Bashing professionals saying they won't use this board is crap, I am a pro and I do, maybe if you understood construction as a pro does or as the manufacture who makes the boards you would know you need to span a board at least 4 joist and it needs to be locked down and you wouldn't get the flex you got in your basement test, if installed peranufacture recommendations you won't have the issue, try reading install instructions in full and stop bashing pros and manufactures, on the positive side anyone who watches and builds your way will have a deck costing twice as much as needed and be way over built
Let's talk about non-diagonal deck, read installation instructions in full? You asked for it. Quote from the manufacturer's instructions, Azek said "For a more rigid feel, 12” may be preferred". Quote from Wolf installation guide "For best results, space 12” OC to minimize deflection". I guess you don't agree with any of these as a Pro, eh? I am sorry but I don't know where you got that "secure boards to at least 4 joists will eliminate flex" idea, share the link to everyone from manufacturer to prove your point. All I know is that both companies recommend 12" OC, written black and white on the installation guide. Maybe you have misunderstood what I said, I love Azek, but what I was disappointed is that, they should have made 12" OC as minimal requirement, not a "recommendation" even for consumer deck. I did 16" OC on the first deck attached to the house and that's how I encountered the flex problem, I got way more than 4 joists and the problem is there. When I started to work on the other section, I did 12" OC and the difference was HUGE, it's rock solid. Have you actually physically walked on an Azek PVC deck with 12" OC and compare to 16" OC? Don't tell me you don't feel difference. If your customers ask for 12" OC, you just charge them more. For material on a 10x10 non-diagonal deck, you only need 3 more joists on 12" OC than 16" OC, chill bro. These are the references: - Azek PDF: pdf.lowes.com/installationguides/683531011716_install.pdf (Page 3, bullet point #5) - Wolf PDF: windeck.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/WOLF_PVC_Deck_Installation_09_2013.pdf (Page 1, 2nd paragraph, bullet point #6)
My fiance and I built our wooden deck by watching your videos. The way you explain one process over another answered every question we had. Can't wait to see the finished product and more of your diy projects. Keep up the good work!
My friend, your videos are the best out there. Very Informative and no fuss. Keep them coming. They have been very useful for my small low level deck project here in Sydney, Australia. 🤙🔨🛠 keep up the good work.
I am really glad it helps!!! Thanks a lot! I really want to share my experience and help others. I recently bought 2 pieces of those triangle sail shade, I think they originally came from Australia!!! Love those, I will make a video on that! Stay tuned!
Thank you for posting so much excellent information. I have to rebuild my rotting deck because I can't afford to pay a contractor. this will help immensely. Thank you Thank you!!!! great videos!!
Thanks for this information about the joist spacing for diagonal decking. This would have escaped my attention. I’m going to use pressure treated lumber. Probably wouldn’t have noticed but if I go 10” center my ground level picture framed diagonal deck should be solid. Not sure why I am going with all this detail. No one will see it other than me and if anyone else sees it I doubt they will notice. Lol But I will notice my own workmanship😮
Just watched your DIY Deck series (11 pats so far)….Outstanding! Soooooo helpful. I'm planning my low level deck to build myself in the spring using PVC decking here in Ottawa. Saw in one of your videos that you considered Azek and Wolf PVC products. Did you look at any others? How about Tivadek? Just curious.
Cool video. I'm planning to diagonal my 12" OC in the next couple weeks so will consider doing as you did for the extra bracing support. A few questions, anything indicate that Timbertech is perhaps stronger than the Azek PVC? I was set on Azek Weathered Teak. Also, can issue with the 45 degree butt joint? The instructions say not to do and I don't really know why as the point of that joint is to hide the space from contraction/expansion
Timbertech isn't a lot stronger than Azek, I got both samples. The only difference is that they have better quality pattern and color, also they are reversible. Azek PVC is very strong, I love it.
Hi. I enjoy your videos. I just had a question. If the Aztec board were screwed down across 4 joists (or more), like many of them would be, then wouldn't that resist the extreme flexing by the screws forcing the decking down on the ends? I'm sure they will still flex, but if you could try to do that experiment that would be nice. I'm choosing between this and cedar decking. But if this is a waste of time and money I understand. Thanks for your videos!
