This was THE Mashup review I was waiting for, and it did not disappoint! I love this format! And you were absolutely ripping! Very helpful to know how it worked in the various conditions you took it out in. So stoked on this video, thanks so much! 🤙🏼
Great review bro. I had two seasides. Great boards and kept the wool one. Picked up the mashup yesterday and taking it out tomorrow. Bought it for the exact reasons you said it excels. Love the footage and your breakdown. I’m about the same level in ability and a couple years younger. Bought the 5’10” 35.8L and I’m 6’2” 220lbs
excellent review good to hear an unbiased opinion , as most reviews show ex pros saying how good the board is but most people are"nt pro level surfers, interesting the rocker you was saying with the flat sections ,board looked very fast from take off, also looked good for tube riding with plenty of speed , keep up the good work and the new format was good too.
you always do great content. Real reviews, heaps of detailed feedback, and honest opinions. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience. I like the format
has of right now, I they are about the same. bigger than 5' would be Glazer. Smaller then 3 the Mashup. But the 4 and 5 mark, about the same. The think the glazer is a tad better in steeper faster waves where the wave gives you speed and the mashup wins where the waves is soft and you need to generate the speed.
I have been looking at the mashup in volcanic lately but then found a glazer on line and I had a glazer a couple years ago and have to say it was magic, it worked for me in almost every condition and I am thinking about grabing that board instead. It's just a bummer that the glazer is discontinued, do you have an opinon? I would say I am an upper intermediate lower level advanced surfer. Surf River Jetties 99% of the time, I'll also head to oceanside when its firing.@@ThomyeSurfs
Have to be honest, this is some of the best surfing I've seen you do in these conditions. Not often is it noticable like this when a baord really elevates your game. I was okay not having the mashup but after seeing this video I miiiight reconsider haha. Great review as always Thomye. Love your vids!
hi thomas!! I currently have a SWEET POTATO 5.6 and SEASIDE 5.9... I saw that the sweet potato, despite being smaller, starts first..... I currently weigh 79/80 kg and am 1.83 m tall I wanted to ask you what size of MUSH UP you recommend... ❤❤Thank you very much in advance for everything... a hug
Love the video! I have a Seaside, probably ride it one size too big. On the 5’11”, but should be on the 5’10”. I’m thinking about the Mashup and you nailed it. I’m gonna size it down and get 6’0” at 38 L to get the added performance. Your videos are great, I try to watch them all!
Thanks brotha, means a lot. I think you will love the mashup. My buddy who surfs way better than me just picked one up cuz he saw how much better it was making me surf. Lol. He loves it too.
best way to look at it, and I wish I had used these words in my video is this: Seaside and Mashup are equal in the size of waves they can handle. Seaside is more user friendly all around and in fact more user friendly in better shaped waves but not by much. we are talking fractions. Mashup is a better performer in in smaller softer waves because it is more agile. Because it is narrow, it is easier to tick tack and push around. If you are someone like Kevin Scholz, you are able to maximize the performance. but if someone is an intermediate, the seaside is the better option, just for ease of use. BTW, really appreciate you supporting the channel. That is really awesome of you.
Hey Thomye !! Great video.. I’ve got the 5’7 Seaside and the 5’7 Mashup. Can decide which I like better!! I also picked up the Sweet Potato in the 5’4. The Sweet Potato catches everything.. literally barely have to paddle. Love to meet you at Bolsa and let you try it!! Keep up the great videos Thomye. 🤙🏼
You got quite the quiver. :) Been super busy with my 9 to 5 which lately has been 6am to 9pm. Hoping to get out more during June after this all settles down. Might take you up on it. Maybe I'll get a mid year bonus and I can get the 5'2 Sweet P. Then we can trade off, see how it feels in different sizes. hit me up in June.
Great review, thank you. It seems that the mashup is your favourite board (for up to head high say) at the moment? I've got a Seaside in 5'8" (35.4L) that I love and have used for 2 years, but I definitely think I oversized it slightly. Recently bought a Mashup in 5'8" (33.7L), to give that bit more performance in general beach break stuff, and at the wave pool (my local). Only tried it 3 times at the pool so far, but it seems perfect for that. Definitely doesn't paddle quite as well (2 inches narrower and more nose rocker), neither does it project laterally or flow so much. But it handles steeper takeoffs better, still catches waves fairly easily, and is substantially better top to bottom. It certainly feels more progressive. Really liking it so far.
Good review thanks. You are right on the wave range. I have a lot of trouble with it when overhead and hollow. Feel way better when I switch to a more conventional shortboard in those situations. I think the sweet spot is waist to head high on this board and I have the new Sweet Potato which slots in very nice just below it.
Can't wait to try that SP2. That thing looks like a hog. :) I already have the Twice Baked but my only complaint about the TB is that it is heavy. Maybe better for choppy days. The SP2 looks like it would be amazing in clean Micro waves. Not sure where you surf but some place like Doheny. Dang, just thinking about the possibility is making me froth. haha
Such and honest Review brother! Thanks so much. I got the 6'6" and I love it. I don't know what I'm doing out there but it feels pretty good. All this from a total kook like me. I'm 181 cm 95 kgs 49 years old, and all my joints hurts constantly but this board seems to help a little bit my surfing 👍🏻 Much love, joy and stoke to everyone in your channel ❤ 🙏🏼🏄🏼♂️🌊
LOL, my joints hurt too, especially when I take a break from surfing. I think surfing keeps them loose, so make sure you don't stop. :) I've found the perfect number of sessions for my body to be 3 to 4 times a week but lately with work, I can't seem to get out there that 3rd session so every Sunday after that Saturday session, I am sore and in pain. LOL when are they coming out with the anti aging pill. :)
@@ThomyeSurfs 💯brother! It's winter here in Australia 🇦🇺 Freezing as hell, joint are so stiff but the Mashup help quite a bit my surfing. What kind of fins would you recommend? I got futures F8 Neutral at the moment....I feel the board has a little bit more to give, it could be me 😆 Cheers legend! Great Channel 👌🏼
@@migsy3302 I have been running Naked Viking Dan Manns and they are great for smaller softer waves; these are very large fins. But what worked well for me on a slightly bigger day was Medium Toledos. I would put them in the balanced category I think. Maybe between balanced and raked. I have not tried too many fin options so still no jury decision on that yet. I plan to do a follow up video about the fins soon though. Been working too many hours so no time. didn't get to surf this weekend at all. :(
nice review. I have a friend which just sold the Mashup. He told me the nose was catching up a olot when the waves were a bit more hollow, even in small waves
i can totally see that. There is one day that I surfed in the footage at HB and although I did ok, I babied every turn. It never felt right but in softer conditions like the small days I had on film, man does that thing go.
Absolutely loving this board and it's certainly my preferred daily driver now! Works way better in bigger conditions than Firewire have marketed it as! 🤙
@@MensGroup to be honest i enjoy the speed of quad so i'm pretty used to it. Using the Rasta quads on it now and goes really well :) Thruster setup will slow it down a bit though
Great review. I literally just waxed mine up. I weigh about 175LB with my suit on and I actually got the 5'10" with almost 36L. It's probably got too much foam but I wanted a groveler and something that I can paddle around quick. Thanks for the down to earth review.
@@cwr8618 i think i could have sized down to a 5'9" but its good. I also thought it would be better in shitty waves. I think it flies at 3-4'. But 1-3 it takes a bit to get it going.
You looked like you were loving it! You sounded like you were loving it! Looked like you had some fun waves to get it dialed in on! Great review!!! Already sent or shared with everyone that I know who’s frothing over it. Was curious as to what fin’s you used & what you felt worked best. I ordered the Sweet Potato & my buddy ordered the Mashup… Both board’s won’t be here for roughly 4 months. Can’t wait tho!
that wait time is so painful. as for fins, I used large tri, medium quads, and small tri. Because I was picking fins based on the size of waves and conditions, I feel like they all worked really well. the Large Tri's were for smaller punchy or medium soft. The quads i used for micro soft and bigger punchy and the medium tri i used for bigger punchy. The day i thought the waves were perfect, i was using the Medium Toledo thruster. it went so well. Felt very natural. I will try and do another vid where I compare fins. I need less expensive content. haha
@@ThomyeSurfs Ours are taking longer, because we ordered them in color, so tired of the FireWire’s yellowing. I know you know what I’m talking about. From some of your older video’s… Your Go Surf & that board you dug out for your daughter. I have a board room in my house… Have my board’s bagged up in A/C & they only see the light of day when I surf on them & they still yellow. So, any Firewire I get from here on out, I’m just gonna order them with color. Saves me having to paint them later. Thanks for hitting me back about the fin’s! Good stuff! 💪👊
I need to try this board more as a groveler but I agree with everything you said based on my sessions riding it in fair to good head high plus waves. I don't feel it's a great daily driver, I'd still choose the Dom 2. Especially you mentioned 'dont size up the mashup'. One of my biggest issues with the board so far is the stiffness; I have a dominator 2 that's 5'7 and 2 3/8 and the 5'6 mashup that's 2 and 9/16; this extra 3/16 in thickness inhibits the flex IMO. The stiffness and low rocker does produce a lot of down the line speed, projection, and gets you through the flat transitions but it's not ideal in shoulder to head high or plus waves.
exactly. you have the perfect comparison too, a dom2 that is 1 to 2 inches bigger. I think I should have tested the dom2 in a 5'5 or 5'6. Also, "stiffness" is a great single word explanation for that I was trying to say. I think I was trying too hard to describe what I was feeling. haha thanks for the help on that. :)
Great review mate... did I miss it - the fin system(s) you tried? The board looks great under your feet! That was greatly encouraging...I have one coming in a couple of weeks - very excited now 😀. I bought a Dom2 six months ago and have been loving it so much that the usual excitement for a new board wasn't there but your review has changed that 👍
Fins, tried the Fanning large on some of the 3+ foot days where it was soft. I needed more drive on those days. On the punchier days, I ran Naked Viking medium quads as well as the Toledo thrusters. I liked it equally on both. I need to try and figure out where the difference comes in. On other boards it seemed more apparent but the Mashup sort of blended the fins so I have not concluded that yet. That might be a cheap video to do next. :)
I have only surfed it once last week in less than optimal conditions, 3-4 walled and wind blown. It was a lot skatier than I expected. That might be due to the helium construction, this is my first epoxy type board. I plan to get out a few more time this week in hopefully in cleaner surf.
Great review! I watched Noel Salas' review of the Mash-Up and your review was very helpful as a "more normal" surfer. I just bought a Mash-Up at 6'0 (I am 6' at 195). Thanks for all the great work on the review.
Fantastic honest review with great perspective. Was considering sizing up the mashup due to volume. I’m 5,10 174 and want this board for smaller days in PR when I surf with 8yr old son. Still concerned about the Vol being low on the 5’7” thoughts ?
this is a little tough question. So, I'm 5'8 and 140 so my 5'4 Mash is a factor of .1975. if you were to get the exact relative board to your weight, it would be 33.875L. Probably a 5'8 or 5'9. If you intention is to grovel, I would stay in this range. If you want highenbd performance along with some grovel, the 57 is a better bet since you don't want to get the board too tall relative to your stance. Anyways, my buddy is about 5'11 and surfs a 6'4. He weighs 200 so he needed the liters but he seems to enjoy his board quite. But he is an advanced surfer. If your goal is to surf with your 8yr old, the waves will likely be small. You want more paddle and float. I think it will catch waves well and surf down the line well as a bigger board but carving might be hindered. It will turn but just have a difficult time carving. Mostly cuz the waves will be smaller.
This sized board seems to have a lot of volume for someone your weight - but here you are ripping it up!. At my age and weight I need more volume so your video has given faith I can size it up and not lose much maneuverability. Cheers.
I noticed that for me, boards with wide point a tad forward but being short in length can be ridden in slightly more volume. Design is super important though. Seaside, mashup, el Tomo fish, all these I ride 27 to 29L. The scifi2 was the only one I tested recently that felt too big.
You are my favorite surfer on the internet. You are my age and a goofy like me and a tick better than me so i am grateful to learn from you. But the waves at sf ob are way more punishing and fickle than socal. So it’s tough to improve but thanks for the content!!! You also help me select future boards. I bought a dominator 2 before i found your reviews but its just ok, i agree with your take. I may buy the mashup or seaside or seaside and beyond next but i don’t know which…. Any thoughts anyone? Ps i have a holy grail and its really excellent in good surf
ocean beach gets big. when you surf that place, how big do you like to surf it and what are the waves mostly like, soft or hollow, on the days you like to surf it. although I don't think you can go wrong with any of the three, it depends on what you are looking for. The seaside to me seems like the best option. The Mashup is really flat rockered. so if you waves are OB are standard to punchy, the curve of the seaside would feel better and be easier. There are a few that said they like the Mashup in bigger waves but I have not found that for myself. quite the opposite. The seaside is a tad more user friendly in better shaped waves.
@@ThomyeSurfs Thanks so much for the reply. I would say its fairly strong beach break like Newport people say and punchy, but I do surf it up to double overhead and it can barrel and be a fast wave. Typically the waves around here in the sf bay area are beach breaks - range from a lot of slop with crumbly faces to clean barrels but the waves usually have power on the takeoff at least. my main issue is dropping in too late so I may be looking for more volume on a seaside and see where it gets me. Here I am on surfline surfcam waves - studio.ruclips.net/user/videooB9qeHrV_Og/edit
I normaly don't like thrusters but it works really well on this board. Having said that, I'm running it as a 2 +1 right now and that has been working really well. I may do a comparison video about the three setups.
Thanks for the review of Mashup. I just received mine and would love to know what you think about the placement of the traction pad! Did you cut it? I feel like my back foot isn't really above the thruster fin (around the middle of the fin). Thanks you so much.
comparing the 5'3 Seasdie 28.2 L to the 5'4 Mashup 27.1L goes something like this: Paddle feels very similar. Nothing I can tell or differentiate. Catching wave - there is a slight advantage for me on the Seaside. The fact that it is 1" wider, it gets to planing speed a fraction quicker. Hard to quantify but take a tad less effort. Having said that, one thing I do notice about the boards I have been surfing lately is that they are narrower, the Mashup is roughly 1" narrower. So digging in is easier. Less stress on shoulders and more power from back. I have to try harder but it does feel better. Hope that makes sense. My Twice baked which is over 21" wide catches waves better but those waves that I have to make an effort for, feel bad on my shoulders since I feel like my arms are off to the side more and not directly under me. In the end, depending on what size board you are comparing, I think generally speaking, paddle is roughly the same while the catch is leans toward seaside. Also, the seaside takes more volume from tail and has it up towards chest.
