Why Porsche doesn't race in F1
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- Опубликовано: 16 дек 2022
- At first thought, Porsche racing in F1 makes a lot of sense. And yet, it's never happened. So, why doesn't Porsche race in Formula One?
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"They don't sell cars, they sell engineering."
That's such a cool thing to say about _any_ company. I hope I can work for a firm like that someday.
Or you create a company like that someday ;)
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"Reliability, longevity and then exceed expectations"
Yes Porche doesent need to join F1, because Porche cars dont really go that fast, because they really aint supercars, when their between supercar and regular car, but Lamborghini could join F1, because their cars are supercars, so Lamborghini knows how to make fast cars and so it would be funny to see Lamborghini compete against Ferrari as top team in F1. Proving to Ferrari, that they make better cars.
But that saying is true about porsche. I've done an internship there and.... the simple mechanics already are on a level where other companies use engineers. And the engineers are at places I couldn't even access. Porsche is an engineering company first, car manufacturer second. Just like tesla is a tech company first and car manufacturer second.
@Jou t7 I don't where your mind is going, but the gt3/gt2 rs, the gt4 rs and the normal 911 gt3 are all bona-fide supercars. Yes they don't have the look of an aventador or a 488 pista, but that is intentional. The designs are supposed to be timeless, where you can look back in 60 years and say "what a beauty". You can't say that about today's ferraris, they look more mundane and like a generic sportscar.
I really hope the 911 will forever exist. I couldn’t see an automotive world without it.
Josh, Porsche in FIAWEC is 50x more successful than in F1.
@@damarfadlan9251 I’m talking about the car itself
I hope so too, its always been the benchmark for great cars in every aspect. It will be sad to see an electric 911 one day but im not so sure we are going electric anyway.
@@bigmike4923 imo Porsche should absolutely make an Electric 911 just as they decided they will.
Why? Because for one, this gives people the option to both own a 911 and an electric car, while also giving people who want to own a 911 a fuck ton of other choices. In a perfect world, both combustion and Electric would coexist of course.
@@historyman9436 Thats not the spirit of the 911 there is a taycan for a reason, electric cars are not meant for handling. Sure they have a low center of gravity but they also weigh like 5000lbs. Im sure they will do it for sales but the 911 is meant to be nimble and fun to drive electric cars are not
Years ago, I happened to meet a Porsche factory rep at a race at Hochenheim in Germany. One of the things he told me was that Porsche would very much like to stop production on 911s, but they can't. When I asked him why, he just laughed and said " Because the public won't let us "
Well said.
Why would they want to stop production?
Making too much money?
Why would they want to stop producing THE CAR?
@@Gaphalor To try sth new.
@@arrowkneeguy It's far from the only thing they do though. I guess the desire comes from trying new formulas with their fans without THE ONE overshadowing any potential success the 911 consistently eats away from others. To be frank it's a luxury problem that many companies would like to have, although I kinda get the frustration. If you want to make something new and revolutionize and most of your fanbase asks for evolution you're kinda glued to the seat you got seated in.
On the other hand I think you can safely say to work on such a long legacy series of cars with that much success to show is quite an honor as well. I wonder which parts of Porsche's workforce feel about 911's steady demand with some level of remorse and which ones don't feel that remorse. I doubt everyone has the same opinion.
@@arrowkneeguy they can try something new and still build 911s
I wish they would make a front engined sports car similar to the SLS
Porsche actually did used to be in F1, they used to build engines for McLaren in the early 1980’s. Those were the 1.5 litre turbo’d V6’s known as the TAG engines. They won 1984, 85 and 86 with Niki Lauda and Alain Prost at the wheel.
They briefly raced in F1 as their own team too, they even won a race with Dan Gurney.
@@SamuelSantos_ One race win haha big deal. Even Toro Rosso has one race win in F1. Porsche still never achieved anything significant in F1 as an independent team.
@@horsepower523it’s been 60+ years since they were in f1, how is this even remotely relevant to how they would perform today
@@horsepower523 Why do they need to be an independent team anyway?
im in your walls@@horsepower523
Yea, there's literally no real reason for Porsche to join F1 other than flexing their brand, and it's a very expensive flex if they start from scratch (hence why they tried to purchase RBPT because it's already proven to be a very strong platform)
Well put!
1 reason would be to wash out the shame of building literally the worst F1 engine ever. No matter how highly Josh thinks of them they got dusted and embarrassed themselves in F1.
No they weren't trying to team up with RB
They just wanna avoid that 300 Million pay for new manufacturers joining in lol
@@nodo7575 you know that they also made the literally best engine in formula 1 history right? The MP4/2 McLaren is literally most successful chassis ever entered and with Porsche engines McLaren won 5 championships in 3 years
@James Black Don't try to argue with a F1 snob with facts and reason. They just want to hear how F1 is the best and anyone not in F1 is 2nd or 3rd rate.
Idk what everyone else thinks, but I think it would help people click on your videos more if you changed the background color of the thumbnail. The current yellow color is not very appealing and I find myself wanting to skip past it. The content was great once again though, keep it up! Edit: the thumbnail has been changed since this comment. It used to have a yellow background
I'll pin this comment - everyone in the replies, can you let me know what you think? Always looking to improve!
