I'll start transitioning future purchases to print volumes and use Logos until my access gets shut down. Maintaining old software is expensive, so it will get shut down to save costs. I've seen these promises, and seen them broken, by companies before.
@@kainech that is what happened to Adobe Photoshop. A few years after they went subscription they quit updating the software and my photoshop program I had purchased previously quit working altogether so I was screwed. One good thing is that I’m 75 years old so maybe logos will not quit working before the Lord calls me home. So now I am only buying physical books and no new logos purchases.
@@CraigOs49 It pretty much has to go that way. When a company promises a perpetual license on old hardware that requires internet, they either haven't counted the costs or are lying. Software moves on, and when it does, it just gets harder and harder to keep it up. That's part of why Windows is so buggy. I'm younger than you, so I don't want my investment to go away. I'm going to create a VM then disable the internet and clone it when it has all my material and up to date. When Logos requires the internet, I'll just roll back the VM to a copy of the clone. That should legally keep mine available forever.
That is one of the nice things about the books being downloaded. As long as you have a ‘reader’ for the files you can utilize the vast majority of the software ‘offline.’
God forbid that Faith due to circumstances fail to provide updates; is it possible to store owned books on sd card or external hard drive or on a reader tablet like amazon fire for safe keeping.
I believe when you download and install, these files are ALREADY stores locally. This is why you can continue to use the software even without an internet connection. The only thing that would be needed after that is some sort of user created UI. I’m sure enterprising Logos fans would crack the code.
I just bought Lagos 10 starter then bought reformed and I’ve been buying resources now I’m kind of wishing that I would’ve just held out. Not sure I’m gonna be happy with subscription type.
Buying into L10 is the best future proofing against the subscription model, because you ensure that you own the best perpetual version of Logos they ever made.
@@PastorTanner I actually am thinking about upgrading to gold or or platinum for somebody that’s not a teacher and wants the most bang for their buck. What package would you suggest traditional
@@DumbSheep88 Almost all of the standard base packages are very good, but it really boils down to where you want your value to come from. With your given use case, I would definitely get at least a Gold package so you get the full feature set and the highest future discount if you want it. My L10 Gold and Plat buying guides might be of use to you. ruclips.net/video/vjgB-aSiS3E/видео.html ruclips.net/video/3n99X3kOnFo/видео.html I give some of my 'best buys' at the end of each video.
Dismayed at this turn of events. I have tried a subscription to a major software giant but I have stopped my subscription and bought the software of a rival. I haven’t looked back. I wish Faithlife well, but I won’t become a subscriber. I shall use what I have, which is a lot (Reformed Gold + many more additions through the years), but from now on I’ll steadily move my Bible study from Logos to books.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I hope that Logos won’t have these extended issues. They have treated me well over the years, so for now I trust that the good customer service will continue.
@@PastorTanner Same here Pastor Tanner. I really can’t complain. But as mentioned by some people here, more often than not the company would support old tech for a while and then let it go eventually. I don’t have the know how to create a ‘VM’ I think some called it, to extend the functionality of L10 into the far future. So I shall slowly fall back to books until I’m too old to see, get raptured (pre- or posttrib 🤷), die or our Saviour returns-whichever comes first.
We’re considering doing a video on how to ‘backup’ your Logos such that it is extremely likely to work perpetually. There are a variety of ways of doing this. Some easier, some more complicated.
E-Sword and Blue Letter are still free and they do everything I need without a hefty price tag. I was never a logos fanboy, and even less so now. Maybe if 1 Timothy 6:10 is in their app they should go study and pray about greed.
I have used those free programs before and they are sufficient for many people's needs. I get enough value out of the fully digital library and extra features that I find Logos worth it.
e-Sword is awesome. Instead of buying a base package, I'd like to see everyone go donate that money to the e-Sword guy whose been maintaining it and providing it to people all over the world for free. He doesn't even spam you begging for donations.
@@mightyredstallion Amen!!! When I’m copying verses for my Sunday School lesson or a sermon, e-Sword is my go to application. Done by, as you stated, someone that seems only to want people to have access to God’s Word and reference material.
You realize we're getting gypped, right? It sounds like these are three ultimately very costly subscriptions who are so knowledgeable about and committed to this kind of thing that they would only invest in it if they were preaching for a living. The classic, pay-to-own model is in the service of the commited lay scholar, people sufficiently passionate about the word to make it a part of what they do elsewhere. I, too, would rather save up for what I want and build my library to my own specifications based on my own theological interests inclinations. How much is it supposed to pay through the nose every month for this whole gigantic library I'm not going to possibly get to in a span of a month and pay for it every month. There's clearly no substantial image of a lay Bible scholar in play here, nor is there any real support for a range of middle ground. At least, before I could build one. We're supposed to trust them and you're excited? You know theyve robbed us of a real shot before some of us could really get going with it, and it's been the best thing in digital biblical scholarship, and I'm not paying you to lead us on.
I believe that boils down to a matter of pricing. 200-500 books to me does not seem like a 'gigantic library.' I have personally built a library of over ten thousand books over the years utilizing the 'pay to own' model. That option will still be available to people. The subscription is merely for the features they are adding.
@@PastorTanner Renewed Vision is the company that produces the ProPresenter software that many churches use for projection in the sanctuary. They announced a subscription model this week.
I am not rich but I just bought Logos 10 Gold because since it 50% off fits my budget and it will be $807 after I get it paid off. The first month is $50.48 then until next November $50.45. Why doesn't it say Gold under about? It says Software 35.0.520 all Logos 10 feature plus Logos 10 library nothing about Gold etc
@@found.ernest before I bought it I had Pre Logos 6. All I know back in the day I had ebible which ran on Libroinx from Thomas Nelson I had Max Lucado and some other editions along with ebible Premium. Libroinox was Logos name before they changed it. I then brought a starter package or whatever. So it has been that long since I upgraded. I am a lay person. Thjat was back in 2013.
@found.ernest and @RandallLind - The best indicator is whether or not you own the 'full feature set' on their website. Navigate to that product when you are logged in and it should show you.
I wondered the same thing. All the books are there, but they aren't tied down to a set. Gold is just a word you use at checkout to buy a pile of books. The software doesn't know that you overpaid way too much for whatever package deals you opted for. It's just a glorified folder with a clumsy search engine.
@@mightyredstallion In L10 the features are at least tied to the libraries as well (through Gold). However in the future you are correct, libraries are simply a pile of books. We'll have to agree to disagree regarding 'glorified folder with a clumsy search engine.' I own plenty of Kindle books and I wish every single one of them were in Logos instead. It is WAY easier to search and leverage books in Logos than any other program I've used. This is ESPECIALLY true with the new Smart Search.