Super insightful video to stumble upon! I am currently torn between getting a seaside or a rocket wide and was wondering if you had any advice? Im in NZ surfing 2 - 5 feet waves that can vary from mushy to punchy and I need something that can handle both. Im coming from a high volume fish, I liked how easy it was to paddle but wanted a bit more manoeuvrability out of my next board
welcome and BTW I love NZ, cleanest most amazing place I have ever visited. Anyways, if 5' is the max but bulk of the waves are in between 2 and 5, then I would say seaside. if it is bigger and you want the option to surf bigger, then go with the Rocket Wide. Although they have similar outlines, the height the volume ratio is a tad different and so is the rocker. Height to volume - seaside is shorter with more volume while the RW is a tad taller. The ones I have surfed, I think the 5'3 seaside and the 5'6 RW come in around the same volume. Double check that since I'm doing this from memory. I like short boards for grovel and longer boards for better waves. Width - seaside is also wider for the length and volume. that makes it a better groveler. Rocker - RW has more rocker so it tend to handle better waves with more control. Seaside has some and can handle up to about 5' depending on your skill level but it wants to go fast so as the waves get bigger, harder to transfer that speed to rail. Having said that, if you are coming off a fish, that might be perfect. its turns better at slower speeds but can get going. Construction - the Seaside is in Helium construction. this is my favorite construction. It is light weight but super durable. I hardly ever get pressure dings. If you want a board to last, this is also the better call. Recapping, the only reason I would go with an RW at this point would be the option to surf bigger waves. or surf the smaller stuff with more performance. The performance though could go either way, that depends on how big of a board you get. past a certain point, the shorter boards tend to perform better. Hope this helps. Cheer
Hi Thomyesurfs, great content as always!! I thinking to get the mashup but I don’t know what size the 5’4” at 27.1 or 5’5” 28.7 , I usually ride 29L to 30L , what would you recommend?? I'm 5'10 and 156lbs
Sorry for the late response, i think I responded to this but never sent it. :( I'm 5'8 145 usually. right now i'm 140. I bought the 5'4 cuz at the time of purchase, I was 132 but starting to gain my weight back. mathematically speaking, I think you should do the 5'5. the height and weight different proportionately puts you on the 5'5 relative to me. that's without knowing anything else: your waves, your skills, etc.
for me it's been this odd learning experience. Seaside is super user friendly. El Tomo feels a little stiff at times on my forehand but is the best backside board I have ridden. but is only good from 2' to 4' backhand. Any bigger and I seem to struggle. Also the stiffness might be a sizing issue. I'm on the 5'6 and I think the 5'5 or even the 5'4 would have been a better fit. Mashup, works well on both frontside and backside for me, but in the smaller waves, about waist high, I'm abe to get so much more speed that I feel like I'm able to whip it around and practice things I can't usually practice unless it's shoulder high. If I only surfed somewhere like Lowers, I might not ever pick the Mashup as my daily but that may also be true for the other two boards. I will say though, for Bolsa, it has become my daily and if I'm not filming, it is what I take out.
no, I have not tried the EVO yet. Not sure i'll get the chance. The Mashup is the fastest that "I" have ever ridden but with the NVS fins. I'm certain there are faster, likely a few twin's out there are going to be faster. Hard to qualify without a Trace or some sort of app. I used to have one, not sure it still works. might have to test it. The fastest I have ever clocked on Trace was 27mph. big day at San on on my 5'1 Baked Potato. Likely it was a drop to bottom turn or a floater to bottom turn. but 27mph is fast given my average speed was around 16. Anyways, hoping to try the evo someday but only if I get lucky with my size. everyone that has one loves there and has been asking me to get one. fingers crossed. :) BTW, what do you think about the Revo since you have had the EVO?
How would you compare it with the Sharpeye modern 2? Thought it almost became your fav board last year? (Great explanation about the wave size chart, thanks!)
without looking it up, my M2 is 5'6 29L. The Mashup is 5'4 27.1. Catching waves and paddling goes to the M2, but only by a very slight margin. because that 2L diff is up in a fatter nose and not concentrated in the chest. Also the M2 is wider so planes quicker. In smaller waves, soft to standard, the Mashup is more nimble. In standard to punchier waves, the M2 is easier to control and I had more confidence. I think it was the rolled bottom of the M2 and likely more tail rocker although I would have do measure to know for sure. The Mashup is faster, much faster. Somewhere like Trestles and Newport, I would likely go with the M2.for anything bigger than 3'. Any softer and smaller, I'll pick Mashup. I will do a comparison video for sure. Side by side.
I have the modern 2.5 in 5.4 (I’m 145 lbs) and love it. Worked great at a point similar to trestles for waist to several feet overhead waves. Paddles in great and was doing some of my best turns on it.
Overall performance and the small waves i surf, I like the Mashup best. The only place I like the ET better is backside. it is still the easiest backside board for me, not sure why really. maybe the wider tail and that cut angle. Anyways, the Mashup is fast and I seem to be able to control the speed better. Possible that a smaller El tomo might be more comparable, like a 5'5 ET.
Hard for me to compare the two mostly because I surfed the Sunday at a volume range way beyond the Mashup. I have the 6' and 6'8 Sunday which are uber uber grovelers to me. They had fun aspects of performance but weren't really performance. I was able to do turn but you can tell there was some reservations in completing them. Having said that, if I had surfed the 5'6 Sunday, I might have been able to compare them. To me they are too different in design to compare. But no matter what, they are both fun and amazing boards.
I think I wouldn't put them in the same bucket to be honest. I have footage on Instagram where i'm surfing the M2 on 1+ ft overhead wave that I am certain the mashup would struggle on. On the smaller stuff, the M2 is a tad better at groveling because of the extra volume and width but the Mashup performs better on the knee to chest high. The M2 does better on Chest high to 2+ overhead. rough estimate but hopefully you get my point.
Thanks Thomye and your observations are very insightful. Also, it is fun to note that I formerly owned a seaside and changed it to a M2, amongst other things because of your and Salas' feedback. So far, I'm enjoying it very much! Cheers
Thanks for the great content Thomey! What board would you suggest for me between the sweet potato and seaside? I’m 6’4” and 200lbs low level intermediate. Any suggestions in size also? Appreciate your time!
6'4 @200 seems like a fit 200 so I have to guess you paddle well. I'm 5'8 @ 140. My grovel ratio is .2 and my uber grovel ratio is .221 or there about. Bascially I surf my seasdie at .2 per lbs and my sweet potato at around .221. If you wanted to surf a seaside at my exact ratio, then it would be .2 x 200. basically 40L which would put you on a 5'10 or 5'11. For the sweepee, that would be 44.42L (.221 X 200), which would be the 5'10 @45L. the liters I mentioned are strictly mathematical. taking other things into consideration is super important. Skill level surfing, skill level paddling, the type of waves you often surf, etc. But from the Liters mentioned above, you should be able to get an idea. If you are coming off a super long boaty board, then compromise by adding .02 to .04 to the liter ratio. Anyways, at the surfing level you mentioned, I would consider a 6' or 6'1 Seaside. that boards is just easy to surf. For the sweepee, you can either go 6'2 to make it a wave catching machine. but it will be harder to turn and won't be as smooth. I found it to be a great uber groveler but clunky for maneuvers but it also depends on the degree and type of maneuvers. I was having fun doing floaters and soft turns. hope this wasn't too confusing.
Great to see someone in my age group surfing well! Am thinking of getting a Mashup. Am at a similar (slightly lower) skill level to yourself and trying to choose a size. At 155lbs I'm thinking of getting a 5'5, which is slightly higher volume than my regular shortboard. What do you reckon? This or an extra liter?
I weigh 145 and the 5'4 seems to work well for me. I have not had a situation where I thought I wanted more foam. I have had instances where I thought I wanted a different board with more volume. I think the 5'5 is good. If you are about my height, then either. If you are taller, you could go taller. I would not recommend getting this board too out of proportion. meaning if you are 5'8, same as me, then then something like a 5'7 might be too tall. you would be out of the sweet spot in terms of your stance. unless you have a very wide stance.
the mashup seems to feel a tad looser. much more release. it could be the fins i ride on the El Tomo but that board seems much more stable and tight. Tight in a good way not stiff. I feel like the ETF is more drivey and to be honest, that board is still better at backhand for me. I need to get back on it backhand so i don't forget. it was progressing quite a bit, but only small to medium waves.
@@ThomyeSurfs Thanks! I saw your other reply about the ETF as well. I just picked up an ETF and I love how fast it goes and think it turns well on the open face including on bigger waves as long as they aren't too hollow. I agree it is stable and tight feeling but not in a bad way. My only issue is on steep take offs, late drops I can feel the lack of nose and tail rocker, so better for a flatter wave. Seems like there is a lot of overlap with the wave range for the mashup. Keep up the rad reviews!
No, the El Tomo fish has a much wider tail block. Although it seems smaller cuz of the vador swallow, it was still wide and stable. Great drive in softer smaller stuff but not the same pivot. I Mashup feels to me more like a normal performance board. closer to it. Also, the El Tomo seemed a lot bigger than it was. I think I surfed the 5'6 but it felt big. I likely should have ridden the 5'5. The 5'4 Mashup to me feels perfect for my height and weight. There are similar traits in all boards I think, the refinements are hard to pick out but I personally would choose the mashup over the El Tomo for general use (daily driver).
Hi Thomyesurfs. Great content as always!! How would you compare the mashup against the spitfire? Do you feel the performance is similar? I have a spitfire as a daily but I am looking at the mashup, rocket wide or even NB2. Thanks!!!!
this is a hard comparison for me. Because the spitfire and dom both were wide point back, in order for me to like the board, I surfed it at 5'8 which is oversized. that board was 31L. In the mashup, it is wide point forward so I was able to down size it. comparing the 5'4 to the 5'8 isn't really fair, the Mashup mashes the spit. The only thing I can compare that would be fair in dan mann line is the dom2. I had the 5'4 Dom2. But that board was 25.9L which is close enough but because the wide point was back, it felt like a 5'0 to me. with so little control on the dom2, I still feel the mashup had better performance. but this is in smaller waves or softer bigger waves. I would love to try the 5'5 or 5'6 dom2 but can't afford to. maybe i'll come across a used one at some point.
@@ThomyeSurfs thanks for this feedback. Your vid review spoke mostly on the comparison to the Seaside, and almost nothing about the other part of the Mashup, e.g. the Dom 2.0. Don’t know if you still own it, but I saw your reviews on it, and was wondering about your thoughts on which board (mash/dom) would you prefer on certain wave conditions. Love your channel and review format. And was looking forward to you releasing this review!! Thanks for pumping these vids out in btwn work and family life! 🫶🏼👍🏼🫰🏼🤙🏼
@@rjcplus9 so originally, i thought the mashup fit between the seaside and spitfire. The spitfire looks more traditional performance but thicker, wider, a tad shorter. Classic groveler. But the Mashup ended up being more on the lower end for me. it has better performance than the seaside (nimble) but wave size and quality, it fit below the Seaside and not in between the two. I think it all has to do with the flatter rocker. it is great for speed but then to do a hard carve, at least for me being so heavy front footed, it didn't do as well as the seaside in bigger or stronger waves. My 5'4 dom2 was just too short for me. the liters were right but the wide point was way too far back and between my legs. with the mushup, the wide point is forward. the transition was natural for me, the board felt right where as the dom2, i felt like i needed to get used to it. For my beach, Mashup and Seaside is a good combo although it may appear to be redundant, I think that performance different and speed separates them enough to where it makes sense to have both. For me, the dom2 is just sized wrong. Because of the shape, i would like the outline of a 5'8 but then the volume goes into the super groveler range. so it was harder for me to compare. i'm glad that firewire has their demo days again. wish they would come back to hungtington, I missed the first one. :(
Hi Tommy 👋 love your videos ! I’m an intermediate level, I already have the mashup 5.7 31L and sci fi 2.0 29L. I want a board who is able to go in mushy condition a low power wave as we can find in summer. I struggle between the sunday 5.9 34L or 6.0 38L and the seaside 5.5 31.5L or 5.6 32.5L. What’s your precious recommandations? It’s look sunday is more to be a mid length than a groveler no ?
I like variety as much as I want specifics. you already have two boards in the rough 30L range. Although I love the seaside, it might be best for you to get the 6'0 Sunday. That would put enough liters above your other boards to make a difference. I would also recommend getting rid of one of the two, mashup or scifi and getting a seaside. I think your quiver would be perfect if you had the 5'7 Mashup, 5'6 Seaside, and the 6'0 Sunday. then you would be covered from 31L to 38L. Watch my 6'0 Sunday video, the very first one I did. as a twin, the board still has really good elements of performance. And then, if you have instagram, watch the recent sunday video on super small waves. Having said that, make sure you consider our differences. I'm 5'8 140lbs. I have the 5'3 Seaside, 5'4 Mashup, 5'7 SciFi (which is too big for me), and the 6' Sunday. I don't really ride the 6'8 Sunday, I gave it to my little brother, who is bigger than I am by 20lbs. I love that board too but I wouldn't ride it enough to get any use out of it.
@@medphysio3746 the seaside will more than do the job but just not as well for groveling as a 60 sunday. Because the seaside you are looking at is virtually the same volume as your other two boards.6 liter difference is a lot.
I am exactly that one that is transitioning to a shortboard and thinking on getting the seaside, yet doubting which size I should get. I am 155 pounds all suit up. I think 35 to 37 liter should be fine, what are our thoughts? Thanks
The great thing about the seaside is that the board is so user friendly, I'm able to surf it from my 5'2 24L to my buddy's 5'7. I have had some good turns on the big one, even better and more controllable than my Twice Baked. At your weight and stage, yes, that sounds about right and the width will help with stability and catching waves. as you get better, all you will need to learn is transitioning more of your weight to the back. After that, sizing down depending on how fast you are progressing. :)
Hi Thom! Between the mashup and the bobby quad? which one is easier to catch waves, especially in small waves? Where I surf is really small but the problem is that the waves are very fast sometimes, I feel if I can stand up early it would be better to improve the maneuvers. What do you recommend? Thanks for all your videos!
they are super similar for catching waves but only if you are comparing the Mashup to the EPS version of the BQ. I have the 5'4 Mashup which is Helium, that board is super light and buoyant. If you compare that to the PU BQ, the Mashup hands down will paddle and catch waves better. But if you get the EPS version of the BQ (spine-tek), they are too close to actually compare. but for me, actualy surfing, I like my Mashup in smaller waves because I can set it up as a 2+1. The BQ, obviously is quad only. I guess you could try putting in big front fins and smaller rear fins. The 2+1 allow me to get much quicker speed and also top end speed.
Great review and Surfing! Can you compare this board to a stock 5'5 Album Twinsman on these same waves? I bet 99% of subscribers would love to see these 2 boards compared. Thanks!
You are right about people want to know that but I have never surfed a Twinsman. I am waiting for one to show up in my size on sale. Varial had a few but nothing in my price range. Soon I hope. I have heard nothing but good things.