Well, when I see it, I immediately know it's a JW video. So.... Idk
I'll know it's JW, but that doesn't make it an appealing thumbnail.
Perhaps keep the yellow in, but in a different way.
I love the yellow background
@@JohnWarren Changing it would be like wtf1 no longer using orange.
Imagine how much faster an F1 car not conforming to any regulations would be than the 919 Tribute considering that an F1 car lapped Spa faster than it in qualifying.
Right, but the racing wouldn’t be very good because there’d be even bigger gaps between teams.
and then porsche would come along and build something even better
@@mangosteak The best Porsche could do still got beat by an extremely regulated F1 with crazy emission standards. You can't just build the fastest car without a history and infrastructure for competing in the #1 motorsport on the planet.
I bought my first Porsche 911 in 1973 and now, after 50 years I still drive a 911 4 S - at the age of 76. For me, there is no other car I would be interested in driving. Thank you for your great report.
They could join as an engine supplier to Andretti the partnership exists in formula e, the only issue there is to convince the other teams which is unlikely.
Their first deal fell through but yeah I don’t see them convincing the other teams Porsche also wanted to change a lot of the ways the Power Unit would be built to kinda give themselves an advantage which the other teams didn’t like
the problem here is that formula 1 doesn't allow flat 6's, which is where a lot of their engineering has already gone, so it's redesigning an entire engine from a model they don't use as prominently, aka a gigantic waste of money in their eyes
Join the team that broke the original 962. That tie in has no advantage for Porsche
thing is no one wants Andretti in f1
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As per a few of your comments, I've changed the thumbnail of this video to something hopefully a bit more visually appealing - let me know what you think of the new thumbnail and if there's anything else I can do to make it better!
Interesting looks nice
Change all of the thumbnails
It’s ok now, but doesn’t really stand out from the rest of the F1 pundit crowd, which seems to be getting denser by the minute the more Liberty pushes into the US.
I feel like moving away from the light yellow pastel into something more generic and mass-market does your brand a disservice.
It’s incredibly difficult to build a RUclips following, let along one that stands out, and having the pastels gives you something unique that’s easily recognizable. I see the yellow and go “hell yeah a John W vid.”
I understand some people’s criticism in the context of the F1 audience, but it doesn’t track for your growth goals. Changing only cedes your ability to stand out from a crowded room.
My suggestion would be to create a colour palate with the same warm tone and range as your yellow so that you have variety, but keeps your brand consistent and distinct from all the other F1 RUclipsrs/commenters.
The yellow is, honestly, the only reason I clicked your videos for the first time a while back “interesting look, let’s check it out.”
Please see my comment below. You are special. Your whole approach to this. Seriously.
New to your channel and I clicked, looked back at your other videos, I think it makes it look more appealing. Great content
I’m so humbled to be in touch with all the Porsche enthusiasts here like it’s a community that you’ve never thought you’d get in touch with anywhere. Keep making great videos like this it really brings people together, kudos!
Everything being as it is,I’d still very very very much love to see Porsche enter into F-1 just as long as it takes for them to stand on the top middle podium and win the constructors championship ! I think they should do it just for the fun and sport of it, they’ve got the money that’s for certain. And it might not help them sell more cars , but I think / believe the short amount of time it would take for Porsche to enter its first F-1 season and then to stand on top of the center podium wouldn’t take very long at all. And to be able to watch Porsche enter into F-1 stand on the center top podium and take the constructor’s championship wouldn’t take maybe two seasons at best. The bragging rights alone would be worth every penny , and I do believe that it would also increase Porsches car sells .I know it will never happen but I’d sure love to see it.
Whilst they are known for using the flat six engine, they can build a good V unit too. Plus from next year they'll be racing with an E- fuels in the WEC with the 963 hypercar. Porsche doesn't need F1 but F1 needs someone like Porsche. Porsche picked sportscar racing as it's where they belong.
put it perfectly. I think f1 needs a new powertrain manufacturer and i think porsche with their hybrid technology would be the perfect fit. I would love to see porsche in f1 but lets see what happens in 2026 onwards.
Porsche would get humiliated by Mercedes in f1. Even in "sportscar racing", Black series took the Nurburgring crown from Gt2, and Porsche had to make a Nurburgring PACKAGE just to get the crown back. Literally just a bunch of cowards, cant win without a modified Gt2.
@@brock7405 wow one car went faster than enough around the Nurburgring. Means sod all for racing. I don't think you understand sportscar racing do you. Hence the inverted commas. Porsche Motorsport division is one of the most successful in Motorsport. They'd beat Mercedes no issues. The fact Mercedes got beaten by two teams shows you know absolutely nothing about Motorsport and Porsche success within it.
@@kayto101racer Oh boy its not just one time thing. Porsche blamed Nissan back in 2010 for using "special tires" on Nissan gtr on their 7.27 Nurburgring lap, Porsche drove the car themselves getting a time of 7.54. Nissan had to do a second run to proof they had no special tires and got the exact same 7.27 lap. Guys really cant take their loss.
