Hey man love your channel have you thought about reading journal entries of the first Spanish conquistadors and priest in the Americas that would be awesome
I remind you that James Cook wasn't the first European to arrive to New Zealand. The Dutch Abel Tasman visited it more than a century earlier and baptized it with its current name. And there are reasons to believe that the lost Spanish vessel San Lesmes, from the García Jofré de Loaysa fleet might have visited it in 1526.
Has anyone else thought that Gene Roddenberry based his Star Trek series at least in part on the adventures of Captain Cook ? Roddenberry served in the US Navy in the Pacific during the war and would have known this history well. The Endeavor becomes The Enterprise, Captain Cook becomes Captain Kirk and I suppose that makes Joseph Banks (The gentleman of science) Spock ! They both boldly go where no man has gone before seeking new life and new civilizations. Like the federations prime directive Cook was under orders from the admiralty and the Crown to make friendly relations with the natives where ever possible. It didn't work out so well in this case however he was trying. Notice how the muskets were loaded with small shot ? That was the 18th century version of setting your phasers on stun.
I never thought of Star Trek that way. I think there may be even more connections in The Next Generation series. Some episodes where the cultural differences lead to misunderstandings, the Crystalline Entity episodes for example. Or the episode "The Inner Light"(the flute episode), where Picard is "abducted" in a manner similar to what Cook did to many native peoples.
Yes that is the basis of Star Trek... which for me as a Maori person makes it slightly cringey considering the Klingon's and who they are most likely inspired by...
The search for latitude. Or something like that. Is a book in the Wellington space museum. Cook and co where looking for the 3red spot of land so they could triangulate an asteroid. Further stamping the world is round not flat also the size of the earth.
@@AVOIDAVOIDVOID It isn't about just focusing on the bad. Hell, everyone is bad. Where does it end? Eventually everyone in the past, looked through with a modern lense, will be removed.
Nobody is scrubbing them from history, their actions are just being acknowledged in full without whitewashing. If anything, people like Lee, Cook, and Columbus are finally being treated as actual people and not ideological mascots.
Good lord this guy sounds like Peter Wingfield. That's part of what makes listening to these so fun to me...I imagine it's Methos talking as every historical figure. :) But seriously, I love the dramatic reading of these historical accounts. It's always really well done. One of the most pleasant surprises I've discovered on RUclips for a long time.
I find it very fascinating and human that the natives immediately assessed the situation and understood that these weird weapons are what makes these people dangerous. And even though they didn't know what they are and how they work, they just wanted to have them.
@@TheTaterTotP80 Aaaam, no, you can make a dog more frightened by flailing around a flexible hose, than a sword. The former makes scarier sounds, and THAT is what all animals (humans included) are instinctively fearful of. The humans, however, have the brain capacity to tell if the stick in the other's hand made the big boom sound, then make the connection between loud stick + dead mate = weapon, hence they retardily chased after them. And yes, charging into an effective weapon is not optimal for survival. Hence the body count Cook and his men made.
@Reunite The British Empire Aaaam, no. Animals are weird, and so are you, as an animal. Given we had believed in a bearded guy throwing tantrums is the reason for thunderstorms, the Maori probably thought that boom sticks are sticks, and the white ghost people can do death magic. So they sent the paladins in :/
I really enjoyed how there was seemingly no feelings of superiority on the part of Cook and his men and that he felt truly regretful for the killing that he deemed necessary at the time. He was there to communicate and win over with kindness and not to subjugate.
It was really interesting to get that first hand account of a people encountering firearms for the first time. It must have been so bizarre... are there even natural sources of the sound it makes that they might have heard before? It’s also telling of human nature just how fast they fixated on those weapons and wanted them. Few things are more interesting than the first encounters between two distant populations; I think it’s why my favorite episode of Star Trek Next Gen is Darmok. We’re all so painfully curious, and when you encounter someone you don’t understand and can’t communicate with you are filled with an overwhelming urge to bridge that gap.
The stupidity of thinking that you would be welcome in trespassing in another land, then kill the peoples from that land, then think kidnapping them and giving them gifts, will change their ideas of defending their lands from invading murderers. Cook was a fool!
Cooke was humane, intelligent and an excellent sailor and cartographer, if records bear the truth. Thanks in part to the Enlightenment. That he was tasked with marking the transit of Venus from the Pacific, in 1779, in order to determine the size of the universe is a testament to how human ingenuity can break new ground and carry all to a better understanding of what it means to be, human,
He shot a guy for almost no reason. Picked up a Tahitian navigator because he couldn’t figure out where he was going and kidnaped a king after they refused to help him. Cooke got what was coming to him when my ancestors kicked his ass and ate his Brian. Sincerely the Hawai’i (the sandwich isle )
@@magnuscolable can't speak to that myself. I wasn't there. If you would like an account of his experience with the Hawaiian people, I recommend the book "Approaching Paradise" by Susanna Moore. Her book quotes entire sections of the ships log from Endeavor, including entries by Cook himself.
@@VoicesofthePast I did a lot of research on Robert Falcon Scott in conjunction with an award-winning screenplay that I wrote. May be able to furnish some of his better journal entries. The death of Oates in particular was described dramatically, as well as the discovery of a dry valley in the Antarctic interior, "good place for growing potatoes."
Absolutely superb...the way you guys have presented this... make's one feel one is standing there and actually watching it..!! Hat's off to your research..editing and production teams.. thanks for sharing..!!!
@@VoicesofthePast look forward to content like the Spanish going to Mexico ,/ south America.. Christopher Columbus etc.. hope some videos in the pipeline...!!
Years ago I read Cook's Journals and it seemed to me that from the 1st journey through to the 3rd when he was killed in Hawaii the wonder and pleasure of what he was doing diminished over time. I got the impression that Cook became peevish, depressed almost, with little joy as he became older. He was a great man though and his navigating and map making skills were incredible!
That's very interesting. Do you think it was years stuck in a little cabin made him jaded? Or deteriorating health with old age? Or maybe a bit of both?
@@NeilLewis77 I agree with Barry. I've read his journals and while he was away on his 2nd journey I believe his son died. Cook was clearly a different man for his 3rd journey and started to order acts of brutality on natives and also was barely able to contain his anger with his crew. I also think he became depressed and jaded.
Now the Maori war dance is danced by all New Zealanders, regardless of skin color. One of the very few New World countries that truly takes its native culture as national identity.
