I like the idea that Termina is a future Hyrule, tough I'm not sure of your placement of it in the timeline. It might make more sense to put it after Spirit Tracks, that way the change of religion and government makes more sense. The Terminians might be the people of New Hyrule re-discovering old Hyule and founding the kingdom of Ikana in opposition to the the new Hyrule kingdom. Hell, the ninjas sent against the Ikana kingdom could be a detachment of Sheika's and the four giant might me what's left of the guardian spirits in old Hyrule. Termina could also be it's own branch in the timeline opening new possibilities.
In spite of some holes, this theory actually makes sense. In the Wind Waker Hyrule, I'd also like to mention how you could see snowy mountains and Ganon's Tower could be a repurposed Stone Tower. The one thing I'd like to know is where they would find another Princess Zelda.
I thought it was a funny theory and obviously not cannon until he mentioned the Skull Kid smelling and remembering Link from all those years ago. I think Nintendo did their job well with the time-line, almost too well.
it all seems like a big stretch (but its just a theory afterall). but you have very interesting ideas about fierce deity. i had just written it off as a reward for collecting all the masks. but you convinced me to believe that the mask is essentially how the people viewed "a" hero of time (not necessarily Link from OoT but maybe another version of him or potentially another great warrior altogether). it could be their legends and myths made manifest. its the first time i watched your video. you have a good narration voice and a clear and concise way of making your points. good job!
Fun theory. I'm in the camp that the events of Termina are all just a dream from Link while he was sleeping in the Temple of Time. This would explain why things from Ocarina child-Link appears here. Take this for example, the guards in Clocktown are Hyrule guards, they have the royal family insignias on their armor. Perhaps sleeping in the Temple of Time gave Link visions of the future.
I always agreed with the grief theory but never felt the him being dead part fit but he coulda been dreaming on his self doubt of defeating ganondorf an went through the stages of grief too get to accept the fact that he needed to wake up an fight and everything was so bleak because he didnt think he could save them all at first
the guards in clock town don't have the royal insignia on their armor. And no, MM took place directly after Link was sent back in time by Zelda. No, it's not a dream, it canonically happened; whether the land ceased to exist afterwards or not.
Child Link would also be explained by the fact that after defeating Ganon in the Adult timeline, Zelda sent Link back in time so he could have the childhood that was taken from him. Plus, MM is confirmed to take place after OoT.
An interesting theory. While I question some elements (mainly that I remember MM being confirmed a direct sequel to OoT) you clearly put a lot of thought into this.
Majority mask is a direct sequel to ocarina of time in alternate timeline way Wind waker is the same timeline story direct sequel in the same future The child timeline is the alternate Split by definition of the story progression plot
I feel like this theory relies on a whole lot of speculation, and has too many holes. It was an interesting theory though, and well made video. If Termina was Hyrule from a different time, I'd actually put it pre-SS. The west is the ocean, and MM Great Bay Temple has very similar music to SS Pirate Hideout (also located in the northeast ocean, if I remember correctly.) Also, the weird statue in Stone Tower Temple is in the Fire Temple of SS, implying communication between the two people who built the structures. We know that pre-SS, the people had better technology, just like in Termina. The land also would not have been named Hyrule yet. People looking similar would be the reverse of your theory. Instead of being descendants, they would be ancestors. I think it would have to be quite a long time before Demise's attack, since technology in MM isn't quite to SS Lanayru standards yet. This theory is not without holes either. Zora's are implied to have began in SS, so them existing before might be a little weird. Hylia is also never mentioned, despite seeming to be a big part of pre-SS Hyrule (unless she's the goddess of time...)
@@goopi_eh Gladly! In Skyward Sword, there is an unconfirmed timeline split. In one timeline, Demise was defeated in the future by Link's use of the Triforce and the Statue of the Goddess crushing the Imprisoned. In the other timeline, Demise is destroyed thousands of years early, allowed human to resettle the surface much earlier than in the main timeline. This is the timeline I will be focusing on; the one where Denise was defeated and humans resettled the surface early. Having immediately repopulated the surface after the events of the game, they would have begun taking measures to prevent the desertification of Lanayru using it's advanced technology at their disposal. In the game's opening cinematic, we hear that the demon hordes "choked the land's sweet springs." It's possible that monsters had somehow diverted the flow of water from the region, resulting in the desertification we see in Skyward Sword. Evidence of there being a blocked waterway can be seen in Breath of the wild. Looking at the Greudo canyon on the map, we can see that a nearby river is abruptly cut off, with the landscape implying that it once fed water into the region. Using Lanayru's advanced tech alongside manpower, the blockage could be reversed, and the region would remain saturated with water for centuries to come. As time passed, the technology began to degrade, however. Without the help of the people who created it, it could not be maintained. This would ultimately result in a rapid technological regression in the region, causing it to become more medieval than high-tech. The already existing circular stone structures in Lanayru could still be of use after the regression; as walls surrounding a town. The circular stone structures would be repurposed and gradually modified to become the walls of Clock Town. With me establishing that Clock Town sits at the center of the stone rings in Lanayru, everything else falls into place. The Greudo Canyon to the east will become Ikana Canyon, the Sand Sea to the west will become the Great Bay, and the Greudo Highlands to the north (as seen in BotW) will become Snowhead. The river running through the canyon would feed into an area south of Clock Town and transform it into a swamp. Voila! Termina!
Honestly I can't even argue with a lot of this. Honestly convincing as hell. As far as I can tell none of this conflicts with the official timeline considering it would be the child timeline link who traveled into this alternative future.
I'm not actually too sure. I didn't really consider him when making the video but it's a good point. I think he may have something to do with the Goddess Of Time maybe because when the moon falls the next thing you hear is him laughing and saying you've met with a terrible fate haven't you. Not only that but the clock tower he's located in is a place where time doesn't move so maybe he's a messenger of the Goddess of Time herself. Not to sure though he might just be some weird guy that followed Link into Termina accidentally. Thank you for bringing him up though I'll definitely be theorising over his involvement in the theory for a while.
So this theory would work with the idea why the upside down Triforce is found throughout Termina if it’s not Lorule. Terminian’s were disappointed in the goddesses so they turned to the goddess of time
I honestly think termina is actually an alternate reality or Links afterlife because when you break then Windwaker they are wondering why Link didn't return to protect them from Ganon. That fall that link takes at the begining of Majora's mask is very far and the fact that it is hard ground below when he wakes up leads me to think Termina was an afterlife for the child link. The reasoning for Termina could be alternate world is the portal there could be one way and Links unable to return which gives the cause for the Flood that happens in Windwaker.
I disagree. I personally believe Termina is an alternate dimension. You have some cool ideas! Especially regarding the Feirce Diety Mask. I like the idea that in the memories & folklore of the people of Termina a hero (alternate dimension adult Link) defeated some evil (or even good) force, then disappeared. I love that line of dialogue about bag guys/good guys. It's huge credit to the game that so many theories can be made. Personal theory *SPOILERS*: i believe the friend Link is looking for isn't Navi. It's Skull Kid. They formed a friendship in OoT after the mask swap. The drawing at the end depicts Link & Skull Kid playing as friends. It's sad that Skull Kid doesn't remember Link (an effect of having Majora's Mask on. Maybe I'll make a video of this some day!
