The Real Truth Behind the Movie DEVOTION. How Accurate is it Really?
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- Опубликовано: 22 ноя 2022
- Here is a historical analysis of the Movie Devotion. What did they get correct? What did they get wrong? Did this really happen? Watch the FIRST Episode of this Series on How Accurate the Movie Devotion Really Is.
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In spite of the inaccuracies in this historical movie, it's an excellent re-enaction of what happened during this segment of the Korean War. It's a credit to those who played the parts, all hero's in my book. Thanks for this excellent film. I hope there are many more to follow!
They did a great job playing those characters!
I loved the movie and my mother was wondering why I knew so much I am only 14 and I know A LOT about Korea war and ww2 I loved this story
Great to hear DJMike! I distinctly remember being 14 and being able to retail every major Naval Engagement in the Pacific theater in detail. None of my friends cared much for it.
As I tell all my students I teach in my classes, pursue those passions you have! And if one of those passions is Military History, remember you have a community here that enjoys discussing it and learning more! Tally-Ho
That's awesome! I was the same way when I was your age. At 34 I'm still hungry for everything ww1/2/korean war knowledge. Keep it up 👍
It's seldom that I am as consumed by a movie as I was by this one. I've seen it twice and I absolutely LOVE it!
That’s very well done and couldn’t agree more - we history buffs NEED to support this film or it’s exclusively Marvel movies for the next 100 years! One piece of trivia to add - Migs did attack during Jesse and Tom’s Yalu mission however one was shot down by a F9F Panther pilot from VF-31, as documented in the book “Devotion.”
Roger, you are absolutely correct! I am currently producing the next video that is going into depth on the Yalu Bridge Missions. I show how the Mig15s take off from Antung Airbase, climb to 30,000ft and then dive on US strike group. After their dive, they quickly turned back into Chinese territory before fighter coverage could do anything. Every once in a while the F9F Panthers would get lucky like the one you mention from VF-31. A total of 3 Migs were shot down by the Panthers during the Yalu Missions. The scene in the movie where the Migs dive on the corsairs was very accurate, however, the corsairs did not lay chase to the Migs like the movie shows.
Roger... We will never see a war/history film that tells true events..
( I emphasize "true events" ) .......Let's resign ourselves
You're absolutely correct, and it's not just this movie history buffs shouldn't gawk at, but other movies like midway 2019. They add on things in these movies so that audiences enjoy it more, and they still stay true to the story.
also, Tom didnt realize it at first, but he had actually fractured a part of his ribs and spine. he was just so dedicated at the time to try and save Jesse that he didnt even feel it.
I watched it with my dad and grandpa, both pilots. As Glen Powell said, if you liked Maverick, you'll like this movie.
Yes, a great depiction of military aviation!
Knew the story basics before the movie was released, finally got a chance to see it tonight and was pleased at how well the story was treated. One small gripe is I would have preferred to have learned more about Brown and Hudner before they met. Time constraints I know. Anyway I figured the MiG thing wasn't real, but then again I thought the Liz part was also made up. Finally this movie deserved to have wider release and more marketing, this was a story that needed to be told.
I first read about this true story almost 45 years ago in a very fine book, perhaps the best book written about the Korean Conflict, "This Kind Of War" by T. R. Fehrenbach. I was very gratified to hear of the book and the movie, as it was too long in coming. I look forward to seeing it.
I watched a live stream from the Commemorative Air Force tonight about their Corsair that was in this with 20 other actual aircraft.
They said that 95% of the cockpit scenes were actually inside a Corsair.
They used a mock up on a truck for the carrier landing scenes but that was about it for the mock up.
I've definitely got to see this since I'm a huge Corsair lover....
I love how they tried to be as accurate as possible with the movie. It makes it more real and helps us see the real Jesse Brown and Tom Hudnder!
I hate that I’m late in learning about this movie. I don’t see any platforms that it’s streaming but maybe I can check into one of the bases here in San Diego and see if it’s still playing🤔
ruclips.net/video/s6GEJo0uZu4/видео.html I was able to touch 530 at My local airport last summer.
I’m literally pausing this now so I can watch it first. Looks great!
I watched this Movie . It was a wonderful True story. The perspective from the pilots view. Is Real important. Thank yu to all whome has produced this history clearly. 💪
It’s a perspective that does not get told enough!
