I went to culinary school in the morning, paid for it myself while bartending at night. Now 125k salary working as a private chef. University was not for me.
K A Nobody does that!? Though I’ve seen a lot of people throwing money at Gender Studies graduates for feminist ideas to comfort people when their car breaks down and blame the patriarchy for it.
@@phoenix5054 Of course people are going to pay to fix their car, a mechanic provides a service where people have a need. Gender studies & various grievance studies degrees doesn't really provide a student with any marketable skill beyond teaching the same material, but there isn't sufficient demand for every graduate to become a gender studies professor. That's why they just turn around and demand that the schools create positions for them, like "diversity officer" or "director of equity and inclusion" which they are happy to do because guaranteed student loans are essentially a blank check from the government. But that isn't a real demand, it wouldn't exist in an actual free market
If you think college is expensive now, just wait until it's "free." As Mike Rowe says, "We are lending money we don’t have to kids who can’t pay it back to train them for jobs that no longer exist.”
The fed creates money out of thin air. Then lends it to banks who create more money from thin air. It's not real. And we have plenty of magic money for the military so we can bomb the poorest people on the planet. Shitheads like you are a perfect example of why we need to educate the population.
Get the government out of EVERY business & school, no government money, then let the ones that will fail or go under do so. No bailouts. Nothing is to big to fail, the market will fill in the void, it happens every time.
R0mulus Who is going to pay for this, you fool? Taxpayers. That is who. “Free” things are not nearly so valued as something you must pay for yourself. Look up ANY psychological study. Government school is failing miserably already, hence the crazy increase in home schooling. Finally, I consider Government and Colleges these days as “left wing indoctrination centers” - Why do you think socialism is so popular with kids these days?
@@Maybe-So I would imagine socialistic ideologies are popular with kids these days for the same reason it's been popular with kids and most adults for almost 100 years...it the counterbalance to unregulated, capitalistic models that inevitably end in economic slavery for the majority of citizens. "Free” things are not nearly so valued as something you must pay for yourself. " Pretty sure most thinking people would agree that socialized (ie. 'free') water, police and fire services, roadways, infrastructure and garbage disposal, just to name a few obvious things, are valued more when people aren't paying extra for the never-ending inflation of higher capitalistic profit margins. Government schools aren't failing across the planet - they are just failing largely in the USA. To be blunt, I believe this is largely do to US conservative and religious interests, as they both require a large and miseducated supporter base to grow power, that started during the Reagan administration, and continues on today.
The 2 year Associates of Applied Science I just earned from a community college will be more beneficial in the long run than the 4 years I spent at a State college at 1/8 the price. I already have a job in my field of study. For the win.
mollywatch So you want that doctor, operating on you in the emergency room not to have higher education, Or the structural engineer who designed the bridge you drive over every day with your family not to have higher education
@@peterpan8263 I was speaking 100% in the first person, referring to my own personal experience exclusively, in case you didn't notice. I'm not quite sure what you *think* I said. I made a decision, and after following through with it, those were my results, period. YMMV, fair enough?
@@peterpan8263 I know plenty of stupid doctors who have lots of good paperwork. Spending a lot of time learning something doesn't necessarily make you proficient.
@@TheManinBlack9054 European colleges are Garbage? Really ? I have studied in a Free European college and it is much much better than a paid american college
So college isn't for everyone, and isn't teaching everything needed for working. Great, I already believed that. But as a computer engineer, it was invaluable for what I do. You need to know the basics before understanding the complex. So free college for people who want/need it?
@@soulfuzz368 Ah yes I suppose so. The idea of college "investing" in college is so foolish to me, what is the role of government deciding who does and doesn't go to college?
@@johnfvick I agree that college is necessary for several careers, I wouldn't want someone designing my public infrastructure without a college degree, but how do we decide who gets it for free?
You know countries that cover college usually restrict it to jobs that actually need degrees, like teachers, doctors, higher management and government jobs.
European colleges are also bare bones entities that don't spend millions on cushy dorms and amenities or sports teams or bloated administration and faculty salaries and pensions. The feds need to get out of backing student loans and make the colleges financially liable for them. Then they might be more attentive to who's really capable and what degrees are necessary. It would be a great day to see millions of extremist SJWs out of a job.
@@jamilasmith7306 Exactly, the college i attended in Ireland was bare bones but had everything i needed to get through college. On my first day of college i was shell shocked at how different it was to what college was in the media.
Sleepy Gryphon That‘s complete bullshit. I grew up in Germany and they don‘t restrict anything. It‘s about that „crazy“ idea that education should be affordable for everybody and not just for those who were blessed enough to have rich parents.
@@s_h136 nope. What exactly do you mean by, "I grew up in Germany?" Does that mean you did not go to college in Germany? You're calling bs on the OP because, "Germany doesn't restrict anything" but it smells like you're the one shitting us, friend.
Say you have a 3 story house. The foundation's giving out, the windows are broken, the siding is falling off. But, instead of fixing all those things, you decide to you're going to add a 4th story. People would think you were absolutely insane. We need to fix the educational system we have now, before we even think about adding another layer to that. "Free" college would only benefit the middle and higher classes. It would do nothing to benefit the lower classes. How can you go to college when you can't read past the 5th grade level and will most likely drop out at your earliest opportunity?
free college hurts everyone. in no way does it benefit upper classes. quite the opposite, it degrades the value of their education by anding out diplomas to the unworthy. stop blaming successful people for everything.
@@DieselRamcharger it's not a matter of blaming successful people, those who are successful don't need help paying for college. Those who are not successful will not benefit from the free ride.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD lol how many people are successful before college therefore pay their own way? you're a moron. plain and simple. your parents hard work wasn't a sin. no one needs help paying for a college education. college can't teach you anything you can't learn on your own. education isn't disseminated from concrete buildings, its a product of experience. Poor people are poor because of who they are. They are not who they are because they are poor. Any excuse you make trying to obscure that fact, is a lie.
@@DieselRamcharger how am I a moron? OP said that middle to high income families would send their kids in a free ride to college, while impoverished families would have trouble sending their kids to college even if it was free. He's 100% right. Nobody is blaming successful people. "your parents hard work wasn't a sin." - nobody said it was, would you please stop saying things unrelated to the topic?
The Dashing Rogue it’s cause he’s Hispanic. We have a different culture when it comes to work we tend to help our parents than to be individualistic and do our things like Americans do.
@@kevinreyes6633The same goes with Asians like me who are family-oriented. Asian parents go a mile to help their children and in return it is expected that children will also help their parents especially in their old age. And the cycle continues in the next generation.
@@kevinreyes6633 It could also have a negative effects when hispanic parents meddle too much in personal matters. They think they own their children and are too sniffy, intruding and metiches.
I didn't go to college until my 30's. I got made fun of for going to college so old. What they thought was I was a thirty something working three minial jobs. What they didn't know was that I delayed college because I already had a successful career. And because of that, I was able to carefully choose classes I felt would actually help. I graduated debt free.
Anyone I knew who was older that attended seemed to have something useful under their belt, and for me the better part about it is they knew what they wanted and their sense of what to do next seemed a much more solid foundation than the shallow dweebs that made fun of them without even bothering to know anything about them. Really simply to make themselves feel better. But that's the kind of world we live in. The other spectrum were the ones who decided to change careers, and really that's just realistic cause sometimes it happens. I don't understand why we have to make people feel bad for finding out later on what they first chose was just not the right fit and pursuing something else is just fine. I wanted to take a break, but was pressured into it. I ended up super depressed, dropped out with debt, and then went back paying out of my dad's pocket to a smaller college because I felt like such a failure and tried convincing myself to push through it as difficult as it was (cause I didn't agree to any of it). Ended up dropping out n I'm absolutely fine with it cause I made the best decision for myself and nobody else.
I'm from Switzerland and we have pretty cheap collages. First I wanted to disagree with your statement. But after watching your video I remembered, that your school system is garbage. Them being free doesn't really make anything better, that is true. Here in Switzerland about 70% of all students attend an apprenticeship instead of the high school. This gives you work experience and prepares you for university, if you care to do that. Our flexibility in changing jobs and education is also very high. If the school system is good, having a cheap education only serves equality. That way poor people can also attend the best schools, if they are smart enough.
This. If the education system of your country is utter garbage like America, doing shit like making it “””free””” doesn’t equate to higher chances of landing a job.
It's getting worse because they are hiring expensive administrators for identity groups to cater to minority groups and say everything is racist and they are giving professor jobs to ignorant people who sound like they're in the hood. They are making it extremely easy for POC students to get into school even if they are immature, or incompetent. As long as they aren't Asian or white. They now have screaming at the professors at Yale over Halloween costumes, hate crime hoaxes, even kidnapping of professors who do not do what they want and demanding schools fire professors who don't do what they want. They are self important and entitled, they are rude and stupid and they give then degrees! How are we supposed to know who is competent based on their education? We can't because of this. Its terrible for POC who actually have earned their degrees because everyone is going to think they are unqualified
@Jen Rosas USE, UK Switzerland and Singapore are the only countries in the top 20 when you look at universities (2019). And most of them are form USA. Congrats!
Politicians pushing 'free college for all' not only ignore that not everyone is not a good fit for college, but they *NEVER* suggest how it will be paid for.
And also not everyone wants to be in college wasting their time studying something that might be impractical or useless. In the video Bryan Caplan himself an economist with two degrees to his name even said that a lot of what students learn in school will be irrelevant in life because he/she will never use it. His book shown in the video is titled "The Case against Education: Why the Education System Is a Waste of Time and Money." He is stating the very thing that the colleges/universities don't want you to know or believe. That a lot of what passes for education is just plain useless and unecessary.
@Crosshair Who'll defund them? The army generals, the college stakeholders, the Billionaires everyone. This is why Berny Sanders could never become anything more than a junior senator.
Price of tuition rising over time is a total misconception. The flat price of tuition is rising, but colleges are offering more and more financial aid than ever before, so most middle-class citizens aren't paying anywhere near that number, given that they have the appropriate academic record to back it. Even high-income domestic students are offered some financial aid, on the basis that they will supposedly feel more "wanted" at that school. The only people paying full tuition are international students (predominantly Chinese, but they come from everywhere across the world), who allow the colleges to offer lower prices to domestic students. Granted, the process of college tuition and admissions is still broken in a dozen other ways.
@@KD-vg2yn Coming back to my comment 2 weeks later, I realize I was definitely underestimating the amount of student debt people on average accrue (the median, I found, was $17,000). I was definitely wrong about that. My apologies! The exception to this trend, though, which led me to making this mistake, was in regards to elite private colleges, like the Ivy League schools and prestigious liberal arts colleges. Schools that have large endowments and lots of resources often give scholarships even to high-income families, as it's statistically proven to make them more likely to choose to attend there. Coming from a lower-middle class income myself, I used a financial aid calculator for one of these colleges recently, and its estimate was that I would pay only a few thousand dollars out of the $70,000 tuition fee per year.
The main benefactors of four year colleges is not the students; it's the faculty, the textbook industry, the sports teams, the campus investments, and the investment funds that are held. College has basically gone corporate.
Couldn't agree more. Which is why they have a vested interest in brainwashing you to believe that without them you will not get very far in life and will never be successful. That's why they want everyone in college. No competition from trade schools, apprenticeship programs, on the job training, military etc. That's what they would want. More tuition money they can suck out of gullible students.
@@themightypars4453 But how good was that? Because something is free doesn't mean it's good quality. Was it really free? Or did the government tax you higher in order to provide that free education. Like offering free medical care. In order to provide that the government would have to raise your taxes in order to provide such free services. Because in reality nothing is really given free. Somewhere somehow you will have to pay for it.
There is a large volume of employers who will NOT CONSIDER job candidates who don't have a four-year degree....yet the job task doesn't really require one. Not much discussion as to "why".....
@@mossfloss Anyone who is honest will, many dropouts will say it themselves because they went because they were encouraged by their high school or expected to by their parents.
@@MrCmon113 It's a sunk cost for the taxpayer. Whether you stay in college or not, you'll be paying for it when you get your first paycheck. Why don't you understand that you will inevitably share in the cost?
Yeah they don't tell you about all the alternatives to college. When I was in school they made it sound like there was no other way and that there was no other ways to learn other skills for other jobs.
@@mossfloss The young adults should have a choice wouldn't you say? If they really don't want to be there, how productive do you think they will be? Also the resources that the person who doesn't want to be there is using could be used by the next person who actually loves their education and respects being there. There are other means of being a great productive member of society and College shouldn't shoved down your throat as the only option. In fact this shows how much guidance counselors are failing at their jobs not actually walking these young people down every Avenue of possibility before they make these decisions.
Because it has a structure that doesn't work well with young minds. They try to force something down the throat and then when gasping for air they tell you that you can't succeed unless you keep choking. Which is patently false. Education needs a hip check.