@@brock7405 and once again you shown you don't know wheel. You think sportscar racing is road cars? You honestly have no idea how good Porsches Motorsport division is. You say they don't know how to take an L when you dragged in something completely irrelevant on a subject you clearly know nothing about. You're just a walking L. Then again you are a weeb.
This video was beautiful. You really just proved why Porsche is THE best automotive manufacturer. This video is amazingly written. Keep up the good work John!
Thank you! I’m glad you think so😊
"best"
That's a bold opinion
Except every time they joined f1 in the past they failed miserably
I would not go that far. They are a great sports car manufacturer. But the best is a stretch. Id say Toyota are amongst the best. Largest car brand offering quality and silently they are one of the most successful Motorsports manufacturers with wins in n every discipline apart from F1
@@tyronnezx I think in terms of performance Porsche is probabilly the best. Their cars have amazing lap times in almost every circuit, even thought they are relatively cheap (a 911 turbo is 250k dollars, a sf90 stradale starts from 500k) and makes less noise and less consumption
Porsche did however provide an engine for Formula One: This engine powered the McLaren MP4/2 that Niki Lauda took to the F1 world title in 1984, before Alain Prost followed up on that success with back-to-back championships in 1985-86.
The 'TAG Turbo - made by Porsche' powerplant won a total of 25 grands prix in 1984-87.
I've been seeing Porsche ads on Reddit saying things like "original is everything". I got a good laugh out of that because it's pretty well known that most Porsche cars look alike, strikingly similar at that. But watching this video has given me a new respect for the brand and a new understanding of why they all look so similar. They've nearly perfected the modern sports car and the shape was almost the Paragon right from the get-go.
I own a 2003 Boxter and it has almost 100k miles and it still runs great. My dad bought it as the second owner. I haven't taken as much care of it as I probably should have but still. I love the brand so much. There's just something about owning a Porsche that just feels nice. A buddy of mine owns a 2022 and I've driven it a few times and there's no feeling like it in the world.
That’s awesome! I’m in an automotive school and I’m working towards PTAP (Porsche Technician apprenticeship program) and made it through the first interview phase, and have my next one sometime in January. I absolutely love Porsche, just the feel of it, the esthetics, etc.
my dad and i have a 2010 cayman, used to have a 2005 boxster and the carrera successes it by far it’s such an incredible car and we’re so lucky to have it
Porsche's are engineered amazing but it irks me when people say 100k and still runs great as if thats some milestone. Any car made after 1990 should be hitting 100k no problem, especially the boxster considering it wasn't really a production track car but rather a luxury grand touring car
@menace2society00 No, you're exactly right. 100k miles is nothing. Like I tell everyone. Any car can make it to 300k miles. It's just a question of how much it's going to cost to get it there. What I was saying is that most of them suck and don't last even past 100k miles. It was more of a statement of surprise
@@EdwardVelez Ahh I gotcha, I always hear good things with the flat engines in Porsche. Atleast conpared to Subaru's Flat 4 lol
Porsche reminds me of Michelin when they were offered to make tires for F1 and refused because they didn't want to build tires that WOULDNT last long. They wanted technology that could transfer over to road cars and F1 would pretty much just be a PR move/flex, one that they didn't need because of all the other forms of racing they get involved in and their good reputation for everyday use by consumers.
Porsche is kinda at the same point with F1, and I think it speaks great volume about the role and place of F1.
F1 seems less and less relevant to our period and our society needs, there are already categories for those new applications (Formula E, WEC, GT3, Dakar...), no shoes for them to fill in. F1 is bound to become completely irrelevant and a pure "Show Sport". I think Liberty Media understand this and that kinda explains all the different decision they've made since they came in.
As a lover of Michelin and Porsche
Yeah quality damn matters, all inovatiins and development must be able to transfer out of Motorsport.
Can’t say the same for pirelli 🤢
Ye pretty much it all started with 2000s where they started to not allow different engines so everybody couldnt just build the best possible they could have build.
Then we had obviously the hole tyre stuff where they made teams weaker bec they realised that some companys where just way more competent and nerves them. And now it gets extremer where we arnt far of a nascar really with all those rules about how the car should look like
@@ehrlichgesagt863 i wonder if Porsche joined F1 in 2026, we may see Setsuna Yuki and Ai Miyashita driving for them.
That's actually hilarious because my Mercedes came with Pirellis and they lasted for 20,000 miles 😂 Absolutely terrible brand never get Pirelli's
@@ehrlichgesagt863 the one issue Porsche would have is the single parts supplier with modifications that NASCAR had in place, currently.
This actually very well done! I love that every important detail that needed to be said that coincided with the title was done right. Love the video! Good job!
Is this a Porsche commercial?
Great video John! Porsche are arguably one of the most successful manufacturers in Motorsport and I agree I don’t think they would need to join F1. Audi, who’s linked to Porsche through Volkswagen, is already joining F1 so there wouldn’t be any need for Volkswagen to send another manufacturer to F1. Porsche’s involvement in the GTP Class and Hypercar Class is more relevant to their company I believe . With the amount of manufacturers joining, the new hypercar classes are going to bring in another golden era in endurance racing motorsport, and Porsche are bringing 2 LMDh 963’s to Le Mans in 2023 with additional 2 from customer teams further helping their chances at a 20th overall Le Mans victory.