There sure are a lot of you tube and twitter pastors, profs, etc pushing Logos. I have no doubt you are a person of integrity, but would you in the interest of full disclosure tell us how much you make from Logos? I have never seen an unbiased review of Logos. Your income based to an extent on how much you sell of their product.
I have been a loyal user of the product for over a decade - a LOT longer than I have been an affiliate or had a RUclips channel. I personally think the product is great and it has been solely responsible for reducing my sermon prep time significantly over the years. I receive no payment from Logos. I am not a hired employee and I do not work for them. However, my videos have gained some traction and when people use my affiliate links it earns me a 'commission.' They deposit that commission as 'store credit' into my Logos account monthly. If you take your commission as credit, they double the amount that they give you. Some months I have received nothing as I did not meet minimum thresholds. Most months are $100-$400 depending on how many people used my links those months.
So I have Logos 9 GOLD Reformed. I still get to keep all the stuff I bought and doesn’t affect my current program?
Yes, Shea! All the features that you got with 9 and all of the books are all kept! You will also get to have updates for future bug fixes.
@@PastorTanner what about all the books we CURRENTLY have? I just upgraded my Logos 10 Silver including all books and features. Do I get to keep thosenif I do NOT subscribe??
@@spankey2u Yes - they are yours.
I am not sure how happy I am about this. EVERYONE is requiring subscriptions now. That just means more monthly expenses. I'd rather buy what I want and own it. I would much rather subscriptions be offered as an option rather than forced on you to get a product. BTW, I am old school (in my 60s). But thanks for the update.
Yea, no problem, Thomas. Many are torn. However, I currently find the new features to be worth it. Each user may vary. Ending with L10 features and books permanently owned still represents a fantastic value IMO.
@ThomasThornhill subscription fatigue is real. The whole idea is great from the business perspective with a cash cow paradigm. Bit doesn't always work for the consumers getting nickel and dimed to death, especially in current economics.
It's more like a rent to own. You own the features after 2 years.
@davidtaylorjr1985 rent to own? Did I miss something? I know they have a payment plan that might be considered "rent to own." But I didn't see the subscription model as owning anything after the monthly payments stop.
@@RamboPreacher yeah here is what the early access page says: What is a Legacy Fallback License?
A Legacy Fallback License allows you to keep offline features when you cancel your subscription after 24 consecutive months. Instead of falling back to a free or previous version of Logos, you'll keep core features from your subscription tier that don't rely on the cloud or AI.
I am happy with my current L10 features and not interested in subscription. Will continue to buy books as needed.
This is absolutely a viable path! Thanks for sharing.
I am with you but I am thinking years down the road when I move to a newer PC with and my OS that does not support Logos 10 what do I do now. Will there be a Logos 11, 12 or 13 Desktop non-subscription version? What will Logos do for those customers who do not want the subscription and have access to their current books, and those that are in parts of the world with no or very limited internet access to take advantage of the AI features? Many unknowns.
@@markouellette788 It sounds like you will always have access to your level of Logos whatever you ended at. All books are owned and features paid for up until that point.
This is why its still important to build a physical library. I love logos but I still read actual books so I'm not entirely depending on a digital platform. We are spoiled with our digital access.
I teach at Moody and we have moved away from requiring Logos and now I see why. Personally, I've been on Logos since L4 (if I recall correctly) so I'm not interested in a subscription model. I have most of what I need so I could make do just fine if I never bought anything else.
I’m glad that there is a final opportunity for people to purchase the outright and permanently owned software. It should be a good option for many users.
Bible Professor and Audio engineer here. Waves audio did something similar last year - must subscribe to get plugins. The backlash was so intense they walked it back and offered their classic pricing model as well as the subscription model. Sounds like Logos is launching with a similar plan with the “must subscribe” caveat. Love logos. I hope this works and doesn’t prohibit people from using the software.
It’s prohibiting me. Perpetual outflow of cash from me to them, in perpetuity. We won’t own anything and we’ll be happy. And Logos is relying on pastors like Tanner here to lead people to them, in return for monetary rewards.
Thanks for the insight. At the end of the day I hope as many people as possible can use this amazing tool.
I totally agree.. I have been a user for years and had now decided to upgrade my Logos 10 completely.. all books and features, because I did not want to continue to upgrade... I'm just the average user.. now I'm bummed because over the years I've spent about $2000 on upgrades and books.. where does it stop?
@@spankey2u All of your investment into the perpetual product shields you from needing to get the subscription. To me your $2000 has been well spent.
Subscriptions tells me its all about money. I get it as a busniess, doesn't mean i want it as a user. The first 1-3 years are okay, than it just starts to get worse. (Price wise) This has been my experience over the last 8+ years.
My understanding is that once you subscribe for 24 months, you keep the features that you had in those 24 months. So that helps a bit even if you stopped at that point.
Yep. Unfortunately true
I hope that you can lock in subscription prices for life . . . maybe I am being naively optimistic
@@PastorTanner what makes you think that? Seems very u realistic to me
@@PastorTanner not too likely. I don't think many businesses would guarantee a price for life.
I’ll be that grey old preacher in 30 years still on L10 refusing to pay a monthly fee 😂
Haha! I love it! L10 will always and forever be a great product in my mind.
Me, too, if I'm still alive then. Haha. My only worry is that I'll be on some future version of Windows that isn't compatible with L10.
@@woody5476 Surely we will find a way! :)
According to the EULA, purchasers don't really "own" anything except for the "right" or "license" to use the property. So, with this new monthly subscription plan, I am paying to be reminded every month that I don't really own anything.
You still own your books!
And you'll be happy, and eat bugs. This is straight up kingdom of the anti-Christ nonsense.
@@PastorTannerALL the books that COME WITH and that I PURCHASED separately are mine to continue to use?
@@spankey2u Yes - that is correct. All L10 books and features you purchased are yours in perpetuity even if you don't subscribe.
I've used Logos ever since version 2 of the software back in the late 1990s. And being an owner of the L10 Full Feature Upgrade with absolutely no interest nor consideration in A.I. features or rented books (and already happy with the library I own which consists of over 6000 books), the only way I would consider paying for a 2 year subscription is if Faithlife announced upfront ALL of the features that will be available that will be kept after subscribing for 2 years. To my knowledge, as of right now, they have not done this, and I'm not going to pay for a 2 year subscription and risk buyer's remorse for what I don't know upfront ALL features that I'll get and be able to keep. That's what was nice about the prior software upgrades. You knew upfront ALL of the features you were getting that you were paying for and keeping. If Faithlife won't do this under the new subscription model, then I will not even consider paying for a subscription at all. Not an option. And again, I have zero interest and zero consideration in rented books and A.I. features that are all part of the subscription.