Instead of employers wanting candidates to "tell them what they know," it ought to be more like, "show me what you can do" in order for them to be hired. Some college may come in handy, but learning how to do something should be the focus instead of completing several book learning courses and passing the required tests. Most of it is a waste of time and resources, especially when the school is not up to grade for what the companies expect from their potential employees.
Kevin C well I think it’s up to the country and how their system is set up. Here in Germany you can go into a 3 year Job training after finish the 10th Class (15-16 Years) The Jobs vary from Craftsman Jobs (Technician) to Service Jobs (Banker) or you do 3 years Highschool wich qualifies you for University and training Jobs with more responsibilities wich are also higher paid like Pilot, Air Traffic Controller (7000€/month before tax; highest paid training job) If you choose to study, you can choose between normal University wich concentrates on R&D and Specialized University wich concentrates to work in the economy, but both Universities are bound to internships in Companies and other specialized trainings. So students know where to work or for what they are working. So tuition free colleges are here in Germany relative efficient, wich has increased social mobility and made the Nordic countries on of the most productive and highly educated people, where it’s easier for everyone to increase productivity and because real-wages are bound to productivity increase, it in everyone’s benefit, to help even the poorest and weakest of the country.
Yep, free college would be a terrible idea. It would make a bachelor's degree worthless and everyone would be hired based on if you had a Master's degree.
Right. and having a nation of smart people is also terrible. Imagine that. If college was free you would diminish the value of the degree, but thats not really a problem is it. You dont feel that just cause everyone goes through middle and highschool makes the education less valuable? Maybe we should just let 20% of all people go to school all together, so they have better chances at getting a job. good idea.
@@SilentD1 college most of the time does not produce good working citizens unless you go into a trade field or a directly targeted course for what you want. High school is good for the basic abilities of a person but even things like calculus prove useless to the average American. If everyone had a bachelors the people hiring would have to use a different criteria to hire as a bachelors wouldn’t guarantee a base set of competency like it should.
@@strategygaming5830 The point of having an educated population is not so they each have an advantage in life, but so that the country as a whole has a higher standard of "people" which then increases the productivity and tax playing force. I would not advise anyone to get an education that they have to pay for. If politicians dont see the value of me being smart, then I wont be. You may think that im the looser here, but in the end after I die, you are still stuck with a population thats too stupid to make progress.
@@SilentD1 unironically making non mandatory schooling would increase the quality of the schooling, provided that parents still get to make the choice of whether and where to send them. This is seen in private/charter schools and self selection is a great way to let a populace have education work for them. Of course I'm also a advocate for vouchers for school selection and lower tier trade schools for students that just dont get traditional book learning. decentralizing education would make education better overall and more practical.
The BA I earned many decades ago had value if only because there were so few of them. That degree opened many doors for me which today are closed to anyone without the Master's degree necessary to even get an interview. A college graduate may have difficulty finding a job but a qualified plumber/electrician/carpenter/mechanic etc. can get a job in a heart beat.
@michael saju Qualified tradesmen can find jobs even in a bad economy while recent college grads are scrambling to find any job and paying off their student loans. The college grad who has a degree of value in a specific field- accounting, engineering, etc. can readily find employment. The graduate with a degree in gender/racial/ethnic/intersectional etc studies will be flipping burgers and pouring coffee if s/he can find any employment at all. The question is not if you have a degree but have you learned to do things which are of value to an employer?
@Someone :/ so people don't need plumbers, electricians, or mechanics if the economy is bad? Tell that to the pipes and power lines in my house or my car, because they dont seem to care what the economy is when they go bad. And I have no choice but to pay a professional to fix them. And not all degrees, licenses, and credentials are transferrable to other states. You dont know what you are talking about.
@@peterpan8263 You don't have to be in a union to be successful in trade jobs. The days when unions were required are gone -- now they just price employees out of jobs and businesses out of existence. If you are actually worth anything to an employer, you can negotiate a higher salary than a union would get you (because you wouldn't be at the mercy of paying the union dues and would keep all of your money). The only people who actually want unions are people who aren't worth that much so they want a mob rule where the salary they are not worth is forced to be paid.
Are you complaining because it is populistic or because you wanted to watch a video about why free college is a terrible? Personally, I would rather watch an uplifting story about getting around the indoctrinating four-year university system and making a lot of money in the process. I would hope that as the universities teach less useful things more people realize that trade schools are not beneath them and there is a lot of money to me made for trade people no matter what the elitist "educated" assholes think.
I understand that as a non libertarian, you might not be attuned to view the world in terms of supply and demand. Bringing awareness to such will lower costs without increasing the cost of living. Why? Because it advertises new forms of supply to make up the demand, thus the demand for college reduces, thus forcing colleges to reduce cost to compete for the students.
I hate the argument that cost keeps people from attending or succeeding in college. Community colleges are dirt cheap, flexible with the amount of courses someone can take, and the faculty are more available to help students because they aren't trying to juggle grad students or research projects. The first two years of courses like English 101 and college algebra aren't taught any different at CCs then they are at pricey liberal arts colleges, or the Ivy league. The low cost makes it easy for low income students to fund 100% with Pell Grants, and have built in automatic acceptance programs with in state four year institutions. Many even have agreements with public universities to complete bachelor's degrees on site which leads to reduced cost.
@@heuganian7252 Glad to help. In the US at least every area has a community college with in person and online classes. The way we're conditioned to think about post high school education encourages people to look down on them, but most are excellent options for getting through your basic college prerequisites. College Algebra isn't taught any differently at Bumfuck Nowhere Community College than it is at MIT, English 101 at Harvard, etc. I'd say they actually teach it better because community colleges have smaller class sizes, and faculty that are there solely to teach without having to juggle research so they can gain/maintain tenure. Community colleges make college education accessible and affordable for most Americans. The problem is we are used to viewing colleges in terms of prestige, and so CCs are looked down on for no reason. It's similar to how people are taught to view trade school even though the trades often pay better than jobs requiring college degrees.
English major here. The university system was created to teach literacy, history, and theology. It was a way to further your own understanding by being surrounded by scholars who understood. They were places of study and research. "Academic." The idea that this evolved into a way of getting a job is interesting. Personally, I think colleges should stick to the academics and arts, then maybe have sister colleges that teach STEM fields. Academia is a noble pursuit, but it should not carry the expectation of a job.
Engineering major here. Academia does guarantee a high paying job. Your problem was your major. Ain't nobody getting paid off an English degree. What is the difference between a pizza and an english degree?? A pizza can feed a family of four.
Right after high school I joined the Navy and worked as an aviation electronics technician. I got out and got a job fixing radars. I've made well over 100K for the last 10 years. I went to school after the Navy as well and got a bachelor's degree in business management. I can honestly say the degree has not given me one single advantage on where I stand now. I got the degree just because I wanted to take advantage of my GI Bill.
@@mortimerbrewster3671 Bravo to him. One day, the only reason colleges and universities will exist is to provide a place for student athletes to hone their football and basketball skills before hitting the professional arena.
@@randallN-sw6ee You jumped to the wrong conclusion. My point is not the everyone who goes to college should study STEM. My point is that if it's not STEM, don't do a four year university. The education system needs to be overhauled so that jobs that do not ACTUALLY require higher education should not require degrees. I never used anything I learned from university for any of my jobs but all have required degrees. I took a few classes to learn a few things in accounting that could and is taught in community college. Also, imagine being one of the STEMs that many are already spending 6-12 years of study being able to get rid of the unnecessary classes, reducing their debt and their age that they can start working and earning a salary. That would be a huge benefit to them as well.
Why is everyone ignoring one crucial element, everything the government funds or subsidizes decreases in quality and increases in price. It's a measurable fact.
@@stevencooper4422 … cash is pumped into the economy all the time,. 4.5 trillion dollar bank bailout - No inflation 1.5 trillion to forgive student debt plus all the money people were paying for their student loans they can now spend in the economy and not just send it to a bank - and this you think will cause inflation?
@@thetayterminator1436 there is no inflation because the wealth is captured in economic bubbles. when the people cant take any more debt to purchase the over inflated assets from the excess printed money, the bubble pops and everyone who bought in and didnt get out loses their money, mostly the middle class.
@@thetayterminator1436 Education is the biggest example. The cost of eaching a single child in any district has increased substantially since government has become more and more involved with the education system. Yes, many people say it is state funding and not federal, but look at college tuition costs (which is federal secured loans) prices have ballooned there as well. Lets not get into infalted costs for businesses to hire and maintain workers blowing out small - middle class businesses. the reason local businesses cant compete with Walmart and Target is the government.
@@sierrachoco5271 Astronomy, but there are many other studies that also require knowledge from college like medicine, law, nurcery, mathematics. TBH if you work in a field of your studies you will use that knowledge on daily basis
The professor's basic point is correct, College/University does not prepare people for real jobs. 1) However, education is a goal in an of itself. The demands of a capitalist economy should not be the only measure of wheather an education is successful or not. 2) The critique here should be that we reform how college and university are taught to be more relevant to our society. Not supporting the pay wall. 3) Nearly every person calling for free college also calls for free trade school. Conclusion: the arguments presented in this video are weak and do not give reason to doubt free education to all willing to work for it.
Free ANYTHING means that the quality will decrease and the real cost (to taxpayers) rise. Inevitable. The people concerned are not the actual stakeholders. Public K-12 schools are obsolete, too. I can't tell you how many uneducated people I've seen complete the entire K-12 program in 2 or 3 years. You just have to want it and have enough talent. And with the Internet, it'd cost you next to nothing to do just that.
No, why would she do what she preaches? Most of her money is conveniently under capital gains tax. I'll never trust someone who won't lead their policy by example.
Typical high school should end at the 10th grade. The next 2 years should either be spent at a community college doing General Ed for those destined for college (but even that should be cut way back), and other kids should be learning a trade through a program and/or an apprenticeship. By age 18, all those trade school kids should be earning a living wage doing more than flipping burgers, and the rest should be just 2 years away from a bachelors degree (or a little longer for tougher degrees). The point is that student debt should be cut dramatically as kids not meant for college won't be pushed that route, and kids that are meant for college are there for far less time.
Simple supply and demand tells us that an excess supply of college degrees will drive the down the salary paid to people with college degrees. In other words, they will become a dime-a-dozen. So, people, once again will have to take additional courses on their own in order to differentiate themselves from the competition. Back at square one. Achieving a college degree should continue to be something special that only hard working, intelligent people achieve. The solution to the student debt problem is to eliminate student loans. Save up your money and then make a purchase. In general Loans are bad.
If college was free, it would have no value. Employers would start hiring people for new and unique programs and certificates they earned by paying. They don't care about grades. They care about the money and time you put in.
THE MAIN TROUBLE WITH THIS IS THE ASSUMPTION THAT ONE GOES TO COLLEGE TO GET A JOB, whereas one goes to college to learn how to think. Almost everyone interviewed in the piece equated "going to college" with "getting a good paying job", including the PRAXIS entrepeneur , who is obviously cashing in on the whole morass. The smartest person in the piece is the guy who, after attending college for 2 years, learned how to "think", left and beccame a BMW mechanic. The notion that making public edication free, as it once used to be, means there will be so many BAQs "out there" that the job market will be flooded, thus requiring still more degrees. HaW. There is nothing wrong with going to college for four years in order to learn how to think by reading literature, history, science, mathematicas, and then, after graduating, splitting wood or repairing cars for a living--as long as college is tuition free.
In 1972 an engineering classmate of mine asked the department head what having a diploma meant to employers...he said a degree indicates to a prospective employer that you are TRAINABLE.
2 years of vocational school always ends up being useful, and the loans, (if any) easily payable. And you can always get hired as a mechanic, (good to great ones are always in demand) or just start your own place. The job is fun, full of variety, and satisfying on a daily basis. And you’re not stuck in an office cubicle. Pay can run from $40,000 and up to $80,000+ a year plus benefits depending on location.
Anecdotal information. I'm a retired job counselor and I used to get very irritated at fellow counselors who would suggest to people that they could always be a carpenter or mechanic. They had no idea of the problem solving involved in remodeling a building or fixing a car. Also how to get along with people. I love education, but to often we forget what real education includes.
Its not anecdotal. There are thousands of jobs in the skilled trades. And there will always be. Some of them pay very well without going into student loan debt to get them. College is not the right choice for everyone. To be "irritated" that counselors would recommend an alternative to a 4 year college, makes you part of the problem.
the old "colleges will make society more productive" argument that completely ignores that all those countries that have "free" college are less productive and pay significantly less wages for any work that actually requires a college degree than America.
@@englishpayerofgermantaxes8186 Engineering degrees I understand because lessons you learn in school can be applied to really world scenarios. I have a degree in film production and the job I have in the industry doesn't need a degree so it was a waste of time and money. However, when it comes to STEM type jobs a degree is necessary, anything outside of that is a waste of time that includes the arts and most social studies.