@@toastedtoastontoast That's fairly cool! I watched some videos of New Zealand high schoolers dancing to mourn their deceased classmates, and it was impressive
@@GerryAustin1978 Should've gone back to Europe if you don't like how a people govern their nation. New Zealand is naturally Maori land, why should they not dictate its policies? Just as the English should have reign of England's affairs, the Maori should have reign over the affairs of their nation. It's that simple.
@@GerryAustin1978 you seem too have a problem with the native new Zealanders getting a lot of money from the government ,well for starters thats non of your business if your not a native ,and seconds if you want millions of dollars ,get off your LAZY useless stink pink diseased carrying arsehole and work hard for your money like black people do ...........
japan seems to have been a white nation until quite recently. similar strategic relocation going on today in europe america australia and new zealand. hollywood is all very dodgy. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saigō_Takamori
@@jesusislukeskywalker4294 Aaaaam, no, Japan was quite militaristic since late heian period and onwards, and had it's share of wars before that too. However, hollywood is indeed a piece of crap source.
@@jeremiahjohnson1520 I believe after they defeated Russia, they were given an "honorary white" status, which is what allowed them to start building up their empire. Had they taken it slow and not been as brutal as they were to the Chinese, there is a good chance they would have had their empire for much longer
Since it's still used like that mainstream in languages like hungarian, I think he indeed used indian in this context. After Colombus thought he visited india and not america, and thus called the people he found indians, the term stuck with explorers, especially the english ones.
He believed that he was near Indies, because he was near Australia, which IS near Indies. Back then (East-) Indies was the term for so called Spice Islands in modern Indonesia, and Australia is near these islands(actually, Moluccans sailed to north Australia and were fishing for sea cucumbers there, and later traded this exotic seafood to their neighbours, which traded it to theirs, so that even Chinese emperors ate trepangs from Australian coast).
He should have had the interpreter say "We have sailed around the entire planet, it took us 4 years to get here, I don't have time for this BS, now come be nice and tell us about the island and your people. I'm not leaving until you do."
Love the channel. If you were looking for another explorer's journals to read, I would highly recommend Alexander Mackenzie's or David Thompson's. Both were great for describing the people and situations they encountered.
The third encounter was not too harsh at all. His main objective was to get fresh water for his crew. His landing parties would be in constant danger unless he showed the indigenes that he had BOTH superior strength AND no intent to harm them if they'd stop attacking and attempting to steal from his crew. This is about as restrained as you can get. ....It shows a huge difference an Enlightenment makes (intellectual movement of the 18th century). Just think of what the 16th century Spanish explorer/adventurers would have done (or Muslims would have done, ...or other Polynesians -- insert your favorite non-Western people here -- would have done).
Can you read the Letter of Pêro Vaz de Caminha to king Manuel I of Portugal? It's the first letter to ever give a description of Brazil, written by the secretary of the fleet led by Pedro Álvares Cabral in 1500, which was the first time Portuguese people landed in Brazil. In the letter he describes the native people and the interaction between the crew and the natives (customs, religion, physical characteristics), resources, the first mass in the territory, etc.
Curious as to why the natives wouldn't be more cautious having seen the size of the ship these men sailed on and their strange appearance, not to mention boomsticks. Sure it's foreign to them but I can't imagine if a people similarly strange and obviously advanced appeared out of no where would I rush them with sticks?
Coastal invasion by other Maori Iwi (Tribes) was a common threat at the time. The Maori were divided into hundreds, or even thousands of different Iwi who warred constantly - and brutally - with each other. Ritual cannibalism was not out of the norm. If you wanted to trade, seek shelter, or engage in diplomacy there was an established set of traditions that you had to follow. Forget the larger vessel anchored in the bay, a boat roughly similar in size and shape to the Waka - the Maori war canoe - arriving unannounced and outside of the regular customs, carrying men with unknown intentions, is, from their perspective, almost certainly a war party from a hostile Iwi coming to launch an attack on them. Their hostile reaction is pretty normal and to be expected considering the circumstances of Aotearoa at the time.
Assuming this account is honest and accurate, it does strike me as very bizarre how aggressive they acted to these new people. I was particularly surprised with the part where he was describing them essentially trying to steal things from them as they stood there. Regardless, it's amazing how messy that was. Poor decisions from both sides (admittedly by Cook). It strikes me as a very poor decision to attempt to get a boat to stop running away by shooting at them. Both parties just seemed far too eager to act in highly risky ways with one another, which sounds like a perfect storm for conflict when you have a massive communications barrier
@Ronove eeyyy found the racist (or do you prefer the term "race realist") If you're correct then how come Asian countries keep out preforming Western ones in schooling?
I wouldnt be surprised if it was upbringing. People here have already mentioned they went to war often. This group had probably won many battles and had the arrogance that they were better than everyone they met. Or maybe it was part of an act. Treat people like shit to show youre better than them. If the people dont have enough courage and just roll over your assert your dominance, live, exploit their resources, etc. Just from being the bigger asshole. Id imagine primitive man was always hating the tribe over the hill regardless of where in the world they were. Its not until they became connected via trade etc and found they had more in common with the next village over, than the next nation over, did they decided to be nicer to each other and work closer.
It's amazing how some people see this incident as james cook's fault entirely... he was fair and reasonable. They are trying repeatedly to make friends with the natives, so as to get all of the water and refreshments they so badly need. They were very cordial with many islanders throughout the Pacific, and of course some were hostile and you would never try to go ashore. The maori as their first gesture is to steal item of the strange visitors, I dont care what culture on what part of the globe you are, you dont even need to be human. Any mammal, knows if you steal someone's valuables it's a disrespectful fuck you to them and your liable to get repercussions.
@@firstnlastnamethe3rd771 Bad analogy. It was more like: Cook stepped into their yard and knocked on the door to greet the owners and communicate but the owners who answered tried to intimidate and take the guests stuff.
@@guts5379 What mindless BS. Remember that, when an enemy crosses your border. You'll fight, or try to disarm them. And, you know you'll take whatever the living, or dead, have.
I love history even though it breaks my heart. I even studied it for 2 degrees. It only solidified my misanthropic tendencies. And I call myself humanitarian. I'm all mixed up.
I'm a couple of minutes in and found you've used artwork that actually depicts a) Cook landing on Kurnell NSW Australia and b) a water colour painted about conflict between English settlers and Australian Aboriginal people.