@@ThomyeSurfs Yea they are so expensive that is why I want to see a review from a great unbiased reviewer like you on real everyday beach breaks! Cheers
Other Million dollar question: Have you tried the Lost RNF 96 (epoxy) by any chance? . It's a similar outline and volume. (My favorite board at the moment! ). If you did I would love to know what you think of it compared to the Mashup. Keep the reviews coming \o/
I have not tried it but I too noticed the similarity. I'm really curious because the only real major different would be the Front fin placement. The RNF96 to me looks like it is set up to be a twin+trailer, the front fins being a tad back while the Mashup is a standard thruster layup. I am hoping to still get on one, I am just waiting for someone loan me one, LOL.
@@ThomyeSurfs Thanks for responding! (I understand you have thousands of comments). I am not in the US so I can’t lend it unfortunately 😀. Yep it’s definitely a twin and adding the trailer when it gets more punchy gives it the feel of a thruster bit looser. I have yet to try it as a pure thruster but I’d wait for overhead conditions for that. I have basically binged on all your videos lately, fantastic content, this is really helpful for everyday intermediates looking to dial in their equipment, keep up the amazing work 💯
Mashup looks so sweet for smaller conditions, you are ripping fast on that thing! Ever compare it to the Lost RNF96 or the CI Pod Mod? they all seem fairly similar in outline. I'm currently looking for a good board for variable wave days that has a huge range, but stills grovels reasonably well.
I have not had a chance to review or surf the RNF96. I did in one of my post point out how similar the RNF96 and the Mashup looked in outline. Having said that, I just spoke with a guy in the water today that has both and they said they are similar but the RNF96 performs a tad better. Likely cuz of the rocker. I'm guessing he also meant then, that the Mashup grovels a tad better.
Regarding the PodMod, i do own one, I totally forgot. But it is bigger so comparing them i will say my podmod goes better in softer waves but the mashup is better in every other way.
@@ThomyeSurfs Had a chance to compare the rnf96, mashup and podmod today. So similar, rnf96 seemed to have a bit more tail and nose rocker but rails and tail seemed fuller. Mashup widepoint seems a little further back and rails are thinner, tail is def thinner, seems to have a fairly flat spot under the feet, RNF seems to have a bit more curve in the belly. Pod mod rails seem the thickest and rocker is lower like the mashup, but still seems to have slightly more curve in the belly than the mashup. I guess that all adds up to the mashup being so good in smaller conditions? How do you like your 5'4 for size\volume?
@@Surf_Salt 5'4 Mashup is one of my favorite boards. I was so afraid they might retire it, like the baked potato, I bought a backup. :) I bought it in gray since it would sit for years and I didn't want it to go yellow. I could easily go with a 5'6 for easier cruiser days but then I wouldn't have variety. So to answer your question, it's perfect for me.
What fin set up are you using most? I put the mashup into some 6 foot slopey waves with a quad and it felt so sticky, almost like the opposite of how it rides when its smaller. 2+1 is a bit too loose and not enough drive. Haven't tried quad keels but that seems to be the most common so far.
the sticky might actually be an product of the bottom. it begin so flat, it is fast and too hard to transition into rail, at least in bigger more punchier waves. the last two times I have surfed, I have been riding it has a 2 +1 in small waves and it has been amazing. I just dont' think this board works well in waves bigger than 3 to 5. I won't really know till I get it out in those conditions but the few times I have been on the bigger set waves, I have struggled with turns.
they are nothing alike. The mashup to me feels more like a traditional performance board with grovel features like a flatter rocker, slightly wider, thicker in the middle. Making it a great performance board in small waves. The fishbeard is much stiffer or tighter which I do like in certain conditions. It is super drivey and fast but not as skatey. I think in the beachbreaks, I like the mashup. I would likely prefer the fishbeard on a longer point break like church if church were a left and not a right. Also, I would like the fishbeard at San O point. Newport, HB, and bolsa, I want something that has immediate get up and go which the mashup does well. Fishbeard has longer drawn out turns while the mashup is snappy and pivoty.
@@ThomyeSurfs thank you so much for your answer, been surfing the fishbeard for a year and a half and love it. I live in Portugal, my home town surf break is a point break but i do surf beach breaks a lot of times. The thing here is that my fishbeard is a 5`5 ( 25 liters) and the 5`4 mash up is 27 wich can be a bit more than i am used too but anyway, thank you for your great reviews.
Hi, thank you very much for your work. Did you ever tried the sub xero (by JS) ? i am between the mashup and the sub xero and cant decide what to buy... can you help me with that?
I've never tried the sub xero. but looking at it, they look super similar. I tried to overlay them to get a sense of their rocker and that too seems almost identical. But hard to really say since the images I used may have been different size boards. The only thing I can really speak to with confidence is materials. The Helium is super durable. Hard to get pressure dents. I'd imagine they are about the same weight if you are looking at the Hyfi sub xero. Cost and availability might be what you may have to based your decision on. I do love my mashup though. Sorry I can't be of more help.
@@mukundahubmann5097 Just an FYI, I did some measurements from images found online, to the best that I could, it appears the Sub Xero has a fraction more rocker than the mashup. it could be about 1/8" to almost a 1/4" on the tail. given this, I would say if your waves are steeper, the sub xero for sure. if they are softer, then go mashup.
thanks for your input. currently have 3 boards in my quiver now - seaside, dominator 2, and a flat earth. my go to is the dominator 2, where i bring out the flat earth on larger slopey days, and the seaside on the small stuff. at first i loved the seaside - but as time went on and using both the flat earth and dominator 2 - i want something more maneuverable for smaller days - so i think i am going to clean off my seaside - and put it up for sale and stick the mashup in its place. also i notice you mention other review sites like Noels, and such - another good one is wooly tv on youtube - check him out
Hi Thomye, great content! I think your review helps me a lot! I am thinking to buy the mashup and I am 5'9‘ 170lbf. intermediate surfer at SD with mushy wave, learning to do top turn. can I get some suggestion for the board volume? or do you think there's a better board than mashup? thank you!
do you consider yourself good at catching waves? in terms of positioning to catch a wave and then also catching the wave? a lot of times, you want volume for paddling around and positioning. In terms of volume, me at 145, I surf the Mashup at 27.1L. if we did the mathematical conversion to your weight, that would put you at 31.77L. However, I consider myself to be a low level advanced surfer and likely a high intermediate paddler. If you are fit and good at catching waves, you can challenge your self at do the 5'7 Mashup. 5'8 is likely a good option and safe. But 5'9 would be best if you aren't fit or not great at positioning and timing. It's hard for me to make an exact recommendation but can give you suggestions. lastly, regarding other boards. just look at boards that would put you in and around 33L to 35L (on the higher end for PU boards), and make sure it isn't longer than 5'9. 5'9 and under at that volume will insure that the board is wide enough to be a decent groveler. Some similar boards would be the Lost RNF96 which looks super similar to the Mashup in terms of outline. another good tip/rule of thumb is that if you do want more volume, try and get more of a groveler board that is shorter/wider. for instance, if you wanted to be really safe and get 35L, on a Mashup, that would be a 5'10. The longer the board, the more it takes to turn and move it around. so, in order to compensate for the increased volume, rather than a Mashup, go with a Seaside. the Seaside at 5'8 is 35L. decreasing the length by 2" does help with swing weight and pivoting making it slightly easier to turn. Something I have seen with some of my friends that have the Mashup, most people that ride it at their height an or shorter love it. a few that bought it taller than themselves don't like it, they feel it is hard to turn. Anyways, hope that helps guide you a bit. sorry for the long response.
@@ThomyeSurfs thank you so so much for your detailed reply! I am actually borrowing my friends 5'8 mashup now and I feel I am a comfortable with positioning and paddling but I can't get into the wave early enough to capitalize the speed from the drop, especially when the wave is mushy, which is most time in north SD. so I think you are right 5'9 might be a better choice. and I actually had a seaside and I loved it but wanted to improve my surfing to go top to bottom so I sold it. What's your thoughts on an oversized more performance shape? let's say a 36 or 37L inferno 72. Would that be easier or harder to turn.? will longer length help me to get into the wave early? since the longer tail got picked up sooner? thanks again for your reply! btw, do you do any coaching or video analysis? :)
@@tanneddude8330 longer boards do help with early entry, lift as well as the volume that is built into longer boards. a board like the 72 also has enough tail rocker to turn easy but only off the tail. longer boards have larger swing weight but in the case of the 72, it won't be too bad. since it is a performance board with a narrow and pointy nose. I would say that also, if you do get a performance board, it does help that it is eps or something lighter than PU especially in softer conditions. having said that though, a 72 at 36/37 liters would be 6'4 and 20.62" wide. although that isn't that long, it depends on how tall you are. I'm 5'8 and used to surf 6'4's long ago. having said that, have you looked at the dom2? a 36L dom2 would be 6'1. several benefits to this 1) it's shorter 2) slightly wider = better grovel 3) less swing weight 4) wide point is moved back on top of it will naturally be further back since it is shorter than a 6'4 Inferno 72. the dom2 surfs shorter by about 1.5 to 2 inches. so it will feel like a 5'11. Just a thought. my all time favorite board is my Sharpeye inferno FT so far. i like it a tad more than the mashup. Mashup is a very close 2nd. so i'm not trying to steer you away from the inferno 72, but to me, I think in the liters you are looking to get, you might be better off on the dom2. Just another option. didn't mean to confuse the situation.
@@tanneddude8330 oh, almost forgot. I don't officially coach. Haven't really thought about it since my full time job and making youtube videos take up so much of my time. hard to add much more. but if you send me one clip with a specific intent, I can advise.
@@ThomyeSurfs great thanks Thomye again for the detailed reply! I did consider dominator 2 but the reviews for that is really mixed so I didnt really consider VS mashup and 72 are almost all positive review haha. but firewire has a board trial program at carlsbad so I might reach out! another thought of 72 is ever since Im surfing ive mostly been on firewires board (seaside and now mashup, both the wider shorter kinda board..) so I kinda want to try the some more traditional/longer shape...how can I send you clips Thomye? I followed you on inst, can I send there？ definitely appreciate all the help youve been giving me!!!
Im looking at a mashup! (6'0) However im riding a 5'8 sweet potato 2. How do you think these would go as a 2 board quiver for every day waves? Is it worth having both? TIA 🙏
I think that's a great 2 board combo. They are going to be very different too because of the width. You have the SP2 for waves that are smaller than waist high, soft, and/or crappy. If it gets a tad better from knee to chest high, the Mashup is perfect. Neither are going to be good though if it gets super punchy over chest high. You'll need to look into the Mid6 for that. LOL Disclaimer, I'm not the best person to talk to if you are trying to avoid buying a board. LOL. I'm the guy that will talk you into 2 boards when you are trying to buy 1. haha Cheers brotha.
Thanks Thomye. I'm in my late 50s and lifetime shortboarder. I now need something to get me into small waves the easiest, not so concerned about high performance. Would you say the Sunday or Seaside or Mashup is the best with that goal?
Sunday is basically a twin pin. on the shorter side, it is like a pudgy hypto krypto. On the bigger end, more of a cruiser but still pivots well. The Seaside is user friendly at almost any size. I surfed everything from the 5'2 all the way up to the 5'10. obviously the bigger you go the less maneuverable but still pretty loose and surprising. The mashup is good for better performance in the smaller waves or softer bigger waves but not as much performance as one would think. it has less tail rocker than the seaside so not as carvey. hard to describe. Seaside is the safest bet and one that a person would want in the quiver. you should also never let go of a performance board the seaside is a staple.
@@mmcbride1 my last sentence didn't make sense. I meant to say, Seaside should always be in your quiver and although you should have a performance board in there as well, a performance board can be swapped out. At least until you hone in on your favorite. Mine so far is the Sharpeye FT so I'll likely keep that. I'm not very good at selling old boards so my collection keeps getting bigger and bigger. :( Running out of Garage space.
@@ThomyeSurfs Same, board collection is getting big, don't typically sell. However the Board Source bought my baked potato and I, in turn, bought a 5'10" Seaside. It's exactly the board I've been looking for. Took it out today, 3rd session on it, at Trestles and it's a gem. First session found I was over paddling. Once that was fixed I fell in love. Easy entry and surprising maneuverability. Thanks so much for the advice. This is the one for these tired old arms.
I have a seaside 5’3” at 28.2 L and i always feel like a 5’4” would surf better , bigger side but more liters could be a problem, and I thinking to get the mashup but I don’t know what size the 5’4” at 27.1 or 5’5” 28.7 , I usually ride 28L to 29L , what would you recommend??
i'm on the 5'3 seaside too. it is likely bigger than what i should ride but I also wanted it for surfing smaller waves. by smaller, i mean even smaller and softer than what it was designed for. The thing with the seaside is, because of it's design, it is deceptive. I feel like most other boards if it were that wide and that many liters, I would struggle. The seaside is so user friendly it also makes me think i need something bigger. as reference though, most of my other boards in that liter range are all 5'6 or 5'7. the 5'4 Mashup to me even though it is only 1" longer, and the 1" is just a pointy nose, so basically the board is actually shorter if you compare the meaty parts. you do lose 1L and 1" width so it won't plane as quickly or as easily, but it is very minimal. Also, the narrower and more parallel rail line as compared to the seaside, makes the Mashup feel tighter. The seaside feels like a loose squirrely board but with a ton of drive (which seems like an oxymoron) . The Mashup doesn't feel that loose. this is relative to the seaside. The mashup feels super loose relative to the SciFi2 or El Tomo Fish. Anyways, I feel like I picked the correct Mashup, 5'4". but I'm 5'8 and 140lbs. I should probalby be on a 5'2 seaside for volume but I don't like the short railine. depending on your height and stance, I would use that as your biggest factor. i have a medium stance which when surfing the mashup, makes the board look longer. if I had a wide stance or I was tall, I may have gone longer.
@@ThomyeSurfs yes you are right , I love the seaside in small waves , bigger waves chest high to over head , I feel is to loose to fast , and i was thing go little bit bigger on the mashup, that’s why I thought 5’5” at 28 L should be great , and I’m 5’6” , 165 lb and medium stance too so I guess 5’4” probably is the best option for the mashup
@@martinvelezmoro7250 yeah, i think if you want more performance, yes. if you want more paddle and performance is secondary, the 5'5 should be ok too. One thing for sure, the board is great because it is so familiar. Jumping on the dom2 felt a little odd and i had to get used to it. jumping on the nb3 was like taking up a new sport. jumping on this felt pretty natural.