@@wildeagle5791 Perhaps you should badmouth your film class then and not college in general. No one has ever said that a university education is required for artists.
@@MrCmon113 Everyone has the basic understanding that STEM needs an education -- nothing else does. Lawyers think they do but a focused study at a community college and high enough LCATs could be the only requirements for law school and that problem would be taken care of.
My dad is a diesel mechanic and makes $90k with no college in a state with low COL. My best friend is a machinist making $50k at 24 years old with no college degree. The money is there if you don’t think you’re too good to do the job.
Getting a degree does signal that you can persevere to finish what you started, but there are many ways to do that. It is far, far better to learn a useful trade than to go into debt to get a useless degree. I'm betting here that people who view this video have a pretty good sense of the sort of degree I'm talking about. I have five degrees, and I've only ever actually worked in the field of one of them. As a university professor, I encouraged students who were determined to stick it out to use their attendance to learn as much as possible and not be concerned about grades. This strategy nearly always resulted in solid skills and good job offers, often even before graduation. As a bonus, it also resulted in high grades. That said, I often broke with my administration by honestly counseling a student that he or she might be better served to pursue another avenue rather than college.
Counter argument: you are at college to receive an education, not just a particular skill. Reading, writing (!!!!), critical thinking, problem solving, and communication, are a few important things most college students learn how to do in general education courses. Being a well rounded, competent, intelligent person is just as important in the business world as learning a specific skillset, like finance or accounting
Agree! College education can broaden your perspectives. It is up to you, which major you choose. If you choose wisely, good. If not, do not blame college education as general!
Nonsense. You get that type of education through reading , interacting , assimilating , observing. Most liberal education students don’t even bother to visit a library. And that coming from a library rat as I was.
In Belgium private companies don't really decide how much they pay you. They have to pay you in function of your diploma and years of experience. So basically whether you are good or not at your job is irrelevant.
As a former college employee, I can attest with certainty, that the markup on necessary textbooks and material is monopolistic and casts a dark shadow on how good Capitalism can be. In addition, college executives do not deserve half-million dollar salaries, and presidents multi-million dollar ones. If executive wages (whose positions are almost purely nepotistic anyhow), were cut by merely 5-15%, college tuition could drop to ideally manageable levels. The problem is that colleges are run like Gilded Age companies. We do not need some socialist revolution like Bernie Sanders would like you to think, their greed needs to be parried by anti-trust lawsuits, for the benefit of their customers, AKA the students. The beauty of trust-busting is to stop any oligarch or oligarchs from controlling an entire industry, whether that be oil, steel, transportation, technology, or in this case, college degrees.
Government interference is what caused the excessive spending on the beuarocratic structure. Guaranteed government loans that can not be removed in bankruptcy has allowed the prices to inflate far beyond what the market can support, hence why it's referred to as a bubble. No banker would ever give someone a quarter million to go to school for a $15 an hour social workers job if the government wasn't backing the loan. Sure textbooks are outrageous, if you buy them at the school so you can just add them to your debt. Price doesn't matter with a government backed loan, just do it the easy way and sign the pad and be on your way it's future you's problem. The problems you described are problem with government interference, not with free market. I used to see things similar to you, then I spent a year studying history and economics on my own. For a few hundred on Audible I've gained more knowledge then the tens of thousands spent on school that I'm still paying off.
@Blashtifin Both sides are just as corrupt. I'd only argue that the leftist/socialist make it infinitely worse through government intervention. On a side note, that's exactly what makes capitalism so great. It makes it so those selfish/greedy individuals provide something useful to society. If consumers dont like or want it then they don't buy it. If employees don't like their wages they are free to leave and find a better job.
@Blashtifin Except there is alternatives in all of those cases. You simply go to another provider of those services/products. The only issues that lead to overinflated prices are from unnecessary government regulation. Healthcare is a pretty good example of this. How do we bring in competition if it takes years to push in a new drug? All this does is give corporations a monopoly through government strong arming the competition out. Housing is in a similar state. Rent is too high so we need to produce multi-unit apartment complexes. Again, government regulation is making it harder than it needs to be which subsequently keeps the cost of housing high. Well ya, if there isn't a way for a business owner to make a profit then there isn't a point in opening the doors in the first place. Employees aren't just guaranteed a part of the pie when they don't take on the risk. You're instead employed and given relative financial security for doing a particular task. Market socialism is just like you said, the employees actually take risk in the company they work in so they are given a portion of the profits. Not everyone wants to take on that kind of risk. Just the freedom of choice in action. The only "oppressive singular regime dictating people's lives" is the government. A government of democratically elected officials who constantly make decisions in their own personal benefit and not of the people who elected them. These same elected officials have the monopoly of force on their side. I'm no anarchist but government overreach is just about always the underlining issue in so many these cases. Yet people are still spouting that we need more government for government created problems.
@Blashtifin when you apply for a job, you agree to the pay or you don't and you move on, you're not forced to take it so bitching about the ceo making so much of your money doesn't hold water, and if socialism was so great, why do so many people from commie and socialist countries immigrate to a capitalist country? They all say it's for more opportunities and better life for their kids, because capitalism made it possible. Have you seen tbe videos of people losing their minds over chicken sandwiches at Popeyes? Or waffle house, taco bell, and mcdonald's? We can't handle two hour long bread lines here
I'm an electronic technician by training. The most important thing I ever learned I learned as a teenager building and running RC cars. Corroded and loose connections, cold solder joints.
No the reason is that no esay i Study in Germany(Fernuni hagen) and compare it to the pepel naw study in usa austalia and China to be onest wath tay have to do Past the Class is a joke.🤣🤣🤣 nobody Need you if you dont no enyting.
If you want to be a car mechanic, and don't plan on going into car design at VW, Ford, Tesla or Toyota, then plainly you don't need BA. Just the trade school should suffice. And yes, you can get work in a nice service car shop. And have a place of your own eventually. This is not what Universities are for. Anyway - the thing about free education is about removing barriers. Not necessarily Universities, but any/all education. Not "forcing" people either into Universities or trade schools. But not stopping them just because they cannot afford them. It will not fix everything, but for society at large, maybe it is worth it. The problem is not free/paid/overpaid but quality education for those that will benefit from it. Side notes: Let's not forget that not all Universities are same. Why they make a difference? Example: a properly educated coder is worlds ahead of only self-taught, quite efficient, but limited coder. There is more to coding than just knowing languages (even many). Meanwhile this vid looks a bit like a shill for Praxis. I don't argue they are not worth anything, but this is still more like an ad. And about working your ass off - that's conformity to the greed driven business model. If you think I support slacking etc., you miss the point.
This is a little misleading. This logic may apply to, say, 50% of the high school graduates-who think of higher education as a vocational preparation opportunity. For others, going to college would be imperative in many ways. :earning about ostensibly “useless” and “irrelevant” topics WILL help them gain wider knowledge base, gain thinking skills, be exposed to a variety of perspectives (often left-leaning, but, still...), and satisfy their intellectual curiosity.
I support tuition assistance for degrees and programs that benefit our society. And, since the high schools have stopped teaching welding, wood working and other trades, how about providing assistance for trade schools? But, don't tax me just because someone wants to get a PhD in music appreciation.
Many colleges today are offering courses and degrees that are basically worthless in the real world. Taking courses on philosophy, or socialogy and English might sound impressive but how many employers are looking for people with those degrees? In Indiana trade and technical skilled people are in high demand and can get a huge salary for the lower cost of trade or vocational college. I love archaeology but that field pays the lowest salary for the degree and making the taxpayers pay my tab is a little bit much.
I've never understood why it's one or the other. We either encourage people to be more realistic and see higher education only as a means to specific ends or we make it free... Shouldn't it be both or neither? Increase the requirements to get in, remove all useless courses. Consider it an investment in society for high skill jobs that require further education the same way we do making sure everyone can read and write but encourage people to only do it if they know what they want to do with their lives? You can even throw in conditions like a few years working for the public sector in exchange like many European countries do.
I was recently traveling and spoke with someone from Germany. Her college was free, she studied for the sake of learning and enriching her perspective but also came out with an engineering degree. As she traveled and ran into so many millennials from the states, she just became more and more grateful for her country and how she had zero debt, and planned to head back to Germany and give back to the place that had given her so much. She saved up some money to travel before starting her job and was also saving for a house. This perspective is completely non-existant to people from the states As someone who also has an eng degree and paid a ton for it in the states, I think we often confuse college with economic value. The idea of going to college to broaden my perspective and learn about the world was completely non existent to me. I looked at the cost and immediately thought, jeez I'm going to have a lot of debt when I graduate. So I better pick a degree that's really hard to pay off that debt. I was thinking that just like so many Americans... as a 17 year old............................ My point is, there is a lot of value in college as a time to explore and study things you're interested in and enrich your life and our whole culture that is not directly related to, making money. And there is nothing wrong with that just like there is nothing wrong with picking a major that will have a higher job placement and focusing on that. The problem is the cost has gotten way out of control and it's really unfair to bombard high schoolers with decisions and pull their strings to get them saddled with debt for wanting to learn. By creating a "free market system", we've unleashed greedy people/institutions to take advantage of people who want to learn and better our culture and their lives. In the case of the girl from Germany I met, she decided to become an engineer and put herself through tough classes when she knew her education was free and was just interested in that. Just like probably her classmates also chose different paths, based on what they were interested in, instead of many other factors. So in response to this video in general. I think the better question is do we think generalized education improves our culture, our world and the total output of a country, or is college solely for job placement? Because if it's solely for job placement, it will disappear in a matter of years with the internet
Kids have to stop being told 'university is the path to success'. Unless you want to go into engineering, law, medicine, finance (even then it depends) or sciences, there is many high paying jobs that don't require a degree. I also think that people forget about skilled trades which are in high demand.
Free college gives people the impression that education isn't worth it because it isn't associated with a cost. No cost means no price, hence worthless.
This asks the question; do we need automatons with wallpaper or entrepreneurs with a burning passion? Glad to see someone reporting on these alternatives to indebted graduates. I'm a Native American who in 2004 applied for and received the Indian Tuition Grant and the PELL Grant and went to OCC in Waterford Michigan. I actually got paid just over $1,200 per semester for being on the Dean's List each time! I had already been running my own IT services business for 6 years before I went back to school. The accounting knowledge gained at school has been most useful in remaining profitable in a very competitive gig economy labor market. It also proved invaluable when I and my sister - through her power of attorney - did a forensic audit of our mother's finances to uncover evidence of elder abuse and gift wrapped it for the Stark County Prosecutor's Office.
Regardless of his other policies and if you hate them, Andrew Yang has said many times that free college is not the answer. He wants to get trades back into high schools long before the kid enters his senior year. He also wants useful things taught like how to manage conflict in a group, financial literacy, etc. If you don't believe me, go to yang2020.com and go to his policy page. Underneath education you will find everything he wants to change.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD What do you mean by anti-gun? "For many Americans, guns are a big part of their culture and identity. That must be respected." (quote from his website) Also, see canandrewyangwin.com
I did not see how this is an example of how free college is a bad idea. Going to technical school is also higher education. Dont you want financial assistance to be able to finish technical school? And what is this I hear about if college is free, there will be too many BAs out there, and people will need to seek even higher education to compete? As if being educated is a bad thing.
I absolutely refused the lie fed to me by my parents (especially my mom) and their (especially her) friends: that I had to go to a 4 year college to get a good job afterwards. So I got 48 hours of credit towards and AS with Field of Study in Comp. Sci. before I graduated from high school last year. Then I tried taking some more courses this last year, but my god, I was burnt the hell out (Lone Star College is a good college, the burnout mostly came from some bad professers and bad class setup, as well as taking needless classes like Physics and Calculus when I just want to get into coding and computers). Wasted a whole year. Now, I'm doing a web development bootcamp (which takes SIX MONTHS) for around the same price as if I had spent a whole TWO YEARS at my community college. Not only that, but I'll get some good hiring help and get a job right away, whereas if I got the A.S. of Computer Science employers would be like "Hurr durr you don't have a Bachelors or higher Gtfo". Here's how I would rank everything: 4 year university: Largely BS (pun intended) unless you are really smart and get a ton of scholarships. I have a super smart friend who took this route and is doing very well, but I don't recommend you do it if you are dissatisfied with the way most college treats its students in general and the exorbitant prices you have to pay 2 year college, with maybe a transfer to a 4 year college after the first 2 years: This is what I had planned to do, and it makes sense and saves you money. The reason I dropped out was because all the excess math related classes that I had to take for a degree to get me a job where I would just code and program was burning me out. That's the downside to regular colleges, no matter what: their degree plan will require you to take many classes that will be of no use to you once you are in the workforce Career college, bootcamp, intensive training course, etc: I highly recommend doing this. Like those technical institute ads you see on RUclips. Or the coding bootcamp I'm doing now. Or the trade school Gamez enrolled in. Or what praxis does where they get you an internship. This not only saves you a TON of money, but it prepares you for your career without wasting your time. You save money, you save time, AND you don't give your money to the big colleges. If more people do this/know about this, they will save their money, more people will be educated and not so far in debt, and the big colleges will slowly lose money and credibility, and we won't have crazy ideas like free college, because college will be a forgotten concept.