As a socially anxious person, I always found it hard to make friends. Why did I never come up with just trying to shoot at them or abducting their children?! It's brilliant in its simplicity!
@@eeeaten Yeah I can tell by the native's language that we ALL speak and all the native's cities built up everywhere and all Their wealth and power 🤣🤣🤣... Oh wait.... 🤣🤣. 💪🏻😎👍🏻
he was under orders to explore, chart and report back to Great Britian. Cook didn't want to go around killing people needlessly, but was prepared to engage if challenged. (Self preservation in those days.... a long wait for an ambulance)
Capture them, then befriend them. So bizzare I can't even sort of imagine what that must have been like on either side, but particularly those poor defenseless people.
The Maori of New Zealand were very smart because they tried to steal Capitain Cook guns compare to the naivety of the Tainos that Colombus had to deal with in the Caribbean.
@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge lol and the funny thing is if a Spartan army landed in New Zealand at this time they would absolutely crush the Maori... despite the 2000 year gap in time.
Referred from the corresponding subject documentary on your other channel, subscribed. The content produced is very well done, however, I encourage the consideration of valued history information from sources other than "Mainstream Academic Sources".
Artisan Windchimes The whole reason they travelled was to find another way to India because they knew the world was round, so they could go westward to India instead of eastward. Then they found the americas which they mistook for India, calling the natives Indians. And the carribean, the land of the fabled dogmen. Basically, in their search for India, they mistook everwhere to be India, or lands of dogmen etc etc.
@T Doran Spain didn't formerly declared war on the Aztecs though, more like a small number of guys with steel swords, armour, canons, muskets, horse cavalry (and diseases like you said) went over there and roughed them the hell right up. It's like the film Independence Day there was an war going on between the Earth and the aliens. The aliens just came down in massive flying saucers and started blowing up anything they liked and we could do nothing at all to them because all their ships were energy shielded. Until Jeff Goldblum hacked them using a late 1990's era Apple Macintosh computer but that aside.
@Ianoodin I was making a joke about how this part of Cooks journal makes it look like he was extremely trigger happy. Sadly the joke is ruined now. Much like the lands he discovered. der dum cha
With his arrival also was were stow-aways, pestilence, rats, possums etc... With that other man made and introduced sicknesses that almost anhilate my Maori ancestors. To try and gain friendship amongst the Maori locals were alcohol and cigarettes to add evil to health
It's refreshing to finally hear about a native culture recieiving the europeans as the invaders they were and imediately gauging them with due caution and assertiveness instead of clothing them with their finest jewlry and offering them all the things they wanted. Unfortunatley from his first hand account to himself it seems that Cook actrually meant well in this circumstance. You kind of wish that that the aztecs would have had the maori's attitude and that cortez could have had cooks. or that Cortez could have met with the Maori and Cook with the Aztecs. How differnt things might have been Edit: I just found out cook was an asshole in Hawaii n got killed for it, very satisfying that the pacific islanders didn't take no shit
Natives had no such nationalistic perceptions. Nationalism is European thinking. It's simply that they are very warlike people, constantly fighting eachother, and so they understand force and when to apply to get what they want. See how when they fired the warning shot at the boat the natives immediately went to war mode and if they could would've killed all the Europeans there yet those they took on their boat were readily friendly. It seems bizarre but it's perfectly normal behaviour for their culture. This kind of culture simply attacks anyone that enters their territory especially other natives (because they think the only reason for someone 'other' to be there is to wage war upon them). Thus they have no conception of hospitality or accommodating anyone outside of their tribe or clan. Another factor is that they realised their guns were powerful and badly wanted them for war purposes. A few guns and the knowledge to use them would allow them to dominate other natives. European explorers were generally like Cook even back in 1500. They didn't think themselves invaders or disparage or attack the natives. There are two reasons for it: curiosity for the world and 'uplifting' it with civilisation and Christianity. Only when they establish colonies and political/economic factors are more instrumental does the understanding of the natives intentionally become warped in common thinking. Europeans have been commonly humanistic since the late middleages so the grievance Cook expresses here is one all would agree on and feel shame.
Cortéz was running from the law in Cuba and had to get something to show fast. The Aztecs were dealing with their empire falling apart and needed no new enemies. It was just coincidence things happened as they did.
Wow, so Cook and his men came in exploration and defended themselves and in spite of the aggressions sought to bring people aboard to learn from them. It's a shame he fired at the ship that left them, though obviously he regrets his actions.
Anyone here saying that Cook was a fine chap: Remember that this is what Cook says about himself. He's got a vested interest in showing himself as a great person. Take everything with a grain of salt, just like you should any other historical figure.
@Tom Guadalupe thats quite an arrogant and ignorant comment. the question is perfectly legitimate. arguments about horrors of colonialisation dont apply to first contact, they couldnt have known what would follow first contact with europeans. there have been plenty of first contacts, even with other polynesians that were peaceful. so its a valid question: why did maori react more hostile in their initial encounters with europeans than other polynesians? the answer is probably the war like maori culture due to the fact that new zealand is large enough for plenty of infighting. nor was new zealand part of a global trade network where they could expect friendly or atleast (non hostile) strangers looking to trade. considering those two facts if you see strangers it usually means trouble. more isolated islanders usually react less hostile (but still wary). but isolation also means one negative experience of first contact gone wrong usually stick around for many generations see the sentinelse as an example.
The Maori dance and brandish clubs as a welcoming dance, believe it or not. Same with the fierce Haku. Misunderstood customs on both sides which led to a typical outcome sometimes.
Very interesting! I suppose explorers were trespassers, strange, a threat, the natives were scared and confused, plus the fact no one could really understand the purpose.
"....who massacred. Millions." As if we needed further evidence of the poison poured into young minds by state schooling. A B O L I S H S T A T E S C H O O L I N G N O W!
@@JohnSmith-gh3kp there letters written home by his men saying when we got here there were 2 million people now thers a few thousand. He was a Jesuit and killed all natives unless they became Christian. Until word got around what he was doing . He barely made it home, fing scumbag.
@@1Hannigan1 Absolute blithering falsehoods. 1. There were not millions. 2. The Spanish were physically incapable of killing millions. 3. Columbus was a sailor, not a Jesuit.
Took a lot of guts for the captain to go ahead alone without anyone to back him up. And even when he needed protection he still had them stay back 600 feet.