Porsche did enter as a engine supplier in 1983 to 1987 and won two championships and come secound two times.
@@ThePapaja1996 Damn that's insane, I guess there really don't need to enter the F1 scene after all.
Actually Volkswagen in joining f1 in 2026 with their car not audi. Also bugatti exists.
Porsche functions fairly independently from Volkswagen though. If Porsche wanted to compete in F1, they could just do it.
I agree. Audi is enough. Why do they need 2 constructors
I've always been a big fan of Porsche's front engined cars in the 80's and 90's. Then when I visited my uncle in Santa Barbra California and rode in his 911 SC targa, I was completely smitten. The flat 6 sound is absolutely glorious. I once owned a 1976 914/4 back in the 90's. I completely agree with the points made here. Thank you.
I drive a BMW, mainly because porsche 911's are expensive. However I have driven 911's before and really they have a lot of similar feel to some BMW's. But everything I like about BMW, porsche also does, but just better. Truly one of the best car manufacturers out there. Maybe one day when my spouse becomes a millionaire ill get a porsche lol.
Great video, finally someone who finds the words to explain how great Porsche is. Best car brand in my opinion.
I feel like joining f1 in 2026 will help them build on sustainable fuel as a engine manufacturer rather then works team due to not wasting as much money and helping advertise the new breed of hybrid engines
Not really sure you can compare 918 Tribute to the F1 lap time, when one is following strict regulations over a race weekend and the is completely unshackled from any regs.
It wasn't really completely unshackled as most people like to label it, it still had some restrictions from the starting LMP1 for various reasons.
A regulation F1 car would get stuck on a crack in the Nurburgring. You HAVE to deregulate the damn thing to even get it running over the bumpy-ass track.
It's a 919 Evo mate and obviously there was still some limits since they used the base 919
1:04 I think this is somewhat misleading, if you had seen the AMG One’s run, you’d know that the track conditions isn’t even remotely okay for hot-lapping when compared to the Porsche that was doing it in perfect conditions. I mean I can see Maro Engel literally avoiding giant WET patches on the racing line. I’m sure if the AMG One is given the chance to run again, it can pull out an even better gap than 8 seconds, maybe even 20+. But in the end, I give my applause to both manufacturers, they’ve made truly bonkers automobiles in their respective price points
So glad they got back into prototype (now HyperCar) racing. That 963 looks like it’ll dominate but only time will tell. Cant wait for the ‘23 season!
My favorite Porsche story has to do with the Zeta and Alpha platform Camaros. Porsche’s head chassis engineer (I think) drove the Zeta around the Nurburgring once and told Chevy it will never handle like a true sports car, so they hired him and he developed the Alpha platform that’s now regarded as one the most well balanced handling platforms ever.
surprised they didn’t make an even more track focused version of the ZL1 1LE. Or maybe it’s the Cayman problem, they don’t want a Camaro to be faster than a Corvette 😂
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the 500E at 7:28 wasn’t engineered by Porsche. Instead it was “just” produced by Porsche because it wouldn’t fit the standard Mercedes production line of the W124 and Porsche was going through a little bit of a rough patch and both companies are based in Stuttgart.
Porsche had some inputs like relocating the battery to the trunk and few things, there is a good recent youtube documentary (featuring people who actually worked on the 500E at Porsche)
Mercedes wanted to help their hometown neighbor because they were in desperate need of cash (you can go and verify this) so they contracted them to manufacture and tune the 500e, something they easily could have done themselves since they had a motorsports team at the time.
@@chiefdenisexactly. Mercedes didn't NEED Porsche to do anything for them. Porsche needed Mercedes to survive, and rather than be ruthless..Mercedes obliged, and we still have Porsche today.
All you say makes sense, but anyway they really wanted to race in F1 with RedBull. Ultimately it was RedBull that denied them and let the deal to collapse. If it wasn't for RedBull rejecting Porsche, they would be racing in F1 from 2026 on. But for the reasons you mentioned, they're probably not too sad and won't be looking to get into a team that isn't already at the top.
nothing will make my hair stand on the edge than seeing an F1 at full tilt through a fast corner, I saw Montreal 2016 and man... I love endurance racing, wrc, Indy, moto gp, but seeing that made me emotional really. it's so hard to explain, I feel like so many people who comment haven't seen any racing let alone formula one, I get the gripes about the WORLD of F1..but seeing those cars qualify, even during free practice is fkn UNREAL
this was such a well made and fundamented video, keep on with the good work man. Greetings from Brazil!
Always wondered why zonda lamborghini and konegg never ventured into the f1. They clearly don't need help selling cars and have nothing to prove but I'd love to see there technological advances and how they create new possibilities as that's what f1 used to be about.