Sorry for the late reply. I built my first deck attached to the house (yes, secured it across way more than 4 joists of course). I discovered this problem when I did 16" OC on my first deck attached to the house, there was NOTHING I could do. That's why when I did the 2nd part and 3 part of the deck of this project, I tried to let you know my first hand experience. Check out Part #9 when I installed the Azek boards with 16" OC. ruclips.net/video/MFky6W4Y0Ag/видео.html
I hate the look of Trex and pvc decking but it’s super practical in that there’s no maintenance involved. But great video. I’d say your as good as any other licensed contractor doing the same job.
I can tell you, I love PVC on the no maintenance part. It passed 2 harsh Canadian winters already, all I did was pressure washer it in beginning of Spring and it looks like new again. My neighbor has Trex and it's maintenance free too, I had pressure treated before.... it's bad. The only wood deck material I think I want to try in my life is IPE. Both Trex and Azek are very good options. Yes, go with these 2 big names, can't go wrong with that. They have very good quality product. Sometimes, your our local hardware stores carry some deck boards brand that you have never heard of, they are cheap Made in China stuff, I would definitely avoid them.
Just thought I would add a comment. I am redoing my deck and did a lot of studying. Timbertech Azek Harvest scored among the highest ratings in Consumer Reports. They did rate the aluminum decking higher but I preferred the look of the PVC decking. I will report back when I have completed the resurfacing of my deck. It is 12" on center joists and the boards are diagonal with a center board and I will just duplicate the existing pattern. I will also use a picture frame to hide the edges.
Azek's Brazilian Walnut (Dark tone) and Silver Oak (Light tone), I checked their web site, I can't seem to find silver oak, maybe they discontinued that. Hope that helps!
So i finished framing my deck and i am using composite deck boards. I too read the instructions from manufacture after i completed the framing. I framed the joist 16 on center instead on 12" on center. I am looking to set my boards diagonally.Is there a fix to this or do i have to remove all joists and do over? PLEASE HELP!
Sorry for late reply. If you still haven't put down the boards, I would add tons of 2x4s in between, it's better than none. Since you finished framing, re-doing isn't an option. BTW, Composite is way harder than PVC.
that's one reason, the other is the fact that he didn't screw it before testing... I think 16" on center is enough, but if you do it diagonal I'll do it 12" on center.
I completed the first deck using 16" OC attached to the house and that's how I encountered the flex problem. Then, I started to work on the other section, I did 12" OC and the difference was HUGE, it's rock solid. If you physically walk on an Azek PVC deck with 12" OC and compare to 16" OC, you can really feel difference. I did not make these up. Let's do some reading and quote from the manufacturer's instructions, Azek said "For a more rigid feel, 12” may be preferred". Quote from Wolf installation guide "For best results, space 12” OC to minimize deflection". These are the references: - Azek PDF: pdf.lowes.com/installationguides/683531011716_install.pdf (Page 3, bullet point #5) - Wolf PDF: windeck.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/WOLF_PVC_Deck_Installation_09_2013.pdf (Page 1, 2nd paragraph, bullet point #6)
When you fasten the deck multiple times further out than just 1 on each side of 12” on center you gain additional strength from the entire board not being able to flex upward. Your initial test is not a true test, lacking in a real world application
your initial test is not really accurate. the board in your test is not anchored to other joists beyond the test joists. that being said, i have some sort of composite decking and it's a lot thinner, heavier, and 'bouncier' than real wood. which i will probably replace with real wood because the joists are rotting thanks to the "professional' installer being an idiot...
Composite decking is a lot stronger than PVC. The initial test shows the difference even they are not anchored to other joists. Again, quote from the manufacturer's instructions, Azek said "For a more rigid feel, 12” may be preferred". Quote from Wolf installation guide "For best results, space 12” OC to minimize deflection". - Azek PDF: pdf.lowes.com/installationguides/683531011716_install.pdf (Page 3, bullet point #5) - Wolf PDF: windeck.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/WOLF_PVC_Deck_Installation_09_2013.pdf (Page 1, 2nd paragraph, bullet point #6)
DIYable I mean if you have all the time in the world and it’s on your own house ok. But if you’re trying to make a living no. This is just not practical. Also cost of material could be way less and still achieve the same result.