The question about attacking the bridge isn't the question. Violating a direct order from Hudner is and Brown was too disciplined an aviator to disobey Hudner. The MiG shootdown was totally fictional and no excuse. I could see the MiG disappearing in the clouds or even crash in the mountains rather than be shot down. MiG's had only been in theater for a short period of time. It wasn't necessary. The true story is extraordinary without embellishing it. Like most incredible war movies, Hollywood messes it up for some demographic or to get some star screen time to fulfil a contract, not to mention terrible writers and directors that dominate Hollywood now.
Hurk, you are Correct! The bigger historical matter to question is not the battle but the Violation of Orders. More than messing up how the battle took place, the violation of orders goes more against the Life and values of Jesse Brown than anything. Jesse was the opposite. He loyally followed orders. Before the strike on the Yalu Bridge, he meticulously sketched a map of his target from the briefing so that he could have a reference when on the mission. Nothing was going to prevent him from carrying out his mission and reliably hitting his target. It is unfortunate that the movie messes with this in order to create tension between Jesse and Tom.
The purpose of creating the bridge scene was to not to make Brown look bad for violating an order. The purpose was to portray the falsehood that Brown faced racist backlash over a misstep for which a white aviator would be praised.
Yes, there are inaccuracies but the main theme of the movie is the meaning of "Shipmate".
I absolutely agree!
I loved the film it made me proud to learn about the 1st Black Naval pilot during the Korean War. I also appreciate your honest and impartial analysis of this great movie that all Americans needs to see and remember those great men and women who rarely get the attention it deserves.
Good to a movie about Korea, The Forgotten War!!!!!
Yes!!
The majority of inaccuacies in this movei can be overlooked, because it is just that a movie. The basic story is real and inspirational. The one thing that I really have a complaint about is there is no mention of the outbreak of the Korean War in June of 50. I arrived in Korea 3 days before Iraq invaded Kuwait and that was the only thing we talked about. I am sure that it would have been the same way for those pilots. What was happening and if or when they would redeploy to the combat zone. It is a disservice that the outbreak was not even mentioned. Having said that the movie was well done.
David, you are correct. The book describes the mindset and discussions of the whole squadron right when the war took place. It’s all they talked about. An interesting aspect was that a lot was geared towards potential war with the USSR. Even in preparations for their deployment to the Mediterranean months before Korea erupted, the entire fleet was on edge anticipating war starting with Russia. It’s unfortunate there was not enough time in the movie to capture some of these aspects. 2 hours is already a good length movie.
Does it have the part about the carrier’s marines meeting 18-year old Elizabeth Taylor? That was great and probably should be part of a movie about her.
It does have a part of the scene in Cannes where they meet her, however, the Marines from the book are not in the Movie (Red Parkinsons, Charlie Kline, and Bob Devans). The brief scenes in the movie with marines are just generalized characters, not the ones from the book.
PLS WHEN IS THE CLEAR VERSION COMING OUT?
I think the reason they added the F4U vs Corsair fight is so that to show that there was something like that in the actual war and are trying to show other stories of the war with some inaccuracy to them.
It’s a heartwarming true story and a great movie. The aerial scenes are much better than most movies even the new Top Gun. Can’t wait to read the book.
You can’t go wrong with the book “Devotion” - it had me riveted from page one. And I loved the way Makos followed several of the Marines on the ground at the Chosin so you get who Jesse and Tom are risking their lives to protect.
Yes! I love how he tells the story of some of the marines on the ground. It makes VF-32’s close air support mean so much more!
but the VMA story is also true, there was the captain and the lieutenant going for a reconasaince run (I think) and they were jumped by 2 mig-15s at first, but then more came, their nickname was the Checkerboards (their nose was painted in a checkerboard pattern)
Well done. Thank you.
_Glad_ I took your advice and watched it first, _awesome_ movie! The book is _next_ on my list!
One glaring omission, whether intentional or accidental - during the carrier scenes, where are the barricades? There should be three of them on straight-deck carriers to protect planes forward. And there was no such thing as a bolter on those ships. If a plane's hook misses the wires, it is stopped by the barricades.
Yes, Great Eye Robert. They definitely left this out. In the book, they make note of it because it shows just how dangerous it was for Jesse to take back off after missing the wires when landing on the carrier. People miss this today because standard procedure on angle deck carriers is to take back off when you miss the wire. That was not the case on straight deck carrier because there was hardly enough room to take back off before hitting the safety barricades. If those were not up, the plane would crash into the parked aircraft at the front of the ship.
