Respect for your Polish pronunciation, most of non-Polish RUclips butchers it because it's simpler and (seemingly) no one would care, but Thank You for caring
I will always finds stories like this fascinating. My family is from western part of Poland, so for me it's like hearing this unknown part of polish history. Also, I found you thanks to your video about Greater Poland Uprising and man, I binge watch your channel in one day.
Many thanks and also respect not only for your pronunciation but also for your detailed reconstruction of the events. One of my grandmothers was borned near Lwów during the first WW and she was telling a lot of stories what happened in the 1920s-1940s. She was very patriotic (but there is really a thin line between patriotism and nationalism) and there was a lot of tension between Poles, Ukrainians and Jews. I always hoped historians from Poland/Ukraine and maybe Israel can together reconstruct these difficult times without pointing at each other who suffered more but recent events make this possible maybe in a distant future. And the other problem is the current politics in Poland itself but I hope the best for the future.
“There was a general lack of provisions in the city” **The Jews were beaten** “Poles were unhappy with the Ukrainians” **The Jews were beaten** “Industrialisation happened” *The Jews were beaten** “The Jews attempted to stay neutral in the conflict, but this angered the Poles” **The Jews were again beaten** Ukrainians seized the city for their new state. This angered the poles. **The Jews were beaten**
You always make intersesting videos. Thank you. Could it be that the Jews were pro-Austro-Hungary because they spoke Yiddish? Or did they just feel safe in this empire?
Thank you for telling this story, in Poland hardly anyone talks about the most disgusting Polish acts and even when they do, it is presented as a distortion, not as one of the main currents of contemporary politics in Poland. When I was younger, I was also taught at school that Poland, despite these lapses, was one of the most tolerant and free from this senseless violence places where at least attempts were made to create a state tolerating everyone, and that it was Germans, Soviets and internally Ukrainians who deprived us of this tolerant state, but when I started better getting to know the history and in particular the history of the Second Polish Republic, I began to realize that one of the main founding factions, despite experiencing repression, wanted to create a state where any departure from their understanding of Polishness is not tolerated and that the opposing faction that initially wanted to create a federal state where this culture tolerance will exist, because of the nationalists she was not able to create such a state, and when she finally gained power by military coup, they were not much better than those nationalists. All this hurts the more that despite all the events of World War II, nationalism, especially thanks to the communists, dominated the Polish political space and all these nationalists got what they wanted in a country subject to the USSR and to this day in Poland, despite the lack of Jews, anti-Semitism and idiotic ideas of nationalists are getting stronger and less who remembers or wants to remember these crimes while making Poland an eternal victim, it is difficult to maintain faith in the culture of their own country due to this strange characteristic duality of the pride of Poles of being a conqueror and a victim at the same time.
Absolutely hats off to you at beginning for studying about actually Ukrainian pronunciation. While many Ukrainian speakers pronounce the v/f at the end, this is actually an import from Russian. The U at the end is 100% correct
It was about as bad as many others during that time. Don't forget: in the same time period, the KKK would hang black people in the missisippi area just to make a point, angry mobs would frequently lynch percieved "german spies" in France and the US (both democracies at the time), british colonial troops would fire lethal volleys into protesting crowds in India while universal suffrage in britain itself was yet to be introduced, The revolution in Russia would only survive through massive brutalisation of its policies, the Weihmar Republic would only survive by allowing protofascist paramilitary groups to violently put down the german revolution in a bloodbath (which the latter would consequently not survive), Ireland would first fight a brutal war of independence followed by a civil war, the Ottoman Empire would dissolve into chaos, occupation and annexations (laying the foundation for many contemporary hot spots) and all that was just the aftermath of a global conflict into which former established goverments and ruling classes drove themselves into without much efford to avoid it and without a clue about the outcome of all that. .. but you are right in some way: the sins of the Polish government of 1918-39 tend to be grossly overlooked in todays perception, at least here in the west. And to me, that's the most shameful thing.