DIYable I like how you put spacers in that little triangle piece too as if you can’t just eyeball it and have it look fine. Just way too extra man. Probably took you forever to do this. Looks really nice though.
Bashing professionals saying they won't use this board is crap, I am a pro and I do, maybe if you understood construction as a pro does or as the manufacture who makes the boards you would know you need to span a board at least 4 joist and it needs to be locked down and you wouldn't get the flex you got in your basement test, if installed peranufacture recommendations you won't have the issue, try reading install instructions in full and stop bashing pros and manufactures, on the positive side anyone who watches and builds your way will have a deck costing twice as much as needed and be way over built
Let's talk about non-diagonal deck, read installation instructions in full? You asked for it. Quote from the manufacturer's instructions, Azek said "For a more
rigid feel, 12” may be preferred". Quote from Wolf installation guide "For best results, space 12” OC to minimize deflection". I guess you don't agree with any of these as a Pro, eh? I am sorry but I don't know where you got that "secure boards to at least 4 joists will eliminate flex" idea, share the link to everyone from manufacturer to prove your point. All I know is that both companies recommend 12" OC, written black and white on the installation guide. Maybe you have misunderstood what I said, I love Azek, but what I was disappointed is that, they should have made 12" OC as minimal requirement, not a "recommendation" even for consumer deck.
I did 16" OC on the first deck attached to the house and that's how I encountered the flex problem, I got way more than 4 joists and the problem is there. When I started to work on the other section, I did 12" OC and the difference was HUGE, it's rock solid. Have you actually physically walked on an Azek PVC deck with 12" OC and compare to 16" OC? Don't tell me you don't feel difference.
If your customers ask for 12" OC, you just charge them more. For material on a 10x10 non-diagonal deck, you only need 3 more joists on 12" OC than 16" OC, chill bro. These are the references:
- Azek PDF: pdf.lowes.com/installationguides/683531011716_install.pdf
(Page 3, bullet point #5)
- Wolf PDF: windeck.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/WOLF_PVC_Deck_Installation_09_2013.pdf
(Page 1, 2nd paragraph, bullet point #6)
I know I'm pretty randomly asking but do anyone know of a good website to watch newly released movies online?
@Jaxtyn Allan Flixportal xD
@Dawson Benedict thank you, I went there and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :D I appreciate it !!
@Jaxtyn Allan glad I could help =)
My fiance and I built our wooden deck by watching your videos. The way you explain one process over another answered every question we had. Can't wait to see the finished product and more of your diy projects. Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much. I am so glad it helped!!!!!
Wow
You’re very meticulous and detailed.
Great work.
Love knowing that some people still put heart into work.
Thanks! I really want to help and inspire more people into DIY. It saves a lot of money on labor if you are enjoy doing that.
My friend, your videos are the best out there. Very Informative and no fuss. Keep them coming. They have been very useful for my small low level deck project here in Sydney, Australia. 🤙🔨🛠 keep up the good work.
I am really glad it helps!!! Thanks a lot! I really want to share my experience and help others. I recently bought 2 pieces of those triangle sail shade, I think they originally came from Australia!!! Love those, I will make a video on that! Stay tuned!
I'm also about to do a low level deck. Do you have any photos or anything online
Wonderful improvisation with the 2x4s for support.
I mean that’s the only thing you can do there
Superb video extremely professional. I love the part where you say " you have unlimited time, if your wife is considerate" :)
LOL.. it's true though...
I really like your work, you're a skilled craftsman! I have to put up a deck for the first time and I appreciate all of your battle proven techniques!
More proven techniques to come... BBQ station video is coming soon. Stay tuned!!!!!
Could never be in business and work like this. Way too much wood. Takes way too long. And he’s wrong the 16 on center thing.