Ive had high school teachers and administrators tell my kids "you wont amount to anything if you dont go to college". They do this so the high school can brag about how many of the students "go on to college". They dont give a shit about my kids and would happily sell them out to a mountain of debt in order to meet their numbers. No concern as to whether my kids are cut out for college or where their actual aptitudes lie.
This is nonsense. College wouldn’t be “free” they would choose to invest in certain students. War is not free. Societies chooses to bear the cost. The need for everyone to go to college should de-emphasized as its not for everyone. Making college “free” would take away the incentive/scam of going to college in the first place.
Free College is stupid. Your degree is only certified in countries that have free college. Graduate and go waaaaay north. Have fun learning a new language.
Trade schools have come back into a positive light, and I know many high schools in my area that have a connection with one. There are plenty of students that will graduate HS with a certification in a certain field and can easily out earn many recent college graduates. This video doesn't track past Praxis students compared to a college graduate with the same training which leaves many unanswered questions. I also believe college is a good tool to explore different academic/career interests and if done well only adds more value to the degree.
The problem will be that if college becomes "free" you can be assured that the college option will be the first choice. If told you can go an easy route for free or a difficult route even though you will be paid human nature will look to the easy route.
I think the government shouldn't be insuring student loans. They should allow banks to lend directly to consumers based on the degree and the students grades. This would force colleges to lower prices as banks won't be willing to lend 40k for a gender studies degree.
If you look at all countries with free college, it's highly selective. If you don't have grades "good enough" for the free college you have to pay for a private one.
COLLEGE is a terrible idea: 6 years of my life down the toilet for nothing. Complete waste of time and money. There's nothing you can learn in an academic context you can't teach yourself in a quarter of the time with a lot less misery. As for the "shit ticket"? My military discharge card was more use to me in the end. I have my present job (5 years now, longest job I've ever held) thanks to that. My degree never helped me, in any way. 2016 I tore it up and threw it out.
@@TheHigherVoltage Good for you. So would I... But believe me, all those impressive-looking shit-tickets on your doctor or dentist's wall are no guarantee of competence. I speak from bitter experience. Meanwhile aside from the Health Professions I defy you to prove to me University is anything other than an unconscionable waste of time and money, a massive shakedown racket and a fraud. "The Personal MBA" sets out the economics of obtaining an MBA Degree, and it ain't pretty: As of a decade ago, you were looking at $200K of debt, and unless your shit-ticket was from an Ivy League, don't even bother, 'cause they won't even interview you... as for Medicine? I have a friend, did the medical gauntlet... He was THIRTY ONE, THIRTEEN YEARS after high school! Before he got all his shit-tickets, licenses and permissions to practice... As a family doctor.. he never specialized = how many more years wasted? ... 🙄
@@Roypb01 " all those impressive-looking shit-tickets on your doctor or dentist's wall are no guarantee of competence." Name anything that is a guarantee of competence. I'm curious what that's suppose to be considering no one is perfect and we all make mistakes. Personally, I'd rather go to a doctor who's been to years of school, and had to pass a boat load of tests, than someone who 'feels' they are more qualified because they read some articles on the internet. It seems logical that my odds of getting effective diagnosis and treatment is substantially higher with someone who went to school for it compared to someone who didn't. " I defy you to prove to me University is anything other than an unconscionable waste of time and money" Personally, I'm glad our bridges and buildings are designed by university graduate engineers. I would imagine that if you stayed in school longer, you'd know that it's not up to others to prove your beliefs wrong...it's up to you to be able to prove your beliefs right..
TheHigherVoltage theres two dentist I trust. A dentist that has experience in the field A dentist that doesn’t have a degree but has experience in the field. If you’re just out of fucking college that done nothing but studying then how can I trust you to actually perform pulling my teeth out?
@@TheHigherVoltage Many people just do not understand how much doctors and engineers have to learn. Like that circle of knowledge, the smaller the circle of your knowledge, the smaller its perimeter that represents things you know you do not know. Also the learning process needs to be structured by somebody who already knows the profession. There are plenty of engineering books out there now even available for free in the net, but you first need to know What exactly you need to know and How you should apply it.
"Young people should have more access to early professional opportunity." Yes, but until then most of them are going to have to get a degree to get escape the nightmare that is the American lower class. You can't go to a trade school to be a doctor or a lawyer, or a computer technician, or a chemist, the list goes on. And I'm happy to see that even this video acknowledges that colleges are too expensive for those that do have to go, even if it refuses to draw the obvious conclusion that public colleges should be made less expensive.
I’m a freshman at college and I know the percentage of people who are successful after dropping out is 0.0001% not everyone succeeds and if someone goes to college (Like me) is because I do well on studying with professor who teach me stuff that I cannot self teach me. People will tell me to dropout but, as population grows and as soon as jobs are getting filled they will start requiring degrees and competitiveness. I’m not saying that if you drop out your life is over. You still go to college if you want, it’s not late BUT be smart about it. Don’t take loans and live on college because that will make your life miserable instead, just sing ing to your local college and go there. The reason why many students fail and dropout is not because of studying is because they work thus they can’t concentrate and they learn nothing. Is not what the college can do for you but, what you can do with the college.
I don't doubt that some mechanics make good money. I chose to go to college because I wanted to work while sitting, in a climate-controlled environment, moving only my fingers, and to not need a shower when I get home. Different strokes
The problem has been that student loans were available. So colleges raised their prices, without limit. In the 1940's, one could work, and go through college- with no debt. My father did it. Colleges don't teach nearly as much as they used to.
"College" is NOT the same as "University." Many colleges offer trade and certificate programs, while universities offer traditional studies meant to lay the groundwork for graduate program research. So, yes, free college WOULD BE massively beneficial to the economy, regardless if the student wishes to be a researcher or practitioner.
I would note that the Sanders plan seems to include trade schools. From berniesanders.com/issues/free-college-cancel-debt/ "Pass the College for All Act to provide at least $48 billion per year to eliminate tuition and fees at four-year public colleges and universities, tribal colleges, community colleges, trade schools, and apprenticeship programs. Everyone deserves the right to a good higher education if they choose to pursue it, no matter their income."
I must agree with this video. Some career fields require a college degree which is fine. Yet most people will have a college degree but end up in a different career fields that a college degree wasn’t required. I dropped out of college and succeeded well. My friends didn’t go my route and are still soul searching at the age of 40. Go to college if you don’t have a direction in life, or if you want to be a doctor, then college is a must. If not going to college, you must be a people person. Be well rounded and doors will open. Make sure you have the drive to succeed in what you want in life. Understand financial literacy. Work hard and smart when your young because taking risk at an older age is a big gamble. Overall, life is wonderful!
It's really not for everyone, but corporations and universities are in it together to get that money. I opted out of college because I didn't want to work and go to school. At the time I started my current job, 23 years ago, a college degree wasn't a requirement although you did have to take a test and pass with an 80-85% minimum to get selected. After a few years, I realized there were people working with me who earned Bachelor degree and higher, earning the same amount as I was making. Now you need at a minimum an Associate's degree or five years experience in this field in addition to passing the written test and background check to get the same job. So I don't regret my decision. I only encourage younger people like my siblings, family members, etc. to go to college because its almost a prerequisite and you have more options. Trade schools are also a viable option, using the mechanic for example, especially if you already have a passion for it. As long as people drive vehicles and we use machines they will always be indispensable. I'm glad he recognized that before wasting a lot of money on something he wasn't that interested in doing and look at him now. Some of those teachers that tried to discourage him probably can't even afford some of the cars he repairs. Most importantly, if you choose the college route, make sure it's a degree that will pay for itself in the long run. For example, a Master's degree in Art history is nice if you're just interested in learning, but I don't know about the earning potential. Especially once you graduate, those loans start to become due, and you can't even find a job earning enough to survive and pay back those loans.
I went to culinary school in the morning, paid for it myself while bartending at night. Now 125k salary working as a private chef. University was not for me.
Look at Europe, they got "free" education and ALL of their colleges are garbage. Free almost always means poor in quality.
@@TheManinBlack9054 are you kidding they are all garbage?😂
Based!
How on earth make that much ?
And that’s ok. It’s a shame that our society frowns upon us when we chose not to go to university.
"It's not a successful career" unnntil you car breaks down and then you're hurling all kinds of money at your mechanic until it gets rolling again.
K A Nobody does that!? Though I’ve seen a lot of people throwing money at Gender Studies graduates for feminist ideas to comfort people when their car breaks down and blame the patriarchy for it.
A good diesel mechanic makes $150,000
@@phoenix5054 Of course people are going to pay to fix their car, a mechanic provides a service where people have a need. Gender studies & various grievance studies degrees doesn't really provide a student with any marketable skill beyond teaching the same material, but there isn't sufficient demand for every graduate to become a gender studies professor. That's why they just turn around and demand that the schools create positions for them, like "diversity officer" or "director of equity and inclusion" which they are happy to do because guaranteed student loans are essentially a blank check from the government. But that isn't a real demand, it wouldn't exist in an actual free market
I bought a used, modified BMW at 30. I'm pretty sure I put my mechanic's son thru 3 of his 4 years of engineering school.
K A . “Hurling”... lol! No kidding!
If you think college is expensive now, just wait until it's "free." As Mike Rowe says, "We are lending money we don’t have to kids who can’t pay it back to train them for jobs that no longer exist.”
The fed creates money out of thin air. Then lends it to banks who create more money from thin air. It's not real. And we have plenty of magic money for the military so we can bomb the poorest people on the planet. Shitheads like you are a perfect example of why we need to educate the population.
Get the government out of EVERY business & school, no government money, then let the ones that will fail or go under do so. No bailouts. Nothing is to big to fail, the market will fill in the void, it happens every time.
@Astrah Cat LOL
@@adamthompson9286 LOL, so a quality education should only go to the rich?
@@kellymcgowan3547 A lot of college get hired all the time. You may want to do some research.
Buy stock in beer, condoms, and milk crates if college becomes free!
Stock options on Budweiser, here we go!
Germany has free uni' s only diverent is that not a Kinder gaden like the USA One.
@@Haseo92 The Tech Sector is a growing field of study, I’d also buy up frozen Hot Pockets and external battery packs.
@@maxpower4964 True - most American college kids don't know what Rudolf-Steiner-Schule be.
Students in the USA binge drink more than German ones...
"Free College" is just 4 more years of high school.
how is that a bad thing? "Free high school is just 4 more years of middle school."
What a stupid video.
R0mulus Who is going to pay for this, you fool? Taxpayers. That is who. “Free” things are not nearly so valued as something you must pay for yourself. Look up ANY psychological study. Government school is failing miserably already, hence the crazy increase in home schooling. Finally, I consider Government and Colleges these days as “left wing indoctrination centers” - Why do you think socialism is so popular with kids these days?
@@Maybe-So I would imagine socialistic ideologies are popular with kids these days for the same reason it's been popular with kids and most adults for almost 100 years...it the counterbalance to unregulated, capitalistic models that inevitably end in economic slavery for the majority of citizens.
"Free” things are not nearly so valued as something you must pay for yourself. "
Pretty sure most thinking people would agree that socialized (ie. 'free') water, police and fire services, roadways, infrastructure and garbage disposal, just to name a few obvious things, are valued more when people aren't paying extra for the never-ending inflation of higher capitalistic profit margins.
Government schools aren't failing across the planet - they are just failing largely in the USA. To be blunt, I believe this is largely do to US conservative and religious interests, as they both require a large and miseducated supporter base to grow power, that started during the Reagan administration, and continues on today.
@@TheHigherVoltage lol right out of pamphlets, maybe grab some history books and form your own opinion.
The 2 year Associates of Applied Science I just earned from a community college will be more beneficial in the long run than the 4 years I spent at a State college at 1/8 the price. I already have a job in my field of study. For the win.
mollywatch So you want that doctor, operating on you in the emergency room not to have higher education, Or the structural engineer who designed the bridge you drive over every day with your family not to have higher education
@@peterpan8263 I was speaking 100% in the first person, referring to my own personal experience exclusively, in case you didn't notice. I'm not quite sure what you *think* I said. I made a decision, and after following through with it, those were my results, period. YMMV, fair enough?
@@peterpan8263 I know plenty of stupid doctors who have lots of good paperwork. Spending a lot of time learning something doesn't necessarily make you proficient.
I have an AAS too. I worked as a government contractor and then for a law office.
Community colleges are so underated.
If they want free college than they should put a salary cap on administrative and professors.
