I'm literally saying hello to my brand new V. Tristis tomorrow and yall have already got me thinking about altering my training plans! For the past 10 years I've only had my bearded dragon (she made it to 22yo before we said goodbye to her in Feburary), and she was so used to me that handling and interacting was never an issue. It's been so long since I've worked with new animals, and I want to do right, this podcast helped a ton!
I think that when we talk about welfare of reptiles in captivity, we need to change the language surrounding our keeping.. having a collection... for example suggests that as many snakes/lizards are added as possible... regardless of the kind of care each animal gets. Lauding people who have 100 ball pythons and encouraging people who go to a reptile shop to buy a snake and end up getting 4 is something I see all the time online. Praise should be given to keepers who keep fewer animals and prioritise standard of enclosure, space given, time spent rather than number of animals. If we all changed the rhetoric then we would have less poorly kept animals and less welfare cases imho
Nice job Ellie and Dillon! Excellent episode and discussion and Dillon, you were correct about antecedents. An antecedent is a stimulus or event that occurs immediately before a behavior that sets the stage for the behavior to occur. When used intentionally by a trainer and/or behaviorist antecedents are cues or signals that elicit specific responses from the animal. Antecedent arrangement means arranging the environment or context in which the antecedent occurs to influence the behavior of the animal; like changing physical surroundings, timing, or the way cues are presented with the goal being to create a situation or circumstances that increase the likelihood of desired behaviors occurring and decrease the likelihood of undesired behaviors occurring. Historical antecedents are stimuli that may occur prior to an official training session starting but that the animal has attached meaning to. The past experiences and learning history of the animal influence its current behavior and can include events and conditions that have shaped the animal's behavior over time; for example, I have to open a container to take out training treats for a session and the animal is already alerted to the impending training session by hearing the container open. For snakes, me setting up a camera, setting a training target and tongs nearby, or sometimes just walking into the room with all of my training equipment has alerted the snake to what is about to happen, and they may retreat/hide if they don’t want to participate, or come out of hiding and wait at the door in anticipation of something reinforcing about to happen. The use of luring and negative reinforcement are two major things that seem difficult for people to understand and properly employ. Ellie did a great job of explain how luring can be used incorrectly versus appropriately. Luring can be a useful training method done when the animal is comfortable and relaxed and voluntarily engaging with the training in the first place. Typically luring is used in early training and faded over time and should not be used in a situation when an animal is experiencing fear, anxiety, or stress to begin with. Well done.
The topic of welfare goes straight to the controversy over rack systems. Personally, I HATE them, even though some of my favorite RUclipsrs use them. The animals may be perfectly healthy, but I can't imagine them living their best lives in those little tubs. People say "Oh, snakes are cryptic, they like to hide in small places." but they have no choice about it. If they can't even stretch out to their full length, how can they have any quality of life? They're barely better off than battery hens. It just makes me so sad.
@@onechallengeatatime Lori did one specifically about Bredl's which has helped guide my care w the species a lot, I am looking forward to what this new study has to say.
I feel like we should be doing the best we can and I agree with a limited number of animals depending on size and care needed.. for example, if I have 3 boa pets I will need some proper size enclosures and that will reduce my number of pets allowed.. different if you want frogs Rack systems shouldn’t be allowed at all! We have been pet birds for so many years and they need lot more freedom then certain reptiles like a snake for example, and their cages are soooo small! I love my pets, I don’t pet birds, but I have dogs and snakes but I provide best possible, overall! That’s needs to be the way.. I also love seeing my animals, not looking at a rack system of plastic tubs
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I'm literally saying hello to my brand new V. Tristis tomorrow and yall have already got me thinking about altering my training plans! For the past 10 years I've only had my bearded dragon (she made it to 22yo before we said goodbye to her in Feburary), and she was so used to me that handling and interacting was never an issue. It's been so long since I've worked with new animals, and I want to do right, this podcast helped a ton!
Amazing, so glad to hear you found this valuable! 🙂
I think that when we talk about welfare of reptiles in captivity, we need to change the language surrounding our keeping.. having a collection... for example suggests that as many snakes/lizards are added as possible... regardless of the kind of care each animal gets. Lauding people who have 100 ball pythons and encouraging people who go to a reptile shop to buy a snake and end up getting 4 is something I see all the time online.
Praise should be given to keepers who keep fewer animals and prioritise standard of enclosure, space given, time spent rather than number of animals. If we all changed the rhetoric then we would have less poorly kept animals and less welfare cases imho
Very well said!
Thank you for listening to it 2.5 times 😆!