2 things about that: 1) When referencing the friend he is searching for at the start, it makes a fairy noise. 2) Skull Kid did remember him, in the end cutscene after sniffing him up close.
@@_Teej_264 thanks TJ! I didn't know that about the fairy noise. Very cool. I had forgotten Skull Kid remembered him, it's been a few years since i last completed. Let me be clear: i do believe it's likely based on evidence that it is intended that Navi is the friend; but my own personal belief when i first completed the game, was that it was Skull Kid. And i still love this interpretation. Prove it wrong all you like, I'll still love the idea of it.
@@RydCook ruclips.net/video/5c2Kb2RI2es/видео.html The sound is at 3:16, if you wanted to hear it. Personally growing up I had thought it was for Saria until more sources pointed to Navi. But yeah no worries about right or wrong. I just love this game and love when others do too. If your interpretation makes you happy, then it is a good one!
@@_Teej_264 listened! Brilliant, thank you. Ah yeah, Saria is a good shout. Part of what I love about Zelda is how ambiguous it can be. Allowing for all sorts of beliefs and theories.
I had the idea that Termina is also the Seas of the Ocean King in Phantom Hourglass, like if Hyrule was flooded then Termina ended up flooded as well. Like the Isle of Frost looks a bit like Snowhead to me and Gorons are native to the region. Idk just a headcanon of mine
another point, the Deku Scrubs could be the transition between kokiri and the Koroks. the deku scrubs share the Deku part of their name with The Great Deku Tree and Deku Baba. Deku Babas appear to be already within the Kokiri forest and in the Lost woods before Ganandorf came, and the Deku Scrubs appear inside The Great Deku Tree, guarding Queen Ghoma. The term Deku therefore leads me to believe it is a term referring to forest spirits or creatures relating to the forest. The Great Deku tree may have turned the Kokiri to the Deku scrubs seen in Majora's Mask allowing them to be closer to The Deku Tree, the forest and further from Hylians, who have caused many atrocities. This can also explain the transformation to the Koroks, since Koroks can fly and so can Deku scrubs, Koroks appear to be made of wood as do Deku Scrubs. The only issue is the lack of The great Deku Tree, however, there are other guardian spirits missing from other areas as well, such as Lord Jabu Jabu, who may have evolved into something else in-between Jabun, therefore, it may be reasonable to suggest that the Great Deku Tree isn't absent entirely, we just don't see him. In the Wind Waker, The Great Deku Tree has his roots all over the seas, this may be an attempt to stay informed about the world so that the Koroks weren't aggressive to the new hero as was the case in Majora's Mask. The only issue I see with this entire Theory as a whole, is Link having memories of princess Zelda and having obtained the Ocarina of Time, yet that portal to Termina did lead to clock Town, where the God of Time is worshipped, and Ocarina of Time Link, is the Hero of Time- yet honestly I don't see why the Goddess would let Skull Kid and Majora back in time, only to let them back with Link unless the Skull Kid leading Link in the portal was the only way to get him to Termina.
Just to add, we know that The Great Deku Tree can turn some creatures into others, such is the case of turning people who get lost in The Lost Woods to Stalfos or Skull Kids, so it isn't impossible for this to happen.
Windwaker is at most 200 years after OoT. We know that because Nintendo has stated that Windwaker was about the same time at Twilight Princess in a different timeline. So no way it’s wasn’t that long in between Links. Also Windwaker is in the timeline that Link stays as an adult, so it’s more likely that his story got told (crazy to think that the public would believe it lmao) or there is another event that occurred with adult OoT Link that’s not Majora’s Mask because it didn’t happen in the same timeline. It’s an interesting theory but a lot of it goes off of Majora’s Mask happening in the same timeline as Wind Waker which officially isn’t true. Another point: where’s the Great Deku tree? In Windwaker we get the same Great Deku tree (as a sapling) as the one in OoT due to he recognizes and mistakes Link as the Hero of Time. If you look at the map of OoT and Windwaker it’s very similar too. Although I do think maps aren’t the best way to connect Zelda games due to Nintendo changing maps due to gameplay and not lore. Again, interesting theory if the official timeline wasn’t released it might be a bit easier to connect the two.
I understand what you're getting at here. I know that Nintendo have said that Windwaker has taken place around the same time as twilight princess however in my opinion that just feels a bit off. The legend at the beginning of Windwaker is presented as ancient legend. 200 years isn't a lot of time. Hyrule wouldn't have been forgotten in that time. Furthermore, my theory is saying that the portal is a portal between timelines. It would still work with the official timeline. With Adult link, Adult Link only existed until the end of oot. He's sent back in time, meaning there's actually no Link in the adult timeline. Allowing him to return in the future from the child timeline. Anyway this is just my wacky weird theory and my opinion. I'm glad you found it interesting anyway 👍
@@meerkatolive oh I can understand that, I definitely don’t agree where Four Swords Adventure was placed. However, in Hyrule Encyclopedia there is a page dedicated to what comparing Windwaker and OoT. It compares the two maps and says Gerudo fortress became the forsaken fortress, people from Kakariko and Castle Town are now Windfall, and also Outset is Ordon from Twilight Princess and apparently Zora’s domain is Dragon Roost which that’s the one that doesn’t make sense to me when Death Mountain is the highest point of Hyrule, also don’t know why fish turned into birds after a flood but 🤷🏻♀️ Anyway you can find the whole page on google it’s interesting. Of course there is that argument that these books are canon or not. It does get approved by Nintendo so again 🤷🏻♀️
Yeah it can definitely get confusing with what's canon. Some things in the books make sense, some don't. I think it mostly comes down to interpretation. I think there's a line in the encyclopedia that says that. I hope that they release an updated one eventually that makes more sense
@@Lilwhitelily Re: how the "fish" turned into "birds": It wouldn't be too much of a leap, since Valoo is the one who grants them their wings when they come of age, that Valoo was the one who altered them such that they could live out of the water with special Din-Granted Spirit Magic, using Din's affinity for Earth and Fire to 're-tune' the Zora from their Water Affinity into Rito. As to why they had to get out of the water: 1: They're freshwater amphibians at best; saltwater isn't any better for them then it is for us. 2: There's monsters and shit in there.
@@Lilwhitelily yup not only that it’s a big give twilight princess has to have happened waaaaay before wind waker parallel Because ganondorf he looks waaay older in wind waker and twilight princess he looks much younger closer to his OOT younger counterpart Not to mention there is that thing the king says HUNDREDS OF YEARS have PASSED SINCE THEN OF THE FLOOD No way do they take place at the same time I can seeing people say that and iam like nah there is evidence in game to say other wise
No. The ancient hyrule from wind water is the same hyrule from ocarina of time. That land was flooded in the timeline because of the absence of a hero. Wind waker and majora’s mask are my favourite Zelda games so this would be really cool but I would to say no, despite the evidence.
I know it's the same Hyrule from Ocarina. My theory is saying that the portal takes you through a to the different timeline at some point in the future from Ocarina and before windwaker. But I understand why you might disagree. This theory is very wacky.