Great informative video! Really nice ukrainian pronunciaton tho, thank you! Good work! Also, pretty good explanation about the jews in the Galicia. I may say, that actually pretty same situation was in most of Ukraine, because our country was on the settlement territory for the jews in russian empire. We even have the centres of the Hasidism - Uman and Hadiach and also the whole 2 (kinda)jewish indigenous peoples - karaits and krymchaky (crimean jews). Also, we had a noice history with jews, sometimes bad things, like pogroms in Ukrainian People's Republic (at the end the goverment sentenced to death the autonomy military lads, who did that horrible thing and those lads traitened us and went to the communist russian side), but mostly pretty good relations. We fought with them, as brothers many times, for example many jews were in Ukrainian Rebels Army in WW2, also jewish lawyers helped many times. The bloody communist russians even did a posters about "evil ukrainians-nationalists and the jews that try to destroy their holy USSR". So aye, we had the great history with them. Again, really thank ya for the interesting topic and informative video!
Я чув про євреїв в УПА, але мені здається, що трохи важко сказати наскільки це було масовим явищем. Наскільки я пам‘ятаю, Тімоті Снайдер пригадує що окремі особи приховували своє походження будучи в підпіллі, але усе одно загалом велика частина ОУН мала шовіністські переконання. Що правда, першочергово це стосувалося польського населення.
@@D.S.handle Тімоті Снайдер дуже упереджений до УПА. В УПА приховували навіть імена від побратимів, з якими воювали, що вже казати про походження. Крім того, заяви про "шовінізм" ОУН є абсурдом, адже поляки взагалі ставились до українців трохи краще ніж нацисти до євреїв і чинили звірства та злочини. ОУН була відповіддю пригнобленого народу на жорстокість та століття зневаги.
@@OrkosUAVery biased and stupid comment. To claim that "Poles treated Jews little better than the Nazis" you have to be very ignorant. Many Ukrainian nationalists assisted Germans when they were exterminating Jews: Trawniki Manner, members of Schutzmannshaft etc. Ukrainian interpreters also assisted Germans during the Massacre of Polish professors in Lwów and took active part in Lwów Pogrom of 1941. I see that only Vyatrovych is reliable to you, all historians of other nationalities are "biased".
Gotta say, as a pole i had no idea about the incredibly anti-Semitic sentiment of ND. It's one of these aspects of history that i was simply not taught during my historical education here
This channel has everything to blow up, except the algorith working in it’s favour. But once it does you grow to at least a few tens of thousands. I’m sure of that
I don't know how much it would interest you, but I have linked "Galicia on Our Mind: The Role of Regionalism in New York's Jewish Immigrant Community, 1890-1938" to this comment. While the Lwow Pogrom is far and away the second largest tragedy that Galician Jews encountered, it also falls at the end of the Great Wave of Immigration to the United States, meaning that most Jews who were going to leave had already left. Still, there were 200,000 Galician Jews who ended up in the United States, representing around ~25% of Galicia's Jewish population in 1900. The reason I have attached a link to the lecture below is to underscore that while there may not be much of a Jewish community left in Galicia itself, the community's presence could still be felt for many more years in the United States, and especially in New York City. ruclips.net/video/0AVOYLbu_eM/видео.html&ab_channel=CenterforJewishHistory
To all the Poles repeating over and over "Lwów was always a Polish city" - is that how you behave in your own cities??? Rape, plunder, murder??? And it weren't random Polish criminals. It was the Polish Army. No. That's how occupiers behave.
Yes, Poles did bad things, including killing Jews, but compared to neighboring nations, the numbers were modest. For example, Ukrainians have killed several hundred thousand Jews throughout their history; in the Khmelnytsky Uprising alone, approximately 100000 Jews were killed, and when you add the Koliivshchyna and pogroms in the 19th and 20th centuries, the numbers are terrifying.
What lacks here is the information that it was the Ukrainians that help the Jews to form their paramilitary organizations and these did take part in the fighting supporting the Urainians. So saying the Jews units were purely defensive and neutral is off the mark. They remained in the citry after the Ukrainians withdrew and might genuinely pose a threat to Polish troops. What is still to clarify is what happened to these allegedly selfdefence units during the pogrom as nobody mentions that. They just turned into lookers-on when their people were killed?
