Determining the Depth of Your Guitar's Neck Pocket

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  • Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
  • This is one method (out of many) for calculating the depth of a guitar's neck pocket.

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  • @harriswho
    @harriswho 3 года назад +13

    Been waiting for a video like this and timing couldn't be more perfect as I am in the middle of a build. Cheers!

  • @64_Commuter
    @64_Commuter 4 месяца назад +2

    As always, very helpful information and clearly explained.

  • @genericname2284
    @genericname2284 5 месяцев назад +2

    This is the video I was looking for. Thank you so much

  • @mickyork41
    @mickyork41 День назад +1

    This is really well explained, except for one omission - it’s doesn’t seem to account for string action. Following this precisely will result in strings which touch the fret wires won’t it? I assume this is corrected by adjusting the saddles but this would imply the degree of accuracy is not as critical as you suggest?

  • @thijs199
    @thijs199 3 года назад +3

    Thank you for this in-depth information throughout the whole build. I could agree that there are things that I will miss out on, but I feel, watching these kinds of videos will definitely set me up for success in building guitars.

  • @DaisyHollowBooks
    @DaisyHollowBooks 3 года назад +2

    You've solved a long-running mystery for me. Thanks.

  • @omniscienteye8880
    @omniscienteye8880 3 года назад +1

    Thank you, Chris! You went more in depth with this video, and always appreciate these invaluable tips.

  • @FrugalFixerSpike
    @FrugalFixerSpike 3 года назад +1

    Perfect, I pulled my project out. Need to adjust the pocket, perfect info.
    Always so understandable!

  • @juicy5816
    @juicy5816 2 года назад +1

    Thank you so much man, this has absolutely saved me from having to guesstimate. Love your videos, thank you

  • @Terry3Gs
    @Terry3Gs 3 года назад +1

    Excellent video Chris!! Thanks again. 👍

  • @tomalexiou9573
    @tomalexiou9573 3 года назад +1

    Thank you Chris for this valuable information.

  • @FrugalFixerSpike
    @FrugalFixerSpike 3 года назад +2

    Gotmine ready today. Time to finish this thing out!

  • @rafaelgilmartinez9320
    @rafaelgilmartinez9320 3 года назад +1

    Thank you Chris. Wonderful advice.

  • @dave1812
    @dave1812 3 года назад +3

    looking forward to the video about Tremolo Neckpockets

  • @stevechapman9820
    @stevechapman9820 Год назад +1

    Hey Chris, thanks for sharing your knowledge but i was just wondering why you measure the thickness of the neck at around the A or B string and not from the centre where it would be thickest? I have been measuring my necks at the thickest point and measuring my bridge thickness with the saddles on the deck. You got me thinking now. Thanks again for the videos and i hope your winter is being kind to you over there.

  • @sine0wave
    @sine0wave 2 года назад +1

    This was super helpful. Thanks for posting!!

  • @JonathanWhoever
    @JonathanWhoever 3 года назад +1

    Great vid. Later this week I will be cutting my first neck pocket. I have a machinist friend with several Bridgeports. Routers can get away from me to easily.

  • @tedrobinson3802
    @tedrobinson3802 11 месяцев назад +1

    Be weary of things that look easy. It always the little detail that get you.

  • @timoehling2756
    @timoehling2756 Год назад +1

    Very helpful information, thank you.

  • @jamescopeland5358
    @jamescopeland5358 5 месяцев назад +1

    Great idea

  • @Taxman72
    @Taxman72 Год назад +1

    How do you reduce the depth of a used guitar neck HEEL without reducing the depth of the pocket? I'm adding a Squire neck to a 1970's mini Harmony body as a travel guitar.

  • @r.llynch4124
    @r.llynch4124 2 года назад +2

    I see Warmoth uses same depth of pocket for tremolo or hardtail bridge no matter which on you decide to use. I thought that was strange.

  • @SnifferCustoms
    @SnifferCustoms 3 года назад +1

    As always, thank you for utilization of valuable time to share your information in these videos! 🤘
    Most decimal places is best decimal places. 😈

  • @TheSteinbock22
    @TheSteinbock22 3 года назад +1

    Great video, thanks a lot. Just that I fully understand this, you do not add the string action to the equation? Is this because you are lowering the strings at bridge to the Maximum and adjust the action later by raising the individual strings?