Also part of reason MM took a year to make. They took what they developed so far for expansion pack for OoT and reworked it into MM due to poor disk drive sales.
I think Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask are both occurring during the same time frame(Minus Link an adult in OOT) in different Worlds above and below. I prefer to consider it a direct sequel to OOT because I always liked pretending to "leave" Hyrule and go onwards to the next voyage in the "neighbouring Country" and that's when I pull out the cart and pop in Majora's Mask lol.
Majoras mask is a direct sequel but in a alternate timeline where OOT was prevented The child timeline is the split by time travel definition Wind WAKER events happen on the original events and universe of past and future hence the intro story of Ganondorf stealing the golden power the hero of time traveling through time sealing Ganondorf away as said in WW intro The glass windows of the events of ocarina of time ring a bell Ganondorf it’s been awhile boy and ganondorf talk of his original shown down in OOT It’s another big thing that absolutely DEBUNKEs this video it’s a great theory and all though I must say But it’s no doubt Wind waker is the original future events that stem from skyward sword to link pulling the sword and falling asleep 😴 and then waking up and beating ganon
I'm glad you enjoyed the theory 👍. I know they're in two completely separate timelines but the theory is that the portal is a portal that takes you between the two timelines
I don't really buy it. Death Mountain turning from an incredibly active volcano to a snowed over mountain is a kind of geological change that would take millions, if not billions of years, especially since BOTW, which takes 10s of thousands of years after Ocarina, still has Death Mountain as active.
I don't think that it's very likely the denizens of Termina are descendents of characters from oot cause it's implied that it's the same link in both games, the sequel kicking off with links search for Navi. Furthermore, there's no Hyrule castle, no temple of time, no other landmark to suggest that you're in the same area. These are the biggest reasons people tend to think majora is a dream or alt reality. Personally I kinda like to think it was an alt reality, and not even the last one that the hero of time would see, as the next game in that branch of the official timeline (toilet princess) has the spector-gold-wolf-link with very drastically different armour and weapons from anything else you see in or around Hyrule castle. He's a stalfos pretty much. Almost like he got lost in the lost woods, ended up landing himself in several alt realities before he died in the woods, only to be resurrected as a stalfos until the twilight brought his spirit back and he was able to climb out of the lost woods and train the hero of toilets. This would also be why the first time you see him is the entrance to the lost woods. I like to think anyway. That's my head-canon.
I know he's the same Link. I didn't say he wasn't. The theory is saying that Link traveled through a portal that led to a future adult timeline hyrule. For the landmarks, Hyrule changes across a lot of games. For example places like the temple of time aren't found in a link to the past. The castle in OOT was destroyed so it makes sense that wouldn't be there. But anyway that's my weird headcanon. I know it's not too likely but that's just what I like to believe. It's different than most interpretations I've seen.
I mean if we go that with termina is a country separated from hyrule it would have been flooded aswell making a mix of all the landmarks of both thanks to the movement of land with time making both of them the same
The theory would still fit within the timeline. It's saying that the portal underneath the lost woods leads to the windwaker timeline. It's still a continuation of the child timeline as it follows the events of Link travelling back in time from the end of Oot.
I respectfully 100% disagree. Termina is confirmed by Nintendo to be a different dimension. MM is confirmed by Nintendo to be in the child timeline as a direct sequel to oot. WW (which is one of my least favorite) is confirmed to be a direct sequel to oot in the adult timeline. WW map matches up more with OoT map.
I know Majoras Mask is confirmed to be on the child timeline. The theory has nothing to do with that. The timeline shows a chronological set of events that players have to play the games through. Majoras mask comes off the timeline split from Ocarina of time in the child timeline. It starts with Link within that timeline. My theory is saying that the dimension Link travels to is the alternate Hyrule of windwaker which in the child timeline would be a different dimension as it follows different events and has a completely new history. Since Majoras comes off Child timeline events with Link becoming a child and searching for Navi, it would still be in the child timeline as it follows those events. I hope this clears some things up
I really like the idea but sadly it doesn't make any sense since we know that the hero in Majora mask IS the hero of time. I still love the idea idea an the theory of it
Im glad you enjoyed the video. 👍 I know he's the hero of time. There is a section in the video where I go through how him being the hero of time can boost the theory
@@meerkatolive I can now. When that game came out I was 15 turning 16 and price was... £59.99 I think. Wayy too expensive. If they rereleased these on switch I'd buy them but they havnt. They did say it was a possibility but never did it sadly
Your Theory is a lot more Interesting than Termina just being Another Dreamworld... 😒 Termina just Relegated to being a Dreamworld is Just Stupid and it Invalidates Everything that was Set up for both the Hero of Twilight and Twilight Princess as a Whole. Because a Dreamworld has no Real Bearings in the Real World. Plus Dreamworlds just Suck in General for the Legend of Zelda, as the Entire Quest was just so Pointless in the End. What is it that Link Gains from the Dreamworlds? Absolutely Fucking Nothing. No Weapons or Items, not even Knowledge. The Feelings Link gets are not Real either. So Dreamworlds in Zelda are Pointless and Offer Nothing. Because Link is just Dreaming. Anyone can Dream of a Grand Adventure, especially if they have Lucid Dreams, that they can Influence.
A dreamworld is really the only logical explanation for Termina. Although I agree it's a boring theory, it's far easier to except than just about every other one I've heard.
Oh boy. Usually I understand the frustration with the "it was all a dream" approach, but in this particular case I can't help but disagree. First of all, neither Termina nor Koholint are strictly Link's dreams - it's a dream of a deity, Majora and Wind Fish respectively. Link doesn't "imagine" the adventures of MM or LA in a sense that he doesn't make up a story in his head and play-pretends - if Zelda was a sci-fi story, these imaginary realms would be a simulation, a Matrix if you will. Sure, there's a whole philosophical debate on whether or not a simulated life of this kind can be concidered real/valid/worthy of saving, but as far as the Zelda series is concerned, the dream worlds are real enough. Second off... Putting the validity of the events aside, do you really think that the only point of journey to Termina was to stop the moon? You're right in that the main problem with the "it was all a dream" stories is how it renders anything that happened meaningless and futile, but Majora's Mask evades this exact problem by giving Link a closure. Not to argue for the infamous "Termina represents the stages of grief" theory, but it's really an emotional journey in it's core. Link starts the adventure as a person who in a blink of an eye lost everything - any kind of home, all his friends, even his grip on what is and isn't real; he ends the journey knowing that there's always a possibility to make new meaningful connections with people and having a mental capacity to deal with the absurdity of the world (though he doesn't gain a place to call home, as indicated by him leaving Termina afterall). You literally said that that the outcome for an adventure like that would be gaining knowledge, why'd you dismiss a perfectly valid argument just because the events that lead to it didn’t happen at the same physical plane as Hyrule? You want a pointless dream adventure set in a Zelda universe - look at Phantom Hourglass: nothing gained, nothing lost, no influence on the world, and no emotional growth for anyone involved either. In my opinion, it's the literal reading that claims Termina to be a real place that cheapen the experience. It makes Link look like a mercenary with no life outside of heroic business - and for a character that traditionally symbolises the innocence and open-mindedness of youth that paves the way to changes in the world, being a mercenary paints quite a bleak picture. By design, Link (any Link) is a legend, a national hero: he appears as if from nowhere, does the world-saving miracle and vanishes from the public eye once the crisis is resolved; the second quest of any kind breaks this formula. Take the Oracle games, for example: there, Link from ALttP, already an established hero, is summoned by the Triforce to rescue Holodrum and Labrynna, which are known to be material places. What sense does it make for the Triforce to send Link, a citizen of Hyrule, to solve the problems of other sovereign countries? And what do these adventures say about Link as a character? It's not a story of the land that produced the hero, and it's not the former hero's personal journey anymore, it's a job; and by making Termina a real place you're making it a job, too. This is also why I have an issue with the Hero's Shade, but that's beside the point. ...There's also the thing about Termina being too different from Hyrule to tie it to the rest of the series in a believable, meaningful way. Sure, it's always fun to try, but for me it just doesn't make the cut. (Hope this didn’t come out too agressive or anything, I'm just a bit passionate about the series and analysing it!)