Look at Europe, they got "free" education and ALL of their colleges are garbage. Free almost always means poor in quality.
@@TheManinBlack9054 European colleges are Garbage? Really ? I have studied in a Free European college and it is much much better than a paid american college
And they have to get more conservative professors
@@therationalagnostic2735 they are indeed, Americans have a problem recognizing that Europe's social democracies have pros too
@@TheManinBlack9054 I don't know where you got that, but it's simply not true.
This was an enjoyable watch but it was less about free college and more about averting college all together, which is a legitimate strategy.
Geoffrey Morsman I think it was implied that if college is worth averting, than the government shouldn’t invest in it.
stupid video
So college isn't for everyone, and isn't teaching everything needed for working. Great, I already believed that. But as a computer engineer, it was invaluable for what I do. You need to know the basics before understanding the complex. So free college for people who want/need it?
@@soulfuzz368 Ah yes I suppose so. The idea of college "investing" in college is so foolish to me, what is the role of government deciding who does and doesn't go to college?
@@johnfvick I agree that college is necessary for several careers, I wouldn't want someone designing my public infrastructure without a college degree, but how do we decide who gets it for free?
Nothing is free........
And trust me the level of ‘education’ in most of these college courses is absolutely pathetic........
Not mention if you think college is expensive now wait till it's "free". College will charge more if the government paying
>pay 50k for a degree worth about 1,000 in actual knowledge!
America!!
Dur that is why the info needs to be free anyway.
Look at Europe, they got "free" education and ALL of their colleges are garbage. Free almost always means poor in quality.
TheCreaterKeygen no there not in the uk
You know countries that cover college usually restrict it to jobs that actually need degrees, like teachers, doctors, higher management and government jobs.
European colleges are also bare bones entities that don't spend millions on cushy dorms and amenities or sports teams or bloated administration and faculty salaries and pensions. The feds need to get out of backing student loans and make the colleges financially liable for them. Then they might be more attentive to who's really capable and what degrees are necessary. It would be a great day to see millions of extremist SJWs out of a job.
Mhm. On point right there.
@@jamilasmith7306 Exactly, the college i attended in Ireland was bare bones but had everything i needed to get through college. On my first day of college i was shell shocked at how different it was to what college was in the media.
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That‘s complete bullshit. I grew up in Germany and they don‘t restrict anything. It‘s about that „crazy“ idea that education should be affordable for everybody and not just for those who were blessed enough to have rich parents.
@@s_h136 nope. What exactly do you mean by, "I grew up in Germany?" Does that mean you did not go to college in Germany? You're calling bs on the OP because, "Germany doesn't restrict anything" but it smells like you're the one shitting us, friend.
Say you have a 3 story house. The foundation's giving out, the windows are broken, the siding is falling off. But, instead of fixing all those things, you decide to you're going to add a 4th story. People would think you were absolutely insane.
We need to fix the educational system we have now, before we even think about adding another layer to that. "Free" college would only benefit the middle and higher classes. It would do nothing to benefit the lower classes. How can you go to college when you can't read past the 5th grade level and will most likely drop out at your earliest opportunity?
free college hurts everyone. in no way does it benefit upper classes. quite the opposite, it degrades the value of their education by anding out diplomas to the unworthy. stop blaming successful people for everything.
@@DieselRamcharger it's not a matter of blaming successful people, those who are successful don't need help paying for college. Those who are not successful will not benefit from the free ride.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD lol how many people are successful before college therefore pay their own way? you're a moron. plain and simple. your parents hard work wasn't a sin. no one needs help paying for a college education. college can't teach you anything you can't learn on your own. education isn't disseminated from concrete buildings, its a product of experience. Poor people are poor because of who they are. They are not who they are because they are poor. Any excuse you make trying to obscure that fact, is a lie.
On the analogy of the 3 storey house, you would fix the problems before building the 4th floor addition
@@DieselRamcharger how am I a moron? OP said that middle to high income families would send their kids in a free ride to college, while impoverished families would have trouble sending their kids to college even if it was free. He's 100% right. Nobody is blaming successful people.
"your parents hard work wasn't a sin." - nobody said it was, would you please stop saying things unrelated to the topic?
0:19 he worked with his dad
Most parents won’t help there kids like that
This kid is lucky
Most Kids are awful to be around. Mainly bcause mothers are no longer raising the kids at home...
The Dashing Rogue it’s cause he’s Hispanic. We have a different culture when it comes to work we tend to help our parents than to be individualistic and do our things like Americans do.
@@kevinreyes6633The same goes with Asians like me who are family-oriented. Asian parents go a mile to help their children and in return it is expected that children will also help their parents especially in their old age. And the cycle continues in the next generation.
@@kevinreyes6633 It could also have a negative effects when hispanic parents meddle too much in personal matters. They think they own their children and are too sniffy, intruding and metiches.
Same here I work with my dad in his profession
I didn't go to college until my 30's. I got made fun of for going to college so old. What they thought was I was a thirty something working three minial jobs. What they didn't know was that I delayed college because I already had a successful career. And because of that, I was able to carefully choose classes I felt would actually help. I graduated debt free.
That’s pretty smart you should take your time.
Anyone I knew who was older that attended seemed to have something useful under their belt, and for me the better part about it is they knew what they wanted and their sense of what to do next seemed a much more solid foundation than the shallow dweebs that made fun of them without even bothering to know anything about them. Really simply to make themselves feel better. But that's the kind of world we live in. The other spectrum were the ones who decided to change careers, and really that's just realistic cause sometimes it happens. I don't understand why we have to make people feel bad for finding out later on what they first chose was just not the right fit and pursuing something else is just fine.
I wanted to take a break, but was pressured into it. I ended up super depressed, dropped out with debt, and then went back paying out of my dad's pocket to a smaller college because I felt like such a failure and tried convincing myself to push through it as difficult as it was (cause I didn't agree to any of it). Ended up dropping out n I'm absolutely fine with it cause I made the best decision for myself and nobody else.
I'm from Switzerland and we have pretty cheap collages. First I wanted to disagree with your statement. But after watching your video I remembered, that your school system is garbage. Them being free doesn't really make anything better, that is true.
Here in Switzerland about 70% of all students attend an apprenticeship instead of the high school. This gives you work experience and prepares you for university, if you care to do that. Our flexibility in changing jobs and education is also very high. If the school system is good, having a cheap education only serves equality. That way poor people can also attend the best schools, if they are smart enough.
This.
If the education system of your country is utter garbage like America, doing shit like making it “””free””” doesn’t equate to higher chances of landing a job.
Jen Rosas because those universities or colleges aren’t RUN BY THE UNRELIABLE GOVERNMENT
Jen Rosas
>they’re a few
Case close the government isn’t the type of people you’d trust the education system on for the betterment of the country.
It's getting worse because they are hiring expensive administrators for identity groups to cater to minority groups and say everything is racist and they are giving professor jobs to ignorant people who sound like they're in the hood. They are making it extremely easy for POC students to get into school even if they are immature, or incompetent. As long as they aren't Asian or white. They now have screaming at the professors at Yale over Halloween costumes, hate crime hoaxes, even kidnapping of professors who do not do what they want and demanding schools fire professors who don't do what they want. They are self important and entitled, they are rude and stupid and they give then degrees! How are we supposed to know who is competent based on their education? We can't because of this. Its terrible for POC who actually have earned their degrees because everyone is going to think they are unqualified
@Jen Rosas USE, UK Switzerland and Singapore are the only countries in the top 20 when you look at universities (2019). And most of them are form USA. Congrats!
Politicians pushing 'free college for all' not only ignore that not everyone is not a good fit for college, but they *NEVER* suggest how it will be paid for.
@Crosshair:
True that, but they know that they'll get de-funded if they so much as suggest that.
@Crosshair:
Their Deep State backers, o/c.
@Crosshair:
Bernie might've said that; doesn't mean it's true. He's a politician, after all.
And also not everyone wants to be in college wasting their time studying something that might be impractical or useless. In the video Bryan Caplan himself an economist with two degrees to his name even said that a lot of what students learn in school will be irrelevant in life because he/she will never use it. His book shown in the video is titled "The Case against Education: Why the Education System Is a Waste of Time and Money."
He is stating the very thing that the colleges/universities don't want you to know or believe. That a lot of what passes for education is just plain useless and unecessary.
@Crosshair Who'll defund them? The army generals, the college stakeholders, the Billionaires everyone. This is why Berny Sanders could never become anything more than a junior senator.
I've been hearing this same thing for over 10 years now and yet nothing has changed except the price of tuition continues to go up.
Of course, and all those evil greedy student loan companies are now gone by law.
And the kids have gotten exponentially stupider.
Price of tuition rising over time is a total misconception. The flat price of tuition is rising, but colleges are offering more and more financial aid than ever before, so most middle-class citizens aren't paying anywhere near that number, given that they have the appropriate academic record to back it. Even high-income domestic students are offered some financial aid, on the basis that they will supposedly feel more "wanted" at that school. The only people paying full tuition are international students (predominantly Chinese, but they come from everywhere across the world), who allow the colleges to offer lower prices to domestic students. Granted, the process of college tuition and admissions is still broken in a dozen other ways.
Xdye there is plenty of people paying full tuition and taking out massive loans. The prices of books has gone up exponentially as well:.
@@KD-vg2yn Coming back to my comment 2 weeks later, I realize I was definitely underestimating the amount of student debt people on average accrue (the median, I found, was $17,000). I was definitely wrong about that. My apologies!
The exception to this trend, though, which led me to making this mistake, was in regards to elite private colleges, like the Ivy League schools and prestigious liberal arts colleges. Schools that have large endowments and lots of resources often give scholarships even to high-income families, as it's statistically proven to make them more likely to choose to attend there. Coming from a lower-middle class income myself, I used a financial aid calculator for one of these colleges recently, and its estimate was that I would pay only a few thousand dollars out of the $70,000 tuition fee per year.
The main benefactors of four year colleges is not the students; it's the faculty, the textbook industry, the sports teams, the campus investments, and the investment funds that are held. College has basically gone corporate.
Exactly.
Couldn't agree more. Which is why they have a vested interest in brainwashing you to believe that without them you will not get very far in life and will never be successful. That's why they want everyone in college. No competition from trade schools, apprenticeship programs, on the job training, military etc. That's what they would want. More tuition money they can suck out of gullible students.
Jason Lee uk had free college.........
@@themightypars4453 But how good was that? Because something is free doesn't mean it's good quality. Was it really free? Or did the government tax you higher in order to provide that free education.
Like offering free medical care. In order to provide that the government would have to raise your taxes in order to provide such free services.
Because in reality nothing is really given free. Somewhere somehow you will have to pay for it.
There is a large volume of employers who will NOT CONSIDER job candidates who don't have a four-year degree....yet the job task doesn't really require one. Not much discussion as to "why".....
Stop sending and encouraging kids who don't belong there to college.
@@mossfloss Anyone who is honest will, many dropouts will say it themselves because they went because they were encouraged by their high school or expected to by their parents.
Making college free means you can drop out if needed without chasing after sunk costs.
@@MrCmon113 It's a sunk cost for the taxpayer. Whether you stay in college or not, you'll be paying for it when you get your first paycheck. Why don't you understand that you will inevitably share in the cost?
Yeah they don't tell you about all the alternatives to college. When I was in school they made it sound like there was no other way and that there was no other ways to learn other skills for other jobs.
@@mossfloss The young adults should have a choice wouldn't you say? If they really don't want to be there, how productive do you think they will be? Also the resources that the person who doesn't want to be there is using could be used by the next person who actually loves their education and respects being there. There are other means of being a great productive member of society and College shouldn't shoved down your throat as the only option. In fact this shows how much guidance counselors are failing at their jobs not actually walking these young people down every Avenue of possibility before they make these decisions.
High School is already free, and nearly worth the price. Not really, it's a huge waste of time. Daycare, at best.
Because it has a structure that doesn't work well with young minds. They try to force something down the throat and then when gasping for air they tell you that you can't succeed unless you keep choking. Which is patently false.
Education needs a hip check.
Enjoy Boot Camp!
Daycare and indoctrination.
Wrong, High School is not free. When you buy a home you will see the charges on your property tax bill.
Instead of employers wanting candidates to "tell them what they know," it ought to be more like, "show me what you can do" in order for them to be hired. Some college may come in handy, but learning how to do something should be the focus instead of completing several book learning courses and passing the required tests. Most of it is a waste of time and resources, especially when the school is not up to grade for what the companies expect from their potential employees.
Kevin C well I think it’s up to the country and how their system is set up.
Here in Germany you can go into a 3 year Job training after finish the 10th Class (15-16 Years)
The Jobs vary from Craftsman Jobs (Technician) to Service Jobs (Banker) or you do 3 years Highschool wich qualifies you for University and training Jobs with more responsibilities wich are also higher paid like Pilot, Air Traffic Controller (7000€/month before tax; highest paid training job)
If you choose to study, you can choose between normal University wich concentrates on R&D and Specialized University wich concentrates to work in the economy, but both Universities are bound to internships in Companies and other specialized trainings.