I think that they have said all features that don't require AI or some ongoing operating costs are the ones you will keep. Not sure, though. Still need some more clarification on this one.
Hey, brother. Thanks for putting this out. If I'm being honest, I'm a bit bitter about this new focus on a subscription model with no option for a perpetual license upgrade, but I think a lot of us "older" users feel this way because of years of significant investment (I'm 48 and have spent tens of thousands of dollars since L6 to accumulate over 20k resources). I just wish that Faithlife wasn't the next proverbial tree to fall in the sub-model forest. While I may not agree with it, it's their company, and they have to thrive or fail by their choices. Logos is a fantastic ministry and Bible study resource, but we must all remember that at the end of the day, it's still a for-profit piece of software made and owned by a for-profit company. I'll wait to form a complete opinion once the pricing and features are in full view, but thank you for offering your insight. Soli Deo Gloria.
This makes perfect sense to me, Beardsman. Fortunately, L10 with the features available in it represents excellent value for the money if one wanted to stop here. We’ll see how the subscription only model works going forward.
I can agree with you as I was born as part of Gen X who tends to own stuff rather than paying for something that is temporary. My personal approach is rather to buy more resources that I can use permanently, than spending money on subscriptions for tools and probably most resources that I already own. However, if you have a need to use these features extensively, it might be worth the while to subscribe. I think subscriptions might appeal to younger generations and maybe this is the target group where logos is hoping to obtain their revenue. 🙂
@@diederickputter2924 agreed. Part of the frustration also stems from the fact that intend to bequeath my Logos library to my son upon my passing (whenever the Lord wills), and I want it to be as complete as possible for him when that happens. It's a huge investment for one man's life. 🙂
I just love smart search so much!! :)
I plan on doing this too!!
Thanks for the update. I'm definitely not happy that they are moving to subscription only but am glad to hear that you can still buy the books outright. If I understand correctly, I still own all of my books ever purchased and as long as I don't need any NEW features, then I still own the software and the included features that I use (in a fully purchased edition prior to Logos 11).
Do I understand that correctly?
My concern is that even without moving to the subscription model, I wonder how long it will be until the software is no longer maintained. I had to purchase Logos 6 years ago for seminary and although I appreciate the software, I've never upgraded features because I never saw the need based on the upgrade costs. I've just done the free feature set upgrades as they've come and I'm pretty sure I had to do them for functionality of the software.
You are correct, the subscription model only effects the features. The logos "engine" will still be available for everyone and they have said. And the video says it at 6:48
I believe Logos will continue to support bug fixes and basic maintenance on the software regardless of the last purchase iteration you were on. You just won’t get the new features. You should also be allowed to continue buying books. 👍
@@PastorTanner Thanks. I appreciate the reply. I guess as long as the business continues to be in good health, then hopefully they don't decide to stop maintaining the previous versions but I've never seen a software company support old versions forever. They'll likely stop at some point.
I hope I'm wrong. Maybe the maintenance isn't very costly and they can continue it for a long time.
@@PreachingforGodsGlory Yes - we will have to wait and see, but it doesn't seem too difficult to me as long as they fold in the 'old' software with the new. It should be relatively trivial for them to 'turn off' features you don't own, while still allowing you to download the latest version. That way, the ongoing maintenance is already covered.
This is really good news. I think that logos is going in a good direction. However, I’m a little concerned that they are aligning to the world, economic forum ““ you will own nothing and be happy“ and so I think that when we look at going to subscription models I understand from the business perspective, but from a perpetuity or a indefinite amount of user case study use, I think that it’s something we should consider once we go down this rabbit hole
Completely understandable. I am happy that we still own all of our books. I am not as concerned about owning future features, as L10 represents a fantastic final ‘perpetual’ product.
My thoughts is that this is going to end up backfiring on them. I do not understand why they didn't just try out both options at the same time. Let those who want to purchase, purchase, let those who want to subscribe, subscribe.
A subscription may be a good idea to get younger, newer, "blood" into Logos - those people are more receptive to subscriptions. But I think the majority of us "veterans" would far prefer to purchase. Why couldn't both be options?
I think this will come back to bite them as I think people are getting weary of subscriptions. Economically, things don't look like they're going good - and what's the first thing to be cut? Subscriptions.
It's one thing so know you really enjoy this program and use it a lot, and save up $XXX to buy it. Maybe even your some family or friends help you buy it as a gift.... and you or them may sacrifice to buy it, knowing it will be a great blessing. This also allows you to become invested in Logos - you've spent a lot of money, why go elsewhere?
A subscription creates no loyalty. "Ok, I tried this for a while, let's see what other options there are".
We'll see. I personally love the features, but I suppose that could change. I sure dropped my Netflix and other subscriptions after a time . . .
@@PastorTanner I mostly use subscriptions very sparingly... I might subscribe to Prime for a month here or there when it suits me, and the same goes with any streaming service. Subscriptions never build loyalty - they encourage the opposite.
@@TheDealfinder500 To your point, that has been my own experience as well.
Very dissapointed that Faithlife would even try the Subscription model. I will not be subscribing and i will no longer coninue to do business with LBS(faithlife) if i can avoid it. I know it means i won't be buying new books unless I have to, but out of complete disappointment, i will be boycotting future purhases of books and resources on the logos platform. I hope others will too until Faithlife backs down on this subscription direction they've taken. It may never happen, and that hurts me, but after seeing how the Sub' model has failed users and proffesionals in the creative space (looking at adobe specificaly) I am concerned for the future of LBS altogether. I hope my LBS10 full feature set will not be in any way affected or retroactively nerfed to pressure users into switching.
They have stated that all your previous Logos purchases are yours, including the feature sets. We’ll see what the future holds. Logos customer support has been excellent for me over the years, so I can only hope that will continue.
LOL, the expression on your face to your background shot of a headstone of Logos Version 11 is hilarious! Welp, I won’t be upgrading until I get a Win 11 laptop - my laptop is a 2017 purchase with Win 10. I do love Logos so if I can afford it, I’ll get it. Thank you for your updates, Pastor Tanner.
My pleasure, Katie. I hope you are able to get an upgrade soon, and I’m glad you like the thumbnail! 👍
I am in no way interested in a subscription. Inevitably and unfortunately, L10 and lower will not work with any OS requiring a subscription. I have seen other software companies make the same promise and then change.
They have stated that all versions of Logos will continue to work with bug fixes supported as well. Only the new features will require subscription access.