@@ThomyeSurfs yep now make sense , I want more performance, than more volume to paddle , you are so right , thanks for the info and everything you do for us , all the reviews are a lot help 👍🏻👍🏻
I'm going to say no. not enough volume. consider the bean bag or Sweet Potato. You don't want to buy this board too long, definitely better options for that. You could also consider foiling.
it felt fast. I don't have my first 3 days on film which were bigger head high days and standard waves. but I had so much speed, i could not even start a cutback. I'm certain Rob could have, LOL. also, some bottom turns were difficult to set rails on for a few of the 3' overhead waves. This board is best described as a small wave performer.
comparing my 5'3 Sea to the 5'4 Mash, the sea is 1 L more but it is 1" wider which planes better. if you think about the skimboard, which probably has a volume of less than 3L, the guys that do it, they turn their boards where the nose and tail are to the side, essentially making it like 3" wide. but it is super fast. Width doesn't get mentioned enough. it is a huge factor for catching waves. PADDLING - when paddling they are the same, although the seaside is 1L more, the mashup is narrow so i can dig deeper. The two offset each other. I cannot say one is better than the other. CATCHING - the seaside being 1" wider, can get to planing speed a fraction of a second faster. So there is a difference and the seaside edges out the Mash but it's nothing that is noticeable on every wave, just on smaller or softer waves where you start paddling too early. SURFING - the Mashup seems nimble and the seaside flows better. Hope that helps.
it's a close one. I haven't surfed my Mashup in forever so I forgot how it even feels. I can only go off of how much I liked it at the time and footage. Having said that, if you told me I had to choose, I would give a very slight edge to the Mashup and here are the reasons why: 1. Helium construction - super durable. Barely pressures so every time you rewax, the board feels new. 2. More fin options - I say more and not better because the quad worked well. On the Mashup, I did settle on the 2+1 T. Knox tins, which I love. 3. Possible higher ceiling of performance. Slightly narrower tail but not narrow. Plenty of drive and also has a slight pulled in nose. 4. No office to Bobby but I like Kelly more. LOL this isn't really a factor but I like to support Kelly, Rob, Kalani (wish he had a board that wasn't a foamy). The BQ was great too though. I would love both but somewhat redundant. :( Can't justify the spend especially since i have to keep trying out new boards for the channel. I do love the spine-tek weight but it does pressure dent more than the helium. Personally, I think they should have dropped a 5th fin box just to see how it went. Bobby Pent instead of Bobby Quad. Anyways, I listed what seems like a lot in favor of the Mashup but at the end of the day, the BQ looked and felt really good on me so it was much closer decision than I can express on paper.
@@ThomyeSurfs wow thank you for the amazing response. I wish the Bobby had the 5 fin option as well, that’s a real let sone to be honest. Wish I could get your take on the No Brainer I feel like it’s a board that slipped under the radar. But I’m gonna give it another go in a couple of days. Your surfing in super small waves has me wanting to try harder so thank you for that
❤hi thomas!! I am currently 1.83 m tall and weigh 79/80 kg.... I'm currently using Sweet potato 5.6 and SEASIDE 5.9 and I'm really enjoying it... can I kindly ask you which size of MUSH UP do you recommend for me?? many thanks in advance! a hug
i just looked up the volume of the 2 boards you have and they both came in around 37L. One thing I would say is don't go taller than your own height on the Mashup. And from the looks of the volume on the Mashup, the 6' version is more liters than the seaside and the SP2. so, I would recommend going with the 5'10 and having the Mashup with a tad less liters than your Seaside and SP. You want to be able to move that thing around. If waves get soft, you have 2 really good choices to fall back on, Seaside and SP2. So, challenge yourself with the 35L 5'10". In fact, mathematically speaking, you riding the 5'8 would be the same as me riding my 5'4. You could stand to go with the 5'9 but i'm not exactly sure of the type of waves, your skill, or your fitness. I'm guess you are fit since your height to weight seems athletic. Anyways, hope that helps. just make sure not to go taller than the 5'10, don't go shorter than the 5'9.
Looking at getting my first shortbread, small mushy beqch break where I live but sometimes travel for some better waves but never more that head high, I weigh 165 lbs, would the 6’2 with 41.5L be to large? What kind of problems could I have with that? Considering the 6’0 with 38.5 but worried about going too small as I currently ride a 48L
any board can be ridden in any size. but you brought up a very good question, "what sort of problems could I have". at that length/liters, you are oversizing the mashup which for some boards work but others don't. in fact, the volume to weight ratio for you on the 6'1 is .251515. to give you an idea, I surf my mashup at .187586. I get this number by taking the volume divided by weight. Having said that, I personally like the Mashup because it is flatter and has a swallow making the board a bit tighter and drivey. My guess is, if you go bigger, the elements that I just mentioned get magnified. it will catch waves easily but it might be hard to turn in the pocket. Especially on smaller waves. Anyways, what is the length of your current 48L board? Also, where would you put your skill level and fitness?
@@ThomyeSurfs my current board is a 6’6, I have had it for 3 years and learnt a lot on it but now I’m trying better waves and improving cutbacks and turns I find it very limiting , my skill I would say I’m between the beginner and intermediate stages and my fitness is probably just above average. I want a board I can progress on but without the frustration of downsizing too fast
@@haydnlainchbury5847 ok, thanks. that helps me understand what might work better. as mentioned, the longer you go on the mashup, the tighter it might seem. I would say, don't go any taller than the 6'. depending on your height, that board should be ridden shorter than your won height, but it doesn't mean it won't work if ridden taller. It will just be tight based on being a flatter board with a swallow tail. To loosen it up, you can ride it as a 2+1 or quad. At your weight, don't be afraid to challenge yourself with 38L. To give you an idea, I learned on 28 and probably didn't surf anything over 30L for the first 10 years of surfing. Yes, more L would have put me on more waves but likely not much more L. Anyways, stick with the 6' on the mashup and avoid going taller. Another good option is the Seaside, I think it is one of the most user friendly boards I have ever surfed. You can go with something like the 5'9. Last point, remember to that when you buy a shorter board, the volume in question is now centered more directly under you. example, if you took a 40L board that was 8' vs one that was 5'8, the5'8 actually floats better because non of it will be sitting out of the water in front of you or behind you. I used to surf a 5'1 board at 29L which floated way better than a 5'8 31L board. it was also wider so caught waves way easier. Hope some of this info helps. Again, at your weight and your skill level, my concern with downsizing too much would start around 32L. Should be fine at 38. Also, if the waves get smaller, you also have your old board. this is why a quiver is super important if you can afford it. Cheers brotha. Good luck
@@ThomyeSurfs thanks a lot for the info, I will go for the mashup 6’0, I did look into the seaside too but I preferred the mashup as it seems a more versatile option with 5 fin boxes and less fishy shape, enjoyed your videos on both models
@@ThomyeSurfs I had an opportunity to try the mashup at a board demo, the 5'10 with 35.8L ended up being the favourite, they float way more than I was expecting. My 5'10 will be arriving next week
I haven't had the opportunity to ride the R Wide. but if i had to guess based on specs, I would say the mashup has a better lower end (smaller softer wave) coverage while the R Wide might do better in punchier and bigger waves. The rocker on the Mashup is staged with a flat section to allow for better speed in smaller softer waves. the lack of tail rocker makes it harder to surf or not as easy as other boards with more tail rocker in punchier, steeper, bigger waves. the mashup will tend to push water when you try and carve it while something like my hypto turns easier when i have more speed. but down the line speed is all Mashup., I swear it is the fastest board i have ever surfed.
i havn'e surfed the mashup much in 4 to 5. based on everything I know of the board and the Glazer, I think the Mashup works better in 4 to 5 soft to medium waves while the glazer will perform a tad better in 4 to 5 steep punchier conditions. For sure the Mashup wins hands down smaller than 4 ft. Neither boards are great above 6' so not sure it makes sense to compare them in that range. Thanks for the question.
@@ThomyeSurfs Thanks for the reply. I was on the fence between the two but your review and feedback just helped me place my order for a mashup :). I'll let you know how it goes in overhead surf once we get some hurricane swell.
Just took it out in the Earl swell this morning and the board went insane. Waves were 4-5 with the occasional overhead wave and as someone who rides a seaside 99% of the time, this felt like a natural step up to the seaside. Took two overhead waves and the board was so much fun. The first one I was running the large neutral legacy template with 4.0 trailers and the speed and hold was really great but the tail just felt to lively for me to commit to any big turns. I got out and put in a large AM thruster and tried it again and it work beautifully to tame to the tail. I’m a big fan of quads but once it’s head high, a thruster set is the way to go. Looks like the swell will fade a little tomorrow and probably only be 3-4 so I’ll be back on the seaside. I could ride the mashup but I’m pretty sure I’ll be sore and a bit sluggish tomorrow morning after surfing my brains out today.
Mashup. not sure I would put them in the same bucket. close but the mashup is more versatile. it goes as a quad, thruster, twin, twin +1. The fishbeard is fun but it's either a loose twin or a drivey twin (upright vs keel). I like both but if I had to choose, mashup.
Windsurf boards have no tail rocker. If you can get hold of an old one that someone is throwing out, try it for a couple of surfs. You will hate it but you will be shocked how quick it is. Tail rocker effects speed more than any other factor.
I do wish I had youtube when I was younger. would have saved me from buying bad boards. hahah i think about all the boards I bought that were the opposite of what I was trying to achieve.
@@ThomyeSurfs I made surfboard for myself for 10-15 years. Making sailboards was the test. If you design windsurfers wrongly you get a buoyancy device. They just don't work however most shapes for surfboards work a bit. It's all about drag a energy of water separation. A surfboard starts as a displacement hull and then becomes a hydroplane. Both must be optimised to get the best results. Then you have to make it turn. You only have to look a foilers to see how ineffective surfboards are.
that is about the middle of the small waves category in my opinion. But it is all relative I think. I used to think 6' waves were big 15 years ago. Now it feels small. This boards ability to manage wave sizes, all boards for that matter, definitely is based on the surfers' skill and what it is you are looking to do on the wave in my opinion. This board can handle double overhead if you plan on facing down the line. surfing tight in the pocket in double overhead might be way more challenging. Lack of tail rocker makes this thing want to go fast and straighter on rail. but it's all relative. Rob seems to surf any and every board well in double overhead Seaside beach. haha
@@ThomyeSurfs I took mine in overhead Surf, and it went really well and fast as you say. Unfortunately, I’ve only served it once and it’s really hard to get off the seaside sometimes, but I will force myself and see if I can get this mashup board dialed in. Appreciate your response always.
laying them flat on the ground, a 5'4 Mashup compared to a 5'3 Seaside, the tail of the seaside sits about 1/4" higher than the Mashup. so I have to assume the seaside has more tail rocker The opposite is true for the nose but the the mashup is 1" longer so that might be just a smallest of flip in the nose. But they are very similar though.
From what noel says the chart is not accurate that's weird... also on the website it shows more rocker on the Mashup compared to the seaside ... also i heard it is great from 1-4ft
I'd imagine it all depends on which boards you compare. I compared the 5'3 Seaside 28.2L to the 5'4 Mashup 27.1L. wonder if you compared them by length it would be the other way. One thing about Dan Mann designs for sure is that he tends to have a massive flat section in the middle which is why are are fast in less than perfect conditions. I have found other things to be off in my assessment of certain boards. Sometimes they will say wide point back from center and it is more front or centered. I think for me, all those stats and info is great as a starting point but you have to feel it and ride it to know for sure. But I do love my Mashup. Harder and harder to take out other boards. :(
@@ThomyeSurfs actually i just got one this week and surfed it today i can totally understand when you say it is harder to take other boards haha this thing is magic!
Mashup for most except rights. The ETF for me worked so good backing backside. also, when it get slightly punchier, i think ETF. The ETF was super stable, the Mashup is fast and feels a tad out of control, but controlling it makes the board so much more exciting. But to give you an idea, it is 7:30am and I'm about to hit the beach. I don't think I'm filming today cuz of soloshot issues. I'm taking the Mashup. :)
Love this format. Thanks!
Yeahh ! Great review! Finally you nailed it Thomye ! :D
nice review man! keep it up, almost landing those airs and that barrel riding wooosh! amazing, keep it up the good work the format is cool, cheers!
Watching your review again brother.
I love this new format.
Excellent content 👌🏼 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
perfect down to earth honnest and well deataild review💯
This was THE Mashup review I was waiting for, and it did not disappoint! I love this format! And you were absolutely ripping! Very helpful to know how it worked in the various conditions you took it out in. So stoked on this video, thanks so much! 🤙🏼
Great review! Like the format! Worth the wait! Yeah! And 20% better for u!
Great honest feedback thanks for the Review!
You were ripping that board to shreds Thomye, awesome stuff brother. Keep up the great reviews, board looks sick 👍🔥
another great Review Thomye:)
Great review bro. I had two seasides. Great boards and kept the wool one. Picked up the mashup yesterday and taking it out tomorrow. Bought it for the exact reasons you said it excels. Love the footage and your breakdown. I’m about the same level in ability and a couple years younger. Bought the 5’10” 35.8L and I’m 6’2” 220lbs
excellent review good to hear an unbiased opinion , as most reviews show ex pros saying how good the board is but most people are"nt pro level surfers, interesting the rocker you was saying with the flat sections ,board looked very fast from take off, also looked good for tube riding with plenty of speed , keep up the good work and the new format was good too.
you always do great content. Real reviews, heaps of detailed feedback, and honest opinions. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience. I like the format
has of right now, I they are about the same. bigger than 5' would be Glazer. Smaller then 3 the Mashup. But the 4 and 5 mark, about the same. The think the glazer is a tad better in steeper faster waves where the wave gives you speed and the mashup wins where the waves is soft and you need to generate the speed.
I have been looking at the mashup in volcanic lately but then found a glazer on line and I had a glazer a couple years ago and have to say it was magic, it worked for me in almost every condition and I am thinking about grabing that board instead. It's just a bummer that the glazer is discontinued, do you have an opinon? I would say I am an upper intermediate lower level advanced surfer. Surf River Jetties 99% of the time, I'll also head to oceanside when its firing.@@ThomyeSurfs
Have to be honest, this is some of the best surfing I've seen you do in these conditions. Not often is it noticable like this when a baord really elevates your game. I was okay not having the mashup but after seeing this video I miiiight reconsider haha. Great review as always Thomye. Love your vids!
I just tried it as a 2 +1 and it was super lively.
Thank you so much! Still trying to figure mine out I think have the same problem of getting hung up at the top too. Cheers!
Yewww. Great review!
Bro, you are ripping on the Mashup! Great review! Wish I had these waves every day.. even the shittiest conditions look fun! Yewww!!!
hi thomas!! I currently have a SWEET POTATO 5.6 and SEASIDE 5.9...
I saw that the sweet potato, despite being smaller, starts first.....
I currently weigh 79/80 kg and am 1.83 m tall
I wanted to ask you what size of MUSH UP you recommend...
❤❤Thank you very much in advance for everything... a hug
Great job🤙🏽
Thank you!!! Very good
I want it but can’t afford it at the moment. The board seems more of a want than a need but maybe one day. Nice video as always…
Love the video! I have a Seaside, probably ride it one size too big. On the 5’11”, but should be on the 5’10”. I’m thinking about the Mashup and you nailed it. I’m gonna size it down and get 6’0” at 38 L to get the added performance. Your videos are great, I try to watch them all!