Lamborghini made engines in the early 1990s and even its own team (sort of) in 1991, but they were mediocre at best. Porsche also made an engine in 1991, which was a dumpster fire
Lamborghini was never interested in racing, saying even that it was a waste of time and money. It’s only in present day after his death that Lamborghini is going racing, and they would still never race in F1. Most of Lamborghini’s greatest innovations happen OUTSIDE of racing, not inside of it. Same with Koenigsegg. Pagani (which u called Zonda for some reason) was never worried abt racing similarly to Lamborghini. He just wanted to create a car that was better and more extreme than anything Lamborghini could create, and he did. Also, Koenigsegg makes cars that surpass some of the technologies of F1 cars, such as their Freevalve technology in the Gemera (which I’m surprised hasn’t found its was into F1 with all of the performance potential it could bring to the engine), their light speed transmission in the Jesko and the CC850 (which subsequently enabled them to put an automatic manual transmission on a car with the aforementioned CC850), and their direct drive technology in the Regera. This makes them similar to Porsche in that they’re a team of engineers who happen to make cars. They don’t need F1. Lamborghini is also largely a team of engineers, pushing the boundaries of automotive technology. Their supercapacitor hybrid system, their ALA system, their Forged Composites material and their smart materials system implemented in the Sian should be proof of that. Pagani doesn’t engineer much, but are instead focused on making beautiful yet brutal works of art on wheels, so they would have no need for F1 either. Therefore, none of the companies u have mentioned would have any need or desire to be in F1
Lamborghini is literally the polar opposite of Ferrari. Lamborghini made road cars and he didn't want to go racing, meanwhile Enzo only made road cars to fund the racing team. It would be cool to see Ferrari vs Lamborghini in F1 but at least it will be a thing at the WEC from next year.
@@mrsoisauce9017 Christian and nikko rosberg have a great interview where he mentions formula ones influence on his first super car and beyond
Lamborghini is also a subsidiary of Volkswagen so they don’t need to join to gain access to the tech that will be created by VWs/Audis new teams
Great video and very informative. I was wondering about more details other than the press that Red Bull broke off from Porsche to work with Ford, and this covered it and went much deeper into the rationale of Porsche in general. I'm an owner and glad they are paying attention to us. Also, not that i'm an expert, but I have worked with graphics and I thought your thumbnail and color, etc. was fine. Obviously I saw it and the title made me click. Keep the pale yellow theme if you like it as it does stand out a little from the other noise on the page.
Hi John, I'm a new subscriber. I like your new thumbnail more and the yellow font "pops" just enough. You can continue to use the yellow font to be like your signature so we immediately know it's one of your videos. Keep up the great work! 👍🏼
One small error at the beginning of the video about the 919. It was actually called the 919 Evo not the “tribute” and they didn’t build it because they won Le Mans. They built it because Porsche was leaving the WEC after winning the championship year after year so as a tribute to the 919 that’s when they let their engineers free on the car
Your video is not correct, Porsche really wanted to race in F1, and they would have, with a mostly badged engine. It was Redd Bull that turned them down. Further more like you said in the beginning it would make sense for Porsche to stand out in the hybrid era of enginering, that was the reason VW/Porsche wants to join F1. So thats where your F1 story falls apart.
I’m not saying Porsche could not eventually win in F1, but if they would start an F1 team purely on their own they would 100% be fighting not to finish last for at least the first 3 years. Thats why Porsche isn’t in F1 , they only wanted to join if they could take over an already existing F1 team and be competitive from year1.
But the rest of your video was good & very enjoyable.
John...your style is a gem around YT. Great Voice, sensational speaking, spot on information and arguments, perfect visuals.
Stunning work man.
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I’ve genuinely not had a comment this nice before on RUclips - thank you so much man 🤍
@@JohnWarren it's a pleasure! Facts should be called out especially the good ones (;
excellent quality. I hope your channel grows fast, you deserve it. There is no question about it growing though.
It does make sense for Porsche to compete in f1. F1 is an increasing brand that needs to continue with combustion engines and so is Porsche so like you said everyone sells something in f1 and Porsche need to sell the idea of sustainable fuels because the EU is already preparing the laws to ban combustion engine cars from being sold and joining forces with F1 as a team and engine builder would really help their cause
I don't see the V6 vs flat-6 being a problem for Porsche. They were involved in committee that helped draft the 2026 power unit regulations (as were Audi, no wonder the power outputs of the ICE and MGUK are similar to mid 2010s LMP1). The flat-6 is also terrible for an open wheel car with large venturi tunnels, and is not the best as a structural part of the chassis.
The 963 to the LMDh rules is a twin turbo V8, and the 919 had a turbo V4.
Only 19.5% of their sales are flat-6s. 911s represent less than 13% of sales, while SUVs account for nearly 57%.
Only the Panamera and Boxster/Cayman sold less.
Very good content and totally agree, I'm a RB fan and was kind of excited about Porsche joining RB because I know there by far the most reliable sports car on the planet and would add a lot to the RB powertrain. But yes unfortunately they bring too much red tape to RB who up to now was a fairly streamline race team where decisions don't need to be approved by the board. So them not joining is a shame but totally understandable from both Parties.