You def put alot of thought into this but there is alot of in game evidence between a few games that disproves alot of what your saying and skull kid is the same from ocarina he straight up says link smells like the kid that thought him the song in the lost woods at the end of majoras mask also i very much doubt majora an ww were worked on at the same time because it only took them a year to make majora due to a bet made to avoid puttin out ura zelda
I know they're in different timelines but the theory would still work with the timeline. The timeline is only the order of events in the series from Link's perspective and it splits off because of time travel shenanigans. I know the windwaker is in a different timeline but majoras mask would still be in the child timeline if my theory is right. Majoras mask is a continuation of the ending of Ocarina of time where Link goes back in time. It's a continuation of child timeline events. My theory is saying that the portal takes Link to the windwaker Hyrule. So it's the same world but since majoras mask is the continuation of child timeline events, its in the child timeline. Link only travels to a different world which happens to be the ancient windwaker world.
I want to point out that Wind Waker officially takes place around 100 years after the events of OoT and is more or less concurrent with Twilight Princess. Still, your theory is well thought out, but merely lacks sufficient research. Cheers.
@@meerkatolive Didn't catch that. But still, something falling into legend after 100 years in a medieval setting that has almost no remaining historical records doesn't seem strange to me.
@@TrueKoalaKnight The medieval times were not that primitive. There are thousands of records from those times. Not only that 100 years is a really small time frame. Link has a grandma in Windwaker who looks to be at least 70. Her parents would've been born during the time of the flood so the story would've been passed by word of mouth and wouldn't be presented as an unknown ancient legend.
@@meerkatolive Yes, but we're talking about a post apocalyptic situation on top of a medieval setting. And word of mouth is a terrible way to preserve facts. The oral tradition is precisely why the historical accounts can easily become legend easily and in a short amount of time.
@TrueKoalaKnight It's not like the word of mouth would have come from generations ago. Link's grandma if windwaker was set 100 years afterwards would've been the child of a flood survivor. The time period isn't big enough for Hyrule to be completely forgotten. Also windwaker is too advanced to be considered medieval. There are coloured photographs and revolvers. A civilisation wouldn't be able to become that advanced a mere 100 years after an apocalypse. Not only that but there were survivors which means there would be things such as diary entries and historical records immediately following the disaster. By windwaker everything has been forgotten. No one even knows what happened to the kingdom. They don't seem to even know the world was flooded. Even in a primitive society, which even those from the medieval times were not, in 100 years such an event would not be forgotten at all. But anyway, it doesn't really matter when it's set. I just personally don't see it being 100 years afterwards. Thank you for playing devil's advocate, I like these sorts of conversations. It's good to get a different perspective on things
I really don't think that this Theory adds up much at all. One of the points you bring up is the technology how the adult timeline appears to be much more technological then any other timeline but this simply isn't true. The Picto Box also exists in the Twilight Princess era as we see actual photographs in that world. Twilight Princess also gives us many mechanized contraptions that are operated with the spinner. The level of technology in The Legend of Zelda series always seems to refer back to a medieval type of Technology level possibly due to the curse of demise so the technology level really doesn't seem to add much of anything as more often than not high levels of Technology are seen as lost technology not unlike the technology scene in Horizon zero Dawn or Xenoblade Chronicles. I do agree with your point however that wind waker should take place thousands of years after Ocarina considering that the events of Ocarina are seen as ancient legend and myth and the modern hylians and people don't seem to have any memory or records of Hyrule or even the Triforce with the fish guide people even mispronouncing them as Triumph Forks.
Lorule is the place where the triforce was destroyed. It was never stated that it was in Termina. It is never mentioned in game and only appears on some ruins around Ikana
Just looks like BarnYard for the PS2 to me
It all links back to barnyard
@@meerkatolive Everything is actually just a copy of BarnYard for the PS2
The beautiful irony, a Hero of Time was always destined to end up Lost in the rivers of time.
I like the idea that Termina is a future Hyrule, tough I'm not sure of your placement of it in the timeline. It might make more sense to put it after Spirit Tracks, that way the change of religion and government makes more sense. The Terminians might be the people of New Hyrule re-discovering old Hyule and founding the kingdom of Ikana in opposition to the the new Hyrule kingdom. Hell, the ninjas sent against the Ikana kingdom could be a detachment of Sheika's and the four giant might me what's left of the guardian spirits in old Hyrule. Termina could also be it's own branch in the timeline opening new possibilities.
Overall, this is an incredibly unique theory. It's interesting how some of the iconic locations in Termina lineup with the wind waker.
I agree captain bread
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In spite of some holes, this theory actually makes sense. In the Wind Waker Hyrule, I'd also like to mention how you could see snowy mountains and Ganon's Tower could be a repurposed Stone Tower. The one thing I'd like to know is where they would find another Princess Zelda.
I completely disagree with everything you said but I found it very entertaining and surprisingly well thought out!
I thought it was a funny theory and obviously not cannon until he mentioned the Skull Kid smelling and remembering Link from all those years ago. I think Nintendo did their job well with the time-line, almost too well.
The fierce diety theory would line up with why his sword is infinity shaped aswell, He controls time
it all seems like a big stretch (but its just a theory afterall). but you have very interesting ideas about fierce deity. i had just written it off as a reward for collecting all the masks. but you convinced me to believe that the mask is essentially how the people viewed "a" hero of time (not necessarily Link from OoT but maybe another version of him or potentially another great warrior altogether). it could be their legends and myths made manifest. its the first time i watched your video. you have a good narration voice and a clear and concise way of making your points. good job!
Termina is a lot more technologically advanced… but I think it’s a different dimension. Unless he traveled into the future…
Fun theory. I'm in the camp that the events of Termina are all just a dream from Link while he was sleeping in the Temple of Time. This would explain why things from Ocarina child-Link appears here. Take this for example, the guards in Clocktown are Hyrule guards, they have the royal family insignias on their armor. Perhaps sleeping in the Temple of Time gave Link visions of the future.