Thanks brotha, means a lot. I think you will love the mashup. My buddy who surfs way better than me just picked one up cuz he saw how much better it was making me surf. Lol. He loves it too.
Thank, good info👌 i have a seaside and everytime i ride i miss the ability to snap harder on the lip. I feel the mashup will do that
Finally we can support the channel!
Awesome video, thanks for sharing.
I wanted to buy a Seaside but I am not so sure anymore haha damn.
best way to look at it, and I wish I had used these words in my video is this:
Seaside and Mashup are equal in the size of waves they can handle.
Seaside is more user friendly all around and in fact more user friendly in better shaped waves but not by much. we are talking fractions.
Mashup is a better performer in in smaller softer waves because it is more agile. Because it is narrow, it is easier to tick tack and push around.
If you are someone like Kevin Scholz, you are able to maximize the performance. but if someone is an intermediate, the seaside is the better option, just for ease of use.
BTW, really appreciate you supporting the channel. That is really awesome of you.
@@ThomyeSurfs Awesome, thanks for the details, that's helpful. My pleasure to help, well deserved!
Hey Thomye !! Great video.. I’ve got the 5’7 Seaside and the 5’7 Mashup. Can decide which I like better!! I also picked up the Sweet Potato in the 5’4. The Sweet Potato catches everything.. literally barely have to paddle. Love to meet you at Bolsa and let you try it!! Keep up the great videos Thomye. 🤙🏼
You got quite the quiver. :) Been super busy with my 9 to 5 which lately has been 6am to 9pm. Hoping to get out more during June after this all settles down. Might take you up on it. Maybe I'll get a mid year bonus and I can get the 5'2 Sweet P. Then we can trade off, see how it feels in different sizes. hit me up in June.
Good stuff mate, thanks.
Great review, thank you. It seems that the mashup is your favourite board (for up to head high say) at the moment? I've got a Seaside in 5'8" (35.4L) that I love and have used for 2 years, but I definitely think I oversized it slightly. Recently bought a Mashup in 5'8" (33.7L), to give that bit more performance in general beach break stuff, and at the wave pool (my local). Only tried it 3 times at the pool so far, but it seems perfect for that. Definitely doesn't paddle quite as well (2 inches narrower and more nose rocker), neither does it project laterally or flow so much. But it handles steeper takeoffs better, still catches waves fairly easily, and is substantially better top to bottom. It certainly feels more progressive. Really liking it so far.
Good review thanks. You are right on the wave range. I have a lot of trouble with it when overhead and hollow. Feel way better when I switch to a more conventional shortboard in those situations.
I think the sweet spot is waist to head high on this board and I have the new Sweet Potato which slots in very nice just below it.
Can't wait to try that SP2. That thing looks like a hog. :) I already have the Twice Baked but my only complaint about the TB is that it is heavy. Maybe better for choppy days. The SP2 looks like it would be amazing in clean Micro waves. Not sure where you surf but some place like Doheny. Dang, just thinking about the possibility is making me froth. haha
good review!
love your videos! no need for a new board in every single video :D
Such and honest Review brother!
Thanks so much.
I got the 6'6" and I love it.
I don't know what I'm doing out there but it feels pretty good.
All this from a total kook like me.
I'm 181 cm 95 kgs 49 years old, and all my joints hurts constantly but this board seems to help a little bit my surfing 👍🏻
Much love, joy and stoke to everyone in your channel ❤ 🙏🏼🏄🏼♂️🌊
LOL, my joints hurt too, especially when I take a break from surfing. I think surfing keeps them loose, so make sure you don't stop. :)
I've found the perfect number of sessions for my body to be 3 to 4 times a week but lately with work, I can't seem to get out there that 3rd session so every Sunday after that Saturday session, I am sore and in pain. LOL when are they coming out with the anti aging pill. :)
@@ThomyeSurfs 💯brother!
It's winter here in Australia 🇦🇺
Freezing as hell, joint are so stiff but the Mashup help quite a bit my surfing.
What kind of fins would you recommend?
I got futures F8 Neutral at the moment....I feel the board has a little bit more to give, it could be me 😆
Cheers legend!
Great Channel 👌🏼
@@migsy3302 I have been running Naked Viking Dan Manns and they are great for smaller softer waves; these are very large fins. But what worked well for me on a slightly bigger day was Medium Toledos. I would put them in the balanced category I think. Maybe between balanced and raked. I have not tried too many fin options so still no jury decision on that yet. I plan to do a follow up video about the fins soon though. Been working too many hours so no time. didn't get to surf this weekend at all. :(
@@ThomyeSurfs Thanks legend!
I think the F8 futures are kind of matching what you ride.
Big fun of your Channel brother.
nice review. I have a friend which just sold the Mashup. He told me the nose was catching up a olot when the waves were a bit more hollow, even in small waves
i can totally see that. There is one day that I surfed in the footage at HB and although I did ok, I babied every turn. It never felt right but in softer conditions like the small days I had on film, man does that thing go.
Absolutely loving this board and it's certainly my preferred daily driver now! Works way better in bigger conditions than Firewire have marketed it as! 🤙
I have not dialed it in on bigger waves. for me, the speed it gets is just too much. I can't dig in. haha
@@ThomyeSurfs yeah it's certainly a speedy stick hey? I've taken it out in about head and half and it still hold really well
@@StokedForTravel How did you control the speed? Stiffer fins?
@@MensGroup to be honest i enjoy the speed of quad so i'm pretty used to it. Using the Rasta quads on it now and goes really well :) Thruster setup will slow it down a bit though
Great review. I literally just waxed mine up. I weigh about 175LB with my suit on and I actually got the 5'10" with almost 36L. It's probably got too much foam but I wanted a groveler and something that I can paddle around quick. Thanks for the down to earth review.
Liking it or wish you sized down?
@@cwr8618 i think i could have sized down to a 5'9" but its good. I also thought it would be better in shitty waves. I think it flies at 3-4'. But 1-3 it takes a bit to get it going.
@@davidkerman1732 right on
You looked like you were loving it!
You sounded like you were loving it!
Looked like you had some fun waves to get it dialed in on! Great review!!!
Already sent or shared with everyone that I know who’s frothing over it. Was curious as to what fin’s you used & what you felt worked best. I ordered the Sweet Potato & my buddy ordered the Mashup…
Both board’s won’t be here for roughly 4 months. Can’t wait tho!
that wait time is so painful.
as for fins, I used large tri, medium quads, and small tri. Because I was picking fins based on the size of waves and conditions, I feel like they all worked really well. the Large Tri's were for smaller punchy or medium soft. The quads i used for micro soft and bigger punchy and the medium tri i used for bigger punchy. The day i thought the waves were perfect, i was using the Medium Toledo thruster. it went so well. Felt very natural. I will try and do another vid where I compare fins. I need less expensive content. haha
@@ThomyeSurfs Ours are taking longer, because we ordered them in color, so tired of the FireWire’s yellowing. I know you know what I’m talking about. From some of your older video’s… Your Go Surf & that board you dug out for your daughter.
I have a board room in my house…
Have my board’s bagged up in A/C
& they only see the light of day when I surf on them & they still yellow.
So, any Firewire I get from here on out, I’m just gonna order them with color. Saves me having to paint them later. Thanks for hitting me back about the fin’s! Good stuff! 💪👊
@@shannonyoung3465 lol. That was a good call on color.
Great review, i was waiting for it the last few weeks. Can you please elaborate about the fin configuration in another blog.
Thank you
Next video will be a fin test
@@ThomyeSurfs thank you and great surfing
I need to try this board more as a groveler but I agree with everything you said based on my sessions riding it in fair to good head high plus waves. I don't feel it's a great daily driver, I'd still choose the Dom 2. Especially you mentioned 'dont size up the mashup'. One of my biggest issues with the board so far is the stiffness; I have a dominator 2 that's 5'7 and 2 3/8 and the 5'6 mashup that's 2 and 9/16; this extra 3/16 in thickness inhibits the flex IMO. The stiffness and low rocker does produce a lot of down the line speed, projection, and gets you through the flat transitions but it's not ideal in shoulder to head high or plus waves.
exactly. you have the perfect comparison too, a dom2 that is 1 to 2 inches bigger. I think I should have tested the dom2 in a 5'5 or 5'6. Also, "stiffness" is a great single word explanation for that I was trying to say. I think I was trying too hard to describe what I was feeling. haha thanks for the help on that. :)
Yeah great!!!
Haha! Every day mate and here we are 👍🏼
an I totally appreciate that. 😁🤙
Great review mate... did I miss it - the fin system(s) you tried? The board looks great under your feet! That was greatly encouraging...I have one coming in a couple of weeks - very excited now 😀. I bought a Dom2 six months ago and have been loving it so much that the usual excitement for a new board wasn't there but your review has changed that 👍
Fins, tried the Fanning large on some of the 3+ foot days where it was soft. I needed more drive on those days. On the punchier days, I ran Naked Viking medium quads as well as the Toledo thrusters. I liked it equally on both. I need to try and figure out where the difference comes in. On other boards it seemed more apparent but the Mashup sort of blended the fins so I have not concluded that yet. That might be a cheap video to do next. :)
@@ThomyeSurfs Cheers mate 🙏
Look forward to it 🤙🏽
Just scooped a 5’9 mashup. Les go
That barrel at 3:25!
I’d love to see a video on your favorite three board quiver!
that might be an easy video. :) thanks for the idea.
I have only surfed it once last week in less than optimal conditions, 3-4 walled and wind blown. It was a lot skatier than I expected. That might be due to the helium construction, this is my first epoxy type board. I plan to get out a few more time this week in hopefully in cleaner surf.
Let us know. It helps everyone when they hear/read other people's take on the board.
Great review! I watched Noel Salas' review of the Mash-Up and your review was very helpful as a "more normal" surfer. I just bought a Mash-Up at 6'0 (I am 6' at 195). Thanks for all the great work on the review.
I'm a bit heavier you, how is the 6'0" Mashup going?
Fantastic honest review with great perspective. Was considering sizing up the mashup due to volume. I’m 5,10 174 and want this board for smaller days in PR when I surf with 8yr old son. Still concerned about the Vol being low on the 5’7” thoughts ?
this is a little tough question. So, I'm 5'8 and 140 so my 5'4 Mash is a factor of .1975. if you were to get the exact relative board to your weight, it would be 33.875L. Probably a 5'8 or 5'9. If you intention is to grovel, I would stay in this range. If you want highenbd performance along with some grovel, the 57 is a better bet since you don't want to get the board too tall relative to your stance.
Anyways, my buddy is about 5'11 and surfs a 6'4. He weighs 200 so he needed the liters but he seems to enjoy his board quite. But he is an advanced surfer.
If your goal is to surf with your 8yr old, the waves will likely be small. You want more paddle and float. I think it will catch waves well and surf down the line well as a bigger board but carving might be hindered. It will turn but just have a difficult time carving. Mostly cuz the waves will be smaller.
This sized board seems to have a lot of volume for someone your weight - but here you are ripping it up!. At my age and weight I need more volume so your video has given faith I can size it up and not lose much maneuverability. Cheers.
I noticed that for me, boards with wide point a tad forward but being short in length can be ridden in slightly more volume. Design is super important though. Seaside, mashup, el Tomo fish, all these I ride 27 to 29L. The scifi2 was the only one I tested recently that felt too big.
You are my favorite surfer on the internet. You are my age and a goofy like me and a tick better than me so i am grateful to learn from you. But the waves at sf ob are way more punishing and fickle than socal. So it’s tough to improve but thanks for the content!!! You also help me select future boards. I bought a dominator 2 before i found your reviews but its just ok, i agree with your take. I may buy the mashup or seaside or seaside and beyond next but i don’t know which…. Any thoughts anyone? Ps i have a holy grail and its really excellent in good surf
ocean beach gets big. when you surf that place, how big do you like to surf it and what are the waves mostly like, soft or hollow, on the days you like to surf it. although I don't think you can go wrong with any of the three, it depends on what you are looking for. The seaside to me seems like the best option. The Mashup is really flat rockered. so if you waves are OB are standard to punchy, the curve of the seaside would feel better and be easier.
There are a few that said they like the Mashup in bigger waves but I have not found that for myself. quite the opposite. The seaside is a tad more user friendly in better shaped waves.
@@ThomyeSurfs Thanks so much for the reply. I would say its fairly strong beach break like Newport people say and punchy, but I do surf it up to double overhead and it can barrel and be a fast wave. Typically the waves around here in the sf bay area are beach breaks - range from a lot of slop with crumbly faces to clean barrels but the waves usually have power on the takeoff at least. my main issue is dropping in too late so I may be looking for more volume on a seaside and see where it gets me. Here I am on surfline surfcam waves - studio.ruclips.net/user/videooB9qeHrV_Og/edit
Thanks for the Mashup review. I would like to hear your thoughts on Tri vs Quad, for the Mashup, if you have time. Thanks
I normaly don't like thrusters but it works really well on this board. Having said that, I'm running it as a 2 +1 right now and that has been working really well. I may do a comparison video about the three setups.
@@ThomyeSurfs thank Thomye
Thanks for the review of Mashup. I just received mine and would love to know what you think about the placement of the traction pad! Did you cut it? I feel like my back foot isn't really above the thruster fin (around the middle of the fin). Thanks you so much.
did you end up getting a center plug or a side plug.
Helpful review Thomye. How do you compare wave catching ability / paddle power in the same conditions versus Seaside?
comparing the 5'3 Seasdie 28.2 L to the 5'4 Mashup 27.1L goes something like this:
Paddle feels very similar. Nothing I can tell or differentiate.
Catching wave - there is a slight advantage for me on the Seaside. The fact that it is 1" wider, it gets to planing speed a fraction quicker. Hard to quantify but take a tad less effort. Having said that, one thing I do notice about the boards I have been surfing lately is that they are narrower, the Mashup is roughly 1" narrower. So digging in is easier. Less stress on shoulders and more power from back. I have to try harder but it does feel better. Hope that makes sense.
My Twice baked which is over 21" wide catches waves better but those waves that I have to make an effort for, feel bad on my shoulders since I feel like my arms are off to the side more and not directly under me.
In the end, depending on what size board you are comparing, I think generally speaking, paddle is roughly the same while the catch is leans toward seaside. Also, the seaside takes more volume from tail and has it up towards chest.
@@ThomyeSurfs that's so helpful, thanks!