Yoo just wanted to say the new thumbnail looks sick and the video was awesome mate
Mercedes 500E was not engineered *fully* by Porsche, the only thing Porsche did to engineer the car was figuring out how to put Mercedes' new V8--which had debuted in the 500 SL--into a compact sedan because Mercedes engineers didn't have time to figure out how to fit a chonker of an engine into a car designed for fuel crisis engines when they had other matters relating to the S-Class. After the redesign of the W124, a problem arose because the 500E now was too fat and wide to fit down a Mercedes production line so Porsche had to take responsibility for assembling the car in what used to be the Porsche 959 factory. But other than the changes needed to fit a new engine in and the assembly, Mercedes had full control of the W124's development
Also, fun fact, the RS2 Wagon was being built in the same factory for a short period, so in that time you could watch as Audis and Benzes rolled out of the same Porsche factory.
EDIT: Oh and the reason why Porsche has lend hands with other companies so much is because Porsche is also an engineering consulting company so some companies just let Porsche do some of the work just so they can focus on other projects. Whether that's a dub or not is up to you.
John. You have such a criminally underrated channel. Nice work, chap👍
This video is mindblowing. The amount of attention to historical details - very nice. You earned a sub
Very nice video, well researched ❤
honestly impressed by the production value of this video. Great job bro
I really like the new style of editing.
Much content, such entertaining.
Cliff's Notes: F1 won't let them run a boxer and why would they waste time on any other platform.
Other points are also very solid and well presented!
Brooo this video is insanely good ❤keep up the work
Two remarks,first the 919's last version came out in 2016, and was faster than the f1 cars of that generation, since the post 2017 regs f1 became several seconds faster, and second, for some reason mercedes decided to attempt their only run in the amg one in a wet surface (no clue why they did this), so the laptime set by that car is still pretty damn impressive
The track wasn’t wet, it only looked that way in the video because the weather wasn’t perfect. The track was dry
@@musiccer7446 Still, humid tarmac, colder track... It has a bigger implicance than the difference between the cars even if it's not fully wet. I still remember the Yaris GR surpassing a Veyron on the outside just because the track was wet AF. Not holding MB shield since it was done on purpose to regain the leadership on ideal conditions once any car takes their crown.
@@joelrodriguez9611 i mean its not like the veyron is massively faster anyways , it's like a 15 sec gap around the lap between both and obviously most of the time is gained on the straight for the Bugatti so it's not surprising that a Yaris Gr could do that
Great video. As an automotive enthusiast, I feel like owning a Porsche is a right of passage.
Great content with clean text. thank you for your work an time on this video.
Great video. Really well put together
Brilliant video!
I hope you will keep doing these kinds of videos for other OEMs.
Porsche doesn’t join F1 because they want absolute power of whichever F1 team they would potentially partner up with. Those teams are not willing to hand over full control to Porsche.
This was such an amazing video, as a porsche fan, a car fan and a lover of motorsport! Truly outstanding!!!
Still hope they will enter F1 cause it would be exciting to see what they would create
Really gave me a good answer for this. You clearly put effort into your videos, and I wish you success
Please do more non-f1 videos.
Absolutely beautiful work, well done
Great video guy. Just found your channel, & couldn't agree more.
Thank you for your time I really enjoy videos like this! I’m going to my love. Her grandfather had a 1967 - 911 in Burt orange, with black leather. She said other vehicles felt cookie cutter, A-B driving. But in the 911 it felt like we could go anywhere like the lines on the road weren’t in control of this car, then the sound of that performance engine she said she fell in love. Thank you I completely understand 😊🤙🏼
AMG would humiliate them. Besides F1 is about experience and Know-how. As a new team they would struggle a lot. Before being competitive it would take 4-6 years and that’s a lot of money that goes into it without any return.
I agree a lot with one of the things you said in this video that a car wouldn't have a soul without the sound of a engine I love electric cars as much as the next guy and electric supercars are even cooler but the sound is everything the gears shifting the engine roar to life. in racing especially in f1 it just wouldn't be the same without the sound so I'm glad that more are focusing more on sustainable fuels and not just electric.
There is something to be said about the sound of an electric car. I dont completely hate it, sure it doesnt have the same shocking roar as a combustion engine, but it just sounds so futuristic and cool. I have driven a tesla before, and it felt quite weird going 0-60 in a couple seconds with just the hum of the batteries. It is kind of an awesome feeling, it feels like you have SO much power, and you definetly do.
I enjoy both, driving a V8 through a tunnel, flooring it and hearing it echo off the tunnel, great time. But the hum of electric cars is also cool, in another way.
We need a full 12 team grid for F1, not many companies would be able to enter and compete in F1 but Porsche def could.
Not with Audi joining h unfortunately, it’s extremely unlikely that the VW group would want to foot the bill for two seperate teams and engine developments. Porsche wanted to buy into a winning team without doing any of the work, and when it failed they decided not to enter the sport at all.