Nice job Ellie and Dillon! Excellent episode and discussion and Dillon, you were correct about antecedents. An antecedent is a stimulus or event that occurs immediately before a behavior that sets the stage for the behavior to occur. When used intentionally by a trainer and/or behaviorist antecedents are cues or signals that elicit specific responses from the animal. Antecedent arrangement means arranging the environment or context in which the antecedent occurs to influence the behavior of the animal; like changing physical surroundings, timing, or the way cues are presented with the goal being to create a situation or circumstances that increase the likelihood of desired behaviors occurring and decrease the likelihood of undesired behaviors occurring. Historical antecedents are stimuli that may occur prior to an official training session starting but that the animal has attached meaning to. The past experiences and learning history of the animal influence its current behavior and can include events and conditions that have shaped the animal's behavior over time; for example, I have to open a container to take out training treats for a session and the animal is already alerted to the impending training session by hearing the container open. For snakes, me setting up a camera, setting a training target and tongs nearby, or sometimes just walking into the room with all of my training equipment has alerted the snake to what is about to happen, and they may retreat/hide if they don’t want to participate, or come out of hiding and wait at the door in anticipation of something reinforcing about to happen.
The use of luring and negative reinforcement are two major things that seem difficult for people to understand and properly employ. Ellie did a great job of explain how luring can be used incorrectly versus appropriately. Luring can be a useful training method done when the animal is comfortable and relaxed and voluntarily engaging with the training in the first place. Typically luring is used in early training and faded over time and should not be used in a situation when an animal is experiencing fear, anxiety, or stress to begin with.
Well done.
Thank you for watching the episode Lori and thank you so much for adding additional thoughts, you are a fantastic resource as always!
@@LoriTorrini thank you Lori! ❤️
Looking forward to the study on Sthenodactylus social behavior
This is my favorite episode so far, such great information!!
Really 😭 Thank you!
Awesome, so glad to hear you enjoyed it!
@@HillsHerptiles YES!
The topic of welfare goes straight to the controversy over rack systems. Personally, I HATE them, even though some of my favorite RUclipsrs use them. The animals may be perfectly healthy, but I can't imagine them living their best lives in those little tubs. People say "Oh, snakes are cryptic, they like to hide in small places." but they have no choice about it. If they can't even stretch out to their full length, how can they have any quality of life? They're barely better off than battery hens. It just makes me so sad.
When that study comes out that Lori and the gang's workin on they're gunna have no leg to stand on for tubs.
@@JD-oh6hmwhat study is that? I would like to know more please
@@JD-oh6hmnever mind... I finished the video lol😂
@@onechallengeatatime Lori did one specifically about Bredl's which has helped guide my care w the species a lot, I am looking forward to what this new study has to say.
Another as usual awesom program my man! Im so glad i found you chanel a few years ago. Your attention to this is admirable.
Thank you, very much appreciated 🙏🏻
This is definitely one of the most exciting topics for me. Thank you for this. I already like it, and I haven't even watched the episode yet. 😂❤
Thanks for listening, hope you enjoyed it!
I really enjoyed Ellie’s comments and insights - great episode!
Thanks for watching!
I feel like we should be doing the best we can and I agree with a limited number of animals depending on size and care needed.. for example, if I have 3 boa pets I will need some proper size enclosures and that will reduce my number of pets allowed.. different if you want frogs
Rack systems shouldn’t be allowed at all!
We have been pet birds for so many years and they need lot more freedom then certain reptiles like a snake for example, and their cages are soooo small!
I love my pets, I don’t pet birds, but I have dogs and snakes but I provide best possible, overall! That’s needs to be the way..
I also love seeing my animals, not looking at a rack system of plastic tubs
I especially loved the part about the four quadrants of training! Gonna put that knowledge to good use with my emerald tree skinks!
Glad you found it helpful! 🙂
Another great one bro ,,, i did enjoy the show '
Glad to hear it, I was really nervous how people would receive it
Thank you, sir!
@@HillsHerptiles it was honored
Bro they almost killed trump today in Philly ....he survived .... Been a min since a presidential shooting attempt. It was in Philly today.
Yep the news is on fire ... The hottest story...it will last some days
And it’s a natural, instinctive action- a boa following his nose to a meal.
I don’t understand the fear of euthanasia. Perhaps it’s a fear of death, to think that it’s the worst outcome between that and misery.
Patience. 🤷🏻♂️
Could not understand the name of her YT channel. Healsheptiles?
Hills herptiles
Yep, Hills Herptiles! Also check the description for links to things discussed in the episode (including the links to the guests content)
15:05 HUMANS will breed in horrid conditions, of course animals will too.