    • @HighlineGuitars
      @HighlineGuitars  3 года назад +3

      Sort of. I raise the saddles about 1/16" off the baseplate so the strings are slightly above the frets. Too low to be playable, but you'll have enough adjustment range to get the action you want, high or low. Keep in mind that I am building guitars for other people. Since I can't always know what kind of action they'll prefer, I have to make sure they'll have room to adjust the string height for whatever they desire.

  • @nanaandbump.
    @nanaandbump. 2 года назад

    Thanks for this! I'm at this stage with my first build, and I actually started doing your exact method prior to watching this. I looked into Fender style neck pockets, and I noticed that a lot of them are a standard 5/8" deep. This feels very shallow to me - (with my setup, using the method you mention I need around 7/8" deep). I'm inclined to do your method instead, but I am nervous there may be some other variable I'm not thinking of that warrants a 5/8" pocket. The main concern being the distance between the strings and the body (or pickguard if you have one). I'm curious if the Fender spec does 5/8" in part because folks wanted more space there for playability? Im probably super over-thinking things, and my instinct tells me that wouldn't be a problem, but I'm still paranoid. . . Anywho, thanks again for sharing your expertise!

  • @thijs199
    @thijs199 3 года назад +1

    dragon looks amazing!

  • @banditkeithkingofduelmonsters
    @banditkeithkingofduelmonsters 3 года назад +1

    I do a recess for my tune o matic bridges and have wondered why it's not more common to see. Maybe I'll figure it out in the future as I have only built 5 or so guitars.

  • @jacobsamano9761
    @jacobsamano9761 Год назад +1

    I’m not sure why you said that before measuring the bottom of string at the bridge saddle that you first lower one saddle so that it’s flush with the bridge plate then slightly raise the saddle next to it then measure. Why is this necessary and if you do that to 2 saddles then which is the one you measure? The one flush with the bridge plate or the one beside it that is slightly higher? I’m very confused. Thank you! My calipers arrive tomorrow and I have to attempt to fix an uneven guitar neck at the neck pocket on my 90’s Squier Strat that had paint from the factory inside the neck pocket which I then sanded out and now the neck is all out of whack and completely uneven

    • @HighlineGuitars
      @HighlineGuitars  Год назад +1

      It's to account for the fretboard's radius.

    • @jacobsamano9761
      @jacobsamano9761 Год назад

      @@HighlineGuitars thank you sir, I appreciate your response.

  • @danielniewoehner6235
    @danielniewoehner6235 Год назад +1

    Perfect, thanks.

  • @asterisk606
    @asterisk606 3 года назад +1

    Great information!

  • @davelogeman
    @davelogeman Год назад +1

    How thin can you make the material that supports the bottom of the neck pocket (ie from the bottom of the body to the bottom of the neck) without running into issues of possible breakage? Say for a typical strat style pocket with an alder body and maple neck?

    • @HighlineGuitars
      @HighlineGuitars  Год назад +1

      I have three Strats with between 7/8" up to 1-1/8" of body wood under the neck heels. Why the variation? They're mass-production guitars, that's why. I recommend an inch.

  • @MrBritrider
    @MrBritrider 9 месяцев назад

    Would this formula work for a three saddle Tele bridge as well?

  • @AdrianDecaux
    @AdrianDecaux 3 года назад +1

    Hi Chris, with that measuring, don't you risk to get the fretboard a little below of the top of the body? What measure do you have between the thickness of the fretboard plus the fret wire? Is it less than 8mm?
    Thanks

    • @asterisk606
      @asterisk606 3 года назад

      An average fretboard thickness would be 3/16" or around 5mm, and a tall, jumbo fret would be ~.050" or ~1.5mm so it would be close. Unless someone made a thicker fretboard than normal this works and the fretboard will be sitting just above the body.

    • @HighlineGuitars
      @HighlineGuitars  3 года назад +1

      My fretboards are about 6mm thick along the centerline. The bottom of the fretboard ends up about 1.6mm out of the body.

  • @ogracer
    @ogracer 5 месяцев назад +1

    exactly what i wanted to know

  • @kosaponglusang4595
    @kosaponglusang4595 3 года назад +1

    Thank you so much sir for this tip... 🤗

  • @scaphArt
    @scaphArt 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for this video

  • @Binhguitar2007
    @Binhguitar2007 2 года назад +1

    I want to use tune o matic for a flat top guitar build, so could u give the height of the tune o matic bridge? Thank you!