I like that never heard that one before majoras mask was originally sapposed to be 7 days too 1 day for each year asleep 🤔
I always agreed with the grief theory but never felt the him being dead part fit but he coulda been dreaming on his self doubt of defeating ganondorf an went through the stages of grief too get to accept the fact that he needed to wake up an fight and everything was so bleak because he didnt think he could save them all at first
the guards in clock town don't have the royal insignia on their armor. And no, MM took place directly after Link was sent back in time by Zelda. No, it's not a dream, it canonically happened; whether the land ceased to exist afterwards or not.
Child Link would also be explained by the fact that after defeating Ganon in the Adult timeline, Zelda sent Link back in time so he could have the childhood that was taken from him. Plus, MM is confirmed to take place after OoT.
Just reading the title got my brain to open up and accept that there are WAY more theories out there i still haven't heard of. Nice
An interesting theory. While I question some elements (mainly that I remember MM being confirmed a direct sequel to OoT) you clearly put a lot of thought into this.
I think he means when link is in the lost woods and travels to termina he’s travelled into another time, many hundreds of years later
Majority mask is a direct sequel to ocarina of time in alternate timeline way Wind waker is the same timeline story direct sequel in the same future
The child timeline is the alternate Split by definition of the story progression plot
I feel like this theory relies on a whole lot of speculation, and has too many holes. It was an interesting theory though, and well made video.
If Termina was Hyrule from a different time, I'd actually put it pre-SS. The west is the ocean, and MM Great Bay Temple has very similar music to SS Pirate Hideout (also located in the northeast ocean, if I remember correctly.) Also, the weird statue in Stone Tower Temple is in the Fire Temple of SS, implying communication between the two people who built the structures.
We know that pre-SS, the people had better technology, just like in Termina. The land also would not have been named Hyrule yet.
People looking similar would be the reverse of your theory. Instead of being descendants, they would be ancestors.
I think it would have to be quite a long time before Demise's attack, since technology in MM isn't quite to SS Lanayru standards yet.
This theory is not without holes either. Zora's are implied to have began in SS, so them existing before might be a little weird. Hylia is also never mentioned, despite seeming to be a big part of pre-SS Hyrule (unless she's the goddess of time...)
This was a great video! I always thought that it was a parallel universe but it’s nice to see a different perspective. Keep it up!
It's my belief that Terminal was formed from the unconfirmed timeline split in Skyward Sword.
Yeah, the maps line up.
Can you elaborate, please?
@@goopi_eh Gladly!
In Skyward Sword, there is an unconfirmed timeline split. In one timeline, Demise was defeated in the future by Link's use of the Triforce and the Statue of the Goddess crushing the Imprisoned. In the other timeline, Demise is destroyed thousands of years early, allowed human to resettle the surface much earlier than in the main timeline. This is the timeline I will be focusing on; the one where Denise was defeated and humans resettled the surface early.
Having immediately repopulated the surface after the events of the game, they would have begun taking measures to prevent the desertification of Lanayru using it's advanced technology at their disposal. In the game's opening cinematic, we hear that the demon hordes "choked the land's sweet springs." It's possible that monsters had somehow diverted the flow of water from the region, resulting in the desertification we see in Skyward Sword. Evidence of there being a blocked waterway can be seen in Breath of the wild. Looking at the Greudo canyon on the map, we can see that a nearby river is abruptly cut off, with the landscape implying that it once fed water into the region.
Using Lanayru's advanced tech alongside manpower, the blockage could be reversed, and the region would remain saturated with water for centuries to come.
As time passed, the technology began to degrade, however. Without the help of the people who created it, it could not be maintained. This would ultimately result in a rapid technological regression in the region, causing it to become more medieval than high-tech. The already existing circular stone structures in Lanayru could still be of use after the regression; as walls surrounding a town. The circular stone structures would be repurposed and gradually modified to become the walls of Clock Town.
With me establishing that Clock Town sits at the center of the stone rings in Lanayru, everything else falls into place. The Greudo Canyon to the east will become Ikana Canyon, the Sand Sea to the west will become the Great Bay, and the Greudo Highlands to the north (as seen in BotW) will become Snowhead. The river running through the canyon would feed into an area south of Clock Town and transform it into a swamp.
Voila! Termina!
Honestly I can't even argue with a lot of this. Honestly convincing as hell. As far as I can tell none of this conflicts with the official timeline considering it would be the child timeline link who traveled into this alternative future.
But what about the happy mask salesman? How does he fit in the alternate future Hyrule/Termina theory?
I'm not actually too sure. I didn't really consider him when making the video but it's a good point. I think he may have something to do with the Goddess Of Time maybe because when the moon falls the next thing you hear is him laughing and saying you've met with a terrible fate haven't you. Not only that but the clock tower he's located in is a place where time doesn't move so maybe he's a messenger of the Goddess of Time herself. Not to sure though he might just be some weird guy that followed Link into Termina accidentally. Thank you for bringing him up though I'll definitely be theorising over his involvement in the theory for a while.
@@meerkatolive You’re welcome.
So this theory would work with the idea why the upside down Triforce is found throughout Termina if it’s not Lorule. Terminian’s were disappointed in the goddesses so they turned to the goddess of time
I always consider termina a dimension made by the majoras mask itself. Maybe a personalized one which explains the characters?
I honestly think termina is actually an alternate reality or Links afterlife because when you break then Windwaker they are wondering why Link didn't return to protect them from Ganon. That fall that link takes at the begining of Majora's mask is very far and the fact that it is hard ground below when he wakes up leads me to think Termina was an afterlife for the child link. The reasoning for Termina could be alternate world is the portal there could be one way and Links unable to return which gives the cause for the Flood that happens in Windwaker.
2:07 hey man that’s definitely the drawing on links tree house in OOT ! The thing in the sky and everything.. poses even match
Never noticed that but I think you're right
Fun theories and I really liked your thoughts on the Fierce Deity
Yes!! Keep up the theories man love it
I disagree. I personally believe Termina is an alternate dimension. You have some cool ideas! Especially regarding the Feirce Diety Mask. I like the idea that in the memories & folklore of the people of Termina a hero (alternate dimension adult Link) defeated some evil (or even good) force, then disappeared. I love that line of dialogue about bag guys/good guys. It's huge credit to the game that so many theories can be made.
Personal theory *SPOILERS*: i believe the friend Link is looking for isn't Navi. It's Skull Kid. They formed a friendship in OoT after the mask swap. The drawing at the end depicts Link & Skull Kid playing as friends. It's sad that Skull Kid doesn't remember Link (an effect of having Majora's Mask on. Maybe I'll make a video of this some day!
2 things about that:
1) When referencing the friend he is searching for at the start, it makes a fairy noise.
2) Skull Kid did remember him, in the end cutscene after sniffing him up close.
@@_Teej_264 thanks TJ! I didn't know that about the fairy noise. Very cool. I had forgotten Skull Kid remembered him, it's been a few years since i last completed. Let me be clear: i do believe it's likely based on evidence that it is intended that Navi is the friend; but my own personal belief when i first completed the game, was that it was Skull Kid. And i still love this interpretation. Prove it wrong all you like, I'll still love the idea of it.