Unfortunately there was a lot of anti-semitism in Poland, but if you compare what Jews went trough during 20th century then the clashes with Poles were quite rare and not that deadly. Russians, Germans and even Ukrainians gave Jews much more death and suffering. While a lot of Poles were very anti-semitic I think openly siding with Poles would be the safest bet for Jews when you consider 50,000-250,000 murdered Jews by Ukrainians and Russians between 1918 and 1920.
@@SirManateee When making video about Holocaust in Lvow You could also add there some information about Galician massacre 1846 as sample of national rage existing in the region. Or make complete episode about it - Volyn massacre 1943 is more or less known, but the things that happened in Galicia in 1846 is a topic that is not covered by anyone on YT history channels at all.
Chelm/Kholm is not "historically Polish". It is an ethnic Ukrainian region and was even the residence of the Ruthenian (=Ukrainian) King. If you call it "historically Polish" you can call it historically German as well because they too did occupy Chelm/Kholm for some time...
It's not true. Chełm was part of Cherven Gords inhabited by the Polish tribe of Lendians. After taking over this area, Jarosław the Wise displaced a significant part of the inhabitants and started russify this territory.
Before the independence of Ukraine there was no order of colours set. Only when the first Ukrainian states were decided it was set up that blue will be on top.
@@atlantis4516 Upside down Ukrainian flag is use as flag of Upper Silesia (historical region split between Poland and Czechia). But I never heard about that yellow-blue Ukrainian flag had some connotations with fascism, but I am not a specialist.
I mean it's generally silly to talk about the nationality of people living before nationalism became a thing. People back then tended more so to identify based on religion and social class rather than what borders they happened to live within. It's made even more silly by the fact that many of these borders have moved significantly since then.
@@JimmyC-lx2hx If he was polish you can easily post a letter from him in the polish language, right? If he was a polish citizen you can probably post the part of Poland he lived in, right, since he totally wasn't living in a vassal state of Poland but in actual Poland, right?
@@dereinepeterpan5637 Poland as country was strong and fast developing political entity. Copernicus identified himself with his Province, which was Prussia, the country which willingly joined domains of Polish kings based on their old claims. Copernicus origins were in Polish capitol of Cracow and Torun both cities using German language to communicate, but he moved to Bishopric of Warmia, where he served his country and king of Poland.His main works were written in Latin. He never lived in Germany, which was at the time geographic rather than political term. There is no apparent identity problem as Prussia stayed as part of Poland for the next 300 years and later conflicts had mostly religious background.
Respect for your Polish pronunciation, most of non-Polish RUclips butchers it because it's simpler and (seemingly) no one would care, but Thank You for caring
Oczywiście, że mnie to obchodzi
Polish ain’t a joke
Or perhaps they just can't pronunciation it as polish has an impenetrable pronunciation for many non native speakers
I will always finds stories like this fascinating. My family is from western part of Poland, so for me it's like hearing this unknown part of polish history. Also, I found you thanks to your video about Greater Poland Uprising and man, I binge watch your channel in one day.
Glad you enjoyed it! Galicia and the other formerly Eastern parts of Poland deserve some attention ;)
at 0:48 small clarification: there was no budapest in 1772, buda and pest were separe cities back then and only later merged in 1873
Ah yeah, I keep forgetting that
Another great video.
Hopefully the algorithm is just slow on the uptake and this channel will get the attention it deserves soon.
I guess the algorithm didn't like that I age-restricted and demonetised it.
But thanks for the feedback :)
Your videos are very informative and easy to digest. Moreover, I am very impressed with your articulate pronunciation of Polish names and words.
Many thanks and also respect not only for your pronunciation but also for your detailed reconstruction of the events.
One of my grandmothers was borned near Lwów during the first WW and she was telling a lot of stories what happened in the 1920s-1940s.