Tremendeous ! Most beautiful work on youtube
Thank you for your nice comments!
Thank you for posting so much excellent information. I have to rebuild my rotting deck because I can't afford to pay a contractor. this will help immensely. Thank you Thank you!!!! great videos!!
I am glad it helps.. yes DIY saves a lot of money as long as you enjoy it.
Amazing job so far bud
Beautiful!
Thank you! Cheers!
Thanks for this information about the joist spacing for diagonal decking. This would have escaped my attention. I’m going to use pressure treated lumber. Probably wouldn’t have noticed but if I go 10” center my ground level picture framed diagonal deck should be solid. Not sure why I am going with all this detail. No one will see it other than me and if anyone else sees it I doubt they will notice. Lol But I will notice my own workmanship😮
Awesome video. Thank you
Glad you liked it!
Great work!
Thank you! Cheers!
Nice job
Your are really awesome and professional installer
Just watched your DIY Deck series (11 pats so far)….Outstanding! Soooooo helpful. I'm planning my low level deck to build myself in the spring using PVC decking here in Ottawa. Saw in one of your videos that you considered Azek and Wolf PVC products. Did you look at any others? How about Tivadek? Just curious.
We looked at some others too but either they are not within our price range or they don't have much selection. No.. we haven't looked at Tivadek.
Awesome information. Keep building! What type [and size] of nails did you use for the spacers? I didn't catch that in the 9th episode for this series.
Great video
Glad it helped
Cool video. I'm planning to diagonal my 12" OC in the next couple weeks so will consider doing as you did for the extra bracing support. A few questions, anything indicate that Timbertech is perhaps stronger than the Azek PVC? I was set on Azek Weathered Teak. Also, can issue with the 45 degree butt joint? The instructions say not to do and I don't really know why as the point of that joint is to hide the space from contraction/expansion
Timbertech isn't a lot stronger than Azek, I got both samples. The only difference is that they have better quality pattern and color, also they are reversible. Azek PVC is very strong, I love it.
Hi. I enjoy your videos. I just had a question. If the Aztec board were screwed down across 4 joists (or more), like many of them would be, then wouldn't that resist the extreme flexing by the screws forcing the decking down on the ends? I'm sure they will still flex, but if you could try to do that experiment that would be nice. I'm choosing between this and cedar decking. But if this is a waste of time and money I understand. Thanks for your videos!
Sorry for the late reply. I built my first deck attached to the house (yes, secured it across way more than 4 joists of course). I discovered this problem when I did 16" OC on my first deck attached to the house, there was NOTHING I could do. That's why when I did the 2nd part and 3 part of the deck of this project, I tried to let you know my first hand experience.
Check out Part #9 when I installed the Azek boards with 16" OC.
ruclips.net/video/MFky6W4Y0Ag/видео.html
I hate the look of Trex and pvc decking but it’s super practical in that there’s no maintenance involved. But great video. I’d say your as good as any other licensed contractor doing the same job.
I can tell you, I love PVC on the no maintenance part. It passed 2 harsh Canadian winters already, all I did was pressure washer it in beginning of Spring and it looks like new again. My neighbor has Trex and it's maintenance free too, I had pressure treated before.... it's bad. The only wood deck material I think I want to try in my life is IPE.
Both Trex and Azek are very good options. Yes, go with these 2 big names, can't go wrong with that. They have very good quality product. Sometimes, your our local hardware stores carry some deck boards brand that you have never heard of, they are cheap Made in China stuff, I would definitely avoid them.
Just thought I would add a comment. I am redoing my deck and did a lot of studying. Timbertech Azek Harvest scored among the highest ratings in Consumer Reports. They did rate the aluminum decking higher but I preferred the look of the PVC decking. I will report back when I have completed the resurfacing of my deck. It is 12" on center joists and the boards are diagonal with a center board and I will just duplicate the existing pattern. I will also use a picture frame to hide the edges.
DIYable, did you use a CONCEALoc hidden fastener at every joist or just at every 16" OC?
Your deck looks amazing! What Azek colors did you use?