So students know where to work or for what they are working.
So tuition free colleges are here in Germany relative efficient, wich has increased social mobility and made the Nordic countries on of the most productive and highly educated people, where it’s easier for everyone to increase productivity and because real-wages are bound to productivity increase, it in everyone’s benefit, to help even the poorest and weakest of the country.
@@sharann3482 sounds like your officials are doing a great job in giving kids and adults a good head start.
Kevin C yeah and it took years and with Bernie, America is at a good position to reclaim its front runner position.
exactly. I wasted years "studying".
If you do more than a half assed single Google search you'd find a college that does that.
Yep, free college would be a terrible idea. It would make a bachelor's degree worthless and everyone would be hired based on if you had a Master's degree.
Right. and having a nation of smart people is also terrible. Imagine that.
If college was free you would diminish the value of the degree, but thats not really a problem is it. You dont feel that just cause everyone goes through middle and highschool makes the education less valuable? Maybe we should just let 20% of all people go to school all together, so they have better chances at getting a job. good idea.
@@SilentD1 college most of the time does not produce good working citizens unless you go into a trade field or a directly targeted course for what you want. High school is good for the basic abilities of a person but even things like calculus prove useless to the average American. If everyone had a bachelors the people hiring would have to use a different criteria to hire as a bachelors wouldn’t guarantee a base set of competency like it should.
@@strategygaming5830 The point of having an educated population is not so they each have an advantage in life, but so that the country as a whole has a higher standard of "people" which then increases the productivity and tax playing force. I would not advise anyone to get an education that they have to pay for. If politicians dont see the value of me being smart, then I wont be. You may think that im the looser here, but in the end after I die, you are still stuck with a population thats too stupid to make progress.
@@SilentD1 unironically making non mandatory schooling would increase the quality of the schooling, provided that parents still get to make the choice of whether and where to send them. This is seen in private/charter schools and self selection is a great way to let a populace have education work for them. Of course I'm also a advocate for vouchers for school selection and lower tier trade schools for students that just dont get traditional book learning. decentralizing education would make education better overall and more practical.
there are countries where college is free and they only repay for it through taxes, those countries make foreign students pay or sign bonds
The BA I earned many decades ago had value if only because there were so few of them. That degree opened many doors for me which today are closed to anyone without the Master's degree necessary to even get an interview. A college graduate may have difficulty finding a job but a qualified plumber/electrician/carpenter/mechanic etc. can get a job in a heart beat.
@michael saju Qualified tradesmen can find jobs even in a bad economy while recent college grads are scrambling to find any job and paying off their student loans. The college grad who has a degree of value in a specific field- accounting, engineering, etc. can readily find employment. The graduate with a degree in gender/racial/ethnic/intersectional etc studies will be flipping burgers and pouring coffee if s/he can find any employment at all. The question is not if you have a degree but have you learned to do things which are of value to an employer?
@Someone :/ so people don't need plumbers, electricians, or mechanics if the economy is bad? Tell that to the pipes and power lines in my house or my car, because they dont seem to care what the economy is when they go bad. And I have no choice but to pay a professional to fix them.
And not all degrees, licenses, and credentials are transferrable to other states. You dont know what you are talking about.
@@wsc31 only 28% of american *STEM* majors have a *STEM* job btw...
Dropped out of college and went to a trade School for a year.
Making $50k a year
24 years old
no student loan Debt
50k aimt shit
We need more people in trade schools.
uchiabetrayer2 then Promote more union work They’re the most successful trade schools
@@peterpan8263 You don't have to be in a union to be successful in trade jobs. The days when unions were required are gone -- now they just price employees out of jobs and businesses out of existence. If you are actually worth anything to an employer, you can negotiate a higher salary than a union would get you (because you wouldn't be at the mercy of paying the union dues and would keep all of your money). The only people who actually want unions are people who aren't worth that much so they want a mob rule where the salary they are not worth is forced to be paid.
Dump Union’s they have outlived their usefulness
A hugely misleading title of this video. Should be "Why Apprentice Schools Might Be Better for You than a College". This video is populistic.
Are you complaining because it is populistic or because you wanted to watch a video about why free college is a terrible? Personally, I would rather watch an uplifting story about getting around the indoctrinating four-year university system and making a lot of money in the process. I would hope that as the universities teach less useful things more people realize that trade schools are not beneath them and there is a lot of money to me made for trade people no matter what the elitist "educated" assholes think.
I understand that as a non libertarian, you might not be attuned to view the world in terms of supply and demand. Bringing awareness to such will lower costs without increasing the cost of living. Why? Because it advertises new forms of supply to make up the demand, thus the demand for college reduces, thus forcing colleges to reduce cost to compete for the students.
I hate the argument that cost keeps people from attending or succeeding in college. Community colleges are dirt cheap, flexible with the amount of courses someone can take, and the faculty are more available to help students because they aren't trying to juggle grad students or research projects. The first two years of courses like English 101 and college algebra aren't taught any different at CCs then they are at pricey liberal arts colleges, or the Ivy league. The low cost makes it easy for low income students to fund 100% with Pell Grants, and have built in automatic acceptance programs with in state four year institutions. Many even have agreements with public universities to complete bachelor's degrees on site which leads to reduced cost.
yo i never knew they existed tbh, thanks for your comment
@@heuganian7252 Glad to help. In the US at least every area has a community college with in person and online classes. The way we're conditioned to think about post high school education encourages people to look down on them, but most are excellent options for getting through your basic college prerequisites. College Algebra isn't taught any differently at Bumfuck Nowhere Community College than it is at MIT, English 101 at Harvard, etc. I'd say they actually teach it better because community colleges have smaller class sizes, and faculty that are there solely to teach without having to juggle research so they can gain/maintain tenure. Community colleges make college education accessible and affordable for most Americans. The problem is we are used to viewing colleges in terms of prestige, and so CCs are looked down on for no reason. It's similar to how people are taught to view trade school even though the trades often pay better than jobs requiring college degrees.
How long till 'no child left behind' is expanded to adult daycares?
English major here.
The university system was created to teach literacy, history, and theology. It was a way to further your own understanding by being surrounded by scholars who understood. They were places of study and research. "Academic."
The idea that this evolved into a way of getting a job is interesting. Personally, I think colleges should stick to the academics and arts, then maybe have sister colleges that teach STEM fields. Academia is a noble pursuit, but it should not carry the expectation of a job.
Will D. Skies Hello, I’d like a double pounder cheeseburger with fries and a coke, please. Oh, and extra ketchup.
@@nicolasleroux5302 Nah man, but I can get you a towel because I work at a gym and freelance edit on the side.
Engineering major here. Academia does guarantee a high paying job. Your problem was your major. Ain't nobody getting paid off an English degree. What is the difference between a pizza and an english degree??
A pizza can feed a family of four.
@@vanbikeskiandfishboilermak1516 agreed. Unless you want to go into law. A English degree can be helpful for that.
Right after high school I joined the Navy and worked as an aviation electronics technician. I got out and got a job fixing radars. I've made well over 100K for the last 10 years. I went to school after the Navy as well and got a bachelor's degree in business management. I can honestly say the degree has not given me one single advantage on where I stand now. I got the degree just because I wanted to take advantage of my GI Bill.
There is people that want to go to college fr studying things like Law
There are times when college itself is a terrible idea.
If it's not the STEM studies, it's a terrible idea. Everything else can be done at two year, trade schools or apprenticeships.
@@mortimerbrewster3671
How much "advanced" education can be done online, away from a traditional a brick and mortar college institution?
@@jeffersonianideal I know someone working on getting his college degree and will not be stepping into a classroom at all --- all of it online.
@@mortimerbrewster3671
Bravo to him. One day, the only reason colleges and universities will exist is to provide a place for student athletes to hone their football and basketball skills before hitting the professional arena.
@@randallN-sw6ee You jumped to the wrong conclusion. My point is not the everyone who goes to college should study STEM. My point is that if it's not STEM, don't do a four year university. The education system needs to be overhauled so that jobs that do not ACTUALLY require higher education should not require degrees. I never used anything I learned from university for any of my jobs but all have required degrees. I took a few classes to learn a few things in accounting that could and is taught in community college.
Also, imagine being one of the STEMs that many are already spending 6-12 years of study being able to get rid of the unnecessary classes, reducing their debt and their age that they can start working and earning a salary. That would be a huge benefit to them as well.
Why is everyone ignoring one crucial element, everything the government funds or subsidizes decreases in quality and increases in price. It's a measurable fact.
The real issue is if all student loans are forgiven at once. Just imagine the inflation from the trillions in cash pumped into society
@@stevencooper4422 … cash is pumped into the economy all the time,.
4.5 trillion dollar bank bailout - No inflation
1.5 trillion to forgive student debt plus all the money people were paying for their student loans they can now spend in the economy and not just send it to a bank - and this you think will cause inflation?
Name a few things the Government is subsidizing that has "increased in price".
@@thetayterminator1436 there is no inflation because the wealth is captured in economic bubbles. when the people cant take any more debt to purchase the over inflated assets from the excess printed money, the bubble pops and everyone who bought in and didnt get out loses their money, mostly the middle class.
@@thetayterminator1436 Education is the biggest example. The cost of eaching a single child in any district has increased substantially since government has become more and more involved with the education system. Yes, many people say it is state funding and not federal, but look at college tuition costs (which is federal secured loans) prices have ballooned there as well. Lets not get into infalted costs for businesses to hire and maintain workers blowing out small - middle class businesses. the reason local businesses cant compete with Walmart and Target is the government.
Only free schooling should be in STEM majors..Useless degrees do not help anyone except overpaid professors..
Also Law
I hardly ever use anything I learned in college, and I didn't even attend any classes ending in the word studies.
@Transgenda Gubament Гуманитарии...
I almost on daily basis use what I learned in college. Just because you don't use it it doesn't mean it's useless
@@realdragon it really depends on what you major in. It sounds like you took the hard road - i.e. engineering or something similiar!
@@sierrachoco5271 Astronomy, but there are many other studies that also require knowledge from college like medicine, law, nurcery, mathematics. TBH if you work in a field of your studies you will use that knowledge on daily basis
@@realdragon well said!
The professor's basic point is correct, College/University does not prepare people for real jobs.
1) However, education is a goal in an of itself. The demands of a capitalist economy should not be the only measure of wheather an education is successful or not.
2) The critique here should be that we reform how college and university are taught to be more relevant to our society. Not supporting the pay wall.
3) Nearly every person calling for free college also calls for free trade school.
Conclusion: the arguments presented in this video are weak and do not give reason to doubt free education to all willing to work for it.
Free college would just enable the abuse that's already visible to everyone.
It’s visible to some but the vast majority don’t see it.
Hey guys fit me in. What abuse is visible???
@@almasshussein6999 If you have to ask, you aren't paying close enough attention....
Free ANYTHING means that the quality will decrease and the real cost (to taxpayers) rise. Inevitable. The people concerned are not the actual stakeholders. Public K-12 schools are obsolete, too. I can't tell you how many uneducated people I've seen complete the entire K-12 program in 2 or 3 years. You just have to want it and have enough talent. And with the Internet, it'd cost you next to nothing to do just that.
Would Warren have taken a pay cut to help make college free?
No, why would she do what she preaches? Most of her money is conveniently under capital gains tax. I'll never trust someone who won't lead their policy by example.
Typical high school should end at the 10th grade. The next 2 years should either be spent at a community college doing General Ed for those destined for college (but even that should be cut way back), and other kids should be learning a trade through a program and/or an apprenticeship. By age 18, all those trade school kids should be earning a living wage doing more than flipping burgers, and the rest should be just 2 years away from a bachelors degree (or a little longer for tougher degrees). The point is that student debt should be cut dramatically as kids not meant for college won't be pushed that route, and kids that are meant for college are there for far less time.
Simple supply and demand tells us that an excess supply of college degrees will drive the down the salary paid to people with college degrees. In other words, they will become a dime-a-dozen. So, people, once again will have to take additional courses on their own in order to differentiate themselves from the competition. Back at square one. Achieving a college degree should continue to be something special that only hard working, intelligent people achieve. The solution to the student debt problem is to eliminate student loans. Save up your money and then make a purchase. In general Loans are bad.
If college was free, it would have no value. Employers would start hiring people for new and unique programs and certificates they earned by paying. They don't care about grades. They care about the money and time you put in.
Good luck, we got too much bureaucracy and useful idiots that will vote otherwise.