She was very patriotic (but there is really a thin line between patriotism and nationalism) and there was a lot of tension between Poles, Ukrainians and Jews. I always hoped historians from Poland/Ukraine and maybe Israel can together reconstruct these difficult times without pointing at each other who suffered more but recent events make this possible maybe in a distant future. And the other problem is the current politics in Poland itself but I hope the best for the future.
“There was a general lack of provisions in the city”
**The Jews were beaten**
“Poles were unhappy with the Ukrainians”
**The Jews were beaten**
“Industrialisation happened”
*The Jews were beaten**
“The Jews attempted to stay neutral in the conflict, but this angered the Poles”
**The Jews were again beaten**
Ukrainians seized the city for their new state. This angered the poles.
**The Jews were beaten**
You always make intersesting videos.
Thank you.
Could it be that the Jews were pro-Austro-Hungary because they spoke Yiddish? Or did they just feel safe in this empire?
The latter is true. Austria provided a sort of stability and an authority that managed to largely protect the Jewish population.
@@SirManateee Okay, thank you :)
'Odżydzenie' actually means 'unjewing'.
Thank you for telling this story, in Poland hardly anyone talks about the most disgusting Polish acts and even when they do, it is presented as a distortion, not as one of the main currents of contemporary politics in Poland. When I was younger, I was also taught at school that Poland, despite these lapses, was one of the most tolerant and free from this senseless violence places where at least attempts were made to create a state tolerating everyone, and that it was Germans, Soviets and internally Ukrainians who deprived us of this tolerant state, but when I started better getting to know the history and in particular the history of the Second Polish Republic, I began to realize that one of the main founding factions, despite experiencing repression, wanted to create a state where any departure from their understanding of Polishness is not tolerated and that the opposing faction that initially wanted to create a federal state where this culture tolerance will exist, because of the nationalists she was not able to create such a state, and when she finally gained power by military coup, they were not much better than those nationalists. All this hurts the more that despite all the events of World War II, nationalism, especially thanks to the communists, dominated the Polish political space and all these nationalists got what they wanted in a country subject to the USSR and to this day in Poland, despite the lack of Jews, anti-Semitism and idiotic ideas of nationalists are getting stronger and less who remembers or wants to remember these crimes while making Poland an eternal victim, it is difficult to maintain faith in the culture of their own country due to this strange characteristic duality of the pride of Poles of being a conqueror and a victim at the same time.
Absolutely hats off to you at beginning for studying about actually Ukrainian pronunciation. While many Ukrainian speakers pronounce the v/f at the end, this is actually an import from Russian. The U at the end is 100% correct
Not a single note about this in our history books here in Poland. They always speak of how we were the innocent ones.
Thank you for another great and informative video
Glad you liked it :)
It's honestly ashaming how bad was the government of the Second Republic of Poland
It was about as bad as many others during that time. Don't forget: in the same time period, the KKK would hang black people in the missisippi area just to make a point, angry mobs would frequently lynch percieved "german spies" in France and the US (both democracies at the time), british colonial troops would fire lethal volleys into protesting crowds in India while universal suffrage in britain itself was yet to be introduced, The revolution in Russia would only survive through massive brutalisation of its policies, the Weihmar Republic would only survive by allowing protofascist paramilitary groups to violently put down the german revolution in a bloodbath (which the latter would consequently not survive), Ireland would first fight a brutal war of independence followed by a civil war, the Ottoman Empire would dissolve into chaos, occupation and annexations (laying the foundation for many contemporary hot spots) and all that was just the aftermath of a global conflict into which former established goverments and ruling classes drove themselves into without much efford to avoid it and without a clue about the outcome of all that.
.. but you are right in some way: the sins of the Polish government of 1918-39 tend to be grossly overlooked in todays perception, at least here in the west. And to me, that's the most shameful thing.
Great informative video! Really nice ukrainian pronunciaton tho, thank you! Good work!