Jesse almost crashed and killed himself by taking back off after he missed the wire. He almost didn’t clear the barrier. However, if he would have kept going and hit the barrier, he would not have qualified on the Corsair for carrier operations. The decision to take back off was a bold and dangerous one that he thought he was going to be reprehended for, but he wasn’t and it paid off in the end.
I don’t know why they omitted the barrier in the movie. Maybe they thought they couldn’t explain it to the audience or made the scene complicated. Don’t know. But to include it would have made the scene mean more.
Totally right about the lack of barricades, and the impossible bolter. Also, when the squadron was going through carrier qualification, the Corsairs were shown doing straight-in approaches. This was not correct. Because of the difficulty of seeing over the nose, British Corsair pilots in WWII developed the practice of a curved approach, with the plane in a steady left bank, keeping the LSO in sight the whole time. This approach was used by all carrier aircraft, at least until angled decks were available. If someone had watched "Bridges at Toko-Ri" or the hard-to-find "Men of the Fighting Lady" (Van Johnson and Frank Lovejoy), you can see plenty of footage of Panthers on approach.
It’s been a long time since I last drop a tear in a movie. The saddest part is that till today, Jesse body is still not recovered.
He was cremated from napalm
The scene with the Yalu Bridge was so jarring to watch. We have been shown how straight lace Jessy was, how he needed to be smarter and more in control of himself than the other pilots needed to be. But the he breaks off and pulls this cowboy stunt. If the writing team on these Based on true story movies are going to go off script they really need to write scenes that were more believable and military accurate, he would be court marshalled for that stunt, and as a Black man would never be trusted to fly again. Its so jarring and out of place. Later watching the MiG scene I realised that both of these events are the exact same things you would expect Maverick to pull, a dog fight in a canyon and a flagrant breaking of orders to pull off an impossible objective.
It dishonours the memory after all most people are only going to watch the movie and never seek the truth.
I completely agree. Their story is powerful enough. Having Jesse break orders completely goes against the real Jesse Brown. Very little of its depiction of the Yalu Bridge Mission is true. In their desire to draw and shock theater audiences, they almost do the opposite.
Just saw the movie, good work. Even liked the invite by Elizabeth Talor, that was very nice of her.
Ya, although movie critics say those scenes did not add to the artistic story. Us history folks love how they tried to tell the historical story.
hi US Military History what music did you use in this video i love it
I got it from Envato Elements. I have a subscription there that provides me with Royalty Free Music that I can use on RUclips.
STOPPED....I'm reading the book and don't want it spoiled! I would like to see your piece after I read the book and then see the movie, though.
No one is going to mention The Bridges of Toko Ri by Mitchner?
Great Book! And great movie! Some of the best footage of F9F Panthers around!
That was the first movie as a kid that I ever saw where the good guys died. Such a great movie.
Another Korean War aviation movie I like is The Hunters starring Robert Mitchum. About the Air Force F-86 Sabres during the Korean War.
I don't remember the book telling about the insubordination events. Did that really happen?
No, those events did not occur in real life. They were added to drive the relationship between Jesse and Tom in the movie.
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The next question is, what would happen to a Navy pilot if they disobeyed such a direct order.
@@usmilitaryhistory I believe it was done to embellish racism: the fictional account to say that a heroic black man's career would be harmed for an offense more so than a white man.
Just watched it, a very touching and tear jerking story. In the movie, Jessie Brown seemed never fully trusted anyone, even he was gradually opened his thought to Thomas Hudner, but the strong self-defense was never gone. Felt a bit pity.
Yes, we see a little of that in his letters home but there were many times in his biographies we see him being much more open and friendly with his squadron mates. Its hard because the movie is trying to capture the racial tension (which was very very real!!) but in doing that, it doesn't have time to show the bonding and openness Jesse has with the rest of his squadron.
@@usmilitaryhistory Folks who don't hate America constantly being portrayed as the ultimate in evil and uniquely racist. We are certainly do no want to "whitewash" historical racism. The "little that is in his letters" should be dealt with. In your opinion is the primary antagonist in the movie American racism or Communist aggression?