THE MAIN TROUBLE WITH THIS IS THE ASSUMPTION THAT ONE GOES TO COLLEGE TO GET A JOB, whereas one goes to college to learn how to think. Almost everyone interviewed in the piece equated "going to college" with "getting a good paying job", including the PRAXIS entrepeneur , who is obviously cashing in on the whole morass. The smartest person in the piece is the guy who, after attending college for 2 years, learned how to "think", left and beccame a BMW mechanic. The notion that making public edication free, as it once used to be, means there will be so many BAQs "out there" that the job market will be flooded, thus requiring still more degrees. HaW. There is nothing wrong with going to college for four years in order to learn how to think by reading literature, history, science, mathematicas, and then, after graduating, splitting wood or repairing cars for a living--as long as college is tuition free.
In 1972 an engineering classmate of mine asked the department head what having a diploma meant to employers...he said a degree indicates to a prospective employer that you are TRAINABLE.
People get useless degrees at offensive costs. Imagine how many more will get them if there's no barrier to entry.
2 years of vocational school always ends up being useful, and the loans, (if any) easily payable. And you can always get hired as a mechanic, (good to great ones are always in demand) or just start your own place. The job is fun, full of variety, and satisfying on a daily basis. And you’re not stuck in an office cubicle. Pay can run from $40,000 and up to $80,000+ a year plus benefits depending on location.
Anecdotal information. I'm a retired job counselor and I used to get very irritated at fellow counselors who would suggest to people that they could always be a carpenter or mechanic. They had no idea of the problem solving involved in remodeling a building or fixing a car. Also how to get along with people. I love education, but to often we forget what real education includes.
Its not anecdotal. There are thousands of jobs in the skilled trades. And there will always be. Some of them pay very well without going into student loan debt to get them. College is not the right choice for everyone. To be "irritated" that counselors would recommend an alternative to a 4 year college, makes you part of the problem.
Mike Rowe is a legend
Old ass guy
the old "colleges will make society more productive" argument that completely ignores that all those countries that have "free" college are less productive and pay significantly less wages for any work that actually requires a college degree than America.
The problem, then, isn't "free college" but college.
I have a college degree and I tell people it was a huge waste of time and money.
I'm still working towards mine and I totally agree.
I did a bachelor's degree in electrical and electronic engineering - one of the best things I have done in my life.
@@englishpayerofgermantaxes8186 Engineering degrees I understand because lessons you learn in school can be applied to really world scenarios. I have a degree in film production and the job I have in the industry doesn't need a degree so it was a waste of time and money. However, when it comes to STEM type jobs a degree is necessary, anything outside of that is a waste of time that includes the arts and most social studies.
@@wildeagle5791
Perhaps you should badmouth your film class then and not college in general. No one has ever said that a university education is required for artists.
@@MrCmon113 Everyone has the basic understanding that STEM needs an education -- nothing else does. Lawyers think they do but a focused study at a community college and high enough LCATs could be the only requirements for law school and that problem would be taken care of.
My dad is a diesel mechanic and makes $90k with no college in a state with low COL. My best friend is a machinist making $50k at 24 years old with no college degree. The money is there if you don’t think you’re too good to do the job.
And willing to actually "work".
Not everybody is after money
Getting a degree does signal that you can persevere to finish what you started, but there are many ways to do that.
It is far, far better to learn a useful trade than to go into debt to get a useless degree. I'm betting here that people who view this video have a pretty good sense of the sort of degree I'm talking about. I have five degrees, and I've only ever actually worked in the field of one of them.
As a university professor, I encouraged students who were determined to stick it out to use their attendance to learn as much as possible and not be concerned about grades. This strategy nearly always resulted in solid skills and good job offers, often even before graduation. As a bonus, it also resulted in high grades.
That said, I often broke with my administration by honestly counseling a student that he or she might be better served to pursue another avenue rather than college.
In life there are no free lunches besides their aren’t enough Billionaires and Millionaires to pay for all that “free stuff”
Counter argument: you are at college to receive an education, not just a particular skill. Reading, writing (!!!!), critical thinking, problem solving, and communication, are a few important things most college students learn how to do in general education courses.
Being a well rounded, competent, intelligent person is just as important in the business world as learning a specific skillset, like finance or accounting
Agree! College education can broaden your perspectives. It is up to you, which major you choose. If you choose wisely, good. If not, do not blame college education as general!
Nonsense. You get that type of education through reading , interacting , assimilating , observing. Most liberal education students don’t even bother to visit a library. And that coming from a library rat as I was.
Bryan Caplan, Praxis, and Mike Rowe? This might be my favorite Reason video ever
In Belgium private companies don't really decide how much they pay you. They have to pay you in function of your diploma and years of experience. So basically whether you are good or not at your job is irrelevant.
As a former college employee, I can attest with certainty, that the markup on necessary textbooks and material is monopolistic and casts a dark shadow on how good Capitalism can be.
In addition, college executives do not deserve half-million dollar salaries, and presidents multi-million dollar ones. If executive wages (whose positions are almost purely nepotistic anyhow), were cut by merely 5-15%, college tuition could drop to ideally manageable levels.
The problem is that colleges are run like Gilded Age companies. We do not need some socialist revolution like Bernie Sanders would like you to think, their greed needs to be parried by anti-trust lawsuits, for the benefit of their customers, AKA the students. The beauty of trust-busting is to stop any oligarch or oligarchs from controlling an entire industry, whether that be oil, steel, transportation, technology, or in this case, college degrees.
Government interference is what caused the excessive spending on the beuarocratic structure. Guaranteed government loans that can not be removed in bankruptcy has allowed the prices to inflate far beyond what the market can support, hence why it's referred to as a bubble. No banker would ever give someone a quarter million to go to school for a $15 an hour social workers job if the government wasn't backing the loan. Sure textbooks are outrageous, if you buy them at the school so you can just add them to your debt. Price doesn't matter with a government backed loan, just do it the easy way and sign the pad and be on your way it's future you's problem.
The problems you described are problem with government interference, not with free market. I used to see things similar to you, then I spent a year studying history and economics on my own. For a few hundred on Audible I've gained more knowledge then the tens of thousands spent on school that I'm still paying off.
@Blashtifin Both sides are just as corrupt. I'd only argue that the leftist/socialist make it infinitely worse through government intervention.
On a side note, that's exactly what makes capitalism so great. It makes it so those selfish/greedy individuals provide something useful to society. If consumers dont like or want it then they don't buy it. If employees don't like their wages they are free to leave and find a better job.
@Blashtifin Except there is alternatives in all of those cases. You simply go to another provider of those services/products. The only issues that lead to overinflated prices are from unnecessary government regulation. Healthcare is a pretty good example of this. How do we bring in competition if it takes years to push in a new drug? All this does is give corporations a monopoly through government strong arming the competition out. Housing is in a similar state. Rent is too high so we need to produce multi-unit apartment complexes. Again, government regulation is making it harder than it needs to be which subsequently keeps the cost of housing high.
Well ya, if there isn't a way for a business owner to make a profit then there isn't a point in opening the doors in the first place. Employees aren't just guaranteed a part of the pie when they don't take on the risk. You're instead employed and given relative financial security for doing a particular task. Market socialism is just like you said, the employees actually take risk in the company they work in so they are given a portion of the profits. Not everyone wants to take on that kind of risk. Just the freedom of choice in action.
The only "oppressive singular regime dictating people's lives" is the government. A government of democratically elected officials who constantly make decisions in their own personal benefit and not of the people who elected them. These same elected officials have the monopoly of force on their side. I'm no anarchist but government overreach is just about always the underlining issue in so many these cases. Yet people are still spouting that we need more government for government created problems.
This right here is the video I want to watch.
@Blashtifin when you apply for a job, you agree to the pay or you don't and you move on, you're not forced to take it so bitching about the ceo making so much of your money doesn't hold water, and if socialism was so great, why do so many people from commie and socialist countries immigrate to a capitalist country? They all say it's for more opportunities and better life for their kids, because capitalism made it possible.
Have you seen tbe videos of people losing their minds over chicken sandwiches at Popeyes? Or waffle house, taco bell, and mcdonald's? We can't handle two hour long bread lines here
I'm an electronic technician by training. The most important thing I ever learned I learned as a teenager building and running RC cars. Corroded and loose connections, cold solder joints.
Fantastic piece by reason.
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No the reason is that no esay i Study in Germany(Fernuni hagen) and compare it to the pepel naw study in usa austalia and China to be onest wath tay have to do Past the Class is a joke.🤣🤣🤣 nobody Need you if you dont no enyting.
@@timluns what is this link supposed to be...
@@MandoFettOG LOL If you can't figure it out I can't help you buddy
@@timluns how a video regarding employment and education has anything to do with fox news and greece will never be clear to anyone... Good luck
If you want to be a car mechanic, and don't plan on going into car design at VW, Ford, Tesla or Toyota, then plainly you don't need BA. Just the trade school should suffice. And yes, you can get work in a nice service car shop. And have a place of your own eventually. This is not what Universities are for.
Anyway - the thing about free education is about removing barriers. Not necessarily Universities, but any/all education. Not "forcing" people either into Universities or trade schools. But not stopping them just because they cannot afford them. It will not fix everything, but for society at large, maybe it is worth it.
The problem is not free/paid/overpaid but quality education for those that will benefit from it.
Side notes:
Let's not forget that not all Universities are same. Why they make a difference? Example: a properly educated coder is worlds ahead of only self-taught, quite efficient, but limited coder. There is more to coding than just knowing languages (even many).
Meanwhile this vid looks a bit like a shill for Praxis. I don't argue they are not worth anything, but this is still more like an ad.
And about working your ass off - that's conformity to the greed driven business model.
If you think I support slacking etc., you miss the point.
With the quality of the liberal arts programs these days it’s kind of a waste of your 4 years...even if it is free.
Is liberal arts mandatory?
Nothing is for free.
Simple supply and demand. Flood the market with tertiary educated individuals and the value of those individuals decreases.
This is a little misleading. This logic may apply to, say, 50% of the high school graduates-who think of higher education as a vocational preparation opportunity. For others, going to college would be imperative in many ways. :earning about ostensibly “useless” and “irrelevant” topics WILL help them gain wider knowledge base, gain thinking skills, be exposed to a variety of perspectives (often left-leaning, but, still...), and satisfy their intellectual curiosity.
I support tuition assistance for degrees and programs that benefit our society. And, since the high schools have stopped teaching welding, wood working and other trades, how about providing assistance for trade schools? But, don't tax me just because someone wants to get a PhD in music appreciation.
Holy shit I just read the description and it’s a beautiful quote
100 percent
Many colleges today are offering courses and degrees that are basically worthless in the real world. Taking courses on philosophy, or socialogy and English might sound impressive but how many employers are looking for people with those degrees? In Indiana trade and technical skilled people are in high demand and can get a huge salary for the lower cost of trade or vocational college. I love archaeology but that field pays the lowest salary for the degree and making the taxpayers pay my tab is a little bit much.
The one guy living the American dream is the one who couldn't be offered anything by college.
5,000,000 people fighting over 300,000 jobs. That’s what free college would do
I've never understood why it's one or the other. We either encourage people to be more realistic and see higher education only as a means to specific ends or we make it free... Shouldn't it be both or neither? Increase the requirements to get in, remove all useless courses. Consider it an investment in society for high skill jobs that require further education the same way we do making sure everyone can read and write but encourage people to only do it if they know what they want to do with their lives? You can even throw in conditions like a few years working for the public sector in exchange like many European countries do.
I was recently traveling and spoke with someone from Germany. Her college was free, she studied for the sake of learning and enriching her perspective but also came out with an engineering degree. As she traveled and ran into so many millennials from the states, she just became more and more grateful for her country and how she had zero debt, and planned to head back to Germany and give back to the place that had given her so much. She saved up some money to travel before starting her job and was also saving for a house. This perspective is completely non-existant to people from the states
As someone who also has an eng degree and paid a ton for it in the states, I think we often confuse college with economic value. The idea of going to college to broaden my perspective and learn about the world was completely non existent to me. I looked at the cost and immediately thought, jeez I'm going to have a lot of debt when I graduate. So I better pick a degree that's really hard to pay off that debt. I was thinking that just like so many Americans... as a 17 year old............................
My point is, there is a lot of value in college as a time to explore and study things you're interested in and enrich your life and our whole culture that is not directly related to, making money. And there is nothing wrong with that just like there is nothing wrong with picking a major that will have a higher job placement and focusing on that. The problem is the cost has gotten way out of control and it's really unfair to bombard high schoolers with decisions and pull their strings to get them saddled with debt for wanting to learn. By creating a "free market system", we've unleashed greedy people/institutions to take advantage of people who want to learn and better our culture and their lives. In the case of the girl from Germany I met, she decided to become an engineer and put herself through tough classes when she knew her education was free and was just interested in that. Just like probably her classmates also chose different paths, based on what they were interested in, instead of many other factors. So in response to this video in general. I think the better question is do we think generalized education improves our culture, our world and the total output of a country, or is college solely for job placement? Because if it's solely for job placement, it will disappear in a matter of years with the internet
Not free, someone paying for it.