Also, pretty good explanation about the jews in the Galicia. I may say, that actually pretty same situation was in most of Ukraine, because our country was on the settlement territory for the jews in russian empire. We even have the centres of the Hasidism - Uman and Hadiach and also the whole 2 (kinda)jewish indigenous peoples - karaits and krymchaky (crimean jews). Also, we had a noice history with jews, sometimes bad things, like pogroms in Ukrainian People's Republic (at the end the goverment sentenced to death the autonomy military lads, who did that horrible thing and those lads traitened us and went to the communist russian side), but mostly pretty good relations. We fought with them, as brothers many times, for example many jews were in Ukrainian Rebels Army in WW2, also jewish lawyers helped many times. The bloody communist russians even did a posters about "evil ukrainians-nationalists and the jews that try to destroy their holy USSR". So aye, we had the great history with them.
Again, really thank ya for the interesting topic and informative video!
Я чув про євреїв в УПА, але мені здається, що трохи важко сказати наскільки це було масовим явищем.
Наскільки я пам‘ятаю, Тімоті Снайдер пригадує що окремі особи приховували своє походження будучи в підпіллі, але усе одно загалом велика частина ОУН мала шовіністські переконання. Що правда, першочергово це стосувалося польського населення.
@@D.S.handle Тімоті Снайдер дуже упереджений до УПА. В УПА приховували навіть імена від побратимів, з якими воювали, що вже казати про походження. Крім того, заяви про "шовінізм" ОУН є абсурдом, адже поляки взагалі ставились до українців трохи краще ніж нацисти до євреїв і чинили звірства та злочини. ОУН була відповіддю пригнобленого народу на жорстокість та століття зневаги.
@@OrkosUAVery biased and stupid comment. To claim that "Poles treated Jews little better than the Nazis" you have to be very ignorant. Many Ukrainian nationalists assisted Germans when they were exterminating Jews: Trawniki Manner, members of Schutzmannshaft etc. Ukrainian interpreters also assisted Germans during the Massacre of Polish professors in Lwów and took active part in Lwów Pogrom of 1941. I see that only Vyatrovych is reliable to you, all historians of other nationalities are "biased".
Gotta say, as a pole i had no idea about the incredibly anti-Semitic sentiment of ND. It's one of these aspects of history that i was simply not taught during my historical education here
i realy wanna wathc this but its got the age restriction is there a way to watch it like on non public or something?
silly manatee, Galicia is in spain not poland! (joke)
This channel has everything to blow up, except the algorith working in it’s favour. But once it does you grow to at least a few tens of thousands. I’m sure of that
for some reason, you need to login to watch it. is it intentional?
Good vid thanks
I don't know how much it would interest you, but I have linked "Galicia on Our Mind: The Role of Regionalism in New York's Jewish Immigrant Community, 1890-1938" to this comment.
While the Lwow Pogrom is far and away the second largest tragedy that Galician Jews encountered, it also falls at the end of the Great Wave of Immigration to the United States, meaning that most Jews who were going to leave had already left. Still, there were 200,000 Galician Jews who ended up in the United States, representing around ~25% of Galicia's Jewish population in 1900. The reason I have attached a link to the lecture below is to underscore that while there may not be much of a Jewish community left in Galicia itself, the community's presence could still be felt for many more years in the United States, and especially in New York City.
ruclips.net/video/0AVOYLbu_eM/видео.html&ab_channel=CenterforJewishHistory
Louis Brandeis, the U.S Supreme Court Justice, was a Galician Jew.
As a descendant of Galitzaners from Lemberg, thank you for covering this topic.
To all the Poles repeating over and over "Lwów was always a Polish city" - is that how you behave in your own cities??? Rape, plunder, murder??? And it weren't random Polish criminals. It was the Polish Army. No. That's how occupiers behave.
Yes, Poles did bad things, including killing Jews, but compared to neighboring nations, the numbers were modest. For example, Ukrainians have killed several hundred thousand Jews throughout their history; in the Khmelnytsky Uprising alone, approximately 100000 Jews were killed, and when you add the Koliivshchyna and pogroms in the 19th and 20th centuries, the numbers are terrifying.