Well about 06:22 I think it's more of an Easter Egg reference to "Top Gun Maverick"; just watch the bar scene in the early part of the movie.
great analysis
I know from reading about Jesse the ending was true in the movie. What I don't understand is why both pilots, Brown & Hudner crash landed their Corsair's instead of bailing out. Did the naval pilots not use parachutes or were taught this in flight school?
Great question. Tried to do some research on that but still don’t have a full answer. In reading the after action reports from the USS Leyte, it seems the preferred way was to try and bring down the aircraft instead of bailing out. Of the 5 aircraft going down from Leyte during the Fall of 1950, only one of them bailed out and parachuted, and he was over water. I will keep searching to see what the procedure was at that time. My guess, based on personal experience of getting into the cockpit of a Corsair, they are not the easiest to get in and out of, probably not better when flying. So that verses wheels up landing, don’t know.
@@usmilitaryhistory a friend is a pilot & in the past flown p51 mustangs. He told me they as well as the Corsair have ditching procedures.
I’m taking it the Navy felt ditching the plane was better, but that might have been because the there was a higher probability of crashing at sea is my guess.
When Brown's plane was hit he may have been too low. Another possibility was that he would be a target while hanging in his chute. Survival, escape and evasion is more likely if you make a controlled belly landing.
@@YThis114 I read a story about them in the EAA magazine. The movie version differs slightly. Jesse in the movie gains altitude & they pick the location for him to land. In the article Tom says Jesse lost oil quickly and went in.
Other things I’ve read is it’s difficult to get out of the Corsair, bailing out wasn’t the preferred method.
@@YThis114 The Corsair doesn’t have ejection seats like current fighter aircraft. A Pilot friend of mine said the procedure to bail out in the P51, which he said is similar with the Corsair was to gain altitude, open the canopy, unbuckle restraints, roll aircraft over 45 degrees, egress. It was taught, yes they could have.
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Awesome, thank you!
I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and would recommend seeing it! Thank You Jessie and Tom for your service!
Yes, we thank Absolutely thank them and all those who served in the Korean War!
I think I read or was told that he was stuck. And his spine hurt and legs crushed into the plane. Sadly I think he died alone painfully that night waiting for help after a storm hit for days… so they couldn’t come back for him. Then 3 days later they destroyed the plane because it was behind enemy lines. Viking funeral. Can’t leave it there like that. I don’t think the movie wanted to be that depressing though and realistic. And I don’t think his wingman could bare to tell how horrid the event was and made it more peaceful sounding…
Enjoyed the movie but why didn't they use the curved carrier landing technique invented by the royal navy as a solution to the difficulty with landing the corsair?
I was just wondering, is the book full of inaccuracies?
No the book is not. It is well researched by Makos as he meticulously tries to be as accurate as possible. He gets a lot of his information directly from the families themselves. He even builds a strong friendship with Tom Hudner himself who gives a lot first hand account not heard in any other setting. It is a great book and must read!
I find it interesting how this movie hasn't been marketed with a social media campaign by the same performative activist types calling for new stories and lesser known historical figures to be illuminated.
It amazes me how little money it made in theaters, yet with "no one" going, the showing I saw had a group of about five teenagers chattering and acting stupid in the back.
I know, there were only 4 other people in the theater when I went. This was the lowest Box Office Thanksgiving weekend in 30 Years and all movies suffered for it. Unfortunately Hollywood is already calling it a flop. Hopefully it will do well when it is released to home.
@@usmilitaryhistory The theater I saw it in was relatively empty too. It’s such a shame because the aerial sequences in particular really deserve to be seen in the big screen. My hope is that the movie does well enough in awards season for Sony to bring it back to the theaters. I agree that the marketing has been surprisingly lacking.
What about the RedTails? Weren't they flying in WW II?
Yes but they were apart of the Air Force (US Army Air Forces at the time). Jesse was the first black in Naval Aviation. The Tuskegee Airmen were also a segregated unit verses Jesse being the only African American in VF-32
There needs to be a movie made of "A Higher Call."
I love war movies....I found this....not well paced; I don't know what it is exactly but it's strangely shot. You can tell the carrier shots are static sets. It's just a lot of stuff that did allow me to get immersed like other combat movies. It's ok but it's not what it could have been, especially with this subject matter.