As a native New Zealander,this presentation hits a sensitive spot.I am aware these events took place over 250 years ago and we,native New Zealand Māori,weren’t the only victims of this colonial piracy.The narration is excellent and the document itself is a good reminder and source of evidence of the thievery,trespass and murder committed on order from the Queen by her servants.I remember feeling some satisfaction upon learning of captain James Cook’s eventual demise at the hands of a tribe of native Tahitians,I must admit.
Chief see pale face kill Took Took with thunderstick pale-faces have many thundersticks Chief have good idea we take everything from pale faces what can go wrong
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I have been looking for a channel like this for literal years. Amazing.
Welcome!
@@VoicesofthePast Pog
Yep, I agree. Lots of interesting stuff :)
What are literal years?
@@notevenjoe Literal, to clarify that the statement is not hyperbolic
I could almost imagine this was Mr. Cook himself explaining his Captain's log. Splendid job.
Nah his accent is way more harsher than this
@@desummarybro7399 Not harsh at all - he had a Yorkshire accent, which is the finest in England.
@@dudeman5234 nah that is what lil people like you want to believe after not doing shit in life
@@desummarybro7399 Yeah....he was from Cleveland in Yorkshire so he would have had the hell accent, I recon
Except he doesn't have a Yorkshire accent.
Letter of Turkish Sultan Mehmet IV to the zaporogian cossacks and the cossack reply by Ivan Sirko
@@RoniiNN yes
Yes! Please!
Ah yes a good example of a 17th century shitpost.
Hey man love your channel have you thought about reading journal entries of the first Spanish conquistadors and priest in the Americas that would be awesome
Yes! In the coming weeks
@@VoicesofthePast that would be awesome, thanks for the great content.
Outfrigginstanding idea
@@VoicesofthePast maybe also something from Livingstone about his expeditions in Africa, or other explorers in Africa
Try finding accounts of the sailors, most were illeterate, but they are out there in personal diaries.
I remind you that James Cook wasn't the first European to arrive to New Zealand. The Dutch Abel Tasman visited it more than a century earlier and baptized it with its current name. And there are reasons to believe that the lost Spanish vessel San Lesmes, from the García Jofré de Loaysa fleet might have visited it in 1526.
@@matthewwilson5887 Umm... Celtics have never really been seafaring peoples or navigators...
@@matthewwilson5887 I learned that mori ori were a subtribe of Maori who migrated to another island in nz.
Tasman never landed. He even thought it was only one big island, because he only saw it from afar!
@@matthewwilson5887 A load of crap mixed with colonial era propaganda to disenfranchise the Maori. Nice.
The Dutch named it Nieuw Zeeland from the province Zeeland in the south of Holland.
This is incredible, I'm so happy to have found your channel
Thanks for watching glad you enjoyed it!
Has anyone else thought that Gene Roddenberry based his Star Trek series at least in part on the adventures of Captain Cook ? Roddenberry served in the US Navy in the Pacific during the war and would have known this history well. The Endeavor becomes The Enterprise, Captain Cook becomes Captain Kirk and I suppose that makes Joseph Banks (The gentleman of science) Spock ! They both boldly go where no man has gone before seeking new life and new civilizations. Like the federations prime directive Cook was under orders from the admiralty and the Crown to make friendly relations with the natives where ever possible. It didn't work out so well in this case however he was trying. Notice how the muskets were loaded with small shot ? That was the 18th century version of setting your phasers on stun.
Great comparison
I never thought of Star Trek that way. I think there may be even more connections in The Next Generation series. Some episodes where the cultural differences lead to misunderstandings, the Crystalline Entity episodes for example. Or the episode "The Inner Light"(the flute episode), where Picard is "abducted" in a manner similar to what Cook did to many native peoples.
Yes that is the basis of Star Trek... which for me as a Maori person makes it slightly cringey considering the Klingon's and who they are most likely inspired by...
@@gaspboigasp Nice one.
I just remembered something else, It's Captain James Cook and Captain James Kirk. No way is that a coincidence.
The search for latitude. Or something like that. Is a book in the Wellington space museum. Cook and co where looking for the 3red spot of land so they could triangulate an asteroid. Further stamping the world is round not flat also the size of the earth.
It bothers me greatly that some people want to scrub this man from history.
@@AVOIDAVOIDVOID It isn't about just focusing on the bad. Hell, everyone is bad. Where does it end? Eventually everyone in the past, looked through with a modern lense, will be removed.
Agreed. But we will try to not let stupid people make all the decisions. There are a lot of smart people also.
Nobody is scrubbing them from history, their actions are just being acknowledged in full without whitewashing. If anything, people like Lee, Cook, and Columbus are finally being treated as actual people and not ideological mascots.
Communism is always about subverting reality.
I am Māori myself yet I would never want this man to be erased from history.
Good or bad, history is valuable knowledge that must'nt be forgotten.
I'm a huge fan of history and you really have a knack at bringing history alive, thanks. Loved this.
Please, please, please, can we get more journal entries from British explorers!
no because half of the stories told in them are lies
Good lord this guy sounds like Peter Wingfield. That's part of what makes listening to these so fun to me...I imagine it's Methos talking as every historical figure. :) But seriously, I love the dramatic reading of these historical accounts. It's always really well done. One of the most pleasant surprises I've discovered on RUclips for a long time.
caomhan84 g agreed!
I find it very fascinating and human that the natives immediately assessed the situation and understood that these weird weapons are what makes these people dangerous. And even though they didn't know what they are and how they work, they just wanted to have them.
I think the natives wanted too piss in cooks mouth and rub shit in his face
Weapons are what make everyone more dangerous. Animals also understand this, not just Humans.
@@TheTaterTotP80 Aaaam, no, you can make a dog more frightened by flailing around a flexible hose, than a sword. The former makes scarier sounds, and THAT is what all animals (humans included) are instinctively fearful of. The humans, however, have the brain capacity to tell if the stick in the other's hand made the big boom sound, then make the connection between loud stick + dead mate = weapon, hence they retardily chased after them.
And yes, charging into an effective weapon is not optimal for survival. Hence the body count Cook and his men made.
@@dudeman5234 Who hurt you?
@Reunite The British Empire Aaaam, no.
Animals are weird, and so are you, as an animal. Given we had believed in a bearded guy throwing tantrums is the reason for thunderstorms, the Maori probably thought that boom sticks are sticks, and the white ghost people can do death magic.