Dzięki
What lacks here is the information that it was the Ukrainians that help the Jews to form their paramilitary organizations and these did take part in the fighting supporting the Urainians. So saying the Jews units were purely defensive and neutral is off the mark. They remained in the citry after the Ukrainians withdrew and might genuinely pose a threat to Polish troops. What is still to clarify is what happened to these allegedly selfdefence units during the pogrom as nobody mentions that. They just turned into lookers-on when their people were killed?
another less known topic good video
nice video, and i thought poles treated jews better
Study about kielce massacre 😢😢you will get to know that polish PPL are also antisemite
Unfortunately there was a lot of anti-semitism in Poland, but if you compare what Jews went trough during 20th century then the clashes with Poles were quite rare and not that deadly. Russians, Germans and even Ukrainians gave Jews much more death and suffering. While a lot of Poles were very anti-semitic I think openly siding with Poles would be the safest bet for Jews when you consider 50,000-250,000 murdered Jews by Ukrainians and Russians between 1918 and 1920.
wish this video went a bit longer to mention the OUN-B and it's involvement in systematically getting rid of all jews in Lviv.
That would be a very interesting topic for a later Episode. This video was (emotionally) difficult enough to make on its own.
@@SirManateee that's absolutely fair, Going further would be even worse to claw through.
OUN-B didn't exist in 1918 as far as i remember.
@@National-Democrat.UkrainianBut later they were instrumental in this.
@@SirManateee When making video about Holocaust in Lvow You could also add there some information about Galician massacre 1846 as sample of national rage existing in the region. Or make complete episode about it - Volyn massacre 1943 is more or less known, but the things that happened in Galicia in 1846 is a topic that is not covered by anyone on YT history channels at all.
I miss lwów
and germans miss stettin and breslau 😢
Chelm/Kholm is not "historically Polish". It is an ethnic Ukrainian region and was even the residence of the Ruthenian (=Ukrainian) King. If you call it "historically Polish" you can call it historically German as well because they too did occupy Chelm/Kholm for some time...
It's not true. Chełm was part of Cherven Gords inhabited by the Polish tribe of Lendians. After taking over this area, Jarosław the Wise displaced a significant part of the inhabitants and started russify this territory.
why at 11:51 is the Ukrainian flag upside down?
Before the independence of Ukraine there was no order of colours set. Only when the first Ukrainian states were decided it was set up that blue will be on top.
@@Hadar1991 Thank you! I recently read that the yellow on top is the fascist flag, is that true?
@@atlantis4516 Upside down Ukrainian flag is use as flag of Upper Silesia (historical region split between Poland and Czechia). But I never heard about that yellow-blue Ukrainian flag had some connotations with fascism, but I am not a specialist.
Thank you@@Hadar1991
0:12 l’view,l’vov, linberg, vov, lemberick
Roman Dmowski moment.
11:12 mission failed
I always find it funny that Kopernikus is regarded as a polish national figure when he was neither ethnically nor by nationality polish.
yeah it's one of the most pointless discussions out there
I mean it's generally silly to talk about the nationality of people living before nationalism became a thing. People back then tended more so to identify based on religion and social class rather than what borders they happened to live within. It's made even more silly by the fact that many of these borders have moved significantly since then.
he fought for Poles and speak also Polish. Funny how Germans think he was German
@@JimmyC-lx2hx If he was polish you can easily post a letter from him in the polish language, right? If he was a polish citizen you can probably post the part of Poland he lived in, right, since he totally wasn't living in a vassal state of Poland but in actual Poland, right?
@@dereinepeterpan5637 Poland as country was strong and fast developing political entity. Copernicus identified himself with his Province, which was Prussia, the country which willingly joined domains of Polish kings based on their old claims. Copernicus origins were in Polish capitol of Cracow and Torun both cities using German language to communicate, but he moved to Bishopric of Warmia, where he served his country and king of Poland.His main works were written in Latin. He never lived in Germany, which was at the time geographic rather than political term. There is no apparent identity problem as Prussia stayed as part of Poland for the next 300 years and later conflicts had mostly religious background.
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