Super insightful video to stumble upon! I am currently torn between getting a seaside or a rocket wide and was wondering if you had any advice? Im in NZ surfing 2 - 5 feet waves that can vary from mushy to punchy and I need something that can handle both. Im coming from a high volume fish, I liked how easy it was to paddle but wanted a bit more manoeuvrability out of my next board
welcome and BTW I love NZ, cleanest most amazing place I have ever visited. Anyways, if 5' is the max but bulk of the waves are in between 2 and 5, then I would say seaside. if it is bigger and you want the option to surf bigger, then go with the Rocket Wide. Although they have similar outlines, the height the volume ratio is a tad different and so is the rocker.
Height to volume - seaside is shorter with more volume while the RW is a tad taller. The ones I have surfed, I think the 5'3 seaside and the 5'6 RW come in around the same volume. Double check that since I'm doing this from memory. I like short boards for grovel and longer boards for better waves.
Width - seaside is also wider for the length and volume. that makes it a better groveler.
Rocker - RW has more rocker so it tend to handle better waves with more control. Seaside has some and can handle up to about 5' depending on your skill level but it wants to go fast so as the waves get bigger, harder to transfer that speed to rail. Having said that, if you are coming off a fish, that might be perfect. its turns better at slower speeds but can get going.
Construction - the Seaside is in Helium construction. this is my favorite construction. It is light weight but super durable. I hardly ever get pressure dings. If you want a board to last, this is also the better call.
Recapping, the only reason I would go with an RW at this point would be the option to surf bigger waves. or surf the smaller stuff with more performance. The performance though could go either way, that depends on how big of a board you get. past a certain point, the shorter boards tend to perform better.
Hope this helps. Cheer
@@ThomyeSurfs thanks so much thats given me a lot to think about, appreciate it!
Hi Thomyesurfs, great content as always!! I thinking to get the mashup but I don’t know what size the 5’4” at 27.1 or 5’5” 28.7 , I usually ride 29L to 30L , what would you recommend?? I'm 5'10 and 156lbs
Sorry for the late response, i think I responded to this but never sent it. :(
I'm 5'8 145 usually. right now i'm 140. I bought the 5'4 cuz at the time of purchase, I was 132 but starting to gain my weight back. mathematically speaking, I think you should do the 5'5. the height and weight different proportionately puts you on the 5'5 relative to me. that's without knowing anything else: your waves, your skills, etc.
Great review again! I know you said the seaside and el Tomo were your go to boards. How does this fit in with the el Tomo?
for me it's been this odd learning experience.
Seaside is super user friendly.
El Tomo feels a little stiff at times on my forehand but is the best backside board I have ridden. but is only good from 2' to 4' backhand. Any bigger and I seem to struggle. Also the stiffness might be a sizing issue. I'm on the 5'6 and I think the 5'5 or even the 5'4 would have been a better fit.
Mashup, works well on both frontside and backside for me, but in the smaller waves, about waist high, I'm abe to get so much more speed that I feel like I'm able to whip it around and practice things I can't usually practice unless it's shoulder high. If I only surfed somewhere like Lowers, I might not ever pick the Mashup as my daily but that may also be true for the other two boards. I will say though, for Bolsa, it has become my daily and if I'm not filming, it is what I take out.
@@ThomyeSurfs thanks! Appreciate your reviews and feedback!
Great review, made sure to subscribe. Re: the fastest board claim-I’m curious if you’ve ever ridden a Tomo Evo ?
no, I have not tried the EVO yet. Not sure i'll get the chance. The Mashup is the fastest that "I" have ever ridden but with the NVS fins. I'm certain there are faster, likely a few twin's out there are going to be faster. Hard to qualify without a Trace or some sort of app. I used to have one, not sure it still works. might have to test it. The fastest I have ever clocked on Trace was 27mph. big day at San on on my 5'1 Baked Potato. Likely it was a drop to bottom turn or a floater to bottom turn. but 27mph is fast given my average speed was around 16.
Anyways, hoping to try the evo someday but only if I get lucky with my size. everyone that has one loves there and has been asking me to get one. fingers crossed. :)
BTW, what do you think about the Revo since you have had the EVO?
How would you compare it with the Sharpeye modern 2? Thought it almost became your fav board last year? (Great explanation about the wave size chart, thanks!)
without looking it up, my M2 is 5'6 29L. The Mashup is 5'4 27.1. Catching waves and paddling goes to the M2, but only by a very slight margin. because that 2L diff is up in a fatter nose and not concentrated in the chest. Also the M2 is wider so planes quicker. In smaller waves, soft to standard, the Mashup is more nimble. In standard to punchier waves, the M2 is easier to control and I had more confidence. I think it was the rolled bottom of the M2 and likely more tail rocker although I would have do measure to know for sure. The Mashup is faster, much faster.
Somewhere like Trestles and Newport, I would likely go with the M2.for anything bigger than 3'. Any softer and smaller, I'll pick Mashup. I will do a comparison video for sure. Side by side.
I have the modern 2.5 in 5.4 (I’m 145 lbs) and love it. Worked great at a point similar to trestles for waist to several feet overhead waves. Paddles in great and was doing some of my best turns on it.
Another great review. Thanks. How do you compare with the El Tomo fish. Which do you prefer.
Overall performance and the small waves i surf, I like the Mashup best. The only place I like the ET better is backside. it is still the easiest backside board for me, not sure why really. maybe the wider tail and that cut angle.
Anyways, the Mashup is fast and I seem to be able to control the speed better. Possible that a smaller El tomo might be more comparable, like a 5'5 ET.
Thank you for your review. How do you compare the Mashup with the Sunday? Both are targeting the same wave range.
Hard for me to compare the two mostly because I surfed the Sunday at a volume range way beyond the Mashup. I have the 6' and 6'8 Sunday which are uber uber grovelers to me. They had fun aspects of performance but weren't really performance. I was able to do turn but you can tell there was some reservations in completing them. Having said that, if I had surfed the 5'6 Sunday, I might have been able to compare them.
To me they are too different in design to compare. But no matter what, they are both fun and amazing boards.
I think I saw you surfing today On a white board not sure what it was though.
I might go buy the mashup today haha
Where at. Bolsa or down south?
Thanks for the review! Would you prefer the mash-up above the sharpeye modern 2?
I think I wouldn't put them in the same bucket to be honest. I have footage on Instagram where i'm surfing the M2 on 1+ ft overhead wave that I am certain the mashup would struggle on. On the smaller stuff, the M2 is a tad better at groveling because of the extra volume and width but the Mashup performs better on the knee to chest high. The M2 does better on Chest high to 2+ overhead. rough estimate but hopefully you get my point.
Thanks Thomye and your observations are very insightful. Also, it is fun to note that I formerly owned a seaside and changed it to a M2, amongst other things because of your and Salas' feedback. So far, I'm enjoying it very much! Cheers
Thanks!
holy crap, you are the first to use that Super. So legend and so appreciated.
@@ThomyeSurfs Very welcome, thanks for the great reviews. Hopefully a lot more will chip in a little bit and help get you back in the +ve 🤙🏽
Thanks for the great content Thomey!
What board would you suggest for me between the sweet potato and seaside? I’m 6’4” and 200lbs low level intermediate. Any suggestions in size also?
Appreciate your time!
6'4 @200 seems like a fit 200 so I have to guess you paddle well. I'm 5'8 @ 140. My grovel ratio is .2 and my uber grovel ratio is .221 or there about. Bascially I surf my seasdie at .2 per lbs and my sweet potato at around .221. If you wanted to surf a seaside at my exact ratio, then it would be .2 x 200. basically 40L which would put you on a 5'10 or 5'11. For the sweepee, that would be 44.42L (.221 X 200), which would be the 5'10 @45L. the liters I mentioned are strictly mathematical. taking other things into consideration is super important. Skill level surfing, skill level paddling, the type of waves you often surf, etc. But from the Liters mentioned above, you should be able to get an idea. If you are coming off a super long boaty board, then compromise by adding .02 to .04 to the liter ratio. Anyways, at the surfing level you mentioned, I would consider a 6' or 6'1 Seaside. that boards is just easy to surf. For the sweepee, you can either go 6'2 to make it a wave catching machine. but it will be harder to turn and won't be as smooth. I found it to be a great uber groveler but clunky for maneuvers but it also depends on the degree and type of maneuvers. I was having fun doing floaters and soft turns. hope this wasn't too confusing.
@@ThomyeSurfs really appreciate your feed back, Keep shredding!
Great to see someone in my age group surfing well! Am thinking of getting a Mashup. Am at a similar (slightly lower) skill level to yourself and trying to choose a size. At 155lbs I'm thinking of getting a 5'5, which is slightly higher volume than my regular shortboard. What do you reckon? This or an extra liter?
I weigh 145 and the 5'4 seems to work well for me. I have not had a situation where I thought I wanted more foam. I have had instances where I thought I wanted a different board with more volume. I think the 5'5 is good. If you are about my height, then either. If you are taller, you could go taller. I would not recommend getting this board too out of proportion. meaning if you are 5'8, same as me, then then something like a 5'7 might be too tall. you would be out of the sweet spot in terms of your stance. unless you have a very wide stance.
@@ThomyeSurfs Thanks Thomye. Have gone for the 5'5 - hope it works out as well for me as it is for you!
Good review! How does the mashup compare to the El Tomo fish?
the mashup seems to feel a tad looser. much more release. it could be the fins i ride on the El Tomo but that board seems much more stable and tight. Tight in a good way not stiff. I feel like the ETF is more drivey and to be honest, that board is still better at backhand for me. I need to get back on it backhand so i don't forget. it was progressing quite a bit, but only small to medium waves.
@@ThomyeSurfs Thanks! I saw your other reply about the ETF as well. I just picked up an ETF and I love how fast it goes and think it turns well on the open face including on bigger waves as long as they aren't too hollow. I agree it is stable and tight feeling but not in a bad way. My only issue is on steep take offs, late drops I can feel the lack of nose and tail rocker, so better for a flatter wave. Seems like there is a lot of overlap with the wave range for the mashup. Keep up the rad reviews!
Great video. Is the mashup very similar to el tomo fish?
No, the El Tomo fish has a much wider tail block. Although it seems smaller cuz of the vador swallow, it was still wide and stable. Great drive in softer smaller stuff but not the same pivot. I Mashup feels to me more like a normal performance board. closer to it. Also, the El Tomo seemed a lot bigger than it was. I think I surfed the 5'6 but it felt big. I likely should have ridden the 5'5. The 5'4 Mashup to me feels perfect for my height and weight.
There are similar traits in all boards I think, the refinements are hard to pick out but I personally would choose the mashup over the El Tomo for general use (daily driver).
Hi Thomyesurfs. Great content as always!! How would you compare the mashup against the spitfire? Do you feel the performance is similar? I have a spitfire as a daily but I am looking at the mashup, rocket wide or even NB2. Thanks!!!!
this is a hard comparison for me. Because the spitfire and dom both were wide point back, in order for me to like the board, I surfed it at 5'8 which is oversized. that board was 31L. In the mashup, it is wide point forward so I was able to down size it.
comparing the 5'4 to the 5'8 isn't really fair, the Mashup mashes the spit. The only thing I can compare that would be fair in dan mann line is the dom2. I had the 5'4 Dom2. But that board was 25.9L which is close enough but because the wide point was back, it felt like a 5'0 to me. with so little control on the dom2, I still feel the mashup had better performance. but this is in smaller waves or softer bigger waves.
I would love to try the 5'5 or 5'6 dom2 but can't afford to. maybe i'll come across a used one at some point.
@@ThomyeSurfs thanks for this feedback. Your vid review spoke mostly on the comparison to the Seaside, and almost nothing about the other part of the Mashup, e.g. the Dom 2.0.
Don’t know if you still own it, but I saw your reviews on it, and was wondering about your thoughts on which board (mash/dom) would you prefer on certain wave conditions.
Love your channel and review format. And was looking forward to you releasing this review!!
Thanks for pumping these vids out in btwn work and family life! 🫶🏼👍🏼🫰🏼🤙🏼
@@rjcplus9 so originally, i thought the mashup fit between the seaside and spitfire. The spitfire looks more traditional performance but thicker, wider, a tad shorter. Classic groveler. But the Mashup ended up being more on the lower end for me. it has better performance than the seaside (nimble) but wave size and quality, it fit below the Seaside and not in between the two.
I think it all has to do with the flatter rocker. it is great for speed but then to do a hard carve, at least for me being so heavy front footed, it didn't do as well as the seaside in bigger or stronger waves.
My 5'4 dom2 was just too short for me. the liters were right but the wide point was way too far back and between my legs. with the mushup, the wide point is forward. the transition was natural for me, the board felt right where as the dom2, i felt like i needed to get used to it.
For my beach, Mashup and Seaside is a good combo although it may appear to be redundant, I think that performance different and speed separates them enough to where it makes sense to have both. For me, the dom2 is just sized wrong. Because of the shape, i would like the outline of a 5'8 but then the volume goes into the super groveler range. so it was harder for me to compare.
i'm glad that firewire has their demo days again. wish they would come back to hungtington, I missed the first one. :(
Hi Tommy 👋 love your videos ! I’m an intermediate level, I already have the mashup 5.7 31L and sci fi 2.0 29L. I want a board who is able to go in mushy condition a low power wave as we can find in summer. I struggle between the sunday 5.9 34L or 6.0 38L and the seaside 5.5 31.5L or 5.6 32.5L. What’s your precious recommandations? It’s look sunday is more to be a mid length than a groveler no ?
I like variety as much as I want specifics. you already have two boards in the rough 30L range. Although I love the seaside, it might be best for you to get the 6'0 Sunday. That would put enough liters above your other boards to make a difference. I would also recommend getting rid of one of the two, mashup or scifi and getting a seaside. I think your quiver would be perfect if you had the 5'7 Mashup, 5'6 Seaside, and the 6'0 Sunday. then you would be covered from 31L to 38L.
Watch my 6'0 Sunday video, the very first one I did. as a twin, the board still has really good elements of performance. And then, if you have instagram, watch the recent sunday video on super small waves. Having said that, make sure you consider our differences. I'm 5'8 140lbs. I have the 5'3 Seaside, 5'4 Mashup, 5'7 SciFi (which is too big for me), and the 6' Sunday. I don't really ride the 6'8 Sunday, I gave it to my little brother, who is bigger than I am by 20lbs. I love that board too but I wouldn't ride it enough to get any use out of it.
@@ThomyeSurfs tanks a lot ! Si for the summer (bad waves, low power) I should pick the Sunday 6.0. The seaside will not the job ?
@@medphysio3746 the seaside will more than do the job but just not as well for groveling as a 60 sunday. Because the seaside you are looking at is virtually the same volume as your other two boards.6 liter difference is a lot.