So they sent the paladins in :/
Nothing like first-hand accounts to see history as it really happened. Great stuff.
This is a very good reading, very engaging.
Yes, it was. As always.
I really enjoyed how there was seemingly no feelings of superiority on the part of Cook and his men and that he felt truly regretful for the killing that he deemed necessary at the time.
He was there to communicate and win over with kindness and not to subjugate.
Yes, the ships with soldiers to enslave the natives would come another time.
kapsi well, not an unfair statement unfortunately.
kapsi the British freed all the slaves Māori held
@@kapsi You know precisely fuck all about NZ or Maori, I take it?
Shutting up is always an option, eh?
@@kapsi what?
It was really interesting to get that first hand account of a people encountering firearms for the first time.
It must have been so bizarre... are there even natural sources of the sound it makes that they might have heard before? It’s also telling of human nature just how fast they fixated on those weapons and wanted them.
Few things are more interesting than the first encounters between two distant populations; I think it’s why my favorite episode of Star Trek Next Gen is Darmok. We’re all so painfully curious, and when you encounter someone you don’t understand and can’t communicate with you are filled with an overwhelming urge to bridge that gap.
How is killing people bridging a gap? How is a Science fictional story line comparable to actual life and the human beings in it?
A lightning strike
Captain Cook was a highly professional commander. posted from GDL (Belarus) which was a colony of Asiatic Muscovy for 175 years
His diplomatic skills on the other hand...
Should get Ray Winstone to narrate!
The stupidity of thinking that you would be welcome in trespassing in another land, then kill the peoples from that land, then think kidnapping them and giving them gifts, will change their ideas of defending their lands from invading murderers. Cook was a fool!
@@olderthanyoucali8512 it's just a storEy we've been brainwashed with. And we run with it, making out we are things made up in his story.....
@uncletigger lol. Your not Māori.
This is truly fascinating, what an incredible time to be alive.
Not if you're my ancestors hahaha
This is amazing. Firsthand accounts of encountering new civilizations
Makes humans look stupid
Cooke was humane, intelligent and an excellent sailor and cartographer, if records bear the truth. Thanks in part to the Enlightenment. That he was tasked with marking the transit of Venus from the Pacific, in 1779, in order to determine the size of the universe is a testament to how human ingenuity can break new ground and carry all to a better understanding of what it means to be, human,
He shot a guy for almost no reason. Picked up a Tahitian navigator because he couldn’t figure out where he was going and kidnaped a king after they refused to help him. Cooke got what was coming to him when my ancestors kicked his ass and ate his Brian. Sincerely the Hawai’i (the sandwich isle )
@@noahmarti6164 your ancestors ate his Brian? Really?
Cook was a butcher even Bank's had point to remark at his pointless brutality
@@noahmarti6164 who was Brian?
@@magnuscolable can't speak to that myself. I wasn't there. If you would like an account of his experience with the Hawaiian people, I recommend the book "Approaching Paradise" by Susanna Moore. Her book quotes entire sections of the ships log from Endeavor, including entries by Cook himself.
Glad I found this channel. I'd love to see a video with journal entries from Arctic or Antarctic expeditions and exploration.
Great idea
@@VoicesofthePast I did a lot of research on Robert Falcon Scott in conjunction with an award-winning screenplay that I wrote. May be able to furnish some of his better journal entries. The death of Oates in particular was described dramatically, as well as the discovery of a dry valley in the Antarctic interior, "good place for growing potatoes."
Absolutely superb...the way you guys have presented this... make's one feel one is standing there and actually watching it..!! Hat's off to your research..editing and production teams.. thanks for sharing..!!!
Thanks for watching!
@@VoicesofthePast look forward to content like the Spanish going to Mexico ,/ south America.. Christopher Columbus etc.. hope some videos in the pipeline...!!
Of course, James "ee baa goom" Cook didn't know it at the time, but this was the England team's first introduction to the Haka.
Years ago I read Cook's Journals and it seemed to me that from the 1st journey through to the 3rd when he was killed in Hawaii the wonder and pleasure of what he was doing diminished over time.
I got the impression that Cook became peevish, depressed almost, with little joy as he became older. He was a great man though and his navigating and map making skills were incredible!
That's very interesting.
Do you think it was years stuck in a little cabin made him jaded?
Or deteriorating health with old age?
Or maybe a bit of both?
@@NeilLewis77 I agree with Barry. I've read his journals and while he was away on his 2nd journey I believe his son died. Cook was clearly a different man for his 3rd journey and started to order acts of brutality on natives and also was barely able to contain his anger with his crew. I also think he became depressed and jaded.
@@gd5066 thanks. Very interesting. Oh to have a time machine.
Captain Cook was a good guy, native Maori didn't know what came ashore.... great to hear the historical narrative
That last passage shows Cook's compassion. Nice to see.
Now the Maori war dance is danced by all New Zealanders, regardless of skin color.
One of the very few New World countries that truly takes its native culture as national identity.
@@toastedtoastontoast That's fairly cool! I watched some videos of New Zealand high schoolers dancing to mourn their deceased classmates, and it was impressive
@@GerryAustin1978
Should've gone back to Europe if you don't like how a people govern their nation. New Zealand is naturally Maori land, why should they not dictate its policies? Just as the English should have reign of England's affairs, the Maori should have reign over the affairs of their nation. It's that simple.
@@GerryAustin1978 wondering how long your comment stays up.guilty of being white is an understatement!
@@GerryAustin1978 you seem too have a problem with the native new Zealanders getting a lot of money from the government ,well for starters thats non of your business if your not a native ,and seconds if you want millions of dollars ,get off your LAZY useless stink pink diseased carrying arsehole and work hard for your money like black people do ...........
@@dudeman5234 Maoris aren't black.
Definitely do more captain cook. Fascinating stuff.
I love your work, but I think it would greatly improve your work if you had the text running below as you spoke. Either way, excellent work!!
Turn on your cc
I could listen to hours of this, i wanted to know what happens next!
Thanks man! Well hopefully we'll be doing at least two videos a week for a little while
You can find Captain Cook's journal online as well as Bank's journal. I've read them both.
The native people were brave to face an alien threat that had powerful weapons they didn't understand.
Any chance we may get a video on a European's perspective of the Samurai and their weapons?
japan seems to have been a white nation until quite recently. similar strategic relocation going on today in europe america australia and new zealand. hollywood is all very dodgy. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saigō_Takamori
Grasshopper - How on Earth was Japan a white nation ever?