It's actually good news. For the software, it means that the product is likely to have a long future. And for me personally, it's likely good news, as I've never been in a place where I was ready to slap down 1k in a sitting for this.
Exactly. I think new users are heavily benefitted by the subscription model.
@@PastorTanner key word "new" users
So basically, we will eventually be going back to real books.
I sure hope not! Logos has been a game changer for me!
@@PastorTanner sure, I get it, but I'm thinking of the 50 to 60% of pastors who serve in churches that barely provide a proper wage. Do I buy food for the fam or pay this month's subscription?
@PastorTanner I understand the great tool that it is. And I get that Logos has to figure out a secure financial model for the future of the company. I just see the subscription model as becoming a difficult choice as subscription prices increase (and they will) and many pastors getting stuck with higher bills.
I hope that many people don’t find themselves in this boat. I have spent thousands of dollars on Logos over the last decade plus. Part of me wonders how much LESS I would have spent if I were simply on a subscription this whole time. Sure, I wouldn’t have ‘owned’ anything, but perhaps I would have saved a lot of money and got all of that value.
I hope that the subscription model ends up being a cheaper option for users that need it, not the other way around.
Not sure Logos will make us any better at preaching and teaching.
As the transition date draws closer, I feel sad and excluded, since I don’t align with the future that Logos envisions. I’m certainly grateful that I can continue using the resources and features I have, and I will do so. But I wish subscription weren’t the only way forward.
You aren't the only one. Maybe consider the 'legacy license' that they are promoting as a sunk 2 year subscription cost? I will try to release a video soon on this topic.
Thank you @@PastorTanner!
@@PastorTanner Isn't this obvious for us to ask: What happens then after two years? Surely, LOGOS knows this, right?
When I first heard MS was going to do that, I thought it was the craziest idea I ever heard. And trust me. Ive heard some "humdingers".
Suddenly EVERYONE got on board.
I'm still not sure why. But, as companies tend to fail lately, people are beginning to discover what they've all signed up for.
When I subscribed to Logos' subscription plan initially, I did realize what I was getting into. I wasnt thrilled, but, at least I wasnt screwed over every time a new edition of Logos would be shoved on us. Sure, I'm paying every year, but, at the same time, it was "future proofed" without forking over $400. But as Bob said, "Either way, I get their money. Whether its every year, or, every few years." And thats whats bothered me about Logos since 2009.
@@menemenetekelupharsin3007 More info in my recent video on the fallback license:
ruclips.net/video/Q3ui9UGWoVo/видео.htmlsi=hGpfE7CDLTiGZPh1
I'm drawn to the Logos, so this option looks interesting to me. However, I realize that some people might be hesitant about adding yet another subscription.
Yes - I really do think that the subscription model benefits new users the most!
Well i am glad i waited to get into logos. Now i don't have to consider it. Thanks for the video.
I can understand this perspective. Although, I believe the subscription model benefits new users the most relative to existing users.
Currently we can purchase the feature set (all inclusive) as well as the platform/level we desire. (Starter - Collectors) If we currently have all the features offered by Logos will we continue to own both a perpetual license for the version and all the features we previously purchased. Part of my career was spent as a licensing SME working with all IT Licenses (Microsoft, Oracle, etc) Both the Logos Version and feature set could be charged separately. I could have the Bronze Version and still purchased the complete feature set that came with the Gold package separately. Never really been a proponent of the subscription model since Microsoft started offering it in the early 2000's. It is a great annuity stream for the Vendor not so good for the end user/consumer. This has been such an awesome tool. Hopefully Logos, which I have been using for over a decade will be able to put out a comparative document showing how this type of licensing compares to the perpetual license and why it is as good, and hopefully better than the current licensing methodology. This should be a win for both the customer and Logos.
Great thoughts. Indeed the feature sets and libraries currently can be purchased separately. They did include feature sets in some of the L10 libraries, which I think has led to quite a bit of confusion. I’m glad they are bringing split off from each other. I’m not so glad that the subscription is the required model, but depending on the price, I still find it to be very much worth it.
@@PastorTanner One of my points is that the current perpetual licensing model is if you buy a Bronze platform you will get a subset of the total feature set. When L10 was released if you purchased the Gold platform you received all the features including the print library. With each platform/level you purchased you were granted certain features. So that means you paid for a perpetual license of the features. So, the question I have is will Logos 10 users who currently have 100% of the features that are not a part of the subscription (AI) still be able to use all of those features going forward? I believe the answer is yes, but would appreciate your answer as you understand it.
The answer is absolutely yes. Whatever perpetual L10 features you have paid for and own will continue to be yours in perpetuity even if you don’t subscribe.
Thank you for the info, informative and concise, much appreciated!
My pleasure!
Thank you for bringing a bunch of clarity to the fog!!
I try! Hopefully I can release another video soon, as some new information has come out!
Bye, bye Logos..I use to subscribe to Adobe but got tired of paying so what did I do? I seeke out alternative software and I found it..DaVinci resolve for Videos Affinity photoshop and Neo for photos..
I can understand the sentiment. Fortunately L10 is a great finalized perpetual product.
I'm definitely against having a subscription and always own whatever I can, although I appreciate the business pressures that led to their decision.
Haven't watched the whole video yet, so you may have covered this, will catch up properly later, but my main concern is around what happens to Logos 10 features going forward.
Logos appear to be saying that there will be an opportunity to purchase the Logos 10 full feature set when the new subscription comes out.
However, while I would love to get more L10 features, there is no way I could afford a full feature set upgrade in one go.
I would much rather be able to continue upgrading L10 features, as and when I can afford it, and not worry about going to L11.
And I imagine there will be plenty of others in the same boat as me.
Will they continue to allow us to purchase lower level "legacy" (i.e. Logos 10) feature sets, after the subscription model comes into force, or will it be "all or nothing" for a limited period of time?
I think it is 'forced' in the limited time. What I would recommend you do if it is possible is to get the Gold feature set during the last chance sale and put it on a payment plan. That will ensure that you are able to get the last perpetual iteration of Logos but still stretch the payments out. I hope you are able to find a solution that works for you.
@@PastorTanner Thanks for the recommendation. Good idea about using a payment plan. I’ll have a think about it, between now and then!
You see what I'm saying?
In park, it's like, "It doesn't matter that this particular person bought this particular product or this particular set of products to meet this particular need, or who they are as an individual person, and what that says, because we have the revenue stream, and we can just give them access to everything, so we don't have to think about who that person is as an individual anymore. We don't need to let them choose what they want to use our take command of it, let them express themselves and working that way, because they don't need to connect with people as themselves in order to make use of this. They just need to be here."