Lambo, Ferrari, Mercedes, Honda, Renault, Hyundai, Ford, GM, Toyota, BMW/VW, Nissan/Peugeot, Chrysler/SAIC
12 companies :) 9 EZ choices, and then either a 3rd Japanese and/or American, or a 2nd French and the first Chinese one to go with the 2nd German pick.
it even bothers me that more companies do not compete in NASCAR. I refuse to believe that Porsche couldn't build a cup winning car in a few years.
A marvellous coverage of the legacy of Porsche! I totally loved the video Mr. Warren!
Ngl best vid watched off the month. Good stuff keep it up
This is such a great in depth understanding of all the fundamental things that make porsche such a unique and ambiguous brand. I wish they would go into F1 just to make a statement, but that would be too ferrari of them.
Not only the next Turbo will be a hybrid but the whole 911 lineup (non GT) will be mild hybrids with the 992.2
Like a FW-E RW-ICE just like the 919?
If there were no rules holding F1 cars back the drivers would all be dead from not being able to handle the speed
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Great video. High production value
moral of the story: Porsche has more clout than Formula 1🗿
i love this content style, but it feels insanely biased towards porshe, and leaves out the fact the mercedes did the run on a wet day, and the fact that the MR was purpose built for the Nordschleife while the mercedes was not built for it, and 8 seconds is alot of time, idk the video is amazing though
What was the other video called that you referenced in this video?
loved the video and how you stated all your sources at the end
Tbh I wonder the gap difference if the AMG One did the Nordschleife(sorry if it's spelt wrong) on a dry condition(cuz iirc the lap record was made when the track are not fully dry)
And a proper engine. I have no idea why these apparent car RUclipsrs seem to miss the point of the AMG one, the 1.6 L road legal F1 engine was a masterful attempt at tech demonstration. The AMG F1 did the Nurburgring lap record despite the engine is what it should be said. People have no idea the massive technical efforts it took for an F1 engine to idle at 5k. Even the black series did the record in Abysmal conditions. Most spotters say the black series would've passed the 911 GT 2 RS MR in similar conditions.
Porsche already has a F1 history. They build the turbo charged 4 cylinder egine for McLaren back then with great success in 1984 and 1985. Their 1991 released n.a V12 F1 engine on the other hand was quite a let down and had a bad power to weight ratio compared to Ferraris unit. Porsche may not need F1 but for sure they would like to be part of F1. Otherwise there is no explanation for their recent attempt to buy 50% of RB Racing.
Great video I learned something new today keep em coming
It was such a good video. Keep making these:
Thats not entirely true though is it?
1. Yes, the Porsche 919 is a great car & beat F1's record around Spa (for less than a year until the next F1 race took place) but as you said it was made without any rules, whereas F1 cars have rules they need to follow, pretty sure that most F1 teams could make a faster car if they had no rulebook to follow.
2. Porsche have tried to enter F1 numerous times, most recently last year, when they wanted to pretty much buy RB now but RB only wanted a partner not to sell...
3. You're saying Porsche doesnt need to sell any more cars but I dont think there's a car brand out there with less of a need for more car orders than Ferrari and yet they're the most legendary F1 team.
All in all, I believe there's an actual reason why they're not joining F1 and it's because F1 is so unpredictable and so competitive. A brand could invest millions upon millions and see no difference on their results or wait years until they do (see Honda, Toyota, Renault since 2006, even Mercedes needed 3-4 years until they became dominant). This would hurt their image too much and if theres no choice of buying an already established team (like what they tried with RB) then there's no reason to enter at all.
This. No company would deny good publicity. Much else a sports car company with f1. With that said where I live, Porsche is a clear lifestyle brand (well said, "They don't sell cars, they sell engineering." - can you go much cockier than that). And again, with all that they make really great cars, I'd grab many. But don't say they need no reason to be in f1. Childish.
This is why it is so great that Ferrari are getting back into sports car racing.
The two most iconic sports car brands need to be racing against each other.
Actually, Porsche tried to go into F1 but they didn’t want to start from scratch and nobody wanted to sell their team. F1 is still the reigning category and whoever dominates gets to sit on top of the motorsport’s world, that´s why Red Bull and Aston Martin got in, and Mercedes, Ferrari. McLaren, Williams, etc, don´t leave.
Fantastic video, but that shutter sound effect is startling, I kept thinking I’d accidentally taken a screenshot
You my friend, are going places! Your video was a joy to watch! I can see the effort you put into it!
Keep it up!
I'm looking forward to watching more of these types of videos!
Cheers :)
Enjoyed the video but I think a comparison must be drawn to Ferrari. They both have had similar commitments to sportscar racing in the past 20 years (minus Ferraris omission from the LMP1 category), both have sufficient demand for there cars, I mean Ferrari choose there clientele, and both have large customer racing programs. Yet Ferrari choses to compete in F1 still to this day? This granted, is due to Ferraris long history in the sport, but as well as this it sells Ferrari as a brand. This is what I believe Porsche are wanting to achieve in F1, as much as they have a rich history in sports car racing its popularity pales in comparison to that of F1. Porsche would show they can win on all fronts of motorsport which has been a status reserved for a select few.