@@jesusislukeskywalker4294 Aaaaam, no, Japan was quite militaristic since late heian period and onwards, and had it's share of wars before that too.
However, hollywood is indeed a piece of crap source.
Scholagladiatoria did a video on this: ruclips.net/video/kYldSZ-qEQQ/видео.html
@@jeremiahjohnson1520 I believe after they defeated Russia, they were given an "honorary white" status, which is what allowed them to start building up their empire.
Had they taken it slow and not been as brutal as they were to the Chinese, there is a good chance they would have had their empire for much longer
Was “Indians” just a term that Europeans gave any indigenous people?
No, they thought they were somewhere around India. So they legitimately thought they might be some tribe at an island near India.
Since it's still used like that mainstream in languages like hungarian, I think he indeed used indian in this context.
After Colombus thought he visited india and not america, and thus called the people he found indians, the term stuck with explorers, especially the english ones.
Jasmine Dodd maps were not that bad in the 1700s lol, they knew where india was by then and had for centuries
Smoked Pork Ribs what makes you think they believed they were near india?
He believed that he was near Indies, because he was near Australia, which IS near Indies. Back then (East-) Indies was the term for so called Spice Islands in modern Indonesia, and Australia is near these islands(actually, Moluccans sailed to north Australia and were fishing for sea cucumbers there, and later traded this exotic seafood to their neighbours, which traded it to theirs, so that even Chinese emperors ate trepangs from Australian coast).
Love your stuff!
Great content, presentation and narration.
He should have had the interpreter say "We have sailed around the entire planet, it took us 4 years to get here, I don't have time for this BS, now come be nice and tell us about the island and your people. I'm not leaving until you do."
This is fantastic - I love learning NZ History online.
Te Papa has a good website for all history here. Its our national museum
Tupaia was from a long way away, an island close to Tahiti.
And he never lived to see him homeland again, dying on the way to Britain. Sounds like he lived a life worth living though.
Love the channel. If you were looking for another explorer's journals to read, I would highly recommend Alexander Mackenzie's or David Thompson's. Both were great for describing the people and situations they encountered.
I agree with the English in the first two confrontations, but the third was a little harsh.
I don't. These men came to their home and killed them indiscriminately all the while he was justifying his actions with flowery writing.
@@hexkwondo : .....Thanks for showing us that you didn't listen to the narration.
The third encounter was not too harsh at all. His main objective was to get fresh water for his crew. His landing parties would be in constant danger unless he showed the indigenes that he had BOTH superior strength AND no intent to harm them if they'd stop attacking and attempting to steal from his crew. This is about as restrained as you can get. ....It shows a huge difference an Enlightenment makes (intellectual movement of the 18th century). Just think of what the 16th century Spanish explorer/adventurers would have done (or Muslims would have done, ...or other Polynesians -- insert your favorite non-Western people here -- would have done).
@Captain Cook So just add on to the murdering? Yup ok.
@Captain Cook
Still doesn't justify it
This is great. Have you done Henry Hudson's journal ? That's a good one.
Captain Cook, what a man!
Legend
Can you read the Letter of Pêro Vaz de Caminha
to king Manuel I of Portugal? It's the first letter to ever give a description of Brazil, written by the secretary of the fleet led by Pedro Álvares Cabral in 1500, which was the first time Portuguese people landed in Brazil. In the letter he describes the native people and the interaction between the crew and the natives (customs, religion, physical characteristics), resources, the first mass in the territory, etc.
Amazing video amazing channel 🇳🇿🇬🇧
Thanks pal!
Great channel! 🤘
Curious as to why the natives wouldn't be more cautious having seen the size of the ship these men sailed on and their strange appearance, not to mention boomsticks. Sure it's foreign to them but I can't imagine if a people similarly strange and obviously advanced appeared out of no where would I rush them with sticks?
Coastal invasion by other Maori Iwi (Tribes) was a common threat at the time. The Maori were divided into hundreds, or even thousands of different Iwi who warred constantly - and brutally - with each other. Ritual cannibalism was not out of the norm. If you wanted to trade, seek shelter, or engage in diplomacy there was an established set of traditions that you had to follow. Forget the larger vessel anchored in the bay, a boat roughly similar in size and shape to the Waka - the Maori war canoe - arriving unannounced and outside of the regular customs, carrying men with unknown intentions, is, from their perspective, almost certainly a war party from a hostile Iwi coming to launch an attack on them. Their hostile reaction is pretty normal and to be expected considering the circumstances of Aotearoa at the time.
Assuming this account is honest and accurate, it does strike me as very bizarre how aggressive they acted to these new people. I was particularly surprised with the part where he was describing them essentially trying to steal things from them as they stood there. Regardless, it's amazing how messy that was. Poor decisions from both sides (admittedly by Cook). It strikes me as a very poor decision to attempt to get a boat to stop running away by shooting at them. Both parties just seemed far too eager to act in highly risky ways with one another, which sounds like a perfect storm for conflict when you have a massive communications barrier
@Ronove That why the Whites stole everything from Asia?
@Ronove eeyyy found the racist (or do you prefer the term "race realist")
If you're correct then how come Asian countries keep out preforming Western ones in schooling?
I wouldnt be surprised if it was upbringing. People here have already mentioned they went to war often. This group had probably won many battles and had the arrogance that they were better than everyone they met. Or maybe it was part of an act. Treat people like shit to show youre better than them. If the people dont have enough courage and just roll over your assert your dominance, live, exploit their resources, etc. Just from being the bigger asshole.
Id imagine primitive man was always hating the tribe over the hill regardless of where in the world they were. Its not until they became connected via trade etc and found they had more in common with the next village over, than the next nation over, did they decided to be nicer to each other and work closer.
Really nice video!
Thanks!
Keep firing the muskets, we must make them understand we just want to be friends!
you realise they tried to steal them..
And it worked if you bothered listening.
lighten up, it's just a joke. (☞ﾟ∀ﾟ)☞
@@ivyfoo502 "BOOM!" (Kills several with musket fire) lighten up, it's just a joke! ... OH! ok! :)
🤣🤣🤣
It's amazing that this was only 240 years ago...only a short 10 generations or so...
It's amazing how some people see this incident as james cook's fault entirely... he was fair and reasonable.
They are trying repeatedly to make friends with the natives, so as to get all of the water and refreshments they so badly need.