  • @r.llynch4124
    @r.llynch4124 2 года назад +1

    I'm using a Gotoh 510 tremolo Any pro advice on setting that up for correct depth?

    • @HighlineGuitars
      @HighlineGuitars  2 года назад

      At the very least, I always do a full scale side view drawing of the guitar to calculate the depths. That way I can check the string action over the frets as well as the relationship between the tremolo block and the back of the body. To take it a step further I also build a full scale 3D model of the guitar for more precise analysis.

    • @r.llynch4124
      @r.llynch4124 2 года назад

      @@HighlineGuitars I'm not good at computer programs like that though. Maybe down the line you could do a video hands on kinda thing? Thanks for the reply.

  • @ryanybos
    @ryanybos 2 года назад +1

    Thanks Chris !

  • @djoyce777
    @djoyce777 6 месяцев назад +1

    GREAT VIDEO CHRIS... however. PLEASE RE-DO for clarity. This is a critical measurement and I for one need a CLEARER explanation to calculate the depth of neck pocket before I ruin my first guitar build, something I've put hundreds of hours into. YOUR VIDEOS HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY HELPFUL... THANK YOU 😇 🙏🙌

    • @HighlineGuitars
      @HighlineGuitars  6 месяцев назад

      I don’t know how I can make it clearer.

  • @dedosmagicosmetal504
    @dedosmagicosmetal504 3 года назад +1

    nice, what about individual saddles? i plan to do a multiscale, would be the same method?

  • @daveygg3063
    @daveygg3063 2 года назад

    I have a prs style kit. The neck sits which looks like a quarter inch above the body. How would I determine either shaving down the neck or deepening pocket. Also, you did the neck thickness in relation to bridge and action for appropriate thickness. But I need the opposite calculation if you were to measure the pocket itself and determine the thickness of the neck. Sorry it's alot. Hopefully I made it clear. Just trying to get my head around this.

    • @HighlineGuitars
      @HighlineGuitars  2 года назад +1

      Take the string height at the bridge when the saddles are as low as they can be adjusted and add that measurement to the depth of the pocket. That will give you the neck + fretboard + fret height measurement you need. I would subtract about a 1/16" from this number to get the final neck thickness. Example: Neck pocket depth (1") + string height at the bridge (.30") - .0625" = a neck heel thickness of 1.2375"

    • @daveygg3063
      @daveygg3063 2 года назад

      @@HighlineGuitars thank you sir

  • @patrickthomas8890
    @patrickthomas8890 Год назад +1

    What’s the name of the tool you used to measure?

  • @TheMazdaFan
    @TheMazdaFan 3 года назад +4

    If you would like your reading to be as accurate as possible, and since you have a digital caliper, take your measurement of the bridge, make that your “zero” starting point and then measure your neck. No calculations required.

  • @Binhguitar2007
    @Binhguitar2007 2 года назад +1

    Are all hardtail bridge the same?

    • @HighlineGuitars
      @HighlineGuitars  2 года назад

      No. Some are taller than others and some are wider.

  • @ukguitaryogi2888
    @ukguitaryogi2888 Год назад +1

    i am routing by a stanley (non electric) hand router plane and paring chisels and sand paper and files, not a power electric router-
    I tried this technique on a tele neck pocket and it was far too high. Please advise.

    • @HighlineGuitars
      @HighlineGuitars  Год назад

      Please clarify what advice you need.

    • @ukguitaryogi2888
      @ukguitaryogi2888 Год назад

      I routed it further today, the pocket now sits at 17.50mm deep and is square with the neck when it seats in the body pocket also sits with no rocking.
      After inspecting the neck heel dimensons with digital callipers.. I have found that the thickness has a neck up bow angle built in on the back of the neck heel... there is 0.50mm difference between the necks heel thickness being thicker towards the tuner side of neck heel.
      fretboard is a 10 inch radius and is sitting 12.2mm from the body with no pickguard not including the height of the frets. To me it just looks quite high.. I am not sure whether I should try to shave that 0.5mm away from the neck heel and get rid of that up bow angle(despite this the straight edge from frets to saddles make good contact at 30% or so saddle height) it or just leave it and wait and see how it plays once assembled. With the pickguard on it gives a 7.8mm height from fingerboard wood to pickguard top.
      Thanks please advise

    • @HighlineGuitars
      @HighlineGuitars  Год назад

      @@ukguitaryogi2888 The only advice I can offer is you need to fix the heel. It needs to be a consistent thickness.