It's like I'm a temp looking for a grab-and-go kit.
But it ISN'T access to everything. Not even close. If you want particular depth, you have to go with the library add-ons.
As a total newcomer who has just bought L10 Fundamentals, will this impact my access to anything I have just bought? Or, is it more that going forwards I would have to subscribe for any new content I add on?
The second thing you said. L10 is a great final purchase product to get in on, so if you don’t plan on subscribing, you are in good shape
@@PastorTanner thank you for replying!
I can understand and appreciate the fact that software costs money to maintain. The question is how much the subscription costs; is there a large upfront cost followed by a lower monthly or yearly cost? Laridian, for instance, has a $5 yearly subscription fee for the advanced features in iOS and Android. If the object is to ensure continued support and expansion of the product as well as ensuring it works on multiple platforms, ok, but if I am away from the internet for a couple years will by LOGOS 11 still work after the first couple months of not signing in?
Maybe I missed it in the video but what is the cost monthly, yearly, upfront, and so forth?
I haven't seen finalized costs yet. I'll let you know when they are officially released with another video.
i dont remember the cheapest model. The mid-grade is $100/yr and the premium is $130/yr. Dont know the monthly fees, but, I believe $9/mo $13/mo
I have Logos 10 basic but have the FaithLife subscription. I don't need more resources so I think I will just buy the Full Features upgrade and see where that lands me. I never bought any of the base packages because they have so many resources I don't want. I buy the commentaries I want when they go on sale. So I think this will serve my needs.
Yes, this is a very good approach. Full feature set future proofs you in case you don’t want to subscribe, but also sets you up for success in case you do like any of the subscription offerings.
Thanks for this important update
My pleasure. 👍
It's like it doesn't matter whether people have time to build their own library or not, as if that's not a concept that's sufficiently important to protect to justify ensuring its realization and maintenance, but I guess the only way for something like this to be able to function in the midst of all this is to fix it so it can plug into everything else.
I still think that your desire for this is easily attainable and available even under the new model
Time to pack it up , attend Divine liturgy in your town, stay for coffee hour and talk to the Priest
🤣
Hmmm, I’ll have to dig into this more. I don’t rent software.
A reasonable position, Trent. I will start off with the subscription for sure, but we shall see how things develop. At the moment I find the features to be worth it.
Hey there Pastor Tanner, could you potentially explain even if brief something for me. If you’re someone like me who has Reformed Bronze as a lay leader occasionally preaching with intention to enter full time ministry/seminary eventually, would you say it’s worth it to upgrade to gold and get full feature set or save the 600$ and continue to buy resources as needed/desired? Just figured I’d ask I’m not sure if someone asked something similar so I apologize for the repetition if so.
Blessings,
Ben
Great question. I think it depends on how sure you are about your future needs. IF you potential needs are variable, I’d get the full feature set in the Last Chance Sale, that way you permanently own the best product they’ve have available without the need for a subscription.
If instead you plan to have a Logos Subscription for an extended period of time in the future for a variety of reasons, I would probably save your money for the subscription or to add on future resources.
The subscription model helps the new users and users with limited resources MORE than the existing users. I happen to think it still contains plenty of value for existing users as well, but this is at least a small argument in favor of delaying purchases as long as you plan on being a subscriber.
Really appreciate the help and clarification Pastor!
I have over 24,000 books on Logos, including logos 10 collector’s edition.
I know I get to keep my books, but do I have to pay a subscription fee to access them?
No, your books and the Logos application through which to access them are yours irrespective of whether or not you subscribe.
@@PastorTannerwhat happens when logos 10 is no longer compatible with current windows/Mac OS? It seems to continue with our current functionality we will have to move to a subscription.
@@garyjames-ij4fr you can run it in a virtual machine with the last OS that supports it until the end of time
@@garyjames-ij4fr My understanding is that L10 will continue to have a recent UI that is compatible with the current version. So you will be able to download the latest 'engine' if you will, but it won't have any of the features unlocked.
@@PastorTanner I heard that the current Logos whatever version will continue to get updates and some feature updates (no AI). Still very unclear and I think they are still figuring this all out. Just not getting a consistent answer.
I don’t know how I feel about that. Love the extras they are adding in, but they should allow you to just buy feature sets and own it for life.
Yes, many wish they could own forever. At least with some final L10 purchase, you could lock that in. And of course, books are still on this model ‘owned for life.’
Thanks for all the information.
Not a problem! Happy to help. 👍
I'm new to Logos and was planning to purchase when I found your video. I don't mind a subscription if it's affordable and includes things I'd use. But I don't get what the "features" are that you mention in L10 or the subscription model. And I'm curious: Would it be better to grab one of the packages BEFORE the subscription model kicks in? Would that give me the best value for the buck even if I pay for the subscription? Or will it be about the same??
There are a few reasons you might want to buy into Logos 10 before the subscription model launches. The primary one being that if you want to use the last version of the software that doesn’t require a perpetual subscription, my understanding is that you need to purchase it now.
IF you like a certain ‘base package’ more than what is potentially going to be offered in the next iteration you might want to purchase it now.
If you don’t mind the subscription, you probably want to wait, as you will get a decent library included and will have minimal ‘double dipping.’
I bought the Logos Scholar's Edition in seminary 20 years ago. I added on several libraries over the years, but, while I keep access to all of those books, I've seen the functionality of the software decline - especially with the language tools. I spent a lot of money up front on the software, and I hate that I have to continue to spend even more money to keep the same functionality. I'm on Logos 9 now and refuse to spend more money to upgrade to a new version. I'm praying I won't have to spend more money when I upgrade my computer this fall.
I don’t believe there is any intention to make you keep spending money for the same functionality.
If functionality were equated to features, time and again we have seen that the same functionality is available without spending any additional money. I myself haven’t seen any of the functionality decrease since I started investing in the software.
They want us to pay for using the software every month. At some point, people have enough books, so this way they get monthly cash flow, but not sure about the benefit for the customer.
Yes, under the old model many of us cease to be ‘paying customers’ into the future. However, the advantage to the existing user lies in the more frequent updates to features, rather than waiting every couple of years. I guess the real question is related to value of features or value of books.
The benefit is, "We get to pay Logos" to look at their books, that we neither want, nor can keep.
With this move I'm out , the plus is I wont need Microsoft or Apple machines ever again either . Been on Logos since 2.0.
This is a viable approach. The final Logos offering for full purchase is a very good product.
I've been so blessed by Logos over the past 20 years or so. I would, however, like that they try not to be guided by the very Americanised views of end-times and salvation doctrines. How about giving us a balanced view by making it clear that some things are not that clear in scripture?