They were very cordial with many islanders throughout the Pacific, and of course some were hostile and you would never try to go ashore.
The maori as their first gesture is to steal item of the strange visitors, I dont care what culture on what part of the globe you are, you dont even need to be human. Any mammal, knows if you steal someone's valuables it's a disrespectful fuck you to them and your liable to get repercussions.
Someone broke into my home, and I tried to take his weapon, but he shot me for trying to steal it.
@@firstnlastnamethe3rd771 Bad analogy. It was more like: Cook stepped into their yard and knocked on the door to greet the owners and communicate but the owners who answered tried to intimidate and take the guests stuff.
Hawaiians did the same thing eventually, they started stealing
@@guts5379
What mindless BS.
Remember that, when an enemy crosses your border.
You'll fight, or try to disarm them. And, you know you'll take whatever the living, or dead, have.
First N Lastname, the 3rd if you assume everyone who crosses your border is an enemy, you'll make alot of enemies and perish.
It would be interesting to see a video on Captain Cook landing in Australia and encountering the natives.
I love history even though it breaks my heart. I even studied it for 2 degrees. It only solidified my misanthropic tendencies. And I call myself humanitarian. I'm all mixed up.
Because?
Sounds more like you’re a privileged douche.
I'm a couple of minutes in and found you've used artwork that actually depicts a) Cook landing on Kurnell NSW Australia and b) a water colour painted about conflict between English settlers and Australian Aboriginal people.
Maybe the Maori should've had a big wall to keep the Europeans out. No, that would've been racist. Nevermind.
good stuff. fascinating. excited for more historical journal readings!
More on the way!
As a socially anxious person, I always found it hard to make friends. Why did I never come up with just trying to shoot at them or abducting their children?! It's brilliant in its simplicity!
Does this channel has a podcast too?
Those Indians should be happy Capt Cook and his Men didn't actually want to destroy all of them. Because clearly quite easily they could have.
who destroyed whom on valentine's day in 1779?
@@eeeaten Yeah I can tell by the native's language that we ALL speak and all the native's cities built up everywhere and all Their wealth and power 🤣🤣🤣... Oh wait.... 🤣🤣. 💪🏻😎👍🏻
@@thenflisnothingwithouttomb8939 wow what a star
@@eeeaten Americans ☕️
he was under orders to explore, chart and report back to Great Britian.
Cook didn't want to go around killing people needlessly, but was prepared to engage if challenged. (Self preservation in those days.... a long wait for an ambulance)
Wow great channel. So new in youtube.
When you don't have a wheel, don't try to rob men with long shiny sticks that go bang.
so true
Capture them, then befriend them. So bizzare I can't even sort of imagine what that must have been like on either side, but particularly those poor defenseless people.
Are all of your videos going to have someone whispering during the concert? It's hard to hear the music with all the talking going on.
Hilarious
@@VoicesofthePast just trying to help. I do love history. Honestly.
Very interesting!
The Maori of New Zealand were very smart because they tried to steal Capitain Cook guns compare to the naivety of the Tainos that Colombus had to deal with in the Caribbean.
Makes sense since the Maori were an exclusively warrior civilisation since time immemorial, made the Spartans look like a bunch of hippies.
The Maori were a warrior tribe
The Taino weren't
@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge lol and the funny thing is if a Spartan army landed in New Zealand at this time they would absolutely crush the Maori... despite the 2000 year gap in time.
Hawaiians did the same
Referred from the corresponding subject documentary on your other channel, subscribed.
The content produced is very well done, however, I encourage the consideration of valued history information from sources other than "Mainstream Academic Sources".
, i think it is pretty much all destroyed.
And then they started to play rugby
Can you please do more of Cook's adventures?
I'll have a look for more Cook, but in the meantime there are definitely more explorers coming up
@@VoicesofthePast more of Cook's story would be cool, but I know there are many tales to tell.
Fascinating stuff!
However, I wanted a bit more “Yarrrr” and “walk the plank, ye scoundrel”.
*Facepalm*
You don't know who Captain Cook was, do you?
I do.
Was just trying to be silly.
Guess I failed.
😞
Yarr harr fiddle di dee .being a pirate is all right with me
Subscribed.👍
@ 7:10 Captain Cook predicts his own death!
Can you do the voyages of Giovanni Da Verrazzano to the American east coast?
High tech low tech encounters never work out well for the latter.
Congratulations, well done
They call everybody Indians
Artisan Windchimes The whole reason they travelled was to find another way to India because they knew the world was round, so they could go westward to India instead of eastward. Then they found the americas which they mistook for India, calling the natives Indians. And the carribean, the land of the fabled dogmen. Basically, in their search for India, they mistook everwhere to be India, or lands of dogmen etc etc.
@T Doran Back then it referred to any group of peoples living on land that was completely free to take as your own.
@T Doran They would have to conquer each others land in a full scale war they can't just make it their land by planting their own flag into it.
@T Doran Spain didn't formerly declared war on the Aztecs though, more like a small number of guys with steel swords, armour, canons, muskets, horse cavalry (and diseases like you said) went over there and roughed them the hell right up. It's like the film Independence Day there was an war going on between the Earth and the aliens. The aliens just came down in massive flying saucers and started blowing up anything they liked and we could do nothing at all to them because all their ships were energy shielded. Until Jeff Goldblum hacked them using a late 1990's era Apple Macintosh computer but that aside.
@T Doran I think the Spanish would have seen it as small expedition or campaign not really a war. They only needed 600 Conquistadors.
Well done!
Maori peoples from New Zealand did not have spears !! the Australian Aboriginal did have spears !!
Rockin Rollin n Trollin - We did have spears ... they were used for bird hunting only.
true.... but they did have long sticky things that the white guys may have mistaken for spears
You could take a page from the Diary of Merryweather Lewis next
Cook was a Yorkshire man.
The Hawaiians made him into Yorkshire pudding
MORE COOK MORE COOK! He went everywhere and I'ld love to 'ear it!
Crewman: Captain, there are some strange people following us
Captain Cook: Get the Muskets
@Ianoodin I was making a joke about how this part of Cooks journal makes it look like he was extremely trigger happy. Sadly the joke is ruined now. Much like the lands he discovered. der dum cha
Star Trek was inspired by this guy. Captain James Cook of the Endeavour - Captain James T Kirk of the Enterprise....
After watching the riots I realized things haven't changed much with some people.