I absolutely agree. There was so much potential. The plus was that it told the stories of Jessie and Tom and brought light to the Korean War. The downside is that it took liberties that took away from their story. Unfortunately, it looks like it has bombed according to Hollywood standards which means they will be less willing to make Military History Movies.
this is the saddest story ever of the Korean War. yes Tom actually did crash his plane which he said in his documentary about the moment, the saddest thing was, even before they left, Jesse had expired to hypothermia.
Someone mentioned that the Navy dropped Napalm on Jesse so the North Koreans /Chinese wouldn’t get anything important out of it (I don’t remember exactly what the person said who made the comment). Seems a bit far fetched to me but I haven’t read the book on watched the movie. Anyone out there have some enlightenment for us?
Watched the movie for a lesson in military aviation; got a lesson in intersectional racism.
Hopefully they make a movie about mig alley with our early jet pilots.
Unfortunately movies always have inaccuracies and some blame it on entertainment or make movie Interesting, the fact that Marines flying Prop planes during Korea flew many close air support missions which could have been added without the fake actions added
Had a teacher who was a frozen Chosin... his love and respect for the Corsair was boundless
Saved his ass more than once he said
love the movie
The port side shot on the Corsair flying low over the water was CGI...
Unfortunately I am also a CGI snob. A higher budget movie could have afforded more live aerial scenes or at least higher quality CGI. Still did a great job with what they had!
sad that comments that are not complimentary are not permitted by U tube. As a neighbor and friend of Tom Hudner I attempted to comment several times regarding the woke hijacking of the incredible true story behind the movie - all were not allowed.
John I understand. I have had to stop myself many times from responding to many comments. The unfortunate truth is that much of this is a politically heated topic. Ten years ago we would be having different conversations. One side under emphasis it to make a political point while the other side over emphasis it to make a political point. My wish is that we can just honor these heroes for who they were. The true story behind both Jesse and Tom should be told and remembered.
That missile existed in 1951?
Great movie!
hi never see the movie but i going to try to see movie i love movies with jets planes ships and submarines in war movie i gave this video 999.999.999.999.999 likes and subs
Thanks! Its a great Movie!
Thought it was actually more likely that Jesse destroyed a bridge with rockets (!) than hung out with Liz Taylor a a Cannes Casino - but it turns out the former is made up and the latter is true! Liked the movie despite all the heavy handed racism learnings.
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The REAL story is good enough. When they jack it up they undermine the credibility of what IS true. I have known of this story for over 55 years. Red Tails, as well. The real stories are beautiful and affirming. Then they garbage it up into cartoons. No thanks.
The real Jessie Brown was a modest and determined man who wasn't trying to be the first anything. He just wanted to fly in the service and was willing to take on whatever that entailed. He wasn't obsessed with the obstacles , he was obsessed with overcoming them (which SHOULD be the lesson). He witnessed the sacrifice and accomplishments of others, and am pretty certain he would have been horrified to be given credit for things done by others. He lived by a code and THAT is entirely outside of it.
Johann, I agree!! Every time I read a biography of someone’s military experience, I am just shocked/changed/challenged by their life they lived! That is absolutely true of Jesse Brown’s life.
Unfortunately, Hollywood and today’s movie crowd want artistic entertainment that awes them. That means you must one-up the previous movie to awe them. I was getting highly irritated as I read all the reviews of the Movie Devotion. All the “highly rated” movie reviewers ripped apart the movie stating problems with plot, character development, story flow, lack of dramatic flair, not enough tension between characters, not enough action, too much action, and every other artistic complaint possible. Most of them recommended taking out scenes that “hindered the flow of the story,” and those scenes were some of the more historically accurate parts of the movie. When going against MARVEL, historical seems not as entertaining. If only they could sit in front of these men and woman and make a connection with their real life experiences, they would be in awe of the real heroes in our world.
Something similar happened with "The Great Debaters."
George Lucas wanted to make "Red Tails" for over twenty years and made a completely lackluster and practically disrespectful film.
Won’t be watching that one, as a retired military pilot I’m infuriated they take credit for shooting down the MiG. They won’t be making a movie about the marine pilot that did.