I am very open to recognizing different ‘levels’ or ‘tiers’ of doctrine. I think this helps to build a healthy theological understanding.
My only concern is somehow our existing features get tethered with the subscription features. Then when you cease with the subscription model, your feature sets don’t work right and your searches become neutered
I’ve not heard of any such thing, Bryan. Let’s hope they don’t do that.
@@PastorTanner thats the risk taken when we rent
@@BatMan-eb2xc But that renting is only with the new subscription libraries is it not? Logos has repeatedly stated that we own our resources and all of our purchased features to date.
What features will be available in which subscription tier?
Premium has smart search, summarize, and synopsis.
Pro has sermon assistant for application and illustration
Max has translation tool
I have logos reformed bronze and quite a few books, do all of those transfer in, I love LOGOS don't change my world.
You keep all of your current features and books. Subscription is only required if you want to have new features OR want to purchase the new base packages.
So basically in order to get Logos 11 & the sets we have to jump on the subscription train. If I don't do the subscription then I am just stuck where I am at with the features I have with Logos 10 and it's the end of the road with the upgrades? I can still buy books like normal if I understand what you said. I always looked forward to the 2 year mark to see what they were coming out with so that is kind of sad 😔
Yes - they are moving away from that old model. Although they have talked about a 'legacy license' if you subscribe for at least two years. I will try to release a video soon discussing that.
Lets gooooo! So exited!
Me too! :)
Is there any advantage in subscribing to Logos Early Access right now rather than waiting for the official release in the fall?
I don't really believe so, the most important thing is that you get a good L10 feature set so you can get the cheaper Subscription pricing.
@@PastorTanner Thank you, and please let me ask again: Does the Logos Pro subscription remove the current limitations on AI usage and translation usage?
@@laboratoriodellafede For limitations do you mean the number of uses you have? I believe that there are limited uses of the AI functions for all users, but they try to place the threshold very high. In order to minimize your use you may want to turn off the auto translate and only use it sparingly.
I feel like Logos has been taking my money for decades. I’m about done with them.
Fortunately L10 is a great final product.
No; you dont feel like they have.
They HAVE.
@@BatMan-eb2xc I'm still thrilled with my long term purchases with Logos. I HAVE spent far too much money with them, however . . . :)
So with this new update we will be able to buy base packages and their permant licenses if we have a subscription. Will we be able to continue buying individual books in the future? I’m a seminary student who uses logos to buy all of books for classes and personal study.
Yes, individual books in the future is also supported. 👍
Basically the feature sets are going away as a purchase option. They will be what is behind the subscription. All books you purchase still work the same as a base package or individually. Additionally any feature you have will always be available to you. You just won't be able to get any future features without a subscription.
This is so frustrating. I've paid more for Logos over the years (since Logos 3) than I did for my undergraduate degree. They kept adding levels (i.e. Collectors, etc). For a couple of years I was paying them as much as a car payment monthly, and now this. I currently use Perplexity AI alongside Logos.....I'm going to keep it and let it supplement my Collectors L10 and forget the subscription.
Yes - I have spent quite a bit of money over the years building out my Logos library as well!
I have Logos 8, I think. I paid a good chunk of change for it and have never upgraded. Hope this doesn't affect my stuff. I've never felt the need to upgrade.
I won’t affect you in the slightest you can still enjoy L8 and all of the books that you got with it.
The subscription model is not sustainable, especially when company is doing it and especially in this economy. It was partially the reason I left PC Study Bible.
Here's to hoping Logos is in business for many years to come. I love the software.
What it means...subscription money greed like many other companies. Because they put it all in the subscription not just the parts like AI.
This is one potential read of the situation. I trust Logos, so I will be subscribing, and we’ll see what the future holds.
Hi there. I’m new to Logos so I’m not sure how this works but my question is this: If I purchase a Logos 10 gold package with the full feature set and then bought additional books NOT in the package, will those new books also work as a “full feature”? Hope that makes sense. Thanks so much for your time 😊
Yes! The additional books would certainly work with the features. Once you unlock the features, they work with your entire library.
@@PastorTanner Wonderful! That is super helpful and will aid me in my decision. Thank you so much for providing clarification. God Bless. 😊
@@lcazgirl Awesome! Enjoy.
6:15 Even if you buy full features through Gold packages, you still have to do a subscription for features?
Nope - that package already comes with the best feature set.
The "good decision" I'm going to make is to just keep using what I already have for free.
A great option! 👍
What about the pricing? How can we be sure of the value for the money without details on the pricing?
Precisely. We need the pricing to know for sure. Hopefully they will release pricing information soon.
Where can we find this webinar?
It was only released to affiliates. I’m not sure when they’ll put it out publicly.
Can you help me understand. The full features upgrade will that go sale to purchase separately?
I have 9 bronze currently. I am thinking of waiting for the discount for 10
Yes - IF you want the last best version of L10 without every having to subscribe you should get the L10 gold feature set during the last chance sale. If you are planning on subscribing, you don't need to do that.
@@PastorTanner are they on sale ATM ? Or will there be a big sale coming up?
I believe they JUST went live
Were you on the webinar
Yes I was! Great to hear.
I have a lot of original language materials, so in what ways would Max benefit me over Pro?
They are targeting the new features at those original language use cases. So you will see features in Max that make BETTER use of those resources than at the Pro level. If you find your needs are met with the books themselves, you may not need Max at all.
What's the strategy? Skip 1 year, then subscribe 24 months to unlock legacy license to retain those features you have during subscription?
I think the best is definitely to get the L10 full feature set and subscribe at least 24 months for the legacy license. That way you lock in the best price and the best perpetual features that don't require AI.
OTHERWISE I'd say just end at L10 full feature set.
Bro ! Don’t play with my feelings !!! I hope logos 11 comes out this year!! Where’s the video of them announcing it?
This information was revealed in an affiliate webinar. I have good reason to believe that their information is accurate, otherwise I would not have made the video. Hopefully we will all get a public announcement soon.
I'm currently on the Faithlife Connect subscription. I was planning to buy the next version. If I want to avoid this new subscription model, do you recommend I buy 10? I am guessing the Faithlife subscription is going away. I have Faithlife Connect Essentials (3.0) - Annual
Yes, you are correct that they are dissolving Connect. If you are definitively done with Subscriptions you’ll want to buy at least L10 gold feature set in the last chance sale to lock in all of these features permanently for life.
Do you know where I can find more information on this? Has Logos published something on this?
I would like to know until when the sale in August will be 😊
They have not formally announced it, but I may have heard that the sale ends Sep 6th.
approx how MUCH are the subscriptions??