With his arrival also was were stow-aways, pestilence, rats, possums etc... With that other man made and introduced sicknesses that almost anhilate my Maori ancestors. To try and gain friendship amongst the Maori locals were alcohol and cigarettes to add evil to health
It's refreshing to finally hear about a native culture recieiving the europeans as the invaders they were and imediately gauging them with due caution and assertiveness instead of clothing them with their finest jewlry and offering them all the things they wanted.
Unfortunatley from his first hand account to himself it seems that Cook actrually meant well in this circumstance.
You kind of wish that that the aztecs would have had the maori's attitude and that cortez could have had cooks. or that Cortez could have met with the Maori and Cook with the Aztecs.
How differnt things might have been
Edit: I just found out cook was an asshole in Hawaii n got killed for it, very satisfying that the pacific islanders didn't take no shit
Natives had no such nationalistic perceptions. Nationalism is European thinking. It's simply that they are very warlike people, constantly fighting eachother, and so they understand force and when to apply to get what they want. See how when they fired the warning shot at the boat the natives immediately went to war mode and if they could would've killed all the Europeans there yet those they took on their boat were readily friendly. It seems bizarre but it's perfectly normal behaviour for their culture. This kind of culture simply attacks anyone that enters their territory especially other natives (because they think the only reason for someone 'other' to be there is to wage war upon them). Thus they have no conception of hospitality or accommodating anyone outside of their tribe or clan.
Another factor is that they realised their guns were powerful and badly wanted them for war purposes. A few guns and the knowledge to use them would allow them to dominate other natives.
European explorers were generally like Cook even back in 1500. They didn't think themselves invaders or disparage or attack the natives. There are two reasons for it: curiosity for the world and 'uplifting' it with civilisation and Christianity. Only when they establish colonies and political/economic factors are more instrumental does the understanding of the natives intentionally become warped in common thinking. Europeans have been commonly humanistic since the late middleages so the grievance Cook expresses here is one all would agree on and feel shame.
Cortéz was running from the law in Cuba and had to get something to show fast. The Aztecs were dealing with their empire falling apart and needed no new enemies. It was just coincidence things happened as they did.
@Patrick Lynn 🤣👍🏽
@Patrick Lynn It's a video on RUclips so it must be true!
@Patrick Lynn Wow I never knew the Celts were so advanced they managed to circumnavigate the world thousands of years before anyone else did!
*Pizarro captures Atahualpa*
Google it mate. The extracts written by the spaniards monks are schocking.
Captain Cook, great explorer, diplomatic skills needed refining.
Maori diplomacy is basically just fighting
Wow, so Cook and his men came in exploration and defended themselves and in spite of the aggressions sought to bring people aboard to learn from them. It's a shame he fired at the ship that left them, though obviously he regrets his actions.
Anyone here saying that Cook was a fine chap: Remember that this is what Cook says about himself. He's got a vested interest in showing himself as a great person. Take everything with a grain of salt, just like you should any other historical figure.
I just don't know why he, after first contact, don't just go back to his ship and sail some miles away from this place to prevent any more deaths.
This is captain Cook of 1762 Britain not captain Picard of the 24th century Federation.
Think this was poverty bay Gisborne
I believe so
Amazing!
Why was everyone initial reactions to kill eachother lol
Fear breeds violence.
@Tom Guadalupe dude what are you smoking? Can I get some?
@@TheAnthery yeah and fears brought on my ignorance.
@Tom Guadalupe what to kill/fight everything I come across? Dude again where can I get what you're smoking it seems potent
@Tom Guadalupe thats quite an arrogant and ignorant comment. the question is perfectly legitimate. arguments about horrors of colonialisation dont apply to first contact, they couldnt have known what would follow first contact with europeans.
there have been plenty of first contacts, even with other polynesians that were peaceful. so its a valid question: why did maori react more hostile in their initial encounters with europeans than other polynesians? the answer is probably the war like maori culture due to the fact that new zealand is large enough for plenty of infighting. nor was new zealand part of a global trade network where they could expect friendly or atleast (non hostile) strangers looking to trade. considering those two facts if you see strangers it usually means trouble. more isolated islanders usually react less hostile (but still wary). but isolation also means one negative experience of first contact gone wrong usually stick around for many generations see the sentinelse as an example.
The Maori dance and brandish clubs as a welcoming dance, believe it or not. Same with the fierce Haku. Misunderstood customs on both sides which led to a typical outcome sometimes.
it could have been worse he could have referred to them as ni.....!
They did and still do
Very interesting! I suppose explorers were trespassers, strange, a threat, the natives were scared and confused, plus the fact no one could really understand the purpose.
Cook had good character and disciplined as a good Christian, unlike Columbus who massacred. Millions
"....who massacred. Millions."
As if we needed further evidence of the poison poured into young minds by state schooling.
A B O L I S H S T A T E S C H O O L I N G N O W!
@@JohnSmith-gh3kp there letters written home by his men saying when we got here there were 2 million people now thers a few thousand. He was a Jesuit and killed all natives unless they became Christian. Until word got around what he was doing . He barely made it home, fing scumbag.
@@1Hannigan1 Absolute blithering falsehoods. 1. There were not millions. 2. The Spanish were physically incapable of killing millions. 3. Columbus was a sailor, not a Jesuit.
Took a lot of guts for the captain to go ahead alone without anyone to back him up. And even when he needed protection he still had them stay back 600 feet.
We come in peace, Bang Bang, oops we've killed a couple, lets give them some decent clothes.
As a native New Zealander,this presentation hits a sensitive spot.I am aware these events took place over 250 years ago and we,native New Zealand Māori,weren’t the only victims of this colonial piracy.The narration is excellent and the document itself is a good reminder and source of evidence of the thievery,trespass and murder committed on order from the Queen by her servants.I remember feeling some satisfaction upon learning of captain James Cook’s eventual demise at the hands of a tribe of native Tahitians,I must admit.
Chief see pale face kill Took Took with thunderstick pale-faces have many thundersticks Chief have good idea we take everything from pale faces what can go wrong
Then Pale-face was Nom-nom by Hawaiiam Bradaz.
Topia spoke to them in his own language and they were surprised they understand?? Can you find something on topia?
While he wasn't a Maori his language was very similar and hence why they could understand the majority of what he was saying.
I was wondering as well, but it seems Topia (spelling?) would have been from the Society Islands which Cook just departed.