That's Hollywood. If you don't find technical inaccuracy, dramatic embellishment, and "plot-holes" entertaining, there's not much point in going to the movies at all. Why is the black guy the only one in the squadron wearing a green flight suit? Given that the Bearcat and Corsair used the same engine, it's not the engine that made the Corsair more prone to torque rolling (it's the propeller). Did any naval aviator ever qualify on the carrier by trapping after the LSO waved him off? Imagine any fighter pilot night-clubbing in dress whites without pinning his wings on the uniform! If you were going to engage a MiG in a Corsair, wouldn't you want to pickle them drop tanks? Hilarious!
You know what’s amazing? I’m just a black man noticing that when movies like the Alamo by John Wayne was made or the hundreds of movies done about Wyatt Earp? Or the numerous and I mean countless movies done about General Armstrong Custer and “Custers last stand!” All the movies were inaccurate as hell and in almost all cases just made up crap!
Literally not one single article or post was done in regards to accuracy or was it based in truth!!! Or was it even 99.999% accurate?!
But god forbid, let a movie be written about an experience of a black soldier, pilot or historical figure? And everyone wants to make sure it’s 100% accurate! And god forbid it’s only 99.999% accurate.
Perfect example is the movie about the Tuskegee Airmen, where there were countless debates to refute the fact the Tuskegee Airmen didn’t lose one B-17 Bomber they escorted to enemy fire! In fact a white historian made a cottage industry trying to refute that claim! Or if one of the pilots could have been an ace having shot down 5 German fighters, but the 5th one was not accredited to him for obvious reasons, let’s guess… we don’t need a rocket scientist to figure that out!
Look, I’m 60 and I’ve watched my share of Wyatt Earps, The Lone Ranger which is actually about a black Marshal Bass Reeves but let’s not go there before y’all lose your lunch! 😊 And lastly the Sands of Iwo Jima where no one refuted the accuracy or tried to say it’s this or that!
I hope my statements adds some clarity and shines some light on the obvious b s. Who gives a damn if every statement in the movie was accurate. Hell like I pointed out before? I’ve watched my share of inaccurate betrayals of white history like the old Cavalry Movies showing only white cavalry soldiers when over HALF of the soldiers who manned the Forts in the west were Buffalo Soldiers !!
But then what’s knew, it’s true that Christopher Columbus discovered a country where someone already lived! Ha isn’t that a hoot ….. now let’s chew on what I just said and see the hypocrisy for what it is! Utter bull shit!
There is more of an emphasis on realism now than when John Wayne's movies were coming out.
That said, there is sometimes unfair focus on "inaccuracies" in the news. Most people going to see a movie won't really care.
I'm just more bothered by such a low turnout. Where are all the people who claim they care to learn so much about "hidden figures" like Jesse Brown?
@@beevezeepe6615 b s …. Saving Private Ryan was B S and it was supposedly based on a real brothers who served. So your summation well that was the old days? Ya right whatever next!
@@waynefletcher9884 Saving Private Ryan never claimed to be a truthful depiction of an actual historic event. Yes, there was an incident where a soldier (Fred Niland) was removed from combat in Normandy due to his three brothers being killed, but there was no "rescue mission." Devotion was a movie depicting real people (using their real names.) So, yes the level of scrutiny is higher than it was in the John Wayne days. I still thought it was a very good movie.
@@brucemolett9843 regardless!! My initial statement above stands!
You are over analyzing it because you want to play the victim card. The reason people analyze movies like this for historical accuracy is because they literally say 'based on a true story' or 'based on real events' or 'true story' as their selling point. The historical inaccuracies mentioned in this video have nothing to do with him being black, they just didn't happen, same as how other movies have white people doing things 'based on a true story' that never happened.
The main thing I don't like about devotion isn't the story it's trying to tell but the execution being extremely poor. A MiG-15 would not at all blow up that quickly it would definitely get destroyed but not magically combust the way it did unless slammed with another force. Aside that the feel of them magically flying in the sky when you can obviously tell it wasn't in a propeller->smoke trails come off when your hitting a certain Mach speed but even then it's mainly the feel that no one is actually dying since bullets are all magically whizzing around you with not even 1 at all hitting you or your squad.
Piston engine top gun...
We are learning the truth, gradually, that the war was won by black people and they invented most things but got no credit. The Astronauts couldn't go to the moon with out a black ladies math for crying out load. The truth comes out!
A bit of a mix of "Red Tails" (2012) and "Men of Honor" from 2000 with a lot of over-the-top acting. And the action scenes were also out of tune.