Idk man, seeing Ferrari in F1 doesnt exactly sell me on buying a Ferrari (money aside)
If you think f1 is more popular then gt racing your very much mistaken 😂 f1 just now started becoming a fan sport or did you forget that it basically use to be a very private an enclosed Motorsport only the rich could really watch, an if you really believe that people see Ferrari in f1 an go “I wanna buy a Ferrari now” then your lost 💀 considering the fact that f1 cars an sorts cars have almost 0 similarities an also Porsche doesn’t go to f1 because they can’t they don’t because they don’t care to, why go somewhere else when they’re the kings of the gt racing world 🤷🏽♂️ they’ve built most of the greatest race cars ever an it isn’t even close, especially when there’s about to be a new golden age in gt racing, f1 just isn’t important to them
@@Gabethemosthated F1 is objectively more popular than GT racing, the only time GT was ever close was Group C. Its not about advertising directly for Ferrari its about setting an identity for there brand. Porsche did the same thing with the World Sportscar Championship. There is no doubt that Porsche are one of, if not the most successful sportscar manufacturer of all time, but if you cared to watch any sportscar racing you'd see that prior to Hyper car it struggled with viewership at the best of times. Sportscar racing will never have the same viewership as F1, its fundamentally less mainstream with 24hr races and confusing classes. Porsche understand this hence there desire to show that they can compete in the mainstream intern selling there brand. Its not about the very small proportion of people that can buy the cars its about selling the brand, and Porsche know in a world of influencers F1 is probably the place to do that.
@@mattsparksy your right, gt racing is more for the hardcore Motorsports fans, which is why it has about 50% less viewership then f1, but it’s kinda hard to get an exact estimate with all the catagorys an classes, but more of the casuals tune in to f1 because it’s simpler to understand but the hardcore Motorsport fans both watch f1 an gt even tho if I’m being honest f1 has become boring throughout the years while gt racing is becoming more an more popular with some saying a new golden era that hasn’t happens since group c an gt1 in the 90s but even if you don’t watch gt racing even the most casual of fans know that Porsche rules the racing world, even tho they aren’t in f1 but like the video explained they don’t need to be they dominate gt racing an wouldn’t really gain anything from f1
@@Gabethemosthated I agree with you in regards to sportscar racings new golden era. I'm very excited to see this and the racing is absolutely better but people won't give it the time of day because it's very hard to get into. Committing to long races and hard to understand rule sets is a high barrier to entry. As for Porsche ruling the Motorsport world, in terms of sportscars there's an argument to be had. But outside of that they don't really compete. The only negative on sportscars from F1 is poaching it's manufactures, Audi who had a car 2 weeks away from testing and Aston Martin who literally had a car ready to go.
Excellent video, very well explained!
Only 8 seconds? 8 seconds is a huge step up and not a small win by any margin lol
There is another reason you forget to mention for Porsche not wanting to enter F1 anytime soon: they could fail. In this case not only there would be no benefit for them to enter F1, but it could even prove harmfull for the brand
0:55 did we wear the same thing. 💀
If you don’t play you can never loose.
Well done, great video!
Porsche are seriously just an amazing company with a rich history, I really hope they get into F1 because Audi is joining in 2025/26, it would be great to see which German company out of the 3 of them will be on top
Obv vw will be at top. They are the parent company 😂😂😂
The “just” 8 seconds you talk about when intrapolated to distance of spa is 2.689 seconds per lap
So it’s not just as that car would be lapped twice by the time full race ends
he said 8 secs on nurburgring
He was talking about Nördschleife...your logic is still flawed when it comes to Spa
They should hire you!
Fantastic review snd spot on!!
Cheers!!
Owner of a pre A 356 convertible #309
And 2006 987.1 Cayman S
Great video, my friend. Subbed.
Fun fact: porsche is owned by volkswagen, which intern is owned by porsche
Can i say it broke the lap record for Hamilton's 2017 f1 car only for the w11 to put it in it's place and bare in mind the 919 tribute is a car without limits both of Hamilton's cars had limits and yet still the w11 has the track record
Porsche doesn't need to be the fastest per lap to have a better car that lasts a hundred times longer than mercedes
Although the 919 Evo doesn't fit into any regulation, it still carried some limitations from the base LMP1. Also, if I recall correctly, the driver had less than 10 laps practice. Hardly enough time to learn a car that's about 20 seconds faster than what he normally drives - which he openly said he was the limiting factor. There's at least a few seconds in there.
@paper plane No, a F1 car is not miles quicker on a track without long straights. Like I said, even while they had those features, they still carried over some limitations from the base LMP1 car. Some of those limits restricted their cornering speeds.
Only a F1 snob with no knowledge of motorsports will fail to recognise this.
@paper plane I didn't address those of an F1 car because I was merely pointing out that the Porsche was not limitless in the strictest sense, like most people like to claim it is.
Of course a F1 snob has to chime in and make it about F1. Since you want to compare it to a F1, those limitations on the 919 Evo are significant if you really want to compare them together.
so?
Well made video with what the title says summerized in a reasonable time with no filler
0:07 I don't believe that's the case anymore. It set the lap record at the time, beating Vettel's 2019 lap but 2020 Hamilton pole lap holds the record so F1 is still faster today