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The sound is at 3:16, if you wanted to hear it. Personally growing up I had thought it was for Saria until more sources pointed to Navi.
But yeah no worries about right or wrong. I just love this game and love when others do too. If your interpretation makes you happy, then it is a good one!
@@_Teej_264 listened! Brilliant, thank you. Ah yeah, Saria is a good shout. Part of what I love about Zelda is how ambiguous it can be. Allowing for all sorts of beliefs and theories.
I had the idea that Termina is also the Seas of the Ocean King in Phantom Hourglass, like if Hyrule was flooded then Termina ended up flooded as well. Like the Isle of Frost looks a bit like Snowhead to me and Gorons are native to the region. Idk just a headcanon of mine
finally someone voices the same theory I've had as headcanon all this time
A real unique and fun theory, my new favourite!
Great theory, but I was expecting more references to the official timeline. Good video regardless!
another point, the Deku Scrubs could be the transition between kokiri and the Koroks. the deku scrubs share the Deku part of their name with The Great Deku Tree and Deku Baba. Deku Babas appear to be already within the Kokiri forest and in the Lost woods before Ganandorf came, and the Deku Scrubs appear inside The Great Deku Tree, guarding Queen Ghoma. The term Deku therefore leads me to believe it is a term referring to forest spirits or creatures relating to the forest. The Great Deku tree may have turned the Kokiri to the Deku scrubs seen in Majora's Mask allowing them to be closer to The Deku Tree, the forest and further from Hylians, who have caused many atrocities. This can also explain the transformation to the Koroks, since Koroks can fly and so can Deku scrubs, Koroks appear to be made of wood as do Deku Scrubs. The only issue is the lack of The great Deku Tree, however, there are other guardian spirits missing from other areas as well, such as Lord Jabu Jabu, who may have evolved into something else in-between Jabun, therefore, it may be reasonable to suggest that the Great Deku Tree isn't absent entirely, we just don't see him. In the Wind Waker, The Great Deku Tree has his roots all over the seas, this may be an attempt to stay informed about the world so that the Koroks weren't aggressive to the new hero as was the case in Majora's Mask. The only issue I see with this entire Theory as a whole, is Link having memories of princess Zelda and having obtained the Ocarina of Time, yet that portal to Termina did lead to clock Town, where the God of Time is worshipped, and Ocarina of Time Link, is the Hero of Time- yet honestly I don't see why the Goddess would let Skull Kid and Majora back in time, only to let them back with Link unless the Skull Kid leading Link in the portal was the only way to get him to Termina.
Just to add, we know that The Great Deku Tree can turn some creatures into others, such is the case of turning people who get lost in The Lost Woods to Stalfos or Skull Kids, so it isn't impossible for this to happen.
Very unique theory and there are some good points in there.
Before I began the video, I immediately thought of the legend of the fairy tale from Tingle in WW which would invalidate this theory
I haven't heard of the legend of the fairy tale before. Can you explain what it is and how it would invalidate the theory? It sounds interesting
Termina is just Hyrule in LoRule. My theory on this creepy but amazing game.
Thanks for explaining an intriguing theory!
It's the only way Tingle makes sense in 2 separate timelines.
I think if I watch this with captions I would comprehend more.
I found a funni red button next to your name and pressed it and i suggest others do the same
I really did enjoy this theory, and it does have many merits to it.
Windwaker is at most 200 years after OoT. We know that because Nintendo has stated that Windwaker was about the same time at Twilight Princess in a different timeline. So no way it’s wasn’t that long in between Links. Also Windwaker is in the timeline that Link stays as an adult, so it’s more likely that his story got told (crazy to think that the public would believe it lmao) or there is another event that occurred with adult OoT Link that’s not Majora’s Mask because it didn’t happen in the same timeline. It’s an interesting theory but a lot of it goes off of Majora’s Mask happening in the same timeline as Wind Waker which officially isn’t true.
Another point: where’s the Great Deku tree? In Windwaker we get the same Great Deku tree (as a sapling) as the one in OoT due to he recognizes and mistakes Link as the Hero of Time.
If you look at the map of OoT and Windwaker it’s very similar too. Although I do think maps aren’t the best way to connect Zelda games due to Nintendo changing maps due to gameplay and not lore.
Again, interesting theory if the official timeline wasn’t released it might be a bit easier to connect the two.
I understand what you're getting at here. I know that Nintendo have said that Windwaker has taken place around the same time as twilight princess however in my opinion that just feels a bit off. The legend at the beginning of Windwaker is presented as ancient legend. 200 years isn't a lot of time. Hyrule wouldn't have been forgotten in that time. Furthermore, my theory is saying that the portal is a portal between timelines. It would still work with the official timeline. With Adult link, Adult Link only existed until the end of oot. He's sent back in time, meaning there's actually no Link in the adult timeline. Allowing him to return in the future from the child timeline. Anyway this is just my wacky weird theory and my opinion. I'm glad you found it interesting anyway 👍
@@meerkatolive oh I can understand that, I definitely don’t agree where Four Swords Adventure was placed. However, in Hyrule Encyclopedia there is a page dedicated to what comparing Windwaker and OoT. It compares the two maps and says Gerudo fortress became the forsaken fortress, people from Kakariko and Castle Town are now Windfall, and also Outset is Ordon from Twilight Princess and apparently Zora’s domain is Dragon Roost which that’s the one that doesn’t make sense to me when Death Mountain is the highest point of Hyrule, also don’t know why fish turned into birds after a flood but 🤷🏻♀️ Anyway you can find the whole page on google it’s interesting. Of course there is that argument that these books are canon or not. It does get approved by Nintendo so again 🤷🏻♀️
Yeah it can definitely get confusing with what's canon. Some things in the books make sense, some don't. I think it mostly comes down to interpretation. I think there's a line in the encyclopedia that says that. I hope that they release an updated one eventually that makes more sense
@@Lilwhitelily Re: how the "fish" turned into "birds": It wouldn't be too much of a leap, since Valoo is the one who grants them their wings when they come of age, that Valoo was the one who altered them such that they could live out of the water with special Din-Granted Spirit Magic, using Din's affinity for Earth and Fire to 're-tune' the Zora from their Water Affinity into Rito. As to why they had to get out of the water:
1: They're freshwater amphibians at best; saltwater isn't any better for them then it is for us.
2: There's monsters and shit in there.
@@Lilwhitelily yup not only that it’s a big give twilight princess has to have happened waaaaay before wind waker parallel
Because ganondorf he looks waaay older in wind waker and twilight princess he looks much younger closer to his OOT younger counterpart
Not to mention there is that thing the king says HUNDREDS OF YEARS have PASSED SINCE THEN OF THE FLOOD
No way do they take place at the same time I can seeing people say that and iam like nah there is evidence in game to say other wise
No. The ancient hyrule from wind water is the same hyrule from ocarina of time. That land was flooded in the timeline because of the absence of a hero. Wind waker and majora’s mask are my favourite Zelda games so this would be really cool but I would to say no, despite the evidence.
I know it's the same Hyrule from Ocarina. My theory is saying that the portal takes you through a to the different timeline at some point in the future from Ocarina and before windwaker. But I understand why you might disagree. This theory is very wacky.