I like Corsairs but as far as the movie goes I thought it was weak in what you seem so emphatic about. So many mistakes about the Corsair. Very little indepth about the men if you want to make a movie about race then make the movie and forget about skin color and being POLITICALLY CORRECT
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Korean war was a glorius sacrifice from U.S. citizens. Think what if a whole Korea would now be a North Korea like. Thank You U.S.A. WW. 2 was a sad story Western countries foght each other.
War should be avoided as much as possible but sometimes there is a need. South Korea exist because of the men that sacrificed their lives (from 23 nations) during the Korean War.
Any story they tell will never be accurate
This move totally exaggerates how Jesse was treated especially once he became a pilot. Jesse was loved and he loved all the fellow airmen he was not treated with racism. I don't know about his time before he graduated flight school but after he was loved by his fellow airmen i.e. white men. I don't like how this move felt the need to falsify his treatment during his time as a pilot. None of that racist shit happen with his flight team, they liked Jesse from day one and thought he was a great pilot. So why did move lie about that fact? In America right now we need more truth we don't need any more lies. Yes, some black Americans had a hard time and Jesse might have too but he did not during his time as a pilot. Don't get me wrong I understand what Jesse went thru however, what is wrong to me is they do not show how once Jesse became a Pilot how much his fellow airmen look up to him and did not treat him with any racism, Again Jesse Brown loved his fellow pilots and they loved him. The book also twists the truth a little as well. I don't understand why people always feel to need to make this stuff worst than it truly was. For me, that takes away from the real soul of America and the men and women that fought and died together. I know this from spending a lot of time researching because I just love to learn about real military history.
Good film but don't like all the lying and Hollywood crap...don't build up the characters with fictional bull....these guys are heros they don't need imbellished bull to make them who they are
Hudner should not have crash landed his Corsair. He destroyed a perfectly good airplane and risked himself, a highly trained asset. The helicopter came out with just the pilot, which means there was room for just three people and a crewman had to be left behind. They ended upped leaving Brown to die alone. Hudner should have been court martialed instead of receiving the MOH.
That’s like saying corpsmen and medics shouldn’t endanger themselves by going after wounded men in no man’s land because they are US government property themselves. You and your mates become a band of brothers.
@@jockellis No it ain't because that's their job that they were trained to do and it's up to their mates that were trained to fight, to protect them. Funny how that works. His wingman should have remained as top cover and allowed the rescuing helicopter, which should have contained two crew, to do it's job.
@@31terikennedy that’s what the captain told them but the pilots are a bit closer.
@@jockellisHe accomplished nothing and even interfered with the rescue.
Get lost 😡
You know why this film tanked? Because it wasn't just about the incredible story of these two men. It had to be about racism and overcoming racism and people are just tired of that ALWAYS being the storyline in historical films. Too bad too because this was a really good movie.
You want them to pretend racism didn't happen in a historical film?
@@druidriley3163 racism exists NOW. Should it be in every film about every race?
@@jimkeskey If it's still there in context, yes, it should be mentioned. In a movie about a bunch of crooks robbing a bank, no, no need to mention. In a historic movie where until recently segregation existed in military service? Yes, it should be mentioned. The movie is mostly about Jesse Brown, so yeah, racism needs to be brought up.
@@druidriley3163 Actually it doesn't need to be brought up. Again, every person of color can claim they were a victim of racism. LeBron James could. So if they make a film about him in the future, should it include the racial angle?
As long as people keep crying victim, things will never get better.
This film should have been about brotherhood and heroism. They threw in the race card, and, well...look how it did. The numbers speak for themselves. People are getting tired of that theme.
@@jimkeskey *As long as people keep crying victim* And there it is. Your real reason for not liking racism being brought up in movies and rightly criticized. You think people who suffer from it are all crying whiners. Grow up.
Smells like woke to me!
All history movies have some degree of dramatization which is expected. Now if the real Jesse Brown flew cargo planes in Alaska during the Korean War then I would call “woke” too but having him strike a bridge instead of the nearby AA emplacements that he really hit isn’t much of a stretch. 🤷🏻♂️
Couldn’t have said it better!
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@@rogerparker8724 The wokeness is not about embellishment of heroic accomplishments of the bridge mission. The wokeness is creating a storyline to portray America as racist in its reaction to the non-historical event.
another balck pilot ...another political correctness movie..
As always, white man does the job, black man get the credit