I am exactly that one that is transitioning to a shortboard and thinking on getting the seaside, yet doubting which size I should get. I am 155 pounds all suit up. I think 35 to 37 liter should be fine, what are our thoughts? Thanks
The great thing about the seaside is that the board is so user friendly, I'm able to surf it from my 5'2 24L to my buddy's 5'7. I have had some good turns on the big one, even better and more controllable than my Twice Baked. At your weight and stage, yes, that sounds about right and the width will help with stability and catching waves. as you get better, all you will need to learn is transitioning more of your weight to the back. After that, sizing down depending on how fast you are progressing. :)
Hi Thom! Between the mashup and the bobby quad? which one is easier to catch waves, especially in small waves? Where I surf is really small but the problem is that the waves are very fast sometimes, I feel if I can stand up early it would be better to improve the maneuvers. What do you recommend? Thanks for all your videos!
they are super similar for catching waves but only if you are comparing the Mashup to the EPS version of the BQ. I have the 5'4 Mashup which is Helium, that board is super light and buoyant. If you compare that to the PU BQ, the Mashup hands down will paddle and catch waves better. But if you get the EPS version of the BQ (spine-tek), they are too close to actually compare.
but for me, actualy surfing, I like my Mashup in smaller waves because I can set it up as a 2+1. The BQ, obviously is quad only. I guess you could try putting in big front fins and smaller rear fins. The 2+1 allow me to get much quicker speed and also top end speed.
@@ThomyeSurfs thanks Thom! I Will go for the mashup 2+1
Great review and Surfing! Can you compare this board to a stock 5'5 Album Twinsman on these same waves? I bet 99% of subscribers would love to see these 2 boards compared. Thanks!
You are right about people want to know that but I have never surfed a Twinsman. I am waiting for one to show up in my size on sale. Varial had a few but nothing in my price range. Soon I hope. I have heard nothing but good things.
@@ThomyeSurfs Yea they are so expensive that is why I want to see a review from a great unbiased reviewer like you on real everyday beach breaks! Cheers
Other Million dollar question: Have you tried the Lost RNF 96 (epoxy) by any chance? . It's a similar outline and volume. (My favorite board at the moment! ). If you did I would love to know what you think of it compared to the Mashup. Keep the reviews coming \o/
I have not tried it but I too noticed the similarity. I'm really curious because the only real major different would be the Front fin placement. The RNF96 to me looks like it is set up to be a twin+trailer, the front fins being a tad back while the Mashup is a standard thruster layup. I am hoping to still get on one, I am just waiting for someone loan me one, LOL.
@@ThomyeSurfs Thanks for responding! (I understand you have thousands of comments). I am not in the US so I can’t lend it unfortunately 😀. Yep it’s definitely a twin and adding the trailer when it gets more punchy gives it the feel of a thruster bit looser. I have yet to try it as a pure thruster but I’d wait for overhead conditions for that. I have basically binged on all your videos lately, fantastic content, this is really helpful for everyday intermediates looking to dial in their equipment, keep up the amazing work 💯
Mashup looks so sweet for smaller conditions, you are ripping fast on that thing! Ever compare it to the Lost RNF96 or the CI Pod Mod? they all seem fairly similar in outline. I'm currently looking for a good board for variable wave days that has a huge range, but stills grovels reasonably well.
I have not had a chance to review or surf the RNF96. I did in one of my post point out how similar the RNF96 and the Mashup looked in outline. Having said that, I just spoke with a guy in the water today that has both and they said they are similar but the RNF96 performs a tad better. Likely cuz of the rocker. I'm guessing he also meant then, that the Mashup grovels a tad better.
Regarding the PodMod, i do own one, I totally forgot. But it is bigger so comparing them i will say my podmod goes better in softer waves but the mashup is better in every other way.
@@ThomyeSurfs Had a chance to compare the rnf96, mashup and podmod today. So similar, rnf96 seemed to have a bit more tail and nose rocker but rails and tail seemed fuller. Mashup widepoint seems a little further back and rails are thinner, tail is def thinner, seems to have a fairly flat spot under the feet, RNF seems to have a bit more curve in the belly. Pod mod rails seem the thickest and rocker is lower like the mashup, but still seems to have slightly more curve in the belly than the mashup. I guess that all adds up to the mashup being so good in smaller conditions? How do you like your 5'4 for size\volume?
@@Surf_Salt 5'4 Mashup is one of my favorite boards. I was so afraid they might retire it, like the baked potato, I bought a backup. :) I bought it in gray since it would sit for years and I didn't want it to go yellow.
I could easily go with a 5'6 for easier cruiser days but then I wouldn't have variety. So to answer your question, it's perfect for me.
@@ThomyeSurfs Thanks for the reply Thomye, that says a lot....I might go back and grab it before its gone!
What fin set up are you using most? I put the mashup into some 6 foot slopey waves with a quad and it felt so sticky, almost like the opposite of how it rides when its smaller. 2+1 is a bit too loose and not enough drive. Haven't tried quad keels but that seems to be the most common so far.
the sticky might actually be an product of the bottom. it begin so flat, it is fast and too hard to transition into rail, at least in bigger more punchier waves. the last two times I have surfed, I have been riding it has a 2 +1 in small waves and it has been amazing. I just dont' think this board works well in waves bigger than 3 to 5. I won't really know till I get it out in those conditions but the few times I have been on the bigger set waves, I have struggled with turns.
Great video as usual, can you compare this to the ci fishbeard?
they are nothing alike. The mashup to me feels more like a traditional performance board with grovel features like a flatter rocker, slightly wider, thicker in the middle. Making it a great performance board in small waves.
The fishbeard is much stiffer or tighter which I do like in certain conditions. It is super drivey and fast but not as skatey. I think in the beachbreaks, I like the mashup. I would likely prefer the fishbeard on a longer point break like church if church were a left and not a right. Also, I would like the fishbeard at San O point. Newport, HB, and bolsa, I want something that has immediate get up and go which the mashup does well.
Fishbeard has longer drawn out turns while the mashup is snappy and pivoty.
@@ThomyeSurfs thank you so much for your answer, been surfing the fishbeard for a year and a half and love it. I live in Portugal, my home town surf break is a point break but i do surf beach breaks a lot of times. The thing here is that my fishbeard is a 5`5 ( 25 liters) and the 5`4 mash up is 27 wich can be a bit more than i am used too but anyway, thank you for your great reviews.
Hi, thank you very much for your work. Did you ever tried the sub xero (by JS) ? i am between the mashup and the sub xero and cant decide what to buy... can you help me with that?
I've never tried the sub xero. but looking at it, they look super similar. I tried to overlay them to get a sense of their rocker and that too seems almost identical. But hard to really say since the images I used may have been different size boards.
The only thing I can really speak to with confidence is materials. The Helium is super durable. Hard to get pressure dents. I'd imagine they are about the same weight if you are looking at the Hyfi sub xero. Cost and availability might be what you may have to based your decision on.
I do love my mashup though. Sorry I can't be of more help.
Thank you very , it is already a lot new informations to think about! @@ThomyeSurfs
@@mukundahubmann5097 Just an FYI, I did some measurements from images found online, to the best that I could, it appears the Sub Xero has a fraction more rocker than the mashup. it could be about 1/8" to almost a 1/4" on the tail. given this, I would say if your waves are steeper, the sub xero for sure. if they are softer, then go mashup.
thanks for your input. currently have 3 boards in my quiver now - seaside, dominator 2, and a flat earth. my go to is the dominator 2, where i bring out the flat earth on larger slopey days, and the seaside on the small stuff. at first i loved the seaside - but as time went on and using both the flat earth and dominator 2 - i want something more maneuverable for smaller days - so i think i am going to clean off my seaside - and put it up for sale and stick the mashup in its place. also i notice you mention other review sites like Noels, and such - another good one is wooly tv on youtube - check him out
yeah, Wooly is good. Surf really good too. He trips me out, cuz he looks so big but surfs such a small board (liters).
Hi Thomye, great content! I think your review helps me a lot! I am thinking to buy the mashup and I am 5'9‘ 170lbf. intermediate surfer at SD with mushy wave, learning to do top turn. can I get some suggestion for the board volume? or do you think there's a better board than mashup? thank you!
do you consider yourself good at catching waves? in terms of positioning to catch a wave and then also catching the wave? a lot of times, you want volume for paddling around and positioning. In terms of volume, me at 145, I surf the Mashup at 27.1L. if we did the mathematical conversion to your weight, that would put you at 31.77L. However, I consider myself to be a low level advanced surfer and likely a high intermediate paddler.
If you are fit and good at catching waves, you can challenge your self at do the 5'7 Mashup. 5'8 is likely a good option and safe. But 5'9 would be best if you aren't fit or not great at positioning and timing. It's hard for me to make an exact recommendation but can give you suggestions.
lastly, regarding other boards. just look at boards that would put you in and around 33L to 35L (on the higher end for PU boards), and make sure it isn't longer than 5'9. 5'9 and under at that volume will insure that the board is wide enough to be a decent groveler. Some similar boards would be the Lost RNF96 which looks super similar to the Mashup in terms of outline.
another good tip/rule of thumb is that if you do want more volume, try and get more of a groveler board that is shorter/wider. for instance, if you wanted to be really safe and get 35L, on a Mashup, that would be a 5'10. The longer the board, the more it takes to turn and move it around. so, in order to compensate for the increased volume, rather than a Mashup, go with a Seaside. the Seaside at 5'8 is 35L. decreasing the length by 2" does help with swing weight and pivoting making it slightly easier to turn.
Something I have seen with some of my friends that have the Mashup, most people that ride it at their height an or shorter love it. a few that bought it taller than themselves don't like it, they feel it is hard to turn. Anyways, hope that helps guide you a bit. sorry for the long response.
@@ThomyeSurfs thank you so so much for your detailed reply! I am actually borrowing my friends 5'8 mashup now and I feel I am a comfortable with positioning and paddling but I can't get into the wave early enough to capitalize the speed from the drop, especially when the wave is mushy, which is most time in north SD. so I think you are right 5'9 might be a better choice. and I actually had a seaside and I loved it but wanted to improve my surfing to go top to bottom so I sold it. What's your thoughts on an oversized more performance shape? let's say a 36 or 37L inferno 72. Would that be easier or harder to turn.? will longer length help me to get into the wave early? since the longer tail got picked up sooner? thanks again for your reply! btw, do you do any coaching or video analysis? :)
@@tanneddude8330 longer boards do help with early entry, lift as well as the volume that is built into longer boards. a board like the 72 also has enough tail rocker to turn easy but only off the tail. longer boards have larger swing weight but in the case of the 72, it won't be too bad. since it is a performance board with a narrow and pointy nose. I would say that also, if you do get a performance board, it does help that it is eps or something lighter than PU especially in softer conditions. having said that though, a 72 at 36/37 liters would be 6'4 and 20.62" wide. although that isn't that long, it depends on how tall you are. I'm 5'8 and used to surf 6'4's long ago.
having said that, have you looked at the dom2? a 36L dom2 would be 6'1. several benefits to this 1) it's shorter 2) slightly wider = better grovel 3) less swing weight 4) wide point is moved back on top of it will naturally be further back since it is shorter than a 6'4 Inferno 72. the dom2 surfs shorter by about 1.5 to 2 inches. so it will feel like a 5'11. Just a thought. my all time favorite board is my Sharpeye inferno FT so far. i like it a tad more than the mashup. Mashup is a very close 2nd. so i'm not trying to steer you away from the inferno 72, but to me, I think in the liters you are looking to get, you might be better off on the dom2. Just another option. didn't mean to confuse the situation.
@@tanneddude8330 oh, almost forgot. I don't officially coach. Haven't really thought about it since my full time job and making youtube videos take up so much of my time. hard to add much more. but if you send me one clip with a specific intent, I can advise.
@@ThomyeSurfs great thanks Thomye again for the detailed reply! I did consider dominator 2 but the reviews for that is really mixed so I didnt really consider VS mashup and 72 are almost all positive review haha. but firewire has a board trial program at carlsbad so I might reach out! another thought of 72 is ever since Im surfing ive mostly been on firewires board (seaside and now mashup, both the wider shorter kinda board..) so I kinda want to try the some more traditional/longer shape...how can I send you clips Thomye? I followed you on inst, can I send there？ definitely appreciate all the help youve been giving me!!!
Im looking at a mashup! (6'0)
However im riding a 5'8 sweet potato 2.
How do you think these would go as a 2 board quiver for every day waves?
Is it worth having both?
TIA 🙏
I think that's a great 2 board combo. They are going to be very different too because of the width. You have the SP2 for waves that are smaller than waist high, soft, and/or crappy. If it gets a tad better from knee to chest high, the Mashup is perfect. Neither are going to be good though if it gets super punchy over chest high. You'll need to look into the Mid6 for that. LOL
Disclaimer, I'm not the best person to talk to if you are trying to avoid buying a board. LOL. I'm the guy that will talk you into 2 boards when you are trying to buy 1. haha Cheers brotha.
@ThomyeSurfs trust me I don't need any encouragement buying 2 boards haha.
Thanks for the reply 👍
Thanks Thomye. I'm in my late 50s and lifetime shortboarder. I now need something to get me into small waves the easiest, not so concerned about high performance. Would you say the Sunday or Seaside or Mashup is the best with that goal?
Sunday is basically a twin pin. on the shorter side, it is like a pudgy hypto krypto. On the bigger end, more of a cruiser but still pivots well. The Seaside is user friendly at almost any size. I surfed everything from the 5'2 all the way up to the 5'10. obviously the bigger you go the less maneuverable but still pretty loose and surprising. The mashup is good for better performance in the smaller waves or softer bigger waves but not as much performance as one would think. it has less tail rocker than the seaside so not as carvey. hard to describe. Seaside is the safest bet and one that a person would want in the quiver. you should also never let go of a performance board the seaside is a staple.
@@ThomyeSurfs Excellent, thanks so much. Really appreciate your videos.
@@mmcbride1 my last sentence didn't make sense. I meant to say, Seaside should always be in your quiver and although you should have a performance board in there as well, a performance board can be swapped out. At least until you hone in on your favorite. Mine so far is the Sharpeye FT so I'll likely keep that. I'm not very good at selling old boards so my collection keeps getting bigger and bigger. :( Running out of Garage space.
@@ThomyeSurfs Same, board collection is getting big, don't typically sell. However the Board Source bought my baked potato and I, in turn, bought a 5'10" Seaside. It's exactly the board I've been looking for. Took it out today, 3rd session on it, at Trestles and it's a gem. First session found I was over paddling. Once that was fixed I fell in love. Easy entry and surprising maneuverability. Thanks so much for the advice. This is the one for these tired old arms.