I released this info in this video:
Logos Subscription Pricing Announced!
ruclips.net/video/Q3ui9UGWoVo/видео.html
About three or four years ago they tried to push people into the subscription model but it resulted in a backlash so they walked it back. I went ahead with the subscription for $100/year. It seemed worth it to me since that averaged out what I would pay every three to four years for an updated version. And I've always had ALL the latest and greatest features. If nothing changes for me I'll be happy.
I am hopeful that our net result will be exactly that. I am enjoying the early access features and was a Connect subscriber for years
What if you have payment plan with Logos 10, could I roll over that into my logos 11 purchase?
In the past I have seen them able to combine payment plans. So you might go for a L11 subscription, add another library with it, and consolidate all of it into one payment plan. You might have to contact customer service to do it, though.
Amazing updates
Agreed! I’m very excited for the fall.
I bought Logos 6 and several books along the way. I still have it on a USB. Will I be able to install logos going forward? Will I lose my books? I will never subscribe. I overpaid back in day already.
Years ago when I contacted customer service with these kinds of requests, they were able to set me up with a modern account that had all of these resources on it free of charge (since I’d already paid). You might contact them and see if they still do that.
Where are you finding this information?
I was just on a call with a sales rep and a lengthy email thread with support last week and they made it seem like there wasn’t anything planned out yet…
I attended an affiliate webinar on the topic which is where I got all of this information. While I cannot guarantee there won’t be changes, I trust all of the people on that webinar, and the Last Chance sale came out as promised.
@@PastorTanner it’s good to know that they’re figuring things out.
I just get suspicious because of how the switch went down from Logos Now to Faithlife Connect… now most of that product launch has been shutdown 🤷🏻♂️
Planning on buying a logos 10 package with full feature set before I start seminary this fall. I have no desire whatsoever to get a subscription, I already have too many. I’m sure it’ll make them more money, but I don’t care for this plan.
Understood, Daniel. I would recommend you get as big an L10 base package as you can then. This should be your best option to ‘future proof’ against the subscription model.
@@PastorTanner Yeah, I think that'll be the plan. I'm currently looking at Logos Academic Premium which is supposed to have the full feature set. Thanks for your videos, they've been super helpful in navigating logos packages!
@@danielsanchez9891 My pleasure! Enjoy!
I'm not buying a subscription, another company ready for bankruptcy
How would this affect people still paying off their current package?
I believe you would continue to pay off your current payment plan and if you’d like, you could buy into the new offering at whatever level you’d like.
Is there a video or webinar where this announcement was made?
It was an affiliate webinar. I’m sure they will make all of the info known publicly soon.
If I own books included in the subscription, they should offer a larger discount.
Yes, my understanding is that the books offer no ‘dynamic pricing’ like you are talking about. However, they are kind of between a rock and a hard place. They can’t do the subscription without a minimal sized library already. Like it or not, they basically said to think of your subscription as for the features and the library is essentially ‘free.’
Lol... Anyway, I love the software already as I have it (5.2b SR-11 [5.2.2.1672]); certainly don't want to pay a never ending fee. Been at least a decade, and I still haven't managed to read all its resources I bought along the way.
Yes, we truly have an embarrassment of riches.
When will the monthly prices and discounts be announced 😅.
I don’t know! I’m just as eager to hear about this as you!
Subscriptions better be particularly cheap if they're going to make us enter into that garbage model.
Here’s to hoping!
Are the features I use in L10 suddenly going to go away if I don't subscribe?
Nope! You keep all L10 features if you own them.
Cash cow policy. I was hoping they wouldn't do this. Do we get to keep the software features we own currently?
Yes, you keep all of your features and books. You simply won’t have access to the new features without the subscription.
@@PastorTanner one can only hope.
Subscription models are neither trustworthy nor good. I'll start transitioning future purchases to print volumes and use Logos until my access gets shut down. Maintaining old software is expensive, so it will get shut down to save costs. I've seen these promises, and seen them broken, by companies before.
@@kainech that is what happened to Adobe Photoshop. A few years after they went subscription they quit updating the software and my photoshop program I had purchased previously quit working altogether so I was screwed. One good thing is that I’m 75 years old so maybe logos will not quit working before the Lord calls me home. So now I am only buying physical books and no new logos purchases.
@@CraigOs49 It pretty much has to go that way. When a company promises a perpetual license on old hardware that requires internet, they either haven't counted the costs or are lying. Software moves on, and when it does, it just gets harder and harder to keep it up. That's part of why Windows is so buggy.
I'm younger than you, so I don't want my investment to go away. I'm going to create a VM then disable the internet and clone it when it has all my material and up to date. When Logos requires the internet, I'll just roll back the VM to a copy of the clone. That should legally keep mine available forever.
@@kainechsounds like a good plan!
That is one of the nice things about the books being downloaded. As long as you have a ‘reader’ for the files you can utilize the vast majority of the software ‘offline.’
God forbid that Faith due to circumstances fail to provide updates; is it possible to store owned books on sd card or external hard drive or on a reader tablet like amazon fire for safe keeping.
I believe when you download and install, these files are ALREADY stores locally. This is why you can continue to use the software even without an internet connection. The only thing that would be needed after that is some sort of user created UI. I’m sure enterprising Logos fans would crack the code.
I just bought Lagos 10 starter then bought reformed and I’ve been buying resources now I’m kind of wishing that I would’ve just held out. Not sure I’m gonna be happy with subscription type.
Everything you have will still work without a subscription. You just won't get the new features.
Buying into L10 is the best future proofing against the subscription model, because you ensure that you own the best perpetual version of Logos they ever made.
@@PastorTanner I actually am thinking about upgrading to gold or or platinum for somebody that’s not a teacher and wants the most bang for their buck. What package would you suggest traditional
@@DumbSheep88 Almost all of the standard base packages are very good, but it really boils down to where you want your value to come from. With your given use case, I would definitely get at least a Gold package so you get the full feature set and the highest future discount if you want it. My L10 Gold and Plat buying guides might be of use to you.
ruclips.net/video/vjgB-aSiS3E/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/3n99X3kOnFo/видео.html
I give some of my 'best buys' at the end of each video.
@@PastorTanner thanks for the advice, brother. I went ahead and bought gold standard and then got the MacArthur commentary
Dismayed at this turn of events. I have tried a subscription to a major software giant but I have stopped my subscription and bought the software of a rival. I haven’t looked back.