Ah yes that would be interesting
This may actually be true because you can see A lava tower (look up Devils tower) in the position that death mountain was in…
The algorithm blessing me with perfect videos again
This is veryyy interesting thx for the vid I rlly liked it
Also part of reason MM took a year to make. They took what they developed so far for expansion pack for OoT and reworked it into MM due to poor disk drive sales.
I think Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask are both occurring during the same time frame(Minus Link an adult in OOT) in different Worlds above and below. I prefer to consider it a direct sequel to OOT because I always liked pretending to "leave" Hyrule and go onwards to the next voyage in the "neighbouring Country" and that's when I pull out the cart and pop in Majora's Mask lol.
Majoras mask is a direct sequel but in a alternate timeline where OOT was prevented
The child timeline is the split by time travel definition
Wind WAKER events happen on the original events and universe of past and future hence the intro story of Ganondorf stealing the golden power the hero of time traveling through time sealing Ganondorf away as said in WW intro
The glass windows of the events of ocarina of time ring a bell Ganondorf it’s been awhile boy and ganondorf talk of his original shown down in OOT
It’s another big thing that absolutely DEBUNKEs this video it’s a great theory and all though I must say
But it’s no doubt Wind waker is the original future events that stem from skyward sword to link pulling the sword and falling asleep 😴 and then waking up and beating ganon
yeah but they're in two completely different timelines sooooooo
Anyway that was a fun theory to watch, nice job
I'm glad you enjoyed the theory 👍. I know they're in two completely separate timelines but the theory is that the portal is a portal that takes you between the two timelines
I really enjoy the theory even though it's so unlikely
I don't really buy it. Death Mountain turning from an incredibly active volcano to a snowed over mountain is a kind of geological change that would take millions, if not billions of years, especially since BOTW, which takes 10s of thousands of years after Ocarina, still has Death Mountain as active.
Very entertaining theory, though. Liked.
I don't think that it's very likely the denizens of Termina are descendents of characters from oot cause it's implied that it's the same link in both games, the sequel kicking off with links search for Navi. Furthermore, there's no Hyrule castle, no temple of time, no other landmark to suggest that you're in the same area. These are the biggest reasons people tend to think majora is a dream or alt reality. Personally I kinda like to think it was an alt reality, and not even the last one that the hero of time would see, as the next game in that branch of the official timeline (toilet princess) has the spector-gold-wolf-link with very drastically different armour and weapons from anything else you see in or around Hyrule castle. He's a stalfos pretty much. Almost like he got lost in the lost woods, ended up landing himself in several alt realities before he died in the woods, only to be resurrected as a stalfos until the twilight brought his spirit back and he was able to climb out of the lost woods and train the hero of toilets. This would also be why the first time you see him is the entrance to the lost woods. I like to think anyway. That's my head-canon.
I know he's the same Link. I didn't say he wasn't. The theory is saying that Link traveled through a portal that led to a future adult timeline hyrule. For the landmarks, Hyrule changes across a lot of games. For example places like the temple of time aren't found in a link to the past. The castle in OOT was destroyed so it makes sense that wouldn't be there.
But anyway that's my weird headcanon. I know it's not too likely but that's just what I like to believe. It's different than most interpretations I've seen.
The ancient hyrule from wind waker is Ocarina of Time's. Its the adult timeline talked about in WWs beginining. Nintendo confirmed it in the historia
And in Wind Waker itself, when you find the OOT Hyrule under the ocean lol.
Doesn't Wind Waker take place only 100 years after Ocarina of Time though?
I brought this up in the video near the beginning
Only kinda-sorta, and only really as a lampshade.
How do you explain hyrule castle or gannons tower
Or the deku tree
Cool Video.
I mean if we go that with termina is a country separated from hyrule it would have been flooded aswell making a mix of all the landmarks of both thanks to the movement of land with time making both of them the same
The timeline would say otherwise; MM is set in the Child Timeline, while WW is set in the Adult Timeline.
The theory would still fit within the timeline. It's saying that the portal underneath the lost woods leads to the windwaker timeline. It's still a continuation of the child timeline as it follows the events of Link travelling back in time from the end of Oot.
When I readthe title I was... well, sceptical would be an understatement. I am quite positively surprised. Quite a fun and intriguing theory.
only one thing is major takes place after the events of twilight princess
but since botw this would makes sense
I liked it and while I think Nintendo does not intend that to be canon... I think it is mine now, lol
my theory is termina is a early version of Lorule
I respectfully 100% disagree. Termina is confirmed by Nintendo to be a different dimension. MM is confirmed by Nintendo to be in the child timeline as a direct sequel to oot. WW (which is one of my least favorite) is confirmed to be a direct sequel to oot in the adult timeline.
WW map matches up more with OoT map.
I know Majoras Mask is confirmed to be on the child timeline. The theory has nothing to do with that. The timeline shows a chronological set of events that players have to play the games through. Majoras mask comes off the timeline split from Ocarina of time in the child timeline. It starts with Link within that timeline. My theory is saying that the dimension Link travels to is the alternate Hyrule of windwaker which in the child timeline would be a different dimension as it follows different events and has a completely new history. Since Majoras comes off Child timeline events with Link becoming a child and searching for Navi, it would still be in the child timeline as it follows those events. I hope this clears some things up
I really like the idea but sadly it doesn't make any sense since we know that the hero in Majora mask IS the hero of time. I still love the idea idea an the theory of it
Im glad you enjoyed the video. 👍
I know he's the hero of time. There is a section in the video where I go through how him being the hero of time can boost the theory
oeeee this is an interesting theory i like it and why not a similar ting happened in age of calamity i love time shenanigans
lets say link didnt go to termina because wind waker is the adult time line or failed aand the moon crashed into earth causing a tidal flood
majoras mask and wind waker are in different time lines
I never played majoras mask, I could never afford it.
Hopefully one day you'll be able to play it. It's a brilliant game and one of my favourite Zelda experiences
@@meerkatolive I can now. When that game came out I was 15 turning 16 and price was... £59.99 I think. Wayy too expensive. If they rereleased these on switch I'd buy them but they havnt. They did say it was a possibility but never did it sadly
Your Theory is a lot more Interesting than Termina just being Another Dreamworld... 😒
Termina just Relegated to being a Dreamworld is Just Stupid and it Invalidates Everything that was Set up for both the Hero of Twilight and Twilight Princess as a Whole. Because a Dreamworld has no Real Bearings in the Real World. Plus Dreamworlds just Suck in General for the Legend of Zelda, as the Entire Quest was just so Pointless in the End. What is it that Link Gains from the Dreamworlds? Absolutely Fucking Nothing. No Weapons or Items, not even Knowledge. The Feelings Link gets are not Real either. So Dreamworlds in Zelda are Pointless and Offer Nothing. Because Link is just Dreaming. Anyone can Dream of a Grand Adventure, especially if they have Lucid Dreams, that they can Influence.
A dreamworld is really the only logical explanation for Termina. Although I agree it's a boring theory, it's far easier to except than just about every other one I've heard.
Oh boy. Usually I understand the frustration with the "it was all a dream" approach, but in this particular case I can't help but disagree.