I have a seaside 5’3” at 28.2 L and i always feel like a 5’4” would surf better , bigger side but more liters could be a problem, and I thinking to get the mashup but I don’t know what size the 5’4” at 27.1 or 5’5” 28.7 , I usually ride 28L to 29L , what would you recommend??
i'm on the 5'3 seaside too. it is likely bigger than what i should ride but I also wanted it for surfing smaller waves. by smaller, i mean even smaller and softer than what it was designed for. The thing with the seaside is, because of it's design, it is deceptive. I feel like most other boards if it were that wide and that many liters, I would struggle. The seaside is so user friendly it also makes me think i need something bigger. as reference though, most of my other boards in that liter range are all 5'6 or 5'7.
the 5'4 Mashup to me even though it is only 1" longer, and the 1" is just a pointy nose, so basically the board is actually shorter if you compare the meaty parts.
you do lose 1L and 1" width so it won't plane as quickly or as easily, but it is very minimal. Also, the narrower and more parallel rail line as compared to the seaside, makes the Mashup feel tighter. The seaside feels like a loose squirrely board but with a ton of drive (which seems like an oxymoron) . The Mashup doesn't feel that loose. this is relative to the seaside. The mashup feels super loose relative to the SciFi2 or El Tomo Fish.
Anyways, I feel like I picked the correct Mashup, 5'4". but I'm 5'8 and 140lbs. I should probalby be on a 5'2 seaside for volume but I don't like the short railine.
depending on your height and stance, I would use that as your biggest factor. i have a medium stance which when surfing the mashup, makes the board look longer. if I had a wide stance or I was tall, I may have gone longer.
@@ThomyeSurfs yes you are right , I love the seaside in small waves , bigger waves chest high to over head , I feel is to loose to fast , and i was thing go little bit bigger on the mashup, that’s why I thought 5’5” at 28 L should be great , and I’m 5’6” , 165 lb and medium stance too so I guess 5’4” probably is the best option for the mashup
@@martinvelezmoro7250 yeah, i think if you want more performance, yes. if you want more paddle and performance is secondary, the 5'5 should be ok too. One thing for sure, the board is great because it is so familiar. Jumping on the dom2 felt a little odd and i had to get used to it. jumping on the nb3 was like taking up a new sport. jumping on this felt pretty natural.
@@ThomyeSurfs yep now make sense , I want more performance, than more volume to paddle , you are so right , thanks for the info and everything you do for us , all the reviews are a lot help 👍🏻👍🏻
I was thinking about a new board, this might be it. How would this be for someone who is 5"6 350lbs
I'm going to say no. not enough volume. consider the bean bag or Sweet Potato. You don't want to buy this board too long, definitely better options for that. You could also consider foiling.
I have to say Thomye you looked so fast
it felt fast. I don't have my first 3 days on film which were bigger head high days and standard waves. but I had so much speed, i could not even start a cutback. I'm certain Rob could have, LOL. also, some bottom turns were difficult to set rails on for a few of the 3' overhead waves. This board is best described as a small wave performer.
@@ThomyeSurfs you must’ve been breaking the sound barrier!
How does it paddle? Catching-waves? Compared to the seaside
comparing my 5'3 Sea to the 5'4 Mash, the sea is 1 L more but it is 1" wider which planes better. if you think about the skimboard, which probably has a volume of less than 3L, the guys that do it, they turn their boards where the nose and tail are to the side, essentially making it like 3" wide. but it is super fast. Width doesn't get mentioned enough. it is a huge factor for catching waves.
PADDLING - when paddling they are the same, although the seaside is 1L more, the mashup is narrow so i can dig deeper. The two offset each other. I cannot say one is better than the other.
CATCHING - the seaside being 1" wider, can get to planing speed a fraction of a second faster. So there is a difference and the seaside edges out the Mash but it's nothing that is noticeable on every wave, just on smaller or softer waves where you start paddling too early.
SURFING - the Mashup seems nimble and the seaside flows better. Hope that helps.
What fin system and fin sets did you use?
check the video I did right after this one. I did 4 sets and I talk about each of them. let me know what you think. the System is fcs though.
Which did you like better the Bobby quad or the mash up
it's a close one. I haven't surfed my Mashup in forever so I forgot how it even feels. I can only go off of how much I liked it at the time and footage. Having said that, if you told me I had to choose, I would give a very slight edge to the Mashup and here are the reasons why:
1. Helium construction - super durable. Barely pressures so every time you rewax, the board feels new.
2. More fin options - I say more and not better because the quad worked well. On the Mashup, I did settle on the 2+1 T. Knox tins, which I love.
3. Possible higher ceiling of performance. Slightly narrower tail but not narrow. Plenty of drive and also has a slight pulled in nose.
4. No office to Bobby but I like Kelly more. LOL this isn't really a factor but I like to support Kelly, Rob, Kalani (wish he had a board that wasn't a foamy).
The BQ was great too though. I would love both but somewhat redundant. :( Can't justify the spend especially since i have to keep trying out new boards for the channel.
I do love the spine-tek weight but it does pressure dent more than the helium. Personally, I think they should have dropped a 5th fin box just to see how it went. Bobby Pent instead of Bobby Quad. Anyways, I listed what seems like a lot in favor of the Mashup but at the end of the day, the BQ looked and felt really good on me so it was much closer decision than I can express on paper.
@@ThomyeSurfs wow thank you for the amazing response. I wish the Bobby had the 5 fin option as well, that’s a real let sone to be honest. Wish I could get your take on the No Brainer I feel like it’s a board that slipped under the radar. But I’m gonna give it another go in a couple of days. Your surfing in super small waves has me wanting to try harder so thank you for that
❤hi thomas!! I am currently 1.83 m tall and weigh 79/80 kg....
I'm currently using Sweet potato 5.6 and SEASIDE 5.9 and I'm really enjoying it... can I kindly ask you which size of MUSH UP do you recommend for me??
many thanks in advance! a hug
i just looked up the volume of the 2 boards you have and they both came in around 37L. One thing I would say is don't go taller than your own height on the Mashup. And from the looks of the volume on the Mashup, the 6' version is more liters than the seaside and the SP2. so, I would recommend going with the 5'10 and having the Mashup with a tad less liters than your Seaside and SP. You want to be able to move that thing around. If waves get soft, you have 2 really good choices to fall back on, Seaside and SP2. So, challenge yourself with the 35L 5'10". In fact, mathematically speaking, you riding the 5'8 would be the same as me riding my 5'4. You could stand to go with the 5'9 but i'm not exactly sure of the type of waves, your skill, or your fitness. I'm guess you are fit since your height to weight seems athletic. Anyways, hope that helps. just make sure not to go taller than the 5'10, don't go shorter than the 5'9.
@@ThomyeSurfs thank you very very much thomas!!❤️❤️you are a fantastic person!!!❤️❤️
Looking at getting my first shortbread, small mushy beqch break where I live but sometimes travel for some better waves but never more that head high, I weigh 165 lbs, would the 6’2 with 41.5L be to large? What kind of problems could I have with that? Considering the 6’0 with 38.5 but worried about going too small as I currently ride a 48L
any board can be ridden in any size. but you brought up a very good question, "what sort of problems could I have". at that length/liters, you are oversizing the mashup which for some boards work but others don't. in fact, the volume to weight ratio for you on the 6'1 is .251515. to give you an idea, I surf my mashup at .187586. I get this number by taking the volume divided by weight. Having said that, I personally like the Mashup because it is flatter and has a swallow making the board a bit tighter and drivey. My guess is, if you go bigger, the elements that I just mentioned get magnified. it will catch waves easily but it might be hard to turn in the pocket. Especially on smaller waves.
Anyways, what is the length of your current 48L board? Also, where would you put your skill level and fitness?
@@ThomyeSurfs my current board is a 6’6, I have had it for 3 years and learnt a lot on it but now I’m trying better waves and improving cutbacks and turns I find it very limiting , my skill I would say I’m between the beginner and intermediate stages and my fitness is probably just above average. I want a board I can progress on but without the frustration of downsizing too fast
@@haydnlainchbury5847 ok, thanks. that helps me understand what might work better. as mentioned, the longer you go on the mashup, the tighter it might seem. I would say, don't go any taller than the 6'. depending on your height, that board should be ridden shorter than your won height, but it doesn't mean it won't work if ridden taller. It will just be tight based on being a flatter board with a swallow tail. To loosen it up, you can ride it as a 2+1 or quad.
At your weight, don't be afraid to challenge yourself with 38L. To give you an idea, I learned on 28 and probably didn't surf anything over 30L for the first 10 years of surfing. Yes, more L would have put me on more waves but likely not much more L.
Anyways, stick with the 6' on the mashup and avoid going taller. Another good option is the Seaside, I think it is one of the most user friendly boards I have ever surfed. You can go with something like the 5'9.
Last point, remember to that when you buy a shorter board, the volume in question is now centered more directly under you. example, if you took a 40L board that was 8' vs one that was 5'8, the5'8 actually floats better because non of it will be sitting out of the water in front of you or behind you. I used to surf a 5'1 board at 29L which floated way better than a 5'8 31L board. it was also wider so caught waves way easier.
Hope some of this info helps. Again, at your weight and your skill level, my concern with downsizing too much would start around 32L. Should be fine at 38. Also, if the waves get smaller, you also have your old board. this is why a quiver is super important if you can afford it.
Cheers brotha. Good luck
@@ThomyeSurfs thanks a lot for the info, I will go for the mashup 6’0, I did look into the seaside too but I preferred the mashup as it seems a more versatile option with 5 fin boxes and less fishy shape, enjoyed your videos on both models
@@ThomyeSurfs I had an opportunity to try the mashup at a board demo, the 5'10 with 35.8L ended up being the favourite, they float way more than I was expecting. My 5'10 will be arriving next week
How do you feel the mash-up compares to the rocket wide..
I haven't had the opportunity to ride the R Wide. but if i had to guess based on specs, I would say the mashup has a better lower end (smaller softer wave) coverage while the R Wide might do better in punchier and bigger waves. The rocker on the Mashup is staged with a flat section to allow for better speed in smaller softer waves. the lack of tail rocker makes it harder to surf or not as easy as other boards with more tail rocker in punchier, steeper, bigger waves.
the mashup will tend to push water when you try and carve it while something like my hypto turns easier when i have more speed. but down the line speed is all Mashup., I swear it is the fastest board i have ever surfed.
Do you like the mashup or glazer better when it’s 4-5ft?
i havn'e surfed the mashup much in 4 to 5. based on everything I know of the board and the Glazer, I think the Mashup works better in 4 to 5 soft to medium waves while the glazer will perform a tad better in 4 to 5 steep punchier conditions. For sure the Mashup wins hands down smaller than 4 ft. Neither boards are great above 6' so not sure it makes sense to compare them in that range. Thanks for the question.
@@ThomyeSurfs Thanks for the reply. I was on the fence between the two but your review and feedback just helped me place my order for a mashup :). I'll let you know how it goes in overhead surf once we get some hurricane swell.
@@benjaminm5232 for sure let us know. congrats brotha. I get so stoked when people get new boards. haha
Just took it out in the Earl swell this morning and the board went insane. Waves were 4-5 with the occasional overhead wave and as someone who rides a seaside 99% of the time, this felt like a natural step up to the seaside. Took two overhead waves and the board was so much fun. The first one I was running the large neutral legacy template with 4.0 trailers and the speed and hold was really great but the tail just felt to lively for me to commit to any big turns. I got out and put in a large AM thruster and tried it again and it work beautifully to tame to the tail. I’m a big fan of quads but once it’s head high, a thruster set is the way to go. Looks like the swell will fade a little tomorrow and probably only be 3-4 so I’ll be back on the seaside. I could ride the mashup but I’m pretty sure I’ll be sore and a bit sluggish tomorrow morning after surfing my brains out today.
Mashup or Fishbeard as your favorite groveler now?
Mashup. not sure I would put them in the same bucket. close but the mashup is more versatile. it goes as a quad, thruster, twin, twin +1. The fishbeard is fun but it's either a loose twin or a drivey twin (upright vs keel). I like both but if I had to choose, mashup.
Windsurf boards have no tail rocker. If you can get hold of an old one that someone is throwing out, try it for a couple of surfs. You will hate it but you will be shocked how quick it is. Tail rocker effects speed more than any other factor.
I do wish I had youtube when I was younger. would have saved me from buying bad boards. hahah i think about all the boards I bought that were the opposite of what I was trying to achieve.
@@ThomyeSurfs I made surfboard for myself for 10-15 years. Making sailboards was the test. If you design windsurfers wrongly you get a buoyancy device. They just don't work however most shapes for surfboards work a bit. It's all about drag a energy of water separation.
A surfboard starts as a displacement hull and then becomes a hydroplane. Both must be optimised to get the best results. Then you have to make it turn.
You only have to look a foilers to see how ineffective surfboards are.
Is 4/6 ft waves in the small category?
that is about the middle of the small waves category in my opinion. But it is all relative I think. I used to think 6' waves were big 15 years ago. Now it feels small. This boards ability to manage wave sizes, all boards for that matter, definitely is based on the surfers' skill and what it is you are looking to do on the wave in my opinion.
This board can handle double overhead if you plan on facing down the line. surfing tight in the pocket in double overhead might be way more challenging. Lack of tail rocker makes this thing want to go fast and straighter on rail. but it's all relative. Rob seems to surf any and every board well in double overhead Seaside beach. haha
@@ThomyeSurfs I took mine in overhead Surf, and it went really well and fast as you say. Unfortunately, I’ve only served it once and it’s really hard to get off the seaside sometimes, but I will force myself and see if I can get this mashup board dialed in. Appreciate your response always.
Mashup has more or less nose and tail rocker than seaside?
laying them flat on the ground, a 5'4 Mashup compared to a 5'3 Seaside, the tail of the seaside sits about 1/4" higher than the Mashup. so I have to assume the seaside has more tail rocker The opposite is true for the nose but the the mashup is 1" longer so that might be just a smallest of flip in the nose. But they are very similar though.
From what noel says the chart is not accurate that's weird... also on the website it shows more rocker on the Mashup compared to the seaside ... also i heard it is great from 1-4ft
I'd imagine it all depends on which boards you compare. I compared the 5'3 Seaside 28.2L to the 5'4 Mashup 27.1L. wonder if you compared them by length it would be the other way. One thing about Dan Mann designs for sure is that he tends to have a massive flat section in the middle which is why are are fast in less than perfect conditions.
I have found other things to be off in my assessment of certain boards. Sometimes they will say wide point back from center and it is more front or centered. I think for me, all those stats and info is great as a starting point but you have to feel it and ride it to know for sure. But I do love my Mashup. Harder and harder to take out other boards. :(
@@ThomyeSurfs actually i just got one this week and surfed it today i can totally understand when you say it is harder to take other boards haha this thing is magic!
Maybe go over what fins you like.
next video. that might be a cheap one to do and even surf them on the same day.
El Tomo or the Mashup?
Mashup for most except rights. The ETF for me worked so good backing backside. also, when it get slightly punchier, i think ETF. The ETF was super stable, the Mashup is fast and feels a tad out of control, but controlling it makes the board so much more exciting. But to give you an idea, it is 7:30am and I'm about to hit the beach. I don't think I'm filming today cuz of soloshot issues. I'm taking the Mashup. :)