I wish Faithlife well, but I won’t become a subscriber. I shall use what I have, which is a lot (Reformed Gold + many more additions through the years), but from now on I’ll steadily move my Bible study from Logos to books.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I hope that Logos won’t have these extended issues. They have treated me well over the years, so for now I trust that the good customer service will continue.
@@PastorTanner Same here Pastor Tanner. I really can’t complain. But as mentioned by some people here, more often than not the company would support old tech for a while and then let it go eventually. I don’t have the know how to create a ‘VM’ I think some called it, to extend the functionality of L10 into the far future. So I shall slowly fall back to books until I’m too old to see, get raptured (pre- or posttrib 🤷), die or our Saviour returns-whichever comes first.
We’re considering doing a video on how to ‘backup’ your Logos such that it is extremely likely to work perpetually. There are a variety of ways of doing this. Some easier, some more complicated.
@@PastorTanner YES PLEASE!!
@@jannesfourie2370 I'll add it to the list
Is this like the ESV "Permanant Edition"? LOL!
I hadn’t heard of that one!
why don't you print it on paper ?
It isn't searchable! :)
E-Sword and Blue Letter are still free and they do everything I need without a hefty price tag.
I was never a logos fanboy, and even less so now. Maybe if 1 Timothy 6:10 is in their app they should go study and pray about greed.
I have used those free programs before and they are sufficient for many people's needs. I get enough value out of the fully digital library and extra features that I find Logos worth it.
e-Sword is awesome. Instead of buying a base package, I'd like to see everyone go donate that money to the e-Sword guy whose been maintaining it and providing it to people all over the world for free. He doesn't even spam you begging for donations.
@@mightyredstallion The sounds like quite the worthy endeavor. I'm sure his actions have been a boon for the kingdom.
@@mightyredstallion Amen!!!
When I’m copying verses for my Sunday School lesson or a sermon, e-Sword is my go to application. Done by, as you stated, someone that seems only to want people to have access to God’s Word and reference material.
Has Accordance gone to the subscription model?
Not yet!
I wasn’t aware. Thanks for asking and sharing.
You realize we're getting gypped, right? It sounds like these are three ultimately very costly subscriptions who are so knowledgeable about and committed to this kind of thing that they would only invest in it if they were preaching for a living. The classic, pay-to-own model is in the service of the commited lay scholar, people sufficiently passionate about the word to make it a part of what they do elsewhere. I, too, would rather save up for what I want and build my library to my own specifications based on my own theological interests inclinations. How much is it supposed to pay through the nose every month for this whole gigantic library I'm not going to possibly get to in a span of a month and pay for it every month. There's clearly no substantial image of a lay Bible scholar in play here, nor is there any real support for a range of middle ground. At least, before I could build one. We're supposed to trust them and you're excited? You know theyve robbed us of a real shot before some of us could really get going with it, and it's been the best thing in digital biblical scholarship, and I'm not paying you to lead us on.
I believe that boils down to a matter of pricing. 200-500 books to me does not seem like a 'gigantic library.' I have personally built a library of over ten thousand books over the years utilizing the 'pay to own' model. That option will still be available to people. The subscription is merely for the features they are adding.
Jesus will return soon! ❤
Lord come quickly!
@@PastorTanner As much as my below poverty self has sunk into Logos since 2009, I pray we will get access to this in Heaven. 🤣🤣🤣
What did they offer or pay Tanner to be such a cheerleader?
Nothing! I have been a happy user of the product for over a decade. No shilling here. You will always get my own opinion.
I don't even think most of this affects me. But I'll be moving away from Logos. I couldn't be more against subsription models. Errodes all trust.
Completely understood, Tyler. Good thing we get to keep all of our features and books purchased to date.
Between this and the news out of Renewed Vision yesterday I'm gonna go cry in a hole... haha
What is Renewed Vision? I hadn’t heard of this.
@@PastorTanner The company that makes ProPresenter worship software went completely subscription-based and a price increase as well.
@@PastorTanner Renewed Vision is the company that produces the ProPresenter software that many churches use for projection in the sanctuary. They announced a subscription model this week.
@@michael8469 oh, wow! Well, there you go. :)
The subscription model must perish. It is unjust, and unsustainable in an inflationary economy.
I haven’t been a fan of having too many subscriptions, but Logos Bible Software is one I am happy to have. I use the software nearly every day.
I am not rich but I just bought Logos 10 Gold because since it 50% off fits my budget and it will be $807 after I get it paid off. The first month is $50.48 then until next November $50.45. Why doesn't it say Gold under about? It says Software 35.0.520 all Logos 10 feature plus Logos 10 library nothing about Gold etc
@@RandallLind I had the same thought, there was no indication I had gold.
@@found.ernest before I bought it I had Pre Logos 6. All I know back in the day I had ebible which ran on Libroinx from Thomas Nelson I had Max Lucado and some other editions along with ebible Premium. Libroinox was Logos name before they changed it. I then brought a starter package or whatever. So it has been that long since I upgraded. I am a lay person. Thjat was back in 2013.
@found.ernest and
@RandallLind - The best indicator is whether or not you own the 'full feature set' on their website. Navigate to that product when you are logged in and it should show you.
I wondered the same thing. All the books are there, but they aren't tied down to a set. Gold is just a word you use at checkout to buy a pile of books. The software doesn't know that you overpaid way too much for whatever package deals you opted for. It's just a glorified folder with a clumsy search engine.
@@mightyredstallion In L10 the features are at least tied to the libraries as well (through Gold). However in the future you are correct, libraries are simply a pile of books. We'll have to agree to disagree regarding 'glorified folder with a clumsy search engine.' I own plenty of Kindle books and I wish every single one of them were in Logos instead. It is WAY easier to search and leverage books in Logos than any other program I've used. This is ESPECIALLY true with the new Smart Search.
There sure are a lot of you tube and twitter pastors, profs, etc pushing Logos. I have no doubt you are a person of integrity, but would you in the interest of full disclosure tell us how much you make from Logos? I have never seen an unbiased review of Logos. Your income based to an extent on how much you sell of their product.
I have been a loyal user of the product for over a decade - a LOT longer than I have been an affiliate or had a RUclips channel. I personally think the product is great and it has been solely responsible for reducing my sermon prep time significantly over the years.
I receive no payment from Logos. I am not a hired employee and I do not work for them. However, my videos have gained some traction and when people use my affiliate links it earns me a 'commission.' They deposit that commission as 'store credit' into my Logos account monthly. If you take your commission as credit, they double the amount that they give you. Some months I have received nothing as I did not meet minimum thresholds. Most months are $100-$400 depending on how many people used my links those months.
I know Logos offers $100 for every referral that purchases a base package.
@@mightyredstallion I didn't know that program was still active. Very nice.