Azek's Brazilian Walnut (Dark tone) and Silver Oak (Light tone), I checked their web site, I can't seem to find silver oak, maybe they discontinued that. Hope that helps!
So i finished framing my deck and i am using composite deck boards. I too read the instructions from manufacture after i completed the framing. I framed the joist 16 on center instead on 12" on center. I am looking to set my boards diagonally.Is there a fix to this or do i have to remove all joists and do over? PLEASE HELP!
Sorry for late reply. If you still haven't put down the boards, I would add tons of 2x4s in between, it's better than none. Since you finished framing, re-doing isn't an option. BTW, Composite is way harder than PVC.
can I ask what is your accent? It's so fabulous, I love listening to it :D
Did you secure that first diagonal piece of floor with cortex or hidden fasteners?
Hidden fastener
Not shown in video: the pile of triangles that didn't fit right into the corners. :D
Actually a ton of then get used in the corners
Wonder if that flex on 16" was due to not enough planks being interlocked together during your basement test.
that's one reason, the other is the fact that he didn't screw it before testing... I think 16" on center is enough, but if you do it diagonal I'll do it 12" on center.
You are speaking as if the deck boards are tongue and groove. This is not the case. Neighboring boards do not add to a board's rigidity.
I completed the first deck using 16" OC attached to the house and that's how I encountered the flex problem. Then, I started to work on the other section, I did 12" OC and the difference was HUGE, it's rock solid. If you physically walk on an Azek PVC deck with 12" OC and compare to 16" OC, you can really feel difference.
I did not make these up. Let's do some reading and quote from the manufacturer's instructions, Azek said "For a more rigid feel, 12” may be preferred". Quote from Wolf installation guide "For best results, space 12” OC to minimize deflection".
These are the references:
- Azek PDF: pdf.lowes.com/installationguides/683531011716_install.pdf
(Page 3, bullet point #5)
- Wolf PDF: windeck.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/WOLF_PVC_Deck_Installation_09_2013.pdf
(Page 1, 2nd paragraph, bullet point #6)
Correct, load transfers between multiple boards make a huge difference...deflection is almost none existent.
What design software did you use?
Check out Part 1 of the video series:
ruclips.net/video/uH0w9KxYF-A/видео.html
Yep, a 45 degrees diagonal is obaut 1,41 times longer than a straight
Why would you go 8.5" oc as opposed to 8" oc?
if you're decking............il be back!
I think he also dug Montreal metro tunnel....
How do you know? Damn.. you revealed my secret...
@@DIYable I saw the map at 1:09 😅
tie the ends down and not just the joists you can see
When you fasten the deck multiple times further out than just 1 on each side of 12” on center you gain additional strength from the entire board not being able to flex upward.
Your initial test is not a true test, lacking in a real world application
your initial test is not really accurate. the board in your test is not anchored to other joists beyond the test joists. that being said, i have some sort of composite decking and it's a lot thinner, heavier, and 'bouncier' than real wood. which i will probably replace with real wood because the joists are rotting thanks to the "professional' installer being an idiot...
Composite decking is a lot stronger than PVC. The initial test shows the difference even they are not anchored to other joists. Again, quote from the manufacturer's instructions, Azek said "For a more rigid feel, 12” may be preferred". Quote from Wolf installation guide "For best results, space 12” OC to minimize deflection".
- Azek PDF: pdf.lowes.com/installationguides/683531011716_install.pdf
(Page 3, bullet point #5)
- Wolf PDF: windeck.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/WOLF_PVC_Deck_Installation_09_2013.pdf
(Page 1, 2nd paragraph, bullet point #6)
Way too much overkill here. Not practical. Too much of a pain in the ass. This is wrong.
Sorry to disappoint you...
DIYable I mean if you have all the time in the world and it’s on your own house ok. But if you’re trying to make a living no. This is just not practical. Also cost of material could be way less and still achieve the same result.
DIYable I like how you put spacers in that little triangle piece too as if you can’t just eyeball it and have it look fine. Just way too extra man. Probably took you forever to do this. Looks really nice though.
Sort your shaky voice out mate.. it's annoying.