Kids have to stop being told 'university is the path to success'. Unless you want to go into engineering, law, medicine, finance (even then it depends) or sciences, there is many high paying jobs that don't require a degree. I also think that people forget about skilled trades which are in high demand.
i know some bankers that dont have degrees, you're right b0ss
I wanted to be a lawyer
Free college gives people the impression that education isn't worth it because it isn't associated with a cost. No cost means no price, hence worthless.
Then undergraduate would become the equivalent of a high School diploma
Its already becoming that
This asks the question; do we need automatons with wallpaper or entrepreneurs with a burning passion?
Glad to see someone reporting on these alternatives to indebted graduates. I'm a Native American who in 2004 applied for and received the Indian Tuition Grant and the PELL Grant and went to OCC in Waterford Michigan. I actually got paid just over $1,200 per semester for being on the Dean's List each time!
I had already been running my own IT services business for 6 years before I went back to school. The accounting knowledge gained at school has been most useful in remaining profitable in a very competitive gig economy labor market.
It also proved invaluable when I and my sister - through her power of attorney - did a forensic audit of our mother's finances to uncover evidence of elder abuse and gift wrapped it for the Stark County Prosecutor's Office.
Regardless of his other policies and if you hate them, Andrew Yang has said many times that free college is not the answer. He wants to get trades back into high schools long before the kid enters his senior year. He also wants useful things taught like how to manage conflict in a group, financial literacy, etc. If you don't believe me, go to yang2020.com and go to his policy page. Underneath education you will find everything he wants to change.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD What do you mean by anti-gun?
"For many Americans, guns are a big part of their culture and identity. That must be respected." (quote from his website)
Also, see canandrewyangwin.com
I did not see how this is an example of how free college is a bad idea. Going to technical school is also higher education. Dont you want financial assistance to be able to finish technical school?
And what is this I hear about if college is free, there will be too many BAs out there, and people will need to seek even higher education to compete? As if being educated is a bad thing.
I absolutely refused the lie fed to me by my parents (especially my mom) and their (especially her) friends: that I had to go to a 4 year college to get a good job afterwards. So I got 48 hours of credit towards and AS with Field of Study in Comp. Sci. before I graduated from high school last year. Then I tried taking some more courses this last year, but my god, I was burnt the hell out (Lone Star College is a good college, the burnout mostly came from some bad professers and bad class setup, as well as taking needless classes like Physics and Calculus when I just want to get into coding and computers). Wasted a whole year.
Now, I'm doing a web development bootcamp (which takes SIX MONTHS) for around the same price as if I had spent a whole TWO YEARS at my community college. Not only that, but I'll get some good hiring help and get a job right away, whereas if I got the A.S. of Computer Science employers would be like "Hurr durr you don't have a Bachelors or higher Gtfo". Here's how I would rank everything:
4 year university:
Largely BS (pun intended) unless you are really smart and get a ton of scholarships. I have a super smart friend who took this route and is doing very well, but I don't recommend you do it if you are dissatisfied with the way most college treats its students in general and the exorbitant prices you have to pay
2 year college, with maybe a transfer to a 4 year college after the first 2 years:
This is what I had planned to do, and it makes sense and saves you money. The reason I dropped out was because all the excess math related classes that I had to take for a degree to get me a job where I would just code and program was burning me out. That's the downside to regular colleges, no matter what: their degree plan will require you to take many classes that will be of no use to you once you are in the workforce
Career college, bootcamp, intensive training course, etc: I highly recommend doing this. Like those technical institute ads you see on RUclips. Or the coding bootcamp I'm doing now. Or the trade school Gamez enrolled in. Or what praxis does where they get you an internship. This not only saves you a TON of money, but it prepares you for your career without wasting your time. You save money, you save time, AND you don't give your money to the big colleges. If more people do this/know about this, they will save their money, more people will be educated and not so far in debt, and the big colleges will slowly lose money and credibility, and we won't have crazy ideas like free college, because college will be a forgotten concept.
Ive had high school teachers and administrators tell my kids "you wont amount to anything if you dont go to college". They do this so the high school can brag about how many of the students "go on to college". They dont give a shit about my kids and would happily sell them out to a mountain of debt in order to meet their numbers. No concern as to whether my kids are cut out for college or where their actual aptitudes lie.
This is nonsense. College wouldn’t be “free” they would choose to invest in certain students. War is not free. Societies chooses to bear the cost. The need for everyone to go to college should de-emphasized as its not for everyone. Making college “free” would take away the incentive/scam of going to college in the first place.
70% of US high schools students go to college but in France where college is free only 30% of high school students go to college.
Free College is stupid. Your degree is only certified in countries that have free college. Graduate and go waaaaay north. Have fun learning a new language.
Trade schools have come back into a positive light, and I know many high schools in my area that have a connection with one. There are plenty of students that will graduate HS with a certification in a certain field and can easily out earn many recent college graduates. This video doesn't track past Praxis students compared to a college graduate with the same training which leaves many unanswered questions. I also believe college is a good tool to explore different academic/career interests and if done well only adds more value to the degree.
The problem will be that if college becomes "free" you can be assured that the college option will be the first choice. If told you can go an easy route for free or a difficult route even though you will be paid human nature will look to the easy route.
I think the government shouldn't be insuring student loans. They should allow banks to lend directly to consumers based on the degree and the students grades. This would force colleges to lower prices as banks won't be willing to lend 40k for a gender studies degree.
If you look at all countries with free college, it's highly selective. If you don't have grades "good enough" for the free college you have to pay for a private one.
well not here in France. The selection is for the second year
Just look at the overall failure that US public schooling has become. Public college will produce the same failures and more taxes.
COLLEGE is a terrible idea: 6 years of my life down the toilet for nothing. Complete waste of time and money. There's nothing you can learn in an academic context you can't teach yourself in a quarter of the time with a lot less misery. As for the "shit ticket"? My military discharge card was more use to me in the end. I have my present job (5 years now, longest job I've ever held) thanks to that. My degree never helped me, in any way. 2016 I tore it up and threw it out.
Maybe you're ok going to a self-taught dentist...I'll stick to a qualified and properly educated one.
@@TheHigherVoltage Good for you. So would I... But believe me, all those impressive-looking shit-tickets on your doctor or dentist's wall are no guarantee of competence. I speak from bitter experience. Meanwhile aside from the Health Professions I defy you to prove to me University is anything other than an unconscionable waste of time and money, a massive shakedown racket and a fraud. "The Personal MBA" sets out the economics of obtaining an MBA Degree, and it ain't pretty: As of a decade ago, you were looking at $200K of debt, and unless your shit-ticket was from an Ivy League, don't even bother, 'cause they won't even interview you... as for Medicine? I have a friend, did the medical gauntlet... He was THIRTY ONE, THIRTEEN YEARS after high school! Before he got all his shit-tickets, licenses and permissions to practice... As a family doctor.. he never specialized = how many more years wasted? ... 🙄
@@Roypb01 " all those impressive-looking shit-tickets on your doctor or dentist's wall are no guarantee of competence."
Name anything that is a guarantee of competence. I'm curious what that's suppose to be considering no one is perfect and we all make mistakes. Personally, I'd rather go to a doctor who's been to years of school, and had to pass a boat load of tests, than someone who 'feels' they are more qualified because they read some articles on the internet. It seems logical that my odds of getting effective diagnosis and treatment is substantially higher with someone who went to school for it compared to someone who didn't.
" I defy you to prove to me University is anything other than an unconscionable waste of time and money"
Personally, I'm glad our bridges and buildings are designed by university graduate engineers.
I would imagine that if you stayed in school longer, you'd know that it's not up to others to prove your beliefs wrong...it's up to you to be able to prove your beliefs right..
TheHigherVoltage theres two dentist I trust.
A dentist that has experience in the field
A dentist that doesn’t have a degree but has experience in the field.
If you’re just out of fucking college that done nothing but studying then how can I trust you to actually perform pulling my teeth out?
@@TheHigherVoltage Many people just do not understand how much doctors and engineers have to learn. Like that circle of knowledge, the smaller the circle of your knowledge, the smaller its perimeter that represents things you know you do not know. Also the learning process needs to be structured by somebody who already knows the profession. There are plenty of engineering books out there now even available for free in the net, but you first need to know What exactly you need to know and How you should apply it.
I know people with a bachelors degree making less than a person who learned a trade.
most trades can make 50-100K a year depending where you live, thats after 3-5yrs of work
Thats pretty good. People nowadays need to stop feeling entitled and starting learning trade skills
"Young people should have more access to early professional opportunity."
Yes, but until then most of them are going to have to get a degree to get escape the nightmare that is the American lower class. You can't go to a trade school to be a doctor or a lawyer, or a computer technician, or a chemist, the list goes on.
And I'm happy to see that even this video acknowledges that colleges are too expensive for those that do have to go, even if it refuses to draw the obvious conclusion that public colleges should be made less expensive.
I’m a freshman at college and I know the percentage of people who are successful after dropping out is 0.0001% not everyone succeeds and if someone goes to college (Like me) is because I do well on studying with professor who teach me stuff that I cannot self teach me.
People will tell me to dropout but, as population grows and as soon as jobs are getting filled they will start requiring degrees and competitiveness.
I’m not saying that if you drop out your life is over. You still go to college if you want, it’s not late BUT be smart about it. Don’t take loans and live on college because that will make your life miserable instead, just sing ing to your local college and go there. The reason why many students fail and dropout is not because of studying is because they work thus they can’t concentrate and they learn nothing.
Is not what the college can do for you but, what you can do with the college.
I don't doubt that some mechanics make good money. I chose to go to college because I wanted to work while sitting, in a climate-controlled environment, moving only my fingers, and to not need a shower when I get home. Different strokes
Congrats you are officially a salad dodging keyboard racer
There are not enough jobs for legitimate college graduates now. What will happen when the market is flooded with freeloaders?
What in the world? That girl landed at impossible foods?? WOW, PRAXIS is doing a great job. Kudos to them.
Anything WORTH having is worth
Working for.
Impossible Foods? Sounds like starvation to me.
The problem has been that student loans were available. So colleges raised their prices, without limit. In the 1940's, one could work, and go through college- with no debt. My father did it. Colleges don't teach nearly as much as they used to.
"College" is NOT the same as "University." Many colleges offer trade and certificate programs, while universities offer traditional studies meant to lay the groundwork for graduate program research. So, yes, free college WOULD BE massively beneficial to the economy, regardless if the student wishes to be a researcher or practitioner.
I would note that the Sanders plan seems to include trade schools.
From berniesanders.com/issues/free-college-cancel-debt/
"Pass the College for All Act to provide at least $48 billion per year to eliminate tuition and fees at four-year public colleges and universities, tribal colleges, community colleges, trade schools, and apprenticeship programs. Everyone deserves the right to a good higher education if they choose to pursue it, no matter their income."
Well, the solution is to fix our terrible education system.
I must agree with this video. Some career fields require a college degree which is fine. Yet most people will have a college degree but end up in a different career fields that a college degree wasn’t required.
I dropped out of college and succeeded well. My friends didn’t go my route and are still soul searching at the age of 40.
Go to college if you don’t have a direction in life, or if you want to be a doctor, then college is a must.
If not going to college, you must be a people person. Be well rounded and doors will open. Make sure you have the drive to succeed in what you want in life. Understand financial literacy. Work hard and smart when your young because taking risk at an older age is a big gamble. Overall, life is wonderful!
None of the video had anything to do with free college. It only argues that it's not for everyone (free or not) and that GEs are pointless
It's really not for everyone, but corporations and universities are in it together to get that money. I opted out of college because I didn't want to work and go to school. At the time I started my current job, 23 years ago, a college degree wasn't a requirement although you did have to take a test and pass with an 80-85% minimum to get selected. After a few years, I realized there were people working with me who earned Bachelor degree and higher, earning the same amount as I was making. Now you need at a minimum an Associate's degree or five years experience in this field in addition to passing the written test and background check to get the same job. So I don't regret my decision. I only encourage younger people like my siblings, family members, etc. to go to college because its almost a prerequisite and you have more options. Trade schools are also a viable option, using the mechanic for example, especially if you already have a passion for it. As long as people drive vehicles and we use machines they will always be indispensable. I'm glad he recognized that before wasting a lot of money on something he wasn't that interested in doing and look at him now. Some of those teachers that tried to discourage him probably can't even afford some of the cars he repairs. Most importantly, if you choose the college route, make sure it's a degree that will pay for itself in the long run. For example, a Master's degree in Art history is nice if you're just interested in learning, but I don't know about the earning potential. Especially once you graduate, those loans start to become due, and you can't even find a job earning enough to survive and pay back those loans.
10/10 comment b0ss, no really thanks for writing this :)