    • @ukguitaryogi2888
      @ukguitaryogi2888 Год назад

      @@HighlineGuitars thanks, I came to that conclusion, thanks for clarification

    • @ukguitaryogi2888
      @ukguitaryogi2888 Год назад

      @@HighlineGuitars wana thank you... I corrected the neck heel angle to zero or dead flat by hand and it sits better. that seemed to fix it. thanks for helping us all when ever we ask questions and making the lesson videos.. thanks alot

  • @MixingGBP
    @MixingGBP 3 года назад +1

    So I follow your math, but how did you determine the thickness of the neck heel to begin with?

  • @gunsofsteele
    @gunsofsteele 11 месяцев назад +1

    I wanted to like your video, Chris, but you have 666 likes and I ain't touching that!!! 👹
    Thanks for the lesson!

  • @omniscienteye8880
    @omniscienteye8880 2 года назад +1

    Is it okay to be a little deeper, a 32nd off?

    • @HighlineGuitars
      @HighlineGuitars  2 года назад +1

      As long as the bridge height can be adjusted to accommodate.

    • @omniscienteye8880
      @omniscienteye8880 2 года назад

      @@HighlineGuitars thank you, Chris! Always appreciate your help and your videos

  • @richardronan7184
    @richardronan7184 3 года назад

    Can you give any advice on neck angle for set neck guitars. I bought a kit..a pricey one, and the neck heel frets are touching the strings. I have the bridge jacked just to get rid of buzz. The info i have at the moment is that the distance from the bottom of fretboard where it overhangs is .250" from top of the body. Its a LP Jr. Set neck build. Thank you.

  • @thijs199
    @thijs199 3 года назад +1

    I've watched an other method where he would allign the neck with the centerline and then with rulers would measure the height, I would find this a better way than measuring with calipers. It's more accurate, maybe not that necessary with this style of bridge though

  • @pugdealer82
    @pugdealer82 3 года назад

    ...is your love!

  • @philwhitmarsh7746
    @philwhitmarsh7746 3 года назад

    How thick is this body? Maybe it’s the camera angle, but it appears to be thicker than “normal.” Thanks!

    • @HighlineGuitars
      @HighlineGuitars  3 года назад +2

      What's normal? LOL.

    • @philwhitmarsh7746
      @philwhitmarsh7746 3 года назад

      @@HighlineGuitars Was guessing 1.75", chief. :)

    • @HighlineGuitars
      @HighlineGuitars  3 года назад +1

      @@philwhitmarsh7746 it’s 1.9” or a bit less than a Les Paul and a bit more than a Stratocaster.

  • @qua7771
    @qua7771 3 года назад +1

    In a perfect world, the top of the guitar body would stay flat. With a single slab, it will most likely move somewhat.

  • @billpholde4816
    @billpholde4816 2 года назад +3

    "The formula I use for determining the depth of the neck pocket is pretty simple. I take the overall thickness of my neck heel - including the fret wire, then I measure the distance between the top of the guitar body and bottom of the string where it meets the bridge saddle, then I subtract it from the vertices of the third moon of Jupiter."
    Tele poccket is 5/8" deep. Time to rock!

  • @ABHIJITH__FF
    @ABHIJITH__FF 3 года назад

    Why does this not work with low profile tremolos?

    • @HighlineGuitars
      @HighlineGuitars  3 года назад

      Who said it doesn't?

    • @ABHIJITH__FF
      @ABHIJITH__FF 3 года назад

      @@HighlineGuitars you mentioned that tremolos require some geometrical calculations apart from this

    • @HighlineGuitars
      @HighlineGuitars  3 года назад +1

      That’s not saying it doesn’t work.

    • @ABHIJITH__FF
      @ABHIJITH__FF 3 года назад

      @@HighlineGuitars thank you very much 😊

  • @tarsiousmunalembohol
    @tarsiousmunalembohol 3 года назад +1

    Off topic. How thick that body is?

    • @HighlineGuitars
      @HighlineGuitars  3 года назад

      It is 1.9" thick. Between a Les Paul and a Stratocaster.

  • @JohnAdams-xc5yk
    @JohnAdams-xc5yk 2 года назад

    Shade tree guitars