First of all, neither Termina nor Koholint are strictly Link's dreams - it's a dream of a deity, Majora and Wind Fish respectively. Link doesn't "imagine" the adventures of MM or LA in a sense that he doesn't make up a story in his head and play-pretends - if Zelda was a sci-fi story, these imaginary realms would be a simulation, a Matrix if you will. Sure, there's a whole philosophical debate on whether or not a simulated life of this kind can be concidered real/valid/worthy of saving, but as far as the Zelda series is concerned, the dream worlds are real enough.
Second off... Putting the validity of the events aside, do you really think that the only point of journey to Termina was to stop the moon? You're right in that the main problem with the "it was all a dream" stories is how it renders anything that happened meaningless and futile, but Majora's Mask evades this exact problem by giving Link a closure. Not to argue for the infamous "Termina represents the stages of grief" theory, but it's really an emotional journey in it's core. Link starts the adventure as a person who in a blink of an eye lost everything - any kind of home, all his friends, even his grip on what is and isn't real; he ends the journey knowing that there's always a possibility to make new meaningful connections with people and having a mental capacity to deal with the absurdity of the world (though he doesn't gain a place to call home, as indicated by him leaving Termina afterall). You literally said that that the outcome for an adventure like that would be gaining knowledge, why'd you dismiss a perfectly valid argument just because the events that lead to it didn’t happen at the same physical plane as Hyrule? You want a pointless dream adventure set in a Zelda universe - look at Phantom Hourglass: nothing gained, nothing lost, no influence on the world, and no emotional growth for anyone involved either.
In my opinion, it's the literal reading that claims Termina to be a real place that cheapen the experience. It makes Link look like a mercenary with no life outside of heroic business - and for a character that traditionally symbolises the innocence and open-mindedness of youth that paves the way to changes in the world, being a mercenary paints quite a bleak picture. By design, Link (any Link) is a legend, a national hero: he appears as if from nowhere, does the world-saving miracle and vanishes from the public eye once the crisis is resolved; the second quest of any kind breaks this formula. Take the Oracle games, for example: there, Link from ALttP, already an established hero, is summoned by the Triforce to rescue Holodrum and Labrynna, which are known to be material places. What sense does it make for the Triforce to send Link, a citizen of Hyrule, to solve the problems of other sovereign countries? And what do these adventures say about Link as a character? It's not a story of the land that produced the hero, and it's not the former hero's personal journey anymore, it's a job; and by making Termina a real place you're making it a job, too. This is also why I have an issue with the Hero's Shade, but that's beside the point.
...There's also the thing about Termina being too different from Hyrule to tie it to the rest of the series in a believable, meaningful way. Sure, it's always fun to try, but for me it just doesn't make the cut.
(Hope this didn’t come out too agressive or anything, I'm just a bit passionate about the series and analysing it!)
The Pico box is only colored in the remake of MM which is the inferior version. So not connon lol
You def put alot of thought into this but there is alot of in game evidence between a few games that disproves alot of what your saying and skull kid is the same from ocarina he straight up says link smells like the kid that thought him the song in the lost woods at the end of majoras mask also i very much doubt majora an ww were worked on at the same time because it only took them a year to make majora due to a bet made to avoid puttin out ura zelda
This is a cool theory! Never head of it before.
This is so incredibly awesome.
This would not work because they are in different timelines
Yeah dude I completely disagree with you, but cool video
It is Hyrule become death.
its not possible bc its in a completely separate timeline
I know they're in different timelines but the theory would still work with the timeline. The timeline is only the order of events in the series from Link's perspective and it splits off because of time travel shenanigans. I know the windwaker is in a different timeline but majoras mask would still be in the child timeline if my theory is right. Majoras mask is a continuation of the ending of Ocarina of time where Link goes back in time. It's a continuation of child timeline events. My theory is saying that the portal takes Link to the windwaker Hyrule. So it's the same world but since majoras mask is the continuation of child timeline events, its in the child timeline. Link only travels to a different world which happens to be the ancient windwaker world.
Bad lore. Outstanding theory. Nicely done sir
Skull kid is ocarina of time skull kid its really obvious.
I'll save you all some time
No. It isn't.
One is called hyrule and the other is called termina
This is a great theory
Interesting theory
I want to point out that Wind Waker officially takes place around 100 years after the events of OoT and is more or less concurrent with Twilight Princess. Still, your theory is well thought out, but merely lacks sufficient research. Cheers.
I know it's supposed to take place 100 years after ocarina but I bring up why this doesn't make sense at the start of the video.
@@meerkatolive Didn't catch that. But still, something falling into legend after 100 years in a medieval setting that has almost no remaining historical records doesn't seem strange to me.
@@TrueKoalaKnight The medieval times were not that primitive. There are thousands of records from those times. Not only that 100 years is a really small time frame. Link has a grandma in Windwaker who looks to be at least 70. Her parents would've been born during the time of the flood so the story would've been passed by word of mouth and wouldn't be presented as an unknown ancient legend.
@@meerkatolive Yes, but we're talking about a post apocalyptic situation on top of a medieval setting. And word of mouth is a terrible way to preserve facts. The oral tradition is precisely why the historical accounts can easily become legend easily and in a short amount of time.
@TrueKoalaKnight It's not like the word of mouth would have come from generations ago. Link's grandma if windwaker was set 100 years afterwards would've been the child of a flood survivor. The time period isn't big enough for Hyrule to be completely forgotten. Also windwaker is too advanced to be considered medieval. There are coloured photographs and revolvers. A civilisation wouldn't be able to become that advanced a mere 100 years after an apocalypse. Not only that but there were survivors which means there would be things such as diary entries and historical records immediately following the disaster. By windwaker everything has been forgotten. No one even knows what happened to the kingdom. They don't seem to even know the world was flooded. Even in a primitive society, which even those from the medieval times were not, in 100 years such an event would not be forgotten at all.
But anyway, it doesn't really matter when it's set. I just personally don't see it being 100 years afterwards. Thank you for playing devil's advocate, I like these sorts of conversations. It's good to get a different perspective on things
And another good one
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Interesting theories
I really don't think that this Theory adds up much at all. One of the points you bring up is the technology how the adult timeline appears to be much more technological then any other timeline but this simply isn't true. The Picto Box also exists in the Twilight Princess era as we see actual photographs in that world. Twilight Princess also gives us many mechanized contraptions that are operated with the spinner. The level of technology in The Legend of Zelda series always seems to refer back to a medieval type of Technology level possibly due to the curse of demise so the technology level really doesn't seem to add much of anything as more often than not high levels of Technology are seen as lost technology not unlike the technology scene in Horizon zero Dawn or Xenoblade Chronicles.
I do agree with your point however that wind waker should take place thousands of years after Ocarina considering that the events of Ocarina are seen as ancient legend and myth and the modern hylians and people don't seem to have any memory or records of Hyrule or even the Triforce with the fish guide people even mispronouncing them as Triumph Forks.
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No. In Termina their equalivant to the triforce was destroyed
Lorule is the place where the triforce was destroyed. It was never stated that it was in Termina. It is never mentioned in game and only appears on some